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		<title>By: Think Progress &#187; The Hastert Solution: Use Massive Oil Profits to Buy Ads For Oil Companies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Progress &#187; The Hastert Solution: Use Massive Oil Profits to Buy Ads For Oil Companies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] House Speaker Dennis Hastert held a conference call yesterday with the oil industry&#8217;s top trade association, one day after Exxon posted a record $10 billion quarterly profit, mostly thanks to high gas prices. According to his spokesman, Hastert pressed executives on lowering energy costs: Hastert inquired about industry efforts &#8220;to create a stable supply of energy that will lower oil and home heating costs,&#8221; Hastert&#8217;s spokesman said. &#8220;What he wanted to convey to the [trade association] is making a profit is just fine &#8230; at the same time, though, American families have a bottom line to meet.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] House Speaker Dennis Hastert held a conference call yesterday with the oil industry&#8217;s top trade association, one day after Exxon posted a record $10 billion quarterly profit, mostly thanks to high gas prices. According to his spokesman, Hastert pressed executives on lowering energy costs: Hastert inquired about industry efforts &#8220;to create a stable supply of energy that will lower oil and home heating costs,&#8221; Hastert&#8217;s spokesman said. &#8220;What he wanted to convey to the [trade association] is making a profit is just fine &#8230; at the same time, though, American families have a bottom line to meet.&#8221; [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=435335', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GBENGA O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>GBENGA O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXXONMOBIL HAS RUINED NIGERIAS ECONOMY VIA DISHONESTY IN PRODUCTION QUANTITY DECLARATION IN CONEVANCE WITH THE NNPC AND THE OIL MINISTRY KEADERSHIP.

GBENGA O.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXXONMOBIL HAS RUINED NIGERIAS ECONOMY VIA DISHONESTY IN PRODUCTION QUANTITY DECLARATION IN CONEVANCE WITH THE NNPC AND THE OIL MINISTRY KEADERSHIP.</p>
<p>GBENGA O.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=435157', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Papa-
Hittin it with the inbreds again, huh? still see you like the &lt;strong&gt;bold&lt;/strong&gt;...keep it up...you are so entertaining.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Papa-<br />
Hittin it with the inbreds again, huh? still see you like the <strong>bold</strong>&#8230;keep it up&#8230;you are so entertaining&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=432250', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steed Lankershim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-432040</link>
		<dc:creator>Steed Lankershim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And something you won&#039;t find on your liberal websites, a letter from Judge Holland to some wacky uninformed progressive:

June 8, 2000

Dear (redacted)
I am in receipt of your letter of May 10, 2000, which was
addressed to me at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. As you
can see from the letterhead, I am a district judge, not an
appellate judge.
However, as you are no doubt aware, I know a good bit about the
Exxon Valdez litigation. Your letter suggests a number of
rather troubling assumptions about the parties and the timing
of the Exxon Valdez litigation.
You speak of the courts having the purpose of righting wrongs
and the downtrodden seeking redress. You discuss large corporate
entities abusing the legal system. I can only assume that
you are of the view that the plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez
litigation are downtrodden folk and that Exxon Corporation has
abused the legal process. Neither assumption is correct.
It is unlikely that Alaska commercial fishermen consider themselves
downtrodden. Some of them are wealthy. In the Exxon
Valdez litigation, the fishermen were represented by attorneys
who are highly experienced in handling cases such as we are
discussing. The same was true of counsel for Exxon Corporation.
All of these attorneys--and there were a lot of them--
worked together in a highly cooperative and efficient fashion.
The case was prepared for trial in what many consider to have
been record time. The case was expertly and efficiently presented
and defended. While the trial started on May 1 and
ended about the middle of September, 1994, almost a third of
that trial time was taken up by jury deliberation. There was
no foot-dragging by anyone in the preparation or trial of the
case. From the courtâ€™s perception, the preparation and presen-

tation of the Exxon Valdez trial in the district court was a
model of how complex litigation should be developed and presented.
The plaintiffs could not reasonably have expected a
more expeditious resolution of their claims in district court
than they received.
As you have learned, the Exxon Valdez case is still on appeal.
Also, there were some delays in the district court having to do
with entry of a final judgment, and there were significant
delays in the appellate process which were not the fault of any
party to the case. Rather, the difficulty flowed from what
turned out to be legitimate concerns about whether there had
been improper contacts between a court security officer and
members of the jury, one of whom experienced serious emotional
problems during and after deliberations. The investigation of
these matters was long and difficult; but in the end, the court
of appeals recently affirmed this courtâ€™s ruling that Exxon
Corporation was not entitled to a new trial because of these
problems. Exxon Corporationâ€™s appeal of the punitive damages
award remains pending.
The point that I make is that these delays were not the responsibility
of any party to the litigation, nor their attorneys.
In raising these matters, Exxon Corporation was taking the same
kind of action which the plaintiffs would (and should) have
taken had the verdict gone the other way. That is, if the jury
had found for Exxon Corporation in this case, the plaintiffs
would surely have taken the case on the same appellate route
that it is now upon, and we might well all still be waiting for
a final decision.
I agree with you that the appeal in this case has taken too
long, but that is not the fault of Exxon Corporation or any of
the parties; nor, for that matter, is it entirely the fault of
the court of appeals which now has the case. During the last

seven years, there has been considerable difficulty in securing
the nomination and confirmation of judges to fill vacancies on
the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. If that court had its full
complement of judges, decisions would surely be rendered more
quickly.
I apologize if I seem to lecture, but your assumption that
Exxon Corporation is in a position to make rules for the court
of appeals simply because it is wealthy, is absolutely incorrect.
There is a great deal at stake in this case, and Exxon
Corporation is entitled to pursue its appeal just as the fishermen
would have been entitled to pursue an appeal had they not
prevailed in the district court.
Thank you for affording me the opportunity to share with you a
somewhat different point of view as to the Exxon Valdez litigation.
I hope that your studies at college are going well.
Sincerely,
H. Russel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And something you won&#8217;t find on your liberal websites, a letter from Judge Holland to some wacky uninformed progressive:</p>
<p>June 8, 2000</p>
<p>Dear (redacted)<br />
I am in receipt of your letter of May 10, 2000, which was<br />
addressed to me at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. As you<br />
can see from the letterhead, I am a district judge, not an<br />
appellate judge.<br />
However, as you are no doubt aware, I know a good bit about the<br />
Exxon Valdez litigation. Your letter suggests a number of<br />
rather troubling assumptions about the parties and the timing<br />
of the Exxon Valdez litigation.<br />
You speak of the courts having the purpose of righting wrongs<br />
and the downtrodden seeking redress. You discuss large corporate<br />
entities abusing the legal system. I can only assume that<br />
you are of the view that the plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez<br />
litigation are downtrodden folk and that Exxon Corporation has<br />
abused the legal process. Neither assumption is correct.<br />
It is unlikely that Alaska commercial fishermen consider themselves<br />
downtrodden. Some of them are wealthy. In the Exxon<br />
Valdez litigation, the fishermen were represented by attorneys<br />
who are highly experienced in handling cases such as we are<br />
discussing. The same was true of counsel for Exxon Corporation.<br />
All of these attorneys&#8211;and there were a lot of them&#8211;<br />
worked together in a highly cooperative and efficient fashion.<br />
The case was prepared for trial in what many consider to have<br />
been record time. The case was expertly and efficiently presented<br />
and defended. While the trial started on May 1 and<br />
ended about the middle of September, 1994, almost a third of<br />
that trial time was taken up by jury deliberation. There was<br />
no foot-dragging by anyone in the preparation or trial of the<br />
case. From the courtâ€™s perception, the preparation and presen-</p>
<p>tation of the Exxon Valdez trial in the district court was a<br />
model of how complex litigation should be developed and presented.<br />
The plaintiffs could not reasonably have expected a<br />
more expeditious resolution of their claims in district court<br />
than they received.<br />
As you have learned, the Exxon Valdez case is still on appeal.<br />
Also, there were some delays in the district court having to do<br />
with entry of a final judgment, and there were significant<br />
delays in the appellate process which were not the fault of any<br />
party to the case. Rather, the difficulty flowed from what<br />
turned out to be legitimate concerns about whether there had<br />
been improper contacts between a court security officer and<br />
members of the jury, one of whom experienced serious emotional<br />
problems during and after deliberations. The investigation of<br />
these matters was long and difficult; but in the end, the court<br />
of appeals recently affirmed this courtâ€™s ruling that Exxon<br />
Corporation was not entitled to a new trial because of these<br />
problems. Exxon Corporationâ€™s appeal of the punitive damages<br />
award remains pending.<br />
The point that I make is that these delays were not the responsibility<br />
of any party to the litigation, nor their attorneys.<br />
In raising these matters, Exxon Corporation was taking the same<br />
kind of action which the plaintiffs would (and should) have<br />
taken had the verdict gone the other way. That is, if the jury<br />
had found for Exxon Corporation in this case, the plaintiffs<br />
would surely have taken the case on the same appellate route<br />
that it is now upon, and we might well all still be waiting for<br />
a final decision.<br />
I agree with you that the appeal in this case has taken too<br />
long, but that is not the fault of Exxon Corporation or any of<br />
the parties; nor, for that matter, is it entirely the fault of<br />
the court of appeals which now has the case. During the last</p>
<p>seven years, there has been considerable difficulty in securing<br />
the nomination and confirmation of judges to fill vacancies on<br />
the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. If that court had its full<br />
complement of judges, decisions would surely be rendered more<br />
quickly.<br />
I apologize if I seem to lecture, but your assumption that<br />
Exxon Corporation is in a position to make rules for the court<br />
of appeals simply because it is wealthy, is absolutely incorrect.<br />
There is a great deal at stake in this case, and Exxon<br />
Corporation is entitled to pursue its appeal just as the fishermen<br />
would have been entitled to pursue an appeal had they not<br />
prevailed in the district court.<br />
Thank you for affording me the opportunity to share with you a<br />
somewhat different point of view as to the Exxon Valdez litigation.<br />
I hope that your studies at college are going well.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
H. Russel<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=432040', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steed Lankershim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-432026</link>
		<dc:creator>Steed Lankershim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Exxonâ€™s company position is that punitive damages are not justified because the spill was an accident.&lt;/em&gt; Punch&#039;s wiki quote is a lie, and all of his claims have proved to be false.

Exxon has not argued that punitive damages are not justified, they are arguing that 4-5 billion is excessive. Not because it was an accident, but that 
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals had previously found that none of the &quot;aggravating factors&quot; identified by the Supreme Court as justifying a large punitive damages award were present in the Valdez case. Those factors include violence, intentional spilling of oil, and trickery to hide or facilitate the spill and that Judge Holland has made errors in the last 2 remands to his court.

Try something other than wiki next time, like reading the actual docs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Exxonâ€™s company position is that punitive damages are not justified because the spill was an accident.</em> Punch&#8217;s wiki quote is a lie, and all of his claims have proved to be false.</p>
<p>Exxon has not argued that punitive damages are not justified, they are arguing that 4-5 billion is excessive. Not because it was an accident, but that<br />
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals had previously found that none of the &#8220;aggravating factors&#8221; identified by the Supreme Court as justifying a large punitive damages award were present in the Valdez case. Those factors include violence, intentional spilling of oil, and trickery to hide or facilitate the spill and that Judge Holland has made errors in the last 2 remands to his court.</p>
<p>Try something other than wiki next time, like reading the actual docs.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=432026', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: I-RIGHT-I</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-431713</link>
		<dc:creator>I-RIGHT-I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that because these people canâ€™t afford to buy a house, they invest everything in a â€œlook at me car.â€ Of course, they all have spinner rims and leather interiors, etc. I am sure their cars are nicer than their homes. In fact, I would put money on it. 

Comment by Spudge_Boy

That is some funny stuff. When were you born yesterday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that because these people canâ€™t afford to buy a house, they invest everything in a â€œlook at me car.â€ Of course, they all have spinner rims and leather interiors, etc. I am sure their cars are nicer than their homes. In fact, I would put money on it. </p>
<p>Comment by Spudge_Boy</p>
<p>That is some funny stuff. When were you born yesterday?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431713', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: big papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>big papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Steed Lankershim #143

&lt;strong&gt;Steeped in Languishingsh*t,

Alaska is full of right wing inbreds...

You&#039;re a right wing inbred...

No one gives a fiddler&#039;s fu*k about your long dissertations about jury makeup in the Alaskan Valdez trial...

Alaskans voted for Bushiva and Ted Stevens...

They&#039;re morons and you&#039;re a moron...

F***off! And take the Alaskan inbreds w/you...&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Steed Lankershim #143</p>
<p><strong>Steeped in Languishingsh*t,</p>
<p>Alaska is full of right wing inbreds&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a right wing inbred&#8230;</p>
<p>No one gives a fiddler&#8217;s fu*k about your long dissertations about jury makeup in the Alaskan Valdez trial&#8230;</p>
<p>Alaskans voted for Bushiva and Ted Stevens&#8230;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re morons and you&#8217;re a moron&#8230;</p>
<p>F***off! And take the Alaskan inbreds w/you&#8230;</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431457', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: big papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>big papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that because these people canâ€™t afford to buy a house, they invest everything in a â€œlook at me car.â€ Of course, they all have spinner rims and leather interiors, etc. I am sure their cars are nicer than their homes. In fact, I would put money on it. 

Comment by Spudge_Boy #120

&lt;strong&gt;Spudge,

If people KNEW better they&#039;d DO better...

Fact is poor people don&#039;t really know HOW to handle money...

The psychology of &quot;success&quot; weighs heavily through the ghettoes and less affluent areas, people see what the rich have and they want to emulate them...

Not saying it&#039;s right, just that its a psychological brainwashing we&#039;ve all received from childhood to adulthood...

...from television, movies, magazines, books, parents you name it they all tell us we have to LOOK good, be successful!

It&#039;s the &quot;American&quot; way...&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that because these people canâ€™t afford to buy a house, they invest everything in a â€œlook at me car.â€ Of course, they all have spinner rims and leather interiors, etc. I am sure their cars are nicer than their homes. In fact, I would put money on it. </p>
<p>Comment by Spudge_Boy #120</p>
<p><strong>Spudge,</p>
<p>If people KNEW better they&#8217;d DO better&#8230;</p>
<p>Fact is poor people don&#8217;t really know HOW to handle money&#8230;</p>
<p>The psychology of &#8220;success&#8221; weighs heavily through the ghettoes and less affluent areas, people see what the rich have and they want to emulate them&#8230;</p>
<p>Not saying it&#8217;s right, just that its a psychological brainwashing we&#8217;ve all received from childhood to adulthood&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;from television, movies, magazines, books, parents you name it they all tell us we have to LOOK good, be successful!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;American&#8221; way&#8230;</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431446', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-431283</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look. All judges at any level of the judiciary are far too &quot;business friendly&quot; and have been since before &lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&amp;vol=118&amp;invol=394&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1886 and Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific Railroad.&lt;/a&gt;

Liberal judicial activists, my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look. All judges at any level of the judiciary are far too &#8220;business friendly&#8221; and have been since before <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&amp;vol=118&amp;invol=394" rel="nofollow">1886 and Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific Railroad.</a></p>
<p>Liberal judicial activists, my ass.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431283', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-431279</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;â€œPunch, you should rethink using wiki. Itâ€™s not reliable and was completely wrong in this case. Steed Lankershimâ€

Really? Is that why it recently tested as reliable as other encyclopedias? I hear bias again on your part pumpkin.&lt;/em&gt;

Wiki does have problems with partisan, right wing hacks like steed filling it with nonsense, conjecture, propaganda, mis-information and outright falsehoods, and vandals, which is why I reccomend reading the discussion page tab at every article and checking the history tab as well. It&#039;s an excellent resource and I have spent some time reverting articles with complete right wing bullshit myself. Like FDR was a commie. The John Birchers said the same thing about Ike. Fvcking idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>â€œPunch, you should rethink using wiki. Itâ€™s not reliable and was completely wrong in this case. Steed Lankershimâ€</p>
<p>Really? Is that why it recently tested as reliable as other encyclopedias? I hear bias again on your part pumpkin.</em></p>
<p>Wiki does have problems with partisan, right wing hacks like steed filling it with nonsense, conjecture, propaganda, mis-information and outright falsehoods, and vandals, which is why I reccomend reading the discussion page tab at every article and checking the history tab as well. It&#8217;s an excellent resource and I have spent some time reverting articles with complete right wing bullshit myself. Like FDR was a commie. The John Birchers said the same thing about Ike. Fvcking idiots.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431279', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/30/10-billion-isnt-enough/comment-page-3/#comment-431275</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you have to figure if this was a jury of Alaskans, it was one freaky bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you have to figure if this was a jury of Alaskans, it was one freaky bunch.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431275', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s MAO inhibitors. And I know we are on the same page. And you are right, he shouldn&#039;t have been drinking on the job anymore than a pilot should be drinking before he gets in the cockpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s MAO inhibitors. And I know we are on the same page. And you are right, he shouldn&#8217;t have been drinking on the job anymore than a pilot should be drinking before he gets in the cockpit.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431272', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Gordon,

Iâ€™m not a prohibitionists, I love a good swig of the grog - I just donâ€™t go driving big boats when I do :)

The numbers for the effects of alcohol on motor skills is pretty well documented though. 

Comment by RightPunch&lt;/em&gt;

RP, 

I know your are a smart guy, but the &quot;numbers&quot; are completely arbitrary and ideologically driven. And that&#039;s why, as a smart guy, I would hitch my wagon to another team of horses. If they were the same for everyone, doctors wouldn&#039;t prescribe dosage of any drug by body weight, volume and body mass and other factors. MADD has more to do with right wing evangelical extremism than anything else. That&#039;s why idiots on the right always make me laugh. They have no idea what they are facilitating. Wait till it gets to their hooch and guns, and it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Gordon,</p>
<p>Iâ€™m not a prohibitionists, I love a good swig of the grog &#8211; I just donâ€™t go driving big boats when I do :)</p>
<p>The numbers for the effects of alcohol on motor skills is pretty well documented though. </p>
<p>Comment by RightPunch</em></p>
<p>RP, </p>
<p>I know your are a smart guy, but the &#8220;numbers&#8221; are completely arbitrary and ideologically driven. And that&#8217;s why, as a smart guy, I would hitch my wagon to another team of horses. If they were the same for everyone, doctors wouldn&#8217;t prescribe dosage of any drug by body weight, volume and body mass and other factors. MADD has more to do with right wing evangelical extremism than anything else. That&#8217;s why idiots on the right always make me laugh. They have no idea what they are facilitating. Wait till it gets to their hooch and guns, and it will.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431269', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steed Lankershim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steed Lankershim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Clearly he had a pro-oil republican jury.&lt;/em&gt; RightPunch.
Here&#039;s your &quot;Republican&quot; jury Punchie.  You should read The Paranoid Style in American Politics, By Richard Hofstadter.  You are clearly paranoid.  PLH.

http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV342.html

ANCHORAGE- Twelve jurors were picked from a pool of more than 60 potential jurors who were questioned in early May during a process called voir dire. After the candidates filled out a questionnaire, attorneys on both sides asked how they felt about alcohol abuse, large corporations and large punitive damage awards, and how much they knew about the 1989 spill and Capt. Joe Hazelwood. One juror was dismissed for unknown reasons halfway through the trial. Ages are estimated on appearance, unless specific ages are given. 

JENNIFER L. SMITH


AGE, HOMETOWN: 30s, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Clerk, state court personnel department


DETAILS: Smith was living in Alaska and working as a trial clerk in the state court at the time of the spill. She said she had no strong opinions about Hazelwood, &quot;other than I know he was involved. He was the captain and he was not on the bridge at the time it happened.&quot; When she was asked if she could be fair, she said, &quot;There is no doubt in my mind.&quot;


LINDA L. HOOD


AGE, HOMETOWN: 40s, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Clerk, Providence Hospital


DETAILS: Hood, born in Anchorage, was a former flight attendant for Wien Air Alaska. She likes reading John Grisham novels. Her husband is a Teamster, and she has a daughter who is studying at the University of Oregon. &quot;I have no strong feelings about the oil industry,&quot; she said.


ROSE MARTIN


AGE, HOMETOWN: 34, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Homemaker, school volunteer


DETAILS: Martin moved to Alaska from South Carolina shortly after the spill. Her husband is in the Air Force and scheduled to be transferred in 1995. They have two children, ages 7 and 12. Martin sat through the first three months of the trial; then, as the jury deliberated what to award the fishermen in actual damages, she was dismissed from the panel. The reason for her dismissal is contained in a sealed court document.


BRUCE A. DEAN


AGE, HOMETOWN: 42, Wasilla


OCCUPATION: Unemployed miner


DETAILS: Dean, in the mining business for 20 years in Colorado and Utah, moved to Alaska about eight years ago. Asked what he liked about his work, he said, &quot;I like to blow stuff up.&quot; In 1989, he worked for Martech on the oil-spill cleanup. He said he has no views on the oil industry but has had some &quot;go arounds&quot; with environmental regulators. Exxon attorneys wanted to know why he wrote &quot;BAD&quot; on the jury form next to questions about the oil industry. He responded, &quot;It is my initials.&quot;


NANCY L. PROVOST


AGE, HOMETOWN: 60s, Wasilla


OCCUPATION: Retired factory worker


DETAILS: Provost is a widow who moved to Alaska two years ago to live with her daughter. Until then, she lived in Indiana and Kentucky and was a factory worker and nurse&#039;s aide. She likes to read Agatha Christie mysteries. During voir dire, she said, &quot;I&#039;ve had doubts: Am I smart enough to do this?&quot;


DOUGLAS A. GRAHAM


AGE, HOMETOWN: 34, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Unemployed


DETAILS: Graham moved from Arizona to Anchorage 18 years ago with his family. He has relatives who worked on the spill cleanup. His mother is asthmatic, and currently he cares for her. During voir dire, he said, &quot;I don&#039;t always believe everything I read in the newspapers.&quot;


KATHERINE J. MOOR


AGE, HOMETOWN: 67, Wasilla


OCCUPATION: Bookkeeper


DETAILS: Moor has lived in Alaska more than 40 years and has six children. She has held a variety of accounting jobs, including working for Rural Alaska and the Mat-Su Borough. In the 1970s, her husband worked for the United Nations and they lived in Pakistan for three years. She said members of her family have had some problems with alcohol and she had been involved in a couple of lawsuits, but she did not understand what punitive damages were.


JEWEL SPANN


AGE, HOMETOWN: 55, Kenai


OCCUPATION: Fast-food restaurant worker


DETAILS: Spann lived in Alaska from 1969 to 1973, moved to Arizona, then returned to Alaska in the mid-1980s. She enjoys fishing and gardening and was working at McDonald&#039;s at the start of the trial. She has family members who have worked in the oil industry.


RITA C. WILSON


AGE, HOMETOWN: 30s, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Secretary, Sand Lake Elementary School


DETAILS: Wilson has lived in Anchorage since age 11. She said she doesn&#039;t read the newspapers, she only does the crossword puzzles. She said that the 1989 spill did not affect her life and that &quot;it was supposedly hard on our oceans and some of our friends got greedy, it changed their personalities.&quot;


JANETTE L. GARRISON


AGE, HOMETOWN: 46, Palmer


OCCUPATION: Custodian


DETAILS: Garrison moved to Alaska in 1982. Her husband was a setnet fisherman in 1985 and 1986. She said the only thing she knew about the spill is that &quot;the ship hit Bligh Reef. Somebody didn&#039;t turn it.&quot; Exxon attorneys didn&#039;t want her on the jury because they feared she might have a bias against Hazelwood. Judge Holland said, &quot;I think this is a fair-minded lady.&quot;


MARGARET L. JOHNSON


AGE, HOMETOWN: 46, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Custodian, Anchorage School District


DETAILS: When Johnson came to Alaska in 1969, she worked for a fish processor. She said she doesn&#039;t read the newspapers, so after some time she didn&#039;t give the spill much thought. &quot;Nobody got hurt so I didn&#039;t think more about it.&quot; She likes sports fishing.


KEN S. MURRAY


AGE, HOMETOWN: 42, Anchorage


OCCUPATION: Unemployed college counselor

DETAILS: Murray grew up in Arkansas and moved to Alaska in 1990 from Memphis, Tenn. His wife is a school teacher; he was a counselor at the private Alaska Junior College until he was laid off. He is a member of the Rotary. He said his knowledge of the facts about the grounding were &quot;a little shady right now.&quot; His fellow jurors picked him as their foreman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Clearly he had a pro-oil republican jury.</em> RightPunch.<br />
Here&#8217;s your &#8220;Republican&#8221; jury Punchie.  You should read The Paranoid Style in American Politics, By Richard Hofstadter.  You are clearly paranoid.  PLH.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV342.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV342.html</a></p>
<p>ANCHORAGE- Twelve jurors were picked from a pool of more than 60 potential jurors who were questioned in early May during a process called voir dire. After the candidates filled out a questionnaire, attorneys on both sides asked how they felt about alcohol abuse, large corporations and large punitive damage awards, and how much they knew about the 1989 spill and Capt. Joe Hazelwood. One juror was dismissed for unknown reasons halfway through the trial. Ages are estimated on appearance, unless specific ages are given. </p>
<p>JENNIFER L. SMITH</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 30s, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Clerk, state court personnel department</p>
<p>DETAILS: Smith was living in Alaska and working as a trial clerk in the state court at the time of the spill. She said she had no strong opinions about Hazelwood, &#8220;other than I know he was involved. He was the captain and he was not on the bridge at the time it happened.&#8221; When she was asked if she could be fair, she said, &#8220;There is no doubt in my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>LINDA L. HOOD</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 40s, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Clerk, Providence Hospital</p>
<p>DETAILS: Hood, born in Anchorage, was a former flight attendant for Wien Air Alaska. She likes reading John Grisham novels. Her husband is a Teamster, and she has a daughter who is studying at the University of Oregon. &#8220;I have no strong feelings about the oil industry,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>ROSE MARTIN</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 34, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Homemaker, school volunteer</p>
<p>DETAILS: Martin moved to Alaska from South Carolina shortly after the spill. Her husband is in the Air Force and scheduled to be transferred in 1995. They have two children, ages 7 and 12. Martin sat through the first three months of the trial; then, as the jury deliberated what to award the fishermen in actual damages, she was dismissed from the panel. The reason for her dismissal is contained in a sealed court document.</p>
<p>BRUCE A. DEAN</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 42, Wasilla</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Unemployed miner</p>
<p>DETAILS: Dean, in the mining business for 20 years in Colorado and Utah, moved to Alaska about eight years ago. Asked what he liked about his work, he said, &#8220;I like to blow stuff up.&#8221; In 1989, he worked for Martech on the oil-spill cleanup. He said he has no views on the oil industry but has had some &#8220;go arounds&#8221; with environmental regulators. Exxon attorneys wanted to know why he wrote &#8220;BAD&#8221; on the jury form next to questions about the oil industry. He responded, &#8220;It is my initials.&#8221;</p>
<p>NANCY L. PROVOST</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 60s, Wasilla</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Retired factory worker</p>
<p>DETAILS: Provost is a widow who moved to Alaska two years ago to live with her daughter. Until then, she lived in Indiana and Kentucky and was a factory worker and nurse&#8217;s aide. She likes to read Agatha Christie mysteries. During voir dire, she said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had doubts: Am I smart enough to do this?&#8221;</p>
<p>DOUGLAS A. GRAHAM</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 34, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Unemployed</p>
<p>DETAILS: Graham moved from Arizona to Anchorage 18 years ago with his family. He has relatives who worked on the spill cleanup. His mother is asthmatic, and currently he cares for her. During voir dire, he said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t always believe everything I read in the newspapers.&#8221;</p>
<p>KATHERINE J. MOOR</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 67, Wasilla</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Bookkeeper</p>
<p>DETAILS: Moor has lived in Alaska more than 40 years and has six children. She has held a variety of accounting jobs, including working for Rural Alaska and the Mat-Su Borough. In the 1970s, her husband worked for the United Nations and they lived in Pakistan for three years. She said members of her family have had some problems with alcohol and she had been involved in a couple of lawsuits, but she did not understand what punitive damages were.</p>
<p>JEWEL SPANN</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 55, Kenai</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Fast-food restaurant worker</p>
<p>DETAILS: Spann lived in Alaska from 1969 to 1973, moved to Arizona, then returned to Alaska in the mid-1980s. She enjoys fishing and gardening and was working at McDonald&#8217;s at the start of the trial. She has family members who have worked in the oil industry.</p>
<p>RITA C. WILSON</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 30s, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Secretary, Sand Lake Elementary School</p>
<p>DETAILS: Wilson has lived in Anchorage since age 11. She said she doesn&#8217;t read the newspapers, she only does the crossword puzzles. She said that the 1989 spill did not affect her life and that &#8220;it was supposedly hard on our oceans and some of our friends got greedy, it changed their personalities.&#8221;</p>
<p>JANETTE L. GARRISON</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 46, Palmer</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Custodian</p>
<p>DETAILS: Garrison moved to Alaska in 1982. Her husband was a setnet fisherman in 1985 and 1986. She said the only thing she knew about the spill is that &#8220;the ship hit Bligh Reef. Somebody didn&#8217;t turn it.&#8221; Exxon attorneys didn&#8217;t want her on the jury because they feared she might have a bias against Hazelwood. Judge Holland said, &#8220;I think this is a fair-minded lady.&#8221;</p>
<p>MARGARET L. JOHNSON</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 46, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Custodian, Anchorage School District</p>
<p>DETAILS: When Johnson came to Alaska in 1969, she worked for a fish processor. She said she doesn&#8217;t read the newspapers, so after some time she didn&#8217;t give the spill much thought. &#8220;Nobody got hurt so I didn&#8217;t think more about it.&#8221; She likes sports fishing.</p>
<p>KEN S. MURRAY</p>
<p>AGE, HOMETOWN: 42, Anchorage</p>
<p>OCCUPATION: Unemployed college counselor</p>
<p>DETAILS: Murray grew up in Arkansas and moved to Alaska in 1990 from Memphis, Tenn. His wife is a school teacher; he was a counselor at the private Alaska Junior College until he was laid off. He is a member of the Rotary. He said his knowledge of the facts about the grounding were &#8220;a little shady right now.&#8221; His fellow jurors picked him as their foreman.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431209', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steed Lankershim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steed Lankershim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punch, you should rethink using wiki.  It&#039;s not reliable and was completely wrong in this case.  As for your statement:
&lt;em&gt;has a blood alcohol level that could marinate beef&lt;/em&gt;
was ridiculous, but your ego won&#039;t allow you to admit that everything you&#039;ve posted is completely false.  My sources were the opinions of the 9th Circuit which cited the Supreme Court and Justice Breyer.  I gave you the case number but you refused to read it.  It was so much easier to read a couple of paragraphs on wiki, wasn&#039;t it?

http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV63.html

Assistant Attorney General Brent Cole, tackling the biggest case of his career, was more willing to admit weaknesses in the state&#039;s $300,000plus prosecution.

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;We knew that of the people we had interviewed nobody would say he was impaired&lt;/strong&gt;. We felt that the physical evidence was a better determination of that than what people were going to say,&quot; he said.

Juror Sage, a Carrs grocery manager whose sister died in a drunken driving accident several years ago, said the state&#039;s evidence that Hazelwood was drunk made no sense.

&lt;strong&gt;Prosecutors relied on a bloodalcohol expert who used a process called &quot;retrograde extrapolation&quot; to calculate backward to midnight from the .061 result of Hazelwood&#039;s 10:30 a.m. blood test&lt;/strong&gt;. The expert, Richard Prouty, said Hazelwood would have had a blood alcohol count of at least .14 at the time of the grounding. But he also said the blood alcohol concentration at the time of grounding could have been much higher, perhaps as much as .37.

Defense experts said Prouty&#039;s backcalculation process is useless after more than a couple of hours. It had never been used to estimate an alcohol concentration 11 hours before a test.

Sage said the Anchorage jury didn&#039;t want to be the first to convict a person on &lt;strong&gt;such speculative grounds&lt;/strong&gt;.

&quot;I don&#039;t think any juror wanted to stick their neck out that far,&quot; Sage said.

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;If Captain Hazelwood is an average Joe . . . he&#039;s going to be practically dead,&quot; Sage said. &quot;He would have had to have 25 to 30 drinks&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

At most, witnesses placed five drinks in Hazelwood&#039;s hand. But, according to the state&#039;s own analysis, Hazelwood would have been dead drunk when the Exxon Valdez put to sea.

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Captain Hazelwood would have had to crawl back to his ship,&quot; while witnesses testified he looked sober &quot;and his commands were clear and concise throughout&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; Sage said.

Jurors were not told that Hazelwood had a history of drunken driving convictions and had spent time at an alcohol rehabilitation clinic. And although the &lt;strong&gt;.061&lt;/strong&gt; blood alcohol concentration exceeded federal standards for operating a vessel, Hazelwood was tried under Alaska laws, which provide more leeway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punch, you should rethink using wiki.  It&#8217;s not reliable and was completely wrong in this case.  As for your statement:<br />
<em>has a blood alcohol level that could marinate beef</em><br />
was ridiculous, but your ego won&#8217;t allow you to admit that everything you&#8217;ve posted is completely false.  My sources were the opinions of the 9th Circuit which cited the Supreme Court and Justice Breyer.  I gave you the case number but you refused to read it.  It was so much easier to read a couple of paragraphs on wiki, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV63.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adn.com/evos/stories/EV63.html</a></p>
<p>Assistant Attorney General Brent Cole, tackling the biggest case of his career, was more willing to admit weaknesses in the state&#8217;s $300,000plus prosecution.</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>We knew that of the people we had interviewed nobody would say he was impaired</strong>. We felt that the physical evidence was a better determination of that than what people were going to say,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Juror Sage, a Carrs grocery manager whose sister died in a drunken driving accident several years ago, said the state&#8217;s evidence that Hazelwood was drunk made no sense.</p>
<p><strong>Prosecutors relied on a bloodalcohol expert who used a process called &#8220;retrograde extrapolation&#8221; to calculate backward to midnight from the .061 result of Hazelwood&#8217;s 10:30 a.m. blood test</strong>. The expert, Richard Prouty, said Hazelwood would have had a blood alcohol count of at least .14 at the time of the grounding. But he also said the blood alcohol concentration at the time of grounding could have been much higher, perhaps as much as .37.</p>
<p>Defense experts said Prouty&#8217;s backcalculation process is useless after more than a couple of hours. It had never been used to estimate an alcohol concentration 11 hours before a test.</p>
<p>Sage said the Anchorage jury didn&#8217;t want to be the first to convict a person on <strong>such speculative grounds</strong>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think any juror wanted to stick their neck out that far,&#8221; Sage said.</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>If Captain Hazelwood is an average Joe . . . he&#8217;s going to be practically dead,&#8221; Sage said. &#8220;He would have had to have 25 to 30 drinks</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>At most, witnesses placed five drinks in Hazelwood&#8217;s hand. But, according to the state&#8217;s own analysis, Hazelwood would have been dead drunk when the Exxon Valdez put to sea.</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Captain Hazelwood would have had to crawl back to his ship,&#8221; while witnesses testified he looked sober &#8220;and his commands were clear and concise throughout</strong>,&#8221; Sage said.</p>
<p>Jurors were not told that Hazelwood had a history of drunken driving convictions and had spent time at an alcohol rehabilitation clinic. And although the <strong>.061</strong> blood alcohol concentration exceeded federal standards for operating a vessel, Hazelwood was tried under Alaska laws, which provide more leeway.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431201', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Founder of MADD agrees with me, that&#039;s why she left MADD and is a lobbyist for the liquor industry now as you can see from her own words above. My opinion? Alcohol is far worse than weed, but prohibition is worse than heroin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Founder of MADD agrees with me, that&#8217;s why she left MADD and is a lobbyist for the liquor industry now as you can see from her own words above. My opinion? Alcohol is far worse than weed, but prohibition is worse than heroin.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431156', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Gordon Giddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Gordon Giddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave the alcohol level of the captain out of it. Negligence is enough and he was negligent. He should have had his Captains cert. pulled years ago. If he was sober at the time his actions and behaviors were enough to find him negligent and incompetent. As far as MADD is concerned you should know that they are neo-prohibitionists. I wouldn&#039;t trust a word that comes from any of them. Yes. They want to prohibit all alcohol again. A couple of years ago I read a newspaper article about one of the women who was high up in the MADD hierarchy admitting that she was a teetotaler and that she was against drinking for any reason. She said MADD was just the start to bringing the country to the point where it would accept prohibition again. I thought this would be big news, but I didnâ€™t hear it mentioned anywhere else. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prohibition.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Prohibition party&lt;/a&gt; is the oldest third party in America. It&#039;s older than the Progressive party. Candy Lightner founded MADD:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Lightner&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Candy Lynne Lightner&lt;/a&gt; (born May 30, 1946), was the organizer and founding president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). In 1980, Ms. Lightnerâ€™s 13-year-old daughter, Cari, was killed by a drunken hit-and-run driver as she walked down a suburban street in California. &quot;I promised myself on the day of Cariâ€™s death that I would fight to make this needless homicide count for something positive in the years aheadâ€ Candy Lightner later wrote.

The leniency of the sentence given to the repeat offender of driving while intoxicated (DWI) outraged Ms. Lightner who then organized Mothers Against Drunk Drivers. The name was later changed to Mothers Against Drunk Driving. The object of her organization was to raise public awareness of the serious nature of drunken driving and to promote tough legislation against the crime.

Candy Lightner appeared on major television shows, spoke before the US Congress, addressed professional and business groups, and worked tirelessly for years to change public attitudes, modify judicial behavior, and promote tough new legislation.

With the passage of time, MADD decided to eliminate all driving after drinking any amount of alcoholic beverage. Ms. Lightner disagreed with this focus and asserted that â€œpolice ought to be concentrating their resources on arresting drunk driversâ€”not those drivers who happen to have been drinking. I worry that the movement I helped create has lost direction.â€

Ms. Lightner left MADD and disagrees with its change in goals. &quot;It has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I ever wanted or envisioned,&quot; she says. &quot;I didn&#039;t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving.&quot;

Candy Lightner is a recipient of the Presidents Volunteer Action Award, an honorary doctorate in humanities and public service, and was the subject of a made-for-television movie, &quot;Mothers Against Drunk Drivers: the Candy Lightner story.&quot; She is the author of â€œAppalling to capitalize on innocentsâ€™ deaths,â€ Wall Street Journal, June 12, 1991, and co-author (with Nancy Hathaway) of Giving Sorrow Words. NY: Warner books, 1990 and â€œThe other side of sorrow,â€ Ladies Home Journal, September 1991, 107(9), 150.&lt;/em&gt;

The thing to remember here is that this is the Ninth Circuit. Supposedly the most &quot;liberal&quot; in the land. Bullshit. There isn&#039;t even a true progressive/liberal on the SCOTUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave the alcohol level of the captain out of it. Negligence is enough and he was negligent. He should have had his Captains cert. pulled years ago. If he was sober at the time his actions and behaviors were enough to find him negligent and incompetent. As far as MADD is concerned you should know that they are neo-prohibitionists. I wouldn&#8217;t trust a word that comes from any of them. Yes. They want to prohibit all alcohol again. A couple of years ago I read a newspaper article about one of the women who was high up in the MADD hierarchy admitting that she was a teetotaler and that she was against drinking for any reason. She said MADD was just the start to bringing the country to the point where it would accept prohibition again. I thought this would be big news, but I didnâ€™t hear it mentioned anywhere else. <a href="http://www.prohibition.org/" rel="nofollow">The Prohibition party</a> is the oldest third party in America. It&#8217;s older than the Progressive party. Candy Lightner founded MADD:</p>
<p><em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Lightner" rel="nofollow">Candy Lynne Lightner</a> (born May 30, 1946), was the organizer and founding president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). In 1980, Ms. Lightnerâ€™s 13-year-old daughter, Cari, was killed by a drunken hit-and-run driver as she walked down a suburban street in California. &#8220;I promised myself on the day of Cariâ€™s death that I would fight to make this needless homicide count for something positive in the years aheadâ€ Candy Lightner later wrote.</p>
<p>The leniency of the sentence given to the repeat offender of driving while intoxicated (DWI) outraged Ms. Lightner who then organized Mothers Against Drunk Drivers. The name was later changed to Mothers Against Drunk Driving. The object of her organization was to raise public awareness of the serious nature of drunken driving and to promote tough legislation against the crime.</p>
<p>Candy Lightner appeared on major television shows, spoke before the US Congress, addressed professional and business groups, and worked tirelessly for years to change public attitudes, modify judicial behavior, and promote tough new legislation.</p>
<p>With the passage of time, MADD decided to eliminate all driving after drinking any amount of alcoholic beverage. Ms. Lightner disagreed with this focus and asserted that â€œpolice ought to be concentrating their resources on arresting drunk driversâ€”not those drivers who happen to have been drinking. I worry that the movement I helped create has lost direction.â€</p>
<p>Ms. Lightner left MADD and disagrees with its change in goals. &#8220;It has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I ever wanted or envisioned,&#8221; she says. &#8220;I didn&#8217;t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving.&#8221;</p>
<p>Candy Lightner is a recipient of the Presidents Volunteer Action Award, an honorary doctorate in humanities and public service, and was the subject of a made-for-television movie, &#8220;Mothers Against Drunk Drivers: the Candy Lightner story.&#8221; She is the author of â€œAppalling to capitalize on innocentsâ€™ deaths,â€ Wall Street Journal, June 12, 1991, and co-author (with Nancy Hathaway) of Giving Sorrow Words. NY: Warner books, 1990 and â€œThe other side of sorrow,â€ Ladies Home Journal, September 1991, 107(9), 150.</em></p>
<p>The thing to remember here is that this is the Ninth Circuit. Supposedly the most &#8220;liberal&#8221; in the land. Bullshit. There isn&#8217;t even a true progressive/liberal on the SCOTUS.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431154', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE OIL CARTELS ARE SWINE!

The CEOs of BIG OIL are the greediest bastards on the planet!</description>
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<p>The CEOs of BIG OIL are the greediest bastards on the planet!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431137', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the opinion of Judge Kleinfeld(1997):
This is an apeal of a $5 billion punitive damages award arising out of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. &lt;strong&gt;This is not a case of befouling the environment&lt;/strong&gt;.This is a case about commercial fishing.The jury was &lt;strong&gt;specifically instructed that it could not award damages for environmental harm&lt;/strong&gt;.The reason is that under a stipulation with the United States and Alaska,Exxon had already been punished for environmental harm.The verdict in this case was for damage to economic expectations for commercial fishermen.
The plaintiffs here were almost entirely compensated for their damages years ago.The punitive damages at issue were awarded to punish Exxon.....are whether punitive damages should have been barred as a matter of law and whether the award was excessive.
&quot;...a hands off appellate deference to juries typical of other kinds of cases and issues,is unconstitutional for punitive damages awards.&quot;(p45)
&quot;BMW..established three guideposts to use in determining whether a punitive damage award is grossly excessive..&quot;(p46)
&quot;we remand for the district court to consider the constitutionality...of the award in light of the guideposts...&quot;(p49)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the opinion of Judge Kleinfeld(1997):<br />
This is an apeal of a $5 billion punitive damages award arising out of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. <strong>This is not a case of befouling the environment</strong>.This is a case about commercial fishing.The jury was <strong>specifically instructed that it could not award damages for environmental harm</strong>.The reason is that under a stipulation with the United States and Alaska,Exxon had already been punished for environmental harm.The verdict in this case was for damage to economic expectations for commercial fishermen.<br />
The plaintiffs here were almost entirely compensated for their damages years ago.The punitive damages at issue were awarded to punish Exxon&#8230;..are whether punitive damages should have been barred as a matter of law and whether the award was excessive.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;a hands off appellate deference to juries typical of other kinds of cases and issues,is unconstitutional for punitive damages awards.&#8221;(p45)<br />
&#8220;BMW..established three guideposts to use in determining whether a punitive damage award is grossly excessive..&#8221;(p46)<br />
&#8220;we remand for the district court to consider the constitutionality&#8230;of the award in light of the guideposts&#8230;&#8221;(p49)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431105', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SpudgeBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpudgeBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Steed still under the impression that anybody here gives a crap what the hell he has to say. We don&#039;t agree with you moron. They should pay their god damn money and STFU. There isn&#039;t one person here who has sympathy for a company that is raping the American people. Stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Steed still under the impression that anybody here gives a crap what the hell he has to say. We don&#8217;t agree with you moron. They should pay their god damn money and STFU. There isn&#8217;t one person here who has sympathy for a company that is raping the American people. Stupid.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=431088', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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