Comments on: FACT: Members of Both Parties Believe Bush Broke the Law http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:43:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: carter http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-529020 carter Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:23:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-529020 This article asked "McClellan wants to the media to portray this as just another partisan squabble. Will they take the bait or report the facts? " the media has portrayed it, if not as a partisan squabble per se (but often as), certainly as an ambiguous issue with two reasoanble sides. In fact, this is a <a href="http://www.pressthenews.com/mtpleaks.htm" rel="nofollow">gross mischaracterization</a> of the <a href="http://www.pressthenews.com/more_onwiretap.html" rel="nofollow">issue</a>. This article asked “McClellan wants to the media to portray this as just another partisan squabble. Will they take the bait or report the facts? ”

the media has portrayed it, if not as a partisan squabble per se (but often as), certainly as an ambiguous issue with two reasoanble sides. In fact, this is a gross mischaracterization of the issue.

]]> By: Truth 2 Power Project » Even Wingnuts think Bush broke the law http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-493200 Truth 2 Power Project » Even Wingnuts think Bush broke the law Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:02:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-493200 [...] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ [...] [...] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ [...]

]]> By: Truth 2 Power Project » History of Presidential Wiretapping - Wingbats Ahoy Episode III http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-493172 Truth 2 Power Project » History of Presidential Wiretapping - Wingbats Ahoy Episode III Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:36:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-493172 [...] The problem you still have to deal with is that my Constitution view happens to be supportd by Former President Carter (who signed FISA into law), Grover Norquist, one of the prime leaders of the Conservative movement - has determined that the program is illegal. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Heather Wilson (R), chairman of the House Committe that overseas the NSA has some serious questions about it. [...] [...] The problem you still have to deal with is that my Constitution view happens to be supportd by Former President Carter (who signed FISA into law), Grover Norquist, one of the prime leaders of the Conservative movement – has determined that the program is illegal. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Heather Wilson (R), chairman of the House Committe that overseas the NSA has some serious questions about it. [...]

]]> By: Zman http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-484067 Zman Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:34:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-484067 It amazes me how easily the moral majority, which is neither, is so easily duped. They support what they perceive as a savior, when in fact he has all the makings of an anti-Christ. Karl Rove is at the very least, the modern Goehring or Goebels equivalent. His boss was elected, or so they told us, by people who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Thomas Jefferson has rolled over in his grave often and violently during this administrations multiple misguided, and I truly believe evil-motivated, attempts with policies both foreign and domestic Before he is out, the President will have alienated the rest of the free world against us. The comments from those espousing an understanding of why the Muslim world hates us so much are dead on and these animosities should have been the subject of intense research immediately following 911, which was a heinous attack on innocent persons. The only counter attack plan that can work must be extremely well thought out, and not just a knee-jerk reaction from the elitist hawks in power. It is largely too late for that unfortunately. ps - The person who endorsed interment camps must not have one shred of understanding or compassion in him. It amazes me how easily the moral majority, which is neither, is so easily duped. They support what they perceive as a savior, when in fact he has all the makings of an anti-Christ. Karl Rove is at the very least, the modern Goehring or Goebels equivalent. His boss was elected, or so they told us, by people who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Thomas Jefferson has rolled over in his grave often and violently during this administrations multiple misguided, and I truly believe evil-motivated, attempts with policies both foreign and domestic Before he is out, the President will have alienated the rest of the free world against us. The comments from those espousing an understanding of why the Muslim world hates us so much are dead on and these animosities should have been the subject of intense research immediately following 911, which was a heinous attack on innocent persons. The only counter attack plan that can work must be extremely well thought out, and not just a knee-jerk reaction from the elitist hawks in power. It is largely too late for that unfortunately.
ps – The person who endorsed interment camps must not have one shred of understanding or compassion in him.

]]> By: Think Progress » DeWine: “We Don’t Want To Have Any Kind of Debate About Whether NSA Program Is Constitutional” http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-451174 Think Progress » DeWine: “We Don’t Want To Have Any Kind of Debate About Whether NSA Program Is Constitutional” Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:09:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-451174 [...] The reason DeWine and the White House don’t want to talk about the program’s legality is because the program is illegal. DeWine is attempting to fix a problem that he hasn’t even properly diagnosed. Even Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter isn’t buying DeWine’s spin: Unless they’re prepared to have a determination on constitutionality as to their programs, window dressing oversight will not be sufficient. [...] [...] The reason DeWine and the White House don’t want to talk about the program’s legality is because the program is illegal. DeWine is attempting to fix a problem that he hasn’t even properly diagnosed. Even Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter isn’t buying DeWine’s spin: Unless they’re prepared to have a determination on constitutionality as to their programs, window dressing oversight will not be sufficient. [...]

]]> By: John H.St.John http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-444032 John H.St.John Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:36:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-444032 Arianna Huffington thinks that we should drop our calls for impeachment and wait until November when the Democrats have a majority. I blogged back that the NSA spying scandal is getting as much heat from Republican Congressmen as it is from Democrats. She is also afraid that if Bush is impeached we are going to be stuck with Cheney. The reality is that Both Bush and Cheney as well as Rumsfeld and the whole gang are guilty of lying to get us into an aggressive war and they can be impeached also. Arianna Huffington thinks that we should drop our calls for impeachment and wait until November when the Democrats have a majority. I blogged back that the NSA spying scandal is getting as much heat from Republican Congressmen as it is from Democrats. She is also afraid that if Bush is impeached we are going to be stuck with Cheney.

The reality is that Both Bush and Cheney as well as Rumsfeld and the whole gang are guilty of lying to get us into an aggressive war and they can be impeached also.

]]> By: D.J. JANDREY http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-443683 D.J. JANDREY Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:18:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-443683 VERY INTERESTING PAGE.I BELIEVE WE NEED A REAL INVESTIGATION ON GEORGE W BUSH AND THIS ADMINASTRATION VERY INTERESTING PAGE.I BELIEVE WE NEED A REAL INVESTIGATION ON GEORGE W BUSH AND THIS ADMINASTRATION

]]> By: Lois Schank http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-440579 Lois Schank Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:46:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-440579 The administration's use of the FSA wiretapping without going to the FISA court is illegal and should be discontinued at once. This is a democracy and not a fascist state. The president cannot legally decide to ignore the law whenever he pleases. The administration’s use of the FSA wiretapping without going to the FISA court is
illegal and should be discontinued at once. This is a democracy and not a fascist state. The president cannot legally decide to ignore the law whenever he pleases.

]]> By: Think Progress » Specter: Adminstration’s Legal Arguments Are “Strained and Unrealistic” http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-438764 Think Progress » Specter: Adminstration’s Legal Arguments Are “Strained and Unrealistic” Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:33:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-438764 [...] Specter is one of many conservative Senators who have been very critical of the program. Hearings on the program, chaired by Specter, start Monday. [...] [...] Specter is one of many conservative Senators who have been very critical of the program. Hearings on the program, chaired by Specter, start Monday. [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » Grover Norquist: Bush Broke The Law http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-433950 Think Progress » Grover Norquist: Bush Broke The Law Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:58:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-433950 [...] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ [...] [...] It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal: Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“ [...]

]]> By: DoubleSpeak with Matthew and Peter Slutsky » Blog Archive » The Next Issue: NSA Wiretaps http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-432164 DoubleSpeak with Matthew and Peter Slutsky » Blog Archive » The Next Issue: NSA Wiretaps Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:54:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-432164 [...] Karl Rove would like to use this issue as a political cudgel to go after Democrats. Right wing pundit after right wing pundit has tried to paint disapproval of the NSA program as coming solely from the left. In reality, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) have all expressed their doubts about the illegality of the program. [...] [...] Karl Rove would like to use this issue as a political cudgel to go after Democrats. Right wing pundit after right wing pundit has tried to paint disapproval of the NSA program as coming solely from the left. In reality, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) have all expressed their doubts about the illegality of the program. [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » Hagel Echoes Bipartisan Criticism of White House http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-428430 Think Progress » Hagel Echoes Bipartisan Criticism of White House Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:47:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-428430 [...] First, Karl Rove wants the American public to believe only one political party disagrees with Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program. But Hagel added his name to the bipartisan list of senators who question Bush’s authority to conduct the program: HAGEL: I don’t believe, from what I’ve heard, but I’m going to give the administration an opportunity to explain it, that he has the authority now to do what he’s doing. Now, maybe he can convince me otherwise, but that’s OK. [...] [...] First, Karl Rove wants the American public to believe only one political party disagrees with Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program. But Hagel added his name to the bipartisan list of senators who question Bush’s authority to conduct the program: HAGEL: I don’t believe, from what I’ve heard, but I’m going to give the administration an opportunity to explain it, that he has the authority now to do what he’s doing. Now, maybe he can convince me otherwise, but that’s OK. [...]

]]> By: Jim http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-424113 Jim Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:07:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-424113 I;m groggy -ment the left typed the right- or was it the up or maybe down??? I;m groggy -ment the left typed the right- or was it the up or maybe down???

]]> By: Jim http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-424101 Jim Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:50:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-424101 IRI- Your not happy. You should listen to the right. Find out what is making our enimies angry, do whatever it takes to make them happy. bake them cookies, sing koombaya to them maybe turn radic... ah heck- thats not going to work is it? Lets just listen in on their converstions so we can find out what kind of evil things they want to do to us and we can stick our boot you know where. IRI- Your not happy. You should listen to the right. Find out what is making our enimies angry, do whatever it takes to make them happy. bake them cookies, sing koombaya to them maybe turn radic… ah heck- thats not going to work is it? Lets just listen in on their converstions so we can find out what kind of evil things they want to do to us and we can stick our boot you know where.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-420797 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:08:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-420797 Prozac and bourbon, Ah now it's ranting makes sence, but will someone tell his mommy he's raiding her medicine and his dads booze again, ps with a son like it we can understand mommys need for prozac. Prozac and bourbon, Ah now it’s ranting makes sence, but will someone tell his mommy he’s raiding her medicine and his dads booze again, ps with a son like it we can understand mommys need for prozac.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-419745 I-RIGHT-I Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:55:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-419745 #65 You aren’t happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy. Comment by progressive and proud I are two happy. I'm tickled to death to be here with you and the other fine products of liberal public education in America. Nope, don't need therapy, the Prozac and the bourbon seem to be working just fine but, thanks for asking. #65 You aren’t happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy.

Comment by progressive and proud

I are two happy. I’m tickled to death to be here with you and the other fine products of liberal public education in America. Nope, don’t need therapy, the Prozac and the bourbon seem to be working just fine but, thanks for asking.

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-419636 progressive and proud Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:16:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-419636 #65 You aren't happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy. #65 You aren’t happy at all. It is obvious to everyone but yourself. You need therapy.

]]> By: Screwy Hoolie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-419086 Screwy Hoolie Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:24:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-419086 Thanks for doing what you do Think Progress. I put some pictures with these quotes <a href="http://scrutinyhooligans.blogspot.com/2006/01/even-turds-know-what-shit-smells-like.html" rel="nofollow">today at Scrutiny Hooligans</a>. Check 'em out? Thanks for doing what you do Think Progress. I put some pictures with these quotes today at Scrutiny Hooligans. Check ‘em out?

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-418887 big papa Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:23:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-418887 IRI, you have this blog confused with the last time you did time. Comment by Clyde the Ripper Some of them actually think I’ve committed a crime and should be reported to the police for speaking my mind. Yes, I put it up there, so what? That doesn’t excuse you for being a weenie snitch. Comment by I-RIGHT-I #70 <strong>Dammit Clyde, Do the right thing... Don't let "it" intimidate you... If you don't turn "it" in I will... Pigfu*king is a crime, and judging from your conversation I'nsipid-pigR'aping-I'ngrate is obviously a two-time loser...hahahahahaha</strong> ------------------------------------------------------------ Seriously though, This is proof positive of how simple-minded the IRIs are... This bastich is whining and complaining about being monitored and "snitched out" on this harmless forum... But he supports the illegal surveillance and wiretapping of American citizens and trashing the constitutional principles upon which this nation was founded, in a much more serious scenario...real life... What a country...what hypocricy...what inbreds... IRI, you have this blog confused with the last time you did time.

Comment by Clyde the Ripper

Some of them actually think I’ve committed a crime and should be reported to the police for speaking my mind.

Yes, I put it up there, so what? That doesn’t excuse you for being a weenie snitch.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I #70

Dammit Clyde,

Do the right thing…

Don’t let “it” intimidate you…

If you don’t turn “it” in I will…

Pigfu*king is a crime, and judging from your conversation

I’nsipid-pigR’aping-I’ngrate is obviously a two-time

loser…hahahahahaha
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Seriously though,

This is proof positive of how simple-minded the IRIs are…

This bastich is whining and complaining about being monitored and “snitched out” on this harmless forum…

But he supports the illegal surveillance and wiretapping of American citizens and trashing the constitutional principles upon which this nation was founded, in a much more serious scenario…real life…

What a country…what hypocricy…what inbreds…

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/comment-page-2/#comment-418694 I-RIGHT-I Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:10:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/23/both-parties/#comment-418694 Marie, I think if everybody just ignores IRI like he’s not even here he may get frustrated and go elsewhere. And, if not, we’ll at least spare ourselves because arguing with him is absolutely useless. Half the things he says are baits and the other half are insanity. Let’s just make a pledge to completely ignore him, as if he doesn’t even exist and see what happens. Comment by CarolSoprano It won't hurt my feelings if you girls decide not to talk to me, I'm used to that. But I know you can't ignore me and it's just a matter of time before you won't be able to stand not talking. Women have to talk and I am a good listener. It's not my fault that every time you do say something I'm compelled to ridicule you for your leftist fuckwit nonsense. Marie, I think if everybody just ignores IRI like he’s not even here he may get frustrated and go elsewhere. And, if not, we’ll at least spare ourselves because arguing with him is absolutely useless. Half the things he says are baits and the other half are insanity. Let’s just make a pledge to completely ignore him, as if he doesn’t even exist and see what happens.

Comment by CarolSoprano

It won’t hurt my feelings if you girls decide not to talk to me, I’m used to that. But I know you can’t ignore me and it’s just a matter of time before you won’t be able to stand not talking. Women have to talk and I am a good listener. It’s not my fault that every time you do say something I’m compelled to ridicule you for your leftist fuckwit nonsense.

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