Comments on: The Era of Massive Deficits Is Just Beginning http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: richb http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425860 richb Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:48:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425860 #81 why the personal attack, and terse language. I don't live in my 'mom's basement', she is deceased and I don't appreciate the slam. I enjoy discourse on political subjects and am perfectly willing to listen to other points, and if you see my posts on other threads you'd see that. #81 why the personal attack, and terse language. I don’t live in my ‘mom’s basement’, she is deceased and I don’t appreciate the slam.

I enjoy discourse on political subjects and am perfectly willing to listen to other points, and if you see my posts on other threads you’d see that.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425672 unbelievable Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:00:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425672 Online Filibuster email to key Democrats... http://www.savethecourt.org/site/c.mwK0JbNTJrF/b.1387935/k.5362/Fax_to_Filibuster_Alito/apps/ka/ct/contactcustom.asp It can't hurt... Online Filibuster email to key Democrats…

http://www.savethecourt.org/site/c.mwK0JbNTJrF/b.1387935/k.5362/Fax_to_Filibuster_Alito/apps/ka/ct/contactcustom.asp

It can’t hurt…

]]> By: cynical ex-hippie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425589 cynical ex-hippie Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:06:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425589 #87 We already have that to a degree. Look at the states which implement so-called conservative economic policies. And look at the economic performance of liberal states. They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our success in the face of their failures. #87 We already have that to a degree. Look at the states which implement so-called conservative economic policies. And look at the economic performance of liberal states.

They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our success in the face of their failures.

]]> By: You can't handle the truth! — http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425514 You can't handle the truth! — Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:39:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425514 SWAMPWRETCH: The Dearborn Truck Plant, which represents one portion of the Rouge facility, has 2,600 union employees and makes the F-150 pickup truck, the best selling vehicle in the United States. A Ford spokesman told CNNMoney the company supported the move, although it had not been extended to the other North American manufacturing facilities. Officials with UAW Local 600, who backed the announcement, are scheduled to conduct talks with management next week to finalize the details and discuss expanding the ban across the entire Rouge facility, union president Jerry Sullivan told CNNMoney. "There has to be something put in place to grab people's attention and to make a statement that this is a serious thing," said Sullivan, whose union represents approximately 8,000 workers at the larger Rouge complex. "It's up to us to stand up and do what is right and to drive a vehicle from the company you work for." The Dearborn Truck Plant parking policy will allow vehicles made by non-U.S. Ford brands such as Mazda, Volvo and Land Rover, Sullivan said. SWAMPWRETCH:
The Dearborn Truck Plant, which represents one portion of the Rouge facility, has 2,600 union employees and makes the F-150 pickup truck, the best selling vehicle in the United States.

A Ford spokesman told CNNMoney the company supported the move, although it had not been extended to the other North American manufacturing facilities.

Officials with UAW Local 600, who backed the announcement, are scheduled to conduct talks with management next week to finalize the details and discuss expanding the ban across the entire Rouge facility, union president Jerry Sullivan told CNNMoney.

“There has to be something put in place to grab people’s attention and to make a statement that this is a serious thing,” said Sullivan, whose union represents approximately 8,000 workers at the larger Rouge complex. “It’s up to us to stand up and do what is right and to drive a vehicle from the company you work for.”

The Dearborn Truck Plant parking policy will allow vehicles made by non-U.S. Ford brands such as Mazda, Volvo and Land Rover, Sullivan said.

]]> By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425213 Bruce Gorton Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:44:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425213 Another Great depression might bring about my vision of a single world economy, as the currencies of the world lose value in relation to goods and the world devolves into a barter system. I would just rather avoid it if at all possible. Impeach Bush now, before the harm done is completely irrevocable. Another Great depression might bring about my vision of a single world economy, as the currencies of the world lose value in relation to goods and the world devolves into a barter system. I would just rather avoid it if at all possible. Impeach Bush now, before the harm done is completely irrevocable.

]]> By: G. Gordon Giddy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-425095 G. Gordon Giddy Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:59:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-425095 Cynical, I wish we could operate under two political economies here, as an experiment. Nevermind the fact other countries do it and disprove all their bullshit free-market, supply-side voodoo economic theories, we need to run the experiment here and see who ends up back in the 19th century first. That side would be the loser. Cynical,

I wish we could operate under two political economies here, as an experiment. Nevermind the fact other countries do it and disprove all their bullshit free-market, supply-side voodoo economic theories, we need to run the experiment here and see who ends up back in the 19th century first. That side would be the loser.

]]> By: cynical ex-hippie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424724 cynical ex-hippie Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:35:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424724 <i>the debt-to-GDP ratio indicates the country’s ability to pay back its debt.</i> Yes, and I have a problem when that formula involves 100% of my salary. It's a Republican debt. Let them pay it back. Under Bush, we have a $2 trillion increase in debt. Sixty million voted for him in 2004. That comes out to $33,000 each. Pay up, suckers. the debt-to-GDP ratio indicates the country’s ability to pay back its debt.

Yes, and I have a problem when that formula involves 100% of my salary.

It’s a Republican debt. Let them pay it back. Under Bush, we have a $2 trillion increase in debt. Sixty million voted for him in 2004. That comes out to $33,000 each. Pay up, suckers.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424623 Clif Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424623 #84 Or the chinese stop taking our IOU's #84 Or the chinese stop taking our IOU’s

]]> By: Mark http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424486 Mark Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:56:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424486 Eventually we reacha point where debt service (Interest & required principle payments) will take over a greater and greater portion of the budget squeezing out other spending. With this administration and this congress I imagine the spending cuts will be for social programs while the military's share continues to grow. Eventually we reacha point where debt service (Interest & required principle payments) will take over a greater and greater portion of the budget squeezing out other spending. With this administration and this congress I imagine the spending cuts will be for social programs while the military’s share continues to grow.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424471 Clif Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:51:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424471 G. Gordon if Sam was alive his kids wouldn't be getting away with the present Walmart either. Sam's probably spinning in his grave as fast as Tip is for all tweetys crap G. Gordon if Sam was alive his kids wouldn’t be getting away with the present Walmart either. Sam’s probably spinning in his grave as fast as Tip is for all tweetys crap

]]> By: G. Gordon Giddy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424451 G. Gordon Giddy Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:36:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424451 In other words, you would never find my father in a Wal-Mart. If my fathet were still alive, and more people of his generation, there would be no Wal-Marts. In other words, you would never find my father in a Wal-Mart. If my fathet were still alive, and more people of his generation, there would be no Wal-Marts.

]]> By: G. Gordon Giddy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424446 G. Gordon Giddy Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:33:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424446 <em>it’s Spending, and not taxes that are the problem IMHO. Comment by richb</em> You try living without spending. Let us know how that goes from your mom's basement. It's no different with governments. It depends who gets elected and spends how much on what and how much waste and corruption is encouraged and this administration is finally #1 in at least that category. You are a simple-minded moron who has made a whole political philosophy out of the phrase "Fuck off!" You and Grover Norquist are as useles as a plumber's helper in an outhouse. My father always told me two things about spending: Always spend money on the best item if it was important enough for you to want it to last. You will save money in the long run, i.e. think long term. Always spend money on your home (infrastructure) first. Without a roof over your head and money (surplus) in the bank, you were one step away from the street. it’s Spending, and not taxes that are the problem IMHO.

Comment by richb

You try living without spending.

Let us know how that goes from your mom’s basement.

It’s no different with governments. It depends who gets elected and spends how much on what and how much waste and corruption is encouraged and this administration is finally #1 in at least that category.

You are a simple-minded moron who has made a whole political philosophy out of the phrase “Fuck off!”

You and Grover Norquist are as useles as a plumber’s helper in an outhouse.

My father always told me two things about spending: Always spend money on the best item if it was important enough for you to want it to last. You will save money in the long run, i.e. think long term.

Always spend money on your home (infrastructure) first.

Without a roof over your head and money (surplus) in the bank, you were one step away from the street.

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424347 Clif Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:26:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424347 Dano347 swamp rabbit didn't have to live in 1979, because the international oil market is operating at almost peak capacity, with the fiasco that our bubble-boy led administration has created in Iraq combined with the civil war in nigeria the market probably will be unable to provide enough oil for all the consumers that want to purchase it. Just like 1979, however this time it won't be because the market is being manipulated but the market has no more reserbe capacity, and when there is more demand than supply all these good dicipiles of Adam Smith can tell us what happens the price rises to the level the market can bare, maybe $100 per barrel, maybe higher, but $100 per barrel translates to $4-5 dollars per gallon, which is higher even adjusted for inflation than 1979. So swamp rabbit and everybody else may have their very own personal expeirence to relate from and won't need to recite from the daily talking points, but this time the OPEC countries won't be able to ramp up production even if they wanted to. So stagflation could become not a Reagan talking point but a perminate reality. Dano347 swamp rabbit didn’t have to live in 1979, because the international oil market is operating at almost peak capacity, with the fiasco that our bubble-boy led administration has created in Iraq combined with the civil war in nigeria the market probably will be unable to provide enough oil for all the consumers that want to purchase it. Just like 1979, however this time it won’t be because the market is being manipulated but the market has no more reserbe capacity, and when there is more demand than supply all these good dicipiles of Adam Smith can tell us what happens the price rises to the level the market can bare, maybe $100 per barrel, maybe higher, but $100 per barrel translates to $4-5 dollars per gallon, which is higher even adjusted for inflation than 1979. So swamp rabbit and everybody else may have their very own personal expeirence to relate from and won’t need to recite from the daily talking points, but this time the OPEC countries won’t be able to ramp up production even if they wanted to. So stagflation could become not a Reagan talking point but a perminate reality.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424335 big papa Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:14:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424335 When we have an economy like Jimmy Carter’s you might convince me to a pessismist. Let me know when that happens because it’s not happening now no matter how hard you wish to be so. Comment by Swamp Rabbit #62 <strong>Swamp wretch, You inbreds are really serious about "creating reality"... Things may be wonderful for you economically speaking, but there's enough misery permeating this country that even those who aren't experiencing it personally should have the humanity, dignity, and compassion to be concerned about those who are... But then that's a trademark of you selfish, greedy inbreds, you care only about yourselves... Your time will come...and soon...</strong> When we have an economy like Jimmy Carter’s you might convince me to a pessismist. Let me know when that happens because it’s not happening now no matter how hard you wish to be so.

Comment by Swamp Rabbit #62

Swamp wretch,

You inbreds are really serious about “creating reality”…

Things may be wonderful for you economically speaking, but there’s enough misery permeating this country that even those who aren’t experiencing it personally should have the humanity, dignity, and compassion to be concerned about those who are…

But then that’s a trademark of you selfish, greedy inbreds, you care only about yourselves…

Your time will come…and soon…

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424331 big papa Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:06:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424331 If they get their way, social programs will be eliminated entirely. Just look at how they “reduced spending” in the last budget. This is the blueprint and the cutting has already begun. Comment by Southwest Bob #7 <strong>SW Bob, You're exactly right! We must all remember that ideologically the conservatives want to destroy th social safety net, and make the poor more dependent upon and slavish to the demands of the wealthy class... The poor/middle working class red state inbreds vote against their own economic self interests mainly because they believe (erroneously) that they too can become a part of the monied oppressive "patrons" class (pure greed and selfishness), as well as in order to keep their foots on the necks of women and minorities... Installing Bushiva as president was the moral equivalent of implanting a self-destruct mechanism into the social and political heart of America...</strong> If they get their way, social programs will be eliminated entirely. Just look at how they “reduced spending” in the last budget. This is the blueprint and the cutting has already begun.

Comment by Southwest Bob #7

SW Bob,

You’re exactly right!

We must all remember that ideologically the conservatives want to destroy th social safety net, and make the poor more dependent upon and slavish to the demands of the wealthy class…

The poor/middle working class red state inbreds vote against their own economic self interests mainly because they believe (erroneously) that they too can become a part of the monied oppressive “patrons” class (pure greed and selfishness), as well as in order to keep their foots on the necks of women and minorities…

Installing Bushiva as president was the moral equivalent of implanting a self-destruct mechanism into the social and political heart of America…

]]> By: richb http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424185 richb Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:41:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424185 at any point you don't feel you are paying enough taxes, send a check to the US Treasury for as much as you want. it's Spending, and not taxes that are the problem IMHO. we've had the public debate and I'd say zero to a local percentage of voters want spending cuts in their state or jurisdiction....it's "cut the other guys, my politician is doing a good job" voters get the gov't they elect. at any point you don’t feel you are paying enough taxes, send a check to the US Treasury for as much as you want.

it’s Spending, and not taxes that are the problem IMHO.

we’ve had the public debate and I’d say zero to a local percentage of voters want spending cuts in their state or jurisdiction….it’s “cut the other guys, my politician is doing a good job”

voters get the gov’t they elect.

]]> By: dano347 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424137 dano347 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:09:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424137 I know I'm late for the party but this is too much: "One last thing regarding perspective. The current economy is great compared to the last time liberals controlled the government…see Jimmy Carter. Maybe you weren’t there, but I was. When it gets that bad I might have something negative to say about the economy. Comment by Swamp Rabbit — January 26, 2006 Urm ,... remember OPEC? If you lived during that era (doubtful given your past statements) you'd know that the primary reason for the "malaise" was high gas prices, brought on by OPEC's decision to drastically decrease production. Swampy, how can we take you seriously when you can't even produce credible spin (much less the truth)? But keep trying - you make us look good by comparison. I know I’m late for the party but this is too much:

“One last thing regarding perspective. The current economy is great compared to the last time liberals controlled the government…see Jimmy Carter. Maybe you weren’t there, but I was. When it gets that bad I might have something negative to say about the economy.

Comment by Swamp Rabbit — January 26, 2006

Urm ,… remember OPEC? If you lived during that era (doubtful given your past statements) you’d know that the primary reason for the “malaise” was high gas prices, brought on by OPEC’s decision to drastically decrease production. Swampy, how can we take you seriously when you can’t even produce credible spin (much less the truth)?

But keep trying – you make us look good by comparison.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-424040 Jay Randal Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:24:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-424040 After 3 more years of Bush corruption, there will not be a dime left in Washington, DC for anybody! The government will be bankrupt and half the US population will be unemployed and many starving to death too! WWIII will be waging around Israel and nuclear bombs will be exploding even on America! Thank the Bush Regime criminals for END! After 3 more years of Bush corruption, there will not be a dime left in Washington, DC for anybody! The government will be bankrupt and half the US population will be unemployed and many starving to death too! WWIII will be waging around Israel and nuclear bombs will be exploding even on America! Thank the Bush Regime criminals for END!

]]> By: No Freedom! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-423844 No Freedom! Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:21:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-423844 purvis ames — this is for your eyes only. <blockquote><strong>http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top</strong></blockquote> purvis ames —
this is for your eyes only.

http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top

]]> By: purvis ames http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/comment-page-2/#comment-423834 purvis ames Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:08:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/era-of-massive-deficits/#comment-423834 #22 I'm here a little late but I must heap praise on Giacomo for raising the level of incoherence to hitherto unknown heights. Keep up the good work, G-man! #22
I’m here a little late but I must heap praise on Giacomo for raising the level of incoherence to hitherto unknown heights. Keep up the good work, G-man!

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