Comments on: SOTU: Bush Has Cut Science Education Funding http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:57:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ernest http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-783969 Ernest Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:09:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-783969 You brain washed loooooosers sure do crack me up!!!!! You idiots are such loooooooooooooooosers. If you people came to power here in the US, we would have to rename the country to Retardoslovakia. You brain washed loooooosers sure do crack me up!!!!!
You idiots are such loooooooooooooooosers.
If you people came to power here in the US, we would have to rename the country to Retardoslovakia.

]]> By: science bistro / the culture of science http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-458463 science bistro / the culture of science Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:05:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-458463 <strong>The science edjumacation president?...</strong> Daily Kos and Think Progress respond to the science aspects of the SOTU. ...... The science edjumacation president?…

Daily Kos and Think Progress respond to the science aspects of the SOTU.

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]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-436677 unbelievable Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:51:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-436677 Thanks Gray, I do appreciate the support. The kids are the reason I'm here. The only reason :). But all of Bush's ridiculous standardized tests (No Child Left Behind) are eroding away what we can do to teach them. It's more about passing the stupid tests to keep funding - memorization of useless facts, really. Assinine - at best. :) <em> I think you can say the pledge as you pledge allegiance to your country and your flag - not your President. Comment by Gary — February 2, 2006 @ 12:57 pm </em> I don't believe in countries or flags either. I think land ownership is wrong. Invisible lines only divide and exclude. Thanks Gray, I do appreciate the support. The kids are the reason I’m here. The only reason :). But all of Bush’s ridiculous standardized tests (No Child Left Behind) are eroding away what we can do to teach them. It’s more about passing the stupid tests to keep funding – memorization of useless facts, really. Assinine – at best. :)

I think you can say the pledge as you pledge allegiance to your country and your flag – not your President.

Comment by Gary — February 2, 2006 @ 12:57 pm

I don’t believe in countries or flags either. I think land ownership is wrong. Invisible lines only divide and exclude.

]]> By: James Gambrell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-436228 James Gambrell Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:54:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-436228 Even more incredible is the details of bush's "70,000 new science and math teachers" program. As mentioned on the NYtimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/politics/02education.html) The plan does not actually increase the number of teachers, it merely "retrains" teachers who are ALREADY science and math teachers! wtf! Its a flat out lie. What's worse, studies show there is no student improvement under better-educated teachers! Specifially, there is no improvement from teachers with masters degree's vs. teachers without. The only meaningful aspect of Bush's plan is the borrowing of professors from local universities to teach additional courses at nearby high schools. That will be great for research. Even more incredible is the details of bush’s “70,000 new science and math teachers” program. As mentioned on the NYtimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/politics/02education.html) The plan does not actually increase the number of teachers, it merely “retrains” teachers who are ALREADY science and math teachers! wtf! Its a flat out lie. What’s worse, studies show there is no student improvement under better-educated teachers! Specifially, there is no improvement from teachers with masters degree’s vs. teachers without. The only meaningful aspect of Bush’s plan is the borrowing of professors from local universities to teach additional courses at nearby high schools. That will be great for research.

]]> By: Gary http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-435359 Gary Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:57:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-435359 #21, unbelievable, of course you are making a difference. It is people like you who adults remember when they look back at their school days - show me someone who doesn't have/remember a favourite teacher and I'll show you a liar. Adults remember such teachers fondly and you never know, are possibly/probably subliminally influenced. While ever there are good, free-thinking people like you your Country has a chance. What chance does America have if all your kind are gone? Just an idea - teachers like you could form or join a political/philosophical forum with students and award prizes to those who show the greatest free-thinking (a bit like the Quakers I guess but without religious overtones). I think you can say the pledge as you pledge allegiance to your country and your flag - not your President. #21, unbelievable, of course you are making a difference. It is people like you who adults remember when they look back at their school days – show me someone who doesn’t have/remember a favourite teacher and I’ll show you a liar. Adults remember such teachers fondly and you never know, are possibly/probably subliminally influenced.
While ever there are good, free-thinking people like you your Country has a chance. What chance does America have if all your kind are gone?
Just an idea – teachers like you could form or join a political/philosophical forum with students and award prizes to those who show the greatest free-thinking (a bit like the Quakers I guess but without religious overtones). I think you can say the pledge as you pledge allegiance to your country and your flag – not your President.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-434219 unbelievable Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:18:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-434219 mr ho, Yale and Harvard should be embarrassed that their diplomas bear G.W.'s name... mr ho,

Yale and Harvard should be embarrassed that their diplomas bear G.W.’s name…

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-434216 unbelievable Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:16:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-434216 <em>Why is the fed involved in education at all? This is a state/local issue. Comment by cyr — January 31, 2006 @ 11:10 pm </em> As a part of their campaign promise to reduce big federal government, clearly... Same as they'll be doing in the Supreme Court meddling in Oregon's Right to Die policy, I'm sure. For Bush, Wednesdays must be 'opposite days'... More Science and Math means will actually mean less. Great. And I wondered why there was, and is, such a gaping shortage of math and science teachers... Why is the fed involved in education at all? This is a state/local issue.

Comment by cyr — January 31, 2006 @ 11:10 pm

As a part of their campaign promise to reduce big federal government, clearly… Same as they’ll be doing in the Supreme Court meddling in Oregon’s Right to Die policy, I’m sure.

For Bush, Wednesdays must be ‘opposite days’… More Science and Math means will actually mean less. Great. And I wondered why there was, and is, such a gaping shortage of math and science teachers…

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-434200 unbelievable Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:08:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-434200 <em>unbelievable, aren’t attendance, obedience and conformity the values of fascists? </em> Scary isn't it - how much the conservative party follows the same footsteps as Mussolini and Hitler... <em>For America’s children to succeed in life they must first succeed in free-thinking, a virtue which is a conflict-of-interest with the current leadership. </em> I am amazed sometimes how stupid adults are after a day around these inquisitive, bright minds. I don't know at what point they finally submit, but much like the ending of 1984, eventually they do give their minds over to Big Brother. Makes me wonder sometimes if I'm actually making any difference. <em>Bushies real goal is to ‘buy’ brains from abroad, not grow them at home.</em> Oh yeah, he gets them wholesale for less that way. <em>I feel for good teachers like you who clearly encourage free-thinking (from earlier posts). You are fighting an uphill struggle from many angles when people like you should be solidly supported. </em> Thank you. I can't express often or deeply enough how much the encouragement and support of people like you and other progressives really matter. Because some days I wonder what if it does matter (this is actually my second career). I'd like to think so, but you just never really know. As you said it's a battle to ave real conversations with tehse kids based on reality because so often their parents are in serious denial about what reality is. Especially when it comes to science in the South... <em>I genuinely fear America will become a Theocracy - so much for science, Bush’s aim is to keep ‘em like sheep and count the votes coming in. Comment by Gary — January 31, 2006 @ 10:43 pm </em> Same here. Because, like you, I'm certain that that is their goal. To make this a Christian country. He's even said as much in his usual odd way. So, under no circumastances will I say the Pledge. Either for the composition or the need to declare my allegence to a concept. I stand up, but that's more because I feel weird sitting down when others around me are at attention :). I don't know where we go now. But I am considering the movie Fahrenheit 451, and the consideration to start hiding Science textbooks now - before they become illegal... unbelievable, aren’t attendance, obedience and conformity the values of fascists?

Scary isn’t it – how much the conservative party follows the same footsteps as Mussolini and Hitler…

For America’s children to succeed in life they must first succeed in free-thinking, a virtue which is a conflict-of-interest with the current leadership.

I am amazed sometimes how stupid adults are after a day around these inquisitive, bright minds. I don’t know at what point they finally submit, but much like the ending of 1984, eventually they do give their minds over to Big Brother. Makes me wonder sometimes if I’m actually making any difference.

Bushies real goal is to ‘buy’ brains from abroad, not grow them at home.

Oh yeah, he gets them wholesale for less that way.

I feel for good teachers like you who clearly encourage free-thinking (from earlier posts). You are fighting an uphill struggle from many angles when people like you should be solidly supported.

Thank you. I can’t express often or deeply enough how much the encouragement and support of people like you and other progressives really matter. Because some days I wonder what if it does matter (this is actually my second career). I’d like to think so, but you just never really know. As you said it’s a battle to ave real conversations with tehse kids based on reality because so often their parents are in serious denial about what reality is. Especially when it comes to science in the South…

I genuinely fear America will become a Theocracy – so much for science, Bush’s aim is to keep ‘em like sheep and count the votes coming in.

Comment by Gary — January 31, 2006 @ 10:43 pm

Same here. Because, like you, I’m certain that that is their goal. To make this a Christian country. He’s even said as much in his usual odd way.

So, under no circumastances will I say the Pledge. Either for the composition or the need to declare my allegence to a concept. I stand up, but that’s more because I feel weird sitting down when others around me are at attention :).

I don’t know where we go now. But I am considering the movie Fahrenheit 451, and the consideration to start hiding Science textbooks now – before they become illegal…

]]> By: mr ho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433541 mr ho Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:33:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433541 I guess when rush limbaugh says this ; 'young skulls full of mush' Students or people of school age. This phrase alludes to the ease of shaping the opinions of people at a young age. he must be referring to 'K-Street' (kindergarten) This could also apply to Milners Kindergarten. As the peoples fight against the empiricists is a long one. perhaps a refresher into the Old Societies, Such as that Produce Rhodes Scholars, Clinton being one. Lord Milner himself was part of the great British Imperialist Cecil Rhodes' 1891. And they agreement "was to devote itself to the preservation and expansion of the <strong>British Empire."</strong> Both Rhodes and Milner, "sought to unite the world, above all the English-speaking world, in a federal structure around Britain." This would be done thru political and economic influence aided by the "control of journalistic, educational, and propaganda agencies." (think Media Spin, Faux News,) When Rhodes died, Milner took over and continued by recruiting bright young men whom could be swayed by power. I guess when rush limbaugh says this ;
‘young skulls full of mush’
Students or people of school age. This phrase alludes to the ease of shaping the opinions of people at a young age.

he must be referring to ‘K-Street’ (kindergarten)

This could also apply to Milners Kindergarten. As the peoples fight against the empiricists is a long one. perhaps a refresher into the Old Societies, Such as that Produce Rhodes Scholars, Clinton being one.
Lord Milner himself was part of the great British Imperialist Cecil Rhodes’ 1891. And they agreement “was to devote itself to the preservation and expansion of the British Empire.” Both Rhodes and Milner, “sought to unite the world, above all the English-speaking world, in a federal structure around Britain.”
This would be done thru political and economic influence aided by the “control of journalistic, educational, and propaganda agencies.” (think Media Spin, Faux News,) When Rhodes died, Milner took over and continued by recruiting bright young men whom could be swayed by power.

]]> By: X-Tra Rant » SCOTUS recap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433509 X-Tra Rant » SCOTUS recap Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433509 [...] The irony of the anti-science Bush Administration trumpeting science education is … well.. near sickening. [...] [...] The irony of the anti-science Bush Administration trumpeting science education is … well.. near sickening. [...]

]]> By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433311 Jericho Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:09:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433311 Hehe, it seems only right Bush thinks it's sensible to cut spending on education.... he never had any education and look where it got him! We all get what we deserve: we get the parents that we deserve, we get the partner we deserve, we get the children we deserve, we get the job we deserve and we get the presidents we deserve. Too bad the world deserves Bush. The cause is probably a lack of education for all of us. Hehe, it seems only right Bush thinks it’s sensible to cut spending on education…. he never had any education and look where it got him! We all get what we deserve: we get the parents that we deserve, we get the partner we deserve, we get the children we deserve, we get the job we deserve and we get the presidents we deserve. Too bad the world deserves Bush. The cause is probably a lack of education for all of us.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433147 keith Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:56:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433147 Weird he would decide that we need to make American students better at math and science just after Republicans make it harder for those students to then get student loans. Weird he would decide that we need to make American students better at math and science just after Republicans make it harder for those students to then get student loans.

]]> By: Willy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433111 Willy Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:05:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433111 Bush is so stupid he thinks the earth is flat. His peanut brain can't comprehend that the earth is round which explains why he is trying to destroy science. He also believes that the second coming is right around the corner which explains why he believes that the environment doesn't need to be saved for future generations. Dumbest preznut ever! Bush is so stupid he thinks the earth is flat. His peanut brain can’t comprehend that the earth is round which explains why he is trying to destroy science.

He also believes that the second coming is right around the corner which explains why he believes that the environment doesn’t need to be saved for future generations.

Dumbest preznut ever!

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-433023 Gregor Samsa Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:39:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-433023 Of course teachers are being told to stop teaching science. Where would Bush & Co draw supporters from, if people knew hos stupid they sound when they say things like "Global Warming is just a theory"? How could they govern if people understood it's acceptable to ask questions, and to demand evidence to back up what's being said? Minions and followers are made, not born. Of course teachers are being told to stop teaching science.

Where would Bush & Co draw supporters from, if people knew hos stupid they sound when they say things like “Global Warming is just a theory”?

How could they govern if people understood it’s acceptable to ask questions, and to demand evidence to back up what’s being said?

Minions and followers are made, not born.

]]> By: Dr Jarstfer http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432997 Dr Jarstfer Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:23:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432997 FYI: The NIH budget was cut for the first time in about 30 years for the 2006 budget. Funding of NIH research proposals was ~26% of all proposals submitted in 2001 and is now ~15%. We are losing the edge in science very rapidly. FYI:
The NIH budget was cut for the first time in about 30 years for the 2006 budget. Funding of NIH research proposals was ~26% of all proposals submitted in 2001 and is now ~15%. We are losing the edge in science very rapidly.

]]> By: ReidBlog http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432986 ReidBlog Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:16:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432986 <strong>The blogging of the president - SOTU edition...</strong> Well, this is no longer the guy who eschewed nation building ... Oh, and you're gonna have to face it, we're addicted to oil. ...... The blogging of the president – SOTU edition…

Well, this is no longer the guy who eschewed nation building … Oh, and you’re gonna have to face it, we’re addicted to oil. ……

]]> By: cyr http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432980 cyr Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:10:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432980 Why is the fed involved in education at all? This is a state/local issue. Why is the fed involved in education at all? This is a state/local issue.

]]> By: Elana from DMI http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432978 Elana from DMI Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:08:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432978 Holy Un-funded mandates Batman. I swear that's the only thing I heard when Bush said all this. Luckily someone else here broke this down for a look at what really happened in education under Bush. http://www.dmiblog.net/archives/2006/01/dmi_on_the_sotu_leave_behind_t.html stuff like the fact that "38 of 48 states do not have sufficient state-level staff needed to successfully implement NCLB" Holy Un-funded mandates Batman.

I swear that’s the only thing I heard when Bush said all this. Luckily someone else here broke this down for a look at what really happened in education under Bush.

http://www.dmiblog.net/archives/2006/01/dmi_on_the_sotu_leave_behind_t.html
stuff like the fact that
“38 of 48 states do not have sufficient state-level staff needed to successfully implement NCLB”

]]> By: cyr http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432973 cyr Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:01:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432973 Oh, yea. You can learn science when you can't read and do basic math. New one on me. Oh, yea. You can learn science when you can’t read and do basic math. New one on me.

]]> By: Gary http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-432949 Gary Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:43:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-has-cut-science-education-funding/#comment-432949 unbelievable, aren't attendance, obedience and conformity the values of fascists? For America's children to succeed in life they must first succeed in free-thinking, a virtue which is a conflict-of-interest with the current leadership. Bushies real goal is to 'buy' brains from abroad, not grow them at home. I feel for good teachers like you who clearly encourage free-thinking (from earlier posts). You are fighting an uphill struggle from many angles when people like you should be solidly supported. I genuinely fear America will become a Theocracy - so much for science, Bush's aim is to keep 'em like sheep and count the votes coming in. unbelievable, aren’t attendance, obedience and conformity the values of fascists? For America’s children to succeed in life they must first succeed in free-thinking, a virtue which is a conflict-of-interest with the current leadership. Bushies real goal is to ‘buy’ brains from abroad, not grow them at home.
I feel for good teachers like you who clearly encourage free-thinking (from earlier posts). You are fighting an uphill struggle from many angles when people like you should be solidly supported. I genuinely fear America will become a Theocracy – so much for science, Bush’s aim is to keep ‘em like sheep and count the votes coming in.

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