VIDEO: Buchanan Compares Bill Clinton to Bin Laden
By on Jan 23rd, 2006 at 9:45 am
VIDEO: Buchanan Compares Bill Clinton to Bin Laden
This weekend on the McLaughlin group, Pat Buchanan — taking a page from Chris Matthews and Bob Schieffer — compared Osama Bin Laden to former president Bill Clinton. Watch it:
(HT: Blogenlust)
Transcript:
MCLAUGHLIN: Question is Bin Laden bluffing? Pat Buchanan.
BUCHANAN: John, I take him seriously for this reason. What Bin Laden is doing, he’s been eclipsed by Zarqawi and Zawahiri. And what he is doing, he is saying with this what Clinton said – I am relevant, I am here, I am alive.
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What is hypocritical about Buchanan is that he has been very critical of Bush for invading Iraq but yet does not fault Bush for not capturing Bin Laden, thus making the U.S. less safe against terrorism. Apparently, for Buchanan, party loyalty is more important than national security.
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:51 am.
…PASS THIS ON…
…Democrates, WALK OUT of Bush
State of the Union Speech
PASS IT ON
more info at… TruthOut.org
WALK OUT, WALK OUT, WALK OUT
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January 23rd, 2006 at 9:52 am.
This is a double-edged sword. The nutjobs say they won’t negotiate with terrorists or do anything else to legitimize terrorists, but they discuss them in the same sentences as one of the most popular presidents in American history.
Is the inverse true? Is Bin Laden a washed-up, popular political figure whom we can discuss with the likes of other world leaders? Buchanan and the wingnuts aren’t sustaining their double standards very well. If my children heard Pat talking this way they wouldn’t think “oh my god that Osama is a terrorist!”. They would think they were talking about some Goddamn lounge singer trying to steal the spotlight again.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:02 amI have seen people on this site compare Bush to Bin Laden so I don’t see ths issue. You people are the ones who lowered political discourse so deal with it Judd! The insurgents are freedom fighters either!
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:03 amHAHAHA Busch and Cheney are Just Bumbling Boobs, and Buchanan is yet another of them. Heck Mr Buchanan Cheney prolly spied on you as well;
Cheney advised President Bush of what had turned up in the raw NSA reports, said one former White House official who worked on counterterrorism related issues.
“What’s really disturbing is that some of those people the vice president was curious about were people who worked at the White House or the State Department,” one former counterterrorism official said. “There was a real feeling of paranoia that permeated from the vice president’s office and I don’t think it had anything to do with the threat of terrorism.
Nothing to do with terrorism…Maybe it had to do with AIPAC spies? Naw Cheney would have turned them in if he knew Right? right? Right?
Yeh Right. Mr Buchanan, dont go away Mad, just go away, and comparing Osama to Clinton is just Rehash. As We all KNOW Mr Buchanan is that Reagan funded the Freedom Fighters of Al qaeda, they are REAGANS and BUSH SRs Frankensteins, and it is they WHOM Osama Resembles.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:04 amGee I didn’t know Clinton said that. I thought he said “Ooooh yeah, that feels good…”
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:09 amShall We go back a bit Mr Buchanan? Since you see also to “FORGET” conveniently?
One of the two was named “Ralph Olberg.” The other one was called Tim Osman (or Ossman).
“Ralph Olberg” was an American businesman who was leading the procurement of American weapons and technology on behalf of the Afghan rebels. He worked through the Afghan desk at the U.S. State Department, as well as through Senator Hubert Humphrey’s office. Olberg looked after the Afghanis through a curious front called MSH—Management Sciences for Health.
The other man, dressed in Docker’s clothing, was not a native Afghan any more than Olberg was. He was a 27-year-old Saudi. Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. “Tim Osman” was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.
REAGAN BUSH=OSAMA
mr ho kno
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:10 am#I have seen people on this site compare Bush to Bin Laden so I don’t see ths issue. You people are the ones who lowered political discourse so deal with it Judd! The insurgents are freedom fighters either!
Comment by Innocent Lite — January 23, 2006 @ 10:03 am
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:11 ammr ho say
Read #7 Lite headed one
Wasn’t he the guy that call Woodward and Bernstein traitors for outing NIXON???
So, why are listening to this idiot again?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:12 am#4 Let’s see…. How many people has Clinton or the Democrats killed? How many people has Bush and the Republicans killed? Hundreds of thousands.
Now do you see the difference?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:12 amReagan + Al qaeda, OSAMA, largest covert OP ever to defeat the ‘Commies’ thereby creating Al qaeda with the Help of the Saudi Wahhabism, State, and wealth.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:14 amStick that into your pipe dream Mr Buchcanan
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:15 amThis is the new Conservative verbal form of Viagra. Remember Bill Bennett’s black baby abortion, theoretical sewer drivel? The VP has used the technique before, it’s like a new toy.TP’s last thread from Chris Wackjob and Joe I wanna be Rush Scarborough was about this same thing.Guilt by association. But here is the question is Clinton evil? Did we fear Bill Clinton, Michael Moore?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amI find it rather amusing that the Republicans compare Democrats to OBL, and then get their knickers in a knot when they’re compared to OBL, then the radical-fundies do it.
So, it’s only appropriate to compare radical fundamentalists to other radical fundamentalists: Patrick Buchanan sounds like Osama bin Laden when he complains about people that he disagrees with.
When the Republicans and radical-fundies start the ball rolling, they have no right to complain when that same ball hits them upside the head.
If they didn’t want to be compared to OBL, they shouldn’t have started doing it in the first place. Double-standards, thy name is Republican.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:19 amBut since Buchanan has been out of the politics since the reagan admin, hasn’t he been doing the samething he accused clinton of doing for almost two decades, or to put it another way … John I take him seriously for this reason, what Bin laden is doing he’s been eclipsed by Zarqawi and Zawahiri. What he is doing here
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 amBut Buchanan has been out of the politics since the reagan admin, hasn’t he been doing the same thing he accused clinton of doing for almost two decades, or to put it another way … John I take him seriously for this reason, what Bin laden is doing he’s been eclipsed by Zarqawi and Zawahiri. And what he is doing, what he is saying with this Buchanan said-I am here I am relivant I am alive.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:23 amOK… Clinton didn’t do enough about Osama and that caused 9/11, some say… now we’re seeing the two people equated with one another… which is it, guys? is Clinton Osama or what? this entire line of discussion is ridiculous, and irrelevant… it’s Bush who emboldened and enabled terrorist…
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:24 amPete – not to mention that it is now 4 years and we still don’t have OBL. Boy, the greatest most powerful nation in the world and we can’t even capture or kill 1 man. Although it would help if we really wanted OBL.
This is the problem, OBL and terrorism is just a smoke screen. It is nothing more than a way to keep the cowards in the corner shaking.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amI have no idea why anyone would care what Pat Buchanan has to say. Seriously, based on what path of career achievement or professional accomplishment would anyone consider PB a relevant voice?
Baffled… that cameras continue to notice him.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:28 am#10 – don’t justify your invective please. It’s disgusting. AND once we attack Iran, it will seem unpatriotic to slander the Commander in Chief.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 amInnocent Lie, name a major political figure who has compared Bush to Bin Laden. You are a liar. And Think Progress has never done it.
The left debased political discourse? Huh? Remember Willie Horton? Lee Atwater? Sorry…that argument holds no water.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 amSpudge, you out there? New Troll on the block. Innocent lite is either Peggy Noonan or Mighty Afrodighty.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:34 amIL – Slander is only when someone says something that they don’t know about or have proof of. Telling the truth is not slander. Saying that Bush is the worst president in American history is not slander, it is the truth. This can be proven by comparing the previous presidents with this president. The stats clearly show this and CANNOT be disputed.
So now your telling me that hundreds of thousands of Iraqies were not killed in bombings or gunfire? Well, I guess I stand corrected.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:35 am# 10 did you forget Vietnam? How convenient for you to forget that it was the author of the “Great Society” your very own Democrat President FDR who imprisoned 80,000 innocent Japanese American citizens and another 40,000 persons of Japanese origins. They suffered immensely. Yet somehow he is considered one of the “great” presidents. And another Dem President Truman who dropped the bombs on Japan.
For most of the 20th century the Democrats controled washington and they were not exactly kind to the minority party. What goes around comes around. If by chance anyone in this White House is found guilty I will clap when the Republicans filibuster your attemps to impeach and dance the day Bush pardens them all. “Oh happy day.â€
Monday Sen McCain stated what is obvious to most people of good will. That anyone who says Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction is a liar. But the freaks on the left continue to repeat the lie. As a result I and much of America can with certainly conclude your motives while you have to assume the negative motive of the President. Most decent people dont behave like you wing nuts, we give the benifit of the doubt. We presume a person innocent.
Along those lines a comment about human behavior. Often people transfer onto others and dispise in others that which they in fact dispise in themselves. The thief trusts no one because they assume everyone else is a thief.
What have the Dems actually done for the poor? Or Blacks? Or the environment truly nothing they talk a good talk but do s**t.
Show me were blacks are elected in White democratic controlled districts. Show me were the dems have all given up their SUVs with the “Save the Earth” bumper stickers on them and begun taking mass transit. Show me a Democrat controlled district were poverty has been eliminated. You want to blame the President for everything.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:36 amHold yourself and your local officials responsible. But you dont. Its always pass the buck with you. Someone else in DC should care for the poor or minorities or the environment. Talk is crap. Hollywood big shots get on TV and guilt you into giving what little you have while they live like kings and you give them a meddal for being so brave. Invite the poor to come live in your house or pay their rent out of your pocket if you think handouts are the answer. Cut your lawn with a push mower if you are conserned about the air quality. Move into the inner city and renovate a building if you are concerned about urban sprawl. The “revolution” has to start with you. But instead you try to get the courts to force it on everyone else. Then you bad mouth christians for trying to “force” their values on you when they simply talk about God. You freaks are the hypocrits but your head is stuck so far up your ass you cant see.
#24, that is the most ignorant post I have seen in some time. I don’t have time to refute all of your nonsense, but frankly your post doesn’t deserve serious attention. Get some professional help.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 am#24 nice diversion, about as effective as Mr Buchanan’s.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:40 amAh, I see the neo-cons are successful in getting us distracted from their criminal activity and arguing among ourselves. Remember, Neo-cons do not want discourse, they believe they create their own realities. In their world, if it works, it was their idea, and if it doesn’t it was because of Bill Clinton.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 amOh and I suppose you think you are sane?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 am“You see, bin Laden used what in anthropological terms is called ‘language’. He has this in common with Clinton, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, and left-wing hate groups such as the ACLU and Habitat for Humanity. This is in contrast to the Lord-favored Right which uses what is called ‘bullshit’.”
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:43 amAh the party of law and order, defending the Constitution of the United States and the values it was built upon to the last breath:
“If by chance anyone in this White House is found guilty I will clap when the Republicans filibuster your attemps to impeach and dance the day Bush pardens them all. “Oh happy day.†”
This, however is quite true:
“The “revolution†has to start with you”
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:43 amWhere am I wrong?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 amWhat crap. As far as I ever knew, fundamentalism was a conservative trait. There’s a lot more commonality between Islamic fundamentalists and the right than there is between the Islamacists and the left. Which is probably why our repub friends are trying to link Bin Laden to the left — another preemptory bullshit strike.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:47 amHey Innocent Lite – Teddy’s calling you out:
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country.”
-Theodore Roosevelt
“To announce there must be no criticism of the President, and to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is morally treasonous to the American public.â€
– President Theodore Roosevelt
Are you unpatriotic, servile, morally treasonous or all three?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:49 am#24 – Show me where the Republicans have elected blacks in white Republican controlled districts?
Show me a Republican controlled district helped the poverty level, and didn’t just price them out of the community? Making lower-wage people move out because you force the price higher than they can afford does not “eliminate” poverty.
All the Republicans have done is talk a line of ca-ca about how they’re the so-called “party of personal responsibility”, but when it comes down to actually TAKING responsibility for their actions, they’re missing in action. It’s always someone else’s fault for their failures. It wasn’t Pres. Clinton that allowed thousands of American citizens to die on our own soil because of foreign terrorists. It wasn’t Pres. Clinton that claimed trying to kill Osama bin Laden during the 90’s was an attempt to distract from his impeachment. What do you think would have happened if he was successful?
Hypocrisy is breaking the rules you enforce on others. So, where is all the “honor” and “dignity” in the White House now? Could it be the outing of CIA operatives? How about turning the largest surplus into the largest deficit? Or maybe getting thousands of soldiers killed and tens of thousands maimed in order to invade a country that had NO ties to Al Quida?
It looks like it’s the radical fundies and the Republican party that are the hypocrites and liars. No, stop drinking the kool-aid, and wake up to the realities of the current administration: Questioning the President about anything he does is Un-American!
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:49 am#24 – So you don’t like America? You don’t like your civil liberties? You don’t like the Constitution?
That’s the Rebublicans for you. First of all you talk to me like I am a Democrat. I don’t affiliate myself with a party. I vote for the best person, and I can tell you I did not vote for Bush.
Let’s just discuss the facts rather than your opinion.
1) OBL is still at large. Bush has stated “I really don’t think about him much anymore”. As well as a high ranking DOD official saying “OBL was never our objective.”
2) Bush has stated that if the Generals ask for more troops that they will get them. However, before the war started almost all of the Generals said that we needed around 500000 troops, but Rummey said no. Those Generals were releived of this duty. Then recent Generals stated that they needed more troops, yet that did not happen. So Bush is doing a “heck of a job.”
3) There was more intel the months before 9/11 to tell of the attacks, but Bush ingnored them (intentionally). This was his “Pearl Harbor” that the PNAC document was needed to go to war in Iraq.
4) Bush has ignored the laws and bypassed them to suit his own needs. The FISA courts have only rejected around 5 out of 13 or 18,000 warrants. Not to mention that Bush could start the surveilence and then 3 days later go and get the warrant.
5) Bush now wants to obtain Googles database for his spying plans. This is only the beginning.
6) The Anthrax that was distributed shortly after 9/11 was Military grade and came from the US military. This was only sent to Democrats who opposed Bushes war plan. Also, why did the White House start taking CIPRO just days after 9/11? CIPRO is a counter agent to Anthrax. Obviously, the WH knew that Anthrax was going to be sent through the mail.
I could go on, but this should be enough to challenge your mind. Please note that I am not attacking you or your party. Please answer how it is that all of these amazing things can be just a coinciedene?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 amThey are trying very hard to keep us from noticing both are fundamental religious extremeists.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 am#31 Where are you right?
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 amOh yeah, we desperastely need bushlandia to fight the terrist in Iraq.
Last year the number of terror incidents was over 34,000, up over 20 percent.
Great job you are doing bushlandia.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 am#24, hey dude, are you saying that internment without trial is wrong? Good for you, now why don’t you dash off a letter to your Congressman – Jose Padilla needs your help, so do the thousands of Iraqis held without trial or charge in Iraq.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 amWe had the revolution. The Dems lost and now you cant stop crying about it.
I love the constitution that is why I am so pleased to see Dems out of power and conservatives about to clean house in the Supreme Court.
Obviously I challenged your pathetic little minds because you addressed none of my issues.
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:59 am#39 – three years later and just one letter has changed in the target. Did you know there’s a mullah under your bed right now with a dirty bomb in his pocket?
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amLet’s see, the right takes some quotes from the left, have an arab guy same them into a recorder, releases the tape, then say they sound alike!
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 amOh add one more credit to bush… Ford just announced that they have to close 7 final assembly plants, total of 12 plants, 25-30,000 high paying jobs lost, one quarter of the companies capacity. But it isn’t really bushes fault, Clinton lost all those jobs. The wingnuts will tell us that. greatest president at damaging the economic future of this country ever , yea I’d agree with that. second place hoover.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:02 amNo friend, you don’t seem to want to let the law decide whether the Executive broke the law or not – you have no respect for your Constitution – that’s obvious. Oh and try and keep your ad hominem insults to yourself, it shows how weak your arguments are.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 am#41 – Your challenge is about the past. We are not living in the past. You are talking about things that are over 40 years old. Get a freeking clue.
That’s your problem, you can only talk about things that are older than 10 years old. I could go back in history as well, but that is not the point. The issue is the current Administration. Of course there has been issues in the past. These issues have been addressed and are now HISTORY. Why don’t you wake up and address the issues at hand.
Answer my questions? Your information was largely statements that did not address the issue at hand. If you address the issues at hand, I am sure you would get some answers.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:04 amEvery time you dont like the truth or get some of your own medicine you call it an “ad hominem attack.”
I want investigations no doubt but that does not mean I should let you all fling your BS around without flinging some of my own. Just to see how you like it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 amA rebuttal for most of the #24 foaming rant can be found here:
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Thank_a_liberal
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 am#46 ok where were you freaks when clinton was lobbing bombs on civilian targets?
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:09 am#45 – No that’s not true. Everyone wants an investigation. Thats the issue, Bush does not because he knows that this is ILLEGAL. Why do you think that anytime someone wants to do an investigation, Bush says “No – No that’s a matter of National Security”. This is his blanket of protection. He feels that if he keeps people at bay with this blanket statement that he can continue his illegal activities.
By the way, saying that someone broke the law does not go against our Constitution.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:09 am#47 “pathetic little minds” – ad hominem attack. That’s not truth, friend.
“flinging some of my own [BS]” – thanks for helping us understand your posts a little better, I was having trouble putting it in a category myself.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amBlackeye I answered you directly… as far as FDR and the japanese american camps… I have heard on this very site several times people say that it was an unAmerican move. Sheep like you follow the line no matter what the truth is. Progressives would impeach their own president if they thought he was trying to destroy the Constitution. FDR tried to stack the deck with the supreme court like Bushco is now. Not only did he not get his way but his own party which controlled congress shot him down because they said if he got his way with the supreme court then the balance of powers would be destroyed.
No man should be trusted. Americans must with absolute viciousness protect the Constitution. Even in the middle of trying times like wars. In WWII we followed the law for the most part. And the democrats acknowledge the wrongs that were done…not try to cover it up by saying the republicans are a bunch of nazi sympathizers.
Not all people outside of the republican party are against the use of the nuclear bomb in WWII. There is a BIG difference between a peacenik and a moderate democrat. Democrats lead us through WWII. They were able to morally do so because in WWII America was attacked and we attacked back the people whom attacked us. YOUR bushies response to 911 was NOT an attack on the people that attacked us. It was a diversion away from the people that attacked us. And those very same people that attacked us are financial backers of almost all neocon right wing instituitions in America. THAT MAKES YOU AND YOUR BUSH FOLLOWERS TRAITORS TO AMERICA. You support the Saudis even though they attacked us. You should be put in camps so you cannot stop America from going after the people that attacked us. Because you have been able to steal election after election through the use of PACs and redistricting and in some cases preventing voting all together like in 2004 you have been able to shield the Saudis from America like the little traitors that you are.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:11 amMost of you give the Dems a pass when they pull the same crap. But act like its the end of the world when a Republican does it. Its transparent and hypocritical.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:11 am#49 – Nobody said it was right. But by far it is less EVIL than invading a country and killing over 180,000 people. The loss of lives in the bombings of Clinton is pale in comparison to your “heck of a job” President.
You just don’t get it do you!
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 am#47, “I want investigations no doubt”. But you’ve already said that whatever the outcome, you will goosestep your way down Pennsylvania Avenue when Bush pardons everyone who has broken the Constitution. I’m confused by your contradictory positions, friend.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 am#53, this is not about the Dems, this is not about Clinton. The Constitution should apply to all equally, not ‘well he did it, so I can too’ – my four-year-old uses that argument.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:16 am#52 “You should be put in camps so you cannot stop America from going after the people that attacked us.”
Ah the true colors. Kind of like keeping the black man in the getto so he’ll keep voting for you in hopes of escape.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:17 amLooks like Blackeye is about as good as all the other trolls that fling accusations and cannot back up a single argument.
Religious fundamentalism is all the same: extremism is the answer, and anyone who questions that MUST be evil!
Too bad they never look in the mirror to see the log in their own eyes, the are obsessed with the splinter in everyone else’s eyes.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:17 am“Terror-baiting” – the latest tactic of the reactionary-biased Mainstream Media.
Chris Matthews’& Joe Scarborough’s comments equating Michael Moore with Osama bin Laden (OBL), Pat Buchannan’s comments equating President Clinton with OBL, Tucker Carlson’s comments stating the NYTimes Op-Ed Page as a source for OBL and Bob Schieffer equating John Kerry and OBL are the contemporary equivalent to the McCarthyite “red-baiting” of the 1950s.
A quick reminder (or introduction for the younger people) – in the 1950s reactionary politicians and political hacks and others would denounce critics as “communists” or “communist sympathizers” to discredit them and ruin careers and lives, aka red-baiting.
This growing catalogue of “terror-baiting” comments regarding are outrageous and further evidence of the mainstream media’s “Reactionary Bias.” It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Every time it happens they have to be hounded and the public has to kept aware.
Along with Think Progress, these sites do a great job: Crooks & LiarsFiredoglake.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amBush has a tough job to do does he do it perfectly no but you try to cover your ass when you mess up too. that does not make him “EVIL”.
It makes him human. But you Michael Moore types go ape and lose all sense of perspective saying what you want not policing yourselves. But have fit when its done back to you.
I have made a great demonstration which you should all learn from.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:22 amI generally have about zero regard for Buchanan, but I think jumping on him for this comparison is a bit unfair. He wasn’t equating the two. He was pointing out one particular feature that they (in his opinion) have in common. Unless there’s more to the quote that wasn’t shown, I don’t really see what’s so bad about it.
Here, I’ll compare Judd Legum to the Marquis de Sade: Each of them has two “d”s in his name. So there.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:23 am#60 – there is a difference between making a mistake and out right breaking the law.
Also, tell me one time when this administration has stated one thing that turned out to be the truth. Just one.
1) 9/11 – we had no idea that this would happen. Tons of informtion was telling them this, including the August PDB.
2) Iraq war, WMD’s. Despite the Inteligence agency telling Bush and the Administration that there was a lack of information to support their claim, the went with it anyway.
3) We don’t tourcher. Yet- the WH was fighting feverishly to ensure that we could tourcher.
4) The president does not know Abramhoff. Yet he was part of his campain teem, and the largest contributor to his campain. Now there are plenty of people who are coming forward telling the truth, and showing pictures. Yet Bush keeps on lying.
So please, tell me how this does not make him evil? This is not like he lied about a BJ, he has lied that has KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 am#60 – Thanks Blackeye, I’ve learned a lot from you. Since you seem to be a strong supporter of minorities with your comments about blacks, perhaps you’d like to address the disenfranchisement of 93,000 blacks in Florida in 2000 by the Republican candidate’s brother with us? Here’s a refresher for you. http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=217&row=2
And then can we talk more about internment without trial? Acts of Attainder and Habeas Corpus some more?
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:29 am#57 ..ok ok maybe a bit far ..but the bottom line is the japanese americans were put in camps because people feared they MIGHT sabotage things here at home. But we KNOW that the neocons are out to make America into a future taliban style country. They want wars for the same reason Roman emporers wanted wars… unlimited power for a few people at the top at the expense of the people. America was a rebelion against this way of governing. Liberals support liberty because America is about liberty for all. Neo cons want a caste system where there are white rightwing people of privilege that rule over the people. This is an unAmerican attack on America here at home. I can deal with a suicide bomber on my own if I need to, but if the American government is turned against the people it will be just like nazi germany all over again. Nero was able to throw christians to the lions because the state of Rome gave up its Senate so the emporer could have the “power he needed to fight the wars” …even though the wars were wars of conquest not defense… Republican wars… WWI … germany wasnt attacking us…Korea… they were not attacking us… Vietnam they were not attacking us… Iraq I ..they were not attacking us… Iraq 2 they were not attacking us…
Democrat wars… WWII … We were attacked…
See the differnce? If Gore was president, as well he should have been, I would EXPECT that he would treat 911 like pearl harbor x 10 … Attack those that attacked us until they are all dead or surrender… and that means Saudi Arabia NOT some side show like Iraq.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:29 amthis nut case reminds me of hitlers ‘ministry of fear’ mouthpiece…so there.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amMust be the new talking point. RNC – Guys we are getting killed everywhere. The public does not trust us, we are hip deep in scandal. The way our of this is to comnpare any critic to Bin Laden. CLinton = Binladen, Kery = BinLaden, Moore = Bionladen…yadda yadda yadda. The wings nuts willl eat it up and send ue their cash. Our media will hop on board and disseminate this as truth and we can avoid dicussion on all of our dirty scandals by diverting the argument.
Yep, that’s the ticket.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amgerald – i will forever believe that had gore been allowed to have his presidency, he would have followed through with the vigalence and determination that his predecessor had dedicated to OBL and terrorism in general…in short – 9/11 would NOT have happened.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 amRepublican wars… WWI … germany wasnt attacking us…Korea… they were not attacking us… Vietnam they were not attacking us… Iraq I ..they were not attacking us… Iraq 2 they were not attacking us…
Democrat wars… WWII … We were attacked…
While Republicans are warmongers, the Democrats are hardly innocent.
The Korean war was started during a Democratic administration (Truman). Eisenhower may have laid the seeds for Vietnam, but the actual shooting war started during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. (The latter tried to make it looked like we were attacked, but it turned out to be a lie.)
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 amI would think PUKEannan would admire bin laden, considering that he has been enamored with every fascist in the world his entire life. There’s no question that pukeannan is fascist through and through. He would love to set this country back socially hundreds of years. I wish pukeannan would die already.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 amBTW doesn’t pukeannan resemble Fred Flinstone?
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:38 amPhilately (and others) have it right–this is nothing new. Buchanan wrote about the ‘Nattering Nabobs of Negativity’ for Tricky Dick (just the most infamous in our litany of disreputable presidents) and now is reverting to type, unfortunate because of his opposition to the neocon agenda.
The corporate media talking heads are all of a mind to promote the much-repeated administration policy that Zarqawi is the new bogeyman that Americans should fear, and if he is quoted as quoting Kennedy or Mooore it’s just a case of ‘birds of a feather’ and NOT the real issue, which is: Bush is fulfilling the bin Laden dream of an Islamic fundamentalist government in Iraq, bought with buckets of blood and billions of bucks.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:41 am#68 ..true ..though here recently in the news it has been shown that some people in the pockets of Americas VERY wealthy weapons companies had forged documents that showed we were attacked by the vietnamese when in fact we were not attacked at all by anyone and then this info was given to Johnson. BUT as far as I know Johnson was just as complicit in that forgery as was the current administration. So I will ceede that maybe the democratic president Johnson was involved his own party was against it and the republicans took vietnam on as their baby and for the same reasons they are all hot and heavy on every war that has nothing to do with defense.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amIf you looked like Pat Buchanan and had a sister that looks like Bay….
What else could you do with your day…
Except lash out at the world…
Total abstinence- or constantly having to pay exhorbitant amounts for it- will make anyone cynical of the object of his/her envy…
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amComparing Osama to Clinton is more flattering to Osama than it is damaging to Clinton.
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:59 am#68 and others – I find it intersting that the rift in the US today can be still traced back to Vietnam very clearly.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pmOh for Christ’s sake, Buchanan was just using as a reference idea something Clinton said after Gingrich and his boobs scored big in the ‘94 elections — Clinton made the point that he was still president, still relevant. That’s hardly comparing Clinton to bin Laden. Jesus, if we on the left ever want to get taken seriously again, we need to stop all this childish tit-for-tat BS spinning of which side says the nastiest thing.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmIs this supposed to be a strategy to maintain gestapo control of Congress? Connecting Democrats to terrorists?
The Repukelicans are so desperate.
I agree. On the State of the Union address, every reasonable Democrat and independent should walk out in protest. Plus. since the media decides to declare war on us, we should do the same with them. That’s why blogs like this are here.
Also, it’s not time to rest on our laurels. Because I’m going to send Chris Matthews my third e-mail today. So should everyone, just to see if he’ll acknowledge his failure and at least apologize for being an asshole.
Keep up the fight.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:05 pm“But we KNOW that the neocons are out to make America into a future taliban style country” See this is the crap I was talking about. Ill be back.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 pmA little off topic, but…..
I wrote my representatives and told them that they need to shut down the government and take care of these pressing issues at hand with the President. I stated that our Constitution and civil liberties are at risk if they don’t.
Call and write your reps. The more people stand up, the more they will have to listen.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 pmAh the true colors. Kind of like keeping the black man in the getto so he’ll keep voting for you in hopes of escape.
Comment by blackeye #57
b’laggart,
That’d be the “conservative”, right wing, racists in YOUR Party and circle of friends and family who support White privilege, and who are using claims of “reverse discrimination” in Friend of the Court Amicus Briefs to the Supreme Court to curtail Black (and other minority) enrollment in to schools like the UofM Law School in order to perpetuate your racist WASP male privilege…
There are too many injustices and inequities you inbreds support that you have no idea about…
Read a book called Two Nations, by Andrew Hacker…if you can…
…in it you’ll learn that A Black man who graduates from college earns 26.7% more than a White high school graduate. But a White male college graduate earns 61.6% more than a White high school graduate…
So for a Black male college graduate a college education gives him less than 1/2 the earnings advantages than that of his White counterpart…(p. 112)
Why is that B’laggart? Because of Progressives? I don’t think so…
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 pm#78, don’t go, we want to bask in the reflected glow of your intellect. I feel smarter every time I read your posts…
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 pmConfuse the facts and do it over and over and over until drive through, micro-wave addicted Americans lose track of the truth. Until it doesn’t work any longer, expect rove / cheney and monkey boy to stick with it. Lap dogs like Patrick love being the center of attention even if he has to play out the continuing role of the biggest fool in the world. Remember, bad attention is better than no attention.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmBlackeye.. I grew up in right wing America. I heard all of their prejudice. I heard them talking about America is out to get them. I heard them saying that Americas liberals must be marginalized so that this can be a christian nation. You are not fooling me … this crap was being said in church and I went to church two times a week for years. The neocons themselves have papers explaining their conquest plans … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
I HAD to get away from the people I grew up with because they were part of some cult that they called christianity that had nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with neoconservatism.
I dont make this crap up. I was born here. I heard this crap growing up. And I have been reading about it ever since. You should do some reading also…
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmSounds like the neocons are running scared. They keep searching for something to distract the public from the real issues – their lies and terrorizing of Americans.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmReading that quote, it does not come across as if Buchanan was comparing Bin Laden to Clinton. He was using his name in the context of political or social relevancy.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmThink progress has gone fishin with this one.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmTraven,
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmYou’re wrong–Buchanan certainly was comparing Clinton to bin Laden. Read the quote again. It’s sad that the principal spokesman for true conservatism, and sometime presidential candidate, doesn’t know the difference between a popular ex-president who had some conservative values and a Bush family crony.
#79 RemoveBush
I’m at a loss for any changes from the folks that speak for my district in Washington. I’ve often wrote to Senators Specter and Santorum only to get a response from them that they were not going to listen to my concerns and would vote party line. My Representative in the House usually splits his votes and more often than not has voted with the Republicans even though he is a Democrat. Things will be different next year when PA will have a Democrat in the Senate. Goodbye Rickie! Can’t wait to you are out of here.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pm#83 – that’s some scary stuff you posted. These ‘christian cults’ are no different then Osama’s cult. Religious fundementalism is the same everywhere. So I guess I’ll get burned at the stake because I don’t go to church. At least my spirit will go to heaven and won’t have to be accountable for all the deaths and meanness inflicted on others in the name of religion.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pm#88 Thats good, but here is another tip. Write them ALL. Not just your representatives, but ALL SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN. I do this all the time. They work for the American people first and state second.
I tear into all of the replys that I get back. Especially the onese that are form letters. Considering that I specifically state that I do not want or will accept a form letter.
It takes me about a day to send them all out, but I think it is worth it. Even if they just ignor it. I keep them coming and I keep providing the evidence to support my claims. If I can show proof, this shows that they certainly can find the truth.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pm#24: “Most decent people dont behave like you wing nuts, we give the benifit of the doubt. We presume a person innocent.”
Thank you for pointing out the basic indeceny of Bush and his administration, where people are presumed guilty, denied the right to counsel, the right to habeus corpus, the right to be protected from torture, the right to be protected from an invasion of privacy without a court order.
Does this mean anything to you? Or will you just ignore it?
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pm#85 and 86, agreed, except to point out that Buchanan’s point was to associate the name Clinton with bin Laden.
For the weak-minded, it works.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmJesus-fucking-H, Pat… you were wearing that tie when you worked for Nixon…
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pmBlackeye–Bill Clinton’s administration achieved a level of prosperity during the nineties singularly noteworthy in the history of this country. It can be compared to the “Golden Age” in Greece under Pericles. The stock market was approaching the heralded 12,000 level, 23 million jobs created, US respected around the globe, current accounts deficits inherited from previous incumbents turned into substantial surpluses, reduced government spending, lowered trade imbalances, and consumer confidence at an all time high. The golden age is gone forever to be replaced by uncontrolled spending,burgeoning deficits,corruption and graft at the highest levels of government,cronyism,suspicion of American foreign policy and a steady decline in the prosperity and security of the American people. 61% of the American people agree. Remember those famous words, “The constitution is just a Goddamned scrap of Paper”. He did take an oath to respect, defend and protect the precious document. How do you classify this remark? It is as baffling as Bush’ mock search in the Oval Office for WMDS revealed on a tape at a White House Press dinner. This was a disgrace and insult to brave soldiers and the American people who may have believed that there was a justification for the debacle in Iraq. The 39% in support of this administration is either delusional or benefitting materially.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pm#85 & #86 – Greg was being too polite in the conservative trend. Let me spell it out in simple terms that “slash and burn” progressives might understand. (In the same polite mode, I am NOT including the non-karma challenged in this description.)
Mentioning the craving for attention by our popular former President, Bill Clinton and noting the overshadowing of bin Laden by his #2 and Iraqi surrogate is not to say that Bill has been the mastermind behind violent and hideous deeds. Can you spell S-T-R-E-T-C-H??????????????
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmI Have ONE Question for you BLACKEYE, HAVE YOU BEEN TO WAR LATELY? HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ OR AFGANISTAN?
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:29 pmDid you ever SERVE?
Do You have a DD214?
if not, STFU !
#89 ..there is a difference between the cults I grew up in and Osamas… Osamas is based on Islam which is about fighting for freedom from outside invaders… christian cults are about communities that live the way Jesus (a man of peace and truth) wanted them to. Which sounds strange because of the way they act doesnt follow along with Jesus… but they think it does. They really believe that Nero is still out there somewhere in America feeding christians to lions and he looks just like Michael Moore because their preacher said so. The KNOW that racism is bad and dont agree with KKK ideals like the sourthern baptists do. But they are not too bright either and are easily tricked into voting out of fear of the abortionists and gays invading from the hills trying to make them all gay and have abortions…??? They are basically good people that have given up on trying to teach people Jesus and instead want to force Jesus on people through law. And so they are just as dangerous as the southern racists, but they dont mean to be.
The southern racists baptists on the other hand not only believe everything the christians I grew up with believe, but they also have extreme hatred in their hearts… the hatred of racism. As much as people want to believe that the KKK days are over they are not. The southerns (even the nice ones) all say things like, “This is a good neighbor where I live. Mostly clean. If you know what I mean. wink wink …
I was doing a job as a consultant down at Redstone Arsenall, AL …its an army base. And the guy that was in charge of the software developers there was a very nice very smart guy.. infact he got me hooked on that game Americas Armys … he had me over to meet his family and have dinner one night. He took me out for a drive around the town. He made one of those wink wink statements to me and I just couldnt believe it … I didnt say anything because it was obvious he truely believed what he said was acceptable and I didnt want to get all political on his ass when he was trying to be nice to me…but I mean come on… it is STILL totally in their minds that they are NOT CREATED EQUAL with the blacks… They STILL do not accept that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL … THAT prejudice is what makes the southern cults more like Osama than the northern christian cults. Islam is about “fighting the outsiders” which is easily translated into …”Those dirty people, if you know what I mean..wink wink…” Racism + religious fundamentalism = evil … religious fundamentalism by itself is weird … but not dangerous.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:29 pm#10
Casualties civilian and military under a Democrat president or a Republican president thru out the history of the U.S.? It isn’t even close. I think the Democrats win hands down…or am I wrong?
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 pmFirst: Comparing Clinton to Bin Laden is not acceptable on National TV. It is hate mongering after a man, who despite being treat like shit ever since the end of his reign still found it within himself to help America in its hour of greatest need (Hurricane Katrina. Clinton as a former president villified by the current mis-administration, did more to help then Bush, the head of the current mis-administration)
Clinton, basically the biggest scandal of his career, was getting a blowjob from the weird intern (not washing the dress is just kind of, odd.) While his reign had its critics, he left a huge, record breaking surplus behind him when he handed power over to Bush. Bush promptly spent it, and has run up an overdraft with communist China.
Now we are nearing a point where Bush’s incompetence can be checked. We have two major scandals all going at the same time, both reflecting matters of integrity. One is Republicans taking bribes, another is big brother spying on Americans.
This is aside from the piss-poor work that made Katrina all that much worse, the downright puzzling invasion of Iraq, the underperformance of the American economy etc, etc, etc…
I once challenged a wingnut to name one positive contribution Bush made to America. I am still waiting for an answer to that.
When these next elections come, vote for someone a trifle bit more ethically hygenic. If you don’t trust the Democrats, there are other parties you can vote for that aren’t the Republicans.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pmChris Matthews might ask, why do so many Republicans sound like Osama?
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pm#98 ..WWII was justified… almost none of the republican wars were in self defense.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pmCasualties civilian and military under a Democrat president or a Republican president thru out the history of the U.S.? It isn’t even close. I think the Democrats win hands down…or am I wrong?
It’s a pretty pointless comparison, since the identities and compositions of the two parties have changed radically over time.
But yes, you are wrong. The Civil War (under a Republican administration) had about 550,000 deaths, which is about equal to American deaths in WWI (the war which was supposed to end all wars, but didn’t) and WWII (the big one) combined. Other wars had considerably smaller body counts, and most of them were bipartisan, so it ends up being basically a wash.
cite.
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 pmHERE IT IS ,PLAIN AND EXTREMELY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND !
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmNO WAR IS A GAME TO CELEBRATE OR CHEER FOR OR RALLY FOR.
ALL WARS ARE WRONG !
BOTH SIDES IN A WAR GET HURT.
TAKE TWO AVERAGE PEOPLE IN A FIGHT.
ARE YOU JUST GOING TO STAND BY AND LET THE FIGHT CONTINUE OR ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO BREAK IT UP? OR, ARE YOU GOING TO CALL THE POLICE?(u.n. pOLICE FORCE IS WHAT IS NEEDED!)
NOW TELL ME I AM WRONG YOU RIGHT WING MOFIA THUGS!
#101
Vietnam was self defense? Bosnia was self defense?
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 pm#102 – Your observation about the number of deaths in the Civil War was just that – an observation. Should that war have been fought to preserve the Union or was the North shoving their values onto the South? I think it was worth every horrible moment to preserve the Union and free slaves. If we had many of the elite progs and pacifists in charge during the Civil War, I could imagine the following conversation:
“Orwell, who are we to impose our values on the South. I mean, it’s a shame – a darn shame – that Negro people are bought and sold, brutalized, intimidated and their families are split up. But is that our fight? But really Orwell, maybe things weren’t so bad with lecherous ol’Massah in charge. I mean – they were fed and exercised…when they weren’t being killed and tortured.”
It’s a good thing the American people have a poor perception of the Dems defense and security capabilities. Rule of thumb – “If a Dem is watching your back, grow eyes in the back of your head.”
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmI didn’t say anything about which wars shoud’ve been fought and which shouldn’t.
The original poster (Tracy) made a claim. I debunked it. End of story.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 pm“If a Dem is watching your back, grow eyes in the back of your head.â€
If a Republican is watching your back, you’d better have those eyes, because chances are the reason he’s watching your back is because he’s planning to stab it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:21 pm#1,
Pat Buchanan is a psychopathic moron.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:47 pm
#101
Vietnam was self defense? Bosnia was self defense?
Comment by Tracy
Eisenhower got us embroiled in Viet Nam. Learn your history. If you do that you will know that WWI started in the Balkans. WWIII may have been prevented by President Clinton. Conservatard idiotology in action.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:50 pmRegarding quotas MLK shared his dream of an America were people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Quotas destroy that dream and create further division.
Christian are no more all rascist as Dems are all facist. Its that kind of demonizing rhetoric which alienates the majority of Americans who do believe and leaves a power vacuum where the Dems used to be. I promise that will not change until you change.
Most Americans left or right dont have the time to investigate each and every one of your allegations. But your rabid hate filled rhetoric is a turn off. Thats what they know. You call them stupid or inbreds but your the ones left out in the cold. What has all your suppossed intelligence done for you? Nothing because you are not wise enough to shut up and make yourselves palatable. The best steak covered in crap looks and tastes like crap. The left is losing in Canada and all across Europe. I lean right but I dont trust any government. I dont want to see a monoploly on power but I cant stomach the tactics and extremism of the left. The “My guy is Saint AL. Your guys are all bad” language is infantile. I dont think President Bush is all that but most of us recognize that politicians left or right are all corrupt. Its not new its not shocking and the lefts latching on to the present scandle is transparent. The few ideas you have are too radical for most Americans but you insist they change. You become reactionary and further alienate.
You keep complaining about the media but the fact remains the left has a great deal of media presence. The right has the same complaint.
Thats what you have to deal with and until you do some serious self examination you will continue to lose. You are the ones who are doing the rights bidding because they know how to sell themselves and their ideas.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:52 pmNote to Gary – I noted you did NOT say which should have been fought and which should not. THAT would have been MUCH too “judgemental” and many libs avoid that at ALL cost. But you must admit it was rather interesting to take “contemporary” progressive values and super-impose them onto the conflicts of the day.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:52 pm#99
“Clinton, basically the biggest scandal of his career, was getting a blowjob from the weird intern”
Basically ONE of the biggest scandal of bubba’s career was lying to a grand jury just like Libby did.
“Bush promptly spent it, and has run up an overdraft with communist China.”
Do you know what the Chinese trade deficit was as the beginning of 2000? Do you know that This reminds me that the biggest scandal of the Clinton administration was theft of nuclear information by Chinese spys and donations the the DNC by Chineses agents.
“the underperformance of the American economy”
Unemployment is a 5% and is on very solid footing according to the econmonic experts.
“I once challenged a wingnut to name one positive contribution Bush made to America. I am still waiting for an answer to that.”
There hasn’t been a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. Sadamm is no longer running Iraq and they now have a CHANCE to impliment some serious political reform. Afghanistan is no longer that base of operations for al Qaeda training camps. Bin Laden is no longer running al Qaeda.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmBTW, Eisenhower was opposed to the “Korean adventure”. He probably would not have escalated the action in Viet Nam but as we all know, certain elements in the government, the same ones advocating the GWOT, had a GWOC they were bound and determined to fight, so we got involved in a country’s civil war, a country that neither sttacked us, nor threatened us in any way. Sound familiar?
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:57 pm
#96 Bye the way “Flashback” GFYS. That is typical freak crap but ill give it right back to you you dumb f**k
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmBasically ONE of the biggest scandal of bubba’s career was lying to a grand jury just like Libby did.
You are an idiot. Clinton never gave testimony before a GJ. Go away you moron.
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmNote to Gary – I noted you did NOT say which should have been fought and which should not. THAT would have been MUCH too “judgemental†and many libs avoid that at ALL cost.
Nonsense. I’ll gladly get judgemental:
You’re quite obviously an idiot who has nothing of significance to say.
How about that? I don’t feel that getting this off my chest has compromised my ethical and philosophical values in the slightest.
But you must admit it was rather interesting to take “contemporary†progressive values and super-impose them onto the conflicts of the day.
It might be, but only if you were to display some actual understanding of those values.
Hint: It was the progressives and leftist radicals of the day who started the movement to abolish slavery, while the wingnuts of the day opposed them every step of the way.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pmCorrection:
Make that: Clinton never gave perjured testimony before a GJ.
Correction.
One little word makes all the difference.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pmHint: It was the progressives and leftist radicals of the day who started the movement to abolish slavery, while the wingnuts of the day opposed them every step of the way.
Comment by Gary Kleppe
It was those damn Quakers, the same folks Bush is spying on now. And them damn transcendalists.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:06 pmGGG: Let’s add that conspiracy to commit treason is a slightly more serious thing to lie about than conspiracy to commit oral sex.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:06 pmSo true, Gary.
As opposed to an “issue of semantics” during the course of a depostion in a trumped up civil case.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmWhy would there be another attack on the United States. Bin Laden has accomplished his goals on 9/11 when the Bush cabal were all ignoring the many warnings. The United States is currently experiencing, probably beyond Bin Laden’s wildest expectations, the devastating effects of his strike, a decline in its economy(stagnant stock market,DOW down 213.32-NASDAQ down,1/20/06), Ford closing plants,cutting off suppliers,laying off 30,000 workers, GM approaching junk bond status, $2,000,000,000,000 estimate for debacle in Iraq, Osama still on the loose, $441,000,000,000 defense budget, the country divided into two angry factions, and the ship of state floundering in flotsam and jetsam. One could go on, but typing is not too good with arthritis.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pm#109
“Eisenhower got us embroiled in Viet Nam. Learn your history.”
Give us a break! If you want to go there the Truman help the French in 1950. Please learn your history.
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm
“In May 1950, President Harry S. Truman authorized a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam.”
BTW the reminds me Truman was president during the Korean War. Lots of casualties there.
“WWIII may have been prevented by President Clinton.”
LOL!! Liberal pipedreams in action.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pm#115
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm
“On August 17, the President testified for over four hours before Starr’s grand jury on closed-circuit television from the White House.”
Oh I get it, this just like that definition cover over what the definition of “is” is. LOL! You are absolutely hilarious!
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmSome More on China:
U.S. Department of the Interior
U.S. Geological Survey
News Release
January 23, 2006 Lucy McCartan 703-648-6905 lmccarta@usgs.gov
Value of Nation’s Mineral Production Still on the Rise in 2005
Editors: “Mineral Commodity Summaries 2006″ is available on the USGS Web site at http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/mcs/. Hardcopy will be available in March.
The value of U.S. non-fuel mine production rose last year to $51.6 billion – a 13 percent increase from 2004, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) announced today. Strong demand from China continued to drive up prices for metals and some industrial minerals, and led to increased production of some commodities, according to the annual USGS report “Mineral Commodity Summaries 2006,†which was released on the Internet today.
“The demand for metals and minerals from emerging industrial giants China and India continues to drive the world economy,” said USGS Acting Director Pat Leahy, whose agency is the sole federal government provider of scientific information and objective assessments on mineral resources, production, consumption, and environmental effects.
The estimated value of domestically processed non-fuel mineral materials totaled $478 billion in 2005. This is an increase of about 8 percent from the previous year. Mining of copper, iron ore, molybdenum, and aggregates (crushed stone and sand and gravel) increased, according to the report. Cement, pig iron, and steel manufacturing also increased. The 188% increase in the value of mined molybdenum significantly raised the ranking of several mining states. China’s increasing steel production provided strong demand for molybdenum. High molybdenum prices have encouraged higher output from molybdenum mines and the preferential mining of copper ores containing byproduct molybdenum.
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmMr Bahtlett did you kno that cheney spy on American that no terrorists no reason?
U.S. accused of spying on those who disagree with Bush policies
by William E. Gibson
January 23, 2006
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
While the White House defended domestic surveillance as a safeguard against terrorism, a Florida peace activist and several Democrats in Congress accused the Bush administration on Friday of spying on Americans who disagree with President Bush’s policies.
Richard Hersh, of Boca Raton, Fla., director of Truth Project Inc. of Palm Beach County, told an ad hoc panel of House Democrats that his group and others in South Florida have been infiltrated and spied upon despite having no connections to terrorists.
mr ho ask mr barterett
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmThis is completely out of topic, but Goddamn, throw away that awful tie, for fuck’s sake!
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:59 pm#112 Those are some wild assersions. You should probably brief the CIA. Can you back any of that up or do you just say whatever you wish were true?
How do you know what Osama is doing?
With no WMD, how could Sadam have hurt us?
Where is the base for Al Queda camps now if not Af.?
Who is in charge in Iraq?
Please answer.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmAnyone who spys on Quakers is paranoid.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmTracy = NeD
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm#110 to equate Dems with fascism is an oxymoron.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmOh, and that great economy during the Clinton years its called GOP leadership.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmThen why not let prolifers have a voice within? Why shout and denograte opposition? That Fascism and the dems in action.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pm“a decline in its economy”
What cause the drop in the Dow? Otherwise your amusing to say the least.
“One could go on, but typing is not too good with arthritis.”
You need to bite the bullet, bear the pain in order to search and read what the economic experts are saying about the current U.S. economy.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmEven Hillary is getting a taste of the parties fascist tendancies now and boy is it fun to watch you guys tear each other apart.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmTracy is NED? Figures. Not the sharpest tool in the draw.
Balkanization. They even coined a word for it. Clinton never perjured himself during testimony at a GJ. I made that clear. You “mispoke” or lied as they say.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pmOh, and that great economy during the Clinton years its called GOP leadership.
The same GOP leadership that put the economy into the toilet once they stole the White House? That GOP leadership?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm“In May 1950, President Harry S. Truman authorized a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam.â€
Was it as modest as Reagan’s support for Saddam and OBL and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan? You noob.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmBlackeye, we get your point. If it’s a positive the GOP is responsible, if it’s a negative the Democrats are responsible. Another conservatard idiotologist.
I think there is a simple explanation for the bizarre behavior of media types (and some Dems) since November 2004.
I just posted a column on it at my blog if you’d like to read and/or comment on it:
http://edwardcopeland.blogspot.com/2006/01/crazy-like-fox.html
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmcant argue intelligently Giddy? what has Tracy kicking your but become too difficult to handle?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmThank God, or whatever deity you worship that no Americans blame the Democrats for the Medicare prescription drug debacle and rip off. We’ll see in Nov. how it all stacks up. Until then, it’s all just talk but the amount of crap that comes out of the right wing suggests they are damn worried, and they should be. I can’t believe that Bush is using the SOTUS to push his private health accounts scam. What was Einstein’s definition of insanity again?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmHow could it be a great GOP economy when is was predicated on the Reagan stupidy known as the laffer curve and trickle down known as voodoo economics. Clinton raised taxes on the upper income levels and reduced the size of government, made defense spending more efficient thereby lowering the defense budget. I will admit that BushI raised taxes also before his vilification by the GOP which probably cost him reelection. It was “THE ECONOMY STUPID” that got the Democrats back in the White House. Clinton was devastated by the empty treasury he inherited and the deficits. The economy is again dismal under the GOP. It is an historical fact that the stock market does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. In 2000 Bush said as an oil man he could control oil prices better than anyone after Clinton allowed the price of a barrel of oil to reach the astonomical price of $20 a barrel. Now if anyone believes that the Bush administration has any idea on how to balance a budget, control deficits and wreckless spending needs to enroll in a class in high school economics.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmTHE BASIC LAWS OF HUMAN STUPIDITY
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmcant argue intelligently Giddy? what has Tracy kicking your but become too difficult to handle?
Comment by blackeye
Neither Tracy or you could find your own butts with both hands and a spelunking helmet, much less kick anyone else’s.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm#136 No that was called 9/11
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pmCorrection:
Make that a coal miner’s helmet.
Damn! Starting to lose “the Heartland” already! See you, briefly and for the last time in 2006, girls.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmWhat a brilliant arguement giddy. Did your Moma tell you to say that?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmI am bearing the pain of arthritis, but the pain America is suffering under this incompetent, inept and corrupt administration is more that one can bear. My wife is a DAR, Daughter of the American Revolution. There are other DARS–DUMB ASSED REPUBLICANS.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pm[in response to "The same GOP leadership that put the economy into the toilet once they stole the White House? That GOP leadership?"]
No that was called 9/11
Oooooookay, I’ll bite. Please explain how 9/11 is responsible for being in the toilet, particularly in light of the fact that the downward trend had already started before then.
Is 9/11 also responsible for tooth decay and ring around the collar?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmYes, I was inspired by The Museum of Modern Art to make that argument. Thank you for noticing, though I must admit I am at a loss for how one so stupid could recognize my inherent genius without help. Were you at the MOMA too?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:43 pm#127
“How do you know what Osama is doing?”
All the experts agree that he isn’t running Al Qaeda like he did before 9/11 if at all. They say that he is no longer in charge of international operations and that he is now just a mouth piece.
“With no WMD, how could Sadam have hurt us?”
He had no problem bribing the U.N. with no one noticing, so I am sure he could have sold terrorist organizations some WMDs considering he never accounted for all of the stockpiles being disposed of before the 2003 invasion.
“Where is the base for Al Queda camps now if not Af.?”
There aren’t any, which is one reason there hasn’t been any attacks on U.S. soil.
“Who is in charge in Iraq?”
The Iraqis.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmBasically ONE of the biggest scandal of bubba’s career was lying to a grand jury just like Libby did.
Actually, it was to congress over a non-criminal matter. Getting a blowjob from a weird chick is not against the law, the Grand Jury would not have any jurisdiction over it. And face it, it wasn’t that he lied it was that he got the blowjob.
Do you know what the Chinese trade deficit was as the beginning of 2000? Do you know that This reminds me that the biggest scandal of the Clinton administration was theft of nuclear information by Chinese spys and donations the the DNC by Chineses agents.
In 2002 it increased to a record 103 billion. so I am guessing less then that. The overall position with the world was in Surplus.
Unemployment is a 5% and is on very solid footing according to the econmonic experts.
Except when one considers quality of jobs, that the wages of employees have not kept pace with inflation and that there is this big old debt Bush is running up with all of those wars. Further, like the year before the Great Depression, personal indebtedness is on the rise. Unlike with the GD, if another one hits there isn’t the money to deal with it.
The next bit is getting a point by point arguement/
There hasn’t been a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.
True, however there were attacks on numerous American allies. Tony Blair, BTB showed how a real leader handles such a situation.
Saddam is no longer running Iraq and they now have a CHANCE to impliment some serious political reform.
Or a chance to form a Iran style theocracy which will support terrorism against the United States. That isn’t to even begin to mention how the place is turning into a terrorist breeding grounds, and a constant drain on US resources.
Afghanistan is no longer that base of operations for al Qaeda training camps.
The War in Afghnistan is still ongoing, and the Taliban are at this point winning. Further, changing from a terror training grounds to a major herion supplying nation does not constitute a major benefit.
Bin Laden is no longer running al Qaeda.
Has anyone caught him yet? How do you know what he is or isn’t running if you don’t know where he is? And if he isn’t in control, then how does he get to offer a truce to anyone, much less the US? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/ Maybe someone should tell Bin Laden he isn’t in charge anymore you think?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:12 pm#135
“Clinton never perjured himself during testimony at a GJ. I made that clear”
That’s a lie.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:19 pm“Was it as modest as Reagan’s support for Saddam and OBL and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan? You noob.”
Oh, so now that amount of support make a difference. LOL! This is comical history on your part!
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pm#151
“And face it, it wasn’t that he lied it was that he got the blowjob.”
I wouldn’t have mattered if he did her on the desk…it WAS about the fact that he lied and not just to a GJ but to the American people on national TV.
“Except when one considers quality of jobs, that the wages of employees have not kept pace with inflation and that there is this big old debt Bush is running up with all of those wars.”
Which is another reaon that Clinton didn’t want to deal with terrorism and bin Laden that much. He we more interested in riding the economy on the backs of the American people for all it was worth…just like his interns and didn’t want to upset the flow of the gravy train.
“Or a chance to form a Iran style theocracy which will support terrorism against the United States.”
With NO support from you or the left it’s amazing that the Iraqi’s have been able to accomplish what they have so far.
“The War in Afghnistan is still ongoing, and the Taliban are at this point winning.”
How do you figure? Last time I looked the Taliban wasn’t in charge of the government.
“And if he isn’t in control, then how does he get to offer a truce to anyone, much less the US?”
He could easily make a tape as he did and say anything he wanted. LOL! Getting it out wouldn’t be a problem either considering the support he has from the tribal leaders of that area on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
“Maybe someone should tell Bin Laden he isn’t in charge anymore you think?”
It’s all “more of the same” propaganda by bin Laden and the world knows it!
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:42 pmIt wouldbe hard to prove that any president has lied more than GWB – and about more important matters than sex.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmThere aren’t any, which is one reason there hasn’t been any attacks on U.S. soil.
Comment by Tracy #150
T’rashy,
Regurgitating Bushiva’s and L’il dick’s lies aren’t proof positive that America hasn’t been attacked on American soil because Al Qaeda can’t carry out those attacks, because “we’re fightin’ ‘e over there t’ keep from fightin’ ‘em over here” as a demonic madman keeps saying!
Reports show that some terrorist training camps have been reconstituted in the “lawless” regions of Pakistan also known as the tribal lands (where U.S. troops aren’t allowed), and that there are Al Qaeda being trained in them…
But more importantly, IRAQ is the BEST training ground Al Qaeda and bin Laden could have hoped for…
This is a little off point as far as your idiotic post is concerned yet goes to the heart of recent right wing inbred talking points concerning aiding and abetting the enemy through dissention of Bushiva’s illegal, ill-advised, and ill-fated foreign policy blunders…
YOUR support for Bushiva’s illegal invasion of Iraq, effectively setting up the “mother” of all terrorist training camps make YOU right wing Bushites the ultimate aiders and abettors of terrorism…
“They hate our way of life. They hate our freedom…” GWB
Your carte blanche support for the illegal warrantless wiretapping, erosion of civil liberties and usurpation of the Constitution by the criminal Bushite regime- means that bin Laden is winning- and make YOU inbred, Bushite worshipping bal*lickers the ultimate aiders and abettors of America’s enemies…
You right wing inbreds can insinuate that by Osama bin Laden parroting “rhetoric” Dems/Progressives use to dissent that we are “rhetorically” aiding and abetting the enemy all you want, but the tangible evidence/results point to YOUR support for Bushiva’s incompetent foreign policy and overall “leadership” as hands down MORE realistically aiding and abetting the enemy in again very tangible ways…
Look at the poppies from Afghanistan and the increased proliferation of the heroin trade since YOUR gods invaded and all but abandoned Afghanistan… The Taliban regime had all but eradicated it…
Osama and terrorists- according to propaganda promoted by your criminal gods- benefit from the drug trade, do they not?
YOU right wing, faux conservative, facist, loyalist Bushites are in TRUTH the undisputed aiders and abettors of America’s terrorist enemies…
So T’rashy, you’re not only a Bushba*licking, Kool aid drinking, inbred, but an idiot Bushite “parrot” as well…
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:26 pmDo you know what the Chinese trade deficit was as the beginning of 2000? Do you know that This reminds me that the biggest scandal of the Clinton administration was theft of nuclear information by Chinese spys and donations the the DNC by Chineses agents.
Comment by Tracy #112
T’rashy,
…Then why the he*l didn’t the “REPUBLISCUM” congress impeach him for this much more serious crime you allege, instead of the much more innocuous charge of “perjury” about a consensual sexual assignation?
Was it because the Republiscum congress was all wrapped up in the payoffs too?
YOU’RE a TIRED, dumb, Bushscumsucking beeotch…
YOU can’t handle the truth!
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pm“Who is in charge in Iraq?â€
The Iraqis.
Comment by Tracy #150
(Buzzer sounds)
Wrong again T’rashy,
Try again…
Iran…
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:37 pmBlackeye–Bill Clinton’s administration achieved a level of prosperity during the nineties singularly noteworthy in the history of this country.
The stock market was approaching the heralded 12,000 level, 23 million jobs created, US respected around the globe, current accounts deficits inherited from previous incumbents turned into substantial surpluses, reduced government spending, lowered trade imbalances, and consumer confidence at an all time high.
Comment by Nova16 #94
Nova,
Where do you suppose that blackeyed b’laggart, and his fello Bushitebuttsucking who*e T’rashy were during those “Golden Years”?
…in a cave?
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:45 pmhey, papa, yeow!
aphro #82 needs your help over at the Bartlett thread…
tho rudgrl did a fine job for starters…
you should enjoy that one…
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:54 pmBig Papa.
From the Lay of Hortatius by Thomas Babbington Mcaulay:
XXXII
Then none was for a party;
Then all were for the state;
Then the great man helped the poor,
And the poor man loved the great:
Then lands were fairly portioned;
Then spoils were fairly sold:
The Romans were like brothers
In the brave days of old.
XXXIII
Now Roman is to Roman
More hateful than a foe,
And the Tribunes beard the high,
And the Fathers grind the low.
As we wax hot in faction,
In battle we wax cold:
Wherefore men fight not as they fought
In the brave days of old.
I figure that says it about best.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:02 pmRyANNe = G. Gordon & Fat Papa
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 pmI figure that says it about best.
Comment by Bruce Gorton #161
Yo Bruce,
Deep…
Funny how history repeats itself…
Can we save “Rome”…before “Nero” plays that awful song again?
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:51 pmRyANNe = G. Gordon & Fat Papa
Comment by mighty aphrodite #162
hahahahahahahaha!!!!
I really dig that Fat Papa though…
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:52 pmPatrick J. Buchanan is a great patriot, a great American, who has the courage of his convictions and is not afraid to stand up for the powers that be. He is also a historian, one of the brightest minds out there, and will one day, for better or worse, be recognized for the prophet he was. How the hell can you criticize a man for being loyal to his family, friends, faith and country! Go Pat!
January 24th, 2006 at 9:24 am“Patrick J. Buchanan is a great patriot, a great American, who has the courage of his convictions and is not afraid to stand up for the powers that be. He is also a historian, one of the brightest minds out there, and will one day, for better or worse, be recognized for the prophet he was. How the hell can you criticize a man for being loyal to his family, friends, faith and country! Go Pat!
Comment by Mary — January 24, 2006 @ 9:24 a”
Huh? Mary, if you bother to read the article it is critical of his comparing Bill Clinton to Bin Laden. His family so far as I am aware has not been mentioned, nor his friends nor his faith. Try again.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:21 am#150 What experts, please link.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:23 am#150 Sadam had no WMD and couldn’t get any. How could he have hurt us? When you say you are sure, how are you sure?
There are no more Al Queda camps? You don’t believe that.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:26 am#150 Osama is just a mouthpiece? You trust your children’s safety on that?
Iraquis rule Iraq? You know better. We are in charge of Iraq. And when we leave – no one knows. There will probably, the experts say, be civil war.
You don’t sound very bright and awfully blind in your trust of a man with a low IQ and no foreign respect. Sad.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:44 am“Where is the base for Al Queda camps now if not Af.?â€
There aren’t any, which is one reason there hasn’t been any attacks on U.S. soil.
Comment by Tracy #150
T’rashy,
I’d like to refer your warped, dum a*s to an article in the venerable NYT from two days ago (Jan 22nd) entitled “Pakistan’s Push in Border Areas Is Said to Falter”…
After you’ve had someone read it to you and you’ve properly interpreted it’s contents, kiss both sides of whomever’s a*s it was you posted that sh*t above to…
January 24th, 2006 at 12:28 pmPatrick J. Buchanan is a great patriot, a great American, who has the courage of his convictions and is not afraid to stand up for the powers that be. He is also a historian, one of the brightest minds out there, and will one day, for better or worse, be recognized for the prophet he was. How the hell can you criticize a man for being loyal to his family, friends, faith and country! Go Pat!
Comment by Mary #166
Maryjane smoker,
Pat Buchanan is a loyal bushite flip-flopper who disagreed with the war until he supported it…
For Bushiva’s sake of course…
Take it easy on that sh*t you’re smoking…
Take TWO douches and write us in the morning…
Don’t forget to brush either, you’ve got Pat’scum dripping from your double-chin…
January 24th, 2006 at 12:37 pm
Where’s that Trashy (Tracy) Brokeback Bushite who*e?
Hope you saw the ABC Evening News report about the Taliban’s takeover of parts of Pakistan’s tribal areas…
Hell they showed a Taliban (Al Qaida) commander giving a friggin POWER POINT presentation showing their attack on a government bldg. in Afghanistan…
What’s that Trashy?
Oh, I thought I heard you say something Bushba*lickinscumeatinbeeotch!
Trashy Tracy where are you?
January 24th, 2006 at 6:40 pm#159 The Clinton economy was mostly a result of the movement of investment from pensions to the stock market which then had capital to invest to create jobs. Those who hold the jobs are taxed which filled the coffers of DC. In addition the congress at the time balanced the budget. Much of the alleged surplus at the end of the Clinton/Gore was fuzzy math. The facts show that President Bush inherited a recession.
Eventually over inventory caused a slowdown and things had began to come back when 9/11 hit and insecurity threw the stock market into panic.
I was not in a cave but you certainly were.
January 25th, 2006 at 7:19 amI did not even get into the tech bubble.
January 25th, 2006 at 7:26 amor the initial effects of globalization and Free Trade.
January 25th, 2006 at 7:34 amor tax increases.
January 25th, 2006 at 7:47 am#156
You aren’t worth talking to but I am sure bin Laden and the Taliban appreciate your support for them and the wanton failure of the U.S. to defeat them.
January 25th, 2006 at 10:48 am#172
Again, you aren’t worth my time.
January 25th, 2006 at 10:51 am#158
Proof?
January 25th, 2006 at 10:52 am#167
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
January 25th, 2006 at 11:14 am#168
“There are no more Al Queda camps? You don’t believe that.”
Oh there might be some VERY small camps here and there scattered around the world, but the large camps that were in Afghanistan are gone.
January 25th, 2006 at 11:16 am#170
“…the venerable NYT…”
LOL! Not reliable in the least!
But if I must…
From the article:
“Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, chief spokesman for the Pakistani military, said the accounts of the size of the militants’ forces were exaggerated. He put the number of foreign militants in the whole of the tribal areas at “100, plus or minus.”
“But for the past four years, after members of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and foreign allies were driven out of Afghanistan, they have lived in the area and gradually taken greater control.”
There is nothing in the article about new al Qaeda training camps and reiterates again that the militants have moved into Pakistan because American forces are not allowed to cross the border which means they got their asses kicked in Afghanistan. You’re analysis of the situation in Afghanistan and the terrorist training camp situation is pathetic.
January 25th, 2006 at 11:43 am