Prodded by the right-wing, the media is already swarming around Sen. Hillary Clinton for saying the House of Representatives “has been run like a plantation…It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard.” MSNBC has already launched a poll: “Was Clinton’s ‘plantation’ comparison too harsh?”
How long before the media mentions that Newt Gingrich, just before becoming Speaker of the House, made the same comparison in 1994:
“I clearly fascinate them,” Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.” [Washington Post, 10/20/94]
Don’t hold your breath.
I think a point was being made that the comment by Clinton was made on MLK Day. Judd you are without a doubt one of the most dishonest types when it comes to selecting which portions of a story you choose to disclose.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:08 amHow am I hiding that yesterday was MLK Jr. day? I think that is pretty public.
So the principle here by the right-wing is that it’s OK to compare the House to a plantation (as Gingrich did) just not on MLK Jr. day?
Please explain.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:10 amno one cares what ga-newt say or thinks.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:10 amWe need a new Declaration of Independence.
Suggestion here: http://circus-minimus.blogspot.com/
January 17th, 2006 at 11:12 amShe should have chosen her words more carefully, not to say they aren’t 100% true. One party has held power for far too long, its time for divided government on behalf of the people.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:16 amAh, Newt. Where would we be without him (besides far better off). I am always amused by the fact that everyone else in Newt’s family (including his gay sister, Candace, who seems really nice, and his mother) pronounces their last name “Gingrick”. But when voters in Georgia started calling him “Gingrich” with the “ch” sound at the end, he just didn’t bother to correct them.
I don’t know what that really says about him, and I’m not implying that it is anything nefarious. I just thought it amusing. He’ll always be “Gingrick” to me.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:17 amLet’s see a plantation was usually run by an egomanical white man who suppressed any type of self thought, personal expression, dissention, ability to converse respectfully in an arguement……yep sounds pretty close to a Repug run Congress to me. Hopefully this Congress will go the way of plantation and disappear to the history books also.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:17 amI notice you provide no context for the Gingrich quote…was he speaking out in a public speech on MLK Day?
Or was he speaking just to the reporter?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:18 amnewt who ?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:20 amI clearly fascinate them,†Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.â€
funny that the SLAVES still get slave wages Newt. Of course you newt are one of those Bohemian club all male guys arent you? Running around with Deomcrats and republicans, sucking up to the big boys, for you are as Bush a Straw man Newt.
Fascinate? Pleez. Your about as ‘fascinating’ as Tom Delay.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:20 amIf by intense you mean your styel of eating one might agree for most unbalanced people are ‘intent’ because they are lost. So they speak of fascinations and self agrandizement. You Newt are just another lying congressman interested in puffing up your pathetic image. Go back to that rock from under which ye crawled.
“… a plantation was usually run by an egomanical white man who suppressed any type of self thought, personal expression, dissention, ability to converse respectfully in an arguement…”
Really? You’ve done research on this topic - “Personality Types of Ante-Bellum Plantation Owners”?
Or are you just regurgitating what your Sociology?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:22 amPsych 101? professor spits out?
Yet another Embarassment to the American People
January 17th, 2006 at 11:25 amNewt and Hillary should thus marry, perhaps two wrongs can make a right. Naw. Two Wrongs create more wrong.
The Empire of Hillary and Newt are crashing down around their feet for their words, and their ‘Self importance’ hast exposed them for what they truly are. Lost.
tomaig,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:27 amFirst I can say that I am writing my own opinion. But how would you describe pantation owners that forces other human beings to work as slaves and beat them at will. Humanitarians that were giving the chance for the poor people of Africa the chance to make it in the New World? Or do you have other opinions on this? Please lets talk.
Tomaig,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:29 amAre you going to debate or just spew out hateful attempts at insults. Just so you know, criticizing someone by accusing them of taking a college course really isn’t criticism at all. You may want to try something new and actually think before making an off the cuff response. It’s obvious, sir/madam, that you wear only short sleeves.
How am I hiding that yesterday was MLK Jr. day? I think that is pretty public.
So the principle here by the right-wing is that it’s OK to compare the House to a plantation (as Gingrich did) just not on MLK Jr. day?
Please explain.
Comment by Judd — January 17, 2006 @ 11:10 am
Said Republican Congressman Peter King, of Long Island, “It’s always wrong to play the race card for political gain by using a loaded word like plantation. But it is particularly wrong to do so on Martin Luther King Day.”
Judd the point is that Clinton is using the race card. This is the same individual who griped that no cameras would be present in Harlem so why would she want to go there.
It would have been honest on your part if with one sentence you included the comment that Republicans were accusing Clinton of using race on a day that pertains to race. Get it?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:29 amExpressions of mock outrage by the right never cease to amaze me. These hypocrites are fiercly against any notions of political correctness, and yet sensing an opportunity, they use political correctness as a vehicle to attack Democrats and act as if they are deeply personally offended. Its so transparent and yet the MSM falls for it every time.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:36 amSo on a day which celebrates a man who spent his life struggling against racism, it’s wrong to use language which acknowledges the existence of racism? I see. Tell us more!
January 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amSo what Senator Hillary Clinton used the word PLANTATION in reference to the Congress! Not the best word to describe it because nobody is a slave there > more like a good ole boy country club in the Senate > lol.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amBen,
Your boohooing is trite at best. Now, ms. clinton made a statement using powerful language that was completely appropriate and you’re crying “foul” because you are offended? No, you are crying foul because the language was powerful.
If it is too warm for you out here, perhaps you may want to go home to mother. Otherwise, what you should be asking is “what the fck is happening in congress?”
January 17th, 2006 at 11:40 amI think the Plantation owners voted for Bush, but you can check the electoral maps to verify which is really the “Party of Lincoln”
January 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amInteresting find Judd. That said, Hillary is running for President and race-baiting comments like this won’t fly.
Of course, she had to say something to compete with moonbat Gore. Pandering to folks like all of you is not an easy job. IT’s a real race of who can make the most hateful statement, but Gore has the edge.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amdid tetra just say anything at all or is that a trained monkey pounding a keyboard? Sorry, but I see no message.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:53 am#17 - Gary - Hillary is shameless and you know it. To most normal people, the GOP is not anymore racist than the Democrats. AND it is no secret that you have to hold the black man down to get their votes. The more middle class blacks you have, the less Democrats you have.
I can’t blame Hillary - the leaders in the black community eat it up and the voters buy it. But don’t you dare call me a racist because “I don’t care about you”. Hillary’s stunt is exhibit A why their is racism in this country.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:54 amI’m much more offended by Gingrich’s statement comparing himself and his cronies to slaves … the way he minimizes and pokes fun at slavery and the efforts of slaves to free themselves (not a particularly funny issue) is disgusting and shows a decided lack of sensitivity. So what if Clinton used the word “plantation” on MLK day - it was very effective and everyone in the room knew what she was talking about. Good for her! She has to start doing more of this.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:55 amTetra King,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:57 amAre you black? Are you a sanctioned representative of African Americans? Just what are your credentials?
I think the federal government’s response to the Katrina disaster is Exhibit A to Z on why THERE (notice the correct spelling) is racism in this country.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:58 amThe bigger story is that Hillary finally used some harsh language against the republicans. What has she been waiting for?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLet’s see which language should not be used:
Plantation
Or
Mushroom Cloud
I’ll take plantation any day, since it wasn’t used to start an illegal war.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:11 pmBen-At least Judd and the rest of Think Progress don’t resort to fabricating stories like the coward that sits in the white house. You know the guy I’m talking about…the one that sacrifices American lives on the basis of his lies and corruption. The one that would rather send other families children off to fight an illegal war yet shelters his own drunk daughters. The one that thinks he’s above the law and can impose his will on the world.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThe one that in 2006 will face impeachment hearings.
TetraQueen-I guess Exhibit A for the GOP being racist would be the disgraceful way bushy bungled New Orleans after the hurricane.
Go fight for YOUR corrupt leader if you support him so much. Or are you just all talk no action like the rest of your kind.
You are a cowardly little bitch dog that need to know your role and shut your yap.
Have a nice day pansy.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:16 pmIts hilarious that the people who would most likely take offense to Sen. Clinton’s remarks… DIDN’T. In fact, if you read the AP article, the only mention of a response from the mostly black audience was this:
“Her remarks were met with thunderous applause by a mostly black audience at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem.”
Granted, the “thunderous applause” appear to be in response to Clinton’s apology on behalf of the government for Katrina, but it’s safe to say that the mostly black audience responded favorably to the entire speech, inluding her “plantation” comment and her claim that this administration will be viewed as one of the worst in history.
But I guess tetra king’s sensibilities override the sensibilities of Clinton’s mostly black audience.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pmDebt,
It would be interesting to know how many sitting presidents who took us to war or who came to the presidency when we were in a war had any of their children fight in the same war. I’ll take a wild guess and say not many. Your argument is weak and has nothing to do with this war. There was nothing illegal about this war. The problem lies in the inability to see the bigger picture. Terrorism has and is out of control. Like many problems it had not gotten serious enough to cause any sufficient response to stop it. A decision by the US is take the threat of terrorism head on. The anti-war group thinks there is a peaceful solution. That’s the debate. Americans votes what they want. Last November they said what they wanted.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:27 pmIts hilarious that the people who would most likely take offense to Sen. Clinton’s remarks… DIDN’T. In fact, if you read the AP article, the only mention of a response from the mostly black audience was this:
“Her remarks were met with thunderous applause by a mostly black audience at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem.â€
Comment by Bandar Bush
The people who hold the meal ticket and the whip can say anything they want and get away with it. What are the slaves going to do, sass Massa?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI-RIGHT-I = head in the sand
January 17th, 2006 at 12:33 pmBen,
Your post #32 displays your total ignorance to american history. I can tell you each and every president who either had their skin in the game at one time or another, or had skin in the game when they were commanding our forces. And if you really want to go down this path, you will find that the bush administration is the most militarily inexperienced (cowardly) group that has ever governed.
Now, your fear of terrorism is YOUR fear. The world has always, throughout time, had dangers, and terrorism did not just rise up recently. What has benefited this great nation in the past is that the majority of americans were not cowardly in the face of danger and our principles and values were maintained and respected. Unfortunately, there are now a bunch of folks like you, Ben, who wet their pants every time bush raises the terror alert to a different color. You, Ben, would gladly surrender all of your liberties and freedoms for a life a servitude and false security.
Sir, you are a pathetic coward and a traitor to the ideals of this nation. I suggest that you read our history as it pertains to the lead up and execution of the revolutionary war. Perhaps such knowledge and exposure will cause your backbone to come into existence.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:39 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
It’s a little early in the morning for you to come slithering out from under your rock. This might explain your completely non-sensical post.
I would suggest that you go to that church in harlem where ms. clinton was speaking and tell all those good folks that they are a bunch of uncle toms and that they are acting like good slaves.
You speak neither for them, nor do you speak for humanity. Your hate and lies are only going to cause you to implode.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:44 pmOpt,
Do you see how sad you are? You make so many contradictary remarks in such few sentences. But I will just leave it with this. If you can’t see the difference in the dangerous possibities of today compared with the history of mankind then you are an extremely stupid individual. The danger level is world ending for just a few events. The world has never had this kind of exposure. But you go ahead and behave like the moron that you clearly are by using absolutely the most stupid yet predictable logic that you can muster. There is a good reason why your opinion is not the policy of this government. It’s because you’re just plain stupid.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:51 pmThunderous appluase for optimist in #35
January 17th, 2006 at 12:56 pmAside from being one of the most ridiculous and racist remarks I’ve seen here, who are you saying holds the meal ticket and the whip? The Dems? I think not. Are you kidding me? IRI, you are absolutely delusional. Those pictures of the Superdome after Katrina (3 days after Katrina, actually) are all anybody needs to see to realize who “holds the meal ticket and the whip”. Spare us your utter nonsense and fantasies.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:58 pmBen,
Young man, seems you were born after the cold war. I’m happy for you in that regard. You see, during that time, every day there were more nuclear missles than you have pubic hair pointing directly at us, and we had just as many pointing directly at them, and in any moment someone could have pushed a button that would have anihilated the planet.
Do you understand the scope of that young man? Fortunately, americans as a whole did not cower under this threat and we made certain that this country would survive and flourish, which it has until now.
What I want to know is, who raised all of these cowardly children that are running around today in fear of everything including their shadows? It’s a sad testament. Sad indeed.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmListening to Republicans like Peter King complain about “the race card” would be funny if it were not so sad. You guys started playing the race card back with Goldwater’s Southern Strategy, which was refined by Nixon and Reagan. The GOP welcomed the Southern Segregationist Dixiecrat crowd like Strom, Helms and Lott (to name just a few) with open arms and rewarded them with chairmenships and power in the GOP. You kicked out the moderates like Lowell Weicker. Remember Jesse’s “black hands” hands commercial with the voiceover “you needed that job” scapegoating African Americans?
Sound Familiar? Probably not. The GOP talks a good game, but that’s all it is TALK!
January 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#37, you must be too young to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Cold War … I think most people were pretty scared that the Russians were going to nuke us to high heaven. This is NOT the first time the world has had this kind of exposure. No one is minimizing the threat, but we have to be realistic about it and not allow fear to overwhelm us to the point where we give up our civil liberties in order to be “safe”. This administration counts on fear to consolidate power and pretty much do anything it pleases … some of us are not buying it and will do whatever it takes to stop this abuse of power and restore sanity and reason.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThe danger level is world ending for just a few events…BEN
Because Iraq is providing weapons of mass destruction to terrroists? Or because your the early trumpeter to invade Iran so you can continue your sick wet dream.Or just because you like war, admit it you love the idea of using our tanks and jets against innocent people. Admit it. Your tendency for conflict is one evident in the fact that you frequent a site with opposite views of yourown and proceed to incite arguments… just an observation
January 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#40 - Op, you beat me to it! :)
January 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWas it Trent Lott who praised Strom Thurmond, and regretted his loss as the Dixiecrat candidate who wanted to keep segregation?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pm“If you can’t see the difference in the dangerous possibities of today compared with the history of mankind then you are an extremely stupid individual. The danger level is world ending for just a few events. Ben”
Tell that to the 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And the real danger is from rightwing groups who want to bring an orwellian future of endless wars and constant oppression.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:07 pmOptimist,
Very true - Ben clearly has lost his courage and his mind like most of those who’ve drifted to the dark side. Feel pity for the lost souls who use religion as a crutch to not have to think and feel but instead to only fear.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:08 pmTo most normal people, the GOP is not anymore racist than the Democrats.
Where “normal people” is defined as those who listen to Fox “news” and believe that it really is fair and balanced.
AND it is no secret that you have to hold the black man down to get their votes.
Actually, it’s your party which holds them down, to keep them from voting, as we’ve seen in Florida and Ohio and has happened lack of God knows where else.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pmBen,
The exit polls showed Kerry won last November, whether the media admits it or not. Exit polls are used throughout the world to show whether elections are valid. No explanation has been given as to why they only supposedly turned out invalid in the two states that are big swing states in which Republicans had many ways in which to steal it for Bush.
You really need to stop believing the biased media’s fear mongering and right-wing propaganda. Also, the polls for the last several months have shown that the people have woken up and want the mean, dishonest GOP out of power. Mean, naive people like you are out of touch with mainstream America.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#47,
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” - Franklin D. Roosevelt
“I’m afraid of everything…(shiver)…what was that noise!?!” - Ben
January 17th, 2006 at 1:16 pmPeople are right about Ben and the Republicans- they are completely fear based and just want to give up all of their freedoms (or maybe just all of everyone else’s freedoms) because they are so irrationally scared of terrorists about to get them every minute, everyone’s a terrorist, etc.
Ben and the Republicans are just chickens. We are the brave ones, brave enough to live our lives and stay true to American values, while fighting terrorism and danger in a principled way.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:17 pmClinton’s remarks were made in front of a black audience on MLK Day, with Al Sharpton standing beside her. He endorsed her view, and even said it was his own.
*****
As for Sharpton, he jokingly suggested that Clinton, who many believe is eying a run for president in 2008, had stolen his material.
“Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decision - that’s tantamount to plantation,” Sharpton told reporters.
“I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the ‘04 elections,” added Sharpton, referring to his failed presidential run that year.
*****
That’s good enough for me, and who cares about Gingrich.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:31 pmAnd Newt’s not the only Republican to use the “liberal plantation” meme.
Okay, who here besides me remembers George Will and his conservative buddies inventing the mythical “liberal plantation” back in the 1990s? (Just Google GEORGE WILL LIBERAL PLANTATION — or click here.)
The right-wingers like Tomaig and his sock puppets on this thread are just whining because Hillary’s using Word Judo: Taking a favorite phrase of theirs and using it against them. Must really hurt to be subliterate and memory-challenged, GOPers.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pmTom, seriously, you’re a dumbass.
Opt, the cold war happened to have MAD working in it’s favor. Right now we have mad working against us. This enemy is not a nation. There are so many targets. But I tell you what you keep on with the “everyone is scared” line. The intelligent people accept the fact that we have to live side by side with people as ignorant as yourself. Maybe you and Tom can form a new party, The Principled Way. Yeah our enemies respect principals.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:34 pmTell that to the 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And the real danger is from rightwing groups who want to bring an orwellian future of endless wars and constant oppression.
Comment by RightPunch — January 17, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
So I do a google search…I get 2 hits.
And I have lost my way? Hey PunchDrunk, what are you psycho?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:37 pmBen,
Surrendering your principles means that the enemy has already won. I’m sorry that you are too ignorant to see that.
Fortunately, though, this country is full of principled individuals who are not afraid to carry the torch forward. Unfortunately, we have to continually step over all of the cowering traitors such as yourself who are dumbstruck with fear.
WAKE UP boy! Educate yourself! Stop playing your Xbox and start contributing.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pminterestlying enough when I did a google search of GEORGE WILL LIBERAL PLANTATION I got 420,000 returns not sure what criteria you used ben.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThis enemy is not a nation.
True. Our most dangerous enemy is a gang of individuals that took over the White House in 2000.
Yeah our enemies respect principals.
That must be why they refrain from blowing up high schools.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThat must be why they refrain from blowing up high schools.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — January 17, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
What is it Coo Coo Day?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:47 pmNo, it’s “The joke went over your head” day. But then, those goal posts are set pretty low.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:49 pmKraz, did you hear about 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’?
Somehow 20 million Russians and 6 million Jews is bigger story than 100 million native americans.
Come on Kraz, you know what I meant.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pmGood one, Gary! I’ve noticed that many trolls here don’t know how to spell. Now, I’m not trying to correlate spelling with intelligence and reason, but …
Ben, get a grip, will you? As Op said, educate yourself and stop drinking the KoolAid.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:51 pmTell me, if the Republican party is the plantation party, why are there not more African American congressmen from the democratic party? Do you guys have a glass ceiling? You’d think that the party that has 80-90% of African-Americans voting for them, would actually have more representation. As for the Republicans, you have more opportunity given the examples of Steele, Blackwell and Swann, not to mention Rice if she decides to run in ‘08, which I personally hope she does.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pmGary,
The “principals” joke made me laugh but the “goal posts” comment put me over the top! (pun fully intended)
LMAO!
January 17th, 2006 at 1:55 pmAs Don noted back in Comment #52:
Clinton’s remarks were made in front of a black audience on MLK Day, with Al Sharpton standing beside her. He endorsed her view, and even said it was his own.
*****
As for Sharpton, he jokingly suggested that Clinton, who many believe is eying a run for president in 2008, had stolen his material.
“Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decision - that’s tantamount to plantation,†Sharpton told reporters.
“I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the ‘04 elections,†added Sharpton, referring to his failed presidential run that year.
*****
And here’s the link:
Sharpton’s got Hillary’s back, laughs at Republicans
January 17th, 2006 at 1:55 pmPeriod,
Great joke! I think you should tell it to the folks down in New Orleans. I’m sure that they will see the humor and refrain from tar and feathering you.
And by the way, Condoleeza is so WHITE that her name should be rice! What’s that? It is Rice? Hmmm, whoda figured.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pmOMG, I just threw up in my louth a little.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThe “principals†joke made me laugh but the “goal posts†comment put me over the top! (pun fully intended)
Ben deserves the real credit. A comic is only as good as his material.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pmBen, why don’t you try googling “Native Americans Genocide” or “Native Americans Holocaust” and see what you get. The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives” is not a fallacy.
This from one of the websites:
January 17th, 2006 at 2:00 pm#66 & #67
You are both a bunch of racists! This is one of the reasons why your party has lost elections and why you will continue to lose elections. You want to suppress minorities not actually help them. If you actually helped them, they wouldn’t need you anymore and you know it. The welfare system your party so thoughtfully designed is nothing more than a modern day version of slavery and where is the affirmative action within your party?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pmdumbshitperiod,
their humor has race as part of it’s mirth. Your comments are crass and ugly. They use humor and you respond with vapid indignation. grow some balls guy abd use a screen-name.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:08 pmLet’s see who is oppressing the blacks in New Orleans right now.
This just in:
Breaking AP News
January 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pmvia San Francisco Chronicle
Sen. Landrieu Says Katrina Aid Not Enough
Carol that is just picking and choosing. So fi Stalin started with being reponsible for the deaths of 20 million Russians will his death toll climb to the trillions in 300 years? This is the kind of craziness that is so imbedded in places like this. Could have been this, could have been that. Well it wasn’t. Nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans.
Oh Gary, got me. Damn.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:12 pmBen, ever wonder as to why the mouthpieces for the bushco, inc. elude so much fear, it,s because Haskert, Delay, Blunt, Frist, McConnell, Santaurm, Lott, Rove, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kyl, Cox, Gingrich, Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Buchanan, Kristol;, Reed, Bolton, Schmitt, Abraham Ashcroft, and Cheny never served so they didn’t have the oppertuvity to gain the testicular fortitude that military service gives. I will give you McCain did and most honorably, not like GW in a rich boy can’t deploy NG unit. However Murtha, Gore, John Kerry, Bob Kerrt, Inouye, Rangle, Cleland, Peterson, Thompson, McBride, Glenn, Santos all served in combat as well as Bonier, Daschle, Kennedy, Harkin, Reed, Carter, wore the uniform, No wonder one side of the debate eludes so much fear.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:15 pmPeriod,
Interesting accusation followed up by blathering nonsense. In regard to your accusation, you proceed on an assumption that is a fool’s error to make. You should look me in the face before you call me a racist.
It’s funny how quickly certain people will play the racism card in an attempt to bolster their argument or further their agenda. Yet they have no actual care or sensitivity to the issue, which makes them guilty of an even more evil racism. It’s pitiful, really.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:18 pm“You are both a bunch of racists! This is one of the reasons why your party has lost elections and why you will continue to lose elections. You want to suppress minorities not actually help them. If you actually helped them, they wouldn’t need you anymore and you know it. Dot”
How is calling a black person white being racist? It sounded pretty inclusive to me - but then again racist republicans always are hard to understand, being so irrational and all. As for suppressing minorities, most blacks who have been raised out of poverty were done so by DEMOCRATIC presidents. Poverty among african american always increases under Republicans, and decreases under Democrats. So actually Democrats have tremendously helped African Americans, and that’s why Republicans like Bush have a 2% approval rating among them.
“The welfare system your party so thoughtfully designed is nothing more than a modern day version of slavery and where is the affirmative action within your party? .”
Slavery requires work, so isn’t it the Republicans who want to ‘require menial work’ for welfare the ones who qualify most for this tags. And the fact that African Americans leave the welfare system in droves under the economic abundance of Democratic Presidents, and get shoved back into poverty under Republican Presidents shouldn’t cloud your preconceptions.
As for affirmitive action within the party, when you have African American Congressmen and Senators (democrats have both, republicans neither), come talk to us. Until then republicans are all whites club in congress who have no basis to criticize others on affirmitive action. At least we have no problems voting for and electing african american candidates, even when they’re a minority of the the population. Clearly your ‘racism’ is a projection of your own internalized hatred. I forgive you of your sins child. Now be absolved, and go forth and act like an american who cares for all of its citizens, and not just the rich (mostly) white ones for a change.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBen,
January 17th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSo now your cause celebre is ending genocide? Excellent cause, I must say. There are a 100,000 plus dead Iraqis that would like to talk to you. They are wondering when you will take up their cause.
#66 & #67
You are both a bunch of racists!
Comment by .
Hey “menstrualc”,
“both a bunch”?
How the hel* does TWO of anything denote “large numbers” (a bunch)?
THAT’S why we keep losing elections, because the law allows idiot savants like yourself to vote…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“Carol that is just picking and choosing. So fi Stalin started with being reponsible for the deaths of 20 million Russians will his death toll climb to the trillions in 300 years? This is the kind of craziness that is so imbedded in places like this. Could have been this, could have been that. Well it wasn’t. Nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans. Oh Gary, got me. Damn. Ben “
Ben, you’re wrong.
American settlers sent diseased blankets to native americans in order to kill them off. Entire villages were systematically exterminated that resisted and fought back.
As for the 20 million figure on Stalin, that’s highly deceptive. Many of those who died, did so fighting the Nazis, and Hitler was more responsible for their deaths than Stalin was. They were in fact heroes of Russia, and not victims of Stalin. Others died of famine during the civil war that was happening. To attribute all of the deaths to Stalin that occurred as a result of natural disaster and a civil war is nonsense - yet it’s always what I hear from the most extreme elements of the rightwing reactionaries. Come on, be honest, do research, stop telling half truths and lies.
So the question is why must you lie in order to make a point, is that what they’re teaching republicans these days? Shame shame.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmAs for affirmitive action within the party, when you have African American Congressmen and Senators (democrats have both, republicans neither), come talk to us.
Comment by RightPunch
There’s several African/American/Negro/Black men I’d vote for but unfortunately they are making too much money and having too much fun in the private sector bashing losers like you. So, we are forced to take the best of who is left. They just HAPPEN to be white guys, or Hispanic guys, or Asian guys, but they are the best. We don’t hire your ass just because you’re black. You actually have to have something to offer other than filling a spot on the color wheel. That’s why we win. That’s why we’re better than you.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmUnfortunately, Ben, no one knows how many native americans died because there wasn’t a way of taking a census, now was there? The point is, you dismissed RightPunch’s argument by saying that you “Googled” and found nothing, so it must not have existed. The actual number is up for debate, not the fact that it occurred. It happened and your lack of search engine skills will not make it go away. And, by the way, the number is increasing all the time because archeologists frequently find new burial grounds and mass graves. Don’t make statements like “nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans” - you have no way of knowing that. And, according to your argument, somehow a lesser number makes it less important?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAs for the 20 million figure on Stalin, that’s highly deceptive. Many of those who died, did so fighting the Nazis, and Hitler was more responsible for their deaths than Stalin was. They were in fact heroes of Russia, and not victims of Stalin. Others died of famine during the civil war that was happening. To attribute all of the deaths to Stalin that occurred as a result of natural disaster and a civil war is nonsense - yet it’s always what I hear from the most extreme elements of the rightwing reactionaries. Come on, be honest, do research, stop telling half truths and lies.
So the question is why must you lie in order to make a point, is that what they’re teaching republicans these days? Shame shame.
Comment by RightPunch
I’ve read the people who HAVE done the research and the estimates of Stalin’s purges, Mao’s purges, Pot’s purges range from 40 million to 100 million. Hitler was a choir boy compared to your Marxists heroes. Liar.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
Your bigoted argument can be easily debunked with just two words: Michael Brown
You’re doin’ a heckuva job, trollie.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:30 pmHillary told it like it is, and these inbreds hate TRUTH worse than they hate miscegenation and integration…
I hope this is going to be the Democrats’ plan from now on, to use the language necessary to expose these filthy, infected inbreds for the purulent sputum they are…
Bushites HATE America, truth, justice, equality, integrity, honesty, and REAL spirituality…
They deserve no less than political extinction, and economic and personal ruin…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThere’s several African/American/Negro/Black men I’d vote for but…
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #80
…I’d have to keep my klan from lynching ‘em first…
…tha’s one reason we just can’t get our darkies elected in my district, hell we can’t keep ‘em alive long enough…
..otherwise, some of my best friends are Black…
Right IRI?
…if it helps I believe you…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#80 - “Right between the I’s” has already stated that the Republican party has no need for any diversity. They actively discourage any dissent, and anyone who doesn’t drink the kool-aid is attacked as less-than radical for ‘the cause’.
Basically, the Democratic party tries to achieve consensus by inviting multiple viewpoints and differing perspectives.
The Republican party dictates what their stance is, and you are given two options: agree with us completely and sell out your soul, or be labeled “un-American” and be vilified by .
The Republican party is the party of “You’re either a white Christian heterosexual male, or you are not acceptable”. Exclusion is its own reward.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pm“I’ve read the people who HAVE done the research and the estimates of Stalin’s purges, Mao’s purges, Pot’s purges range from 40 million to 100 million. Hitler was a choir boy compared to your Marxists heroes. Liar. I-RIGHT-I ”
I’m not defending any extremists, but you should really be honest and get your numbers right.
We were talking Stalin here, and the 20 million figure is a lie. Most who died under stalin died of disease and starvation - which has always been a problem for russia. So I-RIGHT-I, I know you’re afraid of the left, but your numbers are as wrong as your racist opinions in general. Whoever came up with 40 million fabricated the number. It’s just not true.
~1.3 million deaths have been attributed to Stalin purges and firing squads for the entire time he ruled - and that was during a revolution.
As for Mao, he became a revolutionary when Rightwing elements of the government began doing ‘purges’ in the city - ironic huh? That’s called getting what you put out - just remember that when you put hate out into the world. I forgive you of your ignorance and your hate - maybe someday you’ll learn to be honest, truthful and kind in the world, until then it will continue to hate you back.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pmIt’s one thing for Hillary to say something so stupid, petty, and idiotic as to make her look like a fool.
It’s something far worse for her to be imitating a right-wing dillhole.
How are we supposed to tell the difference anymore?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pmI-RIGHT-I, if you want to talk about millions of deaths in China, you should look just a few decades earlier.
Yes, the rightwinger caused more Chinese deaths than Mao did.
Get your facts straight there pumpkin, before you make those outrageous claims of yours. It just makes you look like an unhinged loonie.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmboth comments were a bit off color, but neither was really all that bad. this is just another media circus about nothing. the real story here is that Hillary lacks any meat to her assertions, so she resorts to sharpton-esque sensationalism. The christian right IS the majority in this country. You LOST IN 2004, grow up, and get over it. Do a better job in 2008, maybe GET A REAL CANDIDATE and you will have a better chance.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmFor those who don’t know it, the common statement from rightwingers is that communism killed between 40 million and 100 million people. They get that number because ~40 million people were killed by FAMINE in Russia and China during their rule. Next thing you know they’re gonna blame all of the deaths from the 1920s bird flu on the communists as well.
People dying from a natural disaster is quite different than putting them in Ovens - but rightwing zealots can’t seem to make that connection - and continually lie about history. I guess when history is your enemy, the best you can do is lie about it.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:47 pmThe christian right IS the majority in this country. You LOST IN 2004, grow up, and get over it. Do a better job in 2008, maybe GET A REAL CANDIDATE and you will have a better chance.
Still pretending the ‘00 and ‘04 elections weren’t stolen?
Give it up. You aren’t fooling anybody except maybe yourself.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWe were talking Stalin here, and the 20 million figure is a lie.
Comment by RightPunch
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
Since the fall of the Soviet Union a great deal is being discovered about the Marxist Utopia in Russia. The 20 million figure is not a lie but based on books by serious academics with supposedly no ax to grind. You losers have been apologizing and lying for Stalin and the other mass murders for decades but the truth is coming out.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pmGingrich is a bigot and a racist, so when he refers to PLANTATION, he means it in a nasty way, but Sen. Clinton uses the word completely different!
January 17th, 2006 at 2:52 pm“supposedly”
Next!
January 17th, 2006 at 2:55 pm“Since the fall of the Soviet Union a great deal is being discovered about the Marxist Utopia in Russia. The 20 million figure is not a lie but based on books by serious academics with supposedly no ax to grind. You losers have been apologizing and lying for Stalin and the other mass murders for decades but the truth is coming out. I-RIGHT-I”
Actually you’re wrong. Go do more research, and you’ll see that so far only 1.3 million deaths have been attributed specifically to purges, and executions. The rest came from civil war, famine and disease. And according to your ‘beliefs’ that means god killed those 20 million people, not Stalin.
You could just as easily blame those deaths on the Czars, and in fact more rightfully so.
You’re lying, and the facts don’t back you up. Even Rummel who was one of the most extreme calculator who said 50 million deaths occurred under stalin, virtually 100% of those deaths resulted from famine and only 3.3 million were actually deaths at the hands of Stalin. And he’s about as extreme in the calculation as they get.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pmted,
January 17th, 2006 at 3:00 pmIf the “christian right” is the majority. And the republicans are the party of the majority, as they claim. And republican are corrupt criminals, as all the indictments and scandals suggest. Then, is the christian right just a bunch of corrupt criminals?
#96 - If “Right between the I’s” is correct that the ‘left’ apologizes for Stalin, then that must mean that the ‘right’ apologizes for Hitler.
If Stalin is ‘left’ because of his Communist ideals, then that would make Hitler ‘right’ because of his fascist ideals.
It’s too bad that the people on the ‘right’ tend to ignore the conclusions of their statements when they ‘liberally’ paint their opposition with such wide brushes. It’s soon forgotten that the wide brush that paints their opponents does not discriminate when it’s used to paint them and their ilk.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:14 pmHow in the world did comments on the comparison to Clinton’s statement to Gingrich’s statement devolve into a “Name who killed the most people” contest…
?!
January 17th, 2006 at 3:16 pmmichael,
It is a typical Troll tactic.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#100 - I agree. If you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger or change the subject. Invoking Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot are more common tactic when they haven’t received their talking-points.
It’s a common tactic of the troll and radical-right wing freaks that are attracted to sites that debunk their lies and refuse to repeat their “spin” of the news unfavorable to their causes.
Too bad they refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions. So much for the party of “personal responsibility”.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:23 pmThe people who aren’t offended by this? The black population. The people who are? Old, fat, white men.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmWhat does that tell you?
Arguing over the internet, is like winning the special olympics.
Yes, you have won. But, you are still retarded!!
I see a lot of you blaming Bush, blaming this & blaming that. But, what you have you done personally to correct these so-called wrongs? Arguing about it does nothing. Get off your soap box, and get out there and do something that matters.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmMichael,
In my experience Republicans always serially complain and re-repeat their lies and misbeliefs. It stems from their childhoods where they ‘fantasy’ fairy tales of religion are repeated continually, even after they should have grown up and realized they’re no more real than santa claus and the tooth fairy. It doesn’t matter how much proof you offer someone who’s that much of a zealot, they generally don’t want to know, or understand that truth. The best you can hope for is to help dispell their lies who don’t know they’re lies yet, and hope that someone who’s not entirely shutdown can be reached.
Most folks on the rightwing, and especially the trolls, are driven by fear. Showing them they’re punching at shadows and lies is the only hope of reaching them in their irrational state. Generally folks like I-RIGHT-I are too far gone, but who knows, even he might grow up someday.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmYou left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Last time I checked, all of these negatives comments against the “whites-only” congress sound a lot like racism, too.
Nice job, hypocrites.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:33 pmYou left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Still pretending the ‘00 and ‘04 elections weren’t stolen?
Give it up. You aren’t fooling anybody except maybe yourself.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:36 pmIan,
Your insensitive assinine comment ranks you as one of the top ten a$$holes to ever surf the internet. Congratulations! You have won an all expense paid trip to Iraq.
Oh yeah, my friend here who is in a wheelchair asked me to tell you that he is sorry that he beat you so badly in the 100 meter dash. He tells me that he could have beaten you even worse but he was laughing so hard because he had never seen someone try to run when they have their head so far up their backside.
Dolt.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmFollow That Meme…
In fact, Think Progress has the 1994 quotes from Newt who said of congressional Democrats: “Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that IÂ’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion”
January 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmPot. Kettle. Black….
Hey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:38 pm“You left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Last time I checked, all of these negatives comments against the “whites-only†congress sound a lot like racism, too.
Nice job, hypocrites. Sam”
The mainstream polls in our favor, not yours. It’s why the majority of americans now KNOW that republicans are corrupt, and that they want a change in the direction of the government.
And if your idea of ‘equal’ is that only white people have the ‘merit’ to be in congress, it would explain why you virtually never elect anyone black - except black people who say that blacks don’t deserve equal protection. Even your republican buddy Arnold yesterday was quoted as saying
Maybe you wouldn’t sound so racist, if you actually stood for policies that supported all americans, not just the white ones that already have wealth, education and opportunity.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:40 pmOptimist, why don’t you follow your name’s sake.
But you know what, I don’t know your situation, so I’m not going to make any more negative comments about your view on life, liberties, or your pursuit of happiness by making useless assumptions about people on the internet.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:41 pm“Hey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections. Sam”
Who needs a conspiracy theory, when the proof is that more people voted for Gore than Bush. That’s a fact, not a ‘theory’. The ‘theory’ is that Bush won, when in fact he was ‘appointed’ by the supreme court.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:42 pmHey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections.
Um, the moon landings aren’t conspiracy theory. They were on TV and everything. Trust me on this one.
As for the elections, as I said, you aren’t fooling anybody. Your “president” came in as a criminal, and he’ll be going out the same way, hopefully soon.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:43 pmHey, you know something? I lived off of foodstamps for one year because of government programs instituted that devastated an entire region. Did you ever hear about it? No. Because it affected a primarily white region of farmers in Eastern North Carolina. You know what most of these farmers did? They went back to school, or adjusted and got off of the welfare system.
You didn’t hear us complaining on national media about how the government screwed us.
Now, I have a life to get back to.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:43 pmSam,
Why don’t you post more conspiracy theories like I-RIGHT-I that attributes famine deaths to communism. Or maybe ‘creationism’ as a science like Ben. It’s funny how you guys have no problems believing in fairy tales, yet you criticize hard numbers like election figures and polling results. You’re all such anti-intellectual elitists.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmIT’s a real race of who can make the most hateful statement,
And rounding the first corner, it’s Coulter by a nose, closely followed by Falafel, Hannity, Drug-Addled…
Oh yeah it’s a real race…
January 17th, 2006 at 3:45 pmSam,
I’m not really sure what you were attempting to say, but I am certain that you did not say it.
But, since you are up for a conversation and you seem to be supporting what Ian said, I would very much like to hear your argument in support of the premise that : The internet/blogs are for retards and retards are subhuman so I can invoke them when trying to insult people.
This should be interesting.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:46 pmOptimist
Insensitive? Maybe??? But, you get my point.
And as far as your comment about my free trip to Iraq. Thanks! Having returned from Afghanistan, where I gladly fought for your right to speak so freely. I would gladly accept another tour in the sand box, if my left hand was still attached to my wrist.
Anything else you’d like to say?
January 17th, 2006 at 3:47 pm“Hey, you know something? I lived off of foodstamps for one year because of government programs instituted that devastated an entire region. Did you ever hear about it? No. Because it affected a primarily white region of farmers in Eastern North Carolina. You know what most of these farmers did? They went back to school, or adjusted and got off of the welfare system. Sam”
So you have the government and democrats to thank for not starving to death. You’re welcome.
“You didn’t hear us complaining on national media about how the government screwed us. Sam”
I’m hearing it now, but I’m not hearing any thanks for the welfare that apparently you greatly benefitted from. Or the primary and secondary ‘education’ that left you both with a strong foundation and additional support necessary to help bootstrap yourself. So my question is why you would resist investing in that same level of education for all americans, not just ‘white’ ones?
“Now, I have a life to get back to. Sam”
That’s more than most of the black residents of New Orleans can say. And unlike you, many of them have issues with literacy, poverty, abuse, and any number of other issues that warrant the expense of more money and expertise to solve, not ‘less’ as is the proposal of republicans.
You’re welcome for all of the generosity that Democrats provided you - too bad you’re unwilling to offer us gratitude for helping you, and instead only have hateful things to say. It’s obvious your experience hasn’t taught you to appreciate kindness, and instead to simply offer hate and attitude to others who also need it. I challenge you to reexamine your life and your lessons, and to find the kindness and morality out of it that you’re so clearly missing.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:48 pmIan,
January 17th, 2006 at 3:48 pmSorry you got shot in the nose?
Ian,
Sorry about that comment, it was uncalled for.
Now, as far as being in Afghanistan to fight for my free speech, thank you. And you’re welcome, in return, for when I did it for you.
But, just as free speech is a right that we all enjoy, we are also responsible for what we say. The right and responsibility come hand in hand. So, if you want to make duragatory comments that are just plain stupid, then you have to be prepared to be challenged.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmPoint taken.
I have no problem accepting critisism for my “derogatory” statement.
Now back to my original question. What have/will you do to correct the so-called wrongs? Because, all I see is blame, and no action!!!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:06 pmIan,
Thanks for the spelling correction, I’m flying free-form today without the spell checker.
In regard to what I am doing, the answer is: everything within my power.
I am speaking with my elected representatives and senators. I am working to keep the “truth” visible. I am protesting an illegal and immoral invasion. I am not surrendering my freedoms and liberties to terrorist. I am holding my government accountable.
Now, that is what I am doing today. If tomorrow warrants different actions, I will undertake those proudly.
What about you?
January 17th, 2006 at 4:12 pm“Now back to my original question. What have/will you do to correct the so-called wrongs? Because, all I see is blame, and no action!!! Ian”
If all you get is mainstream/rightwing media, no wonder you don’t know about all of the proposals to fix this that republicans continually thwart.
To solve this you fund education fully for the poor, you fund social programs around childcare, nutrition, daycare, child rearing assistance, family counseling and any number of other programs that have proven effective when implemented by cities and local governments, but that never can gather enough funding because of those in government who’d rather buy a new tank.
This isn’t hard, except that it requires a government that’s committed to the cost of solving the issue more than one that focuses on its next war and next enemy.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#124
Also, what is the exit strategy for the war on poverty? It doesn’t sound like you have one or want one.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:27 pm“First I can say that I am writing my own opinion. But how would you describe pantation owners that forces other human beings to work as slaves and beat them at will. Humanitarians that were giving the chance for the poor people of Africa the chance to make it in the New World? Or do you have other opinions on this? Please lets talk.”
January 17th, 2006 at 4:34 pmSo, how would you describe the tribes of africa that kidnapped and sold weaker tribes to the rest of the world (South America got about 80% of the world slave trade … )- “humanitarians?” It amazes me how the US gets so much credit for inventing slavery, an institution that was around for centuries before the antebellum south. the south is the only culture where it’s not only stereotyped, but it’s actually encouraged to make fun of and stereotype it. Only about 3% of southerners even owned slaves, and more plantation owners treated their slaves as family, than those who “beat them at will.”
Hillary better get her own Senate in order first before she tackles the House of Representatives.
Is she still all talk an no action? We’ll find out very soon. So far, she has not come out in favor of an Alito filibuster.
If she doesn’t support a filibuster, it will be time to support another Democrat who really is a Democrat in her next NY Democratic Senate Primary.
Out with the big talking, no action, spineless, big business DLC DINOs!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmIn with the DNC Deansters!
“It amazes me how the US gets so much credit for inventing slavery, an institution that was around for centuries before the antebellum south. staci”
Who said that - it was you who made this assumption. The point isn’t whether we invented it, but what legacy it left, and how little we’ve done to rectify this legacy.
“Only about 3% of southerners even owned slaves, and
more plantation owners treated their slaves as family, than those who “beat them at will.†staci”
Do you often sell your family as property, force them to do manual labor, rape them, and make them live in rathole shacks? You have a different definition of ‘family’ than I do.
The legacy is ugly, stop trying to ‘pretty’ it up. It’s undignified.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI believe if my memory serves me correct…it was a Republican President (Lincoln), and a Republican lead Congress that freed the slaves and brought an end to the true “plantation” and slavery in general. The Democrats including current Sentator Robert Byrd(D), formerly of the KKK, tried to block the progress of de-segregation. I think the obvious difference in these two quotes is that although they were both speaking about the atmosphere of the House of Representatives in there time, Hillary was attempting to play the race card when she used the “plantation” comment to encite anger from African Americans on a day of celebration of the life of MLK Jr. Democrats repeatedly try to claim that the Republicans are segregationist, when in fact the Democrats are the ones trying to segregate the population with their hate speach!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pm#130
January 17th, 2006 at 5:03 pmWell said! Its obvious that Hillary is as desperate as the rest of her party with the loss of power. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Bush get about 15-16% of the African-American vote in the last election. As they build their affluence and enter more of the middle class, African-Americans are beginning to understand how the democratic party has used them over the years with scare tactics. They are discovering that Republicans not democrats offer them hope for a better life. People usually vote their pocketbooks come election time and its obvious that with the recent results, African-Americans are beginning to identify Republicans as their party of choice. Go Condi ‘08!
Damon,
Lincoln did free the slaves, and that was the last time republicans did anything responsible. The democrats were split on de-segregation, but it was democrats who implemented de-segregation, and not republicans. And the de-segregationists like Strom Thurmond left the democrats for the Republicans when the Democrats ‘did the right thing’, just as David Duke and the rest of the KKK did (they’re all republicans now).
Before you criticize the ‘past’, you should look at the ‘present’, and who your fellow Republicans are. And Bush only got 11% of the african american vote Damon, an appropriate figure, as that’s probably the number of ‘Condi’ types who’ve forgotten their responsiblity to their communities.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:12 pm“People usually vote their pocketbooks come election time and its obvious that with the recent results, African-Americans are beginning to identify Republicans as their party of choice. Go Condi ‘08! Randy”
Is that why Bush’s approval rating is 2% among african americans right now? You sure are optimistic in the face of overwhelming facts that disagree with you.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmRandy,
I’m sorry but I missed the day when African Americans elected you their spokeswoman. Oh, I know when it was! It was the day that I was rolling on the floor laughing in response to this:
“President Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
- Kayne West
Perhaps you should call Mr. West and interview him on his opinion of republicans. It may prove useful to you.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmOptimist,
These poor kids grow up believing in talking donkies and flat earth theories. No wonder they are so out of touch with reality. I feel so much pity for them, and their little worlds of fear and ignorance.
Randy, Damon, I forgive you for your hate and ignorance. It’s clear you don’t ‘mean’ to be that way, but circumstances have brought you there unwittingly. Open up your hearts, your minds and your capacity for compassion and learn what it means to be a caring american. You’ll benefit even more than america will from the experience.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:17 pmRightPunch,
Agreed. My goal is to open at least one set of eyes per day, and continue to learn in the process. May we all keep open minds and compassion in our hearts, it is the only win-win scenario.
With that said, I’m off. Peace all!
January 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pmRight Punch,
Apparently you think you are more intelligent than anyone else—an elite. You don’t know me, how do you know my compasion level? I will have you know that I have been on the front lines, my heart is open. Have you been to the coast of Miss. or to Louisana to help the those in need? I have, I spent over a week of my 10 vacation days I get every year working with compasion to help those in need. You don’t know me…I also spent the other 5 days in Jamaica working to help those impoverished, feeding the children, building a community center, and I even helped build a house. So before you go and “forgive [me] for [my] hate and ignorance.” Let me tell you that I am neither a bigot, nor a ignorant person sir. You need to come down off your high horse and realize that just because I am a Republican it doesn’t mean I am a bigot! This is exactly why the Democrats are losing at the election box!
January 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pm“Right Punch,
Apparently you think you are more intelligent than anyone else—an elite. You don’t know me, how do you know my compasion level? Damon”
Because of this comment.
“Democrats repeatedly try to claim that the Republicans are segregationist, when in fact the Democrats are the ones trying to segregate the population with their hate speach! Damon”
The fact is that republican policies today are very segregationist, clearly you haven’t spent much time in the south recently.
“I will have you know that I have been on the front lines, my heart is open. Have you been to the coast of Miss. or to Louisana to help the those in need? I have, I spent over a week of my 10 vacation days I get every year working with compasion to help those in need. Damon”
That’s super, now if you can get the rest of your party to believe that the Government can also play a role in helping poor people and not just Halliburton, we’ll be making progress.
“You don’t know me…I also spent the other 5 days in Jamaica working to help those impoverished, feeding the children, building a community center, and I even helped build a house. Damon”
And how many bibles did you pass out?
“So before you go and “forgive [me] for [my] hate and ignorance.†Let me tell you that I am neither a bigot, nor a ignorant person sir. You need to come down off your high horse and realize that just because I am a Republican it doesn’t mean I am a bigot! This is exactly why the Democrats are losing at the election box! Damon”
Your attack on Democrats, and exclusion of Republicans who are/were involved in se