Report Finds Future of Army In Danger; Rumsfeld Responds By Blaming Clinton
Report Finds Future of Army In Danger; Rumsfeld Responds By Blaming Clinton
Yesterday, former Defense Secretary William Perry released a study that found that “the strain of deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan is endangering the nation.†A copy of the report is available here. The Perry study came on the heels of an official Pentagon study that came to a similar conclusion. Even the top U.S. commander in Iraq recognizes the military is overstretched.
Everyone seems to acknowledge the problem except Donald Rumsfeld. The Secretary of Defense defiantly claimed: “The force is not broken. … I just can’t imagine someone looking at the United States armed forces today and suggesting that they’re close to breaking. That’s just not the case.”
Rumsfeld argues that the armed forces recruiting goals have been met for the past seven months. But that paints a very deceiving picture of what’s truly going on. Here’s a key statistic from the Perry report:
A year from now, the combination of fewer than needed recruits and fewer than needed reenlistments in the junior grades could result in a significant “hollowing†and imbalance in the Army, both active and reserve. Based on DoD’s monthly manpower report by grade, the Army already has a deficit of some 18,000 personnel in its junior enlisted grades (E1-E4). Even if it meets its recruiting and retention goals, the Army is projected to be short some 30,000 soldiers (not including stop loss) by the end of FY2006.
Junior enlisted officers, those who are taking on the brunt of the physical fighting, are not reenlisting at nearly the same rate as senior officers. This spells long-term trouble for the Army. What’s Rumsfeld’s response to this damaging information? Claim ignorance and blame Clinton. Rumsfeld, 1/25/06:
It’s interesting — I haven’t read the report. I’ll have to do that. Yeah, I mean, these are the people, basically — who did that report — who were here in the ’90s. And what we’re doing is trying to adjust what was left us to fit the 21st century.
Perhaps if Rumsfeld reads the report, he’ll realize the reenlistment problem is a result of Iraq, not Clinton. Sadly for our troops, they continue to go to war with the Secretary of Defense they have, not the Secretary of Defense they wish to have.
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Notice he used the word Century.
January 26th, 2006 at 5:57 pmHe’s gone over the bend.
January 26th, 2006 at 5:59 pmI will say this, he did get lucky in Afghanistan. If we had better poker players in this administration, and had stood pat there…
His ideas are all pipe dreams that just happened to prove effective in Afghanistan, they don’t work in Iraq and they won’t work anywhere else.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:02 pm“It’s interesting — I haven’t read the report. I’ll have to do that.”
I’ll get right on that. Btw, have you seen my pecker?
– Ronald Dumbsfeld, personal traitor to the stars
January 26th, 2006 at 6:02 pmActually in Afghanistan the executed a plan already developed under the Clinton administration, with a fighting force shaped by lessons learned in Somalia and Bosnia.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:03 pmI should add, the force in Afghanistan was Clinton’s army. Bush/Rumsfeld had done none of their “transformation” by that point. In Iraq, however, that was pure Rummy. Maneuver attacks, using recon forces to run through ambushes, and outsourcing to private security contractors. That is Rumsfeld’s new army.
Not the army we wish we had, is it?
January 26th, 2006 at 6:05 pmFrom the touts of the Right, Clinton is their God. They blame him for everything that goes wrong, and only themselves when something goes right…
January 26th, 2006 at 6:11 pmHe’s in serious need of shock therapy and a reality check.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:11 pmSo what he’s actually admitting to ( and it’s not like him to leave an opening this large) is that the Clinton Army worked wonderfully in the “Shock and Awe” Iraq War he so fondly likes to take credit for. I only wish that could have been brought to his attention right after he made his intentionally less than complimentary connection to the previous administration.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:16 pmanyone remember the “Peace Dividend“?
It’s gone into thin air now, along with the lives and limbs of thousands of our soldiers.
You’re doing a heckuva job, Rummy.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:17 pmIt was only a matter of time before the Clinton excuse was invoked. The Man is amazing to still weild such power five years after leaving office. However, it’s not Bill’s army now and hasn’t been for some time…
Heck of a job Rummy.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:19 pmZing!
January 26th, 2006 at 6:25 pmRummy is a Dummy!
January 26th, 2006 at 6:45 pmI’m a conservative Republican, and an soldier in the Army. The only reason I enter these sites occasionally is to antagonize you people. However, on this topic, there is no arguement. Rumsfeld is totally out to frigging lunch. He can blame whoever he wants, but the fact is, the Army is hurting. I can personnally atest to this. I don’t know about the Navy, Marines, and Air Force. But as far the Army, we are strung-the-hell-out, especially those of us in combat jobs. Too many deployments over too little time. Too many deaths. I’ve seen way too many cases of PTSD, and way too many broken families. We try and keep our chins up, and morale isn’t nearly as bad as the pukes in the mass media usually report. But, we cannot take much more of this. I wish our SecDef would realize this.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:47 pmActually in Afghanistan the executed a plan already developed under the Clinton administration, with a fighting force shaped by lessons learned in Somalia and Bosnia.
Comment by cynical ex-hippie
You are absolutely right, Cynical.
See the Frontline episode Rumsfeld’s war on PBS or you can even watch it on line. It was a CIA plan.
Pissed off trooper,
The only reason I enter these sites occasionally is to antagonize you people.
Hehe.
We don’t mind. We are used to it.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:52 pmGlad to hear a voice from the troops! And glad to hear it confirms what the report says. The civilian leadership of the pentagon has no earthly idea what war and being a soldier is about.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWe try and keep our chins up, and morale isn’t nearly as bad as the pukes in the mass media usually report. But, we cannot take much more of this. I wish our SecDef would realize this.
I don’t see that. Morale is usually quite high. We all are behind you and know you are in a terrible position, But we also know for you and your buds, it’s simple: stay alive, keep each other alive and complete the mission and come home safely. It’s not you we are mad at, or against. You should know that.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:56 pmNo it wasn’t Clinton you dimwit. It was the chimp who invaded Afganistan and Iran. Impeach the bastards.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:57 pmI didn’t mean to make it sound like it’s simple to achieve, either, but it’s stated simply. That’s all I meant. I’m just glad my only son is out. He was 1/75 Ranger’s, Served in the 90’s. The Army is the Army whoever the hell is in office.
January 26th, 2006 at 6:58 pmEven if it meets its recruiting and retention goals, the Army is projected to be short some 30,000 soldiers (not including stop loss) by the end of FY2006.
Damn those Quakers! I think we should wire tap them!!!
January 26th, 2006 at 6:58 pm#14, speaking of “pukes,” you are now what Rush Limbuagh would call a staff puke. perhaps you and your republican ilk might consider holding your leadership accountable for a few things, rather than blaming Clinton for everything and impugning that people including many liberals who have legitimate concerns about the direction of our country are AL Queda sympathizers.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:04 pmHow exactly does Rumsfield keep his job? Any one that out of touch with thier business in the private sector, would have been fired by the board of directors at this point.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:06 pmBrando,
I didn’t hear him bash Clinton.
I think he was sincere.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:06 pmTrooper,
I hear you man, I have friends who are over there, or have been over there. Everytime I hear something bad I wonder if they got killed.
Good luck and God bless you. come home safe.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:07 pmKrazny,
Rummy keeps his job because we can’t have a reversal of a Bush decision. He’s infallible, like Gen. Custer, or the Pope.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pmRummy should not be in charge of a bake sale, much less the Pentagon. Where’s all that unaccounted for cash again? Got body armor?
January 26th, 2006 at 7:10 pmGen. Custer as portrayed by Richard Mulligan in Little Big Man
General Custer: A Custer decision impetuous! GRANT called me impetuous, too. The drunkard. Sitting there in the White House! Calling ME impetuous!
General Custer: You came up here to kill me, didn’t you? And you lost your nerve. Well, I was correct. In a sense, you are a renegade, but you are no Cheyenne Brave. Do I hang you? I think not. Get out of here.
Jack Crabb: You’re not going to hang me.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:10 pmGeneral Custer: Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision.
I think this shows even more how Bush holds loyalty over compatence.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:15 pmTrooper, listen, i’m sorry if my comment was #21 was snappy and antagonistic. I respect you and am thankful for everything you and all enlisted men and women do. But it’s high time for the troops and the American People to realize that Republicans are NOT acting, despite all there lofty hourseshit rhetoric, in the best interest of the troops or the country for that matter.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:16 pmHow about GOT RECEIPT? Cause we’re gonna get the bill.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:19 pmWasn’t the war going to be over in a few weeks and cost less than 50 billion dollars?
The Bush Cabal is doing a heckuva job. What a feckless, toothless bunch of idjets.
FAQ’s at rightwingnews
January 26th, 2006 at 7:22 pmChina and Iran warm to Russian nuclear proposal
Lindsay Beck and Ben Blanchard
Thu Jan 26,
BEIJING (Reuters) – China and Iran expressed support on Thursday for a Russian proposal to resolve Tehran’s standoff with Western governments which suspect it of secretly planning to build a nuclear bomb.
Top Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, on a one-day trip to Beijing to seek China’s support, said the Russian proposal — that Iran’s uranium fuel be enriched on Russian soil rather than in Iran — needed further discussion
January 26th, 2006 at 7:24 pmI can personnally atest to this. I don’t know about the Navy, Marines, and Air Force. But as far the Army, we are strung-the-hell-out, especially those of us in combat jobs.
Comment by Pissed off trooper — January 26, 2006 @ 6:47 pm
I’m sure you can attest to this, and in our realm, you would be taken seriously – not antagonized.
So, if you can attest to this instant, then what about the others in here who can attest to other issues? Why is yours more valid that ours? Just because we are liberals?
If you want us to accept your experiences as valid, perhaps you should consider accepting ours as valid in retrun. You know, instead of just seeing us as liberal nuts to anagonized like a school boy throwing stones at the other primates at the zoo? A good many of us used to be conservatives like you. There’s a reason we’re not anymore. And your experiences in the Army are the tip of that iceberg… Just think about it. We’re always wrong except just this once when you agree with us?
January 26th, 2006 at 7:24 pmIronic isn’t it?
Russia is now the great Peacemaker?
January 26th, 2006 at 7:24 pmA good many of us used to be conservatives like you.
Comment by unbelievable — January 26, 2006 @ 7:24 pm
Yep, I was once as well.
Top Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, on a one-day trip to Beijing to seek China’s support, said the Russian proposal — that Iran’s uranium fuel be enriched on Russian soil rather than in Iran — needed further discussion
Comment by WORFEUS — January 26, 2006 @ 7:24 pm
That’s Nukular!
January 26th, 2006 at 7:36 pmRumsfeld needs a refresher course of diversion 101.
Karl, where are you???
January 26th, 2006 at 7:39 pmHmm how to divert the American public, oh I know start a war. Oh wait we don’t have a military that can do that.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:48 pmBush is no conservative.
Look at the massive increase in the size of government programs, personnel, debt, and deficit. Look at his invasion of a country that posed no threat to us. Look at his steady dismantling of Constitutional checks and balances and construction of an imperial-style presidency — surely something conservatives (of all people!) should be up in arms against!
I just can’t understand why the average voter who identifies him/herself as “conservative” doesn’t see that.
Just because Bush is supposedly against liberalism — a word that is supposed to inflict fear in, well, us liberals, of which I am PROUD to be one — doesn’t mean he’s a conservative.
January 26th, 2006 at 7:53 pmPS: I voted for Reagan!
January 26th, 2006 at 7:54 pmPut Rummy out to pasture.
January 26th, 2006 at 8:14 pmHe is incapable of speaking without lying and blaming someone else for his miscalculations. He is dangerous not only to the military, but to the nation.
PS: I voted for Reagan!
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer
Yeah, I voted for Reagan, the first time, not the 2nd time. If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn’t have the first time.
January 26th, 2006 at 8:16 pmThe Secretary of Defense has NOT READ reports from the Pentagon and a predecessor?! Outrageously ignorant and/or incompetent.
January 26th, 2006 at 8:17 pmThese liars need a new alibi — they have said “I haven’t read it” so often now, they are appearing as inept and incompetent as they truly are.
I never voted for Reagan!
January 26th, 2006 at 8:18 pmThere is a saying for a person like Rumsfield, it gos like this:
January 26th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Trooper, listen, i’m sorry if my comment was #21 was snappy and antagonistic. I respect you and am thankful for everything you and all enlisted men and women do. But it’s high time for the troops and the American People to realize that Republicans are NOT acting, despite all there lofty hourseshit rhetoric, in the best interest of the troops or the country for that matter.
Comment by Brando
Well put, Brando.
Never piss off the troops. We might need them to evict some clown from the WH someday.
January 26th, 2006 at 8:29 pmNever piss off the troops. We might need them to evict some clown from the WH someday.
Comment by G. Gordon Giddy — January 26, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
Excellent point… The White House thinks the military is loyal to them. Big surprise wingnuts, you didn’t take care of your troops and now they are seeing through your lies as well… Who’s gonna stop the angry mobs now???
The U.S. Government called my house relatively early this morning (I had left for work). Wonder if I’m getting an audit or worse…
January 26th, 2006 at 8:47 pm[...] Sadly for our troops, they continue to go to war with the Secretary of Defense they have, not the Secretary of Defense they wish to have. [...]
January 26th, 2006 at 9:08 pmOff topic, but worth the scenic detour…
Sen. John Kerry will attempt a filibuster to stop Judge Samuel Alito becoming a Supreme Court justice. “Judge Alito’s confirmation would be an ideological coup on the Supreme Court,” Kerry said, but some senior Democrats are worried the move could backfire. The filibuster effectively extends debate to block a vote, but Republicans believe they will have enough votes to prevent a filibuster.
source: http://www.cnn.com
January 26th, 2006 at 9:21 pmSomeone above mentioned the “Peace Dividend,” and it is true that during that period the US reduced its troop levels. The effect of those reductions did carry forth into the GWB administration, but I believe it was Rumsfeld who, prior to 9/11, was calling for even further troop reductions as part of a leaner, meaner fighting force. Am I out to lunch here, or does someone else remember this?
Beyond that, no one but an idiot would enter a war — particularly and elective war — with insufficient forces. So, if we’re to believe Rummy now, he and GWB chose to go to war with insufficient troops. Hmm… I seem to recall a few military men (now ex-military men) saying exactly that, but only us cowardly, unpatriotic types were listening.
Bottom line. Bushco botched just about everything immediately after the real “war” was over (when the Iraqi forces were defeated) and refused to adjust to the realities on the ground as they unfolded. I don’t think they ever planned to have this many troops in Iraq this long. They thought they could fight this thing on the cheap. So much for that reality.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:24 pmThe reason they are talking nabout Iran has alot more to do with the fact that the Iranians are going to bring a new Oil exchange online in March 2006, the big money players don’t want competition for the two that now control all oil sold on the international market, The New York Merchantile Exchange and The London Petrolium Exchange who both price oil in dollars, but the Iranians plan to price oil in euros, which incendently is exactly what Sadam did in 2000.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:31 pmBy Robert S. Norris and Hans M. Kristensen
January/February 2006 pp. 68-71 (vol. 62, no. 1) © 2005 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
ifteen years after the end of the Cold War, the United States continues to spend billions of dollars annually to maintain and upgrade its nuclear forces. It is deploying a larger and more accurate preemptive nuclear strike capability in the Asia-Pacific region, and shifting its doctrine toward targeting U.S. strategic nuclear forces against “weapons of mass destruction” complexes and command centers.
As of January 2006, the U.S. stockpile contains almost 10,000 nuclear warheads. This includes 5,735 active or operational warheads: 5,235 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads. Approximately 4,225 additional warheads are held in the reserve or inactive stockpiles, some of which will be dismantled. Under plans announced by the Energy Department in June 2004 (and possibly revised in spring 2005), some 4,365 warheads are scheduled to be retired for dismantlement by 2012 (see Nuclear Notebook, September/October 2004).
January 26th, 2006 at 9:40 pm
January 26th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
During the last QDR just prior to 9/11, Rumsfeld was actually calling for a reduction in the number of U.S. Army divisions.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:52 pmTrooper, I wish you all were on home soil and hope you return safely soon. Sadly you are required to do a job dictated by a drunk, power hungry, druggie. Our service men and women should be treated far better than the nut job that sent you over there. Bush and Rumsfeld along with the rest of this administration are just plain crazies. Know many of us are working hard to bring good change to our country and the removal of the misfits running it. I don’t care if your a Rep. or Dem. you are one of our’s and that’s enough for me…….Blessings Sir and stay safe.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI notice here time and time again the acceptance of other views(NO! not like the Trolls; but others like Trooper.)
Contrast that with other sites, meaning conservative, and you get a lot of hatred and quick banning.
I have a good friend who is about to be deployed. 40, 3 kids, wife, doesn’t want to go, still staunch Bushie. I listen to his political rants, but don’t rebuke him. Why? Because I accept his difference of opinion, yet know he would never respect my dissent.
I feel that is the great difference between us and keeps us from bipartisanship.
This is why Repub’s win time and time again.
My heart goes out to Trooper, but I have nothing but condemnation for the Bush Empire.
I also greatly fear for our future, because the Army sets up their table twice a week now at our schools. My daughter and I fear for all of her male friends… and now female… that could potentially be drafted in a couple of years; seeing how the military is sooo stretched thin.
I’ve never thought of my daughter’s disability as a good thing, but at least it will keep her out of this crap.
We are really at a precipice of time. Because of the idiot who’s in charge, I feel we are doomed to fall off. He MUST be stopped, and soon.
BTW: Haven’t been able to post for a while… because my comp. became INSTANTLY slow when I placed an order outside the US. It’s unbearable. Scumbag traitors.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:21 pmMy 2 cents worth.
Is it Faiz’s position that nothing is ever Clinton’s fault? Rumsfeld simply stated a fact – Clinton undermined the military.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:22 pmTrue Blue —
This site, like a lot of other left-wing sites, you get a lot of hatred and quick banning. Conservative sites by contrast are usually much more civl and thoughtful. You had it backwards.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:24 pmIs it Faiz’s position that nothing is ever Clinton’s fault? Rumsfeld simply stated a fact – Clinton undermined the military.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:26 pmTrue Blue —
This site, like a lot of other left-wing sites, you get a lot of hatred and quick banning. Conservative sites by contrast are usually much more civl and thoughtful. You had it backwards.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:26 pmJanuary 26th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Excellent point… The White House thinks the military is loyal to them. Big surprise wingnuts, you didn’t take care of your troops and now they are seeing through your lies as well… Who’s gonna stop the angry mobs now???
The U.S. Government called my house relatively early this morning (I had left for work). Wonder if I’m getting an audit or worse…
Comment by unbelievable
Yikes! Did they leave a message?
Maybe they have money for you.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:40 pmJ.A. I don’t know if what you say about Clinton undermining the military is true or not. Would have to do some research. I do know the following. Clinton is a diplomat, is and was respected all over the world. Our country was in great shape financialy, lot’s of jobs and aside from a few minor problems we were in one of our best of times. Clintons adminestration even left a large surplus when he left office. Don’t you think because Clinton was a good diplomat and not an extreme waramonger there was not the need for a massive military build up. Another interesting point, Bush and company were told over and over about the Bush buddy BenLauden being a threat and they ignored it. And finelly 9/11 happened on the Bush watch ( how convient ) and all the fear threats arrive so very conviently since. Katrina was a weather or global warming incident and it took Bush 4 day’s to respond. I don’t feel safer and I not scared, but that’s because I am old, no family left and a good shot. I am glad for you if you think things are better under Bush, somewhere I would never want to be. LOL, LOL, LOL…..
January 26th, 2006 at 10:41 pmJack Off has to keep posting to get his comment out, prematurely…
January 26th, 2006 at 10:42 pmClinton did not undermine the military, Sharon. Lies is all they have.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:42 pmThere is no difference between the soviet communist propaganda from the cold war era and the right wing nut bushco propaganda of today. Same complete lies and rhetorical bullshit, half-truthiness and sloganeering.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:45 pmG.Gordon, I didn’t think he did either but was trying to be a little diplomatic my self, untill the end of my speal that is. Ha Ha…..Blessings
January 26th, 2006 at 10:48 pmJack off.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:48 pmread this.
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top
#66 Sharon, I think you were one of us who expressed skepticism on the bin Laden tape last week – have you seen this? Were we on to something? Apparently others around the world are as skeptical.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:50 pmhttp://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=10544
J A Bramoff,
Did you bother reading Avenging Angels link to the Washingotn Post?
Washington Post
August 9, 2001
Rumsfeld Mulls Two Options: Status Quo or 10% Military Cut
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is weighing two sharply differing proposals for the future shape of the armed forces, including one from his civilian subordinates that would substantially cut the military, Pentagon officials said yesterday.
So, when Bush and pasl got into office. They were on the same exact page as Clinton and friends.
DO a little reading next time, you won’t look so stupid.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:50 pmWrong, only two people have ever been banned form this site, since I started posting here ages ago.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:51 pmSharon,
All the cuts Clinton implemented were proposed by Cheney as SecDef and the other neocons themselves during Bush I and would have happened sooner and more severely had Clinton not been elected.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:52 pmWrong, only two people have ever been banned form this site, since I started posting here ages ago.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
And one of them was one of our most outspoken liberal/progressive posters.
Never trust a Republican Bushco troll, Sharon. Whatever they say, the opposite is most likely true. If they say up, they mean down, etc.
You can take that to the bank.
January 26th, 2006 at 10:54 pmWhen everything else fails the Republicans blame Bill Clinton > lol. They blame him for everything, but they never blame the idiot fool George Bush Junior! Someday they will be forced to realize that Dubya caused everything bad!
January 26th, 2006 at 10:57 pmNo Freedom and every one else, your post and knowing about all this shit for years and also knowing about the nut jobs in our administration are why I spend so much time trying to get them out of office. I lived out of Bayview, Idaho on Lake Pend’orelle for years and subs were tested there because of the depth of the lake. Interesting. The thought of these madmen having the red button under their fingers makes me fear for our planet in General and all people on earth. Theres no reasoning with drunks, druggies and power hungry people…..Blessings
January 26th, 2006 at 11:00 pmIsn’t this the same old ” psot 9/11 world view” nonsense that Rove spouts ? it is always a new century , new world etc… SOunds likea Project For New American Cemtury to me
January 26th, 2006 at 11:02 pmSharon Cox — dont blame me, I voted for President KERRY.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:04 pmBy the way ,Who did you vote for?
January 26th, 2006 at 11:05 pmSo, I go the craziest one today from my mom the card carrying republican. We were talking about Terry Cooper, the Kansas State University sophmore who stump Bush on Monday about his $12.7 billion education budget cut.
One question leads to another and so on until she hits me with this one.
Ready?
Yes, you read that right. My heart completely sank and I told her that we were done talking. My mom is a zombie. Oy.
There was a glimmer of hope after Katrina hit, but then she went back to church and learned to forgive Bush, Brown and FEMA for their mistakes.
I am truly scared for this countries future.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:06 pmThat should be “country’s”
January 26th, 2006 at 11:06 pmMe too Spudgeboy, Me Too.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:08 pmBlame CLinton? Duh.
Rumsfeld is the guy who when people were applauding Bush I for the iraq I victory he made it perfectly clear that a president fights wars with his predecessors army. After Afghanistan Al Franken famously asked him how it felt to win a war with Clinton’s army. The answer F U. Or was that Cheany? I can’t remember, either way the story is hilarious.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:09 pmBy the way, Cut and paste, print it, spread it out for ALL to see. Show it to your Pastors, etc,,,Get the Message OUT.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:10 pm
January 26th, 2006 at 11:10 pm
Well the good news is all those young republicans who love the President so much are now going to get to serve him.
Because I sense we will be looking at a draft within the year.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:12 pmhttp://www.thebulletin.org/ article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris#top
January 26th, 2006 at 11:12 pmthere we go. got it right this time.
January 26th, 2006 at 11:14 pmGonna try to answer all your good posts before I go ny, ny. I have always voted Democratic except once. I voted for Perot. As I said many times I am a bleeding heart libral, raised by a dear great grand mother who was the same. She and I are a lot alike, with one exception she was a kind christian lady and I am a forgiving witch. I don’t care how people vote in general, told all the people I have helped to register. ” I don’t care how you vote, just vote. It is my opinion however when we make mistakes we need to change direction. When we find our country in the grips of massive evil people we have to get them out of office. I have no respect for any of this bunch or the people who are still following them and preaching their war and hate. There is lots of information out there to prove how bad they are and common sence should tell the public it’s time for WE THE PEOPLE to take our country back. I don’t spend much time with people that don’t think the way I do and in my small group we are all trying to do what’s best for the country, enviroment, wildlife and people. I must tell you all as I said before I have the most respect for our military, no matter what their politics are. By that I mean the one’s on the ground doing the dirty work for Bull S*** Bush. Note, I would and will always refere to the military as Sir or Mam. Bush does not deserve my respect and would spit in his face if lucky enough to see his ugly face. Finelly..Unbelievable, are you sure.? Maybe a prank. Marie, yep! last week I said I figured it was a bush, benLauden ploy or Rove, Cheney scare tactick to get out minds off going after this regeme for the spying. Tried to bring up the site, my puter crashed so will try again tomottow. My iMac is a little tired to day, spent hours trying to stop the right wing nut job Alito….Blessings.P.S. Marie I was the one who brought up the hiding in plain sight also, perhaps Crawford.? Any body looked yet.? Ha Ha!
January 26th, 2006 at 11:43 pmPlease forgive the length and typos of my last post everyone. I am not a good speller or composer. I am however a crack shot and ready to help cover your backs if needed….Blessings
January 26th, 2006 at 11:57 pmG. Gordon the soviets also wrote a non-person out of history just like is happening at the white house, by 1930 all reference to Leon Trotsky, Lenins right hand man had been removed after Stalin banished him from the politboro, and Trotsky left the country. Stalin had his minions remove all pics and references from public records, we have to give bushco credit they’re learning fast. Wonder if Delay or Ney are convicted how fast they’ll no longer be any pics of each with the president. If you have any copies handg on to them, they’ll bring a good price on ebay in a few years
January 27th, 2006 at 12:08 amRummy, don’t let those army types tell you things are bad, that’s all bs, just keep on flogging them until morale improves.
January 27th, 2006 at 12:08 amCAN SOMEONE CLOSE THE DOOR?
I’M FEELING A DRAFT COMMING ON.
January 27th, 2006 at 12:28 amThese guys are incredible..literally. You CANNOT believe a word they say. I have, however, figured out a way to see if they’re lying..are their mouths open?
The whole world is laughing at this pitiful administration. And so are we..Check this out..
January 27th, 2006 at 12:57 amFirst: Doug Kilgore;
Did you mean Century or Cemetary, or a combination of both seen as either seems applicable right now?
Second: J A Bramoff, strikes me as being someone intending to spoof the rightwing. A joke in other words. Particularly when you consider: Jack Abramoff.
January 27th, 2006 at 4:47 amWith all due respect, the first phrase in paragraph five makes no sense. No such thing as “junior enlisted officers.” There are enlisted ranks (soldiers and NCOs) and commissioned ranks (officers).
January 27th, 2006 at 6:21 amComment by Bruce Gorton
All winger trolls are indistinguishable from parody or self-parody.
With all due respect, the first phrase in paragraph five makes no sense. No such thing as “junior enlisted officers.â€
True. However, we have no idea how many battlefield commissions are being awarded out there. They tend to increase when troops are on… the battlefield. More than a few, I’d bet. It should be clarified, but we know what he meant.
January 27th, 2006 at 6:44 amPlease forgive the length and typos of my last post everyone. I am not a good speller or composer. I am however a crack shot and ready to help cover your backs if needed….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
No problem, Sharon.
Spellcheckers are easy to come by, and you probably already have one. I’m too lazy to use them.
January 27th, 2006 at 6:47 am“I just can’t imagine someone looking at the United States armed forces today and suggesting that they’re close to breaking. That’s just not the case.â€
I thought I ordered the medium rare prime rib…
- Sec of Def Duuumb Rumsfeld
This guy tries to blame Clinton when reports say the military is overstretched…
Yet doesn’t even mention Clinton when talk centers around how wonderfully, masterfully and skillfully the military is doing its job in Afghanistan and Iraq…
…or how potent the military is when threatening Iran…
I have one question for Dummy…
“If Clinton left you with such a “gutted” military, then why in the sam hill would you rush them into a “war” of choice?”
…You certainly didn’t do it as a response to a dire threat from toothless Saddam (and you knew they were toothless)…
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, L’il Dick, Bushiva and the lot are disastrous traitors and America MUST give them their just desserts…
Do not let them leave public life without freezing their assets and dismantling them personally, professionally and please make it publicly…
January 27th, 2006 at 7:57 amI second that G Gordon. I’ll run my work stuff through spellcheck. Gotta be profesional and all, but I will not spell check my blog postings.
My time is worth more than that & I’m not that anal about appearing to be perfect. I’m not.
January 27th, 2006 at 10:09 amG.Gordon, I appreciate your comments, however, I don’t have and can’t seem to get the spell check installed on this old iMac. The people who owned my gift before me were educators and had it blocked, isn’t that funny. Took the puter in for service last year and the service man could not figure out the problem and my ip doesn’t provide it either. I am the owner of a fine dictionarey but usualy don’t get it up and running. Again please forgive, no excuses just fact’s……Blessings
January 27th, 2006 at 10:27 amSharon, google Mozilla Foxfire, it is a web broser like explorer and they have spellcheck in one of their tool bars, plus is easier, at least I think so.
January 27th, 2006 at 10:53 amOnly Republicans have a post-9/11 mindset, because only Republicans were completely unaware of terrorism before 9/11.
That would explain a lot wouldn’t it? Arming al Qaeda in the 1980s, preoccupation with sex in the 1990s, then suddenly 9/11 makes them say oh I guess there are terrorists out there. Too bad Bush was on vacation instead of doing his job, I like the pre-9/11 Republicans a lot better.
January 27th, 2006 at 11:25 amThank’s Clif, will try to find that soon……Blessings
January 27th, 2006 at 2:13 pmYikes! Did they leave a message?
Maybe they have money for you.
Comment by G. Gordon Giddy — January 26, 2006 @ 10:40 pm
No message, but after getting my W-2 today, I could use some money. Do you personally know anyone who has ever gotten money from the government? In my case, they always take…
January 27th, 2006 at 2:45 pmDo you personally know anyone who has ever gotten money from the government? In my case, they always take…
Comment by unbelievable
Believe it or not, most states have a dept. that tracks down folks who have money coming to them from all sorts of places like bank accounts they forgot about or stock dividends they lost track of or even inheritances from estranged relatives… prolly not this Federal admin, though…
January 27th, 2006 at 3:27 pmHere’s a story about it in the Sacto Bee.
January 27th, 2006 at 3:30 pmAll this…. All of it…the WAR -the Anthrax attacks-the fall of the towers is a Light & smoke show. Constructed & manipulated by powerful & geedy individuals & their corprate allies. to get their hands on as much loot as possible. trillions in oil revenues or realocated iraq & katrina spending.i’m not mistaken in this. everywhere you look, you see…abuses of our laws & wide spread corruption.I know that if this continues i will realize the loss of the ozone layer,death of the oceans & the fleesing & destruction of the middle class in america & possibly the rest of the world. because the middle class is the single entity who has traditionaly stood in their way. the problem is as long as middle america is distracted into complacencey. it will maintain a huge capacity for abuse…. America needs to unite. as long as were kept devided no harm will come to the corrupt. we need strong senate / house leadership & genuine invetigations as a ralling point.to rebalance the beauracrcy & supply it with ligitimate oversight.
January 27th, 2006 at 4:03 pmhey, that’s Firefox, not “Foxfire.” I use and recommend this browser.
On another note, i find it interesting that anyone is still surprised by anything this administration does. Alarmed would be a better term… that alarm has been going off for me ever since the *LACK* of a thorough 9/11 investigation, and the blatant destruction of crucial evidence, and witholding of crucial information.
“Executive Priveledge” – “getting to do whatever you want with no consequenses.”
January 27th, 2006 at 4:36 pmgoogle “killtown” or “infowars” or “prisonplanet” …or just don’t bother if you’re a lemming with a predisposition for “sheepness.”
January 27th, 2006 at 4:46 pmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
Rummies war on internet
January 27th, 2006 at 8:49 pmInformation Operations Roadmap
Yeah right. When was the last time a Donk really worried about the army? They ought to be worried about the future of the Democratic Party it seems to me. Talk about incompetent leadership…sheesh…
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill are privately bristling over Howard Dean’s management of the Democratic National Committee and have made those sentiments clear after new fundraising numbers showed he has spent nearly all the committee’s cash and has little left to support their efforts to gain seats this cycle, ROLL CALL reports.
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March 11th, 2006 at 9:06 amBack a long time ago, a dictator was preparing to invade neighboring countries. The US did nothing. Step after step, small country after small country was gobbled up. The US did nothing.
The US was dragged into war anyways, and lost 400,000 lives. The incompetent Democrat president that didn’t go to war when it could have been won cheaply was Franklin D. Roosevelt.
In 1943 a tame Democrat Senator, a meaningless machine candidate, was sent around to look for inefficiency in the war effort. He found a lot, and based on his findings, he had US 155 millimeter artillery production stopped for a year, because too much had been shipped to North Africa. The US suffered 50,000 added casualties in Italy and Normandy because 76mm (3 inch) shells were substituted, but were not as effective as the 155mm shels that were not allowed to be produced. The tame senator: Harry S Truman.
Recently, a dictator was under sanctions from previous unsuccessful invasions, and so soon as he was able to get the sanctions dropped, was preparing to invade neighboring countries. The US, led by President Bush stopped him, invaded his country, put him on trial, and prevented the larger more expensive war that the dictator had hoped for. The US invasion actually occured before the dictator’s WMD programs were able to produce stockpiles of weapons.
And for being a Republican the Democratic Party has never been able to forgive him.
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