FLASHBACK: Gingrich Said Democrats Think They “Run The Plantation”
FLASHBACK: Gingrich Said Democrats Think They “Run The Plantation”
Prodded by the right-wing, the media is already swarming around Sen. Hillary Clinton for saying the House of Representatives “has been run like a plantation…It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard.” MSNBC has already launched a poll: “Was Clinton’s ‘plantation’ comparison too harsh?”
How long before the media mentions that Newt Gingrich, just before becoming Speaker of the House, made the same comparison in 1994:
“I clearly fascinate them,” Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.” [Washington Post, 10/20/94]
Don’t hold your breath.
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I think a point was being made that the comment by Clinton was made on MLK Day. Judd you are without a doubt one of the most dishonest types when it comes to selecting which portions of a story you choose to disclose.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:08 amHow am I hiding that yesterday was MLK Jr. day? I think that is pretty public.
So the principle here by the right-wing is that it’s OK to compare the House to a plantation (as Gingrich did) just not on MLK Jr. day?
Please explain.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:10 amno one cares what ga-newt say or thinks.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:10 amWe need a new Declaration of Independence.
Suggestion here: http://circus-minimus.blogspot.com/
January 17th, 2006 at 11:12 amShe should have chosen her words more carefully, not to say they aren’t 100% true. One party has held power for far too long, its time for divided government on behalf of the people.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:16 amAh, Newt. Where would we be without him (besides far better off). I am always amused by the fact that everyone else in Newt’s family (including his gay sister, Candace, who seems really nice, and his mother) pronounces their last name “Gingrick”. But when voters in Georgia started calling him “Gingrich” with the “ch” sound at the end, he just didn’t bother to correct them.
I don’t know what that really says about him, and I’m not implying that it is anything nefarious. I just thought it amusing. He’ll always be “Gingrick” to me.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:17 amLet’s see a plantation was usually run by an egomanical white man who suppressed any type of self thought, personal expression, dissention, ability to converse respectfully in an arguement……yep sounds pretty close to a Repug run Congress to me. Hopefully this Congress will go the way of plantation and disappear to the history books also.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:17 amI notice you provide no context for the Gingrich quote…was he speaking out in a public speech on MLK Day?
Or was he speaking just to the reporter?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:18 amnewt who ?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:20 amI clearly fascinate them,†Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.â€
funny that the SLAVES still get slave wages Newt. Of course you newt are one of those Bohemian club all male guys arent you? Running around with Deomcrats and republicans, sucking up to the big boys, for you are as Bush a Straw man Newt.
Fascinate? Pleez. Your about as ‘fascinating’ as Tom Delay.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:20 amIf by intense you mean your styel of eating one might agree for most unbalanced people are ‘intent’ because they are lost. So they speak of fascinations and self agrandizement. You Newt are just another lying congressman interested in puffing up your pathetic image. Go back to that rock from under which ye crawled.
“… a plantation was usually run by an egomanical white man who suppressed any type of self thought, personal expression, dissention, ability to converse respectfully in an arguement…”
Really? You’ve done research on this topic – “Personality Types of Ante-Bellum Plantation Owners”?
Or are you just regurgitating what your Sociology?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:22 amPsych 101? professor spits out?
Yet another Embarassment to the American People
January 17th, 2006 at 11:25 amNewt and Hillary should thus marry, perhaps two wrongs can make a right. Naw. Two Wrongs create more wrong.
The Empire of Hillary and Newt are crashing down around their feet for their words, and their ‘Self importance’ hast exposed them for what they truly are. Lost.
tomaig,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:27 amFirst I can say that I am writing my own opinion. But how would you describe pantation owners that forces other human beings to work as slaves and beat them at will. Humanitarians that were giving the chance for the poor people of Africa the chance to make it in the New World? Or do you have other opinions on this? Please lets talk.
Tomaig,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:29 amAre you going to debate or just spew out hateful attempts at insults. Just so you know, criticizing someone by accusing them of taking a college course really isn’t criticism at all. You may want to try something new and actually think before making an off the cuff response. It’s obvious, sir/madam, that you wear only short sleeves.
How am I hiding that yesterday was MLK Jr. day? I think that is pretty public.
So the principle here by the right-wing is that it’s OK to compare the House to a plantation (as Gingrich did) just not on MLK Jr. day?
Please explain.
Comment by Judd — January 17, 2006 @ 11:10 am
Said Republican Congressman Peter King, of Long Island, “It’s always wrong to play the race card for political gain by using a loaded word like plantation. But it is particularly wrong to do so on Martin Luther King Day.”
Judd the point is that Clinton is using the race card. This is the same individual who griped that no cameras would be present in Harlem so why would she want to go there.
It would have been honest on your part if with one sentence you included the comment that Republicans were accusing Clinton of using race on a day that pertains to race. Get it?
January 17th, 2006 at 11:29 amExpressions of mock outrage by the right never cease to amaze me. These hypocrites are fiercly against any notions of political correctness, and yet sensing an opportunity, they use political correctness as a vehicle to attack Democrats and act as if they are deeply personally offended. Its so transparent and yet the MSM falls for it every time.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:36 amSo on a day which celebrates a man who spent his life struggling against racism, it’s wrong to use language which acknowledges the existence of racism? I see. Tell us more!
January 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amSo what Senator Hillary Clinton used the word PLANTATION in reference to the Congress! Not the best word to describe it because nobody is a slave there > more like a good ole boy country club in the Senate > lol.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amBen,
Your boohooing is trite at best. Now, ms. clinton made a statement using powerful language that was completely appropriate and you’re crying “foul” because you are offended? No, you are crying foul because the language was powerful.
If it is too warm for you out here, perhaps you may want to go home to mother. Otherwise, what you should be asking is “what the fck is happening in congress?”
January 17th, 2006 at 11:40 amI think the Plantation owners voted for Bush, but you can check the electoral maps to verify which is really the “Party of Lincoln”
January 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amInteresting find Judd. That said, Hillary is running for President and race-baiting comments like this won’t fly.
Of course, she had to say something to compete with moonbat Gore. Pandering to folks like all of you is not an easy job. IT’s a real race of who can make the most hateful statement, but Gore has the edge.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amdid tetra just say anything at all or is that a trained monkey pounding a keyboard? Sorry, but I see no message.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:53 am#17 – Gary – Hillary is shameless and you know it. To most normal people, the GOP is not anymore racist than the Democrats. AND it is no secret that you have to hold the black man down to get their votes. The more middle class blacks you have, the less Democrats you have.
I can’t blame Hillary – the leaders in the black community eat it up and the voters buy it. But don’t you dare call me a racist because “I don’t care about you”. Hillary’s stunt is exhibit A why their is racism in this country.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:54 amI’m much more offended by Gingrich’s statement comparing himself and his cronies to slaves … the way he minimizes and pokes fun at slavery and the efforts of slaves to free themselves (not a particularly funny issue) is disgusting and shows a decided lack of sensitivity. So what if Clinton used the word “plantation” on MLK day – it was very effective and everyone in the room knew what she was talking about. Good for her! She has to start doing more of this.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:55 amTetra King,
January 17th, 2006 at 11:57 amAre you black? Are you a sanctioned representative of African Americans? Just what are your credentials?
I think the federal government’s response to the Katrina disaster is Exhibit A to Z on why THERE (notice the correct spelling) is racism in this country.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:58 amThe bigger story is that Hillary finally used some harsh language against the republicans. What has she been waiting for?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLet’s see which language should not be used:
Plantation
Or
Mushroom Cloud
I’ll take plantation any day, since it wasn’t used to start an illegal war.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:11 pmBen-At least Judd and the rest of Think Progress don’t resort to fabricating stories like the coward that sits in the white house. You know the guy I’m talking about…the one that sacrifices American lives on the basis of his lies and corruption. The one that would rather send other families children off to fight an illegal war yet shelters his own drunk daughters. The one that thinks he’s above the law and can impose his will on the world.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThe one that in 2006 will face impeachment hearings.
TetraQueen-I guess Exhibit A for the GOP being racist would be the disgraceful way bushy bungled New Orleans after the hurricane.
Go fight for YOUR corrupt leader if you support him so much. Or are you just all talk no action like the rest of your kind.
You are a cowardly little bitch dog that need to know your role and shut your yap.
Have a nice day pansy.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:16 pmIts hilarious that the people who would most likely take offense to Sen. Clinton’s remarks… DIDN’T. In fact, if you read the AP article, the only mention of a response from the mostly black audience was this:
“Her remarks were met with thunderous applause by a mostly black audience at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem.”
Granted, the “thunderous applause” appear to be in response to Clinton’s apology on behalf of the government for Katrina, but it’s safe to say that the mostly black audience responded favorably to the entire speech, inluding her “plantation” comment and her claim that this administration will be viewed as one of the worst in history.
But I guess tetra king’s sensibilities override the sensibilities of Clinton’s mostly black audience.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pmDebt,
It would be interesting to know how many sitting presidents who took us to war or who came to the presidency when we were in a war had any of their children fight in the same war. I’ll take a wild guess and say not many. Your argument is weak and has nothing to do with this war. There was nothing illegal about this war. The problem lies in the inability to see the bigger picture. Terrorism has and is out of control. Like many problems it had not gotten serious enough to cause any sufficient response to stop it. A decision by the US is take the threat of terrorism head on. The anti-war group thinks there is a peaceful solution. That’s the debate. Americans votes what they want. Last November they said what they wanted.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:27 pmIts hilarious that the people who would most likely take offense to Sen. Clinton’s remarks… DIDN’T. In fact, if you read the AP article, the only mention of a response from the mostly black audience was this:
“Her remarks were met with thunderous applause by a mostly black audience at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem.â€
Comment by Bandar Bush
The people who hold the meal ticket and the whip can say anything they want and get away with it. What are the slaves going to do, sass Massa?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI-RIGHT-I = head in the sand
January 17th, 2006 at 12:33 pmBen,
Your post #32 displays your total ignorance to american history. I can tell you each and every president who either had their skin in the game at one time or another, or had skin in the game when they were commanding our forces. And if you really want to go down this path, you will find that the bush administration is the most militarily inexperienced (cowardly) group that has ever governed.
Now, your fear of terrorism is YOUR fear. The world has always, throughout time, had dangers, and terrorism did not just rise up recently. What has benefited this great nation in the past is that the majority of americans were not cowardly in the face of danger and our principles and values were maintained and respected. Unfortunately, there are now a bunch of folks like you, Ben, who wet their pants every time bush raises the terror alert to a different color. You, Ben, would gladly surrender all of your liberties and freedoms for a life a servitude and false security.
Sir, you are a pathetic coward and a traitor to the ideals of this nation. I suggest that you read our history as it pertains to the lead up and execution of the revolutionary war. Perhaps such knowledge and exposure will cause your backbone to come into existence.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:39 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
It’s a little early in the morning for you to come slithering out from under your rock. This might explain your completely non-sensical post.
I would suggest that you go to that church in harlem where ms. clinton was speaking and tell all those good folks that they are a bunch of uncle toms and that they are acting like good slaves.
You speak neither for them, nor do you speak for humanity. Your hate and lies are only going to cause you to implode.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:44 pmOpt,
Do you see how sad you are? You make so many contradictary remarks in such few sentences. But I will just leave it with this. If you can’t see the difference in the dangerous possibities of today compared with the history of mankind then you are an extremely stupid individual. The danger level is world ending for just a few events. The world has never had this kind of exposure. But you go ahead and behave like the moron that you clearly are by using absolutely the most stupid yet predictable logic that you can muster. There is a good reason why your opinion is not the policy of this government. It’s because you’re just plain stupid.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:51 pmThunderous appluase for optimist in #35
January 17th, 2006 at 12:56 pmAside from being one of the most ridiculous and racist remarks I’ve seen here, who are you saying holds the meal ticket and the whip? The Dems? I think not. Are you kidding me? IRI, you are absolutely delusional. Those pictures of the Superdome after Katrina (3 days after Katrina, actually) are all anybody needs to see to realize who “holds the meal ticket and the whip”. Spare us your utter nonsense and fantasies.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:58 pmBen,
Young man, seems you were born after the cold war. I’m happy for you in that regard. You see, during that time, every day there were more nuclear missles than you have pubic hair pointing directly at us, and we had just as many pointing directly at them, and in any moment someone could have pushed a button that would have anihilated the planet.
Do you understand the scope of that young man? Fortunately, americans as a whole did not cower under this threat and we made certain that this country would survive and flourish, which it has until now.
What I want to know is, who raised all of these cowardly children that are running around today in fear of everything including their shadows? It’s a sad testament. Sad indeed.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmListening to Republicans like Peter King complain about “the race card” would be funny if it were not so sad. You guys started playing the race card back with Goldwater’s Southern Strategy, which was refined by Nixon and Reagan. The GOP welcomed the Southern Segregationist Dixiecrat crowd like Strom, Helms and Lott (to name just a few) with open arms and rewarded them with chairmenships and power in the GOP. You kicked out the moderates like Lowell Weicker. Remember Jesse’s “black hands” hands commercial with the voiceover “you needed that job” scapegoating African Americans?
Sound Familiar? Probably not. The GOP talks a good game, but that’s all it is TALK!
January 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#37, you must be too young to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Cold War … I think most people were pretty scared that the Russians were going to nuke us to high heaven. This is NOT the first time the world has had this kind of exposure. No one is minimizing the threat, but we have to be realistic about it and not allow fear to overwhelm us to the point where we give up our civil liberties in order to be “safe”. This administration counts on fear to consolidate power and pretty much do anything it pleases … some of us are not buying it and will do whatever it takes to stop this abuse of power and restore sanity and reason.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThe danger level is world ending for just a few events…BEN
Because Iraq is providing weapons of mass destruction to terrroists? Or because your the early trumpeter to invade Iran so you can continue your sick wet dream.Or just because you like war, admit it you love the idea of using our tanks and jets against innocent people. Admit it. Your tendency for conflict is one evident in the fact that you frequent a site with opposite views of yourown and proceed to incite arguments… just an observation
January 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#40 – Op, you beat me to it! :)
January 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWas it Trent Lott who praised Strom Thurmond, and regretted his loss as the Dixiecrat candidate who wanted to keep segregation?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pm“If you can’t see the difference in the dangerous possibities of today compared with the history of mankind then you are an extremely stupid individual. The danger level is world ending for just a few events. Ben”
Tell that to the 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And the real danger is from rightwing groups who want to bring an orwellian future of endless wars and constant oppression.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:07 pmOptimist,
Very true – Ben clearly has lost his courage and his mind like most of those who’ve drifted to the dark side. Feel pity for the lost souls who use religion as a crutch to not have to think and feel but instead to only fear.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:08 pmTo most normal people, the GOP is not anymore racist than the Democrats.
Where “normal people” is defined as those who listen to Fox “news” and believe that it really is fair and balanced.
AND it is no secret that you have to hold the black man down to get their votes.
Actually, it’s your party which holds them down, to keep them from voting, as we’ve seen in Florida and Ohio and has happened lack of God knows where else.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pmBen,
The exit polls showed Kerry won last November, whether the media admits it or not. Exit polls are used throughout the world to show whether elections are valid. No explanation has been given as to why they only supposedly turned out invalid in the two states that are big swing states in which Republicans had many ways in which to steal it for Bush.
You really need to stop believing the biased media’s fear mongering and right-wing propaganda. Also, the polls for the last several months have shown that the people have woken up and want the mean, dishonest GOP out of power. Mean, naive people like you are out of touch with mainstream America.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#47,
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” – Franklin D. Roosevelt
“I’m afraid of everything…(shiver)…what was that noise!?!” – Ben
January 17th, 2006 at 1:16 pmPeople are right about Ben and the Republicans- they are completely fear based and just want to give up all of their freedoms (or maybe just all of everyone else’s freedoms) because they are so irrationally scared of terrorists about to get them every minute, everyone’s a terrorist, etc.
Ben and the Republicans are just chickens. We are the brave ones, brave enough to live our lives and stay true to American values, while fighting terrorism and danger in a principled way.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:17 pmClinton’s remarks were made in front of a black audience on MLK Day, with Al Sharpton standing beside her. He endorsed her view, and even said it was his own.
*****
As for Sharpton, he jokingly suggested that Clinton, who many believe is eying a run for president in 2008, had stolen his material.
“Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decision – that’s tantamount to plantation,” Sharpton told reporters.
“I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the ‘04 elections,” added Sharpton, referring to his failed presidential run that year.
*****
That’s good enough for me, and who cares about Gingrich.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:31 pmAnd Newt’s not the only Republican to use the “liberal plantation” meme.
Okay, who here besides me remembers George Will and his conservative buddies inventing the mythical “liberal plantation” back in the 1990s? (Just Google GEORGE WILL LIBERAL PLANTATION — or click here.)
The right-wingers like Tomaig and his sock puppets on this thread are just whining because Hillary’s using Word Judo: Taking a favorite phrase of theirs and using it against them. Must really hurt to be subliterate and memory-challenged, GOPers.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pmTom, seriously, you’re a dumbass.
Opt, the cold war happened to have MAD working in it’s favor. Right now we have mad working against us. This enemy is not a nation. There are so many targets. But I tell you what you keep on with the “everyone is scared” line. The intelligent people accept the fact that we have to live side by side with people as ignorant as yourself. Maybe you and Tom can form a new party, The Principled Way. Yeah our enemies respect principals.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:34 pmTell that to the 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And the real danger is from rightwing groups who want to bring an orwellian future of endless wars and constant oppression.
Comment by RightPunch — January 17, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
So I do a google search…I get 2 hits.
And I have lost my way? Hey PunchDrunk, what are you psycho?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:37 pmBen,
Surrendering your principles means that the enemy has already won. I’m sorry that you are too ignorant to see that.
Fortunately, though, this country is full of principled individuals who are not afraid to carry the torch forward. Unfortunately, we have to continually step over all of the cowering traitors such as yourself who are dumbstruck with fear.
WAKE UP boy! Educate yourself! Stop playing your Xbox and start contributing.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pminterestlying enough when I did a google search of GEORGE WILL LIBERAL PLANTATION I got 420,000 returns not sure what criteria you used ben.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThis enemy is not a nation.
True. Our most dangerous enemy is a gang of individuals that took over the White House in 2000.
Yeah our enemies respect principals.
That must be why they refrain from blowing up high schools.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThat must be why they refrain from blowing up high schools.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — January 17, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
What is it Coo Coo Day?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:47 pmNo, it’s “The joke went over your head” day. But then, those goal posts are set pretty low.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:49 pmKraz, did you hear about 100 million dead native americans who were killed from ‘biological warfare’?
Somehow 20 million Russians and 6 million Jews is bigger story than 100 million native americans.
Come on Kraz, you know what I meant.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pmGood one, Gary! I’ve noticed that many trolls here don’t know how to spell. Now, I’m not trying to correlate spelling with intelligence and reason, but …
Ben, get a grip, will you? As Op said, educate yourself and stop drinking the KoolAid.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:51 pmTell me, if the Republican party is the plantation party, why are there not more African American congressmen from the democratic party? Do you guys have a glass ceiling? You’d think that the party that has 80-90% of African-Americans voting for them, would actually have more representation. As for the Republicans, you have more opportunity given the examples of Steele, Blackwell and Swann, not to mention Rice if she decides to run in ‘08, which I personally hope she does.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pmGary,
The “principals” joke made me laugh but the “goal posts” comment put me over the top! (pun fully intended)
LMAO!
January 17th, 2006 at 1:55 pmAs Don noted back in Comment #52:
Clinton’s remarks were made in front of a black audience on MLK Day, with Al Sharpton standing beside her. He endorsed her view, and even said it was his own.
*****
As for Sharpton, he jokingly suggested that Clinton, who many believe is eying a run for president in 2008, had stolen his material.
“Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decision – that’s tantamount to plantation,†Sharpton told reporters.
“I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the ‘04 elections,†added Sharpton, referring to his failed presidential run that year.
*****
And here’s the link:
Sharpton’s got Hillary’s back, laughs at Republicans
January 17th, 2006 at 1:55 pmPeriod,
Great joke! I think you should tell it to the folks down in New Orleans. I’m sure that they will see the humor and refrain from tar and feathering you.
And by the way, Condoleeza is so WHITE that her name should be rice! What’s that? It is Rice? Hmmm, whoda figured.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pmOMG, I just threw up in my louth a little.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThe “principals†joke made me laugh but the “goal posts†comment put me over the top! (pun fully intended)
Ben deserves the real credit. A comic is only as good as his material.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pmBen, why don’t you try googling “Native Americans Genocide” or “Native Americans Holocaust” and see what you get. The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives” is not a fallacy.
This from one of the websites:
January 17th, 2006 at 2:00 pm
#66 & #67
You are both a bunch of racists! This is one of the reasons why your party has lost elections and why you will continue to lose elections. You want to suppress minorities not actually help them. If you actually helped them, they wouldn’t need you anymore and you know it. The welfare system your party so thoughtfully designed is nothing more than a modern day version of slavery and where is the affirmative action within your party?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pmdumbshitperiod,
their humor has race as part of it’s mirth. Your comments are crass and ugly. They use humor and you respond with vapid indignation. grow some balls guy abd use a screen-name.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:08 pmLet’s see who is oppressing the blacks in New Orleans right now.
This just in:
Breaking AP News
via San Francisco Chronicle
Sen. Landrieu Says Katrina Aid Not Enough
January 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Carol that is just picking and choosing. So fi Stalin started with being reponsible for the deaths of 20 million Russians will his death toll climb to the trillions in 300 years? This is the kind of craziness that is so imbedded in places like this. Could have been this, could have been that. Well it wasn’t. Nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans.
Oh Gary, got me. Damn.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:12 pmBen, ever wonder as to why the mouthpieces for the bushco, inc. elude so much fear, it,s because Haskert, Delay, Blunt, Frist, McConnell, Santaurm, Lott, Rove, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kyl, Cox, Gingrich, Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Buchanan, Kristol;, Reed, Bolton, Schmitt, Abraham Ashcroft, and Cheny never served so they didn’t have the oppertuvity to gain the testicular fortitude that military service gives. I will give you McCain did and most honorably, not like GW in a rich boy can’t deploy NG unit. However Murtha, Gore, John Kerry, Bob Kerrt, Inouye, Rangle, Cleland, Peterson, Thompson, McBride, Glenn, Santos all served in combat as well as Bonier, Daschle, Kennedy, Harkin, Reed, Carter, wore the uniform, No wonder one side of the debate eludes so much fear.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:15 pmPeriod,
Interesting accusation followed up by blathering nonsense. In regard to your accusation, you proceed on an assumption that is a fool’s error to make. You should look me in the face before you call me a racist.
It’s funny how quickly certain people will play the racism card in an attempt to bolster their argument or further their agenda. Yet they have no actual care or sensitivity to the issue, which makes them guilty of an even more evil racism. It’s pitiful, really.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:18 pm“You are both a bunch of racists! This is one of the reasons why your party has lost elections and why you will continue to lose elections. You want to suppress minorities not actually help them. If you actually helped them, they wouldn’t need you anymore and you know it. Dot”
How is calling a black person white being racist? It sounded pretty inclusive to me – but then again racist republicans always are hard to understand, being so irrational and all. As for suppressing minorities, most blacks who have been raised out of poverty were done so by DEMOCRATIC presidents. Poverty among african american always increases under Republicans, and decreases under Democrats. So actually Democrats have tremendously helped African Americans, and that’s why Republicans like Bush have a 2% approval rating among them.
“The welfare system your party so thoughtfully designed is nothing more than a modern day version of slavery and where is the affirmative action within your party? .”
Slavery requires work, so isn’t it the Republicans who want to ‘require menial work’ for welfare the ones who qualify most for this tags. And the fact that African Americans leave the welfare system in droves under the economic abundance of Democratic Presidents, and get shoved back into poverty under Republican Presidents shouldn’t cloud your preconceptions.
As for affirmitive action within the party, when you have African American Congressmen and Senators (democrats have both, republicans neither), come talk to us. Until then republicans are all whites club in congress who have no basis to criticize others on affirmitive action. At least we have no problems voting for and electing african american candidates, even when they’re a minority of the the population. Clearly your ‘racism’ is a projection of your own internalized hatred. I forgive you of your sins child. Now be absolved, and go forth and act like an american who cares for all of its citizens, and not just the rich (mostly) white ones for a change.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBen,
January 17th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSo now your cause celebre is ending genocide? Excellent cause, I must say. There are a 100,000 plus dead Iraqis that would like to talk to you. They are wondering when you will take up their cause.
#66 & #67
You are both a bunch of racists!
Comment by .
Hey “menstrualc”,
“both a bunch”?
How the hel* does TWO of anything denote “large numbers” (a bunch)?
THAT’S why we keep losing elections, because the law allows idiot savants like yourself to vote…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“Carol that is just picking and choosing. So fi Stalin started with being reponsible for the deaths of 20 million Russians will his death toll climb to the trillions in 300 years? This is the kind of craziness that is so imbedded in places like this. Could have been this, could have been that. Well it wasn’t. Nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans. Oh Gary, got me. Damn. Ben “
Ben, you’re wrong.
American settlers sent diseased blankets to native americans in order to kill them off. Entire villages were systematically exterminated that resisted and fought back.
As for the 20 million figure on Stalin, that’s highly deceptive. Many of those who died, did so fighting the Nazis, and Hitler was more responsible for their deaths than Stalin was. They were in fact heroes of Russia, and not victims of Stalin. Others died of famine during the civil war that was happening. To attribute all of the deaths to Stalin that occurred as a result of natural disaster and a civil war is nonsense – yet it’s always what I hear from the most extreme elements of the rightwing reactionaries. Come on, be honest, do research, stop telling half truths and lies.
So the question is why must you lie in order to make a point, is that what they’re teaching republicans these days? Shame shame.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmAs for affirmitive action within the party, when you have African American Congressmen and Senators (democrats have both, republicans neither), come talk to us.
Comment by RightPunch
There’s several African/American/Negro/Black men I’d vote for but unfortunately they are making too much money and having too much fun in the private sector bashing losers like you. So, we are forced to take the best of who is left. They just HAPPEN to be white guys, or Hispanic guys, or Asian guys, but they are the best. We don’t hire your ass just because you’re black. You actually have to have something to offer other than filling a spot on the color wheel. That’s why we win. That’s why we’re better than you.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmUnfortunately, Ben, no one knows how many native americans died because there wasn’t a way of taking a census, now was there? The point is, you dismissed RightPunch’s argument by saying that you “Googled” and found nothing, so it must not have existed. The actual number is up for debate, not the fact that it occurred. It happened and your lack of search engine skills will not make it go away. And, by the way, the number is increasing all the time because archeologists frequently find new burial grounds and mass graves. Don’t make statements like “nobody came in and killed 100 million native americans” – you have no way of knowing that. And, according to your argument, somehow a lesser number makes it less important?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAs for the 20 million figure on Stalin, that’s highly deceptive. Many of those who died, did so fighting the Nazis, and Hitler was more responsible for their deaths than Stalin was. They were in fact heroes of Russia, and not victims of Stalin. Others died of famine during the civil war that was happening. To attribute all of the deaths to Stalin that occurred as a result of natural disaster and a civil war is nonsense – yet it’s always what I hear from the most extreme elements of the rightwing reactionaries. Come on, be honest, do research, stop telling half truths and lies.
So the question is why must you lie in order to make a point, is that what they’re teaching republicans these days? Shame shame.
Comment by RightPunch
I’ve read the people who HAVE done the research and the estimates of Stalin’s purges, Mao’s purges, Pot’s purges range from 40 million to 100 million. Hitler was a choir boy compared to your Marxists heroes. Liar.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
Your bigoted argument can be easily debunked with just two words: Michael Brown
You’re doin’ a heckuva job, trollie.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:30 pmHillary told it like it is, and these inbreds hate TRUTH worse than they hate miscegenation and integration…
I hope this is going to be the Democrats’ plan from now on, to use the language necessary to expose these filthy, infected inbreds for the purulent sputum they are…
Bushites HATE America, truth, justice, equality, integrity, honesty, and REAL spirituality…
They deserve no less than political extinction, and economic and personal ruin…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThere’s several African/American/Negro/Black men I’d vote for but…
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #80
…I’d have to keep my klan from lynching ‘em first…
…tha’s one reason we just can’t get our darkies elected in my district, hell we can’t keep ‘em alive long enough…
..otherwise, some of my best friends are Black…
Right IRI?
…if it helps I believe you…
January 17th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#80 – “Right between the I’s” has already stated that the Republican party has no need for any diversity. They actively discourage any dissent, and anyone who doesn’t drink the kool-aid is attacked as less-than radical for ‘the cause’.
Basically, the Democratic party tries to achieve consensus by inviting multiple viewpoints and differing perspectives.
The Republican party dictates what their stance is, and you are given two options: agree with us completely and sell out your soul, or be labeled “un-American” and be vilified by .
The Republican party is the party of “You’re either a white Christian heterosexual male, or you are not acceptable”. Exclusion is its own reward.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pm“I’ve read the people who HAVE done the research and the estimates of Stalin’s purges, Mao’s purges, Pot’s purges range from 40 million to 100 million. Hitler was a choir boy compared to your Marxists heroes. Liar. I-RIGHT-I ”
I’m not defending any extremists, but you should really be honest and get your numbers right.
We were talking Stalin here, and the 20 million figure is a lie. Most who died under stalin died of disease and starvation – which has always been a problem for russia. So I-RIGHT-I, I know you’re afraid of the left, but your numbers are as wrong as your racist opinions in general. Whoever came up with 40 million fabricated the number. It’s just not true.
~1.3 million deaths have been attributed to Stalin purges and firing squads for the entire time he ruled – and that was during a revolution.
As for Mao, he became a revolutionary when Rightwing elements of the government began doing ‘purges’ in the city – ironic huh? That’s called getting what you put out – just remember that when you put hate out into the world. I forgive you of your ignorance and your hate – maybe someday you’ll learn to be honest, truthful and kind in the world, until then it will continue to hate you back.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pmIt’s one thing for Hillary to say something so stupid, petty, and idiotic as to make her look like a fool.
It’s something far worse for her to be imitating a right-wing dillhole.
How are we supposed to tell the difference anymore?
January 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pmI-RIGHT-I, if you want to talk about millions of deaths in China, you should look just a few decades earlier.
Yes, the rightwinger caused more Chinese deaths than Mao did.
Get your facts straight there pumpkin, before you make those outrageous claims of yours. It just makes you look like an unhinged loonie.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmboth comments were a bit off color, but neither was really all that bad. this is just another media circus about nothing. the real story here is that Hillary lacks any meat to her assertions, so she resorts to sharpton-esque sensationalism. The christian right IS the majority in this country. You LOST IN 2004, grow up, and get over it. Do a better job in 2008, maybe GET A REAL CANDIDATE and you will have a better chance.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmFor those who don’t know it, the common statement from rightwingers is that communism killed between 40 million and 100 million people. They get that number because ~40 million people were killed by FAMINE in Russia and China during their rule. Next thing you know they’re gonna blame all of the deaths from the 1920s bird flu on the communists as well.
People dying from a natural disaster is quite different than putting them in Ovens – but rightwing zealots can’t seem to make that connection – and continually lie about history. I guess when history is your enemy, the best you can do is lie about it.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:47 pmThe christian right IS the majority in this country. You LOST IN 2004, grow up, and get over it. Do a better job in 2008, maybe GET A REAL CANDIDATE and you will have a better chance.
Still pretending the ‘00 and ‘04 elections weren’t stolen?
Give it up. You aren’t fooling anybody except maybe yourself.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWe were talking Stalin here, and the 20 million figure is a lie.
Comment by RightPunch
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
Since the fall of the Soviet Union a great deal is being discovered about the Marxist Utopia in Russia. The 20 million figure is not a lie but based on books by serious academics with supposedly no ax to grind. You losers have been apologizing and lying for Stalin and the other mass murders for decades but the truth is coming out.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pmGingrich is a bigot and a racist, so when he refers to PLANTATION, he means it in a nasty way, but Sen. Clinton uses the word completely different!
January 17th, 2006 at 2:52 pm“supposedly”
Next!
January 17th, 2006 at 2:55 pm“Since the fall of the Soviet Union a great deal is being discovered about the Marxist Utopia in Russia. The 20 million figure is not a lie but based on books by serious academics with supposedly no ax to grind. You losers have been apologizing and lying for Stalin and the other mass murders for decades but the truth is coming out. I-RIGHT-I”
Actually you’re wrong. Go do more research, and you’ll see that so far only 1.3 million deaths have been attributed specifically to purges, and executions. The rest came from civil war, famine and disease. And according to your ‘beliefs’ that means god killed those 20 million people, not Stalin.
You could just as easily blame those deaths on the Czars, and in fact more rightfully so.
You’re lying, and the facts don’t back you up. Even Rummel who was one of the most extreme calculator who said 50 million deaths occurred under stalin, virtually 100% of those deaths resulted from famine and only 3.3 million were actually deaths at the hands of Stalin. And he’s about as extreme in the calculation as they get.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pmted,
January 17th, 2006 at 3:00 pmIf the “christian right” is the majority. And the republicans are the party of the majority, as they claim. And republican are corrupt criminals, as all the indictments and scandals suggest. Then, is the christian right just a bunch of corrupt criminals?
#96 – If “Right between the I’s” is correct that the ‘left’ apologizes for Stalin, then that must mean that the ‘right’ apologizes for Hitler.
If Stalin is ‘left’ because of his Communist ideals, then that would make Hitler ‘right’ because of his fascist ideals.
It’s too bad that the people on the ‘right’ tend to ignore the conclusions of their statements when they ‘liberally’ paint their opposition with such wide brushes. It’s soon forgotten that the wide brush that paints their opponents does not discriminate when it’s used to paint them and their ilk.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:14 pmHow in the world did comments on the comparison to Clinton’s statement to Gingrich’s statement devolve into a “Name who killed the most people” contest…
?!
January 17th, 2006 at 3:16 pmmichael,
It is a typical Troll tactic.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#100 – I agree. If you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger or change the subject. Invoking Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot are more common tactic when they haven’t received their talking-points.
It’s a common tactic of the troll and radical-right wing freaks that are attracted to sites that debunk their lies and refuse to repeat their “spin” of the news unfavorable to their causes.
Too bad they refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions. So much for the party of “personal responsibility”.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:23 pmThe people who aren’t offended by this? The black population. The people who are? Old, fat, white men.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmWhat does that tell you?
Arguing over the internet, is like winning the special olympics.
Yes, you have won. But, you are still retarded!!
I see a lot of you blaming Bush, blaming this & blaming that. But, what you have you done personally to correct these so-called wrongs? Arguing about it does nothing. Get off your soap box, and get out there and do something that matters.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmMichael,
In my experience Republicans always serially complain and re-repeat their lies and misbeliefs. It stems from their childhoods where they ‘fantasy’ fairy tales of religion are repeated continually, even after they should have grown up and realized they’re no more real than santa claus and the tooth fairy. It doesn’t matter how much proof you offer someone who’s that much of a zealot, they generally don’t want to know, or understand that truth. The best you can hope for is to help dispell their lies who don’t know they’re lies yet, and hope that someone who’s not entirely shutdown can be reached.
Most folks on the rightwing, and especially the trolls, are driven by fear. Showing them they’re punching at shadows and lies is the only hope of reaching them in their irrational state. Generally folks like I-RIGHT-I are too far gone, but who knows, even he might grow up someday.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmYou left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Last time I checked, all of these negatives comments against the “whites-only” congress sound a lot like racism, too.
Nice job, hypocrites.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:33 pmYou left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Still pretending the ‘00 and ‘04 elections weren’t stolen?
Give it up. You aren’t fooling anybody except maybe yourself.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:36 pmIan,
Your insensitive assinine comment ranks you as one of the top ten a$$holes to ever surf the internet. Congratulations! You have won an all expense paid trip to Iraq.
Oh yeah, my friend here who is in a wheelchair asked me to tell you that he is sorry that he beat you so badly in the 100 meter dash. He tells me that he could have beaten you even worse but he was laughing so hard because he had never seen someone try to run when they have their head so far up their backside.
Dolt.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmFollow That Meme…
In fact, Think Progress has the 1994 quotes from Newt who said of congressional Democrats: “Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that IÂ’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion”
January 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmPot. Kettle. Black….
Hey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:38 pm“You left-wingers are so out of touch with the mainstream. If you would stop worrying about racism, and worry more about equality you might get more votes.
Last time I checked, all of these negatives comments against the “whites-only†congress sound a lot like racism, too.
Nice job, hypocrites. Sam”
The mainstream polls in our favor, not yours. It’s why the majority of americans now KNOW that republicans are corrupt, and that they want a change in the direction of the government.
And if your idea of ‘equal’ is that only white people have the ‘merit’ to be in congress, it would explain why you virtually never elect anyone black – except black people who say that blacks don’t deserve equal protection. Even your republican buddy Arnold yesterday was quoted as saying
Maybe you wouldn’t sound so racist, if you actually stood for policies that supported all americans, not just the white ones that already have wealth, education and opportunity.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:40 pmOptimist, why don’t you follow your name’s sake.
But you know what, I don’t know your situation, so I’m not going to make any more negative comments about your view on life, liberties, or your pursuit of happiness by making useless assumptions about people on the internet.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:41 pm“Hey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections. Sam”
Who needs a conspiracy theory, when the proof is that more people voted for Gore than Bush. That’s a fact, not a ‘theory’. The ‘theory’ is that Bush won, when in fact he was ‘appointed’ by the supreme court.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:42 pmHey Gary, why don’t you worry about the moon landings or bigfoot… They are more credible as conspiracy theories than the past two elections.
Um, the moon landings aren’t conspiracy theory. They were on TV and everything. Trust me on this one.
As for the elections, as I said, you aren’t fooling anybody. Your “president” came in as a criminal, and he’ll be going out the same way, hopefully soon.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:43 pmHey, you know something? I lived off of foodstamps for one year because of government programs instituted that devastated an entire region. Did you ever hear about it? No. Because it affected a primarily white region of farmers in Eastern North Carolina. You know what most of these farmers did? They went back to school, or adjusted and got off of the welfare system.
You didn’t hear us complaining on national media about how the government screwed us.
Now, I have a life to get back to.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:43 pmSam,
Why don’t you post more conspiracy theories like I-RIGHT-I that attributes famine deaths to communism. Or maybe ‘creationism’ as a science like Ben. It’s funny how you guys have no problems believing in fairy tales, yet you criticize hard numbers like election figures and polling results. You’re all such anti-intellectual elitists.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:44 pmIT’s a real race of who can make the most hateful statement,
And rounding the first corner, it’s Coulter by a nose, closely followed by Falafel, Hannity, Drug-Addled…
Oh yeah it’s a real race…
January 17th, 2006 at 3:45 pmSam,
I’m not really sure what you were attempting to say, but I am certain that you did not say it.
But, since you are up for a conversation and you seem to be supporting what Ian said, I would very much like to hear your argument in support of the premise that : The internet/blogs are for retards and retards are subhuman so I can invoke them when trying to insult people.
This should be interesting.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:46 pmOptimist
Insensitive? Maybe??? But, you get my point.
And as far as your comment about my free trip to Iraq. Thanks! Having returned from Afghanistan, where I gladly fought for your right to speak so freely. I would gladly accept another tour in the sand box, if my left hand was still attached to my wrist.
Anything else you’d like to say?
January 17th, 2006 at 3:47 pm“Hey, you know something? I lived off of foodstamps for one year because of government programs instituted that devastated an entire region. Did you ever hear about it? No. Because it affected a primarily white region of farmers in Eastern North Carolina. You know what most of these farmers did? They went back to school, or adjusted and got off of the welfare system. Sam”
So you have the government and democrats to thank for not starving to death. You’re welcome.
“You didn’t hear us complaining on national media about how the government screwed us. Sam”
I’m hearing it now, but I’m not hearing any thanks for the welfare that apparently you greatly benefitted from. Or the primary and secondary ‘education’ that left you both with a strong foundation and additional support necessary to help bootstrap yourself. So my question is why you would resist investing in that same level of education for all americans, not just ‘white’ ones?
“Now, I have a life to get back to. Sam”
That’s more than most of the black residents of New Orleans can say. And unlike you, many of them have issues with literacy, poverty, abuse, and any number of other issues that warrant the expense of more money and expertise to solve, not ‘less’ as is the proposal of republicans.
You’re welcome for all of the generosity that Democrats provided you – too bad you’re unwilling to offer us gratitude for helping you, and instead only have hateful things to say. It’s obvious your experience hasn’t taught you to appreciate kindness, and instead to simply offer hate and attitude to others who also need it. I challenge you to reexamine your life and your lessons, and to find the kindness and morality out of it that you’re so clearly missing.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:48 pmIan,
January 17th, 2006 at 3:48 pmSorry you got shot in the nose?
Ian,
Sorry about that comment, it was uncalled for.
Now, as far as being in Afghanistan to fight for my free speech, thank you. And you’re welcome, in return, for when I did it for you.
But, just as free speech is a right that we all enjoy, we are also responsible for what we say. The right and responsibility come hand in hand. So, if you want to make duragatory comments that are just plain stupid, then you have to be prepared to be challenged.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmPoint taken.
I have no problem accepting critisism for my “derogatory” statement.
Now back to my original question. What have/will you do to correct the so-called wrongs? Because, all I see is blame, and no action!!!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:06 pmIan,
Thanks for the spelling correction, I’m flying free-form today without the spell checker.
In regard to what I am doing, the answer is: everything within my power.
I am speaking with my elected representatives and senators. I am working to keep the “truth” visible. I am protesting an illegal and immoral invasion. I am not surrendering my freedoms and liberties to terrorist. I am holding my government accountable.
Now, that is what I am doing today. If tomorrow warrants different actions, I will undertake those proudly.
What about you?
January 17th, 2006 at 4:12 pm“Now back to my original question. What have/will you do to correct the so-called wrongs? Because, all I see is blame, and no action!!! Ian”
If all you get is mainstream/rightwing media, no wonder you don’t know about all of the proposals to fix this that republicans continually thwart.
To solve this you fund education fully for the poor, you fund social programs around childcare, nutrition, daycare, child rearing assistance, family counseling and any number of other programs that have proven effective when implemented by cities and local governments, but that never can gather enough funding because of those in government who’d rather buy a new tank.
This isn’t hard, except that it requires a government that’s committed to the cost of solving the issue more than one that focuses on its next war and next enemy.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#124
Also, what is the exit strategy for the war on poverty? It doesn’t sound like you have one or want one.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:27 pm“First I can say that I am writing my own opinion. But how would you describe pantation owners that forces other human beings to work as slaves and beat them at will. Humanitarians that were giving the chance for the poor people of Africa the chance to make it in the New World? Or do you have other opinions on this? Please lets talk.”
January 17th, 2006 at 4:34 pmSo, how would you describe the tribes of africa that kidnapped and sold weaker tribes to the rest of the world (South America got about 80% of the world slave trade … )- “humanitarians?” It amazes me how the US gets so much credit for inventing slavery, an institution that was around for centuries before the antebellum south. the south is the only culture where it’s not only stereotyped, but it’s actually encouraged to make fun of and stereotype it. Only about 3% of southerners even owned slaves, and more plantation owners treated their slaves as family, than those who “beat them at will.”
Hillary better get her own Senate in order first before she tackles the House of Representatives.
Is she still all talk an no action? We’ll find out very soon. So far, she has not come out in favor of an Alito filibuster.
If she doesn’t support a filibuster, it will be time to support another Democrat who really is a Democrat in her next NY Democratic Senate Primary.
Out with the big talking, no action, spineless, big business DLC DINOs!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:40 pmIn with the DNC Deansters!
“It amazes me how the US gets so much credit for inventing slavery, an institution that was around for centuries before the antebellum south. staci”
Who said that – it was you who made this assumption. The point isn’t whether we invented it, but what legacy it left, and how little we’ve done to rectify this legacy.
“Only about 3% of southerners even owned slaves, and
more plantation owners treated their slaves as family, than those who “beat them at will.†staci”
Do you often sell your family as property, force them to do manual labor, rape them, and make them live in rathole shacks? You have a different definition of ‘family’ than I do.
The legacy is ugly, stop trying to ‘pretty’ it up. It’s undignified.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI believe if my memory serves me correct…it was a Republican President (Lincoln), and a Republican lead Congress that freed the slaves and brought an end to the true “plantation” and slavery in general. The Democrats including current Sentator Robert Byrd(D), formerly of the KKK, tried to block the progress of de-segregation. I think the obvious difference in these two quotes is that although they were both speaking about the atmosphere of the House of Representatives in there time, Hillary was attempting to play the race card when she used the “plantation” comment to encite anger from African Americans on a day of celebration of the life of MLK Jr. Democrats repeatedly try to claim that the Republicans are segregationist, when in fact the Democrats are the ones trying to segregate the population with their hate speach!
January 17th, 2006 at 4:50 pm#130
January 17th, 2006 at 5:03 pmWell said! Its obvious that Hillary is as desperate as the rest of her party with the loss of power. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Bush get about 15-16% of the African-American vote in the last election. As they build their affluence and enter more of the middle class, African-Americans are beginning to understand how the democratic party has used them over the years with scare tactics. They are discovering that Republicans not democrats offer them hope for a better life. People usually vote their pocketbooks come election time and its obvious that with the recent results, African-Americans are beginning to identify Republicans as their party of choice. Go Condi ‘08!
Damon,
Lincoln did free the slaves, and that was the last time republicans did anything responsible. The democrats were split on de-segregation, but it was democrats who implemented de-segregation, and not republicans. And the de-segregationists like Strom Thurmond left the democrats for the Republicans when the Democrats ‘did the right thing’, just as David Duke and the rest of the KKK did (they’re all republicans now).
Before you criticize the ‘past’, you should look at the ‘present’, and who your fellow Republicans are. And Bush only got 11% of the african american vote Damon, an appropriate figure, as that’s probably the number of ‘Condi’ types who’ve forgotten their responsiblity to their communities.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:12 pm“People usually vote their pocketbooks come election time and its obvious that with the recent results, African-Americans are beginning to identify Republicans as their party of choice. Go Condi ‘08! Randy”
Is that why Bush’s approval rating is 2% among african americans right now? You sure are optimistic in the face of overwhelming facts that disagree with you.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmRandy,
I’m sorry but I missed the day when African Americans elected you their spokeswoman. Oh, I know when it was! It was the day that I was rolling on the floor laughing in response to this:
“President Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
- Kayne West
Perhaps you should call Mr. West and interview him on his opinion of republicans. It may prove useful to you.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:13 pmOptimist,
These poor kids grow up believing in talking donkies and flat earth theories. No wonder they are so out of touch with reality. I feel so much pity for them, and their little worlds of fear and ignorance.
Randy, Damon, I forgive you for your hate and ignorance. It’s clear you don’t ‘mean’ to be that way, but circumstances have brought you there unwittingly. Open up your hearts, your minds and your capacity for compassion and learn what it means to be a caring american. You’ll benefit even more than america will from the experience.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:17 pmRightPunch,
Agreed. My goal is to open at least one set of eyes per day, and continue to learn in the process. May we all keep open minds and compassion in our hearts, it is the only win-win scenario.
With that said, I’m off. Peace all!
January 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pmRight Punch,
Apparently you think you are more intelligent than anyone else—an elite. You don’t know me, how do you know my compasion level? I will have you know that I have been on the front lines, my heart is open. Have you been to the coast of Miss. or to Louisana to help the those in need? I have, I spent over a week of my 10 vacation days I get every year working with compasion to help those in need. You don’t know me…I also spent the other 5 days in Jamaica working to help those impoverished, feeding the children, building a community center, and I even helped build a house. So before you go and “forgive [me] for [my] hate and ignorance.” Let me tell you that I am neither a bigot, nor a ignorant person sir. You need to come down off your high horse and realize that just because I am a Republican it doesn’t mean I am a bigot! This is exactly why the Democrats are losing at the election box!
January 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pm“Right Punch,
Apparently you think you are more intelligent than anyone else—an elite. You don’t know me, how do you know my compasion level? Damon”
Because of this comment.
“Democrats repeatedly try to claim that the Republicans are segregationist, when in fact the Democrats are the ones trying to segregate the population with their hate speach! Damon”
The fact is that republican policies today are very segregationist, clearly you haven’t spent much time in the south recently.
“I will have you know that I have been on the front lines, my heart is open. Have you been to the coast of Miss. or to Louisana to help the those in need? I have, I spent over a week of my 10 vacation days I get every year working with compasion to help those in need. Damon”
That’s super, now if you can get the rest of your party to believe that the Government can also play a role in helping poor people and not just Halliburton, we’ll be making progress.
“You don’t know me…I also spent the other 5 days in Jamaica working to help those impoverished, feeding the children, building a community center, and I even helped build a house. Damon”
And how many bibles did you pass out?
“So before you go and “forgive [me] for [my] hate and ignorance.†Let me tell you that I am neither a bigot, nor a ignorant person sir. You need to come down off your high horse and realize that just because I am a Republican it doesn’t mean I am a bigot! This is exactly why the Democrats are losing at the election box! Damon”
Your attack on Democrats, and exclusion of Republicans who are/were involved in segregation like Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, David Duke and any number of other republicans bigots either show that you are ignorant, or that you intentionally lie. Your lack of realization of this fact shows why Republicans bearly break 10% at the ballot box among African Americans despite their general ‘conservative’ values.
How do you stand on poverty programs? My guess is that you’re against them, and that’s unintentional racism that’s the result of a closed heart. The government can do more in the stroke of a pen, than you can in a lifetime of social work. I don’t doubt your good intentions – most people have them. But your lopsided criticism is not only false and misleading, it’s not reality.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:51 pmDamon,
If quotes like this weren’t so readily available, your bleating comments might hold more water. If you want to know why Republicans continually lose the African American vote – here’s why:
January 17th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
And Damon, as for the Byrd reference – it’s true his impedence of the civil rights bill was horrific, but obviously you haven’t paid much attention to his congressional service since that era.
Clearly the former racism within the democratic party has largely left the room, and now inhabits the republican party. You can kick them out, or give them reason to leave like the democrats did anytime you like. Until the they are linked to your party values, and party policies. And your personal ‘charity’ that doesn’t necessarily have any real results in the world don’t make up for this fact. I saw the two little KKK pop stars handing out supplies to ‘whites only’ in Mississippi as well. Charity doesn’t mean non-racist or a 100% open heart, it just means your heart isn’t 100% closed. Perhaps you’ll find room to open it the rest of the way eventually. I’ll welcome your progress, whenever you’re ready to make it.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:03 pmEveryone should forward this quote to Chris Matthews. He had Rev. Sharpton and Ron Christie on Hardball tonight talking about this situation. Of course, in Chris & Christie’s outrage they failed to mention that Gingrich had said something similar ten years before and they didn’t care. I forwarded it to him and told him I expect him to lead with the Gingrich facts tomorrow since it was the term “plantation” that offended him so much in Hillary’s comments to the question asked of her.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:10 pmRev. Sharpton, who was at the event with Hillary, was on Hardball tonight. He said her comment was in response to a question asked of her and that no one in the audience was offended. He also pointed out that the event was not a church event to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., but a political event at which several Republican politicans were present.
It’s easy to take this out of context to create outrage over it in an attempt to change the story from Republican corruption, Iraq mess, bombing Pakistan on more false intelligence, huge expanding deficit, drug plan chaos, illegal spying, outing CIA agents, tax cuts for those who don’t need them, gas prices, etc., etc., etc.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:27 pmCharles Barron, New York City Council member — expressing his resentment toward whites: “You know, some days I get so frustrated I just want to go up to the closest white person and say, ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing,’ and then slap him, just for my mental health.”
There’s Charles, standing right behind Hillary at the Canaan Baptist Church. We know what you mean, Hillary.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:41 pmThe difference is Democrats today really treat blacks like slaves. Pandering to them when they need votes, then sending them back to the blue-collar fields when they’re elected. Democrats, like slave-owners claim to be helping the blacks, but their policies do nothing but keep them down. The intent being that a subservient and needy black populace will vote for those promising the most free handouts. Keep ‘em down, then grab their votes.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:12 pm“The difference is Democrats today really treat blacks like slaves. Pandering to them when they need votes, then sending them back to the blue-collar fields when they’re elected. Democrats, like slave-owners claim to be helping the blacks, but their policies do nothing but keep them down. The intent being that a subservient and needy black populace will vote for those promising the most free handouts. Keep ‘em down, then grab their votes. Jason”
I think that you accidentally replaced republicans with democrats when you wrote this. After all, the wealth gap gets lower under democrats, as do the educational opportunities through affirmitive action, grants and scholarships – yet republicans dilligently work to do away with all of these while courting the ‘anti-abortion’, ‘anti-gay’ churches every election. I forgive you of your hatred and your ignorance, and when you’re willing to join a civil society, we’ll forgive you just like we did Senator Byrd – even if your own republicans you leave behind will continue to insult you.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:18 pm#140 and #141, DS
January 17th, 2006 at 7:38 pmI clicked on this thread to post comments – but I see you have already written much of what I was going to report.
I also wrote two E-mails to Hardball while the show was airing because CM gets me so angry as he froths at the mouth with excitement, yelling over the top of everyone — Al Sharpton is not easily talked over, though, and he managed to get his points across.
Don’t you just know that the Repubs will take this as far as they can in order to take the focus off the boy king and his fiascoes.
Propaganda: We are at war. A war on terror. A war that was started on 9/11. We will always be at war, until terror is extinguished.
Reality: We are not at war. We attacked Iraq. We have not found Bin Laden or the perps of 9/11. 9/11 was a criminal act. It was not an act of war. 9/11 was a criminal act that followed a similar bombing years earlier. The only terrorism we should be concerned about is this: The current United States government — including all three branches — cannot be trusted to uphold our Bill of Rights.
Reality Extreme: Terror is the feeling sick cancer patients feel, when they get a doctor’s note for medicinal marijuana, and they realize the Federal government will prosecute them. The only terror we are experiencing is by the government on our freedoms.
Reality Extreme Live: You are being recorded.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:45 pmThe incomes of the best-off Americans have risen twice as fast as those of middle-class Americans, according to data from the Congressional Budget Office. The gap between the rich and the working class has grown even more. A study sponsored by the left-leaning Institute for Policy Studies in Washington showed that executives made 419 times more than factory workers in 1998, compared with 42 times more in 1980.
This happened in the 90’s under Bill Clinton, rightpunch. You’re just making it up and you’ve been caught.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:45 pmHillary’s stunt is exhibit A why their is racism in this country.
Comment by Tetra King #23
Trichomonas King,
Stop lying you racist Al Cracker bastich!
Racism exists in America because White people like you believe you’re BETTER (more SUPERIOR) than people different from yourselves…
…just like your forefathers and ancestors believed about the slaves, Chinese, Mexicans and Native Americans who didn’t have the firepower or overwhelming numbers, or ability to spread disease that they (your ancestors) did …
Well now mofo your gun is my gun, and we’re innoculated…
Stop pretending and be what you are…
January 17th, 2006 at 7:51 pmSwamp,
I agree that the gap between rich and poor grew under Clinton, but the gap grew greater under both Bush presidents. Clinton was a pragmatist, and at times he compromised more than I’d like to see – but then again he’s still better than republican extremism. Why do you think the numbers listed by the ‘left leaning’ institute are between 1980 and 1998. It was probably to bash Clinton to do more – a clearly good idea.
I just went and looked up the numbers, and here’s what I found.
The period listed is between 1980 and 1992 saw the salaries increased from 42x times to ~200x times under republican leadership, which is a jump of 5X times. Subsequent increases under Clinton were 2X times. While I agree this is troubling, you’ve inappropriately bunched the Republican and Democratic presidencies into a single event – which isn’t fair.
January 17th, 2006 at 8:03 pmYou numbers don’t add up, punch.
A report released this weekend finds that the gap between the pay of corporate executives and the pay of workers has grown tenfold in the United States during the past two decades. While the CEOs of major corporations made an average of 42 times the pay of an average worker in 1980, today the top bosses make a staggering 419 times the average pay.
The report, entitled “A Decade of Executive Excess,” was released by the Institute for Policy Studies and United For a Fair Economy, liberal study groups based in Washington, DC and Boston respectively. While providing new figures on corporate CEO pay increases in 1998, the most startling figures were those for the entire decade of the 1990s.
During this period the wages of the average worker rose by 28 percent, just barely ahead of the inflation rate of 22.5 percent, making the net gain only 5.5 percent. But the compensation of corporate CEOs, combining salaries, bonuses and stock options, rose 481 percent, for a net gain after inflation of 459 percent—a rate of increase 82 times as great as that for workers
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January 17th, 2006 at 9:06 pmSwamp,
Re-read what I wrote. The problem is your figures cover from 1980 through 1998. Most of that period was controlled by Republicans. I’m not denying the Clinton legacy on this is not as good as I’d be happy with, but his legacy was much better than either Bush or Reagan. You should go look at the specific breakouts and relative increases of all factors.
You also forget several other factors including that Clinton raised taxes on these CEOs’, whereas Bush lowered or in many cases eliminated them. Excess is relative, and the comparisons you list don’t add up. For instance you have the entire decade, but 90,91 were republican years and skew the results.
Many of the liberal think tanks were pushing Clinton in 1998 to do more as a ‘legacy’, that’s why you get items like this produced.
If you’d like I can see what I can dig up, but I suggest you go do more research and not rely on a single paper that has murkish dates.
January 17th, 2006 at 9:09 pm[...] Speaking of which, here comes another one now. [...]
January 17th, 2006 at 9:53 pmHere’s the difference.
Newt makes an off-color remark, that is secretly a dig on the Democratic party for supporting the ‘victim’ mentality that generations of blacks will forever embrace unless they are weaned off the government teat.
Hillary makes a comment designed to inflame hatred and distrust among blacks for the Republican party. During the height of a celebration of black freedom and human rights she couldn’t resist the chance to further to make divisive remarks and further distance the blacks from what they perceive (thanks to the leftist elite and the liberal media) to be a racist bunch of fat white men: the Republican party.
Personally, her remark doesn’t bother me. I hope she makes more outlandish comments that can be used against her should she throw her hat in the ring for the 2008 election. She’s digging her own grave, and I’d gladly hand her a shovel.
Hope that clears things up for you. Context and intent are everything. It’s like me saying ‘n*gg*r’ and a rapper saying ‘n*gg*r’. There’s a world of difference.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHillary is trying to criticize President Bush now, so cut her some slack, since her husband hangs out with Bush Senior which makes it hard for her!
January 17th, 2006 at 10:08 pmWe ought to bombard email every major network website with the Gingrich quote from 1994. See anybody in right wing media land has the balls to put it on their show.
How long before the media mentions that Newt Gingrich, just before becoming Speaker of the House, made the same comparison in 1994:
“I clearly fascinate them,†Gingrich said of the Democrats. “I’m much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I’m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.†[Washington Post, 10/20/94]
January 17th, 2006 at 10:31 pmpunch,
I suggest you actually have some evidence to support outrageous statments like this:
After all, the wealth gap gets lower under democrats…
And:
The period listed is between 1980 and 1992 saw the salaries increased from 42x times to ~200x times under republican leadership, which is a jump of 5X times. Subsequent increases under Clinton were 2X times.
Because you haven’t provided any evidence or sources. I suspect it’s all b.s.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:35 pmCNN just talked about it. They even showed TP’s article about it!
January 17th, 2006 at 10:37 pmPhineas said:
further distance the blacks from what they perceive (thanks to the leftist elite and the liberal media) to be a racist bunch of fat white men: the Republican party.
Phineas, listen closely: Black people have built a good part of this country and contributed to its legacy and, in their spare time, cleaned its buildings, so if you think they haven’t figured out on their own that Repubs are a bunch of racist fat white men (as you apparently do) then you seriously, seriously undervalue their intelligence.
Evidence? Al Sharpton stood next to Clinton in front of that black audience on MLK Day, and here’s how he reacted:
–As for Sharpton, he jokingly suggested that Clinton, who many believe is eying a run for president in 2008, had stolen his material.
“Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decision – that’s tantamount to plantation,†Sharpton told reporters.
“I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the ‘04 elections,†added Sharpton, referring to his failed presidential run that year.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:43 pmRightPunch,
Defending imperialistic tyrants gives the left a bad name. Stalin was evil. Period. Not all the famines were natural–the Holodomor, or Famine-Genocide of 1932-3, was engineered to aid collectivization in Ukraine. The famine stopped at Ukraine’s ethnic borders, and, while Ukraine starved, her grain was being sold and shipped to Europe. No aid was forthcoming from the CCCP, and peasants were forcibly kept from leaving their villages and traveling to cities or other parts of the Soviet Union to look for food.
Some 7 to 10 million died. My father survived only because his father had already been shot by the Russians (for the crime of being a minor landowner–”kulak”), and their land expropriated. His family had been forced to leave the village and live with family in a larger town just before the famine. They barely survived. Most of their friends and family in the village didn’t.
Even now, when I talk to famine survivors, they talk in hushed tones, some with fear in their eyes, about the evil and horrors they witnessed.
Ben,
The Europeans, both inadvertently and deliberately, killed 90-95% of the population of the Americas in the century after Columbus made first contact. Read any up-to-date books or articles on pre-colonial American history and archeology, and this will become clear to you. The Americas were thriving continents, with advanced civilizations and large populations. The flu, smallpox and measles took care of that.
Early settlers to new England actually settled on the sites of Indian farms and towns, and gave thanks to God for the “Plague” which had opened North America to European colonization. Then they went about killing those Indians who had survived.
Folks–Genocide is bad, no matter who commits it. It is never defensible.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:56 pmHaha, the only intelligence I under-value is yours, whoever you are Mr. Ignoramus.
Your evidence that all Republicans are racist is that Al Sharpton defended Hillary Clinton? Throwing bombs from fantasy land? Wish I could join you, but I’m stuck back here in fact-based reality. Oh well, I dont even know what this site it, but its clearly a place for liberal-minded cattle to parade their half-baked thoughts and emotional knee-jerk responses.
I hope you enjoy being the political minority, since you’ll be stuck there through at least 2016, when Condoleeza’s 2nd term is over.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:02 pmIs it really “progressive” to defend someone’s obviously ignorant comment by finding someone who made a variation of the same ignorant comment 12 years ago? I think “progressive” would be to admit your faults.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:16 pmWhere’s the outrage about Bush saying he wanted to hang Martin Luther King (the portrait) on the holiday. Good catch with the Newt G. quote. Makes Hillary’s more understandable.
January 18th, 2006 at 12:07 amhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020121-1.v.html
[...] Speaking of which, here comes another one now. [...]
January 18th, 2006 at 12:20 amSure it’s a plantation, because that way lies slavery under the neocon massa. And Republicans play the White Power card all the time, the hell with their dainty little sensibilities. They’re never talkin’ nothin’ but trash. See you in the funny papers, trolls.
January 18th, 2006 at 1:37 am#79
January 18th, 2006 at 4:55 amRightpunch said;
“American settlers sent diseased blankets to native americans in order to kill them off. Entire villages were systematically exterminated that resisted and fought back.”
I’m not supporting Ben here, but, let’s keep it real, OK? Quickly now, can anyone name three of the famous micro-biologists of the 16th century who put together the ‘germ-warfare-on-a-blanket’ plan?
puhleeez!
I like Lou Dobbs comment ” it appears to be the knashing of teeth,” by the way since the repubs are so quick to claim that if clinton did it , its OK for bush I guess the same Holds now …since Newt did it , Hillary is justified be fiat. Right guys
January 18th, 2006 at 5:27 amconservative political correct speech run amock … who cares?
Americablog and others have lists of conservatives from Limbaugh on who used a “plantation” and “slave” metaphor … we didn’t hear any hissy fits from the conservative press or their go-fers when they did … say “Hillary” or “equal rights for gay people” and the righties become rant uncontrollably …
January 18th, 2006 at 8:43 amRULE #1: NEVER APOLOGIZE!!!!!
January 18th, 2006 at 9:04 amIf Hillary feels the need to respond to the White House remarks, she should quote the words of the great Ameriucan Feminist, Alice Cramden, who said,
“NOW THAT YOU’RE DONE FILLIN’ YOUR GASBAG, BUZZ OFF!!!!!!”
I think that you will find 70% of American women would agree with her!!!!
Newt makes an off-color remark, that is secretly a dig on the Democratic party for supporting the ‘victim’ mentality that generations of blacks will forever embrace unless they are weaned off the government teat.
Comment by Phineas #155
Fu*k you PhineasJa*shole,
There are FAR more White people on that “government teat” you so cavalierly throw around…
…Have you read hate crime, mortality rate, economic, employment, educational, housing, medical and any other goddam* statistics (by race) in regards to this (your) “victim free” racist a*sed country?
I don’t think you have you stupid Al Cracker bastich…
READ beeotch, go live amongst the people, then make “informed” comments sh*t breath!!!
January 18th, 2006 at 9:25 amI hope you enjoy being the political minority, since you’ll be stuck there through at least 2016, when Condoleeza’s 2nd term is over.
Comment by Phineas #162
Who the he*l names their inbred Phineas anyway?
Is that short for Philiosophicalnitwit?
…cuz you’re as dumb as a crumb…
See you in ‘06…or maybe not…
January 18th, 2006 at 9:29 amOh my god, what are they teaching in high schools these days??
Read this please!
January 18th, 2006 at 9:42 amhttp://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:orMSJ9wQFPp7fM:www.triburibelli.org/lecarte/immagini/8c.jpg
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January 18th, 2006 at 9:53 am
January 18th, 2006 at 9:54 amHey IRI cant find your Card..gonna have to check the Arianism Deck..
January 18th, 2006 at 9:56 amSince the fall of the Soviet Union a great deal is being discovered about the Marxist Utopia in Russia. The 20 million figure is not a lie but based on books by serious academics with supposedly no ax to grind. You losers have been apologizing and lying for Stalin and the other mass murders for decades but the truth is coming out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
Ya know IRI you shoot yourself in the Foot at least 12 times a Day. And whom were the Marxists IRI? Capitalists? And arent the NEO_COOKS capitalists? Wasnt Sharon a Likud? And wasnt Trotsky actual name Bronstein, whom goes right back to your Pro-Israel lobbying groups. DID we or DID we not already show a while back that the Neo-cons are basically Likud? Poligize, you are te one that should apologize for supporting the Likuds and the ones attached to them. Again you have proved your Hypocrisy.
January 18th, 2006 at 10:06 amYou the Winner IRI
you the Weimar
you the capitalist
you the marxist
you the arianist
you the liar
you the important
you the winner?
LOL ,YAY, a Winner!
January 18th, 2006 at 10:10 amBack in ‘92, according to the NY Times, PA Congressman Robert S. Walker said far worse than Hillary when talking abour Democratic House leadership back in ‘92: “But such criticism paled in comparison with the hyperbole served up by Representative Robert S. Walker, Republican of Pennsylvania. First Mr. Walker likened the tight reins of Democratic control to the plantation system of the South before the Civil War, a comparison that visibly upset Southern Democrats. Then he reached farther afield and said, “It’s a little like when the people of Nazi Germany were stripped of their rights.”"
How many stories did the NY Times publish about this? Just this one (6/25/92)! How many have they published so far on the ‘Plantation flap’? Three already, all written by one Raymond Hernandez (will hunt down his contact info, stay tuned).
January 18th, 2006 at 10:10 amRobert s. Walker is now a big DC, guess what, LOBBYIST at WexlerWalker. He can be reached at walker@wexlerwalker.com or 202-638-2121. Why don’t we all contact him and ask him to step forward and defuse this whole situation….fat chance.
hope you enjoy being the political minority, since you’ll be stuck there through at least 2016, when Condoleeza’s 2nd term is over.
Comment by Phineas
Bite your tongue. The LAST thing this country needs in a time of war is a female President. She’ll either nuke the entire planet in a PMS rage or wimp out and set back our plans for world conquest ten years.
January 18th, 2006 at 12:27 pmHillary needs to tell Bill that if he continues to hang out with Bush Senior, playing golf with him, she will slug him!
Bill’s association with the Bush Family is killing any chance that Hillary had to run for president in 2008!
Why should Americans vote for a Bush Lover?
January 18th, 2006 at 1:10 pmWhen will you people wake up. Don’t you see how much anger, frustration and even hate there is in your comments. Does anyone realize the two major political parties are dividing this country along partisan lines. They are both guilty. Just because you are a republican does not mean you live your life in fear. Just because you are a democrat does not mean you are warm hearted and caring. This is getting pathetic. If this hatred is what it means to be American, then I’m ashamed to be one. Debate should be open and civil. Otherwise, what in the hell are we doing? What is life worth if we only try and make it miserable for our political enemies. If you want to know the definition of American values, then google Benjamin Franklin, not George Will. This is getting out of control. There was a time when Americans helped one another and did not find cause in trying to tear one another down. Open your eyes people, before we throw this dream away.
January 18th, 2006 at 5:05 pmHey just wanted to comment on the faux Hillary outrage. I found it interesting that the media and the Republican est. made such a big ta do over this comment. Initially hearing it from the media and the Repubs.. I found the Hillary’s comment on “The PLantation” a bit awkward given her midwestern, Ivy league background. However no more Awkward than bush behaving like a strong forthright christian common man, texan, given his wealthy. Eastern, well-connected, Elitist, draft-dodging, failed business leader, mama’s boy cred’s. { Bush’s moms comment about her “beautiful mind still slays me. Lol} Oh, I am sure that this is going to cause some consternation and faux outrage on the part of righties, and repubs. But given my own background of being a native american, former foster child, high school graduate, abuse, racism survivor. You will just have to excuse my simple observations. However after having actually seen the actual contexts and response of Hillary’s speech in a news clip. My initial observation was changed, due to the fact that despite the media’s emphasis on the two word phrase ” a plantation” her comments were appropriate and well received by her audience. I would add that I still found that a better metaphor could have been used i,e, ” bloated tyrannical Monarchy”. However that being said” Newt the Salamander used it first and it was still inappropriate as most political hyperbole is.
January 18th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI would also like to add the question being, that despite the fact that “WE KNOW” that the “9/11 terrorists” were Saudis and Egyptians, How again did we get to believe that Iraq was our target? Got to hand it too them repubs, and the bush’s hand-holding cosey with the saudis clan. I thought that we also knew that members of the Saudi’s royal family were actively supporting terrorist organizations around the world. They do have a mastery of the media. But I also have to say to shame on the vast majority of the the american public that they would be willing to be so gullible. Just someone who has had to question/understand very well the realities inherent in governments/humanities behavior and motives.
The bringing up of Mr. Gingrich’s comment is only meant to remove the heat from Mrs. Clinton. Neither’s comment is acceptable.
The difference is, that when Mr. Gingrich made the comment, no one complained about it. The Republicans probably ran for cover, but the lack of an outcry from the Democrats is what is remarkable. They just didn’t care or they thought it was appropriate.
It’s the outcry from the conservatives that should be highlighted. We believe it was and is wrong. That is the difference and what should be making the news.
January 18th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI agree with #184…
Neither comment was really acceptable. However, one should consider the audience/context when making a judgement as to who was worse. Newt was speaking to a WaPo reporter when he made his statement. It was a very poor choice of words to be sure, an insult to what the slaves on plantations suffered.
Hillary speaking at a church in Harlem on MLK day, clearly trying to play to her audience, trying to inflame racial passions makes her statement reprehensible.
January 18th, 2006 at 6:15 pmWow! I am always surprised at how easily distracted the American electorate can get from what should be alarming, and frightening to them. Is this one word, or even this one woman the biggest of Americas problems? Does anyone even see the dismantling of constitutional protections hundreds of years old?
January 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pm“As if those three millions had fought for the right to be free themselves, but to hold in slavery three millions others. Now-a-days, men wear a fool’s cap, and call it a liberty cap. I do not know but there are some, who, if they were tied to a whipping-post, and could get but one hand free, would use it to ring the bells and fire the cannons, to celebrate their liberty. So some of my townsmen took the liberty to ring and fire; that was the extent of their freedom; and when the sound of the bells died away, their liberty died away also; when the powder was all expended, their liberty went off with the smoke.
“The joke could be no broader, if the inmates of the prisons were to subscribe for all the powder to be used in such salutes, and hire the jailors to do the firing and ringing for them, while they enjoyed it through the grating.”
Henry David Thoreau
January 18th, 2006 at 6:31 pmJim,
What good are freedoms if you are dead? You speak in nebulous terms about constitutional freedoms being impinged, but I have yet to hear of any real abuses. We are at war and Presidents do radical things to win wars. FDR imprisoned over 100,000 american citizens with the only solid evidence against them was that they were of the wrong ethnicity.
Lincoln threw dissenters into prison diring the Civil War. To win wars, sometimes you must do some radical things.
BTW, you know about Echelon right? Evidence exists that Clinton used that program to eavesdrop on americans during his time in office as well. You may dispense with your faux outrage towards Bush on this issue, it is purely a partisan disagreement.
January 18th, 2006 at 6:41 pm#182 – I completely agree. I am surprised by the level of hatred and ugliness displayed on this site. One side makes a statement – the other side responds with insults of the worst nature. Regardless of your political party you must realize that when you have to belittle your opponent to boost your point you come out the loser. And other readers are left with the impression that you have no rational or facts to back your objection – otherwise you would have stated them. Both the Republican and the Democratic Parties have points in their histories that can be touted for their benefit or touted for the benefit of the other party (look and see what we didn’t do).
Now for a few facts that will no doubt have some questioning my parentage, intelligence and making a crude statement punning my signature … primarily because they won’t like what I have to say.
Neither the 2000 nor the 2004 elections were “stolenâ€.
The 2000 election was a statistical anomaly that has always been possible, i.e. that one candidate will win the popular vote and the other win the Electoral College. The statistical deviation on that is very small and speaks to how divided this nation was then and remains today. And like it or not, the Constitution calls for the Electoral process – not a popular vote. If you don’t like it … then petition your representatives to change it. And just for the record … the guy I voted for lost – a fact that I am very happy about when I watch him these days. At the end of the Clinton presidency (hopefully the only one) VP Gore had some good moments that gave me hope for him, but to see the levels of vitriol he has fallen to makes me sad.
The 2004 charge of a stolen election … I have heard that charge made in context to the Ohio elections where I live. That election went under strict scrutiny by the Secretary of State for Ohio as required by our state Constitution and was certified as valid with the caveat that while there were some cases of questionable practices … they did not amount to enough votes – even if 100% had gone to John Kerry – to swing the state. If you’ll recall it was actually several days before that election was certified because the Secretary of State wanted to make sure he got it right – not my opinion but his public statement on the issue.
But I know you don’t want to hear that. There are those who have gone so far as to imply that since the Secretary of State for Ohio is a Republican – that his certifying the election is a joke. And others have suggested that all of the questionable practices happened in black neighborhoods – implying that if the “black vote†had been counted that Kerry would have won. Just a few more facts: the Secretary of State for Ohio is a Republican … he is also a black man. To imply that his being a Republican for however many years would override his black heritage must be an insult to him and his family. I also know of specific cases where white voters, male white voters – who had been voting in the same place for over a decade, had suddenly fallen off the roll books with no explanation … so the oddities were not contained (or worse directed) at black neighborhoods.
And it is obvious that the majority of voters of Ohio did not have a problem with that certification because the Constitutional Amendment that was put on last years ballot to move the certification from the Secretary of State failed by a wide margin.
Finally to imply that Condi Rice isn’t black because she works for President Bush or because she is a Republican is an insult to a woman who has worked hard to get where she is. She should be held up as an example of how – while the work isn’t finished – there has been progress made in leveling the playing field between races and genders. Perhaps instead of a vertical cliff it is more of a steep hill climb … just so you don’t accuse me of not recognizing that there is more work done to level that playing field. Though we probably wouldn’t agree on the best way level that field.
January 18th, 2006 at 11:20 pmFinally – to the point behind this blog. The Hillary / Plantation issue as justified by the Gingrich /Plantation issue. Neither were the best choice of words. I suspect both were made with a political bent in mind. Right or Wrong … for better or worse … politicians spend part of their time making statements inorder to get attention and to reassure their base that they haven’t forgotten them. And when they start to get close to running for office – they need the publicity. Poorly worded or not, both statements come across to the base as “I haven’t forgotten you and I’m still fighting the other side” and even possibly “Don’t forget to vote for me, I haven’t forgotten you.” And in the present … Hillary is running in 2006 and possibly 2008 … so she really needs the publicity. And if it is free … approved by her base (as implied by the comments listed here) … so much the better for her. And according to FoxNews Alan Colmes this isn’t the first time she’s made the comment … so I suspect she knew how it would play to her base. BTW – he was defending her … for those who think Fox is nothing but a right wing news organization.
January 18th, 2006 at 11:44 pm21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
January 19th, 2006 at 8:48 am22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I agree with Senator Clinton’s “plantation” comment.
Yes, House Representatives and the Senate are the so called Slaves and Bush is master, and do not say anything against the master or his policies. I can see the relation.
January 19th, 2006 at 10:07 amYou know i agree with 189 the bold part. If the only argument you have sounds like “well…you suck!” no one is ever going to listen besides you.
Seems to me that if something is wrong it’s wrong. You do it i do it they do it we do it….Its wrong. The “aha.you do it too, so don’t talk” Doesn’t wash with me. If one can’t admit and see ones own mistakes i think you are headed for failure.It’s even worse when i hear “well it’s ok because you do it more than me” I actually heard someone say that they googled democratic plantation and Republican plantation and concluded that since there are 10 times as many hits for republican plantation republicans are 10 times as wrong. what horse manuer
Seems to me that the term plantation has a slave connotation. Over the top comparisons might sound great at a rally but they only serve after the fact to show that emotions are more important the the actual facts…Shame on anyone who thinks that gets them ahead…Democrat or Republican.
I predict which ever side appears to call the other side the most names….will lose the next presidential election.
January 19th, 2006 at 10:21 amPLEASE nominate Hillary in ‘08 – she is so wonderfully polarizing. Repub coffers will overflow and the montage of her “brilliant” quotes and observations will be icing on the cake!!! Such fun!!!!
January 19th, 2006 at 1:31 pmtheres a good point….anyone think with all his brilliant quotes Newt will win a presidential election??? No?
Sooo if Hilary makes the same kind of comments she’ll be elected becauuuuse????
You and i can say what ever we want…we aren’t running but when elections are close like say presidential elections, its the person who talks about what he/she will be doing not the person who talks about how bad the other guy is.
Hilary will probably win in NY but not much of a feet if the GOP doesn’t nominate anyone. I heard a wise man once say we all have occasion to shoot ourselves in the foot. We all understand. We learn from it accept our mistakes and ove on. But shooting yourself in the foot over and over again to prove its the other guy who shot himself in the foot is lunacy.
January 19th, 2006 at 1:53 pmHillary was right on. She was talking to an audience who really knew what plantation management mentality was from their forebearers, and everyone has heard of the “Bananna-Republican”. For example, if the plantation workers step out of line and don’t do the master’s bidding, then the master sends his whipping boy (Tom DeLay, et.al.) down to the FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, and while the time allotted for voting is extended, forces the slaves to CHANGE thier votes, and THEN lets the clock expire. This is unprecedented for our Democracy, Unprecedented for our Republic, and yes, RUN LIKE A PLANTATION. EAT IT.
January 19th, 2006 at 10:16 pmWhy should Americans vote for a Bush Lover?
Comment by Jay Randal
Then you don’t think we should cast our lot with “Her Filthyness”?
January 20th, 2006 at 2:39 pmHillary was right on. She was talking to an audience who really knew what plantation management mentality was from their forebearers,
Comment by Lars
That’s funny. Those people are so far removed from any concept of slavery except that slavery liberalism has thrust upon them that they wouldn’t know cotton picking from picking their nose.
Hillary took a cheap shot, one of many, timed to coincide with MLK’s birthday and Black History Months & Months and designed to arouse the fever in the mob. Just what we need.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI RIGHT I, you are ignoring the act on the floor of the house where the GOP delayed the end of the vote, twisted arms to change votes then let the clock expire thus winning the bill passage for the Republicans. THAT was a clear example of our Congress being run like a plantation. You could not reply to that, could you ?
January 20th, 2006 at 3:33 pmI RIGHT I, you are ignoring the act on the floor of the house where the GOP delayed the end of the vote, twisted arms to change votes then let the clock expire thus winning the bill passage for the Republicans. THAT was a clear example of our Congress being run like a plantation. You could not reply to that, could you ?
Comment by Lars
So? It’s called hardball. The Donks used to be pretty darn good at it when it was their turn to pitch. I just hate crybabies.
January 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pmNope, its not called “hardball”, its called bribing, bullying, extorting, breaking the rules, abuse of power, and a corrupted power elite, and its LIKE “Running a Plantation”…and you are in denial.
January 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pmNope, its not called “hardballâ€, its called bribing, bullying, extorting, breaking the rules, abuse of power, and a corrupted power elite, and its LIKE “Running a Plantationâ€â€¦and you are in denial.
Comment by Lars
Yep, that’s hardball all right but if the black caucus wants to call it a plantation it’s ok with me. Oh and before you say anything Hillary as you may or may not know is our first black senator from New York.
January 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pm[...] On the same day that Republicans howled over Hillary Clinton’s use of “plantation”, a GOP term of art, President Bush was practicing some plantation politics of his own. [...]
January 28th, 2006 at 5:39 pm[...] “Hillary’s disgraceful pandering” refers to Slick Hillary saying, to a mostly black crowd, that under Republicans the House is being run “like a plantation.” (Reports that Hillary ended her speech by shouting “I’m black, too!” while throwing the “Wu-Tang Clan” hand sign could not be confirmed as of press time.) Truly, an unprecedented outrage. If you are wondering why Tigerhawk is comparing this sadly typical piecw of Hillaria to Trent Lott saying, to an entirely white Republican crowd, that racial segregation could have spared the country a lot of unpleasantness … um, yeah, join the club. Trent Lott was then forced to resign his Majority Leader position because, well, he was embarrassing. Republicans have spent a lot of time and energy searching for an “oh, yeah, well wuddabout …” example to neutralize the Trent Lott embarrassment, and this Hillary business is their latest airball, offending as it did, at last count, some white Republicans in Iowa. And this, along with the Republican re-definition of “racist” as “someone who is mean to Michelle Malkin”, and along with endless other examples, continue to display that – except for occassional, highly awkward team scrimmages with this political football – Republicans just don’t care about issues of race. [...]
January 28th, 2006 at 10:53 pm