Matthews: Bush’s Warrantless Domestic Surveillance Is “A Winner Politically”
Matthews: Bush’s Warrantless Domestic Surveillance Is “A Winner Politically”
Today on the Chris Matthews show, Matthews asserted that the President warrantless domestic spying program was “a winner politically”:
MATTHEWS: Elisabeth, a couple weeks ago the Democrats thought they had the president’s number on this NSA spying thing and then Karl Rove came out a week ago and said “no, this is a big winner.” How is the president turning the NSA surveillance question into a winner politically?
ELISABETH BUMILLER, NYT: It took them a while. It took them about a month to get their act together on this…
Three of the most recent polls on the issue paint an completely different picture:
CNN/USA Today (Jan. 20-22): “As you may know, the Bush Administration has been wiretapping telephone conversations between U.S. citizens living in the United States and suspected terrorists living in other countries without getting a court order allowing it to do so. Do you think the Bush Administration was right or wrong in wiretapping these conversations without obtaining a court order?”
Right 46%. Wrong 51%.
CBS/NYT (Jan 20-25): “After 9/11, George W. Bush authorized government wiretaps on some phone calls in the U.S. without getting court warrants. Do you approve or disapprove of George W. Bush doing this?”
Approve 46%. Disapprove 50%.
LA Times/Bloomberg (Jan 22-25): “As you may know, George W. Bush authorized federal government agencies to use electronic surveillance to monitor phone calls and emails within the United States without first getting a court warrant to do so. Do you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism?”
Acceptable 49%. Unacceptable 45%.
So 2 of the 3 most recent polls found most Americans disapproved of the program. Another found a slim plurality approved of the program. Then, Chris Matthews pronounces it a clear “winner” for the President and marvels at Karl Rove’s genius.
More on Matthews at the Open Letter To Chris Matthews blog.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
UPDATE II: Since this post was published yesterday, a new ABC/Washington Post was released that supports Matthews view.
Washington Post/ABC (Jan. 23-26) “As you may know, the National Security Agency has been investigating people suspected of involvement with terrorism by secretly listening in on telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the United States and other countries, without first getting court approval to do so. Would you consider this wiretapping of telephone calls and e-mails without court approval as an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism?”
Acceptable 56%. Unacceptable 43%.
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Chris still hasn’t apologised for the Democrat/Osama s*** yet. He just keeps on diggin’ himself a hole.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:27 pmWhat is wrong with half of this country? Seriously?
Were they giving away free lobotomies at the Republican National Convention in 2004?
January 29th, 2006 at 6:29 pmIf this is a ‘Winner Politically’ what is a ‘Loser Politically’?
January 29th, 2006 at 6:32 pmTo paraphrase Jane Hamsher, maybe Chris Matthews’ chin will be dusted for Karl Rove’s ball prints .
January 29th, 2006 at 6:34 pmWere they giving away free lobotomies at the Republican National Convention in 2004?
Sure–didn’t you see all those Purple Heart bandaids?
January 29th, 2006 at 6:34 pmthe worrying thing is that the poll numbers are so close as to obviously give the White House a lot of encouragement (obviously a question hangs over the authenticity of the polling). once the waters have been sufficiently muddied by rove et al, the self-fulfilling prophecies of right-wing media and politicians will perhaps come to pass.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:35 pmHow can Matthews say that this is a winner when half America thinks Bush broke the law. We need to impeach Bush soon. We can not have him in office for another two almost three years. We have to vote the Right wing nuts in congress out of office in November.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:36 pmSure–didn’t you see all those Purple Heart bandaids?
Comment by Corinne — January 29, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
I try not to look at them directly - I heard that you catch syphilis that way. No wait, maybe it’s cooties… :)
January 29th, 2006 at 6:37 pmI can’t wait for the day that all the right-wing pundits learn that they can’t get away with absolutely anything.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:39 pmChris, you lying sack.
Mainstream media is dead. They offer us nothing but yellovision news.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:41 pmWell Mr Matthews You call this a Winner?
While Bush’s approval rating remains low at 41 percent, the poll has some backhanded good news for Republicans. Seventy-four percent of those polled said Republicans and Democrats are equally corrupt — while 14 percent said Republicans are more corrupt and 7 percent said Democrats are.
The poll found that 57 percent have not been following the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal closely.
At least this is a Political Winner for the Non Partisan Majority, Bush and Roves Rhetoric and the Democratic senators Silence is working VERY well for the Progressive Movement. Keep it up ROVE you Genius! and well have all of the Corrupt out of office.
Also this shows the Need to Put Abramoffs Weapon Sales, and Roves Norquists Ties to Isalmic Groups in Peoples Faces.
Rove a Genius?
Naw, he never Graduated from any Univesitie, Schools, many as possible to keep him out of war was more Important, and he has no credentials.
Rove is just another Delay, give em money and most ANY politician or Pundit above, will say whatever you want.Rove is still playing Election Year, foolishly. apparently Its All he knows, the ‘BLAME GAME’.
In Texas Slang;
January 29th, 2006 at 6:44 pm“That Dog wont Hunt”
Time to WAKE UP!!!!!!!! This is propaganda. Yes, it has happened in AMERICA. It’s all so simple when you know this. Why do we/you question each new absurdity on the MSM with wonder and anger? We are stupid. Time to get UN-STUPID. The goverment has control of the MSM and we are being fed propoganda. The big corporations own the TV stations. …..Clear? …….. The only real card they have though, and it is a strong one, is that most people find that too scary and thus stay asleep. They don’t want to believe that the media is controlled so completely and so successfully. Cause it’s depressing. And so, lastly, Matthews is saying this so that the wire tapping WILL become a winner, not because it is true. It is called selling…….selling us on a false idea so we will not fight. A CON…A SELL JOB
January 29th, 2006 at 6:53 pmUnfortunately, I’m not so sure it’s that straightfoward. As this post argues in part, the public opinion probably hassn’t crystallized yet. The ABC poll has a majority supporting the program, and the NYT’s poll results depended on how the question was asked.
January 29th, 2006 at 6:57 pmThey must have pictures of Matthews in “Man on Dog” action. It’s the only explanation, really. What a quack!
January 29th, 2006 at 7:01 pmits amazing that happy gooper propagandists like mathews apparently think that because they’re card carrying members of the cult of republicanism that they will somehow never become targets of the bushcriminal regime.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:02 pmLets add some more credibility to Rove/Buschco
The cousin of George Bush’s Chief of Staff, Andrew Card, is accused of spying for Iraq. Susan Lindauer, daughter of a prominent Alaska Republican who was indicted for campaign finance fraud, was arrested for selling so-called “classified documents” to Iraqi intelligence agents
January 29th, 2006 at 7:02 pmDoes anyone have an idea of the size of Matthews audience? For the weekday Hardball,too? I thought the overall viewership of MSNBC was pretty weak which generally explains the cross-overs of Scarborough and Cosby,
January 29th, 2006 at 7:02 pmThe dumb Dems have once again allowed themselves to be backed into a damned corner. They can’t complain about spying without appearing weak on terror…
January 29th, 2006 at 7:03 pmWhat an old tune. Those damn Dems better thank us when we throw Bush under the bus for them.
Hey Mr Cheney Buscho Rover
Remember This?
Cheney expressed outrage at the Jonathan Pollard spy case, saying it demonstrated that Israel had waged a deliberate and successful spy campaign against the US. “I consider it an unfriendly act,†Cheney said in 1987, adding that Israel had betrayed its unique bond with the US. “They, on the one hand, plead for a special relationship with the US-a special relationship that has existed for nearly 40 years now. On the other hand, [they] run a major intelligence operation against us,†Cheney said.
Source: Scott Farris, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, p.8 Jul 2, 1989
Awwww poor Mr Cheney doesnt like being spied on…
Why IM outraged I tell ya , Outraged, at at such Hypocrisy!
January 29th, 2006 at 7:11 pmAnd Cheney Runs a Major Intelligence Operation against U.S.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:11 pmChris is back on the sauce, like his dry-drunk president.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:12 pmLiberals and/or Democrats, ideally, would refute what Matthews has said, either on his show or on Hardball. Unfortunately, the deck is probably stacked against them because they can only get on his show at the invitation of Matthews or a staff representative and Matthews does not seem to be in the habit of having liberals appear frequently on his show. All too often, it seems that even in the rare instances when they do appear, they don’t want to say anything which can be construed as being too contentious for fear of not being asked back again by Matthews.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:13 pmTHE DEMS HAVE NO SPINES. nOW IS THE TIME TO COME TO THE aID OF YOUR COUNTRY. iT IS NOT THE TIME TO GUESSTIMATE ON WHAT POLL SAYS THIS AND WHAT POLL SAYS THAT. lIEBERMAN cLINTON kERRY kENNYEDY bIDEN fEINGOLD AND TO COME OUT, CHALLENGE THIS ADMINISTRATION TO ITS FACE CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS OUTRIGHT LIARS AND CORRUPTED AND BEGIN TO SLASH AND BURN. IF AMERICANS VOTE THEM OUT THEN LET AMERICANS GO STRAIGHT TO HELL WITH THESE CORRUPT BASTARDS AS WELL.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:16 pmOff topic (sort of)
If 60% of the country hates the president. And 40% love the guy. Is it fair to have guests from both sides in equal numbers?
This applies to other areas, also. This is THE fundamental flaw with news recycler programs like Hardball.
Is there a solution to this problem? Al Franken talks about this. I find this subject most interesting…
January 29th, 2006 at 7:22 pm#26:
January 29th, 2006 at 7:30 pmI think it would be truly incredible if we had equal amount of air time as the conservative talking heads have. Could you imagine if the Liberals had the same amount of air waves as Rush, Bill O’Reilly, Fox News..etc.
Judd got the percentages wrong.
It was actually 53% approved and 46% disapproved when the word terrorism was in the question. If you leave the truth out of the question, like the word terrorism — you’ll get the answer the mainstream media wants, and that’s the Democratic strategy: leave out the truth.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:33 pm#27
You already have more airtime than all those guys put together. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS…
January 29th, 2006 at 7:35 pmColorado,
January 29th, 2006 at 7:36 pmI’m talking within any given show. For example, does Juan Williams do the people a service when he represents only 50% of a debate on an issue that has 80% support of the people? NO
I would say we would be better off if Juan Williams just stayed at home. Screw him. He thinks he’s saving us by being on the Fox payroll. BS.
Christ is not in the reality based community. But wishful thinking doesn’t make it so. Bush is a loser. He has the opposite of the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns into shit.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:39 pmMichael, surely you can’t be serious. Those are the networks claiming Abramoff is a bipartisan rather than a GOP scandal. Those networks have zero credibility to us and besides fairness to Democrats is not a common attribute of large corporations — especially those that are major defense contractors such as GE!
January 29th, 2006 at 7:44 pmOct. 5, 2005 — Both the FBI and CIA are calling it the first case of espionage in the White House in modern history.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:48 pmOfficials tell ABC News the alleged spy worked undetected at the White House for almost three years. Leandro Aragoncillo, 46, was a U.S. Marine most recently assigned to the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney.
this is definitely the winter of discontent.
Chris Matthews is as smarmy as they can get.
Long live George Bush, the emperor with a pickled brain.
How can it possibly get any worse?
January 29th, 2006 at 7:48 pmbilly,
January 29th, 2006 at 7:50 pmThis is a PNAC-AIPAC thing, right?
While the basic message of this post is accurate (namely, that Matthews’ characterization of the spying as a “winner politically” is unfounded), it would be nice if the story was more honest about the poll numbers.
The CNN/USA Today poll has a margin of error of +- 5 points. So this poll was inconclusive (could’ve been anywhere from 41-56% (right-wrong) to 51-46% (right-wrong).
The CBS/NYT poll had a MOE of +- 3 points. So it, too was inconclusive. Moreover, a second version of the same question that mentioned the word “terrorism” resulted in a 53-46% result. Even with the margin of error, this result is perhaps slightly meaningful. Though the fact that the wording of the question affects the results so much tells you something.
The LA Times/Bloomberg poll also had a MOE of 3 points, which renders the poll a statistical dead heat.
Therefore, it is incorrect to state that “2 of the 3 most recent polls found most Americans disapproved of the program.” A more correct statement would be, “none of the 3 most recent polls found most American disapproved of the program, and one of the polls found most Americans narrowly approved of the program.”
January 29th, 2006 at 7:50 pmI watched the streaming video of the Young Turks last night. The show was about the Alito filibuster. It wasn’t slick but it was real. I think the future of news will be internet broadcasting by a wide variety of sources. Some will offer opinion, some will be more straight news orientd. Cable channels and programs like Hardball are becoming more marginalized all the time and their attempts at getting audience share is only making them worse. If I want fancy graphics and theme music I will go see a movie. If they end up disappearing it is good riddance as far as I am concerned.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:52 pmUggh SPAM filters
January 29th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#32
You have drifted so far left that even networks with a liberal bias can’t satisfy you. Then like a typical lib you can’t maintain any linear thought without launching into some wacko conspiracy theory–you’re quite the piece of work.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:56 pmYou guys are pathetic. Chris Matthews is as balanced as they come and devoted hours and hours to the Plame scandal, which, once again, we Dems have failed to exploit to our bets advantage. I am completely sick of all of you whiners out there who have nothing better to do than complain about a unfair press.
We need an agenda and decent candidates like Mark Warner and Barak Obama. Not whiny loser retreads and opportunists like Kerry, Kennedy and Hillary Clinton making our case for us. Why do you think we continue to lose elections and fail to win news cycles on issues that are clearly in our favor. Sorry but folks like Hillary, Cindy Sheehan, and Kos are not going to take us over the finish line. And whining about Chris Matthews, a guy who worked for Tip O’Neil ain’t going to do it either.
January 29th, 2006 at 7:58 pmbilly,
This is a PNAC-AIPAC thing, right?
Comment by Gus, the Loving OBGYN — January 29, 2006 @
Hard to Say OBY, he was passing info to IRAN. if they knew one another I dont know
January 29th, 2006 at 7:58 pmOkay Bill,
So what’s your strategy? Give it to us. Cause I’m guessing you didn’t post all of that just to bitch at us, right? You do have more?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#44
January 29th, 2006 at 8:04 pmDemocrats don’t have one.
Israel has long maintained that as a “close U.S. ally,” it does not spy on the United States. That stance makes the story that ABC News broke late yesterday all the more bizarre. It was revealed that a Philippine spy ring was operating in the office of Vice President Dick Cheney. The Philippines is also a U.S. ally. The espionage case surrounded Leandro Aragoncillo, a naturalized U.S. citizen from the Philippines who was assigned to the Vice President’s staff in 1999 while a member of the U.S. Marine Corps. Al Gore was Vice President when Aragoncillo was first assigned to the White House. Aragoncillo was charged with stealing classified information in Cheney’s office that dealt with detrimental information on Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. Aragoncillo was accused of passing the information to opposition politicians in the Philippines who were trying to oust Arroyo.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:06 pmMy strategy? I think we need to stop whining and start talking about alternative solutions. I think we need to stop playing victim and start playing aggressor. I think we need to put new, smart, fresh faces out there speaking well articulated and consistent messages. I think we need stop putting our faith in candidates that are complete losers (Kerry, Dukakis, etc.), and candidates that are unproven, opportunistic and likely to raise as much money for the GOP as the Dems and still lose (Hillary), and rely on proven models that work for us. The collosal failure of Bush has given us the most enormous opportunity we could ever imagine, yet we continue to come off like crying, weak babies with no alternative plan.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:08 pm#47
January 29th, 2006 at 8:09 pmYou can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
I’m beginning to think that Darwin’s “Survival of the Fittest” should be renamed to “Survival of the most Corrupt”…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:10 pmWell, at least it’s not stupid, lying pig like what we have for President right now.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:10 pmSo its Not the Same as AIPAC, but lookie what else came up;
Franklin also implicated Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Franklin said he kept 83 classified documents, including Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), at his West Virginia home to be prepared to answer “point blank” questions from senior Pentagon officials, including Rumsfeld.
Oh What National Security!
and the People want to let Cheney Spy on them???
I think NOT.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:11 pmBill,
I get your intent, and am with you. But what about strategy, logistics, specifics, courses of action, and details… What do you propose we actually do?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:12 pmNice try troll.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:14 pmYou didn’t really say Dukakis did you?
Good lord, that was so long ago my grandma farts dust. You know it’s 2006 right?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:16 pmWell I agree with Bill to a point. Kerry isnt the right one, Hillary, Naw. She was already President once =)
January 29th, 2006 at 8:16 pmObama? Dont know enough about him, doesnt seem to have much Experience…
I’ll bite, what is your next statement?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:17 pmThe only way the Democrats are going to get their power back is if and when the majority of society sinks as low, and swings as far left as you guys. It will happen eventually–you won’t have to do a thing.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:17 pmYou think you are better than anybody else with that attitude and you ain’t gonna go far when you reach those pearly gates. You need to repent for your evil ways.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:19 pmRuss Feingold is a great midwesterner who can lead America to better times.
http://www.draftruss.com/
January 29th, 2006 at 8:19 pmThe only way the Democrats are going to get their power back is if and when the majority of society sinks as low, and swings as far left as you guys. It will happen eventually–you won’t have to do a thing.
Umm no Democrat here.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:19 pmWhats with the ‘left’ talk?
Trolling are we?
Im a Neo-con just like you Michael arent you sick of the corruption yet?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:21 pmTHE REPUBLICANS ARE SPINNING IT, AND MATTHEWS IS BUYING INTO THE SPIN. WHY ARE THE DEMS LETTING IT HAPPEN? WHY AREN’T THOSE POLL NUMBERS BEING QUOTED BY EVERY DEM ON T.V.? C’MON! IT’S AN ELECTION YEAR!
January 29th, 2006 at 8:21 pmHeck Bush looked like a decent whore years ago, now hes just a lame duck, I mean who on the right, in their right mind would vote for another Bush? Come on Michael we can sucker a Democrat into being corrupt, just like Bush and Rove, Bet we can even get ol Norquist and his contacts to throw some greenbacks our way, we cant ‘win’ Power, but we can buy it. We need more abramoffs to pursue our moral agenda right Michael?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#58
January 29th, 2006 at 8:24 pmYou’re amazing! You can actually read my mind! I never consciously thought I was better–I just though you were an idiot. By the way don’t preach unless you have message.
#63
January 29th, 2006 at 8:25 pmSounds like you’re going both ways.
Russ Feingold is a bright, capable, honest, solid guy with great ideas. But he won’t necessarily appeal to moderate red state voters. Barack Obama is also of the same ilk but still a bit green. That said, he may be a great VP candidate. We need to stick with proven models…Governors with track records. Warner and Vilsack are the only ones out there who fit that mold, and Warner has the better record and is much more electible. But even Warner can’t win with this pathetic, victim-like mentality.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:26 pmcmon Michael lets get the Power back, whaddya Say? Lets start a campaign office and take old peoples money to pay for the College Republicans fund. Then We can use our contacts to put more corrupt–err Cons into places. Heck we dont care about the people anyway right Michael? We only care about ourselves and Power.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:26 pmRight Michael?
You just made our point. The only Dems on TV are comedians and Keith Olberman.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:28 pmbilly…hmmm..o’liely…you sound like him, you talk like him….exposed! If 99% said IMPEACH, crissy would say ‘look we’re winning!’ a sure sign of a LOSER like him. I quit even watching him a long time ago, he’s just a repub plant along with many others that are taking money under the table.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pmWel duhh Of course us Neo-cons go both Ways Michael, where have you been? We lie and take from every group. What kind of neo-con are you anyway? You say left then right? Us neo-cons screw all.
Say you arent one of them wannabe Neo-cons are you?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pmOne of them Wackos of Scanlons or Falwells we screwed over?
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January 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pmChris Matthews is a vulgar Bush lover and apologist!
He must be fired from his position for putrid ass kissing > lol.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:30 pm#
billy…hmmm..o’liely…you sound like him, you talk like him….exposed! If 99% said IMPEACH, crissy would say ‘look we’re winning!’ a sure sign of a LOSER like him. I quit even watching him a long time ago, he’s just a repub plant along with many others that are taking money under the table.
Comment by wisedup — January 29, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
Olielly? Cmon hes a Straw man, he only thinks hes a Neo-Con, like ol Michael here
January 29th, 2006 at 8:31 pm#68 I’d like to introduce you to #67
You guys compliment eachother quite nicely… I’m sure you two could discuss the finer points of Brokeback Mountain and other such nonsense…I’ll go now so you can be alone…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:31 pmAnd he’s a homophobe.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:34 pmBill,
In a recent poll… I posted the results somewhere current, Al Gore was the leading front runner. By like 45%. He won in 2000. He’s older, wiser, and so far, the only Democrat who has actually said anything Democratic in years. If he would stay active and keep his spine, he might be the one to beat. He’s known, has experience, and is free from skeletons.
In this country, women and the minority vote are the two majorities. Unfortunately the don’t vote as a majority, but with Obama as a running mate, Gore might motivate them both to vote for a ticket that supports women’s and minority’s issues. It’s still a bit premature, but maybe the pro-active approach for us is to encourage Gore and spread the word. Word of mouth, after all, is the best form of advertizing there is…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:35 pmBill,
Here’s the poll:
Presidential Primary Poll
Evan Bayh 9%
Joe Biden 1%
Wes Clark 13%
Hillary Clinton 7%
John Edwards 6%
Russ Feingold 11%
Al Gore 45%
John Kerry 4%
Tom Vilsack 0%
Mark Warner 4%
Total votes: 493
January 29th, 2006 at 8:41 pmI’ve never understood how he ever survived in the business, other than the only standard seems to be suck up to the radical right management. Poor thing is just not a quality thinker.
Comment by RightPunch — January 29, 2006 @ 8:41 pm
I’m telling you - “Survival of the Most Corrupt”… “Fittest” no longer matters. :)
January 29th, 2006 at 8:43 pmYou guys did see this one right?
Washington Post
January 28, 2006
2003 Draft Legislation Covered Eavesdropping
The lawyers knew this shit wasn’t legal, so drafted up legislation to change the Patriot Act, dubbed Patriot Act 2, so it would include Bush’s wiretapping, but Congress laughed at it, so it was removed.
They had no idea he was already doing it, because the Congressional members in the know were gagged.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:44 pmWell, it isn’t a loser, not politically anyway. It seems the vast majority of the United States population dislikes what Bush is doing, but he is still winning politically. There is no opposition party in this country, not one that can turn all of Bush’s mistakes into their own political capital. Appeasement should not be an option for Democrats.
Our President could fellate a goat while he gives his State of the Union. He would say it was for National security reasons, and call all whom disagree terrorists. Americans will take it because very few in any opposition party are willing to stand up for them, and the new season of survivor is starting (meaning, who has time to see who is messing us over while there is quality entertainment on).
I think Gore Vidal is right, there is only one political party in the United States…..with two right wings: Democrat and Republican.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:47 pmUnbelievable,
I agree with you about Gore and feel he his capable, well positioned and would make a great President (and should have). However, I’m afraid the poor handling that was done to him in the 2000 election has made him damaged goods. His ability to remake himself as a fresh, reinvigorated candidate is also not helped by new appearance. He also runs the risk of appearing like Hillary and Kerry (changing positions any which way they feel they will gain political advantage) by recasting his image (which he would need to do). Maybe he can do it. Time will tell…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:47 pmSpudge,
I think the proof is overwhelming now that he broke the law. I guess our problem is still the partisan politics that isn’t doing anyting about it… The horses have been brought to water, but are refusing to drink.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:49 pmYou guys compliment eachother quite nicely… I’m sure you two could discuss the finer points of Brokeback Mountain and other such nonsense…I’ll go now so you can be alone…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:50 pmHey, thanks for the tip on how to keep you guys away!
If you guys really want to voice your opinion on Tweety Matthews and read thousands of like-minded opinions, please get on over to:
http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/
It’s well worth the trip.
January 29th, 2006 at 8:56 pmI apologize if someone mentioned this before….but Mathews used to seem like a fairly rational guy.. Am I the only one who suspects that SOMEONE in the reich wing of this country is paying this guy alot of money to come up with his increasingly bizarre “talking points” ?
January 29th, 2006 at 8:56 pmBill,
It’ll have been 8 years since 2000. The average American doesn’t recall the events from last year, so I think that will have passed. Plus, Michael Moore made many liberals and some moderates feel empathy for him with Fahrenheit 9/11, doing significant damage control.
What he does between now and then will certainly have the ability to redefine the past. After all, Abraham Lincoln didn’t win on his first try, or his second… but look how things turned out for him… And Gore has already proven that he can win :).
But, yes, time will tell… Three years is a very long way to go…
January 29th, 2006 at 8:58 pmThe Russerts’ and Matthews’ et al. all work for GE at the end of the day. GE is a military/industrial complex beast. That’s it.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:00 pmAgree…I just think Warner may be a better candidate in 3 years. As long as it’s not Hillary or Kerry, we will be in a position to win.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:00 pmHey Wallace-
You’re wrong. Gore WON in 2000.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:01 pmHey, thanks for the tip on how to keep you guys away!
Comment by Lily — January 29, 2006 @ 8:50 pm
And if that isn’t enough, you and I can start discussing periods :)
January 29th, 2006 at 9:03 pmI think it would take the discovery that Bush had spied on moderate republicans in order to produce impeachment. And even then, I’m not sure there are enough of them to matter.
Comment by RightPunch — January 29, 2006 @ 8:50 pm
Sad but true… looks like we’re waiting this one out until November…
January 29th, 2006 at 9:04 pmoh and lets not forget that Bush+ Co’s rather “liberal” definition of “terrorist” includes peace activists, quakers, etc. Does anyone doubt that these neanderthallic nazis were spying on any organized group that was against the war? 9-11 is the best thing that ever happened to Bush + company.
Americans kill thier fellow americans through malice and carelessness at the rate of one 9-11 every week. Lets not forget that folks. When i go out on the highway, the smelly, bearded guys I worry about ramming into me arent Omar and Ahab.. they are Bubba, Jeeter, and a some of the alchoholic klanlovin rednecks that crawled out from under thier bibles long enough to learn how to get on the interweb and post on these forums.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:04 pmAnd if that isn’t enough, you and I can start discussing periods :)
Comment by unbelievable
ROFLMAO
January 29th, 2006 at 9:06 pmRightPunch, if it’s ok with you, I think we should all post an “I forgive you” after truly asinine comments.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:09 pmRightPunch,
Good point.
Have you heard about the men who watch their wives give birth and then could never have sex with them again because they’d seen the functional aspects of female gentalia? Those guys are conservatives too!
You’re more sympathetic of them than I. Having once walked among them, it’s more like a healthy, recovered leper perspective now… I know they are suffering, but I just can’t force myself to make contact.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:11 pmROFLMAO
Comment by Lily — January 29, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
You started it :) Just following your lead…
January 29th, 2006 at 9:11 pmHow lonley and pyschotic do you have to be to continue posting at a site that has banned you months ago? I am wondering just when this guys will be considered a stalker. Judd should get a restarining order.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:13 pmhow did we all get so far off track?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:14 pmthanks rightpunch, very interesting analysis.. this is essentially what i’ve always believed.. that people believe what they want to beleive, and that they shape thier “logic” to conform to what they emotionally want to beleive is true. this is why I think Bush would still have about 30% support even if someone found a picture of him taking cash from abrahamoff. lets face it, republicans these days pretty much thrive off ignorance, working their bible beating masses into a frenzy about brain dead women and embryos, all the while cheering on a war that has killed tens of thousands of living, breathing, people, who are conscious and have feelings, emotions, and memories. its all ok because “hussien was a bad man”. my question is this… how many innocents is it acceptable to kill in order to bring a murderer to justice?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:14 pmThe Bush crime family start wars, war-profiteer, steal elections both domestically and internationally, sell souls, intimidate, smear……etc.. It’s a CIA/Skull-N-Bones thing. These are some seriously evil people we’re dealing with here and Cheney’s even worse. Yikes!
January 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pmHow lonley and pyschotic do you have to be to continue posting at a site that has banned you months ago? I am wondering just when this guys will be considered a stalker. Judd should get a restarining order.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — January 29, 2006 @ 9:13 pm
He’ll be involved in the next Columbine. And his parents will blame Marilyn Manson and Think Progress…
January 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pm#92 That and the fact his brother is running for the lieutenent govenour position in pennsylvania.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:17 pmW(wallace),
I forgive you.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:18 pmhow many innocents is it acceptable to kill in order to bring a murderer to justice?
Comment by john deek — January 29, 2006 @ 9:14 pm
If he’s black and poor - just one. If he’s white and poor - a serial amount. And if he’s white and filthy rich - as many as he would like.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:18 pm#92 That and the fact his brother is running for the lieutenent govenour position in pennsylvania.
Comment by Clif — January 29, 2006 @ 9:17 pm
Really? I did not know…
Well, as much fun as this has been, I need to say good- night.
Thanks for all of the side splitting humor amid this mounting frustration, everyone. It’s preferable to laugh than to cry, I do believe… And you guys are a riot!
January 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmSleep well unbelievable. :)
January 29th, 2006 at 9:25 pmJudd’s on a roll, the number of posts is going down. ty Judd
What can be done about Chris Matthews?
Why can’t we stand up for ourselves anymore?
I’m just sickened that this dope can continue his partisan talk without any admonishment….
People still believe what they hear on TV - so it’s vital they get it straight.
Is there no watch dog (beside Media Matters) that has any actual “bite” to get these guys to tell the truth?
Or am I naive?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:25 pmTrueBlue,
January 29th, 2006 at 9:28 pmA lot of us have been sending e-mails to MSNBC. It may not be much, but at least it’s something.
Hi Lily,
I too have sent emails,… but nothing happens.
This dope continues his rants.
Just like Bush continues his illegal activities.
What happened to all of those Baby-Bommer Activists?
Why can’t the next generation muster up enough indignation to get this CLEARLY inept Admin. out of office?
What is wrong with America?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:34 pmThe Bush spinmeisters are out in full numbers; the msm with suckups like Matthews cheer them on. I won’t watch the new Friday lineup with Scarborough, Cosby and Carlson, as Tweety tries to add to his Republican credentials. Matthews’ ratings are not as good as they once were, and with the ever increasing brown-nosing of GWB, even some conservatives might recognize it as fawning.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:34 pmSimply changing the name of an illegal program doesn’t change the program. What Bush&Co are so good at and the msm so eager for is spinning the truth far into the zone of unreality.
Write MSNBC and tell them Matthews needs a long vacation. I did.
BOOMER…. uggh
January 29th, 2006 at 9:35 pmIf those of us here who wrote to MSNBC represent a microcosym of the public, MSNBC will get the message eventually.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:35 pmTrue Blue,
January 29th, 2006 at 9:35 pmSomebody posted that info. I’m sorry, I don’t know. I can’t handle watching it anymore. There was a time I actually enjoyed it though. Anyway, I agree about boycotting.
RightPucnh and True Blue, please go back to post # 87 and click on the link. All the answers to your questions are there. Promise.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:36 pmOops, that should have been addressed to RightPunch. Forgive me! :D
January 29th, 2006 at 9:36 pmyou gotta love it
Impeachment talk is a dangling carrot. Impeachment, imschmeatment; there won’t be any impeachment. It is just happy talk to keep the ‘meddlesome few’ busy.
The spying continues. It’s information wars.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:39 pmSo what you’re saying is that while King George proclaims a “War on Terrorism”, he’s able to actually wage war against uor Constitution, right under our noses, and get away with it because of a political sleight of hand???
OK. Now the question becomes: “How dumb have the American people become?”
January 29th, 2006 at 9:39 pm#92
Why wasn’t it a landslide for Gore in 2000? I mean after the awsome 1990s it should have been an easy win.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:42 pmHere is an outstanding argument for impeaching Bush, if you have the time. Covers all the bases:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman
January 29th, 2006 at 9:42 pmI agree that the president is turning the NSA surveillance question into a winner politically, in the larger sense that is has diverted public attention from important issues to the What’s New? evidence of politicians shmoozing with lobbyists. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the coming action against Iran, spying, torture, the benign neglect of our citizens and of our domestic infrastructure are all taking a back seat right now to this Rove-driven ‘issue’ that I don’t believe will affect Bush in any way.
Evidence? The short non-featured Think Progress piece dealing with the Quadrennial Defense Review, a document that continues runaway military spending ($400 billion annually) for useless military junk and military forces, when we have no military threat in the world, received almost no attention while the frequently-repeated Abramoff threads garner hundreds of responses. (I don’t agree with Lawrence Korb, but he deserved better.)
So in that sense the Abramoff hoopla is a political winner for the Chimp.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:42 pmOK. Now the question becomes: “How dumb have the American people become?â€
True Blue, I think someone posted a link to answer that question too. No, seriously!
January 29th, 2006 at 9:46 pmThe NSA Spying Scandal Center has all the latest news, statutes, court cases, DOJ memos and more for the exploding Bus domestic surveillance scandal.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:47 pmTracy, because the media (yes all of it!) gets behind the candidate that promises to do the most to bolster corporate profits. Bush’s many sins get glossed over while Gore’s every move is ridiculed and scrutinized. Wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t watched it myself. Oh and the CEO’s of Diebold and ES&S (brothers) were Bush pioneers.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:47 pmThe problem is that the Judiciary and Legislative branches have been eviscerated by fascists. Result - no checks, no balances.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:48 pmAs part of its all-out campaign to defend its indefensible illegal domestic wiretapping program, the Bush administration is turning to one of its tried and true marketing techniques - branding. The product? The “Terrorist Surveillance Program”…
For the full story, see:
January 29th, 2006 at 9:48 pm“Branding the Domestic Spying Scandal.”
#89
“And Gore has already proven that he can win”
Not U.S. president or a presidential primary…remember he was defeated in 1988 by the legendary Michael Dukakis.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:51 pmTracy,
January 29th, 2006 at 9:51 pmI forgive you too.
#136
Why wasn’t it a landslide for Gore in 2000? I mean after the awsome 1990s it should have been an easy win.
BTW are you gay, i.e. homosexual?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:53 pm#139
Can you answer my question why Gore didn’t win in a landslide?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:54 pmBTW are you gay, i.e. homosexual?
Comment by Tracy
Tracy,
January 29th, 2006 at 9:55 pmWhere have you been, honey? The majority of posters on this site are gay/lesbian. But it’s ok, we’re not using “guilt by association” here.
Tracy,
January 29th, 2006 at 9:56 pmI was always told that nature abhors a vacuum. What’s between your ears must be really abhorant.
People joke about Mike Dukakis a lot, but he was my governor before he ran for the Presidency and he is an incredibly smart, decent man (which probably disqualifies him right off the bat) that governed extremely effectively. Quite honestly, he was destroyed by Bush 41’s Rovian smear machine. He wasn’t out of his league as a man or a leader, just as a slimeball. You’ve got to excel at slime to win that job.
January 29th, 2006 at 9:57 pmBTW are you gay, i.e. homosexual?
Comment by Tracy — January 29, 2006 @ 9:53 pm
Careful Tracy, your homophobia is showing again….
January 29th, 2006 at 9:57 pmTracy, your question was answered twice. Are you paying attention?
January 29th, 2006 at 9:59 pmAnd don’t worry, Tracy. No one is going to think you’re a lesbian just because you feel compelled to come here and see what we all have to say.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:03 pm#134
Dude, Gore is gimp and flake…that is why he couldn’t run away with a very easily winnable election.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHey Tracy,
January 29th, 2006 at 10:05 pmGore won the vote, the Supreme Court nullified the results.
If Gore is a gimp (whatever that is) and flake….what would that make the current Fraud-in-Chief?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:05 pm“BTW are you gay, i.e. homosexual?
Comment by Tracy — January 29, 2006 @ 9:53 pm
Careful Tracy, your homophobia is showing again….”
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 29, 2006 @ 9:57 pm
With a sexually ambiguous online name like “Tracy” it’s a safer bet that it’s cruising for action.
Looking for a grudgef*ck Tracy?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:06 pm#145
Gregor you know that I am not a female so why is Right Punch still in the dark about this? My best highschool friend that I still talk to frequently is gay as well as my wife’s father. I am no more homophobic than anyone in this blog.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:06 pmLike I said.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:07 pm#146
No one has yet to explain why the 2000 election was even close and neither have you. Care to try?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:07 pmTracy’s brain is like am ameoba’s. It can respond to stimuli, but cannot deliver an idea.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:08 pm#148
Lily dear, why are you also still in the dark?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:08 pmTracy is male? Oh no! A man? Ugh!
January 29th, 2006 at 10:09 pmposts 134 and 136 explained, you just don’t pay attention Tracy. You’re an annoying troll (oxymoronic as that sounds)….
January 29th, 2006 at 10:09 pmTracy, I guess I don’t really mind the fact that you’re a man. I just wish I hadn’t called you “honey.”
January 29th, 2006 at 10:10 pmreplace oxymoronic with redundant…..it’s late and I’m getting punchy.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:11 pmSorry, man I don’t swing in that direction. But Gore was the victim of a voter disenfranchisement strategy - or were you on one of those “sex cruises” to take advantage of the looser child-molestation laws of other countries during the 2000 selection?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:12 pmreplace oxymoronic with redundant…..it’s late and I’m getting punchy.
Comment by Jay
lol, me too. I guess I’ll call it a night.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:12 pm#157
You are number three that can’t seem to answer my question as to why Gore didn’t win easily in 2000? How about you?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:12 pmGregor you know that I am not a female so why is Right Punch still in the dark about this?
Comment by Tracy — January 29, 2006 @ 10:06 pm
That is a question I cannot answer. I know RightPunch about as well as you do.
My best highschool friend that I still talk to frequently is gay as well as my wife’s father. I am no more homophobic than anyone in this blog.
I am glad you are so tolerant, but the answer to the question “are you gay?” is really irrelevant.
Now, do you think the domestic surveillance program is a “political winner”?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#160
You haven’t been posting here that long if you are just now comprehending that or did it just take that long for you? LOL!
January 29th, 2006 at 10:15 pmYou’re right again, RightPunch.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:15 pmTracy, I forgive you too. Now I’ll go to bed.
This Tracy character is as thick as a brick! Jeeez…I give up.
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January 29th, 2006 at 10:15 pmAnother Crony Hack Republican Defending Us!
Now Bush has appointed another political crony to head a terrorism/disaster related government function. In this case the crony hack is Simonson, a former lawyer for Amtrack. He is heading Project Bioshield.
Simonson’s “heck of a job†Brownie type decision: to buy just 100,000 doses of a drug that victims of radiation poisoning can use to help stop internal bleeding and survive. Why? The hack says people can just go to hospitals. Just like in Katrina? And what are the hospitals going to do with hundreds of thousands of people? Mr. Simonson decided he didn’t want to be interviewed by 60 Minutes to answer any of these questions. More Americans are at risk because of another Bush crony hack appointee in charge of our homeland defense. This is simply not forgivable.
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 01/ 27/ 60minutes/ main1245714.shtml
Consolation: Bush’s ineptitude extends to law breaking. He will be impeached shortly for breaking any one of multiple laws. Let’s just hope we get Bush and his crooked old white male buddy crew out before America’s next disaster.
What lawbreaking, you ask? To support its failed policies in the Middle East, the Bush Administration conducts a program of illegal spying on US citizens without warrants in violation of Federal Law (FISA), tortures in violation of the Geneva Convention, and in violation of numerous laws outs a CIA agent as political payback. There will be accountability. Legal charges are coming. Bush’s scheme to pack the Supreme Court with judges deferential to the Executive will not save him. His illegal actions and failures are too blatant to avoid the impending impeachment and criminal charges.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:16 pm#153
Just shows your ignorance and prejudice.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:17 pmMatthews is such a moron that he fails to realize the only polls that count in Bush’s case are the grand jury’s vote to indict him and the courtroom jury’s vote to convict him. Why is Tweety so frantically working with Rove? Did one of those wiretaps get something on him he’d rather not be made public?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pmTracy, I repeat:
Hey Tracy,
Gore won the vote, the Supreme Court nullified the results.
Comment by WaltTheMan — January 29, 2006 @ 10:05 pm
I might also add that that was in Florida as well as the US.
A recount of the vote in Florida proved that Gore was the winner. Papers throughout Florida and an analysis of the results by the NY Times, Washington Post and the LA Times came to this conclusion.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pm#168
“I am glad you are so tolerant, but the answer to the question “are you gay?†is really irrelevant”
Hey when he starts calling me sweetie…it a very legitimate question.
“Now, do you think the domestic surveillance program is a “political winnerâ€?”
I don’t know yet. Time will tell, but it seems that the American people are pretty much split on this issue just like they have been for the last four years on many other issues.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:22 pmYou are number three that can’t seem to answer my question as to why Gore didn’t win easily in 2000? How about you?
Comment by Tracy — January 29, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
That is a very difficult question to answer: Why didn’t Gore win easily?
To be honest, I don’t think anyone has the answer. Maybe the electorate thought it was a time for a change. It happens: even Churchill was voted out. Maybe his personality wasn’t attractive for many voters: The media did a good job at ridiculing him on his supposed stiffness and the “I invented the Internet” dictum.
Having said that, I don’t think we should put much weight on the qualifier “easily”. Fact is, like other bloogers have already pointed out (repeatedly), Gore won the election. Had the Supreme Court not stopped the recount, history would have been written differently.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:25 pmI don’t know yet. Time will tell, but it seems that the American people are pretty much split on this issue just like they have been for the last four years on many other issues.
Comment by Tracy — January 29, 2006 @ 10:22 pm
“Time will tell”? What will time tell?
Can’t you tell me your opinion now? What do you think of the president claiming that he can order secret wiretaps with no oversight?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:27 pmIf we did away with the electoral college you would never get a Republican in the White House. Tracy knows that, he’s just baiting you. It was designed to keep the majority from running roughshod on the minority in the less populated areas. It has a downside, as we see.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:28 pm#144
“…but he was my governor before he ran for the Presidency”
My condolences.
“He wasn’t out of his league as a man or a leader, just as a slimeball.”
He was out of his league because he was a liberal. He was a slime for refusing to apologize to the victim’s families of convicted killer Willie Horton and vetoing a bill, as Massachusetts governor, that would have limited furloughs to convicted criminals.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:40 pmChrissy’s saying that Bush’s Illegal spying of innocent Americans is okay is the same as saying James Frey is an author of high credibility.
I think that tommorrow I will send Chrissy Matthews my sixth
January 29th, 2006 at 10:42 pmangry e-mail to him and that Keith Olbermann is the only journalist with credibility that I will watch and listen to.
GGG,
January 29th, 2006 at 10:42 pmI disagree with you on he basis for the electoral college. Remember that it was founded when this nation had no electronic transmission capability. It was established because the founding fathers desired no other recourse for gathering a forum for the election of our national leader in the days of horsedrawn transmission and travel.
This meant that the election had to be entrusted to Congress.
Of course, if they had listened to Ben Franklin, light towers would have been posted up and down the coast, just as the Romans had done 2000 years earlier.
#164
“But Gore was the victim of a voter disenfranchisement strategy”
Disenfranchisement? Democrats not allowing thousands of military ballots to be counted is pretty low considing most of them would have gone to Bush. Violating election laws and having a state supreme court in your back pocket is downright fraudlant.
“…or were you on one of those “sex cruises†to take advantage of the looser child-molestation laws of other countries during the 2000 selection?”
Since you seem to be very familiar with what ever as “sex cruise” is….you must be kin to Mark Hulett.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:48 pm#172
You can’t answer my question either? The BS reason that the media was the reason is just that, BS.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:50 pmRightPunch, I pity her too. Sad human…
January 29th, 2006 at 10:56 pm#181
Thanks for actually offering up a logical and thoughful explanation. Other’s here…take note.
“To be honest, I don’t think anyone has the answer. Maybe the electorate thought it was a time for a change.”
Why was it time for a change? I am in total agreement the that 1990s were a time of relative peace and great prosperity.
“Maybe his personality wasn’t attractive for many voters:”
Well he did try and fool everyone that he was soooo smart, about what I don’t know, that he came off as arrogant and snobby.
“Fact is, like other bloogers have already pointed out (repeatedly), Gore won the election. Had the Supreme Court not stopped the recount, history would have been written differently”
If there a was a full recount of ALL of the counties in Florida, not just those cherry picked by Gore’s campaign, the presidential result would have been the same…Bush would have won.
January 29th, 2006 at 11:00 pm*shrug*
I don’t know what the big deal is with this… only about 1/3 of the population seem to think that Bush is taking us in the right direction, yet about 1/2 seem to think that this NSA spying gig is okay.
So in some respects, yeah, the Rove Machine has (so far) turned the issue into a “political winner”… given how Bush normall turns anything into “political fumunda” by simply talking about it.
Doesn’t mean it’s *legal*… or that it’s right… or that it won’t turn against him… for the time being, it’s a “political winner.”
January 29th, 2006 at 11:03 pmTracy,
January 29th, 2006 at 11:04 pmThere are two areas in Jacksonville Florida that are disadvantaged. They are called the Northside and the Westside. In 2000 Kathlene Harris moved so many individuals from these areas to felony status that two and three year olds were classified as felons. Their parents were classified in the same manner. The two and three year olds did not attempt to vote and their parents were denied the chance. Was this fair?
He was out of his league because he was a liberal. He was a slime for refusing to apologize to the victim’s families of convicted killer Willie Horton and vetoing a bill, as Massachusetts governor, that would have limited furloughs to convicted criminals.
Comment by Tracy
Total Bullshit.
Statistically murderers have the lowest recidivism rate of all incarcerated criminals and are likely to commit the crime once, in the heat of passion, and never commit crimes again. Not all murderers are anti-social sociopaths and most anti-social sociopaths never commit murder and still manage to do alot of damage throughout a lifetime. Dukakis wasn’t responsible for the furlough program which is a legitimate rehabilitative tool and it did end during his tenure as Gov. Statistically, murderers also happen to be the most intelligent of a prison population, and the inmate population as a whole is usually a few points higher than the correctional officers.
January 29th, 2006 at 11:08 pmSo Let Me get this Straight
The Media, and allthe people whom work there apparantly
want me and you and all your kids, mom and pop, whatever
you want US to let George and Cheney,
Whom have both spied and been Spied upon
and whom cant even control the crooked senators and lobbyists
Nor the People In the White House STEALING and taking Home\Documents among other things, Influence Peddling, Billion dollar wars by some MCnamara Junior Slideruler ‘Genius’ and the Corrupt congressman and bush Unitary Powers?
‘I dont think SO.’
January 29th, 2006 at 11:09 pmi
#182
“What do you think of the president claiming that he can order secret wiretaps with no oversight?”
All the fact aren’t out yet. That is what the congressional inquiry is for.
January 29th, 2006 at 11:09 pmBut isn’t W a