50,000.
By on Jan 29th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
50,000.
Number of soldiers the U.S. Army has forced to continue serving after their voluntary stints ended under a policy called “stop-loss,” Reuters reports.
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Where are the right wingers preeching about how all the troops want to be there and that they all volunteered specifically to fight in Iraq.
Wrong!
They are being kept there against the own free will.
Yea! 50,000 more democrats.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI smell 50K pissed off soldiers. Not good for the long-term morale of the Army, eh? Of course, between the environment, deficiet, and now security, it’s clear this Admin doesn’t give a shit about anything more than 3 days into the future….
January 29th, 2006 at 12:33 pmIf you were paying attention today you heard Frist blame part of the spending problem on recruitment(he said it under his breathe all mumbly-like).
January 29th, 2006 at 12:35 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 12:39 pmThis is part of the GOP Contract With America – the part not worth a Tinker’s dam, as are all other parts of that policy.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:42 pm50,000 is more than 1/3 of the total troops in Iraq. That would be one out of every three troops there being held against their will.
Yeah, it is the liberals saying the war is illegal that is causing the low troop morale. Uh huh. I ain’t buying it.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:45 pmunbelievable,
January 29th, 2006 at 12:47 pmI would suggest that you ask that your recent post be removed. It is illegal to threaten the three people you reference with physical harm.
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January 29th, 2006 at 12:51 pmSo, do you think Bob Woodruff will learn anything from the attack on him today?
I would imagine that the media got a big wakeup call about how they report this war. In other words, they’re going to have to realize that they have emboldened the enemy with their inaccurate reporting and they need to get on the side of America and the side of the truth when it comes to the War in Iraq.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWalt, the cat is already out of the bag. Deleting the comment will not change the fact it was already made.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:52 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 12:54 pmGary,
January 29th, 2006 at 12:55 pmIf the press told the full story, the peasants whould be storming Washington, DC with pitchforks.
SpuidgBoy, making threats like that over the Internet is a federal crime. So much for your respect for the rule of law.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:56 pmif the press actually reported the accomplishments in Iraq, such as making their nation more free than ever, and holding election after election, then the people would be behind the war, not against it.
Instead, the Media has insisted for 2 years/10 months that the war was a quagmire.
This reporting has inspired the terrorist attacks on American troops and Iraq.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:57 pmWalt,
unbelievable only said “point their guns” he didn’t say fire on them. The assholes in the White House should just go peacefully as they have never had any serious training. Tails between legs, duck walk.
Quack!
January 29th, 2006 at 12:58 pmOMG, I almost choked on that one. You should be a comedian Gary. You come up with some funny shit.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:59 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 1:01 pmIs Iraq better off now than it was in 2002?
January 29th, 2006 at 1:03 pmGary,
January 29th, 2006 at 1:03 pmThe use of the term “quagmire” is only meant to brighten the picture. It is actually an unmitigated disaster.
Gary conveniently glosses over the “our troops will be home in six months comments, and every other lie told by the administration about the war in Iraq.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:03 pmNo.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:04 pmI don’t think I would consider civil war a better position for any country to be in.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:05 pmSpudgeBoy, “It still doesn’t change the fact that you are a pussy that has never served.”
Prove it. And you can alos explain in detail how it’s legal to threaten to “point a gun” at people in the White House, as unbelievable suggested. HAHA
January 29th, 2006 at 1:05 pmFifty thousand!
January 29th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThat’s a lot of p/o’ed soldiers and families.
Walt, What Spudge said… “Pointing arms” is not a crime. Well, yet.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:07 pmDo Gary Ruppert’s posts make sense to anyone here?
January 29th, 2006 at 1:07 pmwalt…unbelievable said “I think”….not ‘let’s do it’..we can still think, altho bushco is trying control that 24/7. GOOD MORNING THINK PROGRESS!….how rude of me not greed all of the fine folks here. I like your posts,walt,spudge and all.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:08 pmWe defeated Saddam’s army in under a month, and we are smothering the terrorists fighting us in Iraq. We’ve also held three elections.
Some quagmire.
No Administration official ever said anything like that.
There’s no civil war in Iraq, there’s just some terrorists rebelling.
So, being in a nation with no freedom of speech and no elected representatives is better than being in a nation with freedom of speech and democracy?
January 29th, 2006 at 1:08 pmSpudge, by the way, I’m a she… :)
January 29th, 2006 at 1:09 pmBecause you support keeping our troops in harms way. Anybody that has served would never ask their comrades to die for no reason.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:09 pmDoh!
January 29th, 2006 at 1:09 pmthats GREET…OPPS…
January 29th, 2006 at 1:11 pmGary, just replace Giacomo’s name with your own, and read…
Giacomo:
Thank you for providing such a visable example of the clear and present danger faced by America today. You perfectly represent all the brainwashed believers supporting this group of madmen and their napolean wannabe who have engineered another chapter of death, destruction, and tyranny upon world history.
We sit at our computers watching you parrot the myths and lies of the Bushivek ministers of propaganda as if they are unquestionable facts known by you. You speak of our military and war as if you have direct knowledge when the reality is that you have never served in any capacity, much less seen combat. You attribute all motivations and/or actions to good or evil, right or wrong, as though there could be nothing else. That’s a sure nuff giveaway of the religion indoctrinated mentality. Anything we do is good because we are Christian. You won’t admit it, even to yourself, but it leaps off the screen to an open mind.
We who have been there and done that smile inside everytime one of you armchair patriots calls us a hero. I will admit a real moment of pride for the recognition shown to me the day the hung the Navy Cross around my neck, but no one who has survived a war feels like a hero. He’s just damn glad it’s over and he’s alive. And, hell no, he doesn’t want to talk about it. He wants to forget it. He doesn’t want to attempt to tell you what it was like to hold his buddy in his arms, promising to deliver his last words to his wife and kids or his mom, watch the life go out of his eyes, and then go find all the pieces of him so his family will have a whole husband or son to bury. A soldier or a sailor never feels heroic, he just feels scared going in and thankful coming out. There’s nothing heroic about killing and dying.
I haven’t heard anyone call our troops murderers in this war because those opposed to this one know the military is not responsible for what they have been ordered to do. The Iraq invasion and occupation is not being conducted by the military. Cheney and Rumsfeld are in charge of all planning and operations. Bush doesn’t know what is going on there. All he knows is what those two incompetent chicken hawks tell him. I know a lot of guys over there, many I trained. We talk every week. Also, I talk to those coming home on rotation at the base. Here are the facts:
The best estimate of the number of Iraqis killed since we invaded is 150,000 to 180,000. The vast majority of those deaths were noncombatants including children. We have and continue to deliberately target and destroy/kill civilians in order to “get†insurgents among them.
The number of ouside “terrorists†in Iraq is about 2%. The only war there is a civil war between the sunnis and the shiites with us backing the shiites.
There are over 100 attacks and/or bombings every single day upon Our soldiers and civilians.
The infastructure is not being rebuilt. Electricity is available no more than 8 hours a day in the best areas and none in some. The water is not fit to drink, sewers inoperable. Hospitals have almost no basic supplies and the schools are empty for the most part. Few businesses can operate out of fear of attack. People stay home and only go out for necessities.
Billions of dollars delivered for rebuilding have disappeared and there is no investigation. The Iraqi oil that was supposed to pay for rebuilding is flowing less than half of what it was before the invasion.
Our military is not in control of the country and the few Iraqi police and military that have been “trained†are simply thugs getting even and settling old scores.
Iran is pouring money and sending assasin squads to assist the hard core shiite religous leaders coming into power. When we leave, Iraq and Iran will be partners aligned against us and the sunnis will be purged.
That is the real result and conditions after more than three years.
The most amazing part of the true believer mentality is the manner in which they have justified Bush’s war crime of invading a soverign nation that was no threat to us and, in fact, never threatened us. They simply ignore the fact that Bush and company deliberately mislead the nation into authorizing the invasion, with “Oh well, Sadam was evil, so we did a good thing and the Iraqi’s are better off now.â€
Under Sadam, Iraq was the most progressive arab nation, affording more rights and freedoms to women than any other. He had the best medical facilities and schools in the middle east. He was a secularist who denied religious rule, fought against Iran’s attempts to install a dominant shiite religion in his country, and would not allow or aid terrorist organizations. He was an asshole who ruled with an iron fist but primarily because of circumstance. Look what we have now that we have “saved†the country.
And, where the hell is the guy responsible for 9/11? On the few ocassions anyone has asked, Bush say “ben hiden.†He once told us he didn’t think about him anymore. Doesn’t that bother you people? Can’t you see that Bush doesn’t want to catch him? He needs the boogey man out there to maintain the fear.
I loved your take on Afghanistan and the “oil†they have. What oil? They have the path for the natural gas pipeline Haliburton is building to the sea. Afghanistan’s industry is poppy! Our troops have been ordered to look the other way and allow the poppy fields to flourish openly. No democracy has been established there. The warlords who have always been in power have been elected or appointed.
All of my information comes from the boots on the ground. Many I have known for years. Where does your’s come from?
Comment by SEAL — January 28, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
January 29th, 2006 at 1:12 pmNo we didn’t, we disbanded his army, who are now insurgents. You really are stupid.
Here, read it for yourself. Or will your partisan brain keep you from clicking.
CNN
February 7, 2003
http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/07/se.01.html
Another pearl of wisdom.
Terrrorists don’t rebel, insurgents do. Retard.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:15 pmYeah, right. Try it and see what happens.
SpudgeBoy, are you saying no veterans or active duty military support the action to liberate Iraq? HAHAHAHAHA You’re very funny.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:17 pmNope, not anymore.
And once again, typing Hah ah ah aha ha after you posts makes you sound like a pyscho.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:18 pmWe made it to Baghdad in a month.
As for the former members of Saddam’s army, some of them are in the terrorist gangs.
But, we rolled over them in a month anyways. No matter what you wanna claim in your anti-America hysteria.
He didn’t claim that “our troops will be home in six months”, he just said that we could end the conflict in less than six months. And that actually happened. But, a newer conflict with the terrorists we’re fighting in the War on Terror started soon afterwards.
The people blowing up innocents in Iraq are not insurgents, they are terrorists who are rebelling against their new government.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:19 pmAll I can say is wow, you are really out there. You don’t even know what the proper terms are for what is going on, so I am done with you.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:21 pmProper terms in your POV are the leftist buzzwords.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:22 pmSpudgeboy, none? Not a single veteran or active duty member of the military supports the action in Iraq now? Is that your assertion here today? Because it’s such an obviously nutty statement.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:22 pmGary said -
So, being in a nation with no freedom of speech and no elected representatives is better than being in a nation with freedom of speech and democracy?
Gary, that’s the problem. America has become a nation with no freedom of speech and no elected representatives. With W ignoring Congress and federal laws plus having stolen the elections of 2000 and 2004, the United States has ceased to exist.
Iraq is not a nation as well – the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds are at odds and civil war is rampart there.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIt’s still an unmitigated disaster.
Here Gary, see if you can gain knoweldge.
in·sur·gent
adj.
Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.
They ARE insurgents you moron.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:24 pmSpudgeboy, none? Not a single veteran or active duty member of the military supports the action in Iraq now? Is that your assertion here today? Because it’s such an obviously nutty statement.
Comment by Jack — January 29, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
Never use infinites Jack.
All
Always
Never
It doesn’t work, because there are always exceptions to the rule. Yes, you are correct, there are a few brainwashed ex military people that support the illegal war in Iraq, but they are few and far between.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:26 pmSeems pretty cut and dry to me.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:27 pmquestion, ‘do trolls really think they are going to ‘change someones mind’ with the facts looking us all in the face? Help your dictators trolls, by helping them pack up and get ready to leave.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:27 pmBatpoop crazy:
January 29th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Spudgboy said,
Later he said,
Just plain nuts.
By the way, there is nothing illegal about the liberation of Iraq.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:31 pmLying to the world to go to war in Iraq was illegal. It will be part of the impeachment hearings.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:33 pmNow we can all sit back, relax, and watch Spudgeboy completely fail to back up his idiotic assertion that only a small fringe of those who have served support the action to liberate Iraq.
He’ll probably, in typical liberal fashion, just continue the name-calling instead of even trying to back it up. Watch…
January 29th, 2006 at 1:35 pmBesides, this thread is about 50,000 soldiers who have been converted to Democrats by the fact that the Army can’t get any new recruits because NOBODY but stupid zombie republicans support this war.
So Gary and Jack, go sign up. You are desperately needed.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:35 pmThe Democrats are the ones lying about the war. It’s not illegal, but it is unpatriotic.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:36 pmJack,
January 29th, 2006 at 1:37 pmBut true. Think back to Plumegate, that translator terminated because she revealed that the intelligence services were populated with Saudi and Syrian agents and more recently, James Hansen – chastized for telling the truth about global warming.
Deleted
January 29th, 2006 at 1:38 pm“the fact that the Army can’t get any new recruits”
Really, Spudgeboy? Thre’s that word “any” again. The Army isn’t getting any new recruits? Not one? You are a real comedian. Or a schizophrenic, one or the other. HEHE
January 29th, 2006 at 1:40 pmHow does it feel to be such a traitor Spudgeboy? Now where is your evidence? Put up or shut up.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:41 pmThey aren’t getting the levels they need. You can argue symantics all day if you would like, but it doesn’t change the fact that Bush is bringin gthis country down.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pmDo Gary Ruppert’s posts make sense to anyone here?
Comment by Marie — January 29, 2006
I’m relieved, I thought it was just me. Not that they’ve ever made a lot of sense, but I was actually doing double takes this time.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pmAnd this is why nobody will ever take you serious at this web site.
Bye.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:43 pm“And this is why nobody…”
But just a few minute ago, you said no one should use a word like “nobody.”
Spudgeboy is high-larious!!
January 29th, 2006 at 1:48 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 1:51 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 1:55 pmRghtPunch would still rather call names that make an argument. Whatever floats your boat.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:58 pmGary, you said:
The people blowing up innocents in Iraq are not insurgents, they are terrorists who are rebelling against their new government.
Tell me, if a foreign army invaded the U.S. and occupied it, including: indiscriminate shooting, bombing, detention, torture, house and business break-ins, contamination with depleted uranium, and other assorted horrors, would you hide under the bed the whole time or resist the occupation army and its political puppets?
I think I know the answer, but I have to ask.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:00 pmDon is implicitly comparing the United States with Iraq under Saddam Hussein. How utterly unpatriotic.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:01 pmWould the War of 1812 offer a parallel Don? Seems that we beat the Brit’s butts in that one.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:02 pmJack,
You’ve not made one single argument yourself.
Pointing out Spudge’s use of the word ‘nobody’ in context to this site is not the same as saying ‘never’. “Nobody on this site” is not an absolute. He’s refering to a group of specific people – not all people. But I guess you don’t get that, huh?
Let’s hear you offer some facts. I bet you can’t.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:02 pm“He’s refering to a group of specific people”
“Veterans and active duty military” is also a specific group of people. Now move along, you imbecile.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:04 pmDon, don’t forget all the flak Sheehan took over calling them Freedom Fighters instead of insurgents. It’s un-American to call them Freedom Fighters, unless it happens to us?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:05 pmJack is wallace guys… He’s back. But not for long…
January 29th, 2006 at 2:05 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 2:06 pm“Veterans and active duty military†is also a specific group of people. Now move along, you imbecile.
Comment by Jack — January 29, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
Not really… They are a broad group of people. Not the same.
Atleast I won’t get delete for being an inflammatory jerk.
Bye Wally, now that I know it’s you I’m done with you.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:07 pmA report paid for by the pentagon shows our militiary at the breaking point. That’s not because of bad press. They have no leadership and are poorly supplied. Thats an old story that always ends in defeat.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ARMY_BREAKING_POINT?SITE=JRC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-01-24-16-30-25
January 29th, 2006 at 2:07 pmDeleted
January 29th, 2006 at 2:08 pmJack is wallace.
Just ignore him, please. He only wants attention and has nothng to offer.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:10 pmJack,
January 29th, 2006 at 2:10 pmunbelievable is a she and you should attend to that stuttering.
Jack, Jackie, Jaclyn, Jack off,
You are getting so testy. which is ironic, as your testes never descended.
Do you hear that whistle, jack?
That’s the troll train ready to pull out of the station. Better lift up your skirt and run like the dickens or you’ll miss your ride to freeperville.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:10 pmOoh, a barrage of name-calling. How typical of the left.
unbelievable is Ryan Neat, who has been banned and should be ignored.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:12 pmJack,
How typical of the right. You name call and shrill with your high pitched voice (a doctor can lower those testes for you, but it will hurt), and when someone returns the favor you get your panties in a not.
How hypocritical. How right wing.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThis proves Jack IS wwallace. How the hell would he know who Ryan Neat is otherwise?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:16 pmWho’s wallace? He must’ve been a great guy if he’s being compared to me.
I wonder if the Secret Service has visited unbelievable due to those threats yet…
I think ThinkProgress should ban anyone who makes threats on government officials like unbelievable did earlier.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:16 pmCheck out the Band of Brothers. Democrat veterans running for politcal office.
http://www.bandofbrothers2006.org/candidates/
Bush will single handedly dismantle the Republican coalition to save himself if he has to.
Bush is truly the most petulant, arrogant, and Kingly leader this nation has seen in 230 years.
Break out your powdered wigs Wwallace, Ruppert and Jack. The rest of us are going to put on Indian headdresses and grab some crates of tea.
Get out of the way you new Lobsterbacks, the new Rebels are on the way. Lead by a battalion of pissed-off, pissed-on veterans.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:17 pmSpudgeboy: “This proves Jack IS wwallace. How the hell would he know who Ryan Neat is otherwise?”
Do you know who Ryan Neat is? HEHE
January 29th, 2006 at 2:18 pmJack,
The SS is busy compiling lists of names of Vegans and Quakers to go after terrorists.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:18 pmJackie,
Has you mother heard your snivelling wimpers from the basement because all the mean, bad lefties put your down?
If calling someone an “imbecile” (as you have done) is not “name-calling” in your book, well then, your book is poorly written.
I am sorry that we returned the favor with our “barrage”of insults, but admittedly, we are being more clever. We our amusing ourselves at your expense. Is that unfair for you? Should we stand by and let you express your moronic thoughts and nasty jests without a response?
Grow some balls, man. Then, maybe, just maybe, you will finally have the courage to leave your mother’s basement.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:21 pmBetter Dead, Did I say “imbecile” wasn’t name-calling? When did I say that?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI agree with Jack. The soldiers need to suck it up.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:24 pmJack,
Tell me, if a foreign army invaded the U.S. and occupied it, including: indiscriminate shooting, bombing, detention, torture, house and business break-ins, contamination with depleted uranium, and other assorted horrors, would you hide under the bed the whole time or resist the occupation army and its political puppets?
I think I know the answer, but I have to ask. (Please do something atypical for you and answer the question.)
January 29th, 2006 at 2:24 pmRightPunch,
Yes, I served in Desert Storm. The total number of troops in Iraq was as high as 160,000, but was to drop to the standard 138,000 after the elections. If we did drop troop level back to 138,000, then 50,000 is more than 1/3.
Yes, the US has many more troops stationed all throughout the world, but they are busy and can’t be redeployed to Iraq.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:26 pmDon, it’s un-American to compare the liberation of Iraq from a dictator to an invasion of the United States. You are no patriot, that’s for sure.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:27 pmRight Punch
Who is Judd? And didn’t you respond to Jack above?
And though one may believe he is the banned Wwallace, it is not necessarily so. True? Suspicion is not fact.
ANyway, can’t a toy with the troll a little longer?
I was having such fun!
Jack is such an easy target.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:27 pmHow typical of those on the authoritarian left to try and ban dissent rather than make an argument.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:29 pmHow typical of freeperville, don’t you mean Jackie boy/girl?
If this was the so-called freerepublic website, you wouldn’t have been allowed more than one retort. N’est-ce pas?
And, voila, you are still here. Still inane. Still dickless.
Du courage, mon frere/ma seure. Du courage.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:32 pmBetter Dead, Judd is the guy that runs this site. RightPunch is in effect running to tell his mommy because he can’t think of any arguments.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:32 pmBetter Dead, I am not familiar with the freerepublic website.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#100.
Of Course Bush won’t answer poor old Helen Thomases questions. But, that isn’t an effort on the “authoritarian right”.
Remember the Rovian framing issues. Accuse your opposition of the tactics that you use. So now, even though the Republicans have the Whitehouse, Senate, Supreme Court and media…the nation is victimized by the “authoritarian left”.
Fucking funny.
-GSD
Your magic doesn’t work around here, we have taken the antidote…known as the TRUTH.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:33 pmI used to take that position, Jack. Until one day I realized there are really only about 3 people who come here and disrupt things. And they usually lie in the process. I stopped coming here because I felt that OTHER people were staying away for the same reason.
And while the “trolls” usually come on softly with cogent ideas it typically and quickly deteriorates. Then a thread winds up being a discussion between 2 people. Then I go to Kos where trolls usually don’t last long anyway.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:34 pmI once knew a quaking vegan.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:36 pmBetter Dead than Red…state,
Judd runs the site. There have only bee twon people ever banned from this site ever, unlike the red sites who ban people all the time.
If you were a regular here, you can tell who has what writing style. Jacks insessent use of “Haha ha aha ha” at the end of his post is just like old wwallace.
Since Ryna Neat hasn’t posted, but once since he was banned months ago, only wwallace would know who the other one was.
You are free to play with the trolls, but it never goes anywhere. I use it for stress relief and a good comic relief.
This is what I think of everytime:
January 29th, 2006 at 2:36 pmGSD, I was clearly talking about this site, not the nation. Are you saying this site is not run by and mostly inhabited by people on the left?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:36 pmSpudgeboy, “only wwallace would know who the other one was.”
Then how exactly do YOU know???
January 29th, 2006 at 2:38 pmWasn’t wallace the troll that got banned because he was so psychotic?
Yep. And clearly, still is. You can tell his posts by their terse and ignorant remarks meant to disrupt from the thread. When confronted he becomes defensive. If you’re ever suspicious, just ask and he’ll out himself. He likes teh attention. Comes from working with teenagers all day :)
Wow, thanks for the heads up. I knew his brain was in partisan mode, but apparently wallace to it to a whole new level of just psychotic ramblings. There’s the partisan brain, and then there’s the BTKiller partisan. Did you know that the BTK Killer in Kansas was a republican politician?
No I didn’t, but am not surprised…
He apparently attacked people viciously as a hardcore partisan as well. I wonder what it is with these hardcore partisans and their attraction to the unstable. Maybe it’s the permission to say any silly thing in the world and get a pat on the back by another silly partisan? It must be.
I think so. Look at our Presi-don’t… always trying to get approval no matter what the consequences. And he’s a pretty typical Repug, wouldn’t you say?
Thanks for the heads up – and I loved what you wrote to giacomo last night. Very well said.
Comment by RightPunch — January 29, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
Thanks! You had some astute things to point out to him as well. Giacomo and I have a bit of a history of butting heads. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, as I’m sure you’ve noticed. But he’s probably a pretty nice guy in reality. I get the feeling he’s here because he has questions about some things he believes, but is afraid to say them aloud…
January 29th, 2006 at 2:39 pmBECAUSE I AM A REGULAR POSTER HERE YOU FVCKING RETARD.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:39 pmSpudgeboy, so then when you said, “only wwallace would know who the other one was” that wasn’t true, was it? Thanks for clarifying. You are soooo funny!
January 29th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWhen you realize how lightweight the winger trolls are they are a hoot.
They are paper tigers, like Limbaugh. Fat, lonely men, with little else to reign over but their mouse and keyboard.
They talk of “crushing” and “destroying” all the time. But we know how emasculated, flaccid and intellectually weak they are. Unless they have Rush Limbaugh to give his stamp of approval, they can’t stand firm to an opinion. I remember when Harriet Miers was nominated, one of the winger trolls had this repulsive comment: “Let’s wait until we hear what Rush has to say tomorrow, before we come down with an opinion on Miers.”….How, ah, independant and free thinking.
They even have Alito. Soft and so technocratic, a good soldier without a set of balls. He can’t even stand up and proudly say: “I will vote doen Roe vs. Wade. Nope, he has to be a flaccid, vacillating, wishy, washy, elite. Nope, no strong convictions.
Todays Republican Party, All power, no principles.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:42 pmGSD, better than today’s Democratic party – No Power, No principles.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#109. So AHA! You admit that George Bush is authoritarian.
Congrats. You’ve come a long way crumpet boy.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:45 pmDon’t most vegans not eat meat because they don’t believe in killing anything or anyone. Do they suddenly expect these folks to jump from Vegan to cannibal? It’s just silly partisan nonsense to even consider these people a threat in any way other than political.
Comment by RightPunch — January 29, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Not only do we not eat meat because most of us find killing conscious life to eat unnecessary, but we do not use animal products including dairy (they keep cows pregnant and milk them until their udders become calloused and painful), eggs (they de-beak the birds, force them into cramped cages and starve them to produce more eggs), honey (it stressed the bees to be farmed), or use products like silk and leather.
For me, the no animal products part is mostly about not leaving footprints on the environment because of the horrific way we treat food animals. I have a low tolerance to abuse of any living creature.
So, as a result, I am a pacifist. Definitely funny to target people like me, huh?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:46 pmHey, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Napolean and Ghengis Khan had all the power once too.
Bush is keeping good company.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:46 pmAnyone that thinks Vegans or Quakers are a threat have a partisan screw loose.
Comment by RightPunch — January 29, 2006
The “threat” the Quakers pose, via Truth Project, is to try to counteract armed forces recruitment propaganda. They talk to high school students, and offer viable alternatives to enlisting. For the first time since 1999, recruitment quotas have not been met. So I guess it is their fault after all. They should have left the students in the dark like mushrooms, rather than try to get them to think for themselves.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:49 pmMore important than arguing with an idiot.
We get 50,000 more Democratic votes thanks to Bush’s bad policies!
I hope Bush and frineds continue. They are only helping us.
The OC Register, a right wing paper here in SoCal did a big expose on Bush’s lies this morning. They talked about how Bush plans to talk about what a great job he is doing in his SoTU speech and debunked all of them. It is nice to see the right eating their own.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:49 pm#118.
Bullies always go after the weakest first. Why do you think Bush went to Iraq. They had no teeth, so to speak. Now that he is faced with North Korea and Iran, suddenly he aint so eager to face them down.
I say they try something with Syria.
Also, why Bush/Rove would target Quakers and other peace loving folks. Make them the example and the “milita” dudes might think twice.
Once an ass-branding, drunk and brash bully, always a bully.
Don’t worry Unbelievable, we are all in it together. We will stand by you vegans and Quakers and pacifists, or we will all hang together.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:51 pmI think when it’s all over, the people who spent their time arguing with trolls as opposed to writing congress will want their time back.
Call the senate. Fax the senate. Hell, write letters to the local offices of leaders so people in their states will hear the important messages that flow through these blogs.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:51 pmSaddam and his half brother walked out of court today. His half-brother yelled that the court was ” a daughter of a whore”.
Looks like Bush justice is on the move in Iraq too.
-GSD
January 29th, 2006 at 2:53 pmyep, definitely the “wallace/parrot/nowjack”…
January 29th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#s75 & 80 gave it away positively…
it’s a 14yr old “ignoramous”…of no use here.
Spudgeboy
How did you finds Jack high school picture?
Is it any wonder he lives in his mother’s basement?
January 29th, 2006 at 2:54 pmJack, you (as usual) didn’t answer ther question:
“Tell me, if a foreign army invaded the U.S. and occupied it, including: indiscriminate shooting, bombing, detention, torture, house and business break-ins, contamination with depleted uranium, and other assorted horrors, would you hide under the bed the whole time or resist the occupation army and its political puppets?”
and then you said:
Don, it’s un-American to compare the liberation of Iraq from a dictator to an invasion of the United States. You are no patriot, that’s for sure.
In response, a quote from Edward Abbey: “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
January 29th, 2006 at 2:55 pmRightPunch,
The South? Emory? I grew up in Atlanta…
About Giacomo, yeah, I think he’s like the gay boy who secretly visits Playgirl websites because he knows something isn’t right with his relationships with girls, but he has been so intensely indocrinated to hate gays that he can’t yet admit it to himself… I’m sure he’ll read this and I’ll get a lecture, but that’s okay – debating him is actually reasonable. Unlike the rest of the trolls.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:56 pmI love it when members of the Reagan administration tell the truth. A fine explanation of what’s wrong with the Americans that just aren’t to quick:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11696.htm
January 29th, 2006 at 2:57 pmGus,
Truer words were never spoken. But, sometimes it is fun. But, I can say that I DO write to Congress, send leters to the editors and respond to every blatant lie the right tells. I am very involved.
But, your statement stills stands.
January 29th, 2006 at 2:57 pmDon’t worry Unbelievable, we are all in it together. We will stand by you vegans and Quakers and pacifists, or we will all hang together.
Comment by Granite State Destroyer — January 29, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
Thanks GSD, this is partly why I became a liberal – there’s real loyalty and inclusion among Progressives.
I was in this quaint hostel in Ballycastle on a Saturday night (a friend and I were backpacking across Europe and had started in London). There were people from all walks of life and all over the world, and in the worn den, where a small fire blazed in the hearth, an international group had assembled with a variety of musical instruments and played and sang both Irish folk songs and American rock and roll. No judgment, no anger, nothing even remotely close. Just laughter and song and community. I’ll never forget that feeling of belonging.
And the next day, before we left, I had the opportunity to talk with a Catholic man who’d grown up in Belfast amid the violence, yet was a peaceful and liberal man untouched by the venom of the conflict.
That was probably the beginning of the end of my days as a conservative (how I’d been raised).
January 29th, 2006 at 3:04 pm…and when Texans call for the impeachment or better yet the indictment of Bush and Cheney:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012806Z.shtml
January 29th, 2006 at 3:04 pmLeft wing propagandists here, take note:
I strengthen the will to victory of citizens who may be wavering.
If I encounter citizens who are being overcome by enemy propaganda, I confront them directly and make clear to them the enormous danger they face, appealing to their sense of honor.
Anyone who becomes a tool of enemy propaganda and contributes to weakening our spiritual strength places himself outside the national community. He should not be surprised if he is treated as an enemy of the people and of the state. If all my warnings are in vain, I do my duty and turn him over to the authorities.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:05 pmDoes anyone know where Susan and the Debtonator went? Are they banned?
January 29th, 2006 at 3:09 pmCHECK THIS OUT:
54 seconds into this Meet The Press clip, Bill Frist admits to domestic spying.
via crooks and liars:
He says “international” this and “international” that, but then says Nashville, Tennesse. I thought Nashville was in the US. Who would have known.
But, it is nice to know that Bush was spying on some of the red states as well as the blue ones.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:10 pmDon’t take me seriously, Mr. Righthunch, I’m being sarcastic.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:11 pmFrist is a huge liability for the GOP. When Harry Reid successfully stole the GOP’s thunder a while back with his closed session that forced their hand on investigating the pre-war intelligance, Frist whined like a wounded puppy. “Harry Reid slapped me in the face”….and wha, wha, wha. Reid’s run circles around Frist on several occasions and I think he’s gonna get embarassed again early this week. Can’t wait.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:16 pmunbelievable,
January 29th, 2006 at 3:16 pmI enjoyed your post.
Spudge, the 50,000 referenced in the article is a total since 2002. Your math is correct but not that 50,000 of the 138,000 currently in Iraq are under stop loss.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:17 pmGAO report 06-141 contains information about stop-loss in the context of recruitment and retention.
Thanks Gus…
January 29th, 2006 at 3:18 pmgoog question, marie…it’s been a while since i’ve “seen” either of them…but debtonator was sure getting bordorline out-of-control at times…it seemed out of character…
note: listening now to airamericaradio – boby kennedy’s ring of fire – and soon up will be mark krispin miller about the voting machines (this is a re-broadcast of yesterday’s show)…listen in if possible…excellent discussion…
January 29th, 2006 at 3:22 pmmarie + katy,
He and Susan had that documentary they were working on. Maybe that’s taking all of their free time?
Only thing I could think of…
January 29th, 2006 at 3:24 pmTJM,
No matter how you do the math, that is 50,000 pissed off people.
As has been stated since the dawn of time, war is hell. You see shit that changes you forever. The smell, the taste, the images. It is not something that should be forced on people, ever. Yes, throughout history, there have been groupes that seem to relish in war, but for the average person these days, it is not a good thing.
To force somebody, who joined the National Guard to make some extra money or to pay for college, to continue to stay in hell in not agood thing.
I wish these right wingers would join the military, so they could see first hand the horrors of war. Saving Private Ryan has nothing on the real thing. War is much worse than any movie can ever portray. There is a stench of gun powder and rotting corpses. There is mass chaos. The soldiers go through a sense of wondering if they will survive through the next patrol.
To make somebody stay longer than they agreed to, by signing a contract, is breach of contract. It is too bad that it is the military. They can’t be sued by these troops that have been used like pawns by our government.
And I do mean our entire government. Democrats and Republicans. They should be ashamed of themselves for not asking the hard questions about the falty intellengence that has cost the lives of over 2,200 troops, for nothing.
Nothing, not a damn thing. There is a civil war going on over in Iraq, where a theocracy was just democratically voted in by the people. Same goes for Palestine. They just voted a theocratic terrorist organization into power.
I am sorry about the long rant, but I feel terrible about how Bush abuses our troops. Anybody that doesn’t have a heart for what our troops are going through on a daily basis in Iraq has no heart at all. They are empty husks of a buddy that lack the tiniest fraction of empathy for their fellow Americans.
Our Army should be used as an absolute last resort, not to start an elective and pre-emptive war. This is America, we are better than that.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:36 pmThis thread has gotten a little too heated. Several comments violate our terms of service and had to be deleted. I’ve determined that “Jack” is a user who has been banned from the site and will make an effort to block future posts from that user.
People who want to disrupt things, however, frequently reappear with different names. The only way we can prevent them from doing so is not to let anyone bait you into a flame war.
It’s fine to respond, but do so with facts not insults. Once you’ve made your point, just move on. When you don’t, they win.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:43 pmHa, knew it.
Sorry Judd. I keep trying to bring it back, but sheeeesh, these guys are whacky dee.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:46 pmJudd, can’t you just block the i.p?
Also, the ladies at Firedoglake are ALL OVER the Alito issue and that entire community is hammering away at their Senators with faxes, letters, emails and even telegrams. Perhaps you guys should consider calling your readers to action as susataining a filibuster (even if it’s only short-term) is a very viable goal here.
January 29th, 2006 at 3:57 pmanon,
If Domino’s contributes exclusively to the party of corruption, war a nd lies….shouldn’t we be boycotting them anyway? Besides, their pizza sucks….just saying.
January 29th, 2006 at 4:07 pmI would have to agree, with you Jay. The only time I ever eat Dominoes is when my company orders it for a departmental lunch or something like that. You are correct, Dominoes pizza sucks.
January 29th, 2006 at 4:10 pmI suggest that anon boycott the atmosphere in order to avoid polution (Like its post.) Didn’t that very post appear and disappear on this very thread?
January 29th, 2006 at 4:11 pm151 and 152 the point: Call them and make the demand that the CEO stop the confirmation of Alito or you will not buy from them. I know you don’t like the pizza and that you don’t buy from them but If thousands of people call him just like many stupid conservatives called CBS years ago to get the Reagan movie off CBS, he will have no choice but to call Frist and stop the confirmation. No CEO wants to lose half of his customer base.
“Demands without boycotts will most likely fail” Mighty Maximus 2006.
January 29th, 2006 at 4:14 pmMonaghan,the Chairman of Domino’s founded the Thomas More Law Center which represented the school board in the Dover Pa. lawsuit. It is much akin to the ACLJ,which is the Pat Robertson’s (Jay Sekulow,who’s on Fox a lot is the head and was involved in drafting the Supreme Court petitions for Terri Schiavo’s parents).
January 29th, 2006 at 5:02 pmI haven’t bought a Domino’s pizza since he started that law center.Of course the pizza isn’t that good anyway,but…..
Ooh, a flooder with big letters.
How convincing.
January 29th, 2006 at 5:23 pmI would imagine that the media got a big wakeup call about how they report this war. In other words, they’re going to have to realize that they have emboldened the enemy with their inaccurate reporting and they need to get on the side of America and the side of the truth when it comes to the War in Iraq.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 29, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
The First three words you typed speaks it all Gary
“I WOULD IMAGINE”
January 29th, 2006 at 5:34 pmAmerica and the side of the truth when it comes to the War in Iraq.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 29, 2006 @ 12:51 pm \
Have you been to IRAQ Gary?
January 29th, 2006 at 5:35 pmProve it. And you can alos explain in detail how it’s legal to threaten to “point a gun†at people in the White House, as unbelievable suggested. HAHA
As usual it would seem that once again Jack has shot his own toe.
Who was it that talked about Poisoning a Supreme court judge?
A: Anne Coulter
January 29th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#Do Gary Ruppert’s posts make sense to anyone here?
Comment by Marie — January 29, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
Somehow I doubt they make sense to Anyone, even those that know Gary.
January 29th, 2006 at 5:42 pmSpudgeBoy, are you saying no veterans or active duty military support the action to liberate Iraq? HAHAHAHAHA You’re very funny.
Comment by Jack — January 29, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
Once again JACK you forget that Bush called IRAQ Soverign?
January 29th, 2006 at 5:51 pmLet Freedom Reign Georgie wrote wrongly at the Time.
Hack Jack if I go look at the Executive Orders Signed by Bush, I find that EVEN after IRA was Soverign, Old Georgie made it so hes still The Power in Charge, though he has delegated much of that Authority to others, Bush is Like Commander In Chief, but on Permanent Vavcation.
Anyhow, the thing here is though Bush called them Soverign they are NOT, Ergo they are not ‘Liberated’
Jay and Spudge,
January 29th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI have always disliked Domino’s Pizza, then when I read about the owner, I dislike it even more.
Oh dear god… Wait, I don’t believe in gods… old sayings die hard…
I wasn’t threatening anyone. I’m a pacifist.
My point was that our government trained al Qaeda to use violence (point guns) in the face of conflict and look what happened when they felt threathened by our government. Our government trained Timothy McVeigh to use violence in the face of conflict, and look what happened when he felt threathened by our government. Our Government trained our troops to use violence in the face of conflict, so what are they expecting to happen when these guys feel threatened too? Daisies and tulips?
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I was just trying to point that out and a bunch of fear was mongered.
So let it be said. I don’t condone shooting them, but I do condone impeachment, conviction and some serious jail time.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:07 pmSomehow I doubt they make sense to Anyone, even those that know Gary.
Comment by mr ho — January 29, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
Sometimes he sounds like IRI… and we know that one uses multiple pseudonyms.
And they never seem to be around at the same time. Or make sense for that matter either…
January 29th, 2006 at 6:11 pm163,
Yes I was thinking the same thing, there are less trolls here than it appears. Same one different name.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pmOk, I just tried to post a link to email that pizza place, and I got a spam warning….
January 29th, 2006 at 7:47 pmhttp://info.dominos.com/dominos_pizza/contact.nsf/frmContact?openform
January 29th, 2006 at 7:54 pmSo currently the US military is holding 12,500 American citizens against their will.
Can you say back door-draft? I knew you could.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:23 amSteve Forbes is saying there has been a record re-enlistment rate in all branches.
Is this true? Or is someone playing fast with semantics… like, some call it “re-enlistment” other call it “stop loss”.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:27 amSpudge some of the 12,500 soldiers include individuals already “chaptered out of the army” for reasons that are defined by the military as “unfit for military service.” The military suspends the chapter for the duration of the deployment only to reinstate the chapter when the soldier returns, basically they’re telling these soldiers that they are good enough to fill a foxhole but not to serve stateside when their units no longer need their body to fill an MTOE line in the unit roster for deployment. Same thing happened during Desert Storm.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:40 amSure there’s a record re-enlistement rate. A record low, no doubt.
Anyway, Forbes is no expert on military anything.
The question that any sensible person should be asking is: what is wrong such that the US needs to use stop loss. Answer: it is a cheap way of avoiding political suicide of ordering a draft for an over-taxed military.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:53 am