Matthews: “People Misunderstood What I Said Last Night”
Matthews: “People Misunderstood What I Said Last Night”
Last night on Hardball, Chris Matthews said Osama Bin Laden “sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore, if not a Michael Moore.”
Tens of thousands of people visited a website — http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/ — demanding Matthews apologize to Moore.
During tonight’s show, Matthews didn’t apologize. Instead he claimed that he was misunderstood:
MATTHEWS: Why is he doing it? Why is he trying to track what he picks up in the internet and from the media as the lingo of the left in America, like Moore? Why would he start to talk like Moore? People misunderstood what I said last night. I think he’s getting some advice from people, he’s getting some lingo, some wordage that he hears working in the United States about this thing for war profiteers and he’s jumping on every opportunity. Is that what you are saying Joe?
SCARBOROUGH: Listen, if somebody can’t look at the words that Bin Laden said last night and match them up with what Michael Moore said, with what John Kerry said on Face the Nation with he said Americans were terrorizing Iraqi women and children in their homes hat night, which is what Bin Laden in effect said. What Ted Kennedy has been saying. Remember he said after Abu Ghraib that Saddam’s torture chambers were turned over to — chambers were turned over to new management, U.S. troops, that’s the same thing Bin Laden hit on.
Sounds a lot like another smear to me.
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It’s not a smear. It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:47 pmFuc*ing whores, both of them. I haven’t watched Hardball in months and I refuse to tune in again. Matthews has been completely exposed as a shill and an apologist for this administration and the rightwing. Pathetic.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:51 pmJudd,
Quick thing: Shouldn’t “Saddam’s torture came bers” read “Saddam’s torture chambers“?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:52 pmThat’s unbelieveable. These people still think we should be in Vietnam I guess.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:53 pmBin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 20, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
When I think you cannot surprise me anymore, you outdo yourself.
Care to back up your nonsense with evidence?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pmYea he does buy listening to the TV bush provided to him while he lounges at the ranch waiting to produce next fear tape so that Bush-Cheny-Rove can spin the public discourse from the current embarassment of the republication party.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pmSCARBOROUGH is clearly trying to get his numbers up. Isn’t NBC having a hard time with ratings?
January 20th, 2006 at 7:55 pmAnd now he just slathered Ted Kennedy with Abu Ghraib, torture and Bin laden. Is he Chris Robertson or Pat Matthews? It takes a whack job to know one.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:56 pmBin Laden doesn’t have to get his ‘talking points’ from anyone. Especially if the US is bombing places to “soften” targets that they often miss..completely. cough*Pakistan*cough..
the concept of collateral damage is soulless and evil.
it is fuel for recruiting terrorists.
what would all these government gansters say to troops who have served(yet are against the war)..who are STILL serving(yet are against the war)..and have no other financial options but to enlist..(but are against the war).
keep spilling the blood of our youth you devils.
you can’t F#&* the world without eventually getting F#*#ed back.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pmTens of thousands on one web address, not to mention how many of us wrote directly to him and MSNBC via Emails, contacted Matthews, and Tweety says we all misunderstood him. He is the one who is in the position of communicator and he says our ears/brains failed us — arrogant putz! He is a Bushite all right — never admit an error, right or wrong - always claim right.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pmI could never imagine having to pull my head that far out of my ass.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pm#11 - not only do i come to this site for debunking of government twists on truth (or flat out lies)…
but for comments like yours.
thank you. thank you very much.
January 20th, 2006 at 7:59 pm#6, Clif,
January 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pmHiding in plain sight is a growing consensus.
OBL has put on his Levis, boots and ten-gallon hat, shaved his beard and is hiding out in southwest Texas. Flown here incognito by Bush’s Saudi friends.
Gary Ruppert is like Matthews. Both are so full of hate, fear and irrationality that they attack their fellow americans who are good and decent people. Gary, I feel pity for you, and how lost you are. I forgive you and Matthews for your weakness, cowardice and inability to apologize for your failures.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:05 pmMarie - No wonder Bush wants to be on the ranch so much, makes comparing notes so much easier, plus planning so they can raddle their sabers and incite their followers
January 20th, 2006 at 8:07 pmThe trolls get faster and faster. Ruppert comes up number one defending these silly television whores. Well, it’s a tough economy and I guess the RNC at least pays the minimum wage. Unless, of course, Ruppert works out of India.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:08 pmMatthews was hoisted on his own petard last night and, as one would expect, he will not admit that he was wrong. Gary Ruppert and Matthews and Ari Fleischer and Don Rumsfeld and a lot of other people on the far right are saying essentially the same thing “watch what you say, watch what you do”. These people should educate themselves and purchase Perilous Times- Free Speech in Wartime- From the Sedition Act of 1798 to the War on Terrorism, written by Geoffrey R. Stone, a Professor of Law at the University of Chicago. As the title indicates, going back to 1798 in this country, the government in this country has tried to suppress free speech in this country during war time, a right that Americans have under something in this country called the United States Constitution. This may be shocking to Mr. Ruppert and Mr. Matthews, and others, but Americans are allowed to speak and have their voices heard, even when this country is engaged in war time activities. To repeat, that right is NOT prohibited under the U.S. Constitution. I have checked numerous times and I have been unable to find where the First Amendment has been repealed. Until it has, then the far right would do well to remember that if one tries to restrict the right to speak out, even when this country is at war [which is usually quite often] then the terrorists will realize that their best weapon- fear- will have won out over rational thought and the right ro be free.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmThere ya go Marie, that’s what I have been saying. Some of us old crones have got the moxie and the where with all to follow through. Right wingers and men are not the only people who walk softly and pack a big gun. It is a fact women are better shots when they practice, both with their intelect and ammo… Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmBin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
Watch out Gary, some of the liberals here will make some nasty remark about your mother or such in order to get back at you for making horseshit remarks. I mean, a few of them have absolutly no class.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you and I know just how low a few of will sink in order to take a jab at you.
By the way, just how is your mom? She still have that coarse wad of hair in her armpit or did you buy her a shaver for Christmas?
January 20th, 2006 at 8:14 pmSharon, Marie,
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January 20th, 2006 at 8:17 pmThanks, Jay, I will.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:23 pmSorry I was off point everyone. On point, I don’t watch this Matthews or who ever bunch. Their just a bunch of lieing right winged screamers. I listen to NPR, some C-Span the internet and my local sound bites. Theres plenty of truth to follow. Note some of these trolls are getting quite upset. Still bringing out ancient history and personal attacks. To bad they have no facts to persuade new recruits, guess they will be a dying breed…LOL…Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWhere did Gary go? As soon as someone asks him to back up his statements with evidence, he’s out of here like George Bush at a spelling bee.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWhat a bunch of f#cking assholes. Truly. The f#cking media establishment are a microcosm of the dumbest, most insular and most offensive people in this country.
Here’s a revolutionary idea, media jerks - Bin Laden wasn’t speaking to America. He was speaking to Muslims, especially in the Middle East. That’s Bin Laden’s constituency, the people who he wants to recruit to his cause. He isn’t all that interested in opinion polls, talking points and other DC political gimmicks. He cares about winning support in the Islamic world.
His latest offering - the so-called “truce”, which would inevitably be rejected - has been done by Bin Laden to make himself look reasonable and the one wanting to bring stability to Iraq. You know the Bin Laden tagline of the American infidels trampling all over Muslim lands? THIS IS JUST A F#CKING CONTINUATION OF THE SAME F#CKING STORY; it’s me, Osama, who wants to solve your problems. The Americans want to destroy you and your religion.
And every f#cking day we allow Bin Laden’s propaganda go virtually unchallenged on the most popular tv station in the Arab world, and worry instead about which party sounds more like the Al-qaeda number 1, we waste our f#cking breath.
And I hate to say it, we make absolutely zero progress in dealing with the threat Al-qaeda still poses.
And I will make one final point in case it isn’t quite obvious enough - the reason some people “sound like” Bin Laden is because they too are trying to reach out to the masses in the Middle East, who we want on our side, and not turning into suicide bombers. Of course, Chris Matthews and his idiot squad in the media couldn’t in a million years figure this out.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:26 pmI am not certain, but didnt Bin Laden present his speech in Arabic? If so who translated it? Seriously is Matthews this obtuse? He too is a pissed stained carnival barker
January 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pmTrust me, Google: Matthews is a dick. I think the page has a lot to say.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:32 pmosama gets his talking points from the left becuz he isn’t real…anyone who believes osama is really doing all these things needs to wake up…puhlease…
January 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmIf Ben Lauden is getting ideas and talking points from anywhere it is from the on going sleeze campaign of the likes of Bush, Rove, Matthews, Scarbrough, Hannity, Gibson, Coulter, O’Beirne, Limpballs and all the rest of the scum that passes for the Neoncon wing of the Republican party. They can all say of themselves…we have met the enemy and it is us. Dems and Progressives have had enough of this crap and it is about time we fight back with every legal means we can. If we shove their words right back down their collective throats, every time they open their poison-filled mouths, maybe they will shut up. If that doesn’t work their is always concrete for each of them.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmi’m still waiting on real evidence that osama had anything to do with 911…
January 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pmHere’s the thing, the Bin Laden “video” is not authnetic. It’s tantamount to the never-ending domestic terrorist threats that we were exposed to in the runup to the last election or the warnings by the administration that Iraq and it’s imaginary WMD posed an imminent threat to our “homeland”. Blatant fearmongering, fabrications, bullshit. We’re supposed to believe that Bin Laden is watching American polling data from his mountain cave. LOL!
Come on, this is about drumming up the fear again to get the American public used to the idea that Iran can’t be allowed to go unchecked in their (non)pursuit of nuclear capability.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pmYou know, I’m constantly amazed by how often the Right-Wing is always “misunderstood” Maybe a simple course in communication is called for. Or maybe it’s just us “po’ ignorant folk” don’t get their complicated ideas…
January 20th, 2006 at 8:41 pmKeep in mind - having Bush in office has been one of the best things that could have happened to Bin Laden. He wanted our troops out of Saudi Arabia, he was opposed to Saddam’s secular rule of Iraq, he wanted to see Iraq as an Islamic theocracy and he always needs new recruits to his cause.
Bush’s war has now put the world at great risk of Iraq becoming a Shiite theocracy - similar to Iran, we’ve either already pulled our troops out of Saudia Arabia or have, at least, stated we’re planning to do so (since we can now base them out of Iraq or some such other nonsensical justification), Saddam is out of power and the things we’ve done in Iraq have angered and outraged so many in the Middle East that Bin Laden is having NO trouble finding more who want to fight on behalf of Al Qaeda.
What’s my point? Well, by making it possible for the right wing to get all up in arms about how Bin Laden sounds just like the Democrats, it’ll rally the right-wing base and make them all that much more determined to stay in control of the country. I mean, what more could he ask for than keeping the status quo for as long as possible - it’s been so good for him.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:41 pmIn classic form, Matthews and Scarborough use this “misunderstanding” as an opportunity to align more Democrats w/ Bin Laden. The fact that Scarborough goes beyond Matthews to include Kerry and Kennedy is just over-the-top. Those two poodles are downright vicious.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:52 pmThank’s for the info Jay. Good point’s all……Blessings
January 20th, 2006 at 8:53 pmScarborough is a cartoon character. Does anybody know where a link to MSNBC’s ratings can be found? I’d love to know how significant an audience these douchenozzles are garnering.
January 20th, 2006 at 8:56 pmMy letter to Matthews:
“Dear Chris Matthews and the MSNBC Staff,
I have read the many excellent comments at the website http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/
I was disappointed to see that you did not apologize for your remarks on your show today. In fact you seem to have enlisted Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and Rita Cosby to respond to your critics on the blogosphere. In the future, let me recommend that you respond yourself rather than using surrogates. Let me also recommend that you create an open forum for your audience to communicate with you.”
January 20th, 2006 at 9:03 pm#1 he may get his talking points from the Dems but he got his weapons and useful recruiting points from the Repubs.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:06 pmLiberals are revealiing themselves as vile hateful children when they are confronted with opinions and facts that they don’t agree with. With Judd’s encouragement, Powerlineblog gets a bunch of name calling emails. Michelle Malkin is called a kunt in an email from a hysterical liberal. Emailer gets fired from job. Washington Post has to shut down their blog when the ombudsman brings up the fact that Abramoff donated or directed funds to Democrats.
“There were so many personal attacks that the newspaper’s staff could not “keep the board clean, there was some pretty filthy stuff,” and so the Post shut down comments on the blog, or Web log, said Jim Brady, executive editor of washingtonpost.com.”
Now Chrissy Matthews is getting smeared by fanatic liberals.
And look at all the TP bloggers name calling (trolls, terrorists, retard, moron, dumbshit, nazi, etc.) anyone not in lockstep with TP’s chopped up quotes, spin, misinformation and lies. It got so bad Judd had to remind his robots of the blog rules. Ryan Neat has even come back here to smear Judd, calls him a prick. Proves that these liberal bloggers are incapable of respectful discussion. Unhinged indeed.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:08 pmEven if Matthews & Scarborough are correct, what relevence does it have that Osama is aping what Moore and Kerry have said? What possible relevence does it have to make that comparsion? Does it mean that every time some enemy of the US makes the same argument as a US citizen, that US citizen should be silenced?
What exactly is Matthews saying here?
January 20th, 2006 at 9:12 pmI’m starting to get the sinking feeling that Matthews comments will simply fuel BushCo’s Admin to reign back our rights to comment on the blogs and our free speech. Let’s hope I’m wrong. In the meantime, keep speaking the truth.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:17 pmPhinga,
It’s called civil war. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the concept and be prepared to fight. Now quit your whining and go somewhere that welcomes lies, misinformation and hypocrisy. Oh and don’t let the cookies hitcha in the arse on the way out.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:21 pmHere’s what I think is going on. Tweety is using bin Laden who is using Bush.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:21 pm#39 Phinga Beng,
You are overgeneralizing there a bit, Phinga. There’s enough bile and hatred on both sides to say the same thing about right-wingers. Euguene Phelps, Pat Robertson, Cheney saying “f*ck off” on the floor of the Senate, swift boat attacks on Kerry and Murtha, whisper campaigns against McCain, hate and lie spewing public relations operatives like Ann Coulter, Mike Savage, Kate O’Biern, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc.
You’re painting a caricature with your comments and making broad sweeping statements that don’t really hold up. The majority of Americans are moderate and fall some where around the center. Defining all liberals as you have is as wrong as painting all conservatives as racist, jingoistic, religous zealots.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:24 pmt’s not a smear. It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 20, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
show me how so gary.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pmphinga,
January 20th, 2006 at 9:29 pmif they told thew truth there would be no need to correct them. and yes sometimes ther are corrected harshly but when they try to spew the lies they do and act like they are innocent well…how else can you handle “adult children”. They must be scolded and unlike real children they should have had this done a long time ago and it takes a lot more stronger language to get it through their deadened skulls.
Secretary of State Rice’s response to the disaster in New Orleans was: “The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time.â€
thus spoke she volumes of her own demise, for she hast brought death unto herself
January 20th, 2006 at 9:30 pmand thru her words death has been cast
January 20th, 2006 at 9:31 pmPhinga Beng, isn’t the term fanatic liberal in your world redundant? Please feel free to get a full refund of any fees or surcharges you feel you were wrongly charged for upon entrance into where you are right now. Could you please for the common decency of it all just post something we can read other than just your word for it or sadly enough it will be taken as just YOUR word only. respectful discussion compared to what? Can you remember the Glenn Campbell song: I am A Lineman For The County….
January 20th, 2006 at 9:32 pmWith Judd’s encouragement, Powerlineblog gets a bunch of name calling emails. Michelle Malkin is called a kunt in an email from a hysterical liberal. Emailer gets fired from job. Washington Post has to shut down their blog when the ombudsman brings up the fact that Abramoff donated or directed funds to Democrats.
Comment by Phinga Beng — January 20, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
Wow! Judd was responsible for all that!? Frankly, you sound a little hysterical yourself.
You should stick around: Your fellow conservatives have posted worst comments than any of the things you mention (racial slurs for one).
Now Chrissy Matthews is getting smeared by fanatic liberals.
Smeared? How? Didn’t he say that Osama Bin Laden “sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore, if not a Michael Moore.”? Is that not true?
And look at all the TP bloggers name calling (trolls, terrorists, retard, moron, dumbshit, nazi, etc.) anyone not in lockstep with TP’s chopped up quotes, spin, misinformation and lies. It got so bad Judd had to remind his robots of the blog rules.
Aah, I love it when people complaint about the name-calling, and then proceed head-on to insult people in this blog.
Ryan Neat has even come back here to smear Judd, calls him a prick. Proves that these liberal bloggers are incapable of respectful discussion. Unhinged indeed.
I repeat myself: You should really read some of the comments your fellow conservatives leave behind, all filled with racist slurs, and insults to everyone in this blog. The angry comments are usually in response to an ad hominem attack by your fellow conservatives.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:36 pmOBL tape = DNC talking points
This is a borderline wingnut conspiracy theory. The wingers are so used to hearing people speak from inside the bubble, that when they hear people from outside the bubble talking about reality, they notice the similarities and immediately assume they must be in cohoots.
Not that I depend on either one as a source for news, understand, but there’s probably more that’s accurate and truthful in OBL’s tapes than in anything that comes out of the mouth of Dick Cheney.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:37 pm“It’s the truth.
Bin Laden gets his talking points from the Democrat Party”.
Well…it’s more Bush does not know and practice being truthful.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmhey ruppert, what - i gotta tell you again?
it’s DemocratIC party…no such thing as “democrat party”…
that’s twice, now…get smart!
#9 catalyst and #25 dumb fox have it right (not to play favorites)…
January 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmthere’s your letter to matthews…
I can hear you through the wine…. I know I need a small vacation
January 20th, 2006 at 9:55 pm[…] Update: Matthews did not apologize. He said he was ‘misunderstood.’ […]
January 20th, 2006 at 9:57 pmchris matthews is a mule for the republican party. rather than challenge those in power he sucks up to them. this is today’s media. corporate media. dems need to start using this phrase “corporate media”. we battle not only the republicans but the media that permits them.
mc
January 20th, 2006 at 10:00 pmMichael Moore and OBL do in fact use very similar talking points. Calling Matthews a bunch of juvenile names will not change that fact one iota.
Rather than attacking the messenger, you lefties should worry that you sound like a bunch of hate-filled spokesmen for al Qaeda.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:08 pmMatthews is a Democrat, mike
January 20th, 2006 at 10:08 pmI’d like to see Tweety try to get Olbermann to guest on his program the same way his bitch, Scarborough did tonight.
No, we did not misunderstand. It was heard by us, verbatim.
#36 Jay. A couple of years ago, Little Joey Scarborough whined about Danny Glover doing ads for a phone company because of his opposition to the Iraq war. The company, like all cowards, gave in and replaced him. They should have told Little Joey Shithead to go suck a…. well… it rhymes with block. :)
From now on though, Olbermann will be our voice on MSNBC.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#58 Like Ex Gov. Miller of georgia is a democrat
January 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pmGlover wasn’t fired because he’s against the war, he was fired becasue he’s a racist who hates America.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:15 pmHey, C’mon, let’s give up. These were not “talking heads”! Review the tape! They were all “bobbing heads”. Why wasn’t Olbermann included. I guess because he has ethics. These assholes do not. Fuck it, I’m moving to Canada. I give up!
PeeJ
January 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pmhmmm…now where could Gary have possibly gotten that line?
parrot much?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:18 pmMichael Moore wants to save American lives, Osama Bin Laden wants to take them. I see the similiarities.
Bin Laden believes liberal, progressive values have destroyed the moral fabric of modern society. Moore fights for those same values.
Other than their hatred of George Bush, the two men have nothing in common. The fact that you judge people by their respect for Bush shows how simple-minded you are and how much you clearly would welcome the Bush dictatorship that he will try to install once Alito gets confirmed.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:20 pmHow come everyone was so quick to compare Michael Moore to Osama Bin Laden? Matthews, Hannity and all the other Bush apologists were on this right away furiously spinning this in Bush’s favor the exact same way. By the time the tape was shown in America, the entirety of our mainstream media had their talking points lined up. Having watched “Outfoxed”, I’m even more convinced that the media gets their talking points directly from the Bush administration.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:25 pmThe big Red Herring here is the perception that Bin Ladens calls for peice with Alqueada are somehow associated with the lefts opposition to what unnecessary war.
Our war with Bin Laden and his followers, those responsible for 911 is real, and just because we leave Iraq, does not mean were not going to keep trying to get him. (well, start trying at least)
January 20th, 2006 at 10:30 pmwhat would all these government gansters say to troops who have served(yet are against the war)..who are STILL serving(yet are against the war)..and have no other financial options but to enlist..(but are against the war).
keep spilling the blood of our youth you devils.
you can’t F#&* the world without eventually getting F#*#ed back.
Comment by catalyst — January 20, 2006 @ 7:57 pm
January 20th, 2006 at 10:32 pmThat IS the BEST COMMENT I HAVE SEEN YET ON T.P.
That is the REAL TRUTH, Thank YOU CATALIST !
#57 5 O’Clock Wally, at it again
Tsk, tsk tsk. You can change your name, but you can’t change the nincompoopery.
#58 Wally
January 20th, 2006 at 10:33 pmMore nincompoopery. Chris Matthews is not a Democrat, he’s a media poodle. He has been voting for his bank account for some time right now. He was one of the worst in the smear Gore in 2000 campaign.
Notice that the lefties are not even attempting to refute the fact that Moore and OBL sound the same, they’re just whining because Matthews dared to point out the obvious.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:33 pm…and M. Duchamp arrives to demonstrate my point. Thank you. LOL
January 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pmMatthews is a democrat? Where did you get that info?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pm#69,
Moore and OBL do NOT sound the same. They both inject their hatred of Bush into their speech, but if you can’t get beyond the black and white view of people as either liking Bush or hating Bush you are a truly pathetic human being who deserves to live in a Bush dictatorship where civil rights are a thing of the past.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:37 pmPeople,people,people. Gary Rupert is from Great Britain. Leave it be. America dosnt need Great Britain getting into American Politics. They have their own Politics in Their own Nation(Never could understand them getting involved with Bushes war on terror, the creep Blair)!
January 20th, 2006 at 10:37 pmFight the power, the similarities of the talking points go beyond the shared hatred of President Bush. Moore referring to the terrorists in Iraq as “freedom fighters”, for example, was not a comment about the president. It was a statement of support for the enemy.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:40 pm57 - “…Calling Matthews a bunch of juvenile names will not change that fact one iota.”
eh? that you wally? sure sounds like you, wally…
January 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pmcall yourself “parrot” now? …imagine that…
Fight the power is also demonstrating my point nicely. Thank you.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pmThey only sound the same to someone who ignores the stated goals of each, Moore wants to speak truth to power whether GM, GWB, NRA, or others, He wants to empower the citizens of this country, Bin Laden wants to reestablish the chaiph which was broken up after WW1 by the British when they broke up the Ottoman empire and created the current boundries of the current middle east countries.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:44 pmMatthews was not misunderstood. He knew exactly what he was saying. His turn to the right is real disappointing. He failed to mention that OBL should have been captured and/or executed by now. Bush promised us that. Remember “dead or alive”? Matthews also failed to recollect that the 9-11 commission gave his boy D’s and F’s in his preparation to stop terror attacks. All this is really making me feel safe. OBL’s reappearance is proof that Bush is an utter failure in the war on terror. But no, it’s Micheal Moore, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry’s fault. How low can these rightie creeps go?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmamigos ajos esta malo
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmUSA PATRIOT- You sure don’t live by that nickname.
All you do is troll about things you have no experience with. To you, a good black man is someone who would be one of your plantation slaves. With that in mind, you are the racist and you apparently suck up to the corporation’s cock.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pmthat dude got some weird eyes
January 20th, 2006 at 10:46 pm#70 Wally
What point would that be, Wally? You never make a point, that’s the thing. You’re here to derail discussions and waste time.
Matthews has been making the rounds at Republican fund-raising events for years. He spoke at a Log Cabin Republican’s gathering in New Orleans in April of 2005. He trashed Gore all through the 2000 campaign.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:49 pmJIMBO, calling me names accompishes nothing except making you look foolish. Carry on. LOL
Clif, no one said Moore and OBL have the same goals. The point remains, their statments are very similar.
Incidentally, if Moore wants to speak the truth, why does he lie all the time and make dishonest anti-American propaganda films?
http://www.moorelies.com/
January 20th, 2006 at 10:50 pmi can’t believe everyone just accepts this tape of obl to be real….just becuz the cia said so? please, this is a diversion from the pakistani bombing last week.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:54 pmM. Duchamp, you cannot refute a point by simply saying no point was made. How childish.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:56 pmGeoff, the bombing in Pakistan reportedly killed several high-level members of al Qaeda. Why would anyone want to divert attention from that?
January 20th, 2006 at 10:58 pmusa patriot…no bodies have been identified…ppl at the scene have reported its a crap story…a bunch of civilians were killed.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pmI read that Matthews was scheduled to attend a fund raising for Capital Athletics. This was a charity of Jack Abramoff’s. This was before the indictment. Due to some type of problem the event was cancelled.
Why isn’t anyone reporting this??
January 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pmWell if the goals are different then the statements meanings are different, therefore mattews is disenginous when he claims that Bin Laden sounds like Moore, because they DO NOT have the same goals as Mattews and alot more on the right in this issue would like us to believe. mattews was just using a normal wingnut piece of spintrickery … point out a percieved similarity and then paint both with the same brush where the claims of both can be dismissed without anyother investigation as to the merits. Bin Laden motives do harm to the citizens of this country where as Moores do not
January 20th, 2006 at 11:02 pmThe tape’s probably a fake. But that isn’t the point here, the issue that osama made a similar statement as Michael Moore, and it’s just more stupid right wing spin. See it don’t matter what was said, as much as who says it. If your little sister said “I’m going to kill you if you do that again” is not the same as if Al Capone said it. For cryin out loud…..
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmGeoff, People on the scene denied there were terrorists there? Well, then that settles it! People associating with terrorists never lie! ROFL
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmUSA Patriot,
What do you say we head down to the local recruiting office, you and I, and sign ourselves up for duty. I understand that the military is falling way short of its goals and, well, there’s a war on terra that needs a few good men. What do you say Patriot?>
January 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pmClif, again, no one claimed the goals were the same. Stop lying.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:04 pmWell if the goals are different then the statements meanings are different
Good point Clif. Kind of like when Bush said he promised to uphold the constitution at his second inaugural while knowing he was circumventing it.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:05 pmJay, Sure, sounds good. I’ll come by and pick you up. What’s your address?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:05 pmMLDB, the president has not circumvented the Constitution, like the Democrats do daily.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:06 pmpatriot…so you just believe media reports without any proof when the source is cia and pakistani intelligence agencies? do you think the reporters followed up and verified the information they recieved? rofl…and is al-queda even a real organization? oh yeah…its not…quit playing stupid…
January 20th, 2006 at 11:08 pmUSA…your rhetorical prowess far surpasses mine. I cannot even compete.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:10 pm4 Longfellow Road, Nashua NH. I’ll be waiting for you.
The only thing more annoying than a loudmouthed rightwing nitwit that wouldn’t understand American foreign policy if it bit him in the ass, is a person so insecure with his love of country that he has to wear it on his sleeve in all facets of life. Don’t tell me, you have magentic ribbons on your car alongside your W bumpersticker too right?
As*holes always let you know who they are.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:11 pmHey patroit enlighten me exactly how am I lying
January 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pmNotice that the lefties are not even attempting to refute the fact that Moore and OBL sound the same, they’re just whining because Matthews dared to point out the obvious.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 20, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
The fact that Osama Bin Laden chose to try to divide the nation is not at all surprising, nor is the rights willingness to be sucked in once again by his obvious tactics.
He plays you guys like a cheap banjo.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:14 pmHey wait a minute ole patriot….. I did and you accused me of lying
January 20th, 2006 at 11:16 pmWORLDCANTWAIT.ORG. ANYONE SEE TODAYS AD? THEY ARE GOING AFTER THESE BASTARDS AND I ALMOST BET AFTER FEB 4TH EITHER HEADS ARE GONNA START ROLLING OR MARSHALL LAW WILL BE PUT INTO PLAY. GUARANTEED ITS GONNA GET NASTY FOLKS.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:18 pmWORFEUS…or a guitar
January 20th, 2006 at 11:19 pmIF BUSH WANTS A WAR WITH AMERICANS AS THE ENEMY HE WILL GET AMERICANS AS HIS ENEMY PRONTO.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:19 pm#96, Wally said:
What country/alternate universe do you live in? The executive and legislative branches of the USA has been controlled by Republicans for the last 6 years. The legislative branch, which has been run for 12 years. How can you say that about Dems?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:20 pmWe undestood completely. Matthews is a TOOL. No misunderstanding there. AND GARY RUPPERT aka JEFF GANNON aka Deborah Howell (with wig).
HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!!
I just went to Wa Po and the ACLU has GREAT FUCKING AD’s running on NSA SPYING. ITS GREAT TO SEE HOWELL AND BUSH AND THE ACLU TOGETHER……HAHAHAHA…..BILL….HAHAHAH…..Clinton did it…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH..khlkkk
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#88 The event which you were referring to was one Chrissy Matthews did attend. You may have to go to the Daily Kos webblog to find out more.
The mainstream media will never cover it. That’s why people like Chrissy Matthews and USA UNPATRIOT are afraid.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:25 pmThey, like the politicians and the assholes at Enron are scums of the earth.
It’s gotten to a point where I can no longer listen to Chrism Matthew’s, who I might add, grew up right down the road from where I live in Northeast, Philadelphia
At one time Matthew’s was in fact a Democrat, and now that he’s making over a mill a year at MSNBC he has to play the corporate card. Especially because of the fact that General Electric owns NBC, CNBC and MSNBC and they donated quite a bit of money to the Bush junta.
Matthew’s has lost it! And Joe Scarborough? He’s a fraud! So too is Rita Cosby who use to work at Fox.
The person I loathe the most is Nora O’Donnel. She has her nose so far up this administrations arse it isn’t funny.
Take care all.
Munich
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January 20th, 2006 at 11:30 pmLiberals whine and moan, conservatives document. Here’s the side-by-side comparison of Moore’s words and OBL’s words. The similarities are obvious:
January 20th, 2006 at 11:32 pmhttp://www.anklebitingpundits.com/ index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=110
Well I have to admit I don’t share the same opinions of Chris Matthews or Nora Odonnel.
Chris is pretty balanced. I watch Hardball every day, and I see him be pretty hard on the right, particularly the Bush administration.
I don’t agree with everything he says, and this recent remark pissed me off but he does some good too.
And Nora? Well, she’s just hot.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:36 pmMunich, I second your call on Norah O’Donnell. She’s a despicable human being. All of these fraudulent hacks are having a ball with their insider status and their fat paychecks, every one of them laughs all the way to the bank (they deserve what someone is willing to pay them but the don’t tell us your a journalist). Of course they are going to have to take responsibility for a HUGE slice of the who killed our democracy pie. History will be very unkind to all of them.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:37 pmLike I said USA Patriot, like a cheap, cheap banjo.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:37 pmOf course, if Bush had unleashed every option on Bin Laden at Tora Bora we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:40 pmWORFEUS,
I respect your opinion but I must admit I’m surprised that you still believe in Matthews. If you haven’t already, please take a quick peek at this:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512230005
January 20th, 2006 at 11:40 pmOk Jay. I will take a look.
But Nora’s still hot. Really, really hot.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:41 pmSo what are these apologists for Matthews trying to say. That Moore should give up his right as an American to speak his mind because of something Bin Laden says. Isn’t this giving in to the terrorists? If that isn’t a sign of cowardice, to give up our freedom of speech because of Bin Laden, and to have other Americans telling us to give it up, I don’t know what is.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pmOh she’s a babe, I’ll grant you that, but it’s certainly only skin deep.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pmWhy is Osama bin Laden still on the lose?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pm#113 5′OClock Wally, aka USA Patriot
An American citizen (Michael Moore) voicing his opposition to the president of his own country, is not comparable to a murdering terrorist (OBL) voicing opposition to his sworn enemy.
You can’t possibly draw this comparison. If OBL used Reagan or Bush rhetoric in a speech, would that mean that they are the same as well? These comparisons that Matthews makes are moronic. He must really think that his audience is a comprised of fools if they believe such things. I won’t defend Michael Moore’s views, because he can be a kook times too — but I will defend Moore’s right as an American to voice his opposition to the leader of his own country. Sorry Wally, Matthews was waaaaaaay off base.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:47 pmsgiff, Who said Moore should give up his right to speak his America-hating mind? I haven’t seen anyone say that.
MLDB is regurgitating baseless myths about Tora Bora.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:49 pmThe Bushies and their cohorts wrote the Bin Laden script. Now does the rightwing echo chamber’s comparison of Bin Laden and Moore make more sense?
Mmmmhmmmm.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:50 pmOk, I read thru many of those. Nothing in there changes my opinion. I am fully aware Matthew’s loved Bush. He was a Bushite. He voted for Bush in 2000. He drank the Jesus Juice.
But since then he has at timed seemed like a man who wanted his money back. And he is pretty balanced in dishing it out. He is hard on the left of course, he’s a righty, but he is also terribly hard on the right on many issues.
And a lot of the things he is picking on the Dems about I agree with. The dems have been pathetic. If it were’nt for men like Daschle and even Kerry, we could have won 2004.
And look at Hillary now.
You may be comfortable applauding such an obvious racially charged carefully planned cheap statement like that, but I am not. She is more than pandering, she is grabbing for air time and making us all look cheap. Meanwhile she tauts the war and panders to the right like Zel Miller in a skirt.
That kind of ranting makes us all look bad.
I think the democrats need to do like Bill did, and cheat on her.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:51 pmUSA Nitwitriot,
I left you a thoughtful response in post #99, with my address and everything so that we could get signed up for duty in Iraq. I feel insulted that you didn’t have the nerve to respond. What’s up with that? Bwwwaaaak!
January 20th, 2006 at 11:52 pmWORFEUS, Matthews is a liberal Democrat. He worked for Tip O’Neill. Your ignorance is once again noted.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:53 pmJay, Are you waiting by the door? We’ll be there soon.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:55 pmAnd of course I condemn comparing democratic talking points to Bin Ladens, sort of.
It depends on the context it is given in.
The right wingers using it to say we are in cohorts or have the same mentality as terrorists are just trolls and pundits trying to turn the fact their ship is sinking back on us.
But to not acknowledge that Bin Laden may be aware of democratic talking points and is trying to divide the country, is just acting like a republican.
Not seeing the forest for the trees.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pm#128 Wally said:
“WORFEUS, Matthews is a liberal Democrat. He worked for Tip O’Neill. Your ignorance is once again noted.”
People change. You should know this Wally, as many times as you have you changed your name here, you have yet to get any smarter. It just goes to show, that Wally can change his name, but he can’t change his mind.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pmHey USA eunuch
Are you sure it’s safe to come out of your duct tapped basement coward, scary terrorist might get ya?
January 20th, 2006 at 11:56 pmM. Duchamp continues to hurl insults rather than attempting to make any sort of argument. Typical.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:58 pmUSA Patriot ; I am fully aware of Matthews former roles, including his time as a speech writer for Democratic President Jimmy Carter.
But in 2000 he voted for Bush. That makes him a Bushite.
Nimrod.
January 20th, 2006 at 11:59 pmWORFEUS,
I used to watch Hardball religiously and I agree that scatterbrain Tweety has given it to both sides and sometimes he’d say things that nobody else was saying that took the GOP to task. I also agree that the Dems are thorouhgly spineless and they deserve much criticism for their lack of courage and complicity on many key issues. Here’s the but….next to Russert, Scheiffer and Stephanopolous (and perhaps even more so) Matthews’ show is the one that serious political junkies tune in to. He has an obligation to report the truth and CANNOT avoid uncomfortable facts or taking the CRIMINALS to task because he knows them, has a relationship with them, or knows that there would be a price to pay for exposing them. No way. He’s covered up for and lied about MAJOR issues and he has too much influence for that type of crap to be tolerated.
No, he’s the worst.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:01 amLook eunuch
We don’t approve of your “lifestyle” here. You start out f**king the Constitution, but it’s only a matter of time till it’s chickenhawk eunuch on elephant sex.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:02 amI can certainly see your points Jay.
But then again I watch the O’reilly factor, so to me, Matthews is tame, LoL.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:04 amFair enough, just MHO.
Peace, and good night all.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:05 amNite Jay, and I agree he was really screwed with that last comment.
Michael Moore is a hero to us all, even those who don’t know it.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:08 amMichael is a hero to all who hate America and enjoy anti-American propaganda films.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:11 amChris and Joe, lets face it like most of us here on this blog you are no longer dispationate journalists, you are advocates for your particular side of this debate. Like Bill O’Reilly you control the microphone and the message.
The whole thing reminds me of living in the barracks. The guy with the biggest, loudest stereo wins. And I have to hand it to you, you guys have a damn powerful amplifier there. But just because you have outshouted everyone does not mean you have made the most convincing argument or changed anyone’s mind.
The most tyrannical of governments are those which make crimes of opinions, for everyone has an inalienable right to his thoughts. -Baruch Spinoza,
January 21st, 2006 at 12:12 amphilosopher (1632-1677)
Patriot thank you thru your link I found a link to the crying blogs from the right about the current comments of Paul Hackett iraqi war veteran who said ” The Republican Party has been hijacked by the religious fanatics, that in my opinion, aren’t a whole lot different than Osama Bin Laden and a lot of the other religious nuts around the world” the repugs in Ohio shrilling for his apology didn’t get it but instead future Sen Hackett said” I saidit. Imeantit. I stand behind it.”… so Moore may or may not sound like Bin Laden but we all know actions speak louder than words. Thanks again USA Parrott er I mean patriot
January 21st, 2006 at 12:15 amOsama sounds like an Dem/Liberal because the CIA fabricates the audio tapes! The real Osama might be dead, or stuck in a cave in Pakistan, so our CIA goons just make the stuff up now to help Dubya! It is very obvious, except to those who love Bush and are brain-dead > lol.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 amA little bit of a detour here (but not too much out of the way)…
Since we are discussing comments that have been made by specific individuals, I would like all the rightwingers here to ponder the following quotes. I think you will see that these words support what the Democrats have been saying all along in speaking of G. Bush.
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. The People are the only sure reliance for the preservation of liberty.” — Thomas Jefferson
“Loyalty is the realization that America was born of revolt, flourished in dissent, became great through experimentation. Our tradition is one of protest and revolt, and it is stultifying to celebrate the rebels of the past while we silence the rebels of the
present.†— Henry Steele, Historian
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official.” — President Theodore Roosevelt
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
– President Theodore Roosevelt
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.†— Thomas Paine
So, wally, er, I mean, USA Unpatriot (LOL), and you too, Gary Ruppert. Wadda ya say? Are ol’ Tom and Teddy fools?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:16 amMichael is a hero to all who hate America and enjoy anti-American propaganda films.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:11 am
LOL, you mean like watching pro-American propaganda films? LOL.
Like 24? LOL.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:17 amWhat happens this week on 24?
I know, Jack Bauer must torture a room full of democrats children so he can by 5 more minutes before a terrorist blows up the world, LOL…:D
January 21st, 2006 at 12:19 amI’ve never seen 24.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 amOr maybe he has to shoot the new leader of CSU in the head so he can get a new peice of information to avert an attack LOL.
Are we learning yet people?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 am#143
January 21st, 2006 at 12:20 amNot too much comment about the
Oh you have’nt?
What do you live in Siberia?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:21 amClif, So it’s OK for Hackett to make a comparison to OBL, but it’s not OK for Matthews to make such a comparison. At least your not hung up on cinsistency. LOL
January 21st, 2006 at 12:21 amNo like I said goals not just words
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amI think what he’s saying is you were complaining about us complaining, so he showed you some of you guys complainging…:|
Does that help?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amcause now I’m confused.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:25 amWORFEUS, most people haven’t seen it. A top rated TV show gets less than 30 million viewers, or less than 10% of the population.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:27 amMichael Moore is a truth teller.
Bin Laden though he is a murderer and has a great hatred for the West has never lied to my knowledge in one of his speeches. He’s never had the need to lie. He stated his objectives plainly. He even stated Bush’s objectives. He wanted American boots off of what he considers a holy land, Saudi Arabia. George Bush, while lying to the American people saying ,”They hate our freedom” quietly removed those boots from the ground. So much for not negotiating with terrorists. I’m do not agree at all with Bin Laden’s methods. I lost one good friend and one family member on “911″.
He dosen’t need to lie. He’s not running for election. BUSH is and has lied, AS POLICY, and used 911 for his own purpose. BUSH continues to lie and expand his powers.
There is a common factor between Bin Laden and Moore. They are not liars. What would either have to lie about? Bush gives them both all they need.
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE BIN LADEN HAS LIED in this latest speech?
January 21st, 2006 at 12:27 amThankfully, Hackett lost. Thankfully, Democrats lose more often than they win.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:28 amWorfeus the site he linked had cherry picked statements o0f Moores linked to statements of Osamas which means each are taken out of context and as any lawyer knows statements out of context canm be twisted to fit different meanings but the underlying goals which are the context are much harded to twist or spin like Mattews et al are doing
January 21st, 2006 at 12:28 amWell it is quite possible that Bin Laden is dead, and the videos we are now looking at were prepared a long time ago to make it look like he is alive.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:29 amMoore lies consistently. President Bush doesn’t lie.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:30 amHacket hasn’t lost NEXT novembers election unless you are getting memos from Diebold the rest of us don’t know about
January 21st, 2006 at 12:30 amClif, stop lying. Matthews didn’t say anything about goals.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:31 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:32 amI didn’t say he did I said goals give context to words and mattews et all are leaving that out
January 21st, 2006 at 12:32 amI understand Clif.
I see something in Matthews though. I see the same thing in Scarborough. I don’t see it in O’reilly though, and I defenitely don’t see it in Hannity or Rush Limpballs.
Enemy of my enemy and all that.
Who knows, I could be wrong.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amAh the swiftboating has begun
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amBut if they keep bringing that lot lizard Rita Cosby, I will stop watching.
You can bet on that one.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:33 amHackett, like Tim McVeigh, served in Iraq.
Comment by USA Patriot — January 21, 2006 @ 12:32 am
Thats a beaut Patriot.
Why don’t you go post that one in a grieving war families blog?
That should go over real well.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:35 amPatriot Oh buy the way Mcvey served in Desert Storm which I served in, Hackertt in the current war so the connection is lost,, but maybe you canswiftboat me with McVey
January 21st, 2006 at 12:35 amOr I know, go into a USMC blog and post that one.
One for Marines returning from Iraq.
I am sure they will be glad the right has a guy like you on their side.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:36 amMatthews said the words were similar, he did not say or imply anything about common goals.
January 21st, 2006 at 12:36 am