22 high-level retired military leaders
By on Jan 20th, 2006 at 11:37 am
22 high-level retired military leaders
call for McCain’s anti-torture amendment to be “effectively and forcefully implemented,” repudiating Bush’s interpretation.
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Traitors ,swift boat ‘em
January 20th, 2006 at 11:42 amsarcasm off.
Yea but, what about the 1 in 1,000,000,000 case where they only have hours to go before a suspected attack and they have to make the suspected terrorist talk. That example should apply ALWAYS.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:46 amThe Boy King will ignore them. What do they know anyway? Presidentin’ is hard work.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:49 amIf theyserved;
January 20th, 2006 at 11:50 ambehumane;
Else;
torture;
Endif;
Geez, like these people know anything about being Commander in Chief! Don’t they know Bu$h was protecting the Gulf of Mexico from communism in an outdated jet, while they were off playing soldier?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:52 amWon’t be long and we’ll be hearing “We don’t negotiate with terrorists” coming from the other side…
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 amI’m with the Generals and McCain. The administration needs to capitulate on this issue.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 amYou know until you torture a guy you really have no idea how powerful it makes you feel. Ummm, wait, that’s not whayt we torture. Until you torture a guy you really have no idea how good it feels, I mean you never really know what information he does nto know. WHoops, does know. Yes, that’s why we do it!
Anyone notice the hypocracy on trial? The president says we never torture. Then he says whatever we do is legal, implying that no crimes are ever being committed, yet we have sent several soldiers to prison because they tortured, but we don’t torture because everything we do is legal. If it’s all legal whay are they in prison? The only reason I can think of is that they embarrassed the WHite House.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 amLyle,
January 20th, 2006 at 12:01 pmEven when you side with the good guys you still sound like a man with small hands.
#9 – Don’t condemn Lyle just yet. It takes time to throw off the mental constraints that the Republican Party requires of their members.
Lyle, I’m glad you’re not saying “ditto!” to everything that comes from the radical-right. Torture, in any form, debases what True Americans stand for. This is the first step: realize that you may have been lied by the Republican party and their mouth-pieces.
The next steps come easier, but you have to think for yourself and investigate the claims. In fact, investigate the claims that come from BOTH sides, and the ones that come from elsewhere! You’ll soon find that the so-called Republicans are not quite as ‘conservative’ as they paint themselves to be.
January 20th, 2006 at 12:08 pm#2- Call Jack Bauer.
January 20th, 2006 at 12:10 pmWhy did they retire? They can’t handle the military life? They ‘fraid of bin Laden?
They’ll probably all fat like Michael Moore. They’re probably gonna go see Fudgepacker Mountain together adn go to Orvis and buy pup tents.
HA HA HA !!!!!!!!
I am tough. And so is my hero, Commander in Chief “Codpeice” Bush – he’s a real man.
January 20th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#4 HAHAHA is that actionscript?
January 20th, 2006 at 12:19 pm#12 are you joking or retarded?
January 20th, 2006 at 12:21 pm#13 I fear the script in #4 wouldn’t work in Bush’s “processor”, 8086 can’t handle so complicated sentences.
January 20th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#13,
January 20th, 2006 at 12:26 pmNo, it’s gibberish.
#14 – Chris Matthews made an ass out of himself (again) comparing Osama Bin Laden to Michael Moore. Check DKos, by DarkSyde.
January 20th, 2006 at 1:13 pmIf McCain’s amendment actually gets enforced, the next episode of 24 will be very boring. Can you imagine Jack Baur running breathlessly to make it to the FISA courty by the 72 hour deadline? People, don’t tie his hands like that!
January 20th, 2006 at 1:18 pmwhat’s unfortunate is that people only get this bold once they’re out of office and powerless to offer anything of value but criticism…
January 20th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIt’s a good thing the Officers are retired or they would have been immediately. As it is the VA will find some reason to withdraw their retirement. Either play ball with King George the Dumb or the court jester will shove the bat up your ass.
January 20th, 2006 at 1:24 pmJust waterboard junior already.
January 20th, 2006 at 1:31 pm“Won’t be long and we’ll be hearing “We don’t negotiate with terrorists†coming from the other side…”
I think Scotty already used it, Gus. So going by historical precedent, we must be selling them weapons!
January 20th, 2006 at 1:39 pmOnce FREEDOM Has Been Given(Think about this for a Moment),
January 20th, 2006 at 1:44 pmIt Can NEVER Be Taken away.
Give Iraq, Afganistan Freedom. They Need It.
(Listen to your Pres. Bush, If you Dare).
Sarcasm off.
#23 – Are you sure about that? Look at whats happening to our FREEDOM.
January 20th, 2006 at 1:47 pm#17 .. I wonder if MSNBC knows how many people have stoped watching MSNBC purely because of Chris Matthews… I used to watch Chris every night. Now I wont even turn to that channel. I guess when Donnahue disappeared right after being critical of Bushes call for the Iraq war Chris found out that he could be next unless he learned to love Bush.
January 20th, 2006 at 1:52 pmGerald, even if you skip Chris Matthews (and I don’t blame you in the least), stick with Keith Olbermann and Countdown. That’s the only thing worth watching on MSNBC. But make sure you switch the channel quickly after Keith is done, ’cause that Rita Cosby is a total waste of time. She is the worst interviewer that I’ve ever seen!
January 20th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#23 Yes, I’m sure if you look in any history book you will find no example ever in the history of humanity where freedom has been taken away. Is that your assertion?
Or is this more fake patriot Republican circle jerk?
January 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmoops, faulty sarcasm detector here
January 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pm#24. I am Positive about that.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBig Brother cannot force freedom on you.
#27. Yes, That is Exactly what I mean.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:20 pmYou Do NOT Have to Worship “FALSE IDOLS”
January 20th, 2006 at 2:21 pmYou do NOT HAVE TO worship Freedumb.
#27. Except for Criminals that break the Law.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmTo compare Freedom with God is like comparing Bush to Kerry.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:28 pm1 4 star
5 three stars (or Navy Equivalents)
9 two Stars (or Navy Equivalents)
7 One Stars
Hoar is a biggie on the list. All of these people are the equivalent of fortune 500 CEO’s, but Hoar is way way up the ladder.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:28 pmI was Crucified because of Sin. Sin Is free. I am Not.
January 20th, 2006 at 2:30 pmI can Only Forgive You.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/19/flashback-bush-not-concerned-about-bin-laden/trackback/
January 20th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#26 – I second that. Don’t miss Countdown, Gerald, Keith is smart and a gentleman. Chris Matthews (aka Tweety) has gone around the bend. I’ve noticed a definite slur in his voice, maybe he’s hitting the sauce? Rita Cosby — don’t get me started. *head bob*
January 20th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#33 – So Freedom got his daddy to get him a select place in the Air National guard where he had his flight status revoked because he refused to take a physical (probably because when he was young and irresponsible, he was young and irresponsibly snorting the white happy powder), while God was swiftly-boated by people who never served with him during war and never spokw with people who served directly with him.
Wow, what an interesting concept! ;-)
January 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#I was Crucified because of Sin. Sin Is free. I am Not.
I can Only Forgive You.
Comment by Jesus — January 20, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
Was Socrates impious or was he helping others find wisdom? Explain to me sir this impiety. Explain to me this word Eloquent.
January 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pmby eloquent perhaps you mean constantine and the germanic Quell?
January 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pmIn egypt the base of Judeo-christian religion, is the the name on the emerald tablet thoht? and thoht says? Elohim?
is this ir is this not correct?
The was Socrates Eloquent, for he was a Husband man. Socrate states that the flood was 9000 years ago?
Physics goes even further back..
mr ho…did you used to say “freedom is not free”
January 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#25, Gerald,
January 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pmAdd my endorsement of Keith Olbermann’s Countdown on MSNBC. There isn’t much else worth watching on that channel, so I don’t blame you for never tuning in – who’d want to see Scarborough, or Carlson, or Cosby, or that twit Monica Crowley. Matthews used to be better than he has shown us in recent months, and I have grown to despise him. Olbermann is smart, funny, and not a Bush lover.
#37 Zookeeper,
He used to be an alcoholic, but I understand he’s been dry about ten years.
For clarification: Matthews used to be an alcoholic.
January 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pm#43 – Thanks, Marie. Matthews/wagon, hmmm.
January 20th, 2006 at 5:47 pmquote (post #14):
#12 are you joking or retarded?
Comment by catalyst — January 20, 2006 @ 12:21 pm
If #12 really is Chris Matthews, then go with your second answer
January 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmThese retired officers believe that it will be good for American troops, now and in the future, if the McCain amendment on treatment of detainees in U.S. custody is effectively and forcefully implemented. However they haven’t repudiated anything.
Bob Scales is one of the signatories to this letter. He’s a Fox news military analyst who agrees that there are times when extraordinary interrogation methods may be necessary to save lives. Heck, even McCain agrees with that. So the support for the McCain amendment, for many military experts, includes a wink and a nod to some of the more unpleasant necessities of war.
In that sense, they are in complete agreement with the President’s signing statement. The McCain amendment is mainly a propaganda tool that says we will try really hard to be nice, but we still will do whatever it takes to secure battlefied intelligence.
January 20th, 2006 at 6:32 pmDing ding ding ding ding ding. Give that man a prize.
RightPunch, right on the nose again.
We overthrew Saddam because he was kidanpping people (rendition), putting them into prison forever (Gitmo), and torturing them (CIA).
Why do republicans want for America to be like Saddam’s Iraq?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:44 pm#48 – Spudge_Boy ,
January 20th, 2006 at 9:54 pmEgad, you can put logical thoughts together! Did you ever think about a career in Comp Sci?
“22 high-level retired military leaders”
Hmmm, 22 is what percentage of the total number of retired military leaders?
LOL
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmSpudge, no decent patriotic American would compare America to Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:46 pm#51 – USA Patriot,
January 20th, 2006 at 11:47 pmSpudge_Boy is not comparing America to Iraq under Saddam Hussein. He is linking America under W to Iraq in total ciaos.
Walt, your inability to read is noted.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pm#53 – USA Patriot,
January 21st, 2006 at 12:11 amIf you are insinuating that I am not a soothsayer, you are correct. However, I have read Goethe in the original German and Chaucer in Middle English. I have also read the Bible (King James Version) and the Quran (English translation).
#51.
No decent American would countenance the overt human rights abuses, the systematic violations of international law, of military codes of conduct, of twisting and bending the meaning of Constitutional guarantees to the point of meaninglessness, either.
And yet here we are. Where are we going, is the question. I would not be so quick to condemn someone who warns we could be headed for a Saddam-style dictatorship. That person could be a canary in a coal mine.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:21 amJudd,
January 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pmNote the time stamps on 49 – 55. Has EBP engineered a time machine?
I say ban torture it has been for 500 years in Europe
The same torture could be used for torturing american troop captured by the insurgents as they are legallly fighting a battle of occupation… Yes the insurgents have the right to waterboard Americans who could give information to save inncocent Iraqi lives… Although I dissagree with the American Goverment doing the same …
Remember we all incuding Buddhist monks can resort to terrorism when a child of ours has been raped and murdered by a next door neighbour that remains Free …I can bet you anyone would terrorise that next door neighbour
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm