Comment by Lars

Yep, that’s hardball all right but if the black caucus wants to call it a plantation it’s ok with me. Oh and before you say anything Hillary as you may or may not know is our first black senator from New York.

Comment by Lars

So? It’s called hardball. The Donks used to be pretty darn good at it when it was their turn to pitch. I just hate crybabies.

Comment by Lars

That’s funny. Those people are so far removed from any concept of slavery except that slavery liberalism has thrust upon them that they wouldn’t know cotton picking from picking their nose.

Hillary took a cheap shot, one of many, timed to coincide with MLK’s birthday and Black History Months & Months and designed to arouse the fever in the mob. Just what we need.

Comment by Jay Randal

Then you don’t think we should cast our lot with “Her Filthyness”?

You and i can say what ever we want…we aren’t running but when elections are close like say presidential elections, its the person who talks about what he/she will be doing not the person who talks about how bad the other guy is.

Hilary will probably win in NY but not much of a feet if the GOP doesn’t nominate anyone. I heard a wise man once say we all have occasion to shoot ourselves in the foot. We all understand. We learn from it accept our mistakes and ove on. But shooting yourself in the foot over and over again to prove its the other guy who shot himself in the foot is lunacy.

Seems to me that if something is wrong it’s wrong. You do it i do it they do it we do it….Its wrong. The “aha.you do it too, so don’t talk” Doesn’t wash with me. If one can’t admit and see ones own mistakes i think you are headed for failure.It’s even worse when i hear “well it’s ok because you do it more than me” I actually heard someone say that they googled democratic plantation and Republican plantation and concluded that since there are 10 times as many hits for republican plantation republicans are 10 times as wrong. what horse manuer

Seems to me that the term plantation has a slave connotation. Over the top comparisons might sound great at a rally but they only serve after the fact to show that emotions are more important the the actual facts…Shame on anyone who thinks that gets them ahead…Democrat or Republican.

I predict which ever side appears to call the other side the most names….will lose the next presidential election.

Yes, House Representatives and the Senate are the so called Slaves and Bush is master, and do not say anything against the master or his policies. I can see the relation.

Now for a few facts that will no doubt have some questioning my parentage, intelligence and making a crude statement punning my signature … primarily because they won’t like what I have to say.

Neither the 2000 nor the 2004 elections were “stolen”.

The 2000 election was a statistical anomaly that has always been possible, i.e. that one candidate will win the popular vote and the other win the Electoral College. The statistical deviation on that is very small and speaks to how divided this nation was then and remains today. And like it or not, the Constitution calls for the Electoral process – not a popular vote. If you don’t like it … then petition your representatives to change it. And just for the record … the guy I voted for lost – a fact that I am very happy about when I watch him these days. At the end of the Clinton presidency (hopefully the only one) VP Gore had some good moments that gave me hope for him, but to see the levels of vitriol he has fallen to makes me sad.

The 2004 charge of a stolen election … I have heard that charge made in context to the Ohio elections where I live. That election went under strict scrutiny by the Secretary of State for Ohio as required by our state Constitution and was certified as valid with the caveat that while there were some cases of questionable practices … they did not amount to enough votes – even if 100% had gone to John Kerry – to swing the state. If you’ll recall it was actually several days before that election was certified because the Secretary of State wanted to make sure he got it right – not my opinion but his public statement on the issue.

But I know you don’t want to hear that. There are those who have gone so far as to imply that since the Secretary of State for Ohio is a Republican – that his certifying the election is a joke. And others have suggested that all of the questionable practices happened in black neighborhoods – implying that if the “black vote” had been counted that Kerry would have won. Just a few more facts: the Secretary of State for Ohio is a Republican … he is also a black man. To imply that his being a Republican for however many years would override his black heritage must be an insult to him and his family. I also know of specific cases where white voters, male white voters – who had been voting in the same place for over a decade, had suddenly fallen off the roll books with no explanation … so the oddities were not contained (or worse directed) at black neighborhoods.

And it is obvious that the majority of voters of Ohio did not have a problem with that certification because the Constitutional Amendment that was put on last years ballot to move the certification from the Secretary of State failed by a wide margin.

Finally to imply that Condi Rice isn’t black because she works for President Bush or because she is a Republican is an insult to a woman who has worked hard to get where she is. She should be held up as an example of how – while the work isn’t finished – there has been progress made in leveling the playing field between races and genders. Perhaps instead of a vertical cliff it is more of a steep hill climb … just so you don’t accuse me of not recognizing that there is more work done to level that playing field. Though we probably wouldn’t agree on the best way level that field.

What good are freedoms if you are dead? You speak in nebulous terms about constitutional freedoms being impinged, but I have yet to hear of any real abuses. We are at war and Presidents do radical things to win wars. FDR imprisoned over 100,000 american citizens with the only solid evidence against them was that they were of the wrong ethnicity.

Lincoln threw dissenters into prison diring the Civil War. To win wars, sometimes you must do some radical things.

BTW, you know about Echelon right? Evidence exists that Clinton used that program to eavesdrop on americans during his time in office as well. You may dispense with your faux outrage towards Bush on this issue, it is purely a partisan disagreement.

Henry David Thoreau

Neither comment was really acceptable. However, one should consider the audience/context when making a judgement as to who was worse. Newt was speaking to a WaPo reporter when he made his statement. It was a very poor choice of words to be sure, an insult to what the slaves on plantations suffered.

Hillary speaking at a church in Harlem on MLK day, clearly trying to play to her audience, trying to inflame racial passions makes her statement reprehensible.