Comments on: Administration Caught In Lie About Medicare http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:12:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-2/#comment-422200 Jay Randal Thu, 26 Jan 2006 04:30:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-422200 Yes Bush LIES about Medicare, so what is new about that? He LIES about WMD in Iraq; he LIES about illegal wiretaps; he LIES about our rotten economy! He must be impeached!!! Yes Bush LIES about Medicare, so what is new about that?

He LIES about WMD in Iraq; he LIES about illegal wiretaps; he LIES about our rotten economy!

He must be impeached!!!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-2/#comment-422067 Marie Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:56:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-422067 McClellan doesn't know what he's talking about - ever. He memorizes his talking points, his responses and that's his job description. McClellan doesn’t know what he’s talking about – ever. He memorizes his talking points, his responses and that’s his job description.

]]> By: Tracy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-422064 Tracy Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:54:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-422064 #47 Please tell me why so many Canadians come to the U.S. to have various medical procedures performed. #47

Please tell me why so many Canadians come to the U.S. to have various medical procedures performed.

]]> By: Tracy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-422061 Tracy Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:53:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-422061 #43 "But, I assume that you are just fine with the ‘big government’ (care of Pres. Bush) rationing your civil liberties and having to wait your turn for the first or fourth amendment." 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Probable cause is determined by the Attorney General, so where is my 4th Amendment rights being violated? "If you were dependant upon Medicare (or Medi-scare) I’m quite confident that your attitude would change to something a bit more progressive." I have no problem with Medicare especially for those who are not able to afford health insurance and it should most definately stay in place. Hilary Clinton, back in the early 90s was proposing that the ENTIRE healthcare system of the U.S. be managed by the feds...and rightfully so it was opposed by the VAST majority of Americans and defeated. #43

“But, I assume that you are just fine with the ‘big government’ (care of Pres. Bush) rationing your civil liberties and having to wait your turn for the first or fourth amendment.”

4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Probable cause is determined by the Attorney General, so where is my 4th Amendment rights being violated?

“If you were dependant upon Medicare (or Medi-scare) I’m quite confident that your attitude would change to something a bit more progressive.”

I have no problem with Medicare especially for those who are not able to afford health insurance and it should most definately stay in place. Hilary Clinton, back in the early 90s was proposing that the ENTIRE healthcare system of the U.S. be managed by the feds…and rightfully so it was opposed by the VAST majority of Americans and defeated.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421861 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:41:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421861 Wonder if "he" hates government sponsered medical practices because they told "him" that "his" surgery was elective, he might think he was born in the wrong body, but changing his body was still a choice, and that the taxpayers do not have to pay for it. Wonder if “he” hates government sponsered medical practices because they told “him” that “his” surgery was elective, he might think he was born in the wrong body, but changing his body was still a choice, and that the taxpayers do not have to pay for it.

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421852 progressive and proud Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:36:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421852 #41 - I was about to tell Tracy that same thing. He has been told by Rush that there will be long lines and he believes it. I'm sure he was also led to believe that we will have poor healthcare, as if all the doctors will flee. Universal healthcare will happen. Can't stop it. #41 – I was about to tell Tracy that same thing. He has been told by Rush that there will be long lines and he believes it. I’m sure he was also led to believe that we will have poor healthcare, as if all the doctors will flee.

Universal healthcare will happen. Can’t stop it.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421821 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:22:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421821 Funny, Tracy Billy Tauzin has no problem taking socialised medicine at the same time he wrote this bill, see he was treated at a government not private hospital, Bethesda Naval Hospital which means he didn't pay for it, but I already told you I thought the military hospitals were pretty good, funny they are a take presonal responsibility until it comes to them. Funny, Tracy Billy Tauzin has no problem taking socialised medicine at the same time he wrote this bill, see he was treated at a government not private hospital, Bethesda Naval Hospital which means he didn’t pay for it, but I already told you I thought the military hospitals were pretty good, funny they are a take presonal responsibility until it comes to them.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421608 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:46:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421608 Yo tracy two pathetically weak arguments come on Karl must be slipping, guess that fitzgerald has him preoccupied and he can't keep-up no more Yo tracy two pathetically weak arguments come on Karl must be slipping, guess that fitzgerald has him preoccupied and he can’t keep-up no more

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421510 big papa Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:56:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421510 [Comment deleted] [Comment deleted]

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421486 Democrat Soldier Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:44:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421486 #40 - But, I assume that you are just fine with the 'big government' (care of Pres. Bush) rationing your civil liberties and having to wait your turn for the first or fourth amendment. If you were dependant upon Medicare (or Medi-scare) I'm quite confident that your attitude would change to something a bit more progressive. Pray to what ever God in which you believe that you never ever have to do depend on Pres. Bush for anything because you, madam, would die before he ever got around to even thinking about your healthcare. #40 – But, I assume that you are just fine with the ‘big government’ (care of Pres. Bush) rationing your civil liberties and having to wait your turn for the first or fourth amendment.

If you were dependant upon Medicare (or Medi-scare) I’m quite confident that your attitude would change to something a bit more progressive. Pray to what ever God in which you believe that you never ever have to do depend on Pres. Bush for anything because you, madam, would die before he ever got around to even thinking about your healthcare.

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421481 Democrat Soldier Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:41:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421481 #36 - My doctor was telling me that she's tired of the pharmacy commercials, because patients decide they want the drug, even if it's not appropriate for them. I think that the only advertising that pharmacies should be allowed/required is how much is spent on the making of the drugs, and how much profit they are getting on the drugs. #36 – My doctor was telling me that she’s tired of the pharmacy commercials, because patients decide they want the drug, even if it’s not appropriate for them.

I think that the only advertising that pharmacies should be allowed/required is how much is spent on the making of the drugs, and how much profit they are getting on the drugs.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421459 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:32:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421459 Sorry Tracy that dodge doesn't work, rationing is what the HMO's do by not aproving a procedure or denying payment, I've NEVER had any procedure that was medically necessary denied by either the U S Army during my service or by the VA after I got out, in fact I just had my bi-annual check-up due to some of the medical conditions my service from Desert Storm left me with. As for the long line, I was talking about negociating lower prices for large bulk purchases that is standard in all industries I know of. So the line argument is a false dodge. 0 points please play again and this time please stick to the question wouldn't negociating lower priced serve the TAX PAYERS of this country better and don't the congress serve the people? Sorry Tracy that dodge doesn’t work, rationing is what the HMO’s do by not aproving a procedure or denying payment, I’ve NEVER had any procedure that was medically necessary denied by either the U S Army during my service or by the VA after I got out, in fact I just had my bi-annual check-up due to some of the medical conditions my service from Desert Storm left me with. As for the long line, I was talking about negociating lower prices for large bulk purchases that is standard in all industries I know of. So the line argument is a false dodge. 0 points please play again and this time please stick to the question wouldn’t negociating lower priced serve the TAX PAYERS of this country better and don’t the congress serve the people?

]]> By: Tracy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421434 Tracy Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:19:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421434 #38 & #39 I don't favor the government rationing healthcare and having to wait in long lines. #38 & #39

I don’t favor the government rationing healthcare and having to wait in long lines.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421262 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:53:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421262 Oh and by the way Tracy the cost of prescriptions would be cheaper because like the VA then medicare would be able to get a lower cost because they buy such a large amount just like anyother bulk purchase of goods in this country, the fact that The republicans gave the pharmas a windfall profit guarentee by requireing the medicare program pay full retail price instead of the discopunts must really burn your good conservative values I mean that is a direct waste of tax dollars that belong to the tax-payers, but the good republicans by their legislation took those tax dollars and gave them to the drug companies, good republican conservative lower taxes in action RIGHT? Oh and by the way Tracy the cost of prescriptions would be cheaper because like the VA then medicare would be able to get a lower cost because they buy such a large amount just like anyother bulk purchase of goods in this country, the fact that The republicans gave the pharmas a windfall profit guarentee by requireing the medicare program pay full retail price instead of the discopunts must really burn your good conservative values I mean that is a direct waste of tax dollars that belong to the tax-payers, but the good republicans by their legislation took those tax dollars and gave them to the drug companies, good republican conservative lower taxes in action RIGHT?

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421244 Clif Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:45:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421244 Tracy with out the HMO's bilking medicare and some proper preventative care like I get at the Veterans Administration the overall cost probably will be lower. Tracy with out the HMO’s bilking medicare and some proper preventative care like I get at the Veterans Administration the overall cost probably will be lower.

]]> By: Tracy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421239 Tracy Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:40:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421239 Hillary care and turn over 1/3 of the the U.S. economy to the feds! Hillary care and turn over 1/3 of the the U.S. economy to the feds!

]]> By: Cyra Brown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421219 Cyra Brown Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:29:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421219 Drug companies should be prohibited from advertising, in any form. No TV, no print, no radio, nothing. If your Doctor feels that you need something, She/He will take care of it for you. Doctors are not "middlemen" Drug companies have no business hawking their wares directly to consumers. But they are all greedy bastiges, with dollar signs, instead of pupils. Advertising is EXPENSIVE!!!! And we are all paying for it, in more ways than one. Bend over.....SSDD. Drug companies should be prohibited from advertising, in any form. No TV, no print, no radio, nothing. If your Doctor feels that you need something, She/He will take care of it for you. Doctors are not “middlemen” Drug companies have no business hawking their wares directly to consumers. But they are all greedy bastiges, with dollar signs, instead of pupils. Advertising is EXPENSIVE!!!! And we are all paying for it, in more ways than one. Bend over…..SSDD.

]]> By: whiskeypete http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421212 whiskeypete Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:25:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421212 #29 - Tauzin -exactly. That POS wrote the medicare legislation right before he went to be the head of PHARMA. Another unamerican republican crook lining his pockets and his contributors at the expense of everyone else - except Paris Fucking Hilton and co. Read it and weep - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10138-2004Feb3.html Then there was the Tauzin/Dingell act that cleaned up for the telecommunications monopoly - http://www.newnetworks.com/8reasons.htm GOP - The Party of Destroying Businesses. #29 – Tauzin -exactly. That POS wrote the medicare legislation right before he went to be the head of PHARMA. Another unamerican republican crook lining his pockets and his contributors at the expense of everyone else – except Paris Fucking Hilton and co.

Read it and weep – http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10138-2004Feb3.html

Then there was the Tauzin/Dingell act that cleaned up for the telecommunications monopoly – http://www.newnetworks.com/8reasons.htm

GOP – The Party of Destroying Businesses.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421170 big papa Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:05:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421170 [Comment deleted by admin] [Comment deleted by admin]

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-421154 Democrat Soldier Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:53:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/25/administration-lie-medicare/#comment-421154 #31 - Actually, I think that "Right between the I's" just likes to blame anyone/everyone else for the failures of the Republican party. Rather than "fix" Medicare, they made it even more of a mess than it currently is. "It must be because of Pres. Clinton, or the liberals!" No personal responsibility being taken there! Rather than "balance" the budget, we now have historically defining deficits. "It must be because of Pres. Clinton, or the liberals!" No personal responsibility being taken there! If a currently elected Republican ever takes personal responsibility, I think the fabric of the universe would tear, and it would be the end of the world as we know it. Thankfully, that is such a remote possibility that I won't have to hold my breath. #31 – Actually, I think that “Right between the I’s” just likes to blame anyone/everyone else for the failures of the Republican party.

Rather than “fix” Medicare, they made it even more of a mess than it currently is. “It must be because of Pres. Clinton, or the liberals!” No personal responsibility being taken there!

Rather than “balance” the budget, we now have historically defining deficits. “It must be because of Pres. Clinton, or the liberals!” No personal responsibility being taken there!

If a currently elected Republican ever takes personal responsibility, I think the fabric of the universe would tear, and it would be the end of the world as we know it. Thankfully, that is such a remote possibility that I won’t have to hold my breath.

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