Comments on: Former NSA Director Hayden Lied To Congress And Broke The Law http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:15:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Freedom http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-1158070 Freedom Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:20:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-1158070 The Plame mess shows that they can’t always rely on a prosecutor playing along, so we havwe to wait until somebody in DC has the power to get DOJ to act. This is one reason that the november elections cause so much gastric upheaving in the GOP because they might become a minority party and then the legal free ride is over in DC. Bush could do the samething that Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R) Kentucky when some of his underlings changing the rules without actually changing the law, He acrtually pardoned every person who was known at that time or would be discovered later from prosecution except himself, but if no-one can be charged what bare the chances they’ll testify out of their sence of civic duty. If bush pardons after a november loss of one or both houses what can we do? The Plame mess shows that they can’t always rely on a prosecutor playing along, so we havwe to wait until somebody in DC has the power to get DOJ to act. This is one reason that the november elections cause so much gastric upheaving in the GOP because they might become a minority party and then the legal free ride is over in DC. Bush could do the samething that Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R) Kentucky when some of his underlings changing the rules without actually changing the law, He acrtually pardoned every person who was known at that time or would be discovered later from prosecution except himself, but if no-one can be charged what bare the chances they’ll testify out of their sence of civic duty. If bush pardons after a november loss of one or both houses what can we do?

]]> By: News for Greens » http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-555649 News for Greens » Sun, 14 May 2006 02:31:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-555649 [...] FLACKING FOR BUSH: Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden’s nomination to be the next CIA director was already the subject of controversy given his role in misleading Congress about the domestic wiretapping program. Former NSA Director Bobby Ray Inman recently said of the program, “This activity is not authorized. … [The administration] needs to get away from the idea that they can continue doing it.” The domestic call-tracking program “means more turbulence” for Hayden’s nomination. Hayden, who ran the NSA from March 1999 until last year, “was at the helm when the phone database program began — and helped create the NSA warrantless eavesdropping program.” Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) plans to hold hearings on his nomination starting May 18. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), an intelligence committee member, said the reports also raise questions about Hayden’s credibility. “He is the architect of the program. He comes to the intelligence committee, says how concerned he is about privacy,” Wyden said. “This is not what the public thought this program was all about.” The call-tracking program is sure to raise questions about whether Hayden can sufficiently lead an independent intelligence-gathering agency without succumbing to the White House’s political pressure. May 13th, 2006 | [...] [...] FLACKING FOR BUSH: Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden’s nomination to be the next CIA director was already the subject of controversy given his role in misleading Congress about the domestic wiretapping program. Former NSA Director Bobby Ray Inman recently said of the program, “This activity is not authorized. … [The administration] needs to get away from the idea that they can continue doing it.” The domestic call-tracking program “means more turbulence” for Hayden’s nomination. Hayden, who ran the NSA from March 1999 until last year, “was at the helm when the phone database program began — and helped create the NSA warrantless eavesdropping program.” Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) plans to hold hearings on his nomination starting May 18. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), an intelligence committee member, said the reports also raise questions about Hayden’s credibility. “He is the architect of the program. He comes to the intelligence committee, says how concerned he is about privacy,” Wyden said. “This is not what the public thought this program was all about.” The call-tracking program is sure to raise questions about whether Hayden can sufficiently lead an independent intelligence-gathering agency without succumbing to the White House’s political pressure. May 13th, 2006 | [...]

]]> By: LesPorter http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-547624 LesPorter Tue, 09 May 2006 12:56:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-547624 I reccommend you write your senator and ask for a NO vote for confirmation of Hayden as Director CIA. I have, both of them. If you do this enough the message will get through. I personally know one Senator and he knows me, and the other one is starting to get to know me. I wish either were up for election this fall, but neither is. It would make responsiveness more realistic. I am loosing faith in the American Process of fixing itself. The best approach may be to erect Gallows of bronze or rust proof invar in front of both the White House and the Congress. The honor of being elected to serve your nation would then be balanced by the public hanging of those that steal or break the faith with the American people. For President and Congress as well as heads of all the government offices, and Cabinets, the willful violation of statues and laws or of the Constitution, would incur a fair trial, and a quick lifetime incarceration without parole, or a public hanging by the neck until dead. Also required, would be a return of all property or wealth to the system through our public treasury, minus a two year modest stipend (social security level) for family not found associated with transgressions. No property could be inherited or shielded for progeny if the law has been violated and guilt established by jury. Property would revert to the public through auction. The current system is not doing the job. We the People, might be able to fix it, but we need to act soon, and we need to sweep the house, and then the Senate. We need to demand the Congress uphold the Constitution and call an Article Five Amendatory Convention, as provided in the Constitution, to correct the abuses of our current national situation. LesPorter I reccommend you write your senator and ask for a NO vote for confirmation of Hayden as Director CIA. I have, both of them. If you do this enough the message will get through.
I personally know one Senator and he knows me, and the other one is starting to get to know me. I wish either were up for election this fall, but neither is. It would make responsiveness more realistic.

I am loosing faith in the American Process of fixing itself. The best approach may be to erect Gallows of bronze or rust proof invar in front of both the White House and the Congress. The honor of being elected to serve your nation would then be balanced by the public hanging of those that steal or break the faith with the American people.

For President and Congress as well as heads of all the government offices, and Cabinets, the willful violation of statues and laws or of the Constitution, would incur a fair trial, and a quick lifetime incarceration without parole, or a public hanging by the neck until dead. Also required, would be a return of all property or wealth to the system through our public treasury, minus a two year modest stipend (social security level) for family not found associated with transgressions. No property could be inherited or shielded for progeny if the law has been violated and guilt established by jury. Property would revert to the public through auction.

The current system is not doing the job. We the People, might be able to fix it, but we need to act soon, and we need to sweep the house, and then the Senate. We need to demand the Congress uphold the Constitution and call an Article Five Amendatory Convention, as provided in the Constitution, to correct the abuses of our current national situation.

LesPorter

]]> By: The Bush Awareness Report » Blog Archive » How to replace a CIA director with ties to Hookers? Get one who spies on Americans! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-545642 The Bush Awareness Report » Blog Archive » How to replace a CIA director with ties to Hookers? Get one who spies on Americans! Mon, 08 May 2006 21:11:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-545642 [...] Think Progress [...] [...] Think Progress [...]

]]> By: Oliver Willis » Will They Roll For The Next Crony? http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-541048 Oliver Willis » Will They Roll For The Next Crony? Sat, 06 May 2006 05:16:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-541048 [...] Can we expect the same of our Democrats in the Senate when the likely nomination of Michael V. Hayden rolls around? Hayden misled a previous congressional panel and was then rolled out to snow job the compliant press when the president’s domestic wiretapping was revealed (well, after the New York Times delayed the story to come out when the election had passed). [...] [...] Can we expect the same of our Democrats in the Senate when the likely nomination of Michael V. Hayden rolls around? Hayden misled a previous congressional panel and was then rolled out to snow job the compliant press when the president’s domestic wiretapping was revealed (well, after the New York Times delayed the story to come out when the election had passed). [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » Hayden reported to be the next CIA director. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-540964 Think Progress » Hayden reported to be the next CIA director. Sat, 06 May 2006 03:43:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-540964 [...] Deputy National Intelligence Director Michael Hayden, “who has a close rapport with Vice President Cheney, has not been formally offered the job,…is the leading candidate and the announcement is planned for Monday at the White House,” sources tell Time. Hayden’s record? He previously misled Congress about Bush’s warrantless spying program.  11:42 pm | Comment (0) [...] [...] Deputy National Intelligence Director Michael Hayden, “who has a close rapport with Vice President Cheney, has not been formally offered the job,…is the leading candidate and the announcement is planned for Monday at the White House,” sources tell Time. Hayden’s record? He previously misled Congress about Bush’s warrantless spying program.  11:42 pm | Comment (0) [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » With Attention Focused Elsewhere, Cheney Wages Silent Defense of NSA Wiretapping http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-448781 Think Progress » With Attention Focused Elsewhere, Cheney Wages Silent Defense of NSA Wiretapping Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:15:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-448781 [...] DeWine should know better. His efforts to reform FISA were disingenuously rejected in 2002 by the Justice Department. The administration clearly has no problem misleading Congress about its program, and DeWine wants to reward them by giving them a legal blank check? [...] [...] DeWine should know better. His efforts to reform FISA were disingenuously rejected in 2002 by the Justice Department. The administration clearly has no problem misleading Congress about its program, and DeWine wants to reward them by giving them a legal blank check? [...]

]]> By: The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » Nothing- but a ghostly, eerie chuckle that might have been the wind http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-426391 The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » Nothing- but a ghostly, eerie chuckle that might have been the wind Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:33:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-426391 [...] I wrote , “While I’m sure that General Hayden the former NSA Director is a fine American” and there I go again trying to be fair and it just gets thrown back in my face, Former NSA Director Hayden Lied To Congress And Broke The Law The Bush administration has pulled out all the stops in attempting to defend the NSA’s warrantless domestic spying program. After speeches by President Bush and Attorney General Gonzales, Deputy Director of National Intelligence and former NSA Director General Michael Hayden took another crack at the defense in a speech on Monday. He’s not exactly the ideal choice to restore the administration’s credibility. [...] [...] I wrote , “While I’m sure that General Hayden the former NSA Director is a fine American” and there I go again trying to be fair and it just gets thrown back in my face, Former NSA Director Hayden Lied To Congress And Broke The Law The Bush administration has pulled out all the stops in attempting to defend the NSA’s warrantless domestic spying program. After speeches by President Bush and Attorney General Gonzales, Deputy Director of National Intelligence and former NSA Director General Michael Hayden took another crack at the defense in a speech on Monday. He’s not exactly the ideal choice to restore the administration’s credibility. [...]

]]> By: Dana Greene http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-426103 Dana Greene Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:00:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-426103 Kiss, kiss for being so candid. if this isn't the issue on which they get nailed, what is? (i know, there are many more, but not now). Kiss, kiss for being so candid. if this isn’t the issue on which they get nailed, what is? (i know, there are many more, but not now).

]]> By: pat anderson http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-425596 pat anderson Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:08:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-425596 what cracked me up listening to General Hayden the other day is his refusal to say "probable cause". He kept using the phrase "believable cause". Seems to me, the General needs a refresher course in the Constitution before he gets in front of another audience in his full military uniform with his brades and medals glistening in the kleig lights and makes an ass out of himself...again. what cracked me up listening to General Hayden the other day is his refusal to say “probable cause”. He kept using the phrase “believable cause”.

Seems to me, the General needs a refresher course in the Constitution before he gets in front of another audience in his full military uniform with his brades and medals glistening in the kleig lights and makes an ass out of himself…again.

]]> By: the brain http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-424491 the brain Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:57:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-424491 I did not know that an NSA general like Hayden. could talk about classified subjects, of wire tapping and E-Mail invasions of American citizens. Then argue that the 4th amendment does not have probable cause in it? and he is A general. Did he help plan the War in Iraq too? I did not know that an NSA general like Hayden. could talk about classified subjects, of wire tapping and E-Mail invasions of American citizens. Then argue that the 4th amendment does not have probable cause in it? and he is A general. Did he help plan the War in Iraq too?

]]> By: Current Era Blog » Former NSA Director Hayden Lied To Congress And Broke The Law http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-424465 Current Era Blog » Former NSA Director Hayden Lied To Congress And Broke The Law Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:44:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-424465 [...] by Morton Halperin Think Progress ….As Think Progress documented back in December, Hayden misled Congress. In his 10/17/02 testimony, he told a committee investigating the 9/11 attacks that any surveillance of persons in the United States was done consistent with FISA. [...] [...] by Morton Halperin Think Progress ….As Think Progress documented back in December, Hayden misled Congress. In his 10/17/02 testimony, he told a committee investigating the 9/11 attacks that any surveillance of persons in the United States was done consistent with FISA. [...]

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-424436 big papa Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:25:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-424436 <strong>WORFEUS, You make great points, and provide very eye opening statistics... I wonder how the dollars spent on this so-called war on terror (and who they benefit in our government and corporate dynasties) compare to the dollar amounts spent to solve the alcohol, tobacco, car crash, and illegal drus related deaths? Thanks for opening some of our eyes WORFEUS!</strong> WORFEUS,

You make great points, and provide very eye opening statistics…

I wonder how the dollars spent on this so-called war on terror (and who they benefit in our government and corporate dynasties) compare to the dollar amounts spent to solve the alcohol, tobacco, car crash, and illegal drus related deaths?

Thanks for opening some of our eyes WORFEUS!

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-424430 big papa Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:20:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-424430 gee, flighty massmurderlikee, you’re so civic-minded. just think, you could be out doing anything to make this a better world for your kids to live in, and you choose to troll around a website, espousing wingnut values instead. have you taught your children how to goose-step yet? Comment by Progressaurus Rex #145 <strong>BRAVO!!!!</strong> gee, flighty massmurderlikee,
you’re so civic-minded. just think, you could be out doing anything to make this a better world for your kids to live in, and you choose to troll around a website, espousing wingnut values instead. have you taught your children how to goose-step yet?

Comment by Progressaurus Rex #145

BRAVO!!!!

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423969 Clif Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:23:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423969 That is why I don't have one, my grandfather recounted some of his personal expieriences from the great depressiuon to me, and I don't have any account except the one I need to get my VA check. That is why I don’t have one, my grandfather recounted some of his personal expieriences from the great depressiuon to me, and I don’t have any account except the one I need to get my VA check.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423921 Jay Randal Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:16:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423921 Of course Hayden lied! He is a Bush supporter and a Neocon thug!! He will never tell the truth about anything!!! Of course Hayden lied!

He is a Bush supporter and a Neocon thug!!

He will never tell the truth about anything!!!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423898 Marie Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:01:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423898 #151 Clif <em>one look at the senario of the US 1929-1932 you can see that the wingnuts in power know that alot of everyday people might not be very pleasent once the whole mess comes crashing down after the federal deficit comes due</em> When one considers this scenario and adds to it the report of the banks who have been instructed by Homeland Sec. to not allow people to remove gold/silver and valuables, other than paper, from their safety deposit boxes in the event of an emergency, it all seems pretty foreboding doesn't it? #151 Clif
one look at the senario of the US 1929-1932 you can see that the wingnuts in power know that alot of everyday people might not be very pleasent once the whole mess comes crashing down after the federal deficit comes due

When one considers this scenario and adds to it the report of the banks who have been instructed by Homeland Sec. to not allow people to remove gold/silver and valuables, other than paper, from their safety deposit boxes in the event of an emergency, it all seems pretty foreboding doesn’t it?

]]> By: No Freedom! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423861 No Freedom! Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:37:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423861 one more time. <blockquote><strong>http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top</strong></blockquote> one more time.

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]]> By: No Freedom! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423858 No Freedom! Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:36:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423858 http://www.thebulletin.org/ article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top http://www.thebulletin.org/ article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top

]]> By: No Freedom! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/comment-page-4/#comment-423857 No Freedom! Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:34:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/26/hayden-broke-law/#comment-423857 <blockquote><strong>http://www.thebulletin.org/ article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top A MUST READ</strong></blockquote>

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A MUST READ

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