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]]> By: MissM’s Test Blog » Blog Archive » F.B.I. Is Seeking to Search Papers of Dead Reporter - New York Times http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-512574 MissM’s Test Blog » Blog Archive » F.B.I. Is Seeking to Search Papers of Dead Reporter - New York Times Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:37:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-512574 [...] As I was reading, I’m reminded of the stories of F.B.I. being overwhelmed by wild goose chases, as a result of the illegal eavesdropping, and how this fits in with the G.W.O.T.? Do you feel safer?? I sure don’t… UPDATE: According to TPMuckraker.com, they tried to trick Mrs. Anderson into giving them up, not the custodian of the documents, who is the son and lawyer mentioned above. What the papers didn’t report was the truly ugly extent to which the bureau has gone to achieve their goal — such as manipulating Anderson’s elderly widow to sign a document she apparently didn’t understand. [snip] Agent Martell and her partner came twice to meet with Olivia Anderson; on both occasions, Olivia’s daughter was present, although she was in and out of the meeting, caring for her children. Through Kevin, his sister says that at no time was she present when any consent form was discussed or signed, which leads the family to conclude the agents waited until they were alone with Olivia before presenting the document. [...] [...] As I was reading, I’m reminded of the stories of F.B.I. being overwhelmed by wild goose chases, as a result of the illegal eavesdropping, and how this fits in with the G.W.O.T.? Do you feel safer?? I sure don’t… UPDATE: According to TPMuckraker.com, they tried to trick Mrs. Anderson into giving them up, not the custodian of the documents, who is the son and lawyer mentioned above. What the papers didn’t report was the truly ugly extent to which the bureau has gone to achieve their goal — such as manipulating Anderson’s elderly widow to sign a document she apparently didn’t understand. [snip] Agent Martell and her partner came twice to meet with Olivia Anderson; on both occasions, Olivia’s daughter was present, although she was in and out of the meeting, caring for her children. Through Kevin, his sister says that at no time was she present when any consent form was discussed or signed, which leads the family to conclude the agents waited until they were alone with Olivia before presenting the document. [...]

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-411204 Michael Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:59:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-411204 #39 Amen brother. The trouble with the people here is they are absolutely convinced that they are right. They actually believe that if a person were truly open minded and thought for themselves, then they would arrive at the same conclusions that they do. It's simply inconceivable to them, that someone can be intelligent, fair-minded, handle information accurately and honestly, and have a different opinion than theirs. They just can't deal with that. In a nutshell--if you disagree with them, then you're stupid. If you believe in God and disagree with them, then you're evil and stupid. I quit trying to seriously engage them on any of the issues. The people here won't open their minds enough to even consider another point of view--all the while accusing you of the same. I come here for a good laugh as well, and to poke fun at their arrogance. Some of these people are completely unhinged--where else can you see that? Certainly not in my corner of the world. #39
Amen brother.
The trouble with the people here is they are absolutely convinced that they are right. They actually believe that if a person were truly open minded and thought for themselves, then they would arrive at the same conclusions that they do. It’s simply inconceivable to them, that someone can be intelligent, fair-minded, handle information accurately and honestly, and have a different opinion than theirs. They just can’t deal with that. In a nutshell–if you disagree with them, then you’re stupid. If you believe in God and disagree with them, then you’re evil and stupid.
I quit trying to seriously engage them on any of the issues. The people here won’t open their minds enough to even consider another point of view–all the while accusing you of the same. I come here for a good laugh as well, and to poke fun at their arrogance. Some of these people are completely unhinged–where else can you see that? Certainly not in my corner of the world.

]]> By: TheRef http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-410346 TheRef Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:06:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-410346 Losing Faith - Uhm, did you miss the part where I asked that very same question? Were you so anxious to condemn me that you didn't bother to read my post? I neither accepted criminal activity nor asked anyone else to do so. What I did was mention that while I personally find the legality questionable it is a fact that many other perfectly rational people feel differently. Isn't there supposed to be a "presumtion of innocence"? No charges have been filed, no trial has been held and no convictions handed out, therefore your certainty of "criminal activity" in what all experts agree is a murky area is, shall we say, extremely biased. I welcome an investigation so that the vast moderate majority (who according to polls slightly approve of the wiretaps) can have a resolution one way or the other. Extremists and partisans won't be convinced no matter the result so I don't really care what they say. Losing Faith – Uhm, did you miss the part where I asked that very same question? Were you so anxious to condemn me that you didn’t bother to read my post? I neither accepted criminal activity nor asked anyone else to do so. What I did was mention that while I personally find the legality questionable it is a fact that many other perfectly rational people feel differently. Isn’t there supposed to be a “presumtion of innocence”? No charges have been filed, no trial has been held and no convictions handed out, therefore your certainty of “criminal activity” in what all experts agree is a murky area is, shall we say, extremely biased. I welcome an investigation so that the vast moderate majority (who according to polls slightly approve of the wiretaps) can have a resolution one way or the other. Extremists and partisans won’t be convinced no matter the result so I don’t really care what they say.

]]> By: Losing Faith http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-408866 Losing Faith Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:40:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-408866 Ref, If you think asking people to accept the criminal activity of this "President" is "reasonable", it's no wonder you don't see how it relates to Hitler. You say Hitler and most people think of the ethnic scapegoating and genocide, but it's also about government abuse, corruption and misleading masses of people within a country. All things I believe very strongly this admin has had a hand in. Yet, regardless of the overwhleming mounds of evidence to support these "accusations", people like you continue to see NOTHING wrong with how this admin operates. I'm not saying Bush is Hitler or will become Hitler, I'm just saying this path can lead there. It's destroying our country. If these people that were spied on were ANY real threat, FISA would have granted warrants. Why weren't they requested? Ref,
If you think asking people to accept the criminal activity of this “President” is “reasonable”, it’s no wonder you don’t see how it relates to Hitler. You say Hitler and most people think of the ethnic scapegoating and genocide, but it’s also about government abuse, corruption and misleading masses of people within a country. All things I believe very strongly this admin has had a hand in. Yet, regardless of the overwhleming mounds of evidence to support these “accusations”, people like you continue to see NOTHING wrong with how this admin operates. I’m not saying Bush is Hitler or will become Hitler, I’m just saying this path can lead there. It’s destroying our country. If these people that were spied on were ANY real threat, FISA would have granted warrants. Why weren’t they requested?

]]> By: TheRef http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-407560 TheRef Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:37:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-407560 I was pretty sure, okay certain, I would be attacked for posting a very reasonable comment that at least partially covers the trade-offs of doing too much or not enough. I also asked what people consider a reasonable risk and brought up some of the issues faced by investigative services. Not one of you bothered to post a rational response or rebut a single line. Just inane or irrelevant comments and smears. I give you exhibits A, B & C: RightPunch - Where did the guns and murder stuff come from? It has nothing to do with the article or thread. Your post equates to the sky is blue because cars use gas. Totally incoherent! Good quote from Franklin though. I disagree with his conclusion since with a lack of security you have a lack of freedom but good job posting it. purvis ames - I expressed no fear (naked or otherwise) and did not argue for dismantling the Constitution. The legality of the wiretaps is most definitely unclear and I definitely stated that. What is pathetic is your tortured conclusion that I did based apparently on your poor reading skills. Losing Faith - You bring up Hitler? With that bad a view I hope you keep losing faith until you move elsewhere. We don't need you. Experiment over, Keep responding badly so I can go back to teasing and poking fun at the hysterical (in both senses of the word) posts. It keeps me laughing and after all, that's the best medicine. Comic relief is why I come here. I was pretty sure, okay certain, I would be attacked for posting a very reasonable comment that at least partially covers the trade-offs of doing too much or not enough. I also asked what people consider a reasonable risk and brought up some of the issues faced by investigative services. Not one of you bothered to post a rational response or rebut a single line. Just inane or irrelevant comments and smears. I give you exhibits A, B & C:

RightPunch – Where did the guns and murder stuff come from? It has nothing to do with the article or thread. Your post equates to the sky is blue because cars use gas. Totally incoherent! Good quote from Franklin though. I disagree with his conclusion since with a lack of security you have a lack of freedom but good job posting it.

purvis ames – I expressed no fear (naked or otherwise) and did not argue for dismantling the Constitution. The legality of the wiretaps is most definitely unclear and I definitely stated that. What is pathetic is your tortured conclusion that I did based apparently on your poor reading skills.

Losing Faith – You bring up Hitler? With that bad a view I hope you keep losing faith until you move elsewhere. We don’t need you.

Experiment over, Keep responding badly so I can go back to teasing and poking fun at the hysterical (in both senses of the word) posts. It keeps me laughing and after all, that’s the best medicine. Comic relief is why I come here.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-406445 Marie Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:43:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-406445 #37 Theologians. #37
Theologians.

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-406349 Michael Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:27:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-406349 #34 If you thought #32 was an excellent comeback, you're as equally intellectualy dishonest as he is. By the way...where did you get that warped understanding of taking Gods name in vain? Do you have some special insight or is that the gospel acoording to Marie? Stop being such a cheerleader for the hard left--it makes you look like a flake. #34
If you thought #32 was an excellent comeback, you’re as equally intellectualy dishonest as he is. By the way…where did you get that warped understanding of taking Gods name in vain?
Do you have some special insight or is that the gospel acoording to Marie? Stop being such a cheerleader for the hard left–it makes you look like a flake.

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-406335 Michael Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:19:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-406335 #32 runningdog Next time lift your leg when you pee--you went all over yourself. Am I supposed to be impressed because you dropped a couple of names in church history? Where in any of my comments did you see me say that I had COMPLETE understanding of who God is? Where did I say, that I alone have some understanding of who HE is? How could you even think that none of His followers could possibly know anything about Him? Do you have to work at mis-handling information this badly--or is this some special gift you have? Don't answer...you've already revealed your intellectual dishonesty with your "Bingo" comment. #32
runningdog
Next time lift your leg when you pee–you went all over yourself. Am I supposed to be impressed because you dropped a couple of names in church history? Where in any of my comments did you see me say that I had COMPLETE understanding of who God is? Where did I say, that I alone have some understanding of who HE is? How could you even think that none of His followers could possibly know anything about Him? Do you have to work at mis-handling information this badly–or is this some special gift you have? Don’t answer…you’ve already revealed your intellectual dishonesty with your “Bingo” comment.

]]> By: David http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-406161 David Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:09:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-406161 34- I am alwasy reminded of the scene in "Kingdom of Heaven," where the Knights Templar procalim, "God wills it," re going out and killing a good number of Muslims, and getting a good number of themselves slaughtered. 9/11 National Security God wills it Yeah, I got your GOP platform. 34- I am alwasy reminded of the scene in “Kingdom of Heaven,” where the Knights Templar procalim, “God wills it,” re going out and killing a good number of Muslims, and getting a good number of themselves slaughtered.

9/11
National Security
God wills it

Yeah, I got your GOP platform.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-406124 Marie Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:58:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-406124 #32 excellent comeback to the know it all. When God commanded men to not take his name in vain, he was not referring to "Jeezuz Christ!!" He was referring to those pompous and self righteous who believe they have direct communication from on high, and they mistakenly have the "right" to tell everyone else that they know God. #32 excellent comeback to the know it all.
When God commanded men to not take his name in vain, he was not referring to “Jeezuz Christ!!” He was referring to those pompous and self righteous who believe they have direct communication from on high, and they mistakenly have the “right” to tell everyone else that they know God.

]]> By: Bill Arnett http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405981 Bill Arnett Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:12:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405981 Whether congress can deal with Bushco's usurpation of our Constitution remains to be seen. Given Rethuglican control of the House of Unrepentant and the Seenot it is doubtful. I therefore have an idea for you: We know that the NSA is conducting an illegal operation to spy on Americans using sophisticated "recognition" software to lock onto calls or emails containing certain key words. Data mining. The only way any citizen can combat an illegal program such as this is by civil disobedience, SO IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL AMERICANS, COUNTRY-WIDE, BEGAN USING TRIGGER WORDS IN EVERY TELEPHONE CALL THEY MAKE OR RECEIVE? The system would soon be overwhelmed by far too many "hits" for them all (or perhaps ANY) of them to be further investigated, potentially destroying the usefulness of the illegal program. So what if every liberal blog, or any others believing Bushco has gone too far, asked ALL THE VISITORS to their site to include certain trigger words IN EVERY CONVERSATION THEY HAVE WITH ANYONE. You know, words like: Osama bin Laden, jihad, dirty bomb, nuclear material, anthrax, chemical weapons, Zarqawi, Allah akbar, infidels, Iran mullahs, and everything else the readers could come up with. Perhaps even run a contest for your readers to add to the probable list that would "flag" their number for further investigation. The sheer numbers, if we could pull this off, would render it impossible or impractical for the program to continue. I am sick of our Imperial President and his constant violations of the law and the erosion of my civil rights. It is time, in my opinion, to demonstrate to Bushco that this IS a government by, for, and of the People. This could perhaps be engineered into the greatest single act of civil disobedience in history. What do you think? Do we stand by and gripe, or do we take action? Whether congress can deal with Bushco’s usurpation of our Constitution remains to be seen. Given Rethuglican control of the House of Unrepentant and the Seenot it is doubtful.

I therefore have an idea for you: We know that the NSA is conducting an illegal operation to spy on Americans using sophisticated “recognition” software to lock onto calls or emails containing certain key words. Data mining.

The only way any citizen can combat an illegal program such as this is by civil disobedience, SO IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL AMERICANS, COUNTRY-WIDE, BEGAN USING TRIGGER WORDS IN EVERY TELEPHONE CALL THEY MAKE OR RECEIVE? The system would soon be overwhelmed by far too many “hits” for them all (or perhaps ANY) of them to be further investigated, potentially destroying the usefulness of the illegal program.

So what if every liberal blog, or any others believing Bushco has gone too far, asked ALL THE VISITORS to their site to include certain trigger words IN EVERY CONVERSATION THEY HAVE WITH ANYONE.

You know, words like: Osama bin Laden, jihad, dirty bomb, nuclear material, anthrax, chemical weapons, Zarqawi, Allah akbar, infidels, Iran mullahs, and everything else the readers could come up with. Perhaps even run a contest for your readers to add to the probable list that would “flag” their number for further investigation. The sheer numbers, if we could pull this off, would render it impossible or impractical for the program to continue.

I am sick of our Imperial President and his constant violations of the law and the erosion of my civil rights. It is time, in my opinion, to demonstrate to Bushco that this IS a government by, for, and of the People. This could perhaps be engineered into the greatest single act of civil disobedience in history.

What do you think? Do we stand by and gripe, or do we take action?

]]> By: RunningDogLackey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405900 RunningDogLackey Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:45:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405900 #29 "If Bush is guilty of even half of what the left accuse him of, then he’s the worst monster that ever walked the face of the earth." Bingo. #31 "You clearly have no understanding of who God is" Neither do you. Neither did Augustine. Neither did Thomas Aquinas. Neither does Bush. Neither does the Pope. Neither does Israel. Neither Iran. NOBODY does. So STFU and stop acting like you have some sort of special insight. #29 “If Bush is guilty of even half of what the left accuse him of, then he’s the worst monster that ever walked the face of the earth.”

Bingo.

#31 “You clearly have no understanding of who God is”

Neither do you. Neither did Augustine. Neither did Thomas Aquinas. Neither does Bush. Neither does the Pope. Neither does Israel. Neither Iran.

NOBODY does. So STFU and stop acting like you have some sort of special insight.

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405873 Michael Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:36:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405873 #30 You said-- Then act like it. Clearly you’re blind politically and religiously. Tell the people of New Orleans that God won’t let them down. Religious and dependence on a God to ’save you’ is a fantasy, grow up little boy, and stop believing in talking donkies, and realize your party is run by real ones. You clearly have no understanding of who God is, nor do you have a proper view of those who believe in Him. You can't see that He is all around you, yet you call me blind. It's funny how people like you insist that if bad things happen in the world, then God doesn't exist. You are so filled with pride and conceit that you simply cannot allow for anything to be bigger than yourself. You wrongly equate religious beliefs with ignorance, while assuming some imagined position of superiority, you actually think you have the right to tell me how to act. People like you are the first ones to say don't judge me, but I guess its ok for you to judge me. The humanistic doctrine you subscribe to makes you repulsive. #30

You said–
Then act like it. Clearly you’re blind politically and religiously. Tell the people of New Orleans that God won’t let them down. Religious and dependence on a God to ’save you’ is a fantasy, grow up little boy, and stop believing in talking donkies, and realize your party is run by real ones.

You clearly have no understanding of who God is, nor do you have a proper view of those who believe in Him. You can’t see that He is all around you, yet you call me blind. It’s funny how people like you insist that if bad things happen in the world, then God doesn’t exist. You are so filled with pride and conceit that you simply cannot allow for anything to be bigger than yourself. You wrongly equate religious beliefs with ignorance, while assuming some imagined position of superiority, you actually think you have the right to tell me how to act. People like you are the first ones to say don’t judge me, but I guess its ok for you to judge me. The humanistic doctrine you subscribe to makes you repulsive.

]]> By: RightPunch http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405423 RightPunch Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:21:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405423 <em>"You should be losing faith in the left in this country. All they do is attack, attack, attack. They are still bitter over losing the last two elections, and have been on their relentless attack Bush campaign ever since. Michael"</em> I guess you haven't been listening to Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity and OReilly - or heck even Delay for the last 10 years. No one hates, attacks and lies like the republican right. I feel sorry for you that you have so much hate and project that hate onto others. <em>"My interest is in the truth, and not in any blind devotion to a party or a politician like your interest seems to be. If you really want to have faith in something, then have faith in God, not man or country. He’s the only one who won’t let you down. Michael"</em> Then act like it. Clearly you're blind politically and religiously. Tell the people of New Orleans that God won't let them down. Religious and dependence on a God to 'save you' is a fantasy, grow up little boy, and stop believing in talking donkies, and realize your party is run by real ones. “You should be losing faith in the left in this country. All they do is attack, attack, attack. They are still bitter over losing the last two elections, and have been on their relentless attack Bush campaign ever since. Michael”

I guess you haven’t been listening to Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity and OReilly – or heck even Delay for the last 10 years. No one hates, attacks and lies like the republican right. I feel sorry for you that you have so much hate and project that hate onto others.

“My interest is in the truth, and not in any blind devotion to a party or a politician like your interest seems to be. If you really want to have faith in something, then have faith in God, not man or country. He’s the only one who won’t let you down. Michael”

Then act like it. Clearly you’re blind politically and religiously. Tell the people of New Orleans that God won’t let them down. Religious and dependence on a God to ’save you’ is a fantasy, grow up little boy, and stop believing in talking donkies, and realize your party is run by real ones.

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405170 Michael Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:36:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405170 Losing Faith, You should be losing faith in the left in this country. All they do is attack, attack, attack. They are still bitter over losing the last two elections, and have been on their relentless attack Bush campaign ever since. They offer nothing in the way of improving anything in this country, only objections to whatever Bush is doing. They throw a bunch of charges at the wall and hope they can make something stick, and you seem to believe all of it. If Bush is guilty of even half of what the left accuse him of, then he's the worst monster that ever walked the face of the earth. I'm sorry but that just doesn't fit. If he's guilty of something then fine, let's make him accountable--the same goes for any politician Republican or Democrat. My interest is in the truth, and not in any blind devotion to a party or a politician like your interest seems to be. If you really want to have faith in something, then have faith in God, not man or country. He's the only one who won't let you down. Losing Faith,

You should be losing faith in the left in this country.
All they do is attack, attack, attack. They are still bitter over losing the last two elections, and have been on their relentless attack Bush campaign ever since. They offer nothing in the way of improving anything in this country, only objections to whatever Bush is doing. They throw a bunch of charges at the wall and hope they can make something stick, and you seem to believe all of it. If Bush is guilty of even half of what the left accuse him of, then he’s the worst monster that ever walked the face of the earth. I’m sorry but that just doesn’t fit. If he’s guilty of something then fine, let’s make him accountable–the same goes for any politician Republican or Democrat. My interest is in the truth, and not in any blind devotion to a party or a politician like your interest seems to be. If you really want to have faith in something, then have faith in God, not man or country. He’s the only one who won’t let you down.

]]> By: Losing Faith http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-405039 Losing Faith Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:30:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-405039 Ref and Michael, You are the type of people that let Hitler grab all his power. I can't believe how blind you are. You are of the people that inspire my handle. People like you make me see how screwed we are in America. It's becoming ever so much more disheartening as every new injustice this Admin has instigated is exposed and people like you continue to find anyway you can to try and justify it. Why are you so afraid to understand the truth? It's an ominous situation and it threatens to swallow us all whole if we don't recognize it and do something about it. This country needs to be great again and be a leader in moving this world forward. Ref and Michael,
You are the type of people that let Hitler grab all his power. I can’t believe how blind you are. You are of the people that inspire my handle. People like you make me see how screwed we are in America. It’s becoming ever so much more disheartening as every new injustice this Admin has instigated is exposed and people like you continue to find anyway you can to try and justify it. Why are you so afraid to understand the truth? It’s an ominous situation and it threatens to swallow us all whole if we don’t recognize it and do something about it. This country needs to be great again and be a leader in moving this world forward.

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-404937 Michael Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:33:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-404937 #19 Here's some statistics for you... Every year-- Tobacco kills 435,000 people. Poor diet and physical inactivity kills 365,000 Alcohol kills 85,000 Motor vehicle crashes kill 26,347 Adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill 32,000 Incidents involving firearms kill 29,000 How convenient for you to take a swipe at the NRA and ignore the real killers in our society. To follow your twisted line of reason, it would make much more sense for Osama to invest in breweries and provide financial backing to the party of Ted 'hic' Kennedy. #19

Here’s some statistics for you…
Every year–
Tobacco kills 435,000 people.
Poor diet and physical inactivity kills 365,000
Alcohol kills 85,000
Motor vehicle crashes kill 26,347
Adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill 32,000
Incidents involving firearms kill 29,000

How convenient for you to take a swipe at the NRA and ignore the real killers in our society. To follow your twisted line of reason, it would make much more sense for Osama to invest in breweries and provide financial backing to the party of Ted ‘hic’ Kennedy.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-404822 big papa Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:14:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-404822 It clearly says that “virtually all” of the information led to dead ends. This means some did not. How many have to pan out to consider it a success? One in a hundred? A thousand? A million? It only a took a few people to conduct the 9/11 attacks or the Bali bombing or the Madrid bombings. Comment by TheRef #16 Hey Ref'use, "The politics of fear leads to the politics of destruction." Wake your scary as* up inbred... It clearly says that “virtually all” of the information led to dead ends. This means some did not. How many have to pan out to consider it a success? One in a hundred? A thousand? A million? It only a took a few people to conduct the 9/11 attacks or the Bali bombing or the Madrid bombings.

Comment by TheRef #16

Hey Ref’use,

“The politics of fear leads to the politics of destruction.”

Wake your scary as* up inbred…

]]> By: Mikmik http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-404816 Mikmik Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:11:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/16/the-real-impact-of-warrantless-domestic-wiretapping/#comment-404816 # 16: FYI President Bush has characterized the eavesdropping program, which focused on the international communications of some Americans and others in the United States, as a "vital tool" against terrorism; Vice President Dick Cheney has said it has saved "thousands of lives." But the results of the program looked very different to some officials charged with tracking terrorism in the United States. More than a dozen current and former law enforcement and counterterrorism officials, including some in the small circle who knew of the secret eavesdropping program and how it played out at the F.B.I., said the torrent of tips led them to few potential terrorists inside the country they did not know of from other sources and diverted agents from counterterrorism work they viewed as more productive. "We'd chase a number, find it's a school teacher with no indication they've ever been involved in international terrorism - case closed," said one former FBI official, who was aware of the program and the data it generated for the bureau. "After you get a thousand numbers and not one is turning up anything, you get some frustration." The law enforcement and counterterrorism officials said the program had uncovered no active Qaeda networks inside the United States planning attacks. "There were no imminent plots - not inside the United States," the former F.B.I. official said. <em>Get your info straight next time.</em> # 16: FYI

President Bush has characterized the eavesdropping program, which focused on the international communications of some Americans and others in the United States, as a “vital tool” against terrorism; Vice President Dick Cheney has said it has saved “thousands of lives.”

But the results of the program looked very different to some officials charged with tracking terrorism in the United States. More than a dozen current and former law enforcement and counterterrorism officials, including some in the small circle who knew of the secret eavesdropping program and how it played out at the F.B.I., said the torrent of tips led them to few potential terrorists inside the country they did not know of from other sources and diverted agents from counterterrorism work they viewed as more productive.

“We’d chase a number, find it’s a school teacher with no indication they’ve ever been involved in international terrorism – case closed,” said one former FBI official, who was aware of the program and the data it generated for the bureau. “After you get a thousand numbers and not one is turning up anything, you get some frustration.”

The law enforcement and counterterrorism officials said the program had uncovered no active Qaeda networks inside the United States planning attacks. “There were no imminent plots – not inside the United States,” the former F.B.I. official said.

Get your info straight next time.

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