College Sophomore Stumps President Bush
College Sophomore Stumps President Bush
Bush was stumped during the Q&A session of his speech today by a sophomore at Kansas State:
Q: My name is Tiffany Cooper. I’m a sophomore here at Kansas State and I was just wanting to get your comments about education. Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
[snip]
Bush: Actually, I think what we did was reform the student loan program. We are not cutting money out of it.
Tiffany clearly confused Bush. Not only did he have to turn to his aide for advice, but he confused truthiness with the truth. The facts:
Student Loans: On Dec. 21, 2005, the Senate passed $12.7 billion in cuts to education programs — “the largest cut in student college loan programs in history.” Vice President Cheney cast the deciding vote in favor of the cuts. The bill also fixed the interest rate on student loans at 6.8 percent, “even if commercial rates are lower.” Despite Bush’s claims, students will be left off the program.
Pell Grants: Pell Grants have been frozen or cut since 2002; they are now stuck at a maximum of $4,050. In his 2000 election campaign, President Bush promised to increase the maximum Pell Grant amount to $5,100. “From 2004 to 2005, 24,000 students lost their Pell grants, according to a report pre-pared by the Congressional Research Service. This was the first drop in the number of students receiving the grants in several years; the number had been growing steadily since 1999.â€
Full transcript below:
Q: My name is Tiffany Cooper. I’m a sophomore here at Kansas State and I was just wanting to get your comments about education. Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
Bush: Education budget was cut — say it again. What was cut?
Q: 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I’m wanting to know how is that supposed to help our futures?
Bush: At the federal level?
Q: Yes.
Bush: I don’t think we’ve actually — for higher education? Student loans?
Q: Yes, student loans.
Bush: Actually, I think what we did was reform the student loan program. We are not cutting money out of it. In other words, people aren’t going to be cut off the program. We’re just making sure it works better as part of the reconciliation package I think she’s talking about? Yeah — It is a form of the program to make sure it functions better. In other words, we’re not taking people off student loans. We’re saving money in the student loan program because it’s inefficient. So I think the thing to look at is whether or not there will be fewer people getting student loans. I don’t think so.
Secondly, on Pell Grants, we are actually expanding the number of Pell grants through our budget. Great question. The key on education is to make sure that we stay focused on how do we stay competitive into the 21st century, and I plan on doing some talking about math and science and engineering programs so that people who graduate out of college will have the skills necessary to compete in this competitive world. But I think i’m right on this. I will check when I get back to Washington, but thank you for your question.
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heckuva job Tiffany
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmUH ,uh, DOH!
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmGWB’s response….. doh!
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmDid Bush’s pants burst into flames.
Nice to see that the future of our country see Bush for what he really is.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmThat was funny. What a doofus. It’s not a lie if you believe it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmWell, that will put Tiffany on the “do not
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmallow to attend” list, won’t it?
She might get monitored by the NSA as well.
Maybe even an IRS audit?
The wingnuts will say:
“Why does Tiffany hate America so much?”
This will then justify the NSA spying on her.
I am mostly suprised that a question that was not pre-screened and asked by a Bush sychopant was even allowed through the bubble. Wonder who screwed up?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmTIffany on no-fly list now.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmYou all need to learn fuzzy math. When you cut funds for education, it improves the system, doncha know.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pmBased on this article,cutting college funding may not be all that bad, since they’re not learning a lot anyway.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmGeorge W. Bush is the wrong demon for the job…
The American dream is evaporating… the lifestyles of poor/middle working class citizens is disintegrating…
…and the Bushite as*holes on this board are defending the criminals responsible, solely because they mistakenly voted for them twice…
They are “suicide Bushites”, and the rest of us need to stop them…
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmHow is this man president? What a moron.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmHe compounded his poor showing by fillibustering/rambling on unintelligably.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmJanuary 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pm
In the MSM they are trumpeting the fact that Bushiva is attempting to “convince Americans” of the need to continue warrantless wiretapping…
What a fu*king joke…
America isn’t located in lily-White Manhattan, KS…
No wide shots of the audience were provided, and the WH “reporter” on CNN felt compelled to tell us that there were upwards of 9,000 people in attendance…
Can’t trust it!
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmRegarding the possible hole in their screening, I find the thunderous applause of the Kansas State audience following the question very telling. It almost seems as if they were waiting for some way they could voice their disapproval.
This is in contrast to what I heard this morning on NPR. Nixon also spoke at Kansas State during a war except Nixon got thunderous applause of approval.
Obviously the un-Christian liberals have got a hole of Kansas.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmOnce a greedy lying moron, always agreedy lying moron .
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmHow in hell did we end uo with this freak ?
Bush: Although funding is down by $12.7 B, more students will get Pell because we are limiting the amount of grants to $20.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmI wonder if we’ll see this on the news tonight?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmHow come CNN never showed the audience in attendance at Bush’s Orwellian campaign stump? How come none of the questioners were shown on CNN? Not even the face of the so-called Iraqi woman was shown, but she yelled praise for Bush? The whole event was staged by Karl Rove, but what is CNN’s excuse for being used as a patsy in broadcasting it?
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmOff topic: The WH has now decided that they want to reframe the illegal surveillance program as a “terrorist surveillance program”. Question: if true, why are we eavesdropping on terrorists instead of “putting them out of business”? I mean, if they are terrorists, why are we getting them? Some great slogans could come from this one.
Republicans: Eavesdropping on terrorists, whether they like it or not.
The Republican party. You bomb our country, and we’ll listen to your phone calls. It’s as simple as that.
George Bush: Still hasn’t found Osama Bin Laden, but guess what? OBL doesn’t dare call America. Damn right.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm20 bucks that the Repubs bussed a couple thousand soldiers over from Fort Reilly to make this photo op look better.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pmMy 14 yr. cousin could stump bush. That’s why everything is heavily scripted. The guy’s an embarrasment.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pmOh well. Can’t beat em’ join em’!
::Crosses arms::: “I love big brother”
Yeah, interesting they never showed the audience, just big brother, and his sickening smiling smirking face. Oh yes, it’s all one big joke and he was havin one heckuva time there in kansas. I guess there’s alot to laugh about when we’re at war.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pmNo ignoramous. We on the right are able, unlike yourselves to have a good laugh now and then. And we dont expect our president to be a walking encyclopedia. He is allowed to have a brain fart. We laugh at Kennedy all the time as a matter of fact.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pmBush in a wingnutshell.
More dangerous than a bandit or OBL.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmTiffany for secretary of education! No! Tiffany for president!
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pmForest Gump is smarter than Bush
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pmHe’s an embarassment to the human race.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pm“Tiffany, the last loose cannon that got into one of my speaches had a great…uh….truely American idea. You can work three jobs while you are going to school. Truely American”-President Bush
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pm#25,
The guy is a brain fart, not just experiencing one occaisionally. That post will be shredded.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmI wouldn’t ride in a car with Tiffany for a while.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:50 pm.
“He is allowed to have a brain fart.”
I suppose so, if he had a brain to begin with. He rambled on and stuttered like a drunken slob.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmI can only imagine how ridiculous he looks to other leaders in the world. That whole speech about his daddy, Japan, and, oh his dog….. SO COMPELLING! ::eye roll::
blackeye, have a brain fart? Bush is a walking brain fart. If it’s not on a teleprompter, he’s lost.
Also, as regards to the president being a “walking encyclopedia”, you’re damn right I expect him to be knowledgable and at least to know what’s going on with his own education policies. His job requires it. I don’t think that’s too much to ask since he’s - you know - the President.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmPost 25 > I do not think Bush has a brain > PERIOD.
It was the most strange speech he ever gave! Claimed he was bringing PEACE to the entire world as he wages WAR! George Orwell, if still alive, would fall over dead after hearing Bush’s “Big Brother” performance!
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmMan they need to find people that aren’t so lame when hiring Right wing talking heads to post here.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmGeorge Orwell, if still alive, would fall over dead after hearing Bush’s “Big Brother†performance!
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Indeed. Just seeing his head on the screen and nothing else was scaring my 3 year old. She kept crying…”No! No!”
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:55 pmMy husband had to take a mini movie of it because it was too funny.
Bush truly is an inept, dumb*ss.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:55 pmAnd we dont expect our president to be a walking encyclopedia. He is allowed to have a brain fart. We laugh at Kennedy all the time as a matter of fact.
Comment by blackeye — January 23, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
Do I need to say this? Nobody expects Pres Bush to be a walking encyclopaedia -he is expected to do his homework.
He should have expected questions regarding his administration’s policy on education, budget, grants, loans, etc. Even if he didn’t have the exact figure in mind, he should have known that cuts have been made to educational programs at the federal level.
The fact that he was stumped and fumbled for an answer is very revealing.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmRemember, “strategery”, that was a good one too.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:57 pmGood Morning America, how are ya,? For your viewing pleasure today we have a future Presidental candidate with a higher IQ than any of our present administration. Yes folks, we are here in Kansas and the young person is Tiffany Cooper, let’s hear a big bravo for the Cooper family. Thank’s Tiffany for having the moxi to ask the bully the good question. For all my blogger friends, stand up with me, get tough, get mad and get this bunch of liers and thieves out of our government and behind bars. You can change channels now….Blessings
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:57 pmThere are no preperations for questions like that, this administration is so arrogant, they think people are just going to be starstruck that the President is even there.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmAlso I do not think Bush is aware that Alfred Landon, whose name was plastered behind him, was a personal friend of Adolf Hitler and even received funding for his presidential campaign against President Roosevelt from the Nazi Party! Karl Rove is so fascistic he did not realize that he had Bush stumping for Landon the dead Nazi lover > lol.
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:59 pmA chair could stump George Bush…
Guess that’s the last time he’ll take questions from anyone over the age of 12, who isn’t a sworn neocon.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pmWhat a fu*king joke…
America isn’t located in lily-White Manhattan, KS…
No wide shots of the audience were provided, and the WH “reporter†on CNN felt compelled to tell us that there were upwards of 9,000 people in attendance…
Can’t trust it!
Comment by big papa
“Lily White”? That sounds rather like hate speech to me. I’m learning about that hate speech thing you know.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pmAnd we dont expect our president to be a walking encyclopedia. He is allowed to have a brain fart. We laugh at Kennedy all the time as a matter of fact.
Comment by blackeye
Yes. We want an ignorant dumbass just like you in the WH! Someone that will make you feel special and smart!
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmMore to the point, not only is he inept, but he does not appear to know what is going on in his own government. Given that Cheney had to cast the deciding vote, you would think he would brief Bush on screwing college students across the country.
One thing to consider, it’s not just student loans were cut but also other items related to education. So much for the No Child Left Behind Act.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pm45,
Nice attempt to derail the talking point, you must hate America.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmLily white Manhattan?
You ain’t never been to Manhattan. “Lily White” is the heartland, baby.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:04 pmYes post 37 > it was a “Big Brother” diatribe with nobody else shown on TV but Bush’s upper body and bobbing head!
I do NOT understand why the CNN broadcast camera never moved and was locked onto him > either the camera guy worked for Rove or he was knocked out?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pm45,
Nice attempt to derail the talking point, you must hate America.
Comment by For Truth
Hey! That’s their job. It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it. Jeff Gannon does it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmIf Bush didn’t lie and twist the truth constantly, I’d be inclined to cut him a break on missing a fact here or there. But he says what he wants whether he knows the facts or not — so knowing or not knowing makes no difference.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmI find the question she asked disturbing. It smacks of entitlement: “the government owes me college funding, how dare you take even a little of this away?” This is what happens when we set the expectation that the government is here to take care of us.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmOnce a greedy lying moron, always agreedy lying moron .
How in hell did we end uo with this freak ?
Comment by hardass — January 23, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
How? Our education system… it’s why he doesn’t want to improve it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmAmerica isn’t located in lily-White Manhattan, KS…
Oh! My bad! That is Lillywhite.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:08 pm#13 ..so funny… you they can start calling bush-speak “fillibustering”!!! haha
But seriously who needs college when you got Intelligent Design! God can make us all geniouses for free… we just need to go to church every sunday and give 5% of our pay checkes as tithes.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 pmI find the question she asked disturbing. It smacks of entitlement: “the government owes me college funding, how dare you take even a little of this away?†This is what happens when we set the expectation that the government is here to take care of us.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
You are absolutely right! That’s why we don’t care for you! It’s those damn entitlements! Like life, liberty, privacy and the pursuit of happiness. No wonder the GOP is opposed to them. For all of you who used to defend this guy, now you see exactly where he is coming from. Screw him, he’s a useless tool. There is your personal attack. Now you may join the ranks of the rest of the useless trolls. Pardon us for thinking that education is important. It doesn’t benefit everyone, as you so aptly demonstrate, but I’m still in favor of it and think it should be subsidized, rather than corporations.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 pmCC given that a person with a college degree will earn more money over thier lifetime, thus paying higher taxes, buying homes, and cause little or no crime. Wouldn’t it be better to support education?
I don’t have exact statistics on it, but in my opinion, poverty causes crime. If a few more of my tax dollars were spent to help a student earn a degree, thus reducing poverty, making a tax paying good citizen, I really don’t have a problem with the “entitlement” you claim. Besides on a secondary note Bush already said he would raise the amount of money spent on education. Remember “No Child Left Behind”.
Study after study suggests that higher education and reduction of poverty makes us a better country. I am unsure why you would not support that.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:14 pm#53
You allow wiretapping, wars, and lies all in the name of the Government taking care of your safety, don’t you? Don’t you drive on freeways, expect law enforcement to protect you, vote for people to represent your views? You sound like a snothead thats been taken care of by your rich daddy.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:15 pm“I will check when I get back to Washington, but thank you for your question.”
He’s not checking jack-shit when he gets back to Washington. I’m so embarassed.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmNow wasn’t that progress? We are all a lttle retarded just being on this site.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmThis is what happens when we set the expectation that the government is here to take care of us.
Moron. What would you call defense? go away you fvcking moronic conservatard idiotologists. Is there no one who can rid us of these medddlesome idiotic high and low priests of the invisible hand of the church of the free market bullshit.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pm#53,
Yeah, those damn sponges, they think they are entitled to the truth.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:18 pmI find the question she asked disturbing. It smacks of entitlement: “the government owes me college funding, how dare you take even a little of this away?”
Comment by Concerned Conservative — January 23, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
It is a legitimate question and it does not smack of anything but honest concern.
A budget is set to help students pay for their education. It is not entitlement, it’s what a government does: Help its citizenry.
That you characterise a budget cut that happens to be the largest in history as taking a “little away” is jaw-dropping.
This is what happens when we set the expectation that the government is here to take care of us.
I hope you apply the same logic to the “war on terror”. No need for the government to take care of us, no need for secret eavesdropping, no need to chase “terrorists” half way around the globe -right?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:19 pm#53,
Go back to Sister Toldja, and learn some better noise.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmSay, Unbelievable, I haven,t seen Debtonator comment in a while. Is he ok?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmCNN never panned to anyone asking a question, so how do we know there was a Iraqi woman there? Maybe it was Condi Rice with a head scarf playacting an Iraqi? We do not know how many people were in attendance? 50, 500, or 5000? We do not know if they were bussed in from Idaho, from some skinhead group, or some Republican Mormons from Utah? Why was Alfred Landon’s name plastered in different sizes behind the president? Was that a message to his fascist followers that he is Landon’s successor in DC? The whole speech was strange!!!
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmNow wasn’t that progress? We are all a lttle retarded just being on this site.
Comment by blackeye
You were born that way. Take it up with yer Mom, she might know who yer Dad was.
The thing about concerned conservative is that he has politicized his anal retentiveness. It’s a riot, really. Anal retentives are funny, but they can be a real pain in the ass.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmI. Hate. This. President.
That budget cutting student loans was debated for weeks, and Cheney had to break the tie in the Senate for it to pass! If Bush isn’t capable of being aware of the provisions in that budget, then he’s not capable of learning basic high school courses.
And as for “smack[ing] of entitlement” when a college student asks about the cuts in federal student loans: you’ve gotta be kidding me. The student is required to pay it back, with interest. It’s not free money. And if he claims to support higher education, then he will support giving the students loans to help them through college. After all, his administration is okay with giving more and more tax cuts to very wealthy people who do not need any more money. Why not give loans to students? It’s not that much to ask.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmI find the question she asked disturbing. It smacks of entitlement
Actually, public investment in education has a high rate of return to the country at large, in terms of taxes paid, innovation, productivity, job creation, etc. One can actually make the case for educational funding being a matter of national economic security. The educational system is screwed up to be sure, but it still is better than the alternative.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 pmAs the Untied States of American under Bush makes eduction more difficult, nations like India and China are pouring out educated, doctors and scholars by the boat load.
Look on the bright side, as America sinks into a third world funk we will be entertained by all of the musicians, Nascar drivers, beer drinkers, mega-church goers, Winston smokers,plastic surgeons and reality show contestants.
Good time to be an American, this must be what Nicaragua was like in the Somoza days.
-GSD
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 pm‘No Child Left Behind’ is affectionately refered to as ‘All Children Left Behind’ by teachers with good reason…
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January 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmThere seems to be some confusion in the Democratic Party.
They oppose spending cuts for education, but at the same time they support taking discounted college educations away from U.S. citizens and giving them to citizens of other countries who are here illegally. (The DREAM Act, various state laws including one that was voted down recently in Mass.)
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmOh yeah, and only the children of rich people should be educated.
-GSD
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmSay, Unbelievable, I haven,t seen Debtonator comment in a while. Is he ok?
Comment by Flashback — January 23, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
I did recently - just a couple posts in a forum. Maybe he and Susan are busy with their documentary?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmFact: The federal education budget has gone UP dramatically in the last five years.
But you liberals have been screaming about violations of the Constitution - there’s no constitutional authority for the federal government to pay for education at all. Hypocrites.
Now let’s see how long it takes Judd to delete this dissenting opinion…
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmAre there any Right Wingers who can see all the idiotic Bushisms, his complete lack of being able to even answer a question, let alone read a speech wich has words of more than 3 syllables? This is not an attack on your decision to vote for him, just wondering if you can see how stupid this guy is?
Oh I guess not, I have read the Right Wing blogs, not much intelligence going on there. It’s amusing when Right Wingers think they can take a stab at this blog. Very few do so.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pm#53..its called team work. Something you learn in the U.S. Marines. We are on the same team so I EXPECT you will be there to help me help you.
Entitlement is the expectation that you can to break the law just because you are president and there is a semi-war going on.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmSo #53, only rich people can go to college? The only thing that reeks of entitlement is you.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmGeorge W. Bush=Upper Crust Affirmative Action in Action
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmWally,
You have been allowed back on, which means your posts are now welcome. But it makes sense you are paranoid, and expect to be treated unfairly, like your parents treated you.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmWallace you need to lay off the coffee.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pmFact: The federal education budget has gone UP dramatically in the last five years.
But you liberals have been screaming about violations of the Constitution - there’s no constitutional authority for the federal government to pay for education at all. Hypocrites.
Now let’s see how long it takes Judd to delete this dissenting opinion…
Comment by “wallace” — January 23, 2006
there’s no constitutional authority for the federal government to pay for education at all. Hypocrites.
There is no constitutional authority for the federal government to have an Air Force either, and you can’t become a fighter pilot without a college education, can you?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:29 pmSo wallace, how did you pay for college, if you went?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:29 pm“You sound like a snothead thats been taken care of by your rich daddy”
Not really For Truth — my Dad was a teacher.
#64 — Gregor, the role of our government as originally designed included defense but not federal money for education, welfare, etc. — these relatively recent enhancements.
I am not arguing against people getting a college education — even funding that with tax money to some degree. I’d just like the recipients to be a little more appreciative of what they are getting, you know?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:29 pmFor Truth — President Bush has an MBA from Harvard, and consistently beats Democrats in elections. We can see how stupid you are though.
Now let’s see if Judd deletes my insult or yours, which came first.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:29 pmHypocritical moron.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:29 pmoh, F U, “concerned” conservative…now you’ve got ME pissed off.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:30 pmboth my kids graduated high school with 3.9 gpa, but needed financial aid to get to college, a state college, mind you…
some of that aid was pell grants, a little scholarship money, but MOST is student LOANS.
you’re damn right, they are ENTITLED to get financial help…however possible - no thanks to your ilk.
Yesterday Judd said that wallace is permanently banned and to help him out we should ignore wallace (and his pseudonyms) in order to help TP regulate his posts…
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmOK, so you shattered the Nixon record for presidential prevarication… do you
a) take it easy for the rest fot he season.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmb) share the glory with your teammates and let them score some lies
c) never let up. put your record out of reach so it stands the test of time.
What if we find out later she had a Bush Sucks Tatoo on her ass?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pm“[. . .] the government owes me [a tax cut], how dare you take even a little of this away?†This is what happens when we set the expectation that the government is here to take care of us.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — January 23, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Isn’t that what you really meant?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmGordon — “There is no constitutional authority for the federal government to have an Air Force either”
Uh, there is specific authorization for the armed forces in the Constitution. Have you ever read the document?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmI am not arguing against people getting a college education — even funding that with tax money to some degree. I’d just like the recipients to be a little more appreciative of what they are getting, you know?
Comment by Concerned Conservative
So you’d like them to bow and scrape, like in front of King George? You are a “useful tool”, aren’t you?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmHere is a Stupid Question of the Day from msm for ya:
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January 23rd, 2006 at 5:34 pm“Yesterday Judd said that wallace is permanently banned and to help him out we should ignore wallace (and his pseudonyms) in order to help TP regulate his posts…”
Spoken like the good sniveling little brownshirt we know unbelievable to be.
katy, you are not entitled to a dime of your neighbor’s earnings.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:34 pmUh, there is specific authorization for the armed forces in the Constitution. Have you ever read the document?
Comment by “wallace
Obviously you haven’t. It specifically enumerates an Army and a Navy. That’s why the original “air force” was part of the army, dumbass. The army air force.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmSocio-economic is one of the last bastions of unadulterated discrimination left in our country. Not that the others don’t linger, it’s just that they are illegal. Discrimination based upon socio-economic status is still very legal. And it’s still very rampant. Case in point.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pm#86, enhancements is the correct term. Bush and the right would like to dismember our society into have and have nots, the rich privledged few and the serfs for the 21st century. Cutting medicare, privatizing social security, health care crisis, education cuts. He’s doing a bang up job so far. But it’s easy to screw with social programs when you’ve been silver-spoon fed your whole life.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmWhich is another reason why you “originalists” are just so full of shit. You are throwbacks to two centuries ago now. The sooner you all die off, the better off the world will be.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmThe question asked by the student was a distraction, because the whole speech was out of Orwell’s “1984″
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmbook about “Big Brother”! While everyone is debating or attacking the student, Bush gets away with slandering the entire nation, and calling himself a peacemaker, which is bullcrap! If this was a preview of his State of the Union address, then I want a ticket to Switzerland, before this man starts WWIII?!
So wallace, again - how did you pay for college?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmHooligan?
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmGordon — If you’d like to quibble about the difference between “army” and “armed forces” that’s your business.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pm“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be…”
Thomas Jefferson
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 pmSo wallace, again - how did you pay for college?
Comment by morgan — January 23, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
You won’t get an answer. He’s still a high school student.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmWallace hasn’t been let back on. He should be gone for the time being, but will be back tommorow. The only way to enforce the ban is to ignore him. I ask for your cooperation in order so we can build a real community on this site.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmMorgan, I love your connection to the results currently upon us of the Bush-Cheney era, but it is not that they wish those things upon us, those things are the unsightly consequences that come with their actions. Just look at the way they have no problem exhausting massive amounts of real capital, real Military bodies and political party loyality. The VP paints himself as John adams part 2. Wait for the State of the Union address. I know it seems hard but , try to think like they do , or did 230 years ago, these guys are there right now.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmKaty, congrats on having smart kids. I think kids with that high a GPA should get more financial help. Let’s make it merit-based.
G. Gordon — you are putting words in my mouth. I said “show a little appreciation” and you changed it to “bow and scrape in front of King George”. Not an honest argument if you are changing the words of your opponent…
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pmWhat Thomas Jefferson would think of the psuedo-legal constitutional doctrine of the “originalists”. He would laugh at you like the rest of us.
I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmBack in October 1957, the USSR launched the first formal Earth satellite. By January of 1968, Explorer 1 was orbiting the Earth; I was shoved into courses in trig, advanced algebra, physics and astronomy. That was my sophomore year, second semester. As a senior (in high school), I took freshman courses at SMU. This was all financed by the Eisenhower administration which recognized that the need to jump start science programs in the United States was a national priority. Talk about trickle down economics - it did not run out of steam until 2001 with a slow down in the ’80s. While I benefited from this experience, I was also a jock on the HS basketball team.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmThat’s January 1958.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:53 pmG. Gordon — you are putting words in my mouth. I said “show a little appreciation†and you changed it to “bow and scrape in front of King Georgeâ€. Not an honest argument if you are changing the words of your opponent…
I wouldn’t get that close to you to put anything anywhere. You said what you said and I said what I said. You have a problem with how I characterize your position. I have a problem with your position. So do most people. Deal with it or go back to the nineteenth century where you are more in tune with the environment.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:53 pmI can deal with it G. Gordon — I just have to think back on how I reasoned with my kids when they were 8 years old.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:56 pmfly-man, it’s a case of their cake and eat it too. The neo-cons get their war (and the rich get richer from it), the resulting cost has to come from somewhere (the poor and the middle class). So they try to dismantle our at least modestly egalitarian society by destroying social programs claiming there’s no money. Basically they’re feeding the conservative beast the same crap that it’s shitting out.
It’s the crazy neo-con/fiscal conservative/christian right coalition that allows this. The fiscal types, while seething at the costs of the war and some govt growth, love the death of the social safety nets. The neo-cons get their war. The christian right gets their rhetoric and moronic proposals like a ban on gay marriage. The whole thing is one big crap factory. And, rightly, it makes me sick.
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmIf this was a preview of his State of the Union address, then I want a ticket to Switzerland, before this man starts WWIII?!
Comment by Jay Randal — January 23, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
Actually his SOTUS is all about selling his latest scam, the individual health accounts instead of employer provided health insurance, or what a majority of americans really want, single payer universal health insurance.
As far as WWIII is concerned, that began shortly after 9/11 and we are in one of the cold phases. It will last for decades.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:01 pmThe problem that is facing the nation is a matter of people who truly have experienced life and have the knowledge to make decisions off of their experiences and those who have not truly experienced life and have lived a sheltered life ( most likely because they have grown up with a wealthy family) From personal experience of my own and through dealing with one friend in particular, these people who are allowing criminals and hypocrytes take over our country do so because they are not truly living in the real world and as such they get bored and try and take control over the lives of the people who they have been force fed that they are superior to or they hate their lives so much because they arent as happy as people who arnt as rich as them and so in a bully mentality they have to try and make themselves look superior to the peons or poor people.
The economy as it is set up right now only works because we have people working like slaves and there are patches set up in the form of socialist balances. Without slavery or socialist balances the economy would become as bad as the depression. I dont think anything will happen to topple this regieme any time soon. I say this because until more than no people are hurt by this administration we wont see anyone take action.
also food for thought. if the republicans lie and dont go by the rules doesnt that negate the rules? or better yet doesnt that cause you to not be able to “win” when following the rules? as many republicans want to say to us “shut up” or keep quiet why dont we take heed of their request and instead of talking take action?
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:01 pmI can deal with it G. Gordon — I just have to think back on how I reasoned with my kids when they were 8 years old.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
You think back to the nineteenth century for all I care. That should be a snap for you. Almost normal.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pm#110, CC - “I think kids with that high a GPA should get more financial help. Let’s make it merit-based.”
well, that’s mighty white of you…thanks…
i happen to think that ANY kid who wants to go to college should be able to get the help needed to get there…NEED-based…each school’s requirements will determine who goes to what school…but ANYONE who wants to get a better education should be able to do just that - FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pm#22 — About 1,000 soldiers were brought in from Ft. Bragg to attend the speech.
#47 — Not only did Cheney cast the deciding vote, he cut short his international trip to do so and proudly told the news media that was why he was returning to Washington earlier than planned. That’s right — Bush doesn’t read.
#60 — Much like Scott McClellan checked on the Abramoff meetings and got back to the press about them. If Tiffany can ask Bush again in the future — and name specific people who were turned down for Pell Grants who would have received them prior to Cheney’s vote — then Bush may answer. Otherwise, he’s “not going to engage in speculation.”
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmPaying for education is assinine - we are the richest country in the world. College should be free.
We just have to stop spending $380 billion on defense (second place country only spends $52 million), billions on pork and other bridges to nowhere, and repeal corporate welfare.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:07 pmMorgan, just start putting names to your Neocons and the world gets so small so fast, as you already have eluded to. Share as many details as possible with links, then print them, and hold them as gold. This is the D”vinci codes but with Tivo.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:08 pmThanks for your time.
No he hasn’t and no they aren’t.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:09 pmIsn’t it obvious? Nobody except the rich should get an education. In fact, let’s start with Kindergarten. How about a $3,500 tuition for the 5-year-olds? You know, get them to learn personal responsiblity.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:12 pmIf you don’t have enough money for college, you are definately a good-for-nothing loser.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:14 pmI’ve relied on Pell Grants as well as state grants and student loans to pull me through college. With this administration, it’s “every student must sacrifice .”
I like this Tiffany. You think we should lower the age limit for the Presidency and let her run?
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmQ: “Hi, I’m wised up from think progress and sir…YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE!!!!”
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmPaying for education is assinine - we are the richest country in the world. College should be free.
Then we’d be just like Cuba, where the illiteracy rate is just .02% instead of about 30% like here and no Republican could ever get elected. We can’t have that!
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:26 pmCubans also get free medical care, like most of the other industrialized nations on the planet. Shocking!
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:27 pmThis picture says it all:
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pmGregor, the role of our government as originally designed included defense but not federal money for education, welfare, etc. — these relatively recent enhancements.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — January 23, 2006 @ 5:29 pm
First, thanks for posting an honest opinion and not going off-topic on a long rant & hysterical attack on liberals as the boogeyman.
Regarding your post: Arguing “this is not what the government was originally designed for” is not really a strong position to take.
The government, its functions, and role have changed as has US society. A government -any democratic government- should be the reflection of the wishes of its people. Since the US gained its independence, the idiosyncrasy of the American people has changed and so -as a natural consequence- should the government. Contending otherwise smacks of ideology overtaking (what should be) a representative democracy.
You intuitively already know this since you called the changes “enhancements”.
To really take the government back to what it was “originally designed for” you would need to take away women’s right to vote, for starters. Let’s remember that a constitutional amendment had to be introduced in order to grant women their right to suffrage.
Is that what you are advocating?
I am not arguing against people getting a college education — even funding that with tax money to some degree. I’d just like the recipients to be a little more appreciative of what they are getting, you know?
I think the young woman is appreciative -but she is also concerned. Rightly so. Aren’t you? Again, this is the largest budget cut to the education budget in history. How are you going to pay for your college education? Or your kids’?
She is holding this administration accountable for their actions. Why don’t you? The US is (supposed to be) a democracy. Citizens are allowed -no, expected- to ask questions. Why don’t you?
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmShe is holding this administration accountable for their actions. Why don’t you? The US is (supposed to be) a democracy. Citizens are allowed -no, expected- to ask questions. Why don’t you?
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Simple. That is exactly what these regressive radical conservatards want. They want to go back to the way things were. You are not talking to reasonable, rational people. Think of biblical literalists and substitute the constitution. Sure, they may have fooled themselves, and others, into believing they are not sexist and racist pigs, but they are.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:46 pmIf they think the Department of Education is a disaster then let them fund it thru Disaster Relief.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pm#87,
I have a Master’s degree also, and you clearly think I am stupid.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:51 pmJudd,
Anyone who is banned can just use another IP address and get through, or is that too simplistic?
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:52 pmThen we’d be just like Cuba, where the illiteracy rate is just .02% instead of about 30% like here and no Republican could ever get elected. We can’t have that!
Comment by G.Gordon Giddy — January 23, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
What was I thinking? I mean, I guess I had a moment of insanity there. Seeing as how educated people in Prague managed to evict the Soviet Union from their city without anything but their minds! Beeter to fight ‘em with gun powder even when they were no where near our cities… Thanks for correcting me Gordon. I’ll try to learn from my mistake - no wait - I think I’m supposed to keep repeating it while expecting different results… :)
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:56 pmGregor,
You may find this of interest. It was in the conservative American Spectator. It’s not specifically about the fallacy of constitutional originalism, but more about Libertarianism. These two “pseudo-philosophies” are often confused and conflated along with Ayn Rand’s objectivism, another pseudo-philosophy from a third rate romance novelist.
The Marxism of the Right
The Constitution, Laws and Libertarianism
A good essay on original intent and the constitution.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:58 pmFor Truth,
wwallace aka USA Patriot aka NoCensorship aka who aka why has admitted he is not old enough to qualify for military service.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into his assessment of your -or anyone else’s- intelligence and accomplishments.
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:58 pmCubans also get free medical care, like most of the other industrialized nations on the planet. Shocking!
Comment by G.Gordon Giddy — January 23, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Just don’t say “National Healthcare” all in one sentance, or NSA tags your posts and send the CIA…. Wait a minute, there’s a knock at my door… Who? What? Uh-oh…
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:00 pmJudd,
Anyone who is banned can just use another IP address and get through, or is that too simplistic?
Comment by For Truth
IPs are static (fixed) with cable, or dynamic (changing or randomly assigned) as with dial-up and most DSL. But essentially yes, if he switches to Netzero, from some other cheap dial-up, or knows how to spoof IPs, he’s back.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:00 pm“Lily White� That sounds rather like hate speech to me. I’m learning about that hate speech thing you know.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #45
Did you see that audience?
Except for that lone Iraqi plant (the woman who begged us “(not to) question this administration’s decisions to invade Iraq”…
…they were all related…
But I could never hate you IRI, what cat could hate his litter box?
Stick around now, don’t go getting booted for being yourself…
…be human…
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:02 pmCubans also get free medical care, like most of the other industrialized nations on the planet. Shocking!
Comment by G.Gordon Giddy — January 23, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Just don’t say “National Healthcare†all in one sentance, or NSA tags your posts and send the CIA…. Wait a minute, there’s a knock at my door… Who? What? Uh-oh…
Comment by unbelievable
It’s nationalized in ever major industrial democracy but one. Can you guess which one?
Mexico. No wonder they come here in droves. Force Mexico to provide jobs and healthcare for their people and we won’t have to worry about illegal immigration, but then big business would have to pay Americans a living wage. We can’t have that! And don’t give me that nonsense about we can’t “force a sovereign country to do what we want!” Tell that to Castro and Hugo Chavez and Viet Nam and Nicauragua and El Salvador and …
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmGeneral Michael Hayden,
Bushiva’s new point man on illegal wiretapping says that it’s his “professional opinion that had we had illegal wiretaps pre-9/11 the attacks on the twin towers would not have happened”….
Would somebody please tell that inbred sh*thead chickenhawk, Bushba*lickingscumsucking basta*d about the PDB entitled “bin Laden determined to carry out attacks on American soil”…
“Heckuva job Mikey”…
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmI’m learning about that hate speech thing you know.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #45
Seriously Big Papa, he’s being way too modest here. IRI has his PhD in Bigotry.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmGordon,
Thanks for the links.
I like the short essay on original intent -don’t have the time to read the others right now, but I will as soon as I can.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:08 pmTell that to Castro and Hugo Chavez and Viet Nam and Nicauragua and El Salvador and …
Comment by G.Gordon Giddy — January 23, 2006 @ 7:06 pm
Speaking of Chavez, isn’t he overdue for another Bush bash? The discounted heating oil to impoverished Massachusetts residents was pretty slick. Perhaps he could open the Hugo Chavez scholarship funding for needy Americans who’ve been denied student loans by their own richest-in-the-world government??? And Tiffany Cooper could be the first recipient…
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:12 pmI personally believe that anyone in the US should be able to get a college education at any university that would accept them at a rate equal to 1/3 of the minimum wage. The Federal Goverment would meet all excess costs where the alumni reenrollment rate was below 20%. All other institutions of higher learning would lose their tax exempt status.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:22 pmSEVEN SOLDIERS DIE TODAY while BUSH LAUGHS AND JOKES in Kansas. DISGUSTING.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:22 pmIt’s nationalized in ever major industrial democracy but one. Can you guess which one?
Mexico. No wonder they come here in droves. Force Mexico to provide jobs and healthcare for their people and we won’t have to worry about illegal immigration, (…)
Comment by G.Gordon Giddy — January 23, 2006 @ 7:06 pm
Mexico’s national health care system is universal and free. It’s called “Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social”, or IMSS for short. To qualify for its benefits all Mexicans have to do is show proof of citizenship. Another provider of free health care is the Secretaria de Salubridad y Asistencia, or SSA.
Both the SSA and IMSS run everything from hospitals to small rural clinics, nationwide vaccination programs, familiy planning educational programs, etc., for all Mexican nationals. All services are free.
If, a as Mexican national, you don’t feel like going to a IMSS or SSA-run hospital, you can opt for a private hospital, clinic, or doctor.
Illegal Mexicans are driven into the US not for health care, but for jobs that will provide them with enough income to support their families.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:23 pmHas CNN explained their coverage of the Bush diatribe speech yet? If CNN thinks it was cool to just show Bush and not the faces of his questioners, then CNN should have its broadcasting license revoked! Because it was slanted and bias coverage! Also WHY did CNN devote an hour & a half to Bush ranting in Kansas? There was NO reason to show his campaign stump speech in its entirety, since it was staged by Karl Rove with phony put-up questions!
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:24 pm141,
He can also just go to a internet cafe or something like that, right?
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:28 pmSeriously Big Papa, he’s being way too modest here. IRI has his PhD in Bigotry.
Comment by unbelievable #145
unbelievable,
IRI is lonely…
No self deserving human being with a modicum of common sense and the most rudimentary reading and writing skills would spend two minutes attempting a civil reparte with it…
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmCome-on, IRI has a mother. Why fault her for abandoning it at birth?
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:54 pm#144 chill out man. I know ..I get really pissed on here to sometimes… hehe. But what I am wondering is what is General Michael Haydens point? What is he saying exactly? From what I have learned about this issue THERE WAS WIRE TAPPING before 9/11. You just had to get a warrant to do it just like now. It has been that way since the 1970s because of Nixon and gang …which happens to be the very same people in Bushes gang. They have come back from the Nixon years and are defying not only the will of the people today, but the will of the people that were pissed at Nixon then. They are flipping off the FISA rules which were created because of them. COME ON PEOPLE. They just swapped Nixon with Bush….
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:16 pmDid it ever occur to you to pay for your college by taking out loans? Its what most people do. We dont wait around hoping for hand outs. You simply make “big brother” biger when you give him that kind of power.
Another possibility is to actually earn, yes I know thats a four letter word to most of you but yes earn a scholorship by working hard and staying off the drugs that obviously most of you did way to much of.
Why should my tax dollars pay for your ignorant ass to go screw off for four years. I have seen it over and over boneheads wasting time, money and space. Its my money, Ill pay for my kids.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:21 pmPs I am an educator with probably more intelligence in my big toe than most of you have collectively.
way to go Tiffany
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:28 pm#156… You are also an ass that doesnt know the first thing about people like Jesus, Buddha, or Ghandi. I know republicans in general are very selfish people but you still have got to understand the idea of teamwork. It is far better for a nation of people that consider themselves under one name (Americans) to work together to make all its people as good as they can be…especially if that country goes around pushing Jesus… Your attitude is of a defeatist and selfish sort like “squidward” from that kids show spongebob square pants. You think far more highly of yourself than you should. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:30 pmYou mean like the loans that Doctors get to pay for med school if they promise to work for five years in an isolated area that has no Dr., but go right to Hollywood and a lucrative plastic surgery practice? Just STFU you assklown. You are the Welfare Queen. Go away with your bullshit. You sound like Bowdler. Policeman never lie! Neither of you would know the truth or propaganda if it bit you on the ass.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:33 pmDid it ever occur to you to pay for your college by taking out loans? Its what most people do. We dont wait around hoping for hand outs. You simply make “big brother†biger when you give him that kind of power.
Comment by blackeye — January 23, 2006 @ 8:21 pm
This is exactly what the thread is about: The fact that the federal government has cut the federally funded student loan program.
From the Chicago Sun Times article you didn’t bother to read: Two-thirds of all college graduates take out loans to help pay for their college. The average debt of graduates is nearly $20,000. The student loan cuts just passed by Congress, according to experts cited by the Wall Street Journal, will raise the average cost over 10 years by $2,000 to students and $3,000 to parents.
The administration, through budget cuts, will increase the cost of getting an education instead of making it more affordable.
Another possibility is to actually earn, yes I know thats a four letter word to most of you but yes earn a scholorship by working hard and staying off the drugs that obviously most of you did way to much of.
So you think that not qualifying for a scolarship means you are lazy, on drugs, or both? What’s the current percentage of students on a scolarship? How many scolarships do universities grant across the US?
Ps I am an educator with probably more intelligence in my big toe than most of you have collectively.
Given your less than thoughtful post, somehow I doubt it.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:34 pmWhy should my tax dollars pay for your ignorant ass to go screw off for four years. I have seen it over and over boneheads wasting time, money and space. Its my money, Ill pay for my kids.
Ps I am an educator with probably more intelligence in my big toe than most of you have collectively.
Comment by blackeye
LOL!
Hoamskoolin’ don’t kount!
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:35 pmFrigging moron. The sophomore kicked your ass, Dimbulb.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:43 pmAppropriation for Pell grants increased by about 58% from 1990 to 2000. They have increased about 57% from 2000 to 2004. The authorized max grant only increased $2000 from 1993 to 1994 and was stuck at $4500 from 1997 to 1999.
And according to factcheck.org…
Spending for Pell Grants grew from just under $8 billion in the academic year that was underway when Bush took office to nearly $12.7 billion three years later, a jump of nearly 60%.
Funding for the DOE was up %58 in the first 3 years of Bush’s term, up more than it did during all of Clinton’s eight years.
It looks Bush has been pretty generous with his funding of education, but it’s never good enough for liberals, is it?
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 pmLies, Lies, Lies. It is completely impossible for the Chimp to tell the truth about anything. The only skill he has is lying, and he can’t even do that right. IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:51 pmEducating our youth is a matter of national security. Quality higher education is quickly becoming an elitist activity, or haven’t you heard the term ‘adjunct’, used more and more at the state level …where tuitions are going up.
Quality higher education has to be available to all who qualify intellectually, not financially.
Of course we could always become a third-rate country that needs to send its kids to … France, say, for a quality education.
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:54 pm#173 No we are never happy. Because we are always looking for…
A More Perfect Union
http://www.law.umkc.edu/ faculty/ projects/ ftrials/ conlaw/ conhist.html
On August 31 a weary George Mason, who had 3 months earlier written so expectantly to his son about the “great Business now before us,” bitterly exclaimed that he “would sooner chop off his right hand than put it to the Constitution as it now stands.” Maso