FACT: Members of Both Parties Believe Bush Broke the Law
FACT: Members of Both Parties Believe Bush Broke the Law
The White House is desperate to make the controversy about Bush’s warrantless domestic wiretapping a partisan issue. Press Secretary Scott McClellan issued this statement last night:
The NSA’s terrorist surveillance program is targeted at al Qaeda communications coming into or going out of the United States…Senate Democrats continue to engage in misleading and outlandish charges about this vital tool…It defies common sense for Democrats to now claim the administration is acting outside its authority…
But it’s not a partisan issue. Some of the harshest criticism have come not from Senate Democrats but Senate Republicans:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): “The FISA Act was–created a court set up by the chief justice of the United States to allow a rapid response to requests for surveillance activity in the war on terror. I don’t know of any legal basis to go around that.”
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA): “”There is no doubt that this is inappropriate.”
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): “WALLACE: But you do not believe that currently he has the legal authority to engage in these warrant-less wiretaps. MCCAIN: You know, I don’t think so…”
Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS): “I am troubled by what the basis for the grounds that the administration says that they did these on, the legal basis…”
McClellan wants to the media to portray this as just another partisan squabble. Will they take the bait or report the facts?
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Sam Brownback = Michael Moore. Haha.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:25 amScotty needs a pair of toe-shoes - he’s doing a great job of dancing around the issue - warrantless taps are against the law - and even Herr Bush said that all taps require a warrant - before he decided that they didn’t…. er… Perhaps we all need to send the admistration a complementary pair of flip-flops. :)
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 amThe Democrats ain’t gonna talk their way out of this one. The Democrats on the intelligence commitee supported the NSA spying program. There is simply no other way to look at it.
Stop the unchecked police power:
http://petition.savethecourt.org/ fwd/ campaigns/ savethecourt/ register/ fc3c4e7fd9e7c7702f2d1c855b206fc5
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:28 amBombs are the answer….need more bombs. Sorry, had get that out of my system……
But seriously….is this not impeachable?
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:31 amThat’s not true. Rockefeller, for example, wrote a personal letter to Cheney specifically stating he couldn’t support the program.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:33 amOn CNN today Miles O’Brien told Dan Bartlett that Americans felt the spying program is “UnAmerican”.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:33 am“UnAmerican” is a powerful word that accurately describes this government. It sticks on these guys from top to bottom.
The inbreds have so much kool aid in them it really doesn’t matter what Bushiva or L’il Dick do…
Listening to call in shows one gets the distinct feeling that barring attacks on their person Bushites support the illegal wiretapping…
Like I’ve often opined, Bushiva and L’il Dick could rape their children and kill their spouses and Bushites would STILL sing “Hail to the Chief”…
…this makes them traitors to the country, and unworthy of freedom and democracy…and certainly NOT the kind of people who should be claiming they’re “spreading” the two around the world…at gunpoint!
Kill it (politically) before it grows…
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:35 am#4 - Dr. - I would think it’s impeachable - but I’m not a legal expert. However, there are plenty of more learned individuals who do see it as such. The difficulty is to convince members of congress that this is a serious issue. I don’t know why the majority (R) in congress want to concede almost unlimited powers to the president for his various “wars”.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:37 amI know about the “letter”. And the next line of defense for the Bush folks is to say, accurately and paradoxically, that based on the Democratic reaction there wasn’t any real resistance to the program. “They were for it before they were against it” is already the Republican talking point and it’s going to work because the Democrats did not blow the whistle when they should have.
The “letter” campaign was the Democrats wanting to have their cake and eat it too. I don’t buy it. Rationale people won’t either.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:39 amWill they take the bait? Duh…this is the mainstream media we are talking about, of course they are going to take it. Maybe a few will question why they are blindly supporting America haters like the president and vice president, but most will gleefully run off with the last White House sound bite and preach it like gospel. Repent!
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:49 am#9 Wrong, because to say the democrats were for the program, they would have to have known that the program even existed, the program went around the FISA courts so knowing about the courts is not the same as knowing about the program that ignored the FISA courts, since the program was about gathering signal intercepts inside the country, there can be no claim of the program being covert, so the law required a full notification of the congress not a “gang of four” or a “gang of eight”. Follow the line of reasoning and the democrats and many republicans can say rightfully so that they did not have any knowledge of the unwarrented spying program in violation of law.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:51 amThis portrayal of the situation as one which intercepts communications going in and out of the country is BS.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:51 amIf BushCo could carry out such a program for so long and so secretly, who on earth believes they are not intercepting communications from thier political enemies?
How naive. I have yet to hear this in any media, yet it seems so obvious.
Who thinks McClellan has a shred of credibility left anyway?
Show of hands. Anyone? Anyone? Hello? (tap, tap) Is this thing on?
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:53 am#9 - Gus: That is part of the problem - in the talking points, at least - that is, the Democrats “knew” all about this program and didn’t say anything then, so why are they complaining now? There is, of course, dispute on how much Congress (on either side) really knew or could say about this program. (Remember, it was classified)
I do hope that when rational people (not those who watch FNS) actually understand what the program does/did - and the FISA connection, that they’ll realize that while there are legitimate reasons to wiretap - there’s also a need for checks and balances - even if we’re involved in this supposed “war on terror” (I only say supposed because there have always been “terrorists” and probably always will be - so to suddenly call it a “war” is a stretch).
The solution to the “terrorist” issue is to figure out why such people want to cause harm to innocent people and address that. The solution isn’t more violence to counter the current violence. But, I’ve gone OT.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:01 amThe WH is going to come out swinging against the Democrats, turning this “liability” into an “asset” and hammering them on national security (i.e., “nothing’s happened in the 4 years since 9/11 because …) The Dems must attack back with Katrina. Katrina is the one attack that will resonate with the American public. They can say “if we have another terrorist attack, all the warrantless wiretapping isn’t going to protect us - LOOK WHAT HAPPENED AFTER KATRINA!” And just keep saying it, over and over. We are no safer now than we were before 9/11, and the voters need to be reminded of this constantly. Is that so hard to do? I don’t understand the reluctance in staging a full-fledged attack on the wiretapping and using whatever they have. If the Repugs cry “wasn’t our fault” or use the state and local government excuse, so be it.
I’m terrified that if we have another terrorist attack Bush will declare marshal law (there are already Pentagon plans for it). Michael Brown has already set it up by saying that “he should have requested federal troops sooner” after Katrina - this is all a game. If marshal law is declared, Bush will get his wish and be the dictator that he has wanted to be for 5 years. They have to be stopped before this happens.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:04 am#14 MrTimPA Your solution is only partially accurate, given the present situation the solution certinately would include what you said but it must also include hunting down individuals like Bin Laden or groups Like Al Quaeda, because once they are involved in the acts of violence their reasons are not relivant, but to the much larger group who would support but not engage in those actions your suggestion has merit. Not to suggest both similtanious actions gives bush’s brain his yalking points
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:11 am#16: Clif - I agree that there’s a need to track down the current criminals. My point in the broader sense (as you seem to agree with) is to understand the “why” these people want to engage in terroristic activities. You’ll never get rid of the random acts of violence - but if there are foreign policy issues which are causing increased resentment, perhaps that needs to be addressed in a political/social manner. (And, that’s not just the US - but other “western” countries as well…)
But - I say again - I agree completely that current criminals need to be punished to the fullest extent.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:22 amHere is a web site i get emailed updates of this nature from this dude. He is awesome and on IMHO our side. You can get on the email list for briefings some are pretty dry but always one or 2 keep. Enjoy http://www.fas.org/sgp/index.html
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:24 amI’m betting all my savings that that capitalist corporate media will present it as a partisan issue.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:27 amI just want to know what Osama quotes they’ll use on Specter, Grahan, McCain, Brownback to bring them back in line?
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:31 amHere is a link to a great discussion on John Ashcroft’s time line in this mess. Enjoy:
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:31 amhttp://yglesias.typepad.com/ matthew/ 2006/ 01/ hate_to_say_i_t.html
#14 - Well some Democrats may have known about it, but they were NOT ALLOWED to discuss this with ANYONE even their own part. Since they were not allowed to discuss this, how can they say anything to anyone about it? The Administration would not even allow them to discuss their concerns and basically told them to get lost.
In this situation, it is a little trickey. If they tell someone, they stand the possibility of going to jail. You don’t think that Bush would hesitate for a minute to throw a Democrat in jail for leaking this information do you? Bush has EVERYONE on the hill scared, and this is how he has gotten so far.
Does anyone remember the Anthrax? Do you remember who those were addressed to? That’s right! Democrats who voiced opposition to the Administration.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:34 am#19, I beg to differ . Miles O’Brien on Cnn this morning nawed onDan Bartlett this morning to my satisfaction. I’m sure media matters will have something later. Sorry i don’t have the link. He basically called him on his logic, or lack there of regarding the notion of why did they go to the courts if the thought what they were doing was legal. If hear that totaly disingenous phrase “The top members of the Intell commitiees and the top ranking members were consulted” one more time I’m going to puke. They were not consulted the were TOLD what was going on and from my understanding they couldn’t do a damn thing about , not talk to any one about it, and not question anything. I hate this Administration the way they use facts you can’t argue with, because they won’t tell you where we can find them on our own or verify independantly. Karl Rove is truely Darth Sideous.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:41 am#22- RemoveBush - I agree totally - and that’s the problem - the Repubs “talking point” is that the Democrats knew but didn’t say anything - yet, if they did, they’d be in a “world of sh*t” (to take a line from a movie).
Of course, that doesn’t stop the Repugs from now using that “talking point” anyway - and unfortunately it has been somewhat successful. Thankfully, my sister and brother-in-law (hardcore repubs) are seeing the light and seriously dislike Bush and his cronies. (so there’s some hope)
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amMore goodies today children. here is a quote page from Sissela Bok. Enjoy beyond.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:46 amhttp://www.creativequotations.com/one/1337.htm
She also has a book out called Secrets. Google her name .
All my comments are based on interviews yesterday. When Hoekstra alleged the Democrats on the intelligence commitee were fully briefed, Jane Harmon did not deny it. She even went so far as to say in unexact terms that a retrofit of the FISA laws could clean this up, no harm done. Something is not lining up properly for the Democrats.
I don’t but the silly-assed “I wrote a note!” defense. It’s bunk.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:47 amThey can and will say anything they choose in order to gain a little public favor, but when push comes to shove, I doubt they will stand against their leader.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:51 amIt takes courage to face the opposition, but when to oppose your own team takes courage that Republican politicians don’t have.
I guess what I’m getting at is that the Dems are not going to paint this as a Republican problem. No way. This does not fall along party lines. Maybe that’s a good thing. But I have had it with the Dems. They went soft on Iraq to save their jobs. They went soft on spying to save their jobs. They can go to hell with the rest of them. I am now totally and officially “Independent”. And I don’t care if it puts the damn Republicans in control for the rest of eternity(or the end of the USA-whichever comes first).
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:51 amMr. Tim Pa, the best way to lure the GOP voters to sanity for their blind faith of the current administration is to mention the words; Smaller Government, State’s rights, and Pro Choice, Rudy Gulliiani. Usually works for me. Then try “Would either of you vote for Dick Cheney over Hilliary Clinton?”
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 amGus you can’t have your cake and eat it to, you acuse the democrats on the intellegance committee of supporting the illegal NSA spying program, but you only show Jane Harmon knew about it. the fact that she didn’t deny a n allegation by Hoekstra does not make ti true, you can’t paint all the democrats with the actions or statements of one member.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 amThere’s a good reason the Dems didn’t wheel out Rockefeller yesterday instead of Harman. There are no rigorous assertions here,again, by the Dems. Soft mutterings and Kerry on the campaign trail again…
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:05 amAlso, it has been reported and several members of the committee has stated that only the “Gang of 4″ were notified. NOT THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE, which in its self is against the law (Once again).
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 amGus your missing the point, one individual does not speak for the democratic party so to smear all of them because of the actions of an individual is slipping into the wingnut way of doing debate.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:12 am“But it’s not a partisan issue. Some of the harshest criticism have come not from Senate Democrats but Senate Republicans:”
The harshest criticism is without question coming from the Democrats and a few feeble complaints from the RHINO’s doesn’t change that. The issue is partisan and the Donks are pushing a lot of chips to the center of the table betting that Americans want our government to be nicer to Arabs.
The fact is we don’t care that the government is spying on those who may have sympathy for our Islamofascist enemies. In fact we want them to just as we wanted FDR to round up all the Japanese Americans in this country during WWII and herd them all into internment camps. Hummm…internment camps for Muslims? How ’bout one big camp Gitmo out in deep West Texas….lots of sand, it’s hot…just like home.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:18 amIRI, mud does not hide the truth very well, nor does calling names
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:25 amCliff you nailed it earlier, and it is the true double edged sword for the Democrats. There is not a SOLO voice that speaks for the Democrats.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 am#35 - I agree. When the “maharajah hemorrhoids” are in charge of the bat, ball and playing field, you cannot look at both parties and claim they are both responsible to the same degree.
The Dem’s do carry some of the responsibility for allowing Pres. Bush to blatantly break the law in his wire-tapping of Americans without even trying to get a warrant as defined by law. They do not, however, have the same amount of responsibility. The Rep’s (maharajah hemorrhoids) are in control of the committee and drive the agenda. Since they have squelched all attempts at trying to force Pres. Bush and his administration from accepting responsibility for their actions, the “maharajah hemorrhoids†should accept their own responsibility and admit they are the responsible party.
Since they have proven themselves unable to do this much, they deserve disdain and the American public shouldn’t re-elect them to continue their dodging and weaving on this.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:33 amIRI, your racism makes your posts meaningless. You have so alienated yourself from most of the posters here that you really have been marginalized to the fringes.
“WE” don’t want internment camps; that is just foolish. Bush is doing exactly what Nixon did and for the exact same reasons. The difference is that Bush can hide behind 911 as his excuse for imperial powers.
Who honestly believes that this admin is spying only on known Al Queda contacts? Bush says that terrorists hate our freedoms, yet so does he. He is doing exactly what the terrorists are doing, only with subterfuge. They make communism look quaint.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 am#36 - I agree, the Democrats are the party of inclusion: you don’t have to agree 100% with all Democrats in order to be a member.
The Republicans, on the other hand, are the party of exclusion: if you don’t say “ditto†and repeat everything we tell you to say, then get the h*!! out of our Party! We were bought and paid for by the richest of the rich, and that’s who we support over anyone and everyone!
It makes the Democrats seem disorganized, but at least they accept that everyone has a right and obligation to stand up for what they believe in. The Republicans are the party of “You are now one of us, so you MUST do what we tell you to do!†If you have any independent thought, it’s obviously not acceptable to the Republicans.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 amThe Republicans are the party of inclusion, the Democrats are the party of exclusion. Just look at all the hate-filled bile directed at the Republicans on this very site.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 am#34 Good morning wittle buddy. Here’s your cracker, big guy. (oh and by the way…a RHINO is an animal…I think you were going for RINO…or maybe I don’t know what the ‘H’ stands for)
Silly Judd…you mentioned facts.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 am#40 unless your a RINO right
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 amWhy does Mclellan always take one side…
Isnt that kinda bakwards for a WhiteHouse Spokesman.
Shouldnt he be adressing America?
USA 295,734,134 July 2005 est. populi
Bush 62,040,606
KERRY 59,028,109 =121,068,715
121 mill votes
295 mill populi
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174 million didnt or couldnt (work, illness, wont vote for crooks, Indpendents, etc, no voters,swings) the ‘Majority’
Whom is Mclelllan Talking to? The Bush 20%? Or America? The echo chamber?
________________________
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:48 amWake up Scotty Bushco the Majority is getting PO’ed.
enuff with the spin already,sheesh
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:49 amMy concern is that Graham, Brownback, and Specter claim King George the Dumb broke the law yet all three of them support Alito as court jester. It is typically Repug hypocrisy to bad mouth KGtD on the one hand and support the fraud that would exonerate him after he is convicted for his illegal acts. The only reason Roberts and Alito were nominated was for an insurance policy when KGtD’s criminal convictions get to the SCOTUS.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 am#40 - No sale.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:16 amIRI, your racism makes your posts meaningless. You have so alienated yourself from most of the posters here that you really have been marginalized to the fringes.
Comment by progressive and proud
Regardless of your opinion of my convictions regarding race hustlers, homosexual deviants, abortion, treason and all the other little issues where we are polar opposites and your view of how they marginalize me, I am still impossible to ignore as shining the light on cockroaches like you always makes them scurry here and there. I look forward to stepping on you again when the opportunity presents itself.
“WE†don’t want internment camps; that is just foolish. Bush is doing exactly what Nixon did and for the exact same reasons. The difference is that Bush can hide behind 911 as his excuse for imperial powers.
Don’t be a boob. Everybody spies on everybody. What do you think Hillary was doing with those IRS records? And what’s this “WE” stuff? Got a mouse in your pocket? If we get hit again like we got hit on 9-11 all your bullshit “Bush Did It” won’t help the Muslims in this country. They’ll be happy to go to internment camps. I wonder how the real Muslims will get along with Louis Farrakhan and his dopey Black Muslim cult? I’ll bet there will be some head chopping inside the camps. HA!
Who honestly believes that this admin is spying only on known Al Queda contacts? Bush says that terrorists hate our freedoms, yet so does he. He is doing exactly what the terrorists are doing, only with subterfuge. They make communism look quaint.
Only an ignorant and hateful ratbastardcommiefucktard could say the Bush makes communists look quaint and compare him to the head chopping Moon Cult. Talk about marginalizing ones self. You numbnuts aren’t going to be able to elect a dog catcher nest time around. Thanks in advance for the Republican super majority in the House and Senate.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:38 am#36 - I agree, the Democrats are the party of inclusion: you don’t have to agree 100% with all Democrats in order to be a member.
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Yep, every freak of nature and deviant is welcomed under the Donk tent and that’s quite a few. The trouble is you’re not leaving any room for normal people who still remember what a liberal Democratic Party is supposed to look like. Thanks for destroying our two party system.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amJudd,
The following words of wisdom by I-Right-I quoted from comment number 47 above seem to add very little in the way of redeeming social values and contribute even less to a meaningful dialog concerning the issue. I would submit that Mr. I-Right-I be requested to follow the Terms of Use agreement or post his hateful and obscene diatribes elsewhere.
“…cockroaches like you…”
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pm“Don’t be a boob.”
“…all your bullshit…”
“…dopey Black Muslim cult…”
“…an ignorant and hateful ratbastardcommiefucktard…”
“…head chopping Moon Cult…”
“You numbnuts…”
“I look forward to stepping on you again” -IRI
Who are you kidding? You’re the biggest cockroach of all. You’ve been kicked out of conservative websites, only to come scurrying over here to race-bait, take potshots and general misrepresent yourself as a level-headed conservative. One minute you’re in the military, the next minute you’re not. Claiming you’re going to kick someone’s ass, but crawling back under your rock when someone steps up.
But, if yapping away makes you “feel like a Man” and helps suppress the desire to be held by one, go for it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:13 pmIRI, what makes you so angry? Republicans seem so darn pissed off all of the time, i.e. Rush and Bill. That is usually a sign of deep inner turmoil. I was taught as a child (good parents) to express my anger in artistic ways. I played instruments and participated in lots of sports, painted. Also, I was pushed to talk about what was making me angry and, as soon as I understood WHY I was mad, I could get a handle on it and could attack my own anger instead of letting everybody else see it.
When one wears their emotion on their sleeve it is a sign of weakness. Remember that IRI, before you share your low self esteem with us. The more you shout, the more easily we see your weaknesses and inner difficulties. And, if you will say that you don’t care, why are you here sharing with us at all?
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 pm“Hummm…internment camps for Muslims? How ’bout one big camp Gitmo out in deep West Texas….lots of sand, it’s hot…just like home. ”
You said it boy! Got your pillow case, Mr I-R-I? Yee-hah, then let’s ride!
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmIRI, what makes you so angry? Republicans seem so darn pissed off all of the time, i.e. Rush and Bill. That is usually a sign of deep inner turmoil.
Comment by progressive and proud #51
progressive,
…please refer to post #53…
They fear their perpetual state of impotence and lack of knowledge in the ways of pleasure renders them powerless to prevent the “Dark Hordes” from despoiling their pure,and virtuous white goddesses…
hahahahahaha!!!!!
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pmWhat laws CAN’T President Bush break in the name of national security, then? Can he ban peaceful dissent and protest in public? Invalidate Court rulings by fiat? Shut down “opposition” newspapers, in the event that a meaningful one actually existed? Can he send a hit squad to my house, or disappear me to a secret prison if he thinks I’m aiding terrorists by not agreeing with him?
By extension, does every executive-branch officer or employee then have these powers, based on his say-so?
And if I’m “with him or against him,” and obviously not with him, as you my dear reader and friend can plainly see, should I be packing my toothbrush for Guantanamo, or worse?
What shall we wake to tomorrow, America? Marshall law? Mandatory shopping? Nuking Iran?
If we managed to preserve civil liberties in the face of ideological battle with the U.S.S.R. - a formidable enemy, to be sure - with the possibility of all-out nuclear war looming over our heads(remember when we had leaders who could actually correctly pronounce this word?), then why does the paranoid party think we can’t do so now?
No, this isn’t about national safety and security. This is sheer opportunism and a grab for power by a party historically known for such power-lust, sprinkled with salt for the wounds of Liberals by that beacon of integrity, Karl Rove.
It is small consolation that history will not look kindly on this administration.
If wartime powers include the right to supercede any and all laws, then we’d better make damn sure the person doing the superceding is of high moral character, has never been arrested, censured by the S.E.C., dumped stock based on insider information, evaded military service, relied on nepotism and insider connections to prop up a fundamentally incompetent track record in business, used his powers as governor and president to line his pockets, driven drunk, sniffed cocaine… um…
Uh oh.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmIRI .. only the idiot southern repubs are still swallowing… the northern christian republicans I know think the racists are getting too much power in this country again and they are getting scared of their own party. Like I have said before I grew up in Indiana churches and so I know people that are republicans. They think Bushco is the worst republican president ever. They still oppose abortion and such, but they dont believe in illegal wars of racism. They are proud of kicking the shit out of the south in the civil war and civil rights era. They dont agree with eveything liberals say but they do agree that all the racist/neocons do NOT represent them… The only thing that will get the republicans back in power this year is if a REAL republican (nonNeoCon) runs for office. Lugar maybe. But if they get more Bushco ..they just wont vote… they wont vote democrat that is for sure… but they just wont vote.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:51 pmOf course he broke the law. He keeps yappin about “we’re at war - war on terror”. WTF is “war on terror”? Without a clear definition it is nothing more than bullcrap. Bush uses his “war” as any excuse to do whatever he wants. I read that Bush brings his friends to the White House and they are impressed and his friends say (quote from Bush) “What are you (sic Bush) doing here?” I say the same thing. Bush is a traitor to this nation and he will get us all killed. He’s worried about Iran and nuclear weapons. The truth is, Iran has the ability to strike any one of our bases in the Middle East RIGHT NOW. So let’s how that Isreal keeps their missles to themselve otherwise Iran will retaliate and our troops are stuck in Iraq, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmIf Bush can trash the Constitution, then so can the next president and the next president etc… . This will be the END of American Democracy. Well, all kingdoms come to an end and I guess, so do democracies if not guarded.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmSaw Lanny Davis, that apologist for our former President, Mr. Bill, criticizing Dems for their “impeachment rumblings” - I guess collaborators are the ones who really do have their panties in a twist or their shorts in a knot.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmThe more you shout, the more easily we see your weaknesses and inner difficulties.
Comment by progressive and proud
I never shout PP. If it seems like it to you then it could be it’s just my words grating on your conscience, what’s left of it that is.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 pmIRI .. only the idiot southern repubs are still swallowing… the northern christian republicans I know think the racists are getting too much power in this country again and they are getting scared of their own party.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
I can not possibly imagine what racists your people are talking about unless your people are black and then of course every white is a racist.
Like I have said before I grew up in Indiana churches and so I know people that are republicans. They think Bushco is the worst republican president ever. They still oppose abortion and such, but they dont believe in illegal wars of racism.
What is an illegal war of racism? Would that be anyone who opposes race based entitlements and so-called reverse discrimination? Really, I have no clue about what you’re talking about and I have to wonder if you do either.
They are proud of kicking the shit out of the south in the civil war and civil rights era. They dont agree with eveything liberals say but they do agree that all the racist/neocons do NOT represent them…
It sounds to me you run with a real bunch of losers. I don’t think you know any Republicans.
The only thing that will get the republicans back in power this year is if a REAL republican (nonNeoCon) runs for office. Lugar maybe. But if they get more Bushco ..they just wont vote… they wont vote democrat that is for sure… but they just wont vote.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. A republican even if he doesn’t like the candidate will vote even if he’s just voting AGAINST the Democrat. Democrats do the same thing. How old are you, ten?
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmIf Bush can trash the Constitution, then so can the next president and the next president etc… . This will be the END of American Democracy. Well, all kingdoms come to an end and I guess, so do democracies if not guarded.
Comment by cats are flyfishn
I doubt you know enough about the constitution or this issue to make the case that Bush is “trashing” anything let alone the Constitution. Oh, and this country should not be referred to as a democracy, it is a republic. The difference is that you (the mob) don’t make the rules or determine who is or who is not “trashing” the Constitution. That’s the job of your elected representatives and the courts. So far there aren’t enough of them who think you are right. Keep those cards and letters coming in.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmJudd,
The following words of wisdom by I-Right-I quoted from comment number 47 above seem to add very little in the way of redeeming social values and contribute even less to a meaningful dialog concerning the issue. I would submit that Mr. I-Right-I be requested to follow the Terms of Use agreement or post his hateful and obscene diatribes elsewhere.
“…cockroaches like you…â€
“Don’t be a boob.â€
“…all your bullshit…â€
“…dopey Black Muslim cult…â€
“…an ignorant and hateful ratbastardcommiefucktard…â€
“…head chopping Moon Cult…â€
“You numbnuts…â€
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Hey…Clyde…..FYI…..nobody likes a snitch.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 pmShakespeare summed it up best:
“Oh what a whicked web we weave when we practice to decieve”.
The problem wherein lies, its the American public that is getting snagged and caught up in his lies.
Its a sad, sad tine for Ameriican history.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:53 pmHey, you all !
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmIf we all petition Judd to ban IRI from the site, maybe he would do it. IRI has always been worse than anyone on this site, and today is simply an example of the usual from him.
Hey, you all !
If we all petition Judd to ban IRI from the site, maybe he would do it.
Comment by Marie
Not likely, he’s dating my little sister and desperately needs to stay in my good graces.
IRI has always been worse than anyone on this site, and today is simply an example of the usual from him.
Oh my. I knew I was good but I had no idea….I’m….I’m…..so happy.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmMarie, I think if everybody just ignores IRI like he’s not even here he may get frustrated and go elsewhere. And, if not, we’ll at least spare ourselves because arguing with him is absolutely useless. Half the things he says are baits and the other half are insanity. Let’s just make a pledge to completely ignore him, as if he doesn’t even exist and see what happens.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pm#63
IRI, you have this blog confused with the last time you did time. You put the stuff up there, I didn’t. And I believe I have one supporter which I would guess is one more than you have.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmwere getting there slowly 118 towards the 200 needed to Impeach blair read here , it was 114 last week http://edmi.parliament.uk/ EDMi/ EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
or http://www.impeachblair.org/article26.shtml and press Ealry Day Motion
the days coming.. mass murderers deserve this (Bush Blair)
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmJanuary 23, 2006
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Who’s the Biggest Terrorist Of All?
By Jeremy Pikser in Yahoo News
On Friday night I had the pleasure of seeing a truly great and courageous American, Harry Belafonte, make opening remarks at The Commission on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration held at Riverside Church in New York.
Belafonte, who several years ago got mainstream punditry all upset by calling Colin Powell a house slave, has shaken things up again by calling George W. Bush “the world’s greatest terrorist.”
It didn’t take long for the right wing “patriotic” yahoos to call for his scalp. How dare he?! It’s outrageous! It’s treasonous! But has anyone stopped to ask… is it true?
The reasonably conservative estimate of civilian deaths caused by Bush’s unprovoked attack on the sovereign state of Iraq (defined by the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal to be the highest of all war crimes) is 100,000. On a straight mathematical basis, that would be equal to one Twin Tower attack every month for close to three years. Think about that. Think about how we would feel if such a thing were to come to pass on American soil. Then try to think how Iraqis in particular, and Arabs in general must feel about what has been unleashed by George Bush.
If the other leading contender for the title is Osama Bin Laden, I would say Bush wins the title of “the greatest” hands down.
But don’t take my word for it, and don’t go the crude measure of simple body count mathematics. Don’t take Harry’s word for it, either. Instead, check the testimony given to the Commission by former Marine and UN arms inspector Scott Ritter, Former US diplomat to Afghanistan Ann White, former UK Ambassador to Kazakhstan, Craig Murray, and Brig. Gen Janis Karpinskiy former commander at Abu Graib as well as other highly qualified and knowledgeable experts which make a compelling legal case that the Bush regime is not only wrong, but criminal, in it’s policies in regard to Iraq, torture, the environment, and world health policy.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmIRI, you have this blog confused with the last time you did time. You put the stuff up there, I didn’t. And I believe I have one supporter which I would guess is one more than you have.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
I don’t know what you’re talking about. All I know is there are some people around here that like to censor. Some of them actually think I’ve committed a crime and should be reported to the police for speaking my mind. (I think they are EuroLosers who actually do have to watch what they say or face time in jail. That’s the kind of America Progressives are trying to make.)
Yes, I put it up there, so what? That doesn’t excuse you for being a weenie snitch.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmMarie, I think if everybody just ignores IRI like he’s not even here he may get frustrated and go elsewhere. And, if not, we’ll at least spare ourselves because arguing with him is absolutely useless. Half the things he says are baits and the other half are insanity. Let’s just make a pledge to completely ignore him, as if he doesn’t even exist and see what happens.
Comment by CarolSoprano
It won’t hurt my feelings if you girls decide not to talk to me, I’m used to that. But I know you can’t ignore me and it’s just a matter of time before you won’t be able to stand not talking. Women have to talk and I am a good listener. It’s not my fault that every time you do say something I’m compelled to ridicule you for your leftist fuckwit nonsense.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:10 pmIRI, you have this blog confused with the last time you did time.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Some of them actually think I’ve committed a crime and should be reported to the police for speaking my mind.
Yes, I put it up there, so what? That doesn’t excuse you for being a weenie snitch.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #70
Dammit Clyde,
Do the right thing…
Don’t let “it” intimidate you…
If you don’t turn “it” in I will…
Pigfu*king is a crime, and judging from your conversation
I’nsipid-pigR’aping-I’ngrate is obviously a two-time
loser…hahahahahaha
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Seriously though,
This is proof positive of how simple-minded the IRIs are…
This bastich is whining and complaining about being monitored and “snitched out” on this harmless forum…
But he supports the illegal surveillance and wiretapping of American citizens and trashing the constitutional principles upon which this nation was founded, in a much more serious scenario…real life…
What a country…what hypocricy…what inbreds…
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:23 pmThanks for doing what you do Think Progress. I put some pictures with these quotes today at Scrutiny Hooligans. Check ‘em out?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:24 pm#65 You aren’t happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:16 am#65 You aren’t happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy.
Comment by progressive and proud
I are two happy. I’m tickled to death to be here with you and the other fine products of liberal public education in America. Nope, don’t need therapy, the Prozac and the bourbon seem to be working just fine but, thanks for asking.
January 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amProzac and bourbon, Ah now it’s ranting makes sence, but will someone tell his mommy he’s raiding her medicine and his dads booze again, ps with a son like it we can understand mommys need for prozac.
January 25th, 2006 at 4:08 amIRI- Your not happy. You should listen to the right. Find out what is making our enimies angry, do whatever it takes to make them happy. bake them cookies, sing koombaya to them maybe turn radic… ah heck- thats not going to work is it? Lets just listen in on their converstions so we can find out what kind of evil things they want to do to us and we can stick our boot you know where.
January 27th, 2006 at 2:50 amI;m groggy -ment the left typed the right- or was it the up or maybe down???
January 27th, 2006 at 3:07 am[…] First, Karl Rove wants the American public to believe only one political party disagrees with Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program. But Hagel added his name to the bipartisan list of senators who question Bush’s authority to conduct the program: HAGEL: I don’t believe, from what I’ve heard, but I’m going to give the administration an opportunity to explain it, that he has the authority now to do what he’s doing. Now, maybe he can convince me otherwise, but that’s OK. […]
January 29th, 2006 at 10:47 am[…] Karl Rove would like to use this issue as a political cudgel to go after Democrats. Right wing pundit after right wing pundit has tried to paint disapproval of the NSA program as coming solely from the left. In reality, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) have all expressed their doubts about the illegality of the program. […]
January 31st, 2006 at 3:54 pm[…] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ […]
February 1st, 2006 at 2:58 pm[…] Specter is one of many conservative Senators who have been very critical of the program. Hearings on the program, chaired by Specter, start Monday. […]
February 5th, 2006 at 12:33 pmThe administration’s use of the FSA wiretapping without going to the FISA court is
February 7th, 2006 at 1:46 amillegal and should be discontinued at once. This is a democracy and not a fascist state. The president cannot legally decide to ignore the law whenever he pleases.
VERY INTERESTING PAGE.I BELIEVE WE NEED A REAL INVESTIGATION ON GEORGE W BUSH AND THIS ADMINASTRATION
February 9th, 2006 at 3:18 pmArianna Huffington thinks that we should drop our calls for impeachment and wait until November when the Democrats have a majority. I blogged back that the NSA spying scandal is getting as much heat from Republican Congressmen as it is from Democrats. She is also afraid that if Bush is impeached we are going to be stuck with Cheney.
The reality is that Both Bush and Cheney as well as Rumsfeld and the whole gang are guilty of lying to get us into an aggressive war and they can be impeached also.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:36 pm[…] The reason DeWine and the White House don’t want to talk about the program’s legality is because the program is illegal. DeWine is attempting to fix a problem that he hasn’t even properly diagnosed. Even Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter isn’t buying DeWine’s spin: Unless they’re prepared to have a determination on constitutionality as to their programs, window dressing oversight will not be sufficient. […]
February 17th, 2006 at 9:09 pmIt amazes me how easily the moral majority, which is neither, is so easily duped. They support what they perceive as a savior, when in fact he has all the makings of an anti-Christ. Karl Rove is at the very least, the modern Goehring or Goebels equivalent. His boss was elected, or so they told us, by people who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Thomas Jefferson has rolled over in his grave often and violently during this administrations multiple misguided, and I truly believe evil-motivated, attempts with policies both foreign and domestic Before he is out, the President will have alienated the rest of the free world against us. The comments from those espousing an understanding of why the Muslim world hates us so much are dead on and these animosities should have been the subject of intense research immediately following 911, which was a heinous attack on innocent persons. The only counter attack plan that can work must be extremely well thought out, and not just a knee-jerk reaction from the elitist hawks in power. It is largely too late for that unfortunately.
March 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pmps - The person who endorsed interment camps must not have one shred of understanding or compassion in him.
[…] The problem you still have to deal with is that my Constitution view happens to be supportd by Former President Carter (who signed FISA into law), Grover Norquist, one of the prime leaders of the Conservative movement - has determined that the program is illegal. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Heather Wilson (R), chairman of the House Committe that overseas the NSA has some serious questions about it. […]
April 1st, 2006 at 6:36 pm[…] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ […]
April 1st, 2006 at 7:02 pmThis article asked “McClellan wants to the media to portray this as just another partisan squabble. Will they take the bait or report the facts? ”
the media has portrayed it, if not as a partisan squabble per se (but often as), certainly as an ambiguous issue with two reasoanble sides. In fact, this is a gross mischaracterization of the issue.
April 29th, 2006 at 1:23 pm