Matthews: “People Misunderstood What I Said Last Night”
Matthews: “People Misunderstood What I Said Last Night”
Last night on Hardball, Chris Matthews said Osama Bin Laden “sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore, if not a Michael Moore.”
Tens of thousands of people visited a website — http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/ — demanding Matthews apologize to Moore.
During tonight’s show, Matthews didn’t apologize. Instead he claimed that he was misunderstood:
MATTHEWS: Why is he doing it? Why is he trying to track what he picks up in the internet and from the media as the lingo of the left in America, like Moore? Why would he start to talk like Moore? People misunderstood what I said last night. I think he’s getting some advice from people, he’s getting some lingo, some wordage that he hears working in the United States about this thing for war profiteers and he’s jumping on every opportunity. Is that what you are saying Joe?
SCARBOROUGH: Listen, if somebody can’t look at the words that Bin Laden said last night and match them up with what Michael Moore said, with what John Kerry said on Face the Nation with he said Americans were terrorizing Iraqi women and children in their homes hat night, which is what Bin Laden in effect said. What Ted Kennedy has been saying. Remember he said after Abu Ghraib that Saddam’s torture chambers were turned over to — chambers were turned over to new management, U.S. troops, that’s the same thing Bin Laden hit on.
Sounds a lot like another smear to me.
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It's not a smear. It's the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:47 pmFuc*ing whores, both of them. I haven't watched Hardball in months and I refuse to tune in again. Matthews has been completely exposed as a shill and an apologist for this administration and the rightwing. Pathetic.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:51 pmJudd,
Quick thing: Shouldn't "Saddam’s torture came bers" read "Saddam’s torture chambers"?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:52 pmThat's unbelieveable. These people still think we should be in Vietnam I guess.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:53 pmBin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 20, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
When I think you cannot surprise me anymore, you outdo yourself.
Care to back up your nonsense with evidence?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pmYea he does buy listening to the TV bush provided to him while he lounges at the ranch waiting to produce next fear tape so that Bush-Cheny-Rove can spin the public discourse from the current embarassment of the republication party.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pmSCARBOROUGH is clearly trying to get his numbers up. Isn't NBC having a hard time with ratings?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:55 pmAnd now he just slathered Ted Kennedy with Abu Ghraib, torture and Bin laden. Is he Chris Robertson or Pat Matthews? It takes a whack job to know one.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:56 pmBin Laden doesn't have to get his 'talking points' from anyone. Especially if the US is bombing places to "soften" targets that they often miss..completely. cough*Pakistan*cough..
the concept of collateral damage is soulless and evil.
it is fuel for recruiting terrorists.
what would all these government gansters say to troops who have served(yet are against the war)..who are STILL serving(yet are against the war)..and have no other financial options but to enlist..(but are against the war).
keep spilling the blood of our youth you devils.
you can't F#&* the world without eventually getting F#*#ed back.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pmTens of thousands on one web address, not to mention how many of us wrote directly to him and MSNBC via Emails, contacted Matthews, and Tweety says we all misunderstood him. He is the one who is in the position of communicator and he says our ears/brains failed us -- arrogant putz! He is a Bushite all right -- never admit an error, right or wrong - always claim right.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pmI could never imagine having to pull my head that far out of my ass.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pm#11 - not only do i come to this site for debunking of government twists on truth (or flat out lies)...
but for comments like yours.
thank you. thank you very much.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:59 pm#6, Clif,
January 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pmHiding in plain sight is a growing consensus.
OBL has put on his Levis, boots and ten-gallon hat, shaved his beard and is hiding out in southwest Texas. Flown here incognito by Bush's Saudi friends.
Gary Ruppert is like Matthews. Both are so full of hate, fear and irrationality that they attack their fellow americans who are good and decent people. Gary, I feel pity for you, and how lost you are. I forgive you and Matthews for your weakness, cowardice and inability to apologize for your failures.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:05 pmMarie - No wonder Bush wants to be on the ranch so much, makes comparing notes so much easier, plus planning so they can raddle their sabers and incite their followers
January 20th, 2006 at 8:07 pmThe trolls get faster and faster. Ruppert comes up number one defending these silly television whores. Well, it's a tough economy and I guess the RNC at least pays the minimum wage. Unless, of course, Ruppert works out of India.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:08 pmMatthews was hoisted on his own petard last night and, as one would expect, he will not admit that he was wrong. Gary Ruppert and Matthews and Ari Fleischer and Don Rumsfeld and a lot of other people on the far right are saying essentially the same thing "watch what you say, watch what you do". These people should educate themselves and purchase Perilous Times- Free Speech in Wartime- From the Sedition Act of 1798 to the War on Terrorism, written by Geoffrey R. Stone, a Professor of Law at the University of Chicago. As the title indicates, going back to 1798 in this country, the government in this country has tried to suppress free speech in this country during war time, a right that Americans have under something in this country called the United States Constitution. This may be shocking to Mr. Ruppert and Mr. Matthews, and others, but Americans are allowed to speak and have their voices heard, even when this country is engaged in war time activities. To repeat, that right is NOT prohibited under the U.S. Constitution. I have checked numerous times and I have been unable to find where the First Amendment has been repealed. Until it has, then the far right would do well to remember that if one tries to restrict the right to speak out, even when this country is at war [which is usually quite often] then the terrorists will realize that their best weapon- fear- will have won out over rational thought and the right ro be free.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmThere ya go Marie, that's what I have been saying. Some of us old crones have got the moxie and the where with all to follow through. Right wingers and men are not the only people who walk softly and pack a big gun. It is a fact women are better shots when they practice, both with their intelect and ammo... Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmBin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
Watch out Gary, some of the liberals here will make some nasty remark about your mother or such in order to get back at you for making horseshit remarks. I mean, a few of them have absolutly no class.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you and I know just how low a few of will sink in order to take a jab at you.
By the way, just how is your mom? She still have that coarse wad of hair in her armpit or did you buy her a shaver for Christmas?
January 20th, 2006 at 8:14 pmSharon, Marie,
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January 20th, 2006 at 8:17 pmThanks, Jay, I will.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:23 pmSorry I was off point everyone. On point, I don't watch this Matthews or who ever bunch. Their just a bunch of lieing right winged screamers. I listen to NPR, some C-Span the internet and my local sound bites. Theres plenty of truth to follow. Note some of these trolls are getting quite upset. Still bringing out ancient history and personal attacks. To bad they have no facts to persuade new recruits, guess they will be a dying breed...LOL...Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWhere did Gary go? As soon as someone asks him to back up his statements with evidence, he's out of here like George Bush at a spelling bee.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWhat a bunch of f#cking assholes. Truly. The f#cking media establishment are a microcosm of the dumbest, most insular and most offensive people in this country.
Here's a revolutionary idea, media jerks - Bin Laden wasn't speaking to America. He was speaking to Muslims, especially in the Middle East. That's Bin Laden's constituency, the people who he wants to recruit to his cause. He isn't all that interested in opinion polls, talking points and other DC political gimmicks. He cares about winning support in the Islamic world.
His latest offering - the so-called "truce", which would inevitably be rejected - has been done by Bin Laden to make himself look reasonable and the one wanting to bring stability to Iraq. You know the Bin Laden tagline of the American infidels trampling all over Muslim lands? THIS IS JUST A F#CKING CONTINUATION OF THE SAME F#CKING STORY; it's me, Osama, who wants to solve your problems. The Americans want to destroy you and your religion.
And every f#cking day we allow Bin Laden's propaganda go virtually unchallenged on the most popular tv station in the Arab world, and worry instead about which party sounds more like the Al-qaeda number 1, we waste our f#cking breath.
And I hate to say it, we make absolutely zero progress in dealing with the threat Al-qaeda still poses.
And I will make one final point in case it isn't quite obvious enough - the reason some people "sound like" Bin Laden is because they too are trying to reach out to the masses in the Middle East, who we want on our side, and not turning into suicide bombers. Of course, Chris Matthews and his idiot squad in the media couldn't in a million years figure this out.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:26 pmI am not certain, but didnt Bin Laden present his speech in Arabic? If so who translated it? Seriously is Matthews this obtuse? He too is a pissed stained carnival barker
January 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pmTrust me, Google: Matthews is a dick. I think the page has a lot to say.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:32 pmosama gets his talking points from the left becuz he isn't real...anyone who believes osama is really doing all these things needs to wake up...puhlease...
January 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmIf Ben Lauden is getting ideas and talking points from anywhere it is from the on going sleeze campaign of the likes of Bush, Rove, Matthews, Scarbrough, Hannity, Gibson, Coulter, O'Beirne, Limpballs and all the rest of the scum that passes for the Neoncon wing of the Republican party. They can all say of themselves...we have met the enemy and it is us. Dems and Progressives have had enough of this crap and it is about time we fight back with every legal means we can. If we shove their words right back down their collective throats, every time they open their poison-filled mouths, maybe they will shut up. If that doesn't work their is always concrete for each of them.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmi'm still waiting on real evidence that osama had anything to do with 911...
January 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pmHere's the thing, the Bin Laden "video" is not authnetic. It's tantamount to the never-ending domestic terrorist threats that we were exposed to in the runup to the last election or the warnings by the administration that Iraq and it's imaginary WMD posed an imminent threat to our "homeland". Blatant fearmongering, fabrications, bullshit. We're supposed to believe that Bin Laden is watching American polling data from his mountain cave. LOL!
Come on, this is about drumming up the fear again to get the American public used to the idea that Iran can't be allowed to go unchecked in their (non)pursuit of nuclear capability.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pmYou know, I'm constantly amazed by how often the Right-Wing is always "misunderstood" Maybe a simple course in communication is called for. Or maybe it's just us "po' ignorant folk" don't get their complicated ideas...
January 20th, 2006 at 8:41 pmKeep in mind - having Bush in office has been one of the best things that could have happened to Bin Laden. He wanted our troops out of Saudi Arabia, he was opposed to Saddam's secular rule of Iraq, he wanted to see Iraq as an Islamic theocracy and he always needs new recruits to his cause.
Bush's war has now put the world at great risk of Iraq becoming a Shiite theocracy - similar to Iran, we've either already pulled our troops out of Saudia Arabia or have, at least, stated we're planning to do so (since we can now base them out of Iraq or some such other nonsensical justification), Saddam is out of power and the things we've done in Iraq have angered and outraged so many in the Middle East that Bin Laden is having NO trouble finding more who want to fight on behalf of Al Qaeda.
What's my point? Well, by making it possible for the right wing to get all up in arms about how Bin Laden sounds just like the Democrats, it'll rally the right-wing base and make them all that much more determined to stay in control of the country. I mean, what more could he ask for than keeping the status quo for as long as possible - it's been so good for him.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:41 pmIn classic form, Matthews and Scarborough use this "misunderstanding" as an opportunity to align more Democrats w/ Bin Laden. The fact that Scarborough goes beyond Matthews to include Kerry and Kennedy is just over-the-top. Those two poodles are downright vicious.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:52 pmThank's for the info Jay. Good point's all......Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:53 pmScarborough is a cartoon character. Does anybody know where a link to MSNBC's ratings can be found? I'd love to know how significant an audience these douchenozzles are garnering.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:56 pmMy letter to Matthews:
"Dear Chris Matthews and the MSNBC Staff,
I have read the many excellent comments at the website http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/
I was disappointed to see that you did not apologize for your remarks on your show today. In fact you seem to have enlisted Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and Rita Cosby to respond to your critics on the blogosphere. In the future, let me recommend that you respond yourself rather than using surrogates. Let me also recommend that you create an open forum for your audience to communicate with you."
January 20th, 2006 at 9:03 pm#1 he may get his talking points from the Dems but he got his weapons and useful recruiting points from the Repubs.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:06 pmLiberals are revealiing themselves as vile hateful children when they are confronted with opinions and facts that they don't agree with. With Judd's encouragement, Powerlineblog gets a bunch of name calling emails. Michelle Malkin is called a kunt in an email from a hysterical liberal. Emailer gets fired from job. Washington Post has to shut down their blog when the ombudsman brings up the fact that Abramoff donated or directed funds to Democrats.
"There were so many personal attacks that the newspaper's staff could not "keep the board clean, there was some pretty filthy stuff," and so the Post shut down comments on the blog, or Web log, said Jim Brady, executive editor of washingtonpost.com."
Now Chrissy Matthews is getting smeared by fanatic liberals.
And look at all the TP bloggers name calling (trolls, terrorists, retard, moron, dumbshit, nazi, etc.) anyone not in lockstep with TP's chopped up quotes, spin, misinformation and lies. It got so bad Judd had to remind his robots of the blog rules. Ryan Neat has even come back here to smear Judd, calls him a prick. Proves that these liberal bloggers are incapable of respectful discussion. Unhinged indeed.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:08 pmEven if Matthews & Scarborough are correct, what relevence does it have that Osama is aping what Moore and Kerry have said? What possible relevence does it have to make that comparsion? Does it mean that every time some enemy of the US makes the same argument as a US citizen, that US citizen should be silenced?
What exactly is Matthews saying here?
January 20th, 2006 at 9:12 pmI'm starting to get the sinking feeling that Matthews comments will simply fuel BushCo's Admin to reign back our rights to comment on the blogs and our free speech. Let's hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, keep speaking the truth.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:17 pmPhinga,
It's called civil war. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the concept and be prepared to fight. Now quit your whining and go somewhere that welcomes lies, misinformation and hypocrisy. Oh and don't let the cookies hitcha in the arse on the way out.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:21 pmHere's what I think is going on. Tweety is using bin Laden who is using Bush.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:21 pm#39 Phinga Beng,
You are overgeneralizing there a bit, Phinga. There's enough bile and hatred on both sides to say the same thing about right-wingers. Euguene Phelps, Pat Robertson, Cheney saying "f*ck off" on the floor of the Senate, swift boat attacks on Kerry and Murtha, whisper campaigns against McCain, hate and lie spewing public relations operatives like Ann Coulter, Mike Savage, Kate O'Biern, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc.
You're painting a caricature with your comments and making broad sweeping statements that don't really hold up. The majority of Americans are moderate and fall some where around the center. Defining all liberals as you have is as wrong as painting all conservatives as racist, jingoistic, religous zealots.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:24 pmt’s not a smear. It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 20, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
show me how so gary.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pmphinga,
January 20th, 2006 at 9:29 pmif they told thew truth there would be no need to correct them. and yes sometimes ther are corrected harshly but when they try to spew the lies they do and act like they are innocent well...how else can you handle "adult children". They must be scolded and unlike real children they should have had this done a long time ago and it takes a lot more stronger language to get it through their deadened skulls.
Secretary of State Rice’s response to the disaster in New Orleans was: “The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time.â€
thus spoke she volumes of her own demise, for she hast brought death unto herself
January 20th, 2006 at 9:30 pmand thru her words death has been cast
January 20th, 2006 at 9:31 pmPhinga Beng, isn't the term fanatic liberal in your world redundant? Please feel free to get a full refund of any fees or surcharges you feel you were wrongly charged for upon entrance into where you are right now. Could you please for the common decency of it all just post something we can read other than just your word for it or sadly enough it will be taken as just YOUR word only. respectful discussion compared to what? Can you remember the Glenn Campbell song: I am A Lineman For The County....
January 20th, 2006 at 9:32 pmWith Judd’s encouragement, Powerlineblog gets a bunch of name calling emails. Michelle Malkin is called a kunt in an email from a hysterical liberal. Emailer gets fired from job. Washington Post has to shut down their blog when the ombudsman brings up the fact that Abramoff donated or directed funds to Democrats.
Comment by Phinga Beng — January 20, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
Wow! Judd was responsible for all that!? Frankly, you sound a little hysterical yourself.
You should stick around: Your fellow conservatives have posted worst comments than any of the things you mention (racial slurs for one).
Now Chrissy Matthews is getting smeared by fanatic liberals.
Smeared? How? Didn't he say that Osama Bin Laden "sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore, if not a Michael Moore."? Is that not true?
And look at all the TP bloggers name calling (trolls, terrorists, retard, moron, dumbshit, nazi, etc.) anyone not in lockstep with TP’s chopped up quotes, spin, misinformation and lies. It got so bad Judd had to remind his robots of the blog rules.
Aah, I love it when people complaint about the name-calling, and then proceed head-on to insult people in this blog.
Ryan Neat has even come back here to smear Judd, calls him a prick. Proves that these liberal bloggers are incapable of respectful discussion. Unhinged indeed.
I repeat myself: You should really read some of the comments your fellow conservatives leave behind, all filled with racist slurs, and insults to everyone in this blog. The angry comments are usually in response to an ad hominem attack by your fellow conservatives.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:36 pmOBL tape = DNC talking points
This is a borderline wingnut conspiracy theory. The wingers are so used to hearing people speak from inside the bubble, that when they hear people from outside the bubble talking about reality, they notice the similarities and immediately assume they must be in cohoots.
Not that I depend on either one as a source for news, understand, but there's probably more that's accurate and truthful in OBL's tapes than in anything that comes out of the mouth of Dick Cheney.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:37 pm"It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party".
Well...it's more Bush does not know and practice being truthful.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmhey ruppert, what - i gotta tell you again?
it's DemocratIC party...no such thing as "democrat party"...
that's twice, now...get smart!
#9 catalyst and #25 dumb fox have it right (not to play favorites)...
January 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmthere's your letter to matthews...
I can hear you through the wine.... I know I need a small vacation
January 20th, 2006 at 9:55 pm[...] Update: Matthews did not apologize. He said he was ‘misunderstood.’ [...]
January 20th, 2006 at 9:57 pmchris matthews is a mule for the republican party. rather than challenge those in power he sucks up to them. this is today's media. corporate media. dems need to start using this phrase "corporate media". we battle not only the republicans but the media that permits them.
mc
January 20th, 2006 at 10:00 pmMichael Moore and OBL do in fact use very similar talking points. Calling Matthews a bunch of juvenile names will not change that fact one iota.
Rather than attacking the messenger, you lefties should worry that you sound like a bunch of hate-filled spokesmen for al Qaeda.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:08 pmMatthews is a Democrat, mike
January 20th, 2006 at 10:08 pmI'd like to see Tweety try to get Olbermann to guest on his program the same way his bitch, Scarborough did tonight.
No, we did not misunderstand. It was heard by us, verbatim.
#36 Jay. A couple of years ago, Little Joey Scarborough whined about Danny Glover doing ads for a phone company because of his opposition to the Iraq war. The company, like all cowards, gave in and replaced him. They should have told Little Joey Shithead to go suck a.... well... it rhymes with block. :)
From now on though, Olbermann will be our voice on MSNBC.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#58 Like Ex Gov. Miller of georgia is a democrat
January 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pmGlover wasn't fired because he's against the war, he was fired becasue he's a racist who hates America.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:15 pmHey, C'mon, let's give up. These were not "talking heads"! Review the tape! They were all "bobbing heads". Why wasn't Olbermann included. I guess because he has ethics. These assholes do not. Fuck it, I'm moving to Canada. I give up!
PeeJ
January 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pmhmmm...now where could Gary have possibly gotten that line?
parrot much?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:18 pmMichael Moore wants to save American lives, Osama Bin Laden wants to take them. I see the similiarities.
Bin Laden believes liberal, progressive values have destroyed the moral fabric of modern society. Moore fights for those same values.
Other than their hatred of George Bush, the two men have nothing in common. The fact that you judge people by their respect for Bush shows how simple-minded you are and how much you clearly would welcome the Bush dictatorship that he will try to install once Alito gets confirmed.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:20 pmHow come everyone was so quick to compare Michael Moore to Osama Bin Laden? Matthews, Hannity and all the other Bush apologists were on this right away furiously spinning this in Bush's favor the exact same way. By the time the tape was shown in America, the entirety of our mainstream media had their talking points lined up. Having watched "Outfoxed", I'm even more convinced that the media gets their talking points directly from the Bush administration.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:25 pmThe big Red Herring here is the perception that Bin Ladens calls for peice with Alqueada are somehow associated with the lefts opposition to what unnecessary war.
Our war with Bin Laden and his followers, those responsible for 911 is real, and just because we leave Iraq, does not mean were not going to keep trying to get him. (well, start trying at least)
January 20th, 2006 at 10:30 pmwhat would all these government gansters say to troops who have served(yet are against the war)..who are STILL serving(yet are against the war)..and have no other financial options but to enlist..(but are against the war).
keep spilling the blood of our youth you devils.
you can’t F#&* the world without eventually getting F#*#ed back.
Comment by catalyst — January 20, 2006 @ 7:57 pm
January 20th, 2006 at 10:32 pmThat IS the BEST COMMENT I HAVE SEEN YET ON T.P.
That is the REAL TRUTH, Thank YOU CATALIST !
#57 5 O'Clock Wally, at it again
Tsk, tsk tsk. You can change your name, but you can't change the nincompoopery.
#58 Wally
January 20th, 2006 at 10:33 pmMore nincompoopery. Chris Matthews is not a Democrat, he's a media poodle. He has been voting for his bank account for some time right now. He was one of the worst in the smear Gore in 2000 campaign.
Notice that the lefties are not even attempting to refute the fact that Moore and OBL sound the same, they're just whining because Matthews dared to point out the obvious.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:33 pm...and M. Duchamp arrives to demonstrate my point. Thank you. LOL
January 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pmMatthews is a democrat? Where did you get that info?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pm#69,
Moore and OBL do NOT sound the same. They both inject their hatred of Bush into their speech, but if you can't get beyond the black and white view of people as either liking Bush or hating Bush you are a truly pathetic human being who deserves to live in a Bush dictatorship where civil rights are a thing of the past.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:37 pmPeople,people,people. Gary Rupert is from Great Britain. Leave it be. America dosnt need Great Britain getting into American Politics. They have their own Politics in Their own Nation(Never could understand them getting involved with Bushes war on terror, the creep Blair)!
January 20th, 2006 at 10:37 pmFight the power, the similarities of the talking points go beyond the shared hatred of President Bush. Moore referring to the terrorists in Iraq as "freedom fighters", for example, was not a comment about the president. It was a statement of support for the enemy.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:40 pm57 - "...Calling Matthews a bunch of juvenile names will not change that fact one iota."
eh? that you wally? sure sounds like you, wally...
January 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pmcall yourself "parrot" now? ...imagine that...
Fight the power is also demonstrating my point nicely. Thank you.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pmThey only sound the same to someone who ignores the stated goals of each, Moore wants to speak truth to power whether GM, GWB, NRA, or others, He wants to empower the citizens of this country, Bin Laden wants to reestablish the chaiph which was broken up after WW1 by the British when they broke up the Ottoman empire and created the current boundries of the current middle east countries.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:44 pmMatthews was not misunderstood. He knew exactly what he was saying. His turn to the right is real disappointing. He failed to mention that OBL should have been captured and/or executed by now. Bush promised us that. Remember "dead or alive"? Matthews also failed to recollect that the 9-11 commission gave his boy D's and F's in his preparation to stop terror attacks. All this is really making me feel safe. OBL's reappearance is proof that Bush is an utter failure in the war on terror. But no, it's Micheal Moore, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry's fault. How low can these rightie creeps go?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmamigos ajos esta malo
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmUSA PATRIOT- You sure don't live by that nickname.
All you do is troll about things you have no experience with. To you, a good black man is someone who would be one of your plantation slaves. With that in mind, you are the racist and you apparently suck up to the corporation's cock.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmthat dude got some weird eyes
January 20th, 2006 at 10:46 pm#70 Wally
What point would that be, Wally? You never make a point, that's the thing. You're here to derail discussions and waste time.
Matthews has been making the rounds at Republican fund-raising events for years. He spoke at a Log Cabin Republican's gathering in New Orleans in April of 2005. He trashed Gore all through the 2000 campaign.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:49 pmJIMBO, calling me names accompishes nothing except making you look foolish. Carry on. LOL
Clif, no one said Moore and OBL have the same goals. The point remains, their statments are very similar.
Incidentally, if Moore wants to speak the truth, why does he lie all the time and make dishonest anti-American propaganda films?
http://www.moorelies.com/
January 20th, 2006 at 10:50 pmi can't believe everyone just accepts this tape of obl to be real....just becuz the cia said so? please, this is a diversion from the pakistani bombing last week.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:54 pmM. Duchamp, you cannot refute a point by simply saying no point was made. How childish.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:56 pmGeoff, the bombing in Pakistan reportedly killed several high-level members of al Qaeda. Why would anyone want to divert attention from that?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:58 pmusa patriot...no bodies have been identified...ppl at the scene have reported its a crap story...a bunch of civilians were killed.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pmI read that Matthews was scheduled to attend a fund raising for Capital Athletics. This was a charity of Jack Abramoff's. This was before the indictment. Due to some type of problem the event was cancelled.
Why isn't anyone reporting this??
January 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pmWell if the goals are different then the statements meanings are different, therefore mattews is disenginous when he claims that Bin Laden sounds like Moore, because they DO NOT have the same goals as Mattews and alot more on the right in this issue would like us to believe. mattews was just using a normal wingnut piece of spintrickery ... point out a percieved similarity and then paint both with the same brush where the claims of both can be dismissed without anyother investigation as to the merits. Bin Laden motives do harm to the citizens of this country where as Moores do not
January 20th, 2006 at 11:02 pmThe tape's probably a fake. But that isn't the point here, the issue that osama made a similar statement as Michael Moore, and it's just more stupid right wing spin. See it don't matter what was said, as much as who says it. If your little sister said "I'm going to kill you if you do that again" is not the same as if Al Capone said it. For cryin out loud.....
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmGeoff, People on the scene denied there were terrorists there? Well, then that settles it! People associating with terrorists never lie! ROFL
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmUSA Patriot,
What do you say we head down to the local recruiting office, you and I, and sign ourselves up for duty. I understand that the military is falling way short of its goals and, well, there's a war on terra that needs a few good men. What do you say Patriot?>
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmClif, again, no one claimed the goals were the same. Stop lying.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:04 pmWell if the goals are different then the statements meanings are different
Good point Clif. Kind of like when Bush said he promised to uphold the constitution at his second inaugural while knowing he was circumventing it.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:05 pmJay, Sure, sounds good. I'll come by and pick you up. What's your address?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:05 pmMLDB, the president has not circumvented the Constitution, like the Democrats do daily.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:06 pmpatriot...so you just believe media reports without any proof when the source is cia and pakistani intelligence agencies? do you think the reporters followed up and verified the information they recieved? rofl...and is al-queda even a real organization? oh yeah...its not...quit playing stupid...
January 20th, 2006 at 11:08 pmUSA...your rhetorical prowess far surpasses mine. I cannot even compete.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:10 pm4 Longfellow Road, Nashua NH. I'll be waiting for you.
The only thing more annoying than a loudmouthed rightwing nitwit that wouldn't understand American foreign policy if it bit him in the ass, is a person so insecure with his love of country that he has to wear it on his sleeve in all facets of life. Don't tell me, you have magentic ribbons on your car alongside your W bumpersticker too right?
As*holes always let you know who they are.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:11 pmHey patroit enlighten me exactly how am I lying
January 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pmNotice that the lefties are not even attempting to refute the fact that Moore and OBL sound the same, they’re just whining because Matthews dared to point out the obvious.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 20, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
The fact that Osama Bin Laden chose to try to divide the nation is not at all surprising, nor is the rights willingness to be sucked in once again by his obvious tactics.
He plays you guys like a cheap banjo.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:14 pmHey wait a minute ole patriot..... I did and you accused me of lying
January 20th, 2006 at 11:16 pmWORLDCANTWAIT.ORG. ANYONE SEE TODAYS AD? THEY ARE GOING AFTER THESE BASTARDS AND I ALMOST BET AFTER FEB 4TH EITHER HEADS ARE GONNA START ROLLING OR MARSHALL LAW WILL BE PUT INTO PLAY. GUARANTEED ITS GONNA GET NASTY FOLKS.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:18 pmWORFEUS...or a guitar
January 20th, 2006 at 11:19 pmIF BUSH WANTS A WAR WITH AMERICANS AS THE ENEMY HE WILL GET AMERICANS AS HIS ENEMY PRONTO.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:19 pm#96, Wally said:
What country/alternate universe do you live in? The executive and legislative branches of the USA has been controlled by Republicans for the last 6 years. The legislative branch, which has been run for 12 years. How can you say that about Dems?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:20 pmWe undestood completely. Matthews is a TOOL. No misunderstanding there. AND GARY RUPPERT aka JEFF GANNON aka Deborah Howell (with wig).
HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!!
I just went to Wa Po and the ACLU has GREAT FUCKING AD's running on NSA SPYING. ITS GREAT TO SEE HOWELL AND BUSH AND THE ACLU TOGETHER......HAHAHAHA.....BILL....HAHAHAH.....Clinton did it...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH..khlkkk
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#88 The event which you were referring to was one Chrissy Matthews did attend. You may have to go to the Daily Kos webblog to find out more.
The mainstream media will never cover it. That's why people like Chrissy Matthews and USA UNPATRIOT are afraid.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:25 pmThey, like the politicians and the assholes at Enron are scums of the earth.
It's gotten to a point where I can no longer listen to Chrism Matthew's, who I might add, grew up right down the road from where I live in Northeast, Philadelphia
At one time Matthew's was in fact a Democrat, and now that he's making over a mill a year at MSNBC he has to play the corporate card. Especially because of the fact that General Electric owns NBC, CNBC and MSNBC and they donated quite a bit of money to the Bush junta.
Matthew's has lost it! And Joe Scarborough? He's a fraud! So too is Rita Cosby who use to work at Fox.
The person I loathe the most is Nora O'Donnel. She has her nose so far up this administrations arse it isn't funny.
Take care all.
Munich
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January 20th, 2006 at 11:30 pmLiberals whine and moan, conservatives document. Here's the side-by-side comparison of Moore's words and OBL's words. The similarities are obvious:
January 20th, 2006 at 11:32 pmhttp://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=110
Well I have to admit I don't share the same opinions of Chris Matthews or Nora Odonnel.
Chris is pretty balanced. I watch Hardball every day, and I see him be pretty hard on the right, particularly the Bush administration.
I don't agree with everything he says, and this recent remark pissed me off but he does some good too.
And Nora? Well, she's just hot.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:36 pmMunich, I second your call on Norah O'Donnell. She's a despicable human being. All of these fraudulent hacks are having a ball with their insider status and their fat paychecks, every one of them laughs all the way to the bank (they deserve what someone is willing to pay them but the don't tell us your a journalist). Of course they are going to have to take responsibility for a HUGE slice of the who killed our democracy pie. History will be very unkind to all of them.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:37 pmLike I said USA Patriot, like a cheap, cheap banjo.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:37 pmOf course, if Bush had unleashed every option on Bin Laden at Tora Bora we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:40 pmWORFEUS,
I respect your opinion but I must admit I'm surprised that you still believe in Matthews. If you haven't already, please take a quick peek at this:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512230005
January 20th, 2006 at 11:40 pmOk Jay. I will take a look.
But Nora's still hot. Really, really hot.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:41 pmSo what are these apologists for Matthews trying to say. That Moore should give up his right as an American to speak his mind because of something Bin Laden says. Isn't this giving in to the terrorists? If that isn't a sign of cowardice, to give up our freedom of speech because of Bin Laden, and to have other Americans telling us to give it up, I don't know what is.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pmOh she's a babe, I'll grant you that, but it's certainly only skin deep.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pmWhy is Osama bin Laden still on the lose?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pm#113 5'OClock Wally, aka USA Patriot
An American citizen (Michael Moore) voicing his opposition to the president of his own country, is not comparable to a murdering terrorist (OBL) voicing opposition to his sworn enemy.
You can't possibly draw this comparison. If OBL used Reagan or Bush rhetoric in a speech, would that mean that they are the same as well? These comparisons that Matthews makes are moronic. He must really think that his audience is a comprised of fools if they believe such things. I won’t defend Michael Moore’s views, because he can be a kook times too -- but I will defend Moore’s right as an American to voice his opposition to the leader of his own country. Sorry Wally, Matthews was waaaaaaay off base.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:47 pmsgiff, Who said Moore should give up his right to speak his America-hating mind? I haven't seen anyone say that.
MLDB is regurgitating baseless myths about Tora Bora.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:49 pmThe Bushies and their cohorts wrote the Bin Laden script. Now does the rightwing echo chamber's comparison of Bin Laden and Moore make more sense?
Mmmmhmmmm.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:50 pmOk, I read thru many of those. Nothing in there changes my opinion. I am fully aware Matthew's loved Bush. He was a Bushite. He voted for Bush in 2000. He drank the Jesus Juice.
But since then he has at timed seemed like a man who wanted his money back. And he is pretty balanced in dishing it out. He is hard on the left of course, he's a righty, but he is also terribly hard on the right on many issues.
And a lot of the things he is picking on the Dems about I agree with. The dems have been pathetic. If it were'nt for men like Daschle and even Kerry, we could have won 2004.
And look at Hillary now.
You may be comfortable applauding such an obvious racially charged carefully planned cheap statement like that, but I am not. She is more than pandering, she is grabbing for air time and making us all look cheap. Meanwhile she tauts the war and panders to the right like Zel Miller in a skirt.
That kind of ranting makes us all look bad.
I think the democrats need to do like Bill did, and cheat on her.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:51 pmUSA Nitwitriot,
I left you a thoughtful response in post #99, with my address and everything so that we could get signed up for duty in Iraq. I feel insulted that you didn't have the nerve to respond. What's up with that? Bwwwaaaak!
January 20th, 2006 at 11:52 pmWORFEUS, Matthews is a liberal Democrat. He worked for Tip O'Neill. Your ignorance is once again noted.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:53 pmJay, Are you waiting by the door? We'll be there soon.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:55 pmAnd of course I condemn comparing democratic talking points to Bin Ladens, sort of.
It depends on the context it is given in.
The right wingers using it to say we are in cohorts or have the same mentality as terrorists are just trolls and pundits trying to turn the fact their ship is sinking back on us.
But to not acknowledge that Bin Laden may be aware of democratic talking points and is trying to divide the country, is just acting like a republican.
Not seeing the forest for the trees.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pm#128 Wally said:
"WORFEUS, Matthews is a liberal Democrat. He worked for Tip O’Neill. Your ignorance is once again noted."
People change. You should know this Wally, as many times as you have you changed your name here, you have yet to get any smarter. It just goes to show, that Wally can change his name, but he can't change his mind.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pmHey USA eunuch
Are you sure it's safe to come out of your duct tapped basement coward, scary terrorist might get ya?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pmM. Duchamp continues to hurl insults rather than attempting to make any sort of argument. Typical.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:58 pmUSA Patriot ; I am fully aware of Matthews former roles, including his time as a speech writer for Democratic President Jimmy Carter.
But in 2000 he voted for Bush. That makes him a Bushite.
Nimrod.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:59 pmWORFEUS,
I used to watch Hardball religiously and I agree that scatterbrain Tweety has given it to both sides and sometimes he'd say things that nobody else was saying that took the GOP to task. I also agree that the Dems are thorouhgly spineless and they deserve much criticism for their lack of courage and complicity on many key issues. Here's the but....next to Russert, Scheiffer and Stephanopolous (and perhaps even more so) Matthews' show is the one that serious political junkies tune in to. He has an obligation to report the truth and CANNOT avoid uncomfortable facts or taking the CRIMINALS to task because he knows them, has a relationship with them, or knows that there would be a price to pay for exposing them. No way. He's covered up for and lied about MAJOR issues and he has too much influence for that type of crap to be tolerated.
No, he's the worst.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:01 amLook eunuch
We don't approve of your "lifestyle" here. You start out f**king the Constitution, but it's only a matter of time till it's chickenhawk eunuch on elephant sex.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:02 amI can certainly see your points Jay.
But then again I watch the O'reilly factor, so to me, Matthews is tame, LoL.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:04 amFair enough, just MHO.
Peace, and good night all.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:05 amNite Jay, and I agree he was really screwed with that last comment.
Michael Moore is a hero to us all, even those who don't know it.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:08 amMichael is a hero to all who hate America and enjoy anti-American propaganda films.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:11 amChris and Joe, lets face it like most of us here on this blog you are no longer dispationate journalists, you are advocates for your particular side of this debate. Like Bill O'Reilly you control the microphone and the message.
The whole thing reminds me of living in the barracks. The guy with the biggest, loudest stereo wins. And I have to hand it to you, you guys have a damn powerful amplifier there. But just because you have outshouted everyone does not mean you have made the most convincing argument or changed anyone's mind.
The most tyrannical of governments are those which make crimes of opinions, for everyone has an inalienable right to his thoughts. -Baruch Spinoza,
January 21st, 2006 at 12:12 amphilosopher (1632-1677)
Patriot thank you thru your link I found a link to the crying blogs from the right about the current comments of Paul Hackett iraqi war veteran who said " The Republican Party has been hijacked by the religious fanatics, that in my opinion, aren't a whole lot different than Osama Bin Laden and a lot of the other religious nuts around the world" the repugs in Ohio shrilling for his apology didn't get it but instead future Sen Hackett said" I saidit. Imeantit. I stand behind it."... so Moore may or may not sound like Bin Laden but we all know actions speak louder than words. Thanks again USA Parrott er I mean patriot
January 21st, 2006 at 12:15 amOsama sounds like an Dem/Liberal because the CIA fabricates the audio tapes! The real Osama might be dead, or stuck in a cave in Pakistan, so our CIA goons just make the stuff up now to help Dubya! It is very obvious, except to those who love Bush and are brain-dead > lol.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 amA little bit of a detour here (but not too much out of the way)...
Since we are discussing comments that have been made by specific individuals, I would like all the rightwingers here to ponder the following quotes. I think you will see that these words support what the Democrats have been saying all along in speaking of G. Bush.
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. The People are the only sure reliance for the preservation of liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson
“Loyalty is the realization that America was born of revolt, flourished in dissent, became great through experimentation. Our tradition is one of protest and revolt, and it is stultifying to celebrate the rebels of the past while we silence the rebels of the
present.†-- Henry Steele, Historian
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official." -- President Theodore Roosevelt
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
-- President Theodore Roosevelt
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.†-- Thomas Paine
So, wally, er, I mean, USA Unpatriot (LOL), and you too, Gary Ruppert. Wadda ya say? Are ol' Tom and Teddy fools?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 amMichael is a hero to all who hate America and enjoy anti-American propaganda films.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:11 am
LOL, you mean like watching pro-American propaganda films? LOL.
Like 24? LOL.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:17 amWhat happens this week on 24?
I know, Jack Bauer must torture a room full of democrats children so he can by 5 more minutes before a terrorist blows up the world, LOL...:D
January 21st, 2006 at 12:19 amI've never seen 24.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 amOr maybe he has to shoot the new leader of CSU in the head so he can get a new peice of information to avert an attack LOL.
Are we learning yet people?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 am#143
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 amNot too much comment about the
Oh you have'nt?
What do you live in Siberia?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:21 amClif, So it's OK for Hackett to make a comparison to OBL, but it's not OK for Matthews to make such a comparison. At least your not hung up on cinsistency. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 12:21 amNo like I said goals not just words
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amI think what he's saying is you were complaining about us complaining, so he showed you some of you guys complainging...:|
Does that help?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amcause now I'm confused.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amWORFEUS, most people haven't seen it. A top rated TV show gets less than 30 million viewers, or less than 10% of the population.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:27 amMichael Moore is a truth teller.
Bin Laden though he is a murderer and has a great hatred for the West has never lied to my knowledge in one of his speeches. He's never had the need to lie. He stated his objectives plainly. He even stated Bush's objectives. He wanted American boots off of what he considers a holy land, Saudi Arabia. George Bush, while lying to the American people saying ,"They hate our freedom" quietly removed those boots from the ground. So much for not negotiating with terrorists. I'm do not agree at all with Bin Laden's methods. I lost one good friend and one family member on "911".
He dosen't need to lie. He's not running for election. BUSH is and has lied, AS POLICY, and used 911 for his own purpose. BUSH continues to lie and expand his powers.
There is a common factor between Bin Laden and Moore. They are not liars. What would either have to lie about? Bush gives them both all they need.
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE BIN LADEN HAS LIED in this latest speech?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:27 amThankfully, Hackett lost. Thankfully, Democrats lose more often than they win.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:28 amWorfeus the site he linked had cherry picked statements o0f Moores linked to statements of Osamas which means each are taken out of context and as any lawyer knows statements out of context canm be twisted to fit different meanings but the underlying goals which are the context are much harded to twist or spin like Mattews et al are doing
January 21st, 2006 at 12:28 amWell it is quite possible that Bin Laden is dead, and the videos we are now looking at were prepared a long time ago to make it look like he is alive.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:29 amMoore lies consistently. President Bush doesn't lie.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:30 amHacket hasn't lost NEXT novembers election unless you are getting memos from Diebold the rest of us don't know about
January 21st, 2006 at 12:30 amClif, stop lying. Matthews didn't say anything about goals.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:31 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:32 amI didn't say he did I said goals give context to words and mattews et all are leaving that out
January 21st, 2006 at 12:32 amI understand Clif.
I see something in Matthews though. I see the same thing in Scarborough. I don't see it in O'reilly though, and I defenitely don't see it in Hannity or Rush Limpballs.
Enemy of my enemy and all that.
Who knows, I could be wrong.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amAh the swiftboating has begun
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amBut if they keep bringing that lot lizard Rita Cosby, I will stop watching.
You can bet on that one.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:32 am
Thats a beaut Patriot.
Why don't you go post that one in a grieving war families blog?
That should go over real well.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:35 amPatriot Oh buy the way Mcvey served in Desert Storm which I served in, Hackertt in the current war so the connection is lost,, but maybe you canswiftboat me with McVey
January 21st, 2006 at 12:35 amOr I know, go into a USMC blog and post that one.
One for Marines returning from Iraq.
I am sure they will be glad the right has a guy like you on their side.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:36 amMatthews said the words were similar, he did not say or imply anything about common goals.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:36 amThe right is on the military's side, the left is not, that is correct WORFEUS.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:37 amRIGHT he left the goals of the two out of the dialoge hoping the words would link the two....but if the goals are included you can see that Osama and Micheal are worlds apart
January 21st, 2006 at 12:38 am"to swiftboat" = "to tell the truth about a liberal."
January 21st, 2006 at 12:38 amFIGHTING DEMS TAKE POINT. WE HAVE YOUR FLANK.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:38 amMoore and OBL aren't far apart.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:39 amI am not sure however Patriot you want to use Mcveigh in your example.
Considering of course Mcveigh was a well known conservative extremist, working closely with the good Rev. Robert Millar the father the fringe Christian Right Elohim City movement Mcveigh believed like so many people killing other people today, that God was on his side.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:40 am#163
Oh yeah? Well, like Bush, Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican president.
Oh, and by the way, ol' TR said the following:
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official.â€
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
January 21st, 2006 at 12:40 amCome on and sling McVey at me but if you do add the fact as to whether or not you are a veteran Patriot.. cause if your not then your comment in #163 and #172 do not jive
January 21st, 2006 at 12:41 amLike I said Clif in my post number 177, unless you're a right wing Christian conservative extremist, then Tim McVeigh is not a good example for you.
He will have to try harder.
He could of course compare McVeigh to himself.
That would work.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:42 am#180 I understand but I want to know if this is another chicken-hawk
January 21st, 2006 at 12:43 ammore like a chicken-sqwauk
January 21st, 2006 at 12:44 amor a chicken-hawk squawking
January 21st, 2006 at 12:45 amLoL
Sorry Clif, did'nt mean to get in the way. I think you sent him runnin though.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:47 amAs we speak he is smashing his keyboard against the wall and kicking his tower case under the desk.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:47 amchicken-hawks done run they waddle
January 21st, 2006 at 12:48 amWC, who announced that there must be no criticism of the president? I haven't ever heard anyone say that. I think you made it up. Liberals tend to make things up.
WOREFEUS, McVeigh was not a Christian conservative.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:48 amWe all already know the answer to your question of him.
It is obvious.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:48 amHow dare Matthews turn on his own kind! LOL!
January 21st, 2006 at 12:50 amAnd I'm still curious how does he know the results for next novembers election since he told me Hackett already lost. I called Hackett Senator, this election not congressman, last election
January 21st, 2006 at 12:51 amWOREFEUS, McVeigh was not a Christian conservative.
Comment by USA Patriot
LOL, it took you 10 minutes to think up that answer?
Yes he was. He belonged to the radically conservative fundemental Christian movement known as Elohim City.
Just read up a little on his partner the good Reverend Robert Millar.
Read and weep that is.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:51 amMichael Moore and Osama have nothing in common, so this GOP spin is just CRAPOLA! Osama most likely passed away a couple years ago, so the CIA just makes up audio tapes now!
Remember that Director Porter Goss, of the CIA, was appointed by Dubya, so the guy kisses-ass, and fabricates!
January 21st, 2006 at 12:51 amAnd BTW, I believe Clif asked you a question a while ago, and is still waiting for an answer.
Something about an MOS or something? A DD214 perhaps?
Something like that.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:53 amMcVeigh was not a Christian conservative.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:53 amguys give them the words keep to the goals, they can't win that one, as we all know words out of context don't mean much. Given all the statements on record, Osama's words could be compared with alot of the repugs and out of context would seem similar, but that is the dirty politics the right has played for years
January 21st, 2006 at 12:54 amThe shame of Chris Matthews...
Yesterday, to be sure, wasn't a good day for MSNBC's Chris Matthews. Nor was it a good day for America. While he's rightly drawing fire for an anti-gay joke made Thursday morning while visiting with Don Imus, what he said...
January 21st, 2006 at 12:56 amWorfeus unlike the repugs if someone tells me their a vet i take them at their word... but since parrott can't tell Desert Storm from Operation Iraqi Freedom, his claim at this time would seem dubious
January 21st, 2006 at 12:57 amI'll release my military records after Kerry releases his. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 12:57 amMcVeigh was not a Christian conservative.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:53 am
LOL. Wow, not just a Troll, but a pathetic troll to boot, LOL.
So after 15 minutes you have reached into your vast depth of knowledge and come up with "no he's not" ?
Wow, you are a towering tribute to the intelligence of the right. Well done.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:58 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:32 am
Wow! wwallace/NoCensorship/who/what is making the rounds here now... still making the same wild accusations.
A lot of people served (and are serving) in Iraq, just like McVeigh. What's your point?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:59 amClif, I didn't confuse Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom, why do you lie all the time? Oh, right, because you're a Democrat, so it's part of the platform.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:00 amOh parrott you've got a military record?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:00 am#1 not a democrat so your wrong there
January 21st, 2006 at 1:02 amGregor, the point is no one's hate-mongering should be excused just because they served in Iraq. Hackett is a jerk; that he served in Iraq is a separate issue.
WORFEUS can't back up his assertion that McVeigh was a Christian conservative, becasue it is untrue.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:02 amI havent' made any "wild accusations", therefore Gregor lied.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:04 amWho is this fool USA Patriot? Anyone with access to a search engine can find out that McVeigh was hanging out at Elohim, a complete wingnut Christian community, for quite some time.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:07 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq, was your statement, since McVeigh was 1st Inf Div soldier and the 1st Inf Div moved into Kuwait not Iraq in Desert Storm your orginakl statement belies the fact that you implied Hackett served alongside McVeigh, but McVeigh didn't militarily ignorane leads me to believe no service
January 21st, 2006 at 1:07 amUSA Patriot —Mighty Sickolite. same ole bark no bite.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:10 amElohim City is not a Christian group, purvis. Your ignorance is noted.
Clif, I didn't say they served together, you moron. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:12 amUSA Patriot —Mighty Sickolite-wwallace/NoCensorship.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:13 amDo you have your 201 posted on the web yet?
No but since McVeigh didn't serve in Iraq but Kuwait your LOL looks like foolish ignorance
January 21st, 2006 at 1:14 amUSA Patriot —Mighty Sickolite wwallace/NoCensorship. same ole bark no bite. cut~n~ paste your dd 214.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:14 amthat is, if you even have one.
I’ll release my military records after Kerry releases his. LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:57 am
Here are some news for you:
WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.
The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.
Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
You can even get them on CD-ROM.
We will be waiting for your military records.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:16 amI guess I'm a moron for volunteering to serve this country on two seperate occasions and made myself more cannon fodder for the chicken-hawks........ right Parrott
January 21st, 2006 at 1:17 amKerry did promise to release his records. He broke that promise. Liberals are just not honest.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:17 amOK parrott ante up
January 21st, 2006 at 1:18 amClif, did you serve with McVeigh?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:18 amAccording to the ADL, "there is no evidence that McVeigh ever traveled to Elohim City"
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Elohim.asp?xpicked=3&item=13
January 21st, 2006 at 1:19 amWORFEUS obviously cannot be trusted.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:20 amNo parrott if his records are on line then as per DOD regulation Kerry had to sign an authorization anybody that has been in the military would know that Right?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:20 amElohim City is a Christian group. They believe in the literal translation of the New Testament, particularly Revalations. They also are zealots. The leader of Elohim City at the time the good REVEREND Robert Millar, a Christian minister.
Get a clue nimrod.
Why do you think he asked for a Catholic Priest at the end to administer last rights?
Go back to the sweat shop and tell them to send I-WRONG-I back.
He was smarter than you.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:20 amElohim is a Biblical name for God.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:21 amUSA Patriot, Michael Moore has a standing reward offered for anyone who can verify any errors in F 9/11. Show us how smart you are and be the first to collect and post a copy of the check. It's been 5 years and not one dollar paid out. By the way, opinions by right wing screach monkeys are not evidence of proof (except of their ignorance).
January 21st, 2006 at 1:21 amElohim City is not a Christian group, purvis. Your ignorance is noted.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:12 am
From the wikipedia:
Elohim City is a private community in Adair County, Oklahoma founded by Richard G. Millar in 1973. Millar, a Canadian immigrant, had moved to the site from Maryland after previously having established a church in Oklahoma during the 1950's. Its' 400 acres are known to be frequented by Christian Identity followers.
Elohim City
USA PAtriot/wwallace/NoCensorship/who/what, your ignorance is noted. Once again.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:21 amAfter renting a Ryder truck that has been linked to the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh telephoned a religious community that preaches white supremacy, but no one there can remember knowing him or talking to him. His only known affiliations are as a registered Republican in his New York days, and as a member of the National Rifle Association while he was in the Army.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:21 amElohim City is not a Christian group.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:22 amNo seperate Division and McVeigh could never have qualified for the MOS I had.. How do I know that .. well the simple fact that he was turned down for the Special Forces and my MOS is harder to get accepted to than the SF
January 21st, 2006 at 1:22 amHis last words were to read William Henley's famous poem, Invictus.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:23 amElohim City is a Christian group.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:24 amKerry did promise to release his records. He broke that promise. Liberals are just not honest.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:17 am
I just posted a link to the news stating Kerry had released his military records. Stop being so intellectually dishonest.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:24 amGregor, "Christian Identity" is Christian like the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" is a democratic republic, you moron. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:24 amRepeating something you want to believe over and over is also not evidence of what you say is true.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:24 amHarder than SF? What the hell did you do?
Don't tell me though if you have to kill me.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:25 amUSA PAtriot/wwallace/NoCensorship/who/what, calling me names won't change the facts that I've posted. LOL.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:25 amRepeating something you want to believe over and over is also not evidence of what you say is true.
Comment by majortom52k — January 21, 2006 @ 1:24 am
Who was that directed to?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:25 amGregor, he didn't release them to the public. Stop being so dishonest.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:26 amGive you a hint Parrott I was a company grade officer and my military speciality was 91E. Since you inferred that you had military records and that you would release them then you'll have no problem figuring what I did
January 21st, 2006 at 1:27 amWORFEUS, for USA Patriot, sorry for not being more specific.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:27 ammajortom, Moore's many lies are well documented. You can start here: http://www.moorelies.com
January 21st, 2006 at 1:27 am"Christian Identity" is Christian like the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" is a democratic republic, you moron. LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:24 am
They consider themselves to be Christians. Are you the arbiter to decide who is Christian and who isnt't, you moron? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:27 amPatriot has got to be the worst troll I have ever seen.
And the laziest.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:27 amI think it's just Bob Novak on his new night job.
They are'nt paying him much over at Fox, so he probably has to moonlight.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:28 amhttp://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/03/29/profile.mcveigh/
January 21st, 2006 at 1:28 amGregor, Are you the arbiter to decide who is Christian and who isn’t, you moron? LOL
And who are you to say North Korea isn't a democracy. It's right there in the name of the country! LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:30 am#187
Why, Tom DeLay himself...
“Well, I think it's not the time to be questioning this president on how he is carrying out the war. George W. Bush, thank God we have him as president right now and thank God that we've got all of the people that he has, really strong individuals that around him, fighting this war…The President’s doing it under great criticism, unfortunately, but hopefully, that criticism will now come to an end, and we we'll all unify and support our troops and support the effort and win the war.†– Rep. Tom DeLay, CNN InsidePolitics 3/19/03
January 21st, 2006 at 1:30 amAh, here's the part where WORFEUS calls me names instead of making an argument. Typical.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:30 amGregor, he didn’t release them to the public. Stop being so dishonest.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:26 am
USA PAtriot/wwallace/NoCensorship/who/what,
I also provided a link to a web site where you can actually buy Kerry's military records on CD-ROM. Stop being so dishonest, and so lazy.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:31 amThat article points out another point that Patriot left out.
McVeigh was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN. LOL.
Like I originally said.
It was a bad comparison to Clif.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:32 amI'll even give you one more hint, I use the name my mother gave me since when I applied for my MOS I had to fill out a request for a top-secret clearance, and fill out a form that was authorization for the FBI to begin a file on me.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:32 amOkay, time to stop feeding the troll. Everything that USA Patriot says is false and will continue to be so. What's the point in arguing with the night shift of the RNC?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:32 amDoctor Clif, I believe Parrot needs Phco treatment. what do you recommend?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:32 amGregor, Are you the arbiter to decide who is Christian and who isn’t, you moron? LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:30 am
I didn't -you did. I merely took their word for it.
And who are you to say North Korea isn’t a democracy. It’s right there in the name of the country! LOL
So you, based on the North Korea example, you feel qualified to determine who's Christian and who isn't?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:33 amAnd I have not called you a name yet. I assigned a possible character flaw, and I hypothosized as to your identity, but I did not call you any names.
Quit your cryin
January 21st, 2006 at 1:33 amPatriot, if what you said about Moore is true, why is it that you and your great patriots have not collected the money? It would seem that it would be the ultimate coup, but then there is that tricky thing about proving your case. I guess it is just easier to claim something than actually prove it.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:33 am#215
Liberals are just not honest.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:17 am
And rightwingers are?
Duke Cunningham, anyone?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:34 amCome on parrott where is your military history, just an MOS or first duty station where you went to Basic... I went to Fort Lenord Wood Missouri
January 21st, 2006 at 1:34 amI went to Ft. Dix, N.J.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:36 amEverything that purvis says is false and will continue to be so.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:36 amFlashback I'm not a doctor, just an old( at least to my daughter) vet.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:36 amWhat’s the point in arguing with the night shift of the RNC?
Comment by purvis ames — January 21, 2006 @ 1:32 am
Because enough liberals roll over. Time to show them the errors of their ways. The truth burns them like holy water on a vampires balls.
They give us so much to work with it's easy to refute their propaganda.
In fact, it's our pleasure.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:37 amCongragulations flashback my brother went there in 79-80
January 21st, 2006 at 1:38 amhttp://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/9241/INFO.HTML
January 21st, 2006 at 1:38 amGregor thinks we should take everything white supremacist groups say at face value. Interesting...
January 21st, 2006 at 1:38 am"why is it that you and your great patriots have not collected the money?"
Because Moore is a fraud.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:39 amThe right wing screach monkeys have a pretty good circle jerk going. Each one makes an outrageous comment with no basis in fact and then another one has them on their program to clear up the misunderstanding. All this does is allow them to expand the lie, smear others in the process and whine about their mistreatment.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:40 amSee how easy that was parrott, flashback went to Ft Dix, I went to Ft Lenord Wood, where'd ya go huh come on you can tell us we're all friends, we won't tell the trolls that your not really a chicken-hawk we can keep your secret . all us vets stick together,
January 21st, 2006 at 1:41 amThe left wing screach monkeys have a pretty good circle jerk going. Each one makes an outrageous comment with no basis in fact and then another one has them on their program to clear up the misunderstanding. All this does is allow them to expand the lie, smear others in the process and whine about their mistreatment.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:41 amThe problem is that the common person does not stop to analyze or examine what motivates or is behind Michael Moore or Bin Laden. The media just responds to any "gotcha" type of rhetoric. If you examine all of Michael Moore's work, he is yearning for patriotism. He is trying to understand what our country is becoming/about and he wants to respect and be proud of it. Even if you judge him as off the map, left extreme, he still wants the country to be just and respected; not to destory it. Bin Laden's motive is revenge for abandonment in Afghanistan in the guise of religuous zeal. The two are simply not comparable in any fashion what so ever.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:41 amMatthews is dead wrong about Moore, Kennedy and Kerry. These American statesman are standing up for the proud American values that make us strong. Bush has degraded our country and our position of leadership in the free world. We never in the past had a President that based on false reasons invaded another country. We never had a President that blundered a war in such a bad way as Bush. Bush played right into the hands of Osama Bin Laden with his invasion of Iraq instead of keeping up the war on terror and now we have a free Osama Bin Laden and with our invasion of Iraq we have given Osama Bin Laden thousands of new fighters. Bush is not capable of understanding the situation and lives in a fantasy world. Thanks to Bush people no longer look to us in America to see what is the right way for a country to function. These are dark times for us in America.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:41 amWhile at Fort Riley, McVeigh reenlisted in the Army. He aspired to be a member of the Special Forces and in 1990 was accepted into a 3-week school to assess his potential for joining that elite unit. He had barely begun to prepare himself physically for Special Forces training when, in January 1991, the 1st Infantry Division was sent to participate in the Persian Gulf War. As a gunnery sergeant, McVeigh was in action during late February, 1991. Pursuing his desire of joining the Special Forces, he left the Persian Gulf theater early and went to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he took a battery of IQ, personality and aptitude tests to qualify for Special Forces. However, his participation in the Persian Gulf War had left him no time to prepare himself physically for the demands of Special Forces training. McVeigh was unable to endure a 90-minute march with a 45-pound pack, and he withdrew from the program after two days.
This disappointing experience left him facing years of active service due to his reenlistment at Fort Riley. The Army was downsizing however, and after 3 1/2 years of service, McVeigh took the offer of an early discharge and got out of the military in the fall of 1991.
By January 1992, at age 24, McVeigh was back where he had started, living with his father in Pendleton, New York, driving an old car and working as a security guard.
In January 1993 McVeigh left Pendleton, and began to travel, moving himself and his belongings about in a series of battered old cars. He lived in cheap motels and trailer parks, but also stayed with two Army buddies, Michael Fortier in Kingman, Arizona, and Terry Nichols in Decker, Michigan.
McVeigh traveled to Waco, Texas during the March-April 1993 standoff between the Branch Davidians and federal agents, and was said to have been angry about what he saw. He sold firearms at a gun show in Arizona and was heard to remark on one weapon's ability to shoot down an ATF helicopter.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amClif, I'm a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as far as you know. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amIf you play the Bin Laden tape backwards it says, "divide and conquer" over and over again.
-GSD
January 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amGregor thinks we should take everything white supremacist groups say at face value. Interesting…
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:38 am
Well, yeah... when they say "we are superior", I take it at face value that they, indeed, believe to be superior.
When they say "we will rid the world of all non-Whites", I take it at face value that -given the opportunity- they will.
When they say "this is God's will" I take it at face value that they think it is.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:42 amPatriot, that does not answer the question. Deep down you know the real answer, you cannot prove any falsehoods by Moore.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:43 amTo Patriot, let me explain. Elhoim City was run by the Reverend Robert Millar.
Reverend is a Christian term.
But fine, you want to defend McVeigh, and the radical Christians who supported him? Ok.
But there is no getting around the fact that he was a registered Republican.
So like I said earlier, comparing him to Clif, who appears to be somewhat liberal, did not work.
He was one of your boys.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:44 amAnother good Republican who believed God wanted him to kill people.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:45 amSo Gregor, if the Norks believe they're a democratic republic, does that make them a democratic republic? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:46 amThere's no evidence McVeigh even believed in God.
WORFEUS must believe North Korea is a democratic republic also. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:47 amSo Gregor, if the Norks believe they’re a democratic republic, does that make them a democratic republic? LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:46 am
I must be psychic because I saw this one coming.
You are comparing pears and aples. The real question is: Who are you to decide someone else's religious beliefs are false?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:48 amPerhaps not EX-PATRIOT
But registering oneself into the Republican party does make one a Republican.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:48 amIt would seem that Bush and Osama have something in common. Each one said their God told them to kill people.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:49 amGregor, who are you to decide someone else's religious beliefs are not false? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:50 amThere’s no evidence McVeigh even believed in God.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:47 am
I think the Gold Cross around his neck, and the fact that he asked for a Catholic Priest to administer his last rights, is a pretty good sign he not only believed in God, but in Christ as well.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:51 amCome on Gen Parrott you'd be able to figure out what I did in the military and who I am given your present assignment I'm sure very few company grade officers in my MOS was a former enlisted soldier who went thru Basis, I was waiting for you to call me on basic training which is for enlisted troop nat Basic Officer Training which is where new second lieutenants go, a general like you must have seen it in an instant
January 21st, 2006 at 1:52 amI believe North Korea is a democratic republic also, Here is a Hint for you. Democrats,unlike repug thugs, actually try to take care of thier own. something even the military understands.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:53 amrepugs are only out for power,knowledge,God, riches, blessings.
WORFEUS, Yes, and?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:54 amby the way, Jesus was more Democrat than Repug.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:54 amJesus rode in on a Donkey, Not an Elephant.
Gregor, who are you to decide someone else’s religious beliefs are not false? LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:50 am
I haven't said one way or another. You were the one who posted this: Elohim City is not a Christian group, purvis. even though you wre pointed out that it was founded and headed by a reverend and is a Chistian identity group.
So, answer a simple question: How can you determine who is and isn't a Christian?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:55 amEveryone who talks to a priest is a Christian? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:55 amGregor, Standard Christian doctrine is not a secret. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:56 amCome on Gen Parrott, a mighty gen like you claimed to be should easily put a company grade officer in his place, I mean you said 'Clif, I'm a member of the Joint Chief of Staff for all you know"
January 21st, 2006 at 1:56 amGregor, how do you know North Korea is not a democratic republic? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:57 amEveryone who talks to a priest is a Christian? LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:55 am
uhhh...Atheists don't usually ask for the last rights from a Catholic genius.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:58 amParrott your evasion about your true military status is revealing
January 21st, 2006 at 1:58 amAnd they don't wear crosses.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:58 amTry not to speak.....:|
January 21st, 2006 at 1:59 amEveryone who talks to a priest is a Christian? LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:55 am
Tim McVeigh didn't just talk to a priest, he received the last rites:
Strapped to a gurney, McVeigh asked to see a priest.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:59 amThe Bureau of Prisons says McVeigh received the sacrament called the Anointing of the Sick by an unidentified prison chaplain.
That sacrament includes a confession and absolution of sins.
Susan Candiotti: McVeigh changed mind and was given last rites
Can we call someone for you?
January 21st, 2006 at 1:59 amWORFEUS, who said he was an atheist? Lots of non-Christians are not atheists. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 1:59 amHe also was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:00 amOk, I know you just fell off the turnip truck yesterday, but Catholics are Christians.
Schmuck.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:01 amCongress could outlaw sex and GOP apologists wouldn't even be able to get it up for a peaceful protest.
Nothing surprises me anymore, and I'm sure only the Republicans will be surprised when it all ends.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:01 amBesides Parrott no general worth his stars would take insibordination like I've shown for you even through the web, he'd at least try and demand respect for his rank, and since you didn't up to now i know your non Staff material
January 21st, 2006 at 2:01 am"McVeigh's last public act before he was executed was to distribute copies of the 1875 poem "Invictus." It begins: "I thank whatever gods may be/ for my unconquerable soul," and ends "I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul""
Those are not Christian ideas at all.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:02 amMuslims and Jews usually pass on the last rights from a Catholic Preist.
And I have never known one to wear a gold cross around his neck.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:02 am"In a letter to the Buffalo News and in conversations with author Dan Herbeck, McVeigh said he had no firm convictions about an afterlife: "And he told us that when he finds out if there's an afterlife, he will improvise, adapt and overcome, just like they taught him in the Army," Herbeck said."
January 21st, 2006 at 2:03 amMe thinks he Ignores me too much.... silence sometimes is louder than words
January 21st, 2006 at 2:05 amBrilliant deduction. However Williams poem was the struggle of a former Christian coming to grips with his own independence from God.
I quoted it above if you would read my posts.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:05 amHold your horses, Clif, I'm doing a tracert.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:06 amAsking for last rights would seem to indicate he decided there was an afterlife.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:06 amA "former Christian" is not a Christian, genius. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:07 amsorry clif,but,its insubordination. art ?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:07 amyou have to spell right for parrot. he/she might not even know what that word means. so he/she wpuld have to search the definition,lmaoaUSAPARROT.
Come on if you had the time toi type that you had the time to type your Basic Training or Basic Officer station, it wouldn't have taken any longer, but looking up locations for Basic is a bit of a give away
January 21st, 2006 at 2:08 am"Asking for last rights would seem to indicate he decided there was an afterlife."
Or he was terrified on the table and decided to hedge his bets.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:08 amBut you're right Clif.
Patriot is a bottom of the barrel troll.
His responses are simply, no he's not, or that's wrong.
Hard to argue with an idiot.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:08 amSorry but due to a minor head injury from the gulf war I sometimes have trouble typing
January 21st, 2006 at 2:09 amIt's clearly hard for WORFEUS to argue, period. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:10 amA minor head injury? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:10 amPatriot, I will say this one last time.
The last rights of a Catholic Priest is a very specific, religous ordinance that is for a repentent Catholic upon death.
It is not for a Muslim. It is not for a Jew. It is for those who confess Jesus is Christ, and accept him as their savior.
Your a waste of time.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:11 amWORFEUS, or it's for an agnostic who decides to hedge his bets on the execution table. You haven't begun to establish any relevance to anything you've posted.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:13 amunderstandable. had a soldier blow qtr of his head off burning down guardshacks. might that be you?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:13 ampetratomy. cant remember exactly how to spell name.
Yes it is part of the reason for the military to declare me no longer deployable and therefore physically no longer capabile for military service, lost a 13 year career However the VA declared me 100% disabled so I am compinsated but I'd trade that for my health
January 21st, 2006 at 2:14 amHow would he know that hedging his bets would do him any good if he was not a christian? But then a lot of right wing wackos turn to God and confess their sins at the end, like David Stockman.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:15 amNo flashback I got injured destroying captured Iraqi equipment and munitions
January 21st, 2006 at 2:15 amUSA Patriot —A minor head injury? Is NOT A Laughing matter. That is Disrespect of the HIGHEST FORM.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:16 am(Purple Bandage)
Now you understand why military frown at Rethugs.
Just because someone says Minor dosnt mean it IS minor. something a non-soldier would never understand.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:17 amI do believe USPARROT OWES AN APOLOGY TO CLIFF.
WORFEUS, or it’s for an agnostic who decides to hedge his bets on the execution table.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:13 am
This line of argumentation is really ridiculous.
By this logic, even the Pope might be an agnostic hedging his bets.
You haven’t begun to establish any relevance to anything you’ve posted.
Oh, this is soo rich coming from you...
January 21st, 2006 at 2:18 amI did X-Patriot, you're just too thick to admit it.
You compared Clif to McVeigh, and I pointed out how inappropriate the association was, as he was closer to your philosophy.
You were trounced with him being a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, but like I said, too thick to get it.
You're a waste of time.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:19 amGregor, insulting me won't change the fact of your strange views about North Korea. LOL
I'll bet you thought the Soviet Union was a republic too. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:19 amFlashback his disrespece shows he never served because those that did never make fun in any way of a vets injury, and btw no purple heart because it was our action and the regulation only allows a purple heart for actions of an enemy. Those who earned them deserve them and all our respect, I never earned one
January 21st, 2006 at 2:19 amWORFEUS, so then by your standard, you're a Democrat like the Unabomber. LOL
You still haven't explained how McVeigh registering as a Republican many years before he served with Clif in Desert Storm is relevant.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:22 amGregor, insulting me won’t change the fact of your strange views about North Korea. LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:19 am
How did I insult you?
What strange views? Those are only in your imagination, as I told you that you were comparing pears and apples.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:22 amIncidentally, WORFEUS lied. I have never compared Clif to McVeigh.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:23 amSorry to hear that Cliff. We hadGIs Accidentally injecting themselves with Iraqi Atropine needles.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:23 amthe sm i was reffering to was instructed to burn down the Guardshacks as we were redeploying. Well, He poured mogas on the shacks. didnt have any matches , so he had to go finds some. after returning to the shack(the Gas became airborne) he went to strike a match, the entire shack blew up, taking out his right side forehead, docs say he was lucky he survived. had a steel plate inserted where his skull was MIA.
The head injury did not by itself cause me to be released, but because I breathed toxic oil smoke from the end of february until late may my lungs are not up to par, that combined with the head injury caused the Army to medically discharge me
January 21st, 2006 at 2:23 amRelevant to what you nimrod?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:24 amGregor, I compared apples to apples.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:24 amWORFEUS, your admission of your own irrelevance is noted. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:25 amParrott by saying I served with McVeigh is a slight whether you know it or not, because to tell someone you served with another solider it means they were in the same outfit, McVeigh was in a different division than I was, your lack of military knowledge is showing.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:27 amIncidentally, WORFEUS lied. I have never compared Clif to McVeigh.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:23 am
Clif, did you serve with McVeigh?
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 1:18 am
January 21st, 2006 at 2:27 amUSA Patriot
January 21st, 2006 at 2:27 amI couldn't help noticing you accusing "liberals" of name calling, and then about five posts later call Danny Glover a racist who hates America. Spoken like a true follower. Your comments are funny and sad at the same time, as you obviously have invested a great deal of your energy in your self delusion.
HAU.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:27 amnite all. must leave. later ,if we are still around to talk.
Gregor, I compared apples to apples.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:24 am
You did -I asked you how you could determine who was a Christian and who wasn't, given that Elohim City describe themselves as Christians. You went from there to North Korea, and then to the Soviet Union. Complete non sequiturs and comparing pears and apples.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:27 amThis is not a comparison: "Clif, did you serve with McVeigh?"
Clearly, WORFEUS is illiterate. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:28 amI did X-Patriot, you’re just too thick to admit it.
You compared Clif to McVeigh, and I pointed out how inappropriate the association was, as he was closer to your philosophy.
You were trounced with him being a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, but like I said, too thick to get it.
You’re a waste of time.
I bet your momma's still cryin.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:28 amFor those who understand this will be self evident my PT before feb 1991 was 285 after june 1991 no score breathing condition
January 21st, 2006 at 2:29 amGregor, you're arguing a group's self-description must be accepted at face value. It's an idiotic argument, but that's what your saying.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:29 amWell, I guess it's appropriate Gregor chose an idiotic argument, since he's arguing with an idiot.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:32 amThanks WORFEUS -couldn't have said it better myself ;-)
January 21st, 2006 at 2:33 amgetplaning, but Glover is a racist and hates America.
WORFEUS is a Democrat, like the Unabomber and John Wayne Gacy. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:33 amRight, I forced Gregor to make an idiotic argument. ROFL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:34 amGregor, you’re arguing a group’s self-description must be accepted at face value. It’s an idiotic argument, but that’s what your saying.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:29 am
*sigh* again, we are talking about religion. About matters of faith. How do you determine whose faith is the true faith, and how do you make the call?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:34 amParrott your great at throwing your feces bombs at people but can't find the time to acknowledge your a chicken-hawk...whats the matter embarassed
January 21st, 2006 at 2:35 amI never said anything of the sort. I merely pointed out that your association of Clif with McVeigh was better suited to you, being as YOU'RE BOTH IN THE SAME PARTY I would say that point was well made, oh.....bout an hour ago.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:35 amNimrod.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:36 amGregor, I already answered that question.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:36 amYea Gregor, he already told you one lie. How many do you want?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:37 amWORFEUS is best associated with his fellow Democrat, John Wayne Gacy. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:37 amBawk bawk bawk by parrott
January 21st, 2006 at 2:37 amGregor, I already answered that question.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:36 am
No you haven't -there is no such thing as a "standard" Christian doctrine. Unless now you want to argue that all Christian denominations recognise the Pope as Saint Peter's rightful heir.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:38 amI never lie. I'm not a liberal like WORFEUS and the Unabomber. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:38 amYea, too bad WORFEUS ain't a democrat.
Get a job.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:38 am"there is no such thing as a “standard†Christian doctrine."
Of course there is. What an ignorant, idiotic comment.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:39 amHe has one slimming vets who disagree with the wingnut view, with all the vets coming back from Iraq and running as democrats Karl has been hiring, he's just practicing here
January 21st, 2006 at 2:41 amWell parrott tell me what ti is eastern orthidox, catholic, southern baptist, mormom, where is the standard
January 21st, 2006 at 2:43 amClif, will you admit you're a Democrat, or will you lie and deny it, like WORFEUS did? LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 2:43 amChristianity is a widely sectarian religion, with no centralized dogma or Philosophy.
In fact, there are thousands of Christian sects in the world, each with it's own creeds, dogmas doctrines etc.
In fact, there is one Christian Sect in China that believes Christ was a Women.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:44 amAll ready told you I'm not registered independant was going to vote for McCain in 2000 but after the swiftboating of McCains record in south carolina couldn'd vote for bush and his cronies.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:45 amOr how about the Moonies, where recently many leaders of the Republican party attended an event in Baltimore MD where Rev Moon was annointed the MESSIAH, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
You really are your own worst enemy Patriot.
You should quit while you're behind.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:47 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_re_as/un_pakistan_al_qaida
January 21st, 2006 at 2:48 amMcCain would have been a great president, woulkdn't have let Osama get away of course he also wouldn't have put up with the incompetance of Rumsfeld, wolfowitz feith at Defence or Tenent at CIA
January 21st, 2006 at 2:49 amOf course the Nazi's were Christians.
Mein Kampf, or "My Battle" was chocked full of good Christian values, like condemnation for pre marital sex and homosexuality.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:49 amHell the Irish and british are both christians so they had nothing to fight over
January 21st, 2006 at 2:50 amReal patriots don't need to give themselves ridiculous titles like "USA Patriot" to show how much they love their country. Patriotism is in what you say and what you do, not some badge you pin to your chest.
It's crystal-clear who the real patriots are on this forum. You just don't measure up, USA Assclown.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:52 amWatch out guys Parrott is duct taping hisself in again thats why no reply
January 21st, 2006 at 2:53 amHe heard bin Laden released another tape, so he's hiding under the bed again.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:54 amWith his teddy bear
January 21st, 2006 at 2:55 amOf course there is. What an ignorant, idiotic comment.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 2:39 am
No there isn't. There are aspects of the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine that are accepted by other Churches. For example, Papal Infallibility is not accepted by any other Christian denomination.
There are other fine theological points that not all Christian denominations agree on. Here is an example of disagreement on something as fundamental as the Holy Trinity, where the Eastern Orthodox Church considers the Catholic belief a heresy:
Therefore, as reflected in the filioque clause inserted into the Nicene Creed by the Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is said to proceed from both the Father "and the Son". (...) The Eastern Orthodox church holds that the filioque clause, i.e., the added words "and the Son" (in Latin, filioque), constitutes heresy, or at least profound error.
Trinity
If by "doctrine" you mean the central tenets, e.g., Jesus as the saviour, the virgin birth, etc., then yes, that is (almost) standard. But there are huge differences in religious rituals, Biblical interpretation, etc. Well, even the Protestant and the Catholic Bibles are different.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:55 amCome on troll, WORFEUS is just getting warmed up.
Better put another pot of coffee on.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:55 amBut he might be crying to his mommy the big bad bloggers are picking on him again
January 21st, 2006 at 2:57 amTypo:
"There are aspects of the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine that are accepted by other Churches. "
should read
"There are aspects of the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine that are not accepted by other Churches."
January 21st, 2006 at 2:57 amWhat, don't we even get a "Well, I won this debate so now I'm leaving" post before you go cry yourself to sleep, USA Patriot?
January 21st, 2006 at 2:57 amNo repugs slink off after they lose so they never have to admit it
January 21st, 2006 at 3:00 amGregor, it goes even much deeper than that.
I know you know this but apparently Adam Swapp there does'nt.
Protestants and Catholics alone represent a wide diversity of beliefs, on everything from the nature of the holy trinity, to the physical ressurection of the body, to the very requirements for entrance into the kingdom of Heaven.
They even disagree on what constitutes Heaven, Hell and everything in between.
They disagree on the Apostasy and the continuation of the Priesthood, they disagree on the worshiping of God, they disagree on the nature of divinty service, they disagree on what constitutes sin, and on and on.
And then of course there are volumes of disagreements withing the Protestant divisions themselves, and then of course theres the fringe, the Quakers, Mennonites, the Amish, the Mormons, The Scientists, the Jesuits, blah blah blah.
I could go on this one for a while.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:02 amSo, no whiny final post claiming "victory," USA Crybaby? I'm disappointed.
I guess it's troll-rating time, then, folks. I'd give him a 4, but only for his longevity. No originality or snappy comebacks at all, but at least he did hang in there for a couple hundred posts.
And the scores from the other judges?
January 21st, 2006 at 3:04 amThat's a 4 on a scale of 1-10, by the way.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:04 amI give him a minus 5.
He was redundant, posted almost no data, and made no argument. His middle school quality taunts and "I know you are but what am I's" left an empty, almost metallic taste in this judges mouth.
MINUS 5!
January 21st, 2006 at 3:06 amWorfeus,
Absolutely. I agree. I just wante to give USA Patriot/wwallace/NoCensorship a little taste.
I didn't even want to get into the sacraments and the misteries... too much for one night.
Maybe wwallace has never run into someone from a different denomination? Is that possible?
January 21st, 2006 at 3:06 amIf you give him a 4 you must deduct points for lack of style, I mean reposting the same baseless claims and insults for over two hours, come on longevity without style is boring, he only get a 1.5 from me
January 21st, 2006 at 3:06 amI think the Right Wing has secretly developed a robot troll.
Just a handful of simple canned responses, accompanied by occasional human input for that real feeling.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:07 amI feel generous tonight. I give him a 1.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:08 amSECRET GOVERNMENT CYBERNETIC EXPERIMENT
Code name?
PATRIOT.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:09 amWell guys... It's been fun, but I need to get some rest.
Good night all.
Worfeus -that was funny ;-)
January 21st, 2006 at 3:11 amAt least we have an idea of his dreams if he had the testiculer fortitude to join, by his post about the JCS
January 21st, 2006 at 3:12 amMee too. I'm out. Night Gregor.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
January 21st, 2006 at 3:13 amLOL, true Clif.
Have a good one.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:14 amTake care you all,
January 21st, 2006 at 3:18 am"In America’s fallible pursuit to find its Imperial feet across the oil-laden countries of the world, the rhetoric of the Religious Right says the United States is a “Christian Nation.
Theirs is a world of lies and deceit with an orgy of biblical idolatry and historical fabrications toward the quest for an apocalyptic utopia.
These so-called guardians of “truth†demand of us, the citizenry, the moral absolutism they are unable to follow themselves. Nevertheless, these charlatans repetitively claim to be the high-watermark of moral character in government, presumptuously waiting for a vacancy in the Trinity.
To the casual observer, such malfunctions are plainly sad. The real agenda of the Religious Right however, is far more sinister, by attempting to cloak their lust of death, disease and destruction, behind a mask of virtue.
In truth, the Religious Right is neither. They are Opportunists, Profiteers and Pirates, who use religion like a prostitute uses a streetlamp--as something to lean against, instead of illumination."
Stacey Tallitsch
January 21st, 2006 at 3:41 amBare Naked Truth
"The christian coalition sued for unpaid bill" by Julia Duin the WASHINGTON TIMES Janurary 20 2006 (no not the washington post), oh how far they have fallen now that Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed don't need them as fronts anymore.
"One thousand people attended its September 2004 conference but ita founder, the Rev. Pat Robertson, skipped the event.
On its 2004 tax return, the coalition listed a $2.2 million debt."
-Move on nothing to see here .. move on-
ya think the wingnuts will drop similar bombs on other religious folks, or maybe they look at the truly religious the same way JACK (abram)OFF did the indians
January 21st, 2006 at 4:17 amWASHINGTON (AFP) - Iraq's national security adviser complained bitterly in an interview published about secret US contacts with Iraqi insurgents,warning that the "policy of appeasement" would undermine security.
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National Security Adviser Mowaffak Rubaie told the Washington Times that the contacts with so-called Iraqi "rejectionists" were being carried out behind the back of the Shiite-dominated government.
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Asked about Rubaie's charges, a Pentagon spokesman would not comment directly on whether contacts were being pursued with Sunnis associated with the insurgency.
"It's my understanding that the coalition is involved in reaching out to influential community leaders across Iraq to address legitimate concerns of the people and to urge people to participate in a peaceful political process," said Bryan Whitman.
"I can tell you that we do not engage with (Abu Musab al-) Zarqawi or al-Qaeda in Iraq, pro-Saddamists, criminals, foreign fighters -- that is not the type of engagement that we're talking about," he said.
But on whether there have been contacts with other insurgents, he said, "It depends on how you characterize or categorize people."
Rubaie argued in the interview that any deal with the insurgents "will worsen our security position."
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"We believe in ballot boxes. They believe in bullets," he said
"I repeat: Any policy of appeasement is a fatal mistake. It makes them misinterpret their opponents' actions as coming from a position of weakness," he said.
Deja vu' all over again.
So, Bush takes a page from the Reagan playbook; saying he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" while he does just that. What will George's defense be? He can't use the "alzheimers' defense" like Reagan did. His followers won't accept that he was "out of the loop" like dear old dad during Iran/Contra, or that their "godly" president was talking with the same bastards who (they believe) caused 9/11.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:15 amI smell Dick Cheney's foul spoor - wasn't he Reagan's SEC. DEF. the first time they got caught doing this?
No he was bush's daddy's Sec of Def, and Gerald Fords assistant Chief of Staff under Donald Rumsfeld, when rummy moved to Sec of Def for Ford, Cheny was promoted to Chief of Staff, Rummy however had the job of cheif supplier of arms to Sadam in 1983 during the Reagan-Bush41 aid to Iraq for the Iraqi side in the Iraq - Iran war 1980-1988, about the same tiome Casey and Ollie north were selling arms to Iran, see these repugs know how to make money.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:31 am“If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.â€
George W. Bush, October 3, 2000
January 21st, 2006 at 5:39 amYou know bush doesn't really didn't mean what he says,
like wanted dead or alive,
I don't do nation building,
but I guess he learned it from his daddy
remember no new taxes,
damn shame the repugs don't hold their political hacks to account any more... they just spin-lie to cover-up
January 21st, 2006 at 5:53 amDick Cheney recently paid a visit to Saudi Arabia, shortly after a visit from Islamic Cleric Al Sadr. Coincidence? I really don't think so. OT, USA Patriot is a boil on the butt of humanity. He is also fun to laugh at, cukoo for cocoa puffs, don't you know.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:52 amGary Ruppert. If osama gets his news from anywhere, its the Internet, and last I heard the Internet was Democratic or republican.
Show me this 'FACT' and 'truth' that 'DEMOCRATS' had anything to do with this latest err 'progaganda' of yours. Can or cannot gary ruppert Osama, and or his operatives, as well as you, go to the internet and look at information without registering as a Party member?
January 21st, 2006 at 7:05 am*wasnt
January 21st, 2006 at 7:06 amIts a piece of dirt in the desert.
A stretch of land, thats no different than anywhere else. If these PEOPLE are so interested in the OLD TEXTS, and the 'powers' then I would think they would be tunneling, as Falwell and Blow you up robertson should be, under the earth to the halls of 'AMENTI'.
Go ahead duhbya, slant drill you a whole, under the Pyramid, and go for it. Thenbuild you a throne and sit there.
Visit the great 'eternal flame' 'Amenti' for thats where all the Hebrew, judeo Christian 'Texts' lead you. Be the Lord of the 'Rings' George.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:22 amI repeat myself: You should really read some of the comments your fellow conservatives leave behind, all filled with racist slurs, and insults to everyone in this blog. The angry comments are usually in response to an ad hominem attack by your fellow conservatives.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 20, 2006 @ 9:36 pm
Indeed. The cough cough, conservatives have been doing nothing but attacking ghosts, many books on 'Liberal' Media.. Terrible Blame Game books written by laywers and pundits such as Rush, or Libby. Blame Game Books. Rush is such, a media Ho. He plays upon peoples Latent Hates.
Rush' "Blah blah blah, fact, fact, half truth, "liberal"
Pretty much sums Rushes act up in three words. And the 'neo-cons' call that 'Liberal Media'
January 21st, 2006 at 7:33 amMost of the News Outlets are 'Conservative' such as Kristol, Murdoch is yet another Conservative media outlet, as well as Faux news et al. The people bringing these crooks to light are not Liberal, they are doing what they should, as Citizens, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise. Now Put that in the Old Pie hole, and think about it.
Here is Michael Moore's response to Matthews...
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=5598
January 21st, 2006 at 7:39 amPaul Hackett iraqi war veteran who said †The Republican Party has been hijacked by the religious fanatics, that in my opinion, aren’t a whole lot different than Osama Bin Laden and a lot of the other religious nuts around the world†the repugs in Ohio shrilling for his apology didn’t get it but instead future Sen Hackett said†I saidit. Imeantit. I stand behind it.â€â€¦
And there you have it. Even the 'Conservatives' realize their mistakes.Can they repair the damage? Or will they continue to lie and spin and be a party no more? After Nixon, Bush sr, and Bush Jr, the Republicans ticket is looking very tattered, the Democratic one is near as bad for both have been selfserving puppets for foreign powers
Hail to the 'New Party'. Whatever it is yet to be called =)
January 21st, 2006 at 7:44 am#Elohim is a Biblical name for God.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 21, 2006 @ 1:21 am
Elohim is also found in the Emerald tablets, that are older than the Bible itself, and were found in egypt. The Name ELOHIM.. Thoht also was called EL among many others. Different names, same thing.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:48 ami think we should go back to vietnam and finish what we started. it is wars like this that make us look bad. honestly, if we had crushed the gooks when we could have, then we would have this problem now. lets go back to vietnam, take care of business there, then finish off the terrorists in the middle east.
January 21st, 2006 at 8:41 ami think we should go back to vietnam and finish what we started. it is wars like this that make us look bad. honestly, if we had crushed the gooks when we could have, then we would have this problem now. lets go back to vietnam, take care of business there, then finish off the terrorists in the middle east.
Comment by mike
So you agree we started a war in Viet Nam for no good reason. How refreshing! An honest idiot!
Plunger,
What is your problem?
Do you have any idea who Lyndon LaRouche is? Do you realize that linking to a LaRouche publication makes you look like an idiot? An wingnut, tin foil hat wearing idiot just like Mike?
January 21st, 2006 at 8:50 amMike are you on your way to volunteer to be the first one to go?
January 21st, 2006 at 8:52 amMatthews plays right into the hands of the GOP’s next move. They, of course, will use this type of banter in the 2006 elections. They will say that democrats, “liberal democrats like Michael Mooreâ€, are Osama sympathizers and are anti-American, soft on terror, etc.
The timing of the release of the Osama tape I think is no coincidence – just as it was not a coincidence in the run-up to the 2004 elections. Either the administration had this tape on hand and released it for political reasons or, dare I say, they created it and released it for political reasons. I think we all know that Bush and Co. will do absolutely anything to keep power.
It will be interesting to see the outcome of the 2006 elections. Will the exit polls betray the results? Will electronic voting machines come into play once again? Will the American people tolerate the quest for absolute power by the bush administration? If the GOP remains in power, how will the American people react? Are there enough Americans out there who are feed up with the lies, manipulation, a war (invasion) for nothing except for more lives lost, and the development of a fascist state? I know I’m ready for a coup d’eta if necessary.
January 21st, 2006 at 8:57 amAnybody thinking that maybe the timing of that bin Laden tape was, well, just way too convenient?
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_ID=10544
January 21st, 2006 at 9:11 amJeez....I just saw the timestamp on my post: 9:11.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:40 amRepublicans and their supporters (like SCARBOROUGH) try to make Democrats and Liberals sound like anti-Americans.
But guess what ... we are the REAL conservatives! We care to save (conserve) our environment, our schools, our people. Taking care of our elderly as well as the future for our children.
As a rule, we don't use Federal, State or City elected posts as a stepping stone to a fat bank account for ourselves. (Like the Republicans)
The American soldiers who disgrace us are (I hope) a small group. I am a four year Vietnam Vet so don't get on me about saying that SOME American service people disgrace us! If YOU have not served this country in the service please keep your uninformed remarks to yourself!
It's time to put the REAL terror maker in jail ... President (I hate to give him that title) George W. Bush is the REAL terror threat to the world.
Why anyone who HAS to work for a living ever votes REPUBLICAN is just way beyond me! Why don't you just shoot yourself in the foot, so to speak, and be done with it.
By the way, I LOVE America (Remember, I put my LIFE on the line for this country) but sad to say, I HATE being an American during the Imperial Bush era.
I do feel disgraced by the errant service members and the untrustworthy Bush Administration.
In closing, I hope my neighborhood is not hit by a natural or man-made disaster. I know that the folks in the Katrina area are STILL suffering and the Federal government, ie. the Bush Administration is still sitting around with their finger up their butts! "Good job Brownie..... INDEED!
January 21st, 2006 at 9:45 amJeez….I just saw the timestamp on my post: 9:11.
Comment by ann — January 21, 2006
The TP server is back east.
Plunger,
You get your news from sites like Whatreallyhappened.com and LaRouche Publications, fine. It's tin foil hat by association. It doesn't help your case. It's none of my business. It just makes you look like more of a fool than you probably are.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:59 amIn other words, Plunger, you have no problem getting news and opinions from a fascist demagogue. Good for you!
January 21st, 2006 at 10:01 amGoogle Mossad connection to 9/11.
You are in some fine company there, Plunger. Right in Hitler's back pocket.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:04 amHow many USA Patriots are there out there?
January 21st, 2006 at 10:12 amGordon:
I clicked you google link and found the following.
Please comment on the inaccuracies you see in this story, and provide links to support your concentions:
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1535.htm
Comment by plunger
Just so the rest of you know who Plunger is and associates himself with...
TBRNews is a wing of the Barnes Review founded by Willis Carto. You can easily find out more about this crap, but who would want to? As I have told Plunger before, the reporting that Justin Raimondo, of antiwar.com, does on AIPAC is about as responsible as you need. Anything else from LaRouche, Whatneverreallyhappened.com, and Renseless is just pure garbage for wingnut tinfoilhat wearers. I have no idea "what really happened" any more than you do. Someday we may find out, and there are many disturbing and unanswered questions about 9/11. This piece I am reading seems interesting but I have not finished it yet.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:24 amFrom DKos:
A fellow who did his homework on Plunger and his "sources"....
WARNING: Beware the "Voice from the White House"
and TBRNews etc.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:28 amGood-bye Plunger, or should I call you Adolf?
January 21st, 2006 at 10:30 amYou are all missing the point! Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough are whores for money. What they say is bound to be foolish. Simply write the sponsors of the presentation, and mean it when you tell them they won't be selling you any more products until they kill off the foolishness, by cancelling their sponsorship.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:31 am#308. Parrot. i knew you worked for the NSA.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:31 amWeb definitions for Tracert
traceroute is a TCP/IP utility which allows the user to determine the route packets take to reach a particular host. traceroute works by increasing the "time to live" value of each successive packet sent. The first packet has a time to live (TTL) value of one, the second two, and so on. When a packet passes through a host, the host decrements the TTL value by one and forwards the packet to the next host. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracert - Definition in context
Here is Michael Moore’s response to Matthews…
http://www.michaelmoore.com/ words/ latestnews/ index.php?id=5598
Comment by Edward Deevy
Wow! That's gotta hurt. I don't like Mathews, he's a warmed over left wing fucktard make to seem somewhat presentable to the public at large. He's also a copy cat. It's no astounding revelation that the Islamists use American Left rhetoric and I remember seeing real time comparisons of Leftist spin on every subject from the Palestinians to Saddam to what is being said on Aljazeera and in the Friday night sermons in the jihadi snake pits across the middle east.
It's funny that Mathews picked on the Lefts sacred hippo and it tells me that the DNC regulars are starting to pull away from the Moore's and Franken's in the run up to the 06 elections. I think it's too late myself. The public already equates the left wing lunacy of Moore and Franken to the Democratic party and certainly they themselves think they are mainstream.
It's nothing but good news for the Right that the Leftists dogs are beginning to eat each other. Actually I'm a little surprised to see this "Think Communist" cog in the Clinton machine mention this at all. It's really the kind of thing a smart political operator would try to ignore.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:32 amussaparrot
January 21st, 2006 at 10:33 amI will be informing T.P. as to what you are doing, Wiretapper, spyer, etc...
us parrot is spying on T.P. commentators. He/she does Tracerts.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:36 amsee comment#308.
Patriotism is for the weak and weak-minded. Followers, not leaders.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:38 amMust be a record number of comments.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:44 amPatriot, from Middle French patriote compatriot, from Late Latin patriota, from Greek patriOtEs, from patria lineage, from patr-, patEr father
Fatherland. German Nazis were patriots. Der Fatherland right or wrong. He can't do trace routes on the commenters. He's just talking out his ass.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:49 am#391 Backs up my confirmation of usa ISPY:
SECRET GOVERNMENT CYBERNETIC EXPERIMENT
Code name?
PATRIOT.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 21, 2006 @ 3:09 am
January 21st, 2006 at 10:50 amPlunger,
You are your own worst enemy. And stupid, too.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:50 amIt’s not a smear. It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert #1
Scary Pookbutt,
...and that makes him right!!!
You and your inbred, mindless, ignorant, racist hordes can talk that "aiding and abetting the enemy" sh*t all you want, but America's record on foreign policy sucks in many ways...
If you right wing sh*theads would educate yourselves instead of regurgitating Pus Limphog, Scum Vanity, and Chris Matthews you'd know that what America (indeed mostly ALL white countries including Spain, Australia, et al.) does economically around the globe through the IMF,WTO and World Bank amounts to economic terrorism...
Ask yourself some questions right wing Al Cracka, what natural resources does this country have, what do we manufacture that poor Mestisos in Mexico or farmers in $3 per hour China can really afford, which country on this planet is the ONLY one to commit mass terror by unleashing the power of the atom, and finally, why is it SO necessary that our military have boots on the ground on Muslim "holy ground"?
Once you begin to look at the big picture, the institutionalized racism, economic terrorism, disrespect for religious convictions, lack of cultural awareness, and a whole host of fu*ked up white man vs the world of color issues (nuclear proliferation is a big one), then one begins to appreciate that it's not a left or right, Osama-Michael Moore-v-Bushiva and his inbreds issue...
It's human...
January 21st, 2006 at 10:53 amWilliam Colby, former Director of the CIA, once admitted:
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
January 21st, 2006 at 11:02 amWell, there's a logical fallacy here.
Just because Bin Laden said something doesn't make it untrue. And just because Bin Laden and Bush's critics state the same truth, doesn't mean they got that truth from each other.
Does Matthews really think Michael Moore and the liberal establishment are the only ones who think this? It's a pretty common assumption in Europe, the Middle East....hell, it's a common assumption everywhere except in the red state America.
January 21st, 2006 at 11:05 am#150 - Clif, So it’s OK for Hackett to make a comparison to OBL, but it’s not OK for Matthews to make such a comparison. At least your not hung up on cinsistency. LOL
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:21 am -----------
So, it's OK for Newt Gingrich to make a comparison to a plantation, but it's not OK for Hillary Clinton to make such a comparison? At least you're not hung up on consistency. LOL. Idiot.
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Matthews was a Dem a LONG time ago. Not now. I've watched and read him for years -- going back to when he was bipartisan and truly played Hardball with both sides. Over the past couple of years he's moved more and more to the outside right. He's got a major hate for the Clintons, which has drifted into a hate for most of the Dem party, and it's not pretty on someone who wants the world to think he's balanced. His radical roundtable last night was a joke. Carlson, who lied about John Edwards for over a year, even though he knew the true facts, and still uses the same lying tactics against others. Scarborough, who resigned abruptly from Congress a few months after winning re-election when the aide he was having an affair with was found dead in his office and his wife suddenly divorced him. Cosby, who can't say anything less than ten times because it's what she needs to do to fill up her air time since she has nothing of substance to report and who thinks everything is "stunning!!". Yep, quite a roundtable. I was pleased Olbermann didn't participate. He's the only one with integrity. Also, the only one on MSNBC who still reports in a bipartisan way. O'Donnell and Mitchell have made no secret of their partisanship for years -- both frequently report misinformation and rarely correct it. Both also like to snear when talking about Dems. I can't wait for Keith to move to a better network so I can stop watching MSNBC entirely.
January 21st, 2006 at 11:27 amHere is an article by Molly Ivins that every member of the DLC should read...
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=20250
January 21st, 2006 at 11:27 amI thought they weren't going to moderate comments purely on the basis of obscenity... Oh fvck!
anyway....
January 21st, 2006 at 11:32 amDang, the moderators are up early this morning.
January 21st, 2006 at 11:33 amthought they weren’t going to moderate comments purely on the basis of obscenity… Oh fvck!
anyway….
Comment by Toilet Plunger in I's Right Eye
Is "Radical Negro" and "Drooling Slack Jawed White Trash" obscene? Whadayouthink loser?
January 21st, 2006 at 11:35 amNo Tweety you were not misunderstood. We know exactly what you said and we know that you have sold whatever soul you had to the Buschovites four years ago. If there is anyone who has betrayed America it is you and all your Neocon minions. Only an arrogant bastard would dare to say that people didn't have the brains to understand exactly what he was saying.
January 21st, 2006 at 11:36 amthought they weren’t going to moderate comments purely on the basis of obscenity… Oh fvck!
anyway….
Comment by Toilet Plunger in I’s Right Eye
Is “Radical Negro†and “Drooling Slack Jawed White Trash†obscene? Whadayouthink loser?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006
I think it is, loser. Whereas "fvgck" is just a good old anglo-saxon word. And it's really not necessary for you to demean yourself in that fashion (“Drooling Slack Jawed White Trashâ€). We all know what you are but thanks for acknowleding it publicly.
January 21st, 2006 at 11:41 amIs it just me or is the MSM working overtime to project John McCain as the next president...
Seems like every "propaganda posing as news" anchor uses endearing terms like "the Reformer" John McCain when reporting anything on this crook...
That basta*rd has about as much integrity as IRI's missing father...
...remember the Savings and Loan scam?
Don't fall f/t hype Progressives, McCain is NO compromise candidate, and he sure as hell ain't no uniter...
January 21st, 2006 at 11:51 amThe Republican party must be in trouble if all they can do is bash Michael Moore. I am very well aware that Matthews is not a functioning part of the Republican party, just a partisan hack, but he will definitely find support within 80% of the G.O.P. This is really growing tiresome. I haven't read the entire thread of this post, but I assume that some troll would have mentioned Bill Clinton by this point. This is my request to Karl Rove; please come up with some new talking points, I am bored out of my mind over here.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmOssama recommends book by left wing fucktards and uses left wing fucktard rhetoric in his messages to like minded Islamoheadchoppers.
Don't tell me you phony Americans aren't aiding and abetting the enemy. :
In an Arabic transcription of the entire tape on the Al-Jazeera Web site — but not aired — bin Laden ... tells Americans that "if you are sincere in your desire for peace and security, and if Bush refuses to do anything but continue lies and oppression," then he recommends Americans read a book entitled "The Rogue State," apparently a reference to a book of that title by political analyst William Blum. The book has been published in Arabic.
"In its introduction, it states: 'If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended,'" he said.
http://linkmecca.blogspot.com/2006/01/osama-recommends-us-leftists-book.html
Just think, if we would have declared war on Iraq like we should have we could throw Left Wing Traitors like Moore and Blumm in prison.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmAlso, please stop bringing up Osama bin Laden, that is unless your going to actively do something about him. And I quote, "I really just don't spend that much time on him" George W. Bush.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmbut he will definitely find support within 80% of the G.O.P. This is really growing tiresome.
Comment by Double A
What's growing tiresome is how you lefty kiddies call your left wing mouthpieces conservative hacks whenever they don't toe your fringe loon ideological line.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pmAlso, please stop bringing up Osama bin Laden, that is unless your going to actively do something about him. And I quote, “I really just don’t spend that much time on him†George W. Bush.
Comment by Double A
Why? As long as Ossama is going to quote Democrats he's really on our side...so to speak.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 pmFuck the coperate media http://www.theworldcantwait.com
January 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pmMore: Blum's Website
Re: Blum's Book, "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II"
"Far and away the best book on the topic." -- Noam Chomsky
"I enjoyed it immensely." -- Gore Vidal
"I bought several more copies to circulate to friends with the hope of shedding new light and understanding on their political outlooks." -- Oliver Stone
"He's my homeboy and sometimes bitch" -- Ossama Bin Laden
January 21st, 2006 at 12:24 pmOssama For President!!!
Osama to Useful Idiots: Bush Is Our Common Enemy
"We know that the majority of your people want this war to end and opinion polls show the Americans don't want to fight the Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their (US) land....
"But Bush does not want this and claims that it's better to fight his enemies on their land rather than on American land.
*
"In response to the substance of the polls in the US, which indicate that Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to.
"We are a nation that Allah banned from lying and stabbing others in the back, hence both parties of the truce will enjoy stability and security to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by war.
"There is no problem in this solution, but it will prevent hundreds of billions from going to influential people and warlords in America - those who supported Bush's electoral campaign - and from this, we can understand Bush and his gang's insistence on continuing the war."
January 21st, 2006 at 12:26 pmJust think, if we would have declared war on Iraq like we should have we could throw Left Wing Traitors like Moore and Blumm in prison.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006 @ 12:16 pm
I neglected to post the rest of your comment, since I thought it wasn't necessary, but for thos interested in reading the rest of I-Right-I's comment, it is post #452. I suggest that you don't simply throw everyone who doesn't think exactly like you into the same group. This isn't productive or realistic. I could say that since you share Hitler's beliefs that you should either deport or imprison all those who do not have the exact opinion as you. But, this isn't true. I do believe that at your core, you are a good person who is trying to help the U.S. in the way you know how. But please understand that this kind of intolerance is dangerous. As humans, we must learn to treat everyone with respect, even though we may not always agree. Then, through that mutual respect, we may find a solution that will work for everyone. Please, don't simply see this post as an attack, and respond accordingly, but take some time to think about how it. "If it is wise, but not loving, it isn't wise. If it is love, but it isn't wise, it isn't love" --- Buddha
January 21st, 2006 at 12:28 pmUseful Idiot "Glad" Osama Recommends His Book
"This is almost as good as being an Oprah book," he said yesterday between telephone calls from the world media and bites of a bagel....
By last night, "Rogue State" shot up from 205,763 to 26 on Amazon.com's index of the most-ordered books.
"I'm calling it the book review of the decade," said Sam Smith, editor of the Progressive Review in Washington and a fan of Blum's work....
Blum said his life's mission has been this: "If not ending, at least slowing down the American Empire. At least injuring the beast. It's causing so much suffering around the world."
http://linkmecca.blogspot.com/2006/01/useful-idiot-glad-osama-recommends-his.html
January 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pmIRI - Well, if you want to compare one person to a party, then OK.
Bush is EXACTLY like HITLER. He is using the media, just as Hitler did, to provide propaganda and fear, just as Hisler did. He is telling people that he must destroy the Constitution, just like Hitler did, in order to protect the American people. He wants to have access to ALL information that the people are looking at through the internet, just like Hitler, so he can control things.
You really have no IDEA what your talking about and you should go and tell your boss Donald that you should be replaced with someone who has a better mind.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmPeople,
Now's not the time to back down. We should continue this barrage of e-mails on Chrissy Matthews everyday until he cracks under pressure.
Yesterday, I sent in my response to his reference to Michael Moore right before Chrissy's unfortunate response to our response. I intend to send him another e-mail today.
I wonder if hell change his response on Monday on this weekend since he has another show, "The Chris Matthews Show."
Let's give em' hell, gang!
January 21st, 2006 at 12:36 pm“If it is wise, but not loving, it isn’t wise. If it is love, but it isn’t wise, it isn’t love†— Buddha
Comment by Double A
There is nothing wise or loving about the Filthy Left, not one thing. Everything that appears to have merit or something beneficial is under girded by radical hatred for America and our common Western culture and traditions.
I accept the proposition that all liberals are not Walking Dead Leftist Ratbastardcommiemofofucktards. That changes nothing as those liberals are in bed with the Left and therefore share and equal portion of their guilt.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:37 pmIRI - Well, if you want to compare one person to a party, then OK.
Comment by RemoveBush
I'm not comparing one person to a party. I'm pointing out what it is that defines a Left Wing Walking Dead Loser and how that compares to TREASON as I understand treason. I really, REALLY want these bastards thrown in prison. You need an example.
Bush=Hitler? You're an idiot and too stupid to work at McD's.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:42 pmIt's a good day. no one is paying lip service to irighty's rants.
I was surprised to see that I agree with something else w/ irighy, I think Chris Matthews is an idiot too. Embaraces me to think he bills himself as a columnist for the SF Examiner.
450 responses...Who'd a thunk? This place is getting more like dkos every day. Except Judd doesn't boot out as many folk.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmI-Right-I, I thank you for responding respectfully to my post. I think we can accomplish much more when people are not screaming at each other and calling each other names.
I believe that ideas such as universal health care and cheaper perscription drugs are great ideas and are necessary to America's continued growth and prosperity. I'm not suggesting that you are against these ideas (and if you are, that is your opinion, and I respect that), but I would have to say that they are both wise and caring. Families losing their homes and/or life savings due to medical emergencies is truly tragic, and not beneficial to the American economy, or the moral of the poor and working class. Both of the ideas are left/liberal ideas, and were thought up out of caring for people of all classes.
Again, I wanted to say that I truly enjoy this type of debate, and I hope to see more of it here in the future.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:47 pmIf you liberals aren't like Osama, then why are you angry? Oh that's right, because you all hate America.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:57 pm"As long as Ossama is going to quote Democrats he’s really on our side…so to speak."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
And there is all you have to know about traitorous scum like IRI, WHO PUT PARTY BEFORE COUNTRY! "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." So Osama-lover, how long until Bush renditions you, terrorist-supporting little BITCH!
January 21st, 2006 at 1:00 pm"Don’t tell me you phony Americans aren’t aiding and abetting the enemy."
No, you are, as I demonstrated in the last post, traitor!
January 21st, 2006 at 1:03 pmMatthews could look at the actual story: bin Laden is still alive, still uncaptured, and still the face and voice, maybe/maybe not a functioning terrorist leader. But he pushes the old, old Michael Moore button. Concerned citizens like I-Right-I respond like mad dogs frothing at the mouth at those filthy liberals, jump on the internets to join in in the Great Mudding Of The Issue.
The deal is, Bush lost the first battle of the War on Terrorism. He let a mass murderer go. He turned from dealing with Afghanistan to invade Iraq, a fucking mess we didn't need. Bush is not Hitler, he's Public Fucktard #1.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:03 pmSo once we start declaring large numbers of Americans treasonous, should we jail them or should we shoot them in front of large lime filled pits?
Perhaps we can use information we get from Yahoo and AOL and MSN to prove how treasonous large numbers of AMericans really are and then the president can declare a national emergency. Perhaps we can create a new crime, let's call it:
Pre-9/11 thinking. We can have public tribunals and we can determine if people are guilty of pre-9/11 thinking. Those that are guilty should be jailed or executed. We can televise the tribunals and people like Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough and Sean Hannity can comment about how these are the people that will destroy American unless they are destroyed and liquidated.
We can get Americans to "inform" on their neighbors. Perhaps they are Muslims or perhaps they have Michael Moores' movies in their bookshelves.
We can have something to pin on them to indentify them as traitors to the nation. Perhaps a small "blue star". Those with the blue star shall be shunned and then tried and convicted.
Sounds like a winner to me. I say we get the traitors before Bin Laden gets them to subvert our democracy.
Time for some militias and camps and boxcars.
-GSD
January 21st, 2006 at 1:04 pmGreat news everybody. I had a long talk with my dad the other day and it turned to politics. My dad is a card carrying, church going, republican. He is now questioning Bush and frined motives. This is the same guy who sent me the slideshow that compares Bush with all of the great cowboys throughout history. He loves Bush and supports the war on terror, but he questions why Bush is doing the things he is doing.
As a 36 year veteran of the LA Sherrifs Department, and one time leader of the LA SWAT team, he seriously questions why Bush is approving torture as that is not an effective interogation technique. He also said that he doesn't want big bother in his life. Although he said that he is reserving his judgement on the wiretapping, because he doesn't have enough information.
These are good times. I feel much better knowing that my very republican parents are starting to come around and not because of anything I did, just from watching Fox News.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pmMy letter to Hardball...
Mr. Matthews and Hardball staff,
Last night, you said that your comments from the previous evening likening Bin Laden to Michael Moore were "misunderstood".
Frankly, I don't think anyone in your audience "misunderstood". I believe we heard you loud and clear.
You owe Mr. Moore, as well as your audience, a sincere apology, something more than a half-baked "I was misunderstood". Obviously, your show would be the best place to do this, and Monday would be a good time for it. I will also be watching my own email in-box--yes, I'm asking for a personal apology.
Please don't "misunderstand" me; in the past, I've been willing to (grudgingly) give you the benefit of the doubt, but not any longer. This was simply over the line, even by your standards, and I don't think I need to explain why. Unless and until you offer a genuine apology, whether it be on your show, to the Internet community or to me personally, you'll have at least one less viewer. Does that qualify as "Hardball"?
Thanks for your time.
Sincerely,
January 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmIf you liberals aren’t like Osama, then why are you angry? Oh that’s right, because you all hate America.
Yawn. Come back when you've got some new material.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:20 pmIf people still refuse to see that the mystique of Bin Laden, head of all Global Terror is just a myth, I don't know what else will do it.
Can poeple listen to the truth? I can rationally explain the real reason for the "Global War on Terror" in one paragraph.
It is MONEY, plain and simple. You see, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was hard to explain the GIGANTIC U.S. defense budget to the American people. So the Military Industrial Complex/Big Oil/Big Construction (i.e. Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Boeing) had to come up with a new decades-long, ill-defined global conflict to create demand for military spending. What did they come up with? A Global War on Terrorism. Two wayward sons of leading families were groomed to be puppets for the two sides of this new Global War. Both were already in a good position, W from having worked on his father's campaigns, and Bin Laden for having been a mujahideen leader in Afghanistan. They both are black sheep sons of the Carlyle Group Empire. George W. Bush is placed as head of the free world, and Bin Laden is placed as head of world terrorism. Are people this stupid? 2 Black sheep of the same business interests get placed as the leaders of both sides in a new global war and nobody is suspicious by this? Who has the global war on terrorism really helped? Military Industrial Complex / Big Oil / Big Construction. If you want the whole truth go to http://www.watchmanreport.com
January 21st, 2006 at 1:21 pmWe should identify Tweety's advertisers, then go picket their places of business for supporting terrorism. After all, Tweety says 50% of Americans support Osama and terrorism - surely including at least some people at his advertisers. Let's all help Tweety smoke these traitors out by holding patriotic protests at his advertisers in Tweety's support. In fact, we can advertise them on right-wing talk radio to bring in even more "real" Americans. And we should make it very clear with the signs and so forth that we are there strictly at Tweety's desire.
Of course, his advertisers may start to wonder why they are paying Tweety money to call them terrorist sympathizers and bring protesters to their stores, but that's between them & Tweety.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:24 pmUSAPatriot
January 21st, 2006 at 1:26 pmPaul Hackett can make references to OBL because he is a not neutral -- he is a political candidate -- Matthews is ostensibly a neutral broadcaster - a news show anchor, who is not supposed to show prejudice one way or another because he broadcasts to the nation - not just one party!
If he wants to promote his show as a Republican/White House advocacy show, that's one thing - if he advertises as a news show, then he must be neutral.
I can't beleive people are even arguing with the likes of USA Parrot and his ilk. One thing I've noticed about discourse with repugs is that they cannot be argued against because of the amount of logical fallacies they throw into their speech.
The first tactic they use is to accuse the other person of something that they themselves are about to do, such as accusing a person of lying before they lie, then backing up that lie with other lies from disreputable sources, then blankly repeating the lie even after it is shown to be false. Or accusing the other person of hate speech before they spew their hate.
Like religion, they use zealous faith instead of facts to hammer their point, even if they have no real point. Try telling an Amish person that there is no god and you see what I'm getting at.
And yet, I will probably be accused of not keeping an open mind by ignoring a person who simply won't argue fairly. By fair I mean admitting when they are wrong or don't have all the facts.
Finally, I worked with Michael Moore as a PA way back on a segment of The Awful Truth. He is a great man with a large heart and an ear for people's stories. Why are so many people lately trying to bash a man who only wants to make America better? If that's even possible anymore. That he hasn't just given up and expatriated like Oliver Stone is a testimony of his will to stand up against the greed and insanity that rages in this country. We all know that there are many things that Bush has said that Hitler would agree with, we should start making a list and send it to Matthews.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:38 pmEVERYONE KNOWS that Bush is Osama's lacky. He does exactly what Osama wants him to do. Osama said that "The U.S. government will lead the American people and the West in general will enter an unbearable hell and a choking life".
Bush is faithfully executing his master's wish. Bush supporters are craven cowards who will sacrifice America's constitution, and their children's future, because of their deep craven fear adn ignorance.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pmIt is apparent that Pope John Paul II was rooting for Bin Laden. The was against the war in Iraq and so was Bin Laden, therefore the Pope and Bin Laden are ideological soulmates.
Why does the Pope love terrorists?
-GSD
January 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pmBecause he was a Bush hater. Next question.
January 21st, 2006 at 1:56 pmYou are all wrong! The talking points are qbvious! anyone can come up with them. Shit,even a brocken watch is right twice as day. Osam, Mathews, Moore, anyone with a brian could figure this out.
Here is a talking point for ya!
911 was blow back for all the Impirial intent of america and britan for the last hundred years! As long as we continue to enslave the rest of the world for the industrial economic interests we will have more of the same. Osama, Chris M, Michael Moore Democrat - Republican doesn't matter who says it. They are all paid by the same people eventually. Industrial interests rule the world! They have since 1900! Do your homework!
January 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmElohim is also found in the Emerald tablets, that are older than the Bible itself, and were found in egypt. The Name ELOHIM.. Thoht also was called EL among many others. Different names, same thing.
Comment by mr ho — January 21, 2006 @ 7:48 am
All nice points Mr. Ho, however the members of the radical religious movement, Elohim City did'nt carry Emerald Tablets to Church in the morning to read from while they listened to the Reverend Millar preach.
They took instead the standard King James translations of the Bible.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:19 pmFILL IN THE BLANKS
Bush and his craven band of Osama enablers. "Oh, let me kiss your royal ___" says Bush as he leans down to give Prince Faud's ___ a lingering smacker. "Makes my day when I get to do that" says Bush the ___ licker.
"I wanna hold yer ha-a-an-an-aaand....I wanna hold yer hand"
January 21st, 2006 at 2:19 pmif we had crushed the gooks when we could have, then we would have this problem now.
Comment by mike — January 21, 2006 @ 8:41 am
Gooks? You mean human beings?
But even a Nimrod racist like you gets something right once and a while, even if not be design.
You are right there slappy, if we had crushed the gooks, then we still would have this problem now.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:23 pmus parrot is spying on T.P. commentators. He/she does Tracerts. see comment#308.
Comment by Flashback — January 21, 2006 @ 10:36 am
I would not be too concerned Flashback.
WORFEUS can assure you that he is not doing a tracert to you or anyone else here. And I doubt he knows too much about ICMP and TCP\IP command line utilities, or the nature of Layer 3 traffic on the World Wide Web.
If he was NSA or something they would'nt tell you first of all.
Secondly, I think NSA can afford something a little more advanced than tracert that is into the DOS shell utility built into Windows.
NSA can at least afford some fancy tool like NeoTrace, and at the very least an actual white hat hacker at NSA would likely be using a UNIX terminal with it's much more powerful TCP\IP command line utilities including traceroute.
Besides, everyone here is connecting via HTTP to a server on the Internet, not to each other. We are not Instant Messaging each other or making connections to each others systems.
If he was law enforcement and wanted our IP's, he would have to get the server logs from TP, or their ISP or hosting service, not by using an ICMP traceroute. All that would show him is the relative path to the server.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pmhas this been shared around here so people can protest Chris Matthew's SLANDER? (I wish these addresses were on the front web page.)
(from Digby)
But a few thousand emails from readers demanding an apology might just get somebody's attention too:
Hardball@msnbc.com
MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com
world@msnbc.com
One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus, NJ 07094
Phone: (201) 583-5000
Fax: (201) 583-5453
NBC News
http://www.nbc.com
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Phone: (212) 664-5900
Fax: (212) 664-2914
By the way: Tweety's tied to the Abramoff probe. He happily raised money for one of Casino Jack's front groups. And he's gone out of his way to trivialize the unprecedented bribery, shakedowns and protection racket his best pals have been engaged in. I'm just sayin'
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_01_15_digbysblog_archive.html#113772990196606438
January 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmIf the right wingers try and buffalo you again Flashback, on Internet tracing or anything cyber or hacking related, send them to WORFEUS.
WORFEUS will straigten them out on these matters.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmWhere has the sense of humour gone on the left??? Ted "the Swimmer", John "medal lobber" Kerry, Noam Chomsky, and monotonous Gore Vidal all make a point of tearing down the campaign and missions of the US military in Iraq and beyond. The left relies on the political observations of Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, Julia Roberts, Ed Asner, and that well-known political paranoid, Tim Robbins. PLEASE keep it up!!!! You provide more laughs and fodder than you realize.
January 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pm"When the stress of the war in Iraq becomes too severe, the Pentagon has a suggestion for military families.
Learn how to laugh."
By Gregg Zoroya
January 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmUSA Today, January 12, 2006
HE'S SO FUNNY!
Let me see, where did they hide those WMDs heh-heh, heh-heh...
The haves and the have mores... I call you my base! heh-heh, heh-heh.
You see, these people are disadvantaged. (The flood and loss of their homes) really is working out quite well for them! Heh-heh, heh-heh.
HE (and his mom) ARE SO FUNNY!
January 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pmThe timing of this is just too perfect for the Neocons. I dont believe that Bin Laden even exists. I think that Rove and Co. use this puppet to manipulate us. All of a sudden Bin Laden speaks English? Who translated this garbage and who verified that it was really "him". Who is he anyway? He doesnt exist, our government uses him as a puppet just like they did no 9/11. The WTC was demolished intentionally, Bin Laden was the fall guy, we protect him cause he works for us and the CIA plants these tapes whenever our government wants to but the fear of God in us. Elections are coming in November so look out for some good fear tactics by this administration. Wake up if you think you are safe. Bush and Co are the terrorists.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:03 pmDoes it occur to these media clowns that bin Laden is as media savvy as your typical billionaire from a powerful family? Why does bin Laden mimic the left? Maybe because he wants to incite sectarian fighting in this country, just like he does in other countries?
What a bunch of dumbasses we have in power in this country.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:09 pm"If you liberals aren’t like Osama, then why are you angry? Oh that’s right, because you all hate America."
Show me a quote of a liberal that says "I hate America".
If you can't then you should immediately apologize...
January 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmThe Radical Republican Right will never apoligize for anything. Apology to them is the same as showing weakness. Right Wingers such as Chris Matthews live in their own little world that they themselves create so as to keep from having to face reality. In their outlandishly ego-centric wonderland they see themselves as being right all the time. Anyone with a conflicting point-of-view is seen as a thouht criminal(remember George Orwell's 1984). Independent thought to the Radical Right is seen as treason. All followers of the Radical Right are expected by their leaders to be mindless automatrons. They are all conditioned to be what the leaders of the Radical Right want them to be: orthadox both mentally and philisophically. In essence, the Right-Wingers are all members of a cult. In a cult, all independent thought is stamped out. Only idealogical purity is allowed to exist.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:13 pmWhere has the sense of humour gone on the left??? Ted “the Swimmerâ€, John “medal lobber†Kerry, Noam Chomsky, and monotonous Gore Vidal all make a point of tearing down the campaign and missions of the US military in Iraq and beyond. The left relies on the political observations of Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, Julia Roberts, Ed Asner, and that well-known political paranoid, Tim Robbins. PLEASE keep it up!!!! You provide more laughs and fodder than you realize.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 21, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Yawn. Come back when you have some original material.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm"Where has the sense of humour gone on the left??? Ted “the Swimmerâ€, John “medal lobber†Kerry, Noam Chomsky, and monotonous Gore Vidal all make a point of tearing down the campaign and missions of the US military in Iraq and beyond."
Actually Rumsfeld does a fine job of accomplishing that all for himself. Heck, even Bremmer is writing a new book that disses on the ineptitude of the 'mission management' of the rightwing leadership. Who needs progressive critics when your work speaks for itself so critically?
I can understand how someone who's not very secure would need to resort to name calling like you have - instead of dealing with the greater issue of the rightwing mismanagement of everything. I mean, clearly it's easier to put on the 2 year old, put your fingers in your ears and scream - now isn't it?
But I forgive you of this act of childishness, because all it does is show exactly how afraid and hysterical you are about the situation. I forgive you of your hatred and even the vile and evil things you say about others in response to your fear. Fear is the mindkiller, so try to find your compassion and love for your fellow americans, and maybe you'll be able to see the truth more clearly. Right now, you sound like a Pat Robertson prayer breakfast, and I'm waiting for the 'hit' order to come down. You don't want to sound that silly do you?
" The left relies on the political observations of Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, Julia Roberts, Ed Asner, and that well-known political paranoid, Tim Robbins. PLEASE keep it up!!!! You provide more laughs and fodder than you realize. mighty aphrodite"
Hey, most of those folks are VERY funny, so I can understand why you would feel your obvious envy. Since rightwing people are stuck with Dennis Miller, Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson and the ever boring Novak - it's obvious you've forgotten exactly how many laughs you give every day to the world - but unintentionally. It's so funny to hear a rightwing person talk of the politically paranoid when miss 'I want to marry McCarthy' Coulter wanders free in the world of the sane.
Fear makes people lose their judgement, and clearly you've become impaired - you say it isn't age, but impairment comes prematurely when fear rules.
I forgive you for your malicious and hate filled comments against people who clearly you fear for their differences in opinions. The rightwing has moved so far to the right, any sane and middle of the road argument must seem strange to a person used to believing the deranged rantings of the rightwing. I'm so sorry that you're so filled with that hatred and ignorance. Open your heart and mind to the real world sweetie - because today you sound more like Coulter and the rest of the fringe crazy rightwing than you could ever imagine. I feel great pity for you in how lost you seem to be.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pmThe greatest mistake that we Liberals ever made was apologizing for that which we are not even guilty of. At least we are willing to admit we make mistakes. That just shows that we are human. We tolerate conservatives a hell of a lot more than they tolerate us. Conservatism is a very seperatist ideology the same way Nazism is. Liberalism is a very big tent ideology. We love opposing viewpoints. Critisism makes good Liberals the way it makes good writers. That is part of the reason why we Liberals usually know what we are talking about when we get into a conversation about politics. That is also the reason why conservatives happen to be so ill-equipped when they enter a conversation that requires intellegence. They are unable to learn from their mistakes or tolerate critisism. The problem with living in a bubble is that you eventually wind up smelling your own flatulence.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm#491, Funny that George W. Bush says the Justice Department vetted his desire to ignore the law, claiming that the legality of his actions had been confirmed by several of his hand-picked political appointees, so everything is on the up-and-up, and Americans need not be concerned. Makes my side ache, that one does. Sooooooooooooo Funny!
January 21st, 2006 at 3:28 pm“I really just don’t spend that much time on him†George W. Bush.
I bet he doesn't think about him much. Probably because they've got him in one of those secret prisons and they haul him out to torture him into making another tape every time the polls start to look really bad.
Come on....who doesn't think there's going to be an Osama capture in time for the midterms?
January 21st, 2006 at 3:42 pmHeh, only on Planet Moonbat is Chris Matthews considered to be a right-winger.
You guys probably think Pol Pot was a moderate.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:46 pmChris Matthews has always been a rightwinger, and has publically talked about how he rebelled from liberal parents. Actually Pol Pot was a radical, much like anyone who thinks Chris Matthews is a liberal. I forgive you for your ignorance, laziness often seems to come with the fear that overwhelms those in the right.
January 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pmjust found this...very important reading...for ALL...
get comfy - it's really long, but not the least bit boring...
"What I heard about Iraq in 2005"
January 21st, 2006 at 4:01 pmhttp://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n01/wein01_.html
There is nothing wise or loving about the Filthy Left, not one thing. Everything that appears to have merit or something beneficial is under girded by radical hatred for America and our common Western culture and traditions.
I accept the proposition that all liberals are not Walking Dead Leftist Ratbastardcommiemofofucktards. That changes nothing as those liberals are in bed with the Left and therefore share and equal portion of their guilt.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Without hatred of the "so-called left" IRI, the GOP, are nothing. This "so called left" they created is the first boogeyman they demonized to energize their radical base.
January 21st, 2006 at 4:28 pmThat changes nothing as those liberals are in bed with the Left and therefore share and equal portion of their guilt.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
I will accept the guilt of trying to end an illegal war. Guilt like that I can live with.
The corruption of the right far surpasses anything I have seen on the left lately.
January 21st, 2006 at 4:32 pmMattews may or may not be a right winger but HIS brother Jim Matthews is running as a REPUBLICAN in the Pennsylvanian Lieutenant Governors race.. Matthews has been quoted as saying " I'm more CONSERVATIVE than people think". He also said "I've voted republican many times (including) for George W. Bush in 2000." the liberal is as tag as they say around here" that dog won't hunt" Sorry wingnuts he's yours by his own words, so will you all kindly ask Roger Ailes to hire him.
January 21st, 2006 at 4:33 pmMatthews is a fence sitter in my book.
While it is true he started out his career as a Democrat. He worked as Carters speechwriter for 4 years.
But something happened to him, and by 2000 he was against a true liberal and great Democrat Al Gore.
Now it appears after voting for Bush, he want's his money back.
He's middle of the road. But right now he's closer to the republican side of the line than the other.
January 21st, 2006 at 4:43 pmMatthews voted for Bush. He's a Republican and has been for some time. He's also a Catholic.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:06 pm#487
Exactly
January 21st, 2006 at 5:16 pmI had a feeling you were elite spudge.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pmKerry's a Catholic HA.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pmYou guys hate me don't you.
:|
I knew I should have stayed out of this one LOL.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:35 pmFor a guy who spent some time in the Peace Corps as a young man, Matthews has sure fallen a long way down.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:36 pmUnderstand HA, RightPunch, and anyone else I am not defending one bit what Matthews said.
But I have to be fair.
Being fair how can we forget Chris's Dem side, I mean he wrote speeches for 4 years for Carter?
I mean, if he got Carter re-elected and all right the he can't be all ba....hey.....wait a minute! :|
January 21st, 2006 at 5:38 pmLOL, well I mangled that one.
It was supposed to read like this.
I mean, if he got Carter re-elected and all then he can’t be all that ba ..hey…..wait a minute! :|
Looses something in the translation :|
January 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pmI wonder if it was Matthews idea to put him in the sweater that night by the fireside?
January 21st, 2006 at 5:42 pmTweety like alot of other neo-cons were closet repugs when, repugs were not in favor, now that they believe their own propoganda that there is a large christian coalition( even though that group is $2.2 in debt) and the liberals are on the run and that middle america can't see what is going on they slink out.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:43 pmTweety? :D
January 21st, 2006 at 5:45 pmThat's pretty good Clif.
I can see that. I mean that they rode the donkey cause the donkey was in.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:47 pmI see plunger is the linkmaster
January 21st, 2006 at 5:49 pmHell they're riding the christian right , Robertson didn't even show up for the christian coalition this year, guess he thought they are no longer relivant since bubble-boy was going to appoint himself dictator.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:50 pmI want ala carte TV. I don't want to have these right wing "news" channels bundled into my programming. Blocking them out is not good enough; I don't want to pay for their crap.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pmSo you think it's more like an Ivy league get on the popular horse thing.
Kinda like why the right wing is so into the Christian movement right now?
Since they can't appease the people of Color in this country, because they just can't talk to them correctly, they instead go for the Christian movement, buy focusing on so called mainstream Christian values like keeping the two lesbians down the street from recieving marriage benefits or registering in a hotel as Mrs and Mrs.
Ok, I think I am starting to see.
January 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pmThats a pretty good theory Clif. I will have to contemplate that one for a while.
I can see that, I mean he works in the field, it's always good to be with whos on top.
I mean he said he voted for Bush, but who knows for sure?
He knows.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pmI still think Nora's hot though, so I can't stop watching Hardball :D
January 21st, 2006 at 6:02 pmYes they have used the right wing because the original intent crowd of judges that the right wing christians want happen to align exactly in mindset with "the free market, no regulation is good, no frivious law suit, protect the corp,polution/global warming isn't proven science" judges the board of directors of Bushco, inc. want to appoint. If they can keep the MSM focused on abortion and gay rights then the lax-enviromental, anti-consumer, anti-union/procorporation, antifree speach, anti equality,views of the judges selected for advancement will not get a proper airing. bait and switch has been a trademark for a while, and the christian values is the bait, no wonder the top repugs keep getting in trouble for violations of traditional christian values.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmWonder how good ole Chief Justice Roberts never felt a twinge of guilt voting to uphold the Oregan assisted suicide law, I happen to agree with him on this point a persons life is their most personal, and the government shouldn't have very much if anything at all to say if a free citizen no longer wants to exist, funny I didn't think that I'd have much to agree that quick with him,
January 21st, 2006 at 6:25 pmRemember the first rule...follow the money... the motives of the repugs show through if you look at, Robertson financially solid, Reed financially solid( however if Jack rats on him that could change) the christian coalitian $2.2 mil in debt, I wonder who was in it for values and who was in it for money?
January 21st, 2006 at 6:35 pmfunny I didn’t think that I’d have much to agree that quick with him,
Comment by Clif — January 21, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
I agree with you on that, that I agree with him on upholding the assisted suicide law.
I did think I would be agreeing with him soon though. I really think Bush messed up here, from a republican perspective that is.
Since I was a little boy, I have always been able to read people by simply looking at their eyes when they spoke.
I imagine I am not always correct, but I would bet I am about 95 percent of the time. And I felt good about Roberts from the moment I heard him talk.
I think he went to the dance, but he did'nt drink the punch.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:38 pmI think Roberts may make some wrong choices. But I think all in all he may turn out to be pretty balanced.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:39 pmTelevision is no longer a credible source for news or commentary. Both Matthews and Scarborough are jokes. Very well-paid jokes. How is it we, as a nation, no longer can tell the difference between real journalism (I know it's hard to find these days) and blow hard posturing.
You really want to send them a message they will listen to? Stop watching them.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:43 pmThat would be the greatest joke of all to be played on the repugs, if they stole the frist election, to get bubble-boy in office so that he could replace Rehnquist with another hard right tool, and to end up with bush by accident (remember Roberts was to replace the moderate O'Connor)putting Roberts in the Chief Judges position for the next maybe thirty years, and have Roberts end up being another moderate.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:45 pmOsama bin Ladin, and his whole family were given a free pass by Bush.
Bush and bin Ladin get their talking points from each other. They are soul mates. Bush looked into his eyes and just knew that bin Ladin was his brother in arms.
Bushs does not want to capture or kill bin Ladin. dHDis atttempts to do so are all cruel jokes. They love and respect each other.
January 21st, 2006 at 6:52 pmAKA DAD - "Show me a quote of a liberal that says “I hate Americaâ€. - Aka DAD
January 21st, 2006 at 6:55 pm***** Dear Dad, Do quotes from "mainstream" socialist professors count??? Like the brilliant "fonts" of knowledge from Yale, Brown etc??? Do quotes "understanding" the 9/11 attacks "due to the greed, avarice and foriegn policy of the US" count???
Maybe what Chris Matthews was trying to say is that Karl Rove was sending messages to Osama telling him what to say to make the people against the Iraq war and against America turning into the next Rome look like they are supporting Osamas view of America. I too have thought it strange that Osama keeps using the language that the left uses instead of talking like a Jihadist. Hell maybe these tapes come straight from the CIA and then they turn around and say "yep! sounds like Bin Laden to us..."
January 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmMighty Aphrodite...
Saying that the rich and powerful in America are greedy and uses American foreign policy to get richer is a well known fact. I dont think it says "I hate America" ... I think it says "I hate greedy people that through out history have used and abused people for their own gain."
January 21st, 2006 at 7:01 pmWith out Bin Laden Bush would have been a one term prez jus lika his ole daddy
January 21st, 2006 at 7:08 pmSpeaking truth is not unamerican,
January 21st, 2006 at 7:12 pmnor does speaking truth mean the speaker hates America
"That would be the greatest joke of all to be played on the repugs, if they stole the frist election, to get bubble-boy in office so that he could replace Rehnquist,,,
,,, and have Roberts end up being another moderate".
Comment by Clif — January 21, 2006 @ 6:45 pm
Well stay tuned. Cause you're gonna be laughing at the punch line real soon I think.
See, like Bush, Delay, Sanitarium, Rove, Rice, Cheney, etc, Roberts is a Christian.
The difference is I think he actually believes in Christian ideals.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:16 pmWORFEUS,
uber 1337
January 21st, 2006 at 7:23 pmAnd he also appears to have a working brain, something the former group is noticably lacking.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:23 pmI just hope that his christian ideals don't trump his legal ideals, like so many of the wingnuts seem so eager to do.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:27 pmClif
Agreed.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:29 pmI wonder where slightly roundite went, a couple of weak posts and run, nothing like Gen Parrott, he just kept pushing his head further up the colon, probably hoping that his head would pop out the top again.
January 21st, 2006 at 7:44 pm"***** Dear Dad, Do quotes from “mainstream†socialist professors count??? Like the brilliant “fonts†of knowledge from Yale, Brown etc??? Do quotes “understanding†the 9/11 attacks “due to the greed, avarice and foriegn policy of the US†count??? mighty aphrodite"
That doesn't sound like an attack on america, it sounds like an attack on greed and avarice and policies that support that. Or do you so believe that greed and avarice are desirable and 'american values' that you find those policies and attitudes acceptable? Greed and fear often go hand in hand - so it would explain a lot if you're offended and fearful when people tell you that you're acting greedy. Republicans often seem to honor greed more than compassion, love, forgiveness or morality - so this is consistent with a rightwing opinion.
But once again, that's condemning a behavior and not a country. If those folks said 'these policies are inseparable from america, and it must be destroyed', then it would be closer to the rightwing hate and shoutfest I hear about muslim or socialist countries. Heck, your whole diatribe on socialism is a great example of the irrational hysteria that rightwing people exhibit. Why do you hate socialism so much, did a big swedish woman beat you as a child or something? It's just hysterical fear that there's no basis of. Unless you're one of those folks that don't realize socialism and communism are two different things. And if you believe they are, then I'm sure you believe conservatism and nazism are the same as well?
Try to find some balance and perspective in your life sweetie - you're starting to sound like Pat Robertson's crazy momma. And I know you're more capable and balance than that - aren't you dearie?
January 21st, 2006 at 8:04 pmThe stupidest thing a warrior can do is catoragize his enemy, thus dehumanizing him, and failing to understand his enemies motives, mindsets and goals.
January 21st, 2006 at 8:11 pmWorfeus you said warrior,..... can any of these repugs actually qualify? I mean one attribute of a warrior is bravery in the face of the enemy, not duct tape, conseccions of freedoms and brainless obediance to power,
January 21st, 2006 at 8:23 pmParticularly with regards to the enemy within.
January 21st, 2006 at 8:45 pmThat's why I laugh when idiots call people like the Dixie Chicks or Michael Moore cowards.
These people have no clue how hard it was to step up like that, and take the brunt of the countries hate and being labled traitors.
How do you stand against such Godawful power? Where can you run from the NSA or the SS. You can't. So to speak out the way Michael Moore did, too gnads. Big, brass gnads.
January 21st, 2006 at 8:47 pmOr testicular fortitude, I love sending the to their Websters scratching their heads
January 21st, 2006 at 8:57 pmKeeps em out of trouble.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:00 pmThat’s why I laugh when idiots call people like the Dixie Chicks or Michael Moore cowards.
These people have no clue how hard it was to step up like that, and take the brunt of the countries hate and being labled traitors.
How do you stand against such Godawful power? Where can you run from the NSA or the SS. You can’t. So to speak out the way Michael Moore did, too gnads. Big, brass gnads.
Comment by WORFEUS
Shut up idiot. They are cowards and traitors. Each and every one counts on the fact the USA gives them the right to be cowards and traitors. If they were brave they'd go to Red China and protest the slave labor camps. They'd go to Iran and protest the child molesting prophet of their religion of death. These aren't brave people and you are a useful fool.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:22 pmMore proof that Osama is a DNC insider and probably running mate of Hilary Clinton or Al Gore or John Kerry or whatever fucktard the Donks decide to throw at us.
Tucker Carlson: Bin Laden Getting 'Talking Points' from 'NY Times' (E&P Staff, January 21, 2006)
While much of the liberal blogosphere, and political figures such as Sen. John Kerry, remain inflamed over comments by MSNBC's Chris Matthews on "Hardball" on Thursday--in which he suggested that Osama bin Laden, in his latest video tape, sounded an awful lot like fillmmaker Michael Moore--The New York Times has also now been linked to Osama by another cable news pundit.
Later on Thursday night, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough weighed in on the subject, going beyond Moore to claim that bin Laden was also borrowing language or ideas from the likes of Howard Dean, Sen. Kerry and Sen. Ted Kennedy. His guest, Tucker Carlson, who has his own MSNBC show, then spread the net further, to include opinion columnists at The New York Times.
The exchange from the transcript follows.
*
SCARBOROUGH: Now, of course, Tucker, I'm not comparing these Democrats to Osama bin Laden, but look.
First thing, Osama talks about how our troops are terrorizing women and children in Iraq. John Kerry said the same thing in front of Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation."
Osama's saying that George Bush knows he can't win this war, something that Howard Dean said, and, also, that this was launched for political reasons, which of course Ted Kennedy said last year, that this was all dreamed up in Texas for political benefit.
CARLSON: By the merchants of war who financed Bush's presidential campaign, in the words of Osama bin Laden and many on the left. In other words, Halliburton is responsible for this war, every single talking point.
I hate to think of Osama bin Laden reclining in his cave in Waziristan, reading the op-ed page of "The New York Times."
But, clearly, he is. He's got every talking point. It's uncanny.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001882866
January 21st, 2006 at 9:25 pmWithout hatred of the “so-called left†IRI, the GOP, are nothing. This “so called left†they created is the first boogeyman they demonized to energize their radical base.
Comment by HA!
Amazing, you even deny your own existence. There's really something wrong with you do you know that?
January 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pm"“You can be arrested and not charged, you can be arrested and have no right to counsel,†said Belafonte, who called President Bush “the greatest terrorist in the world†during a trip to Venezuela two weeks ago. Belafonte, 78, made that comment after a meeting with Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez."
Nope, ain't no leftist fuckwits here boss.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:32 pmAnatomy of the greatest Leftist Fuckwit of the twentieth century. (who killed upwards of 100 million people and still managed to keep an adoring public clueless even to this day)
"Karl Marx was the foremost hater and most incessant whiner in the history of Western Civilization. He was a spoiled, overeducated brat who never grew up; he just grew more shrill as he grew older. His lifelong hatred and whining have led to the deaths (so far) of perhaps a hundred million people, depending on how many people perished under Mao’s tyranny. We will probably never know.
Whiners, if given power, readily become tyrants. Marx was seen by his contemporaries as a potential tyrant. Giuseppe Mazzini (1805-72), the Italian revolutionary, and a rival of Marx’s in the International Workingmen’s Association in the mid- 1860’s, once described Marx as “a destructive spirit whose heart was filled with hatred rather than love of mankind . . . extraordinarily sly, shifty and taciturn. Marx is very jealous of his authority as leader of the Party; against his political rivals and opponents he is vindictive and implacable; he does not rest until he has beaten them down; his overriding characteristic is boundless ambition and thirst for power. Despite the communist egalitarianism which he preaches he is the absolute ruler of his party; admittedly he does everything himself but he is also the only one to give orders and he tolerates no opposition"
http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/gnmr.pdf
January 21st, 2006 at 9:47 pm"against his political rivals and opponents he is vindictive and implacable; he does not rest until he has beaten them down; his overriding characteristic is boundless ambition and thirst for power."
Hillary, is that you?
January 21st, 2006 at 9:49 pmShut up idiot. They are cowards and traitors. Each and every one counts on the fact the USA gives them the right to be cowards and traitors. If they were brave they’d go to Red China and protest the slave labor camps
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
LOL. Well, lets not start too agressive, lol.
Shut up idiot? That's how you greet your good buddy WORFEUS?
If you were brave your lame ass would be in Iraq right now fighting alongside the young men and women you're so willing to send over there.
Puss.
January 21st, 2006 at 9:57 pmHey, I wanna make the 564th comment!
Bin Laden lives at the Crawford Ranch where Bushie gives him hand jobs daily.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pmIf you were brave your lame ass would be in Iraq right now fighting alongside the young men and women you’re so willing to send over there.
Puss.
Comment by WORFEUS
In that case your being against the war is just a dodge because you are a chicken shit.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:10 pmBin Laden lives at the Crawford Ranch where Bushie gives him hand jobs daily.
Comment by Susan
What's a hand job? Please explain.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:11 pmYou're taking too long Susan. No fair looking it up.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:17 pmThis should be about the end of this thread. I guess we can safely say Chris Mathews was right about Moore. The fact is Moore hasn't even tried to deny it or come up with a plausible explanation why Osama's rants mirror his own and those of the Left. Case closed.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:22 pm"I know you are but what am I?"
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006 @ 10:10 pm
January 21st, 2006 at 10:22 pmThis should be about the end of this thread
Comment by I-CHICKENHAWK-I — January 21, 2006 @ 10:22 pm
No, but it should be about the end of you.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:24 pmWhat a slow troll you are I-DINGLEBERRY-I.
It takes you 15 minutes to think up a really lame middle school reponse to almost anything.
You are boring for a troll.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:27 pmAnd last night I said some nice things about you when you were not even here.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pmOh well, I can hear the gears a turning, and I smell smoke, so either you just smashed your CRT or you're busy coming up with something.
Don't hurt yourself.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pmIt’s a good day. no one is paying lip service to irighty’s rants.
Comment by kindness
Translation: I-RIGHT-I ever the beacon for truth and light, staunch defender of the American Way, Apple Pie, Hot Moms and women under 30 with a materialistic bent and low self esteem, shut the mouths of the Filthy Left. It was a good day. Nite all.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:30 pmWow, it took you 20 Minutes to come up with that?
Perhaps I have overestimated you.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pmwell since you called Worfeus a chicken shit, then answer me this o mighty IRI... How come if you have all this bluster that you so freely give to us herew, you can't find the BALLS to run to the nearest recruitment station and sign up for the next opening in basic training so that you will qualify for overseas deployment, after basic skip the leave just hurry over there to stand YOUR place in the line, I mean you are so good at telling us what needs to be done by others, how about you BTW I already served in the first gulf war so the C_S remark doiesn't apply but i know you'll be able th swiftboat me BRING IT ON
January 21st, 2006 at 10:33 pmNow that's odd, how come everytime WORFEUS's Clock Cleaning Service comes out to play, I-RUN-I has someplace to be?
Hmmmmm...
January 21st, 2006 at 10:33 pmIt was a good day. Nite all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 21, 2006 @ 10:30 pm
Translation?
WORFEUS cleans my clock EVERYTIME I run into him so I had better scoot now while I'm behind.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:35 pmOh well, I'm here when you need me I-MOUTAHERE-I.
WORFEUS is at your service.
January 21st, 2006 at 10:37 pmAT 10:24 PM WORFEUS SAID TO I-SPLIT-I
"No, but it should be about the end of you."
6 MINUTES LATER I-RUNAWAY-I SAID
"It was a good day. Nite all."
WORFEUS MUST BE A PROPHET
January 21st, 2006 at 10:41 pmIRI and Mighty Aphrodite-
When you come up with something original like looking up research so you can find the truth like we non-trolls do, then maybe we'll accept what you say as non-fiction. And I do mean MAYBE!
January 21st, 2006 at 11:24 pm[...] Today, CBS’ Bob Schieffer borrowed a page from Chris Matthews. NewsMax reports: Asked whether bin Laden had expressed “almost the same” sentiments that [Sen. John] Kerry did during an appearance on [Bob] Schieffer’s “Face the Nation” broadcast in December, the CBS anchorman told WABC Radio’s Mark Simone: “Well, he did. That’s exactly right.” [...]
January 21st, 2006 at 11:29 pmIsn't it a strange coincidence how the left and Democrat party's statements on Bush and the War match up word for word with Saddam, Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda?
Chris Mathews is on the left and makes an obvious and innocent statement of fact about the Democrats and they come unglued and call him a right-wing shill.
Yeah, that's why Zel Miller invited him to duel, because he is such a Bush guy (lol)
The funny (not the ha ha kind) thing is that the "Blinded by Bush hate" liberals can't even admit the truth.
Like it or not, they are on the same side as who we are fighting against. (the enemy)
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:47 amDemocrats see Bush as the enemy and Republicans see Al Qaeda as the enemy.
Fortunately, the majority of voters see the terrorists as the enemy, not Bush.
But, where does that leave the Dem's?
carrying a "Bush Lied" sign.
I-R-I,your uncanny resemblance to a stool sample (probably a clone)is astonishing! But if you truly feel the need to be a Turd, go lay in the yard, K? You have the consequence of a fruit fly, and are tiresome to boot. Aren't there some babies you can go take some candy from? Go on now, shoo! scat!
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:49 amRed's tater you can't read very well cause if you could you'd have read the fact that Matthews states that he is conservative and that he even voted for bubble-boy so that the rest of your rant can be seen as a typical illiterate shrill the facts not withstanding
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:21 amYou are all a bunch of tools...for the political parties. It does not matter at all what you say here or refer to when criticizing the television idiots, religious right, rnc, etc. By not going out and stopping these people, all of them, you just become a warm comfortable tool of the deciet. BTW, you might want to pick a history book now and then and turn the tv off. This is all same shit different decade. Rise up and take them all down.
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 ambush + co thought the 'war' would be
1)a cakewalk
2)an act of revenge for Sept. 11 that would console the American psyche
they were dead wrong about 1), and about half wrong about 2
how many of y'all feel the war in Iraq showed them ragheads who's boss?
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 amLike it or not, they are on the same side as who we are fighting against. (the enemy)
Democrats see Bush as the enemy and Republicans see Al Qaeda as the enemy.
Fortunately, the majority of voters see the terrorists as the enemy, not Bush.
But, where does that leave the Dem’s?
carrying a “Bush Lied†sign.
Comment by Red's Tater #581
inb'Red T'raitor,
Your god Bushiva and his criminal cabal are the worst scum to overtake the U.S. government since the pre-Civil War racist southern democrats...
We the people (Progressives) want to stop this senseless carnage and waste of treasure, if bin Laden wants to use that to stop the war and end terrorism then so be it!
Fu*k yo