Grover Norquist: Bush Broke The Law
Grover Norquist: Bush Broke The Law
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan wants to make the controversy about Bush’s warrantless domestic surveillance program a partisan issue. Last week, McClellan issued this statement:
The NSA’s terrorist surveillance program is targeted at al Qaeda communications coming into or going out of the United States…Senate Democrats continue to engage in misleading and outlandish charges about this vital tool…It defies common sense for Democrats to now claim the administration is acting outside its authority…
It’s not true. Some of the most conservative members of the Senate have said they think Bush broke the law. Now Grover Norquist, one of the most important leaders of the conservative movement, declared the program illegal:
Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s not either/or. If the president thinks he needs different tools, pass a law to get them. Don’t break the existing laws.“
How does this work into Karl Rove’s 2006 strategy?
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Norquist is a money launderer. He’s probably knows or is afraid his “friends” got all the dirty info on him. He can drop dead with Bush for all I give a SH*T.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:03 pmStop practicing your love on Grover, Gus!
This is very interesting. Grover must be in some kind of trouble to openly attack Bush and the admin this way.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:07 pmNew law to spy on everyone coming to your hometown soon!
February 1st, 2006 at 3:12 pm“The NSA’s terrorist surveillance program is targeted at al Qaeda communications coming into or going out of the United States…†per Scottie.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:12 pmOh yea? How do you really know that Scottie? You’ve been fed lies before. The only thing his illegal surveillance get’s Bush is no oversight. So how can anyone say what he’s doing with the program? It has no oversight. What’s wrong with some oversight?
Well, we are told they are gleaning thousands, even millions of calls and sifting through them. SO… are we to conclude that there are thousands/millions of calls from al Queda coming and going from our country? Do we have someone in this country recieving Thousands/hundreds of calls from Al Queda? If so, why is this person still on the loose? IT just makes no sense at all. It sounds false, it rings false, the logic is false. I think what we have here is a loose cannon of a president reaching for any excuse at all to do whatever he wants to whoever he wants and country that just can’t believe we have such a jackass in the oval office.
They are eating each other’s babies now. I love this. Anybody still back these domestic terrorists needs to be sent to be extraordinarily rendered to Syria for some torture.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:18 pmHere’s an email being passed around the fine evangelicals in Texas:
In a message dated 1/31/2006 2:53:11 PM Central Standard Time, Kld1989 writes:
Subject: FW: Problem w/naming hurricanes (UNCLASSIFIED)
Well, it appears our African American friends have found something else
to be pissed off about. A black congresswoman (this would be Sheila
Jackson Lee, of Houston) reportedly complained that the names of
hurricanes are all Caucasian- sounding names.
She would prefer some names that reflect African -American culture such
as Chamiqua, Woeisha, and Jamal.
I can hear it now: A black weatherman in Houston saying…
“Wordup, Muthas! Herr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin’ fo’ Galveston like
Leroy on a crotch rocket!
Bitch be a category fo’!
So, turn off dem chitlins, grab yo’ chirren, leave yo crib, and head fo’
de nearest FEMA office fo yo FREE shit”.
This was sent to me by my fine preacher brother-in-law here in good ole Dallas Texas.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:19 pmIts time for everyone doesn’t matter what party they are aligned with this is about Civil rights and keeping our country from becoming a Facist country or wait we’re already there ..herr bushco
February 1st, 2006 at 3:20 pmHmm. Grovers son Recently Went ‘Democratic’, I hear, to protect the Sons Career? Speculating here.
then theres this;
“In the Boston Globe story, Norquist said he sent money to the two anti-gambling groups in Alabama because the tribe wanted to block gambling competition in the state. He said he and his staff never informed the Alabama Christian Coalition about the original source of the funds.
“Butler said ATR made the contributions to the Alabama groups because it opposes government-run lotteries.
and Finally the Abramoff Thing;
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jan-01-Sun-2006/opinion/5113570.html
Another group pledging to help Beers — Americans for Tax Reform, Grover Norquist’s outfit, whose financial records have been subpoenaed by Congress in connection to the Jack Abramoff scandal.
“Siegelman said Friday he believes the antigambling groups knew that they were receiving Mississippi gambling money.
“‘They took Indian casino money to deny Alabama college students the right to go to college for free,’ the former governor said. Siegelman’s lottery plan would have funded various education programs, including college scholarships for high school seniors similar to the lottery-funded Hope Scholarship program in Georgia.”
And also;
Grover Norquist, perhaps the most powerful Republican coalition builder in the country, was a member of the host committee and echoed the theme earlier in the day, saying “The only way DeLay would be damaged is if his friends walked away from him.” So reading this in the New York Times, it seemed that Norquist suddenly fell off message:
“Absent from the dais was one of Mr. DeLay’s most outspoken defenders, Mr. Norquist, who was listed in the program as a sponsor. Earlier in the day he described the event as an important show of support for the majority leader.
“But Mr. Norquist was not visible at the dinner and seats at his group’s table remained empty. Nor was there any high-powered representative from the White House at the event.”
February 1st, 2006 at 3:27 pm#They are eating each other’s babies now. I love this. Anybody still back these domestic terrorists needs to be sent to be extraordinarily rendered to Syria for some torture.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 1, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
Yupp, Now Im waiting for Rush Limbaugh to go after Norquist, and coulter after Hannity, and Colmes after Olielly,
February 1st, 2006 at 3:31 pmThe Rabid ankle Biters only have each other left to ‘eat cheese’ on.
The Drama mamas have dug their proverbial Grave
Oh Boy This ones a ‘political Winner’
Grover Norquist, perhaps the most powerful Republican coalition builder in the country, was a member of the host committee and echoed the theme earlier in the day, saying “The only way DeLay would be damaged is if his friends walked away from him.†So reading this in the New York Times, it seemed that Norquist suddenly fell off message:
“Absent from the dais was one of Mr. DeLay’s most outspoken defenders, Mr. Norquist, who was listed in the program as a sponsor. Earlier in the day he (norquist) described the event as an important show of support for the majority leader.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:33 pmActually, that is kinda funny Gus. Sure, it’s racist. Don’t blame me, blame the preachers for spreading it.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:33 pmTo be accurate, the quote in the story is “Don’t break the existing laws” not that Bush broke the law. I know that’s what you assumed but I think it’s worth waiting for the process to play out.The hearings that start on Monday start the process moving forward and without that process,you’re just another voice in the wilderness.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:36 pm#6 OH COME ON NOW! No one in the south are still racists and fascists. They are christians! The kinda that believe in Jesus! You know the man of pea..err war. And everyone knows Jesus was WHTIE…WHITE POWER! WHITE. He was no brown skined stinking jew or arab.
These people should have their words enshrined right up there with Martin Luther King Jr. and Thomas Jefferson. They know what is right for America.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:40 pmTJM, here is a little proof to the administration lying about the program and in fact breaking the law.
A senetor specifically asked Gonzales in Jan. of 2005, “does the president have the inherint power to break the law and wiretap american citizens without a warrant” (Paraphrasing), and Gonzales said “I am assuming that you are talking hypothetically, and that answer would be no.”
So since this program was going on since 9/11/01, it is very clear that Gonzales LIED to congress, which is a felony.
If he lied, don’t you think that the rest of the bunch is lying? It only stands to reason that this would be the case. Not providing information, destroying information (again a felony), and so on…..
February 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmRemove you miss what I’m saying. It matters not the least whether you,me and everybody else here “knows” GWB has broken the law. Without a process of formal investigation,including the hearings which are to start on Monday,it’s just so much talk.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:55 pmOK, that’s true. It’s kind of hard to say that they are innocent. It’s like finding a man over the body with the murder weapon and him still commiting the act, yet trying to say that he did nothing wrong.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:05 pmNorquist is also a principal liaison betweeb Bush and domestic Muslim groups. If I’m not mistaken, he’s married to a Muslim, and does substantial fundraising with these groups.
No doubt, many of his associates are concerned that they may be the subject of surveillance.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:11 pmAlito recusals in order. A bunch of ‘em.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:11 pmNever mind the question of obviously violating American law.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t a better question be that with all the domestic spying, and the taping of possibly thousands of private citizen’s phone lines, just how many terrorists has the government caught and successfully prosecuted with that information?
I mean, if I was a liberal concerned with individual rights I’d ask that.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:14 pmtoo bad Norquist’s not the AG, eh? as in, someone who can actually launch an action against Bush?
February 1st, 2006 at 4:17 pmHey Joe,
That’s a matter of national security. We can’t tell you that, we would not want the enemy to find out we know something. Oh Wait! If the person is arrested, they can’t answer thier phones or emails, so the enemy can assume that they have been captured.
We need to think of another clever cover…… Oh yeah, we don’t arrest them in hopes of them leading us to their leader…. Yeah that’s the ticket. Publish that if the question is asked.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:17 pmIt’s not funny kindness. These jokes come from people who disguise their racism with Republican talking points. These are people who want to punish other people for being screwed by their elected officials. These are people who kick you when you’re down and call it “ownership society”. These are people who don’t care that 50% of Iraqis want to hurt American soldiers because in the end they don’t care about Iraqis either.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:18 pmI know. But I laugh at EVERYBODY. Me included. I don’t think that any newcaster would ACTUALLY talk like that. The mental picture and the untrue stereotype were funny.
Call me anti PC, sometimes I am. Doesn’t mean I actually believe that stuff though.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:25 pm13. That might terrify you, but Jesus was an arab, and i doubt very much that he had white skin living in the desert.
I just wonder, when are you guys going to start use the verbs in the correct (present) tense?
Are you going to be a police state? Are you going to have a dictator as a president? You won’t let your rights be taken away?
Well, guess what?
Your last fair president election was in 1996.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:28 pmYour goverment spy on dissedents.
Your army torture, kill and rape inocent civilians.
Your dictador-in-chief is a war criminal.
the deeper we look, the dirtier it is. Three more years of this?….Al Capone is starting to look like a saint. O/T but is it true laura bush had a t-shirt on under her dress that said..”I’M WITH STUPID’..????
February 1st, 2006 at 4:49 pmBush flouts the law and the Constitution; he invades other countries illegally; he has set new heights for hubris and arrogance with his crony appointments; he has made our country more vulnerable to threats and disasters; but among his appointments are lawyers and judges who will see to it that he escapes due justice for his crimes.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:51 pm#6 – Gus, tell him this one, and that it came from a recovering Southern Baptist:
A man went to speak to his Southern Baptist pastor about wanting to arrange a marriage.
Scratching the fleas in his beard, the farmer starts the conversation with his pastor: “Revern’, I’ve got hankering fer a marriage! I’ve been in luv fer a while, and need to get myself on the right side with Gawd! I cain’t see myself ‘n the little woman livin’ in sin no more, ayup!†Spits chaw’n tabbaky on the floor.
“Well, my son, Gawd sure is powerful happy that you wanna get yourself right with Him! Shore nuff! I’d be happy to get ya hitched! Whose you interested in tyin’ the knot with, hmmm?†as he raises his eyes to the roof in reverence to the Lord.
“Well, I figured I’d be hitchin’ myself up with my mammy ‘n sister!†The farmer smiles as he gives a couple of more chaws to the bulge of tobaccy in his cheek.
“I hate to break it to you son, but yew caint marry your relatives! It says so right there in the King James Bible that Moses took with him to Egypt! “Yew’s an abomination in’f yuws a marry yor mother, or sister, or mothers sister, or sisters mother, or brothers mother, or mothers brother, or fathers sister. . .†well, yew get the picture. It aint right with the Lawd!†The preacher is getting his grove on as he starts to read the riot act, and the farmer is starting to look like a hound dog what’s been told he caint chase the neighbors cat no more.
“And another thang, son, yew caint marry more ‘n one woman! That’s ‘nother a Gawd’s laws a’writ in the Good Book!â€
The farmer starts to get his hopes up and interrupts the hell & brimstone sermon he started, “But, ‘Rev! I aint a-lookin ta marry myself off’n more than one woman! I aint no heathun Demon-cat, I’sa durned true blue Republy-kan!! I ment’a tell ya, my mammy IS ma sister ona count o’ we gots the same daddy!â€
February 1st, 2006 at 4:57 pm#24. I don’t think you are in a position to be correcting our English. And #13 was obviously being sarcastic.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:58 pm#24) Hey Anon ..I dont remember seeing you before but that was total sarcasm. I often post here beating the repubs over the head with Jesus anytime they get on here and post their racist crap.
February 1st, 2006 at 4:58 pmBack on-topic, I think it’s funny when the ultra-radical right wing start to eat their own.
Grover Norquist has the stated goal of “drowning Government in the bath tub”. (I’m sure he envisions a Democrat government, rather than a Repyblican one.)
I think his argument begins to fall apart when it means we have to dismantle the military which is supported by our taxes.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:02 pm#22 – I agree. That sort of thing is ugly. I live in northern Idaho and recently I heard a guy yelling “72 virgins” at a bunch of kids across a parking lot. I called him out on it (don’t know what I was thinking, he was huge), and he said it was just a joke. Sick.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:06 pm#30 – Norquist wants to drown a really, really big government in the bath tub.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:08 pmdo not trust grover. he is a human-animal hybrid.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:13 pmQ: How does this work into Karl Rove’s 2006 strategy?
A: The same way that King George got the Congress to let him invade Iraq: A put-up-or-shut up, up-and-down vote on expanding the King’s power to do anything he wants, and the Congress (including Dems) will rubber-stamp whatever the King asks for–again. Democracy in action.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:14 pmnorqist is nothing but a pimp.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:17 pmGrover is the kind of wacko people used to laugh at in Texas. When the GOP took over Texas, they kept the same wacko leadership that had been lurking in the background during the Dem years. Suddenly, Dubya thrust these idiots on the nation, and now we have laughable people making us cry with their extremist ideas.
Isn’t it time we took back the P that resident Bush stole?
http://www.geocities.com/themissingPproject
February 1st, 2006 at 5:17 pm#35 – No, Norquist is nothing but a whore. Pimps don’t do the deed, and Norquist will sell himself out for the highest bidder.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:21 pmSo what did bush do to piss off his old buddy Grover?
February 1st, 2006 at 5:39 pmThat’s what criminals do, break the law. Bush is no different. That is the reality.
He’s fired.
February 1st, 2006 at 5:54 pmAnswer: it doesn’t. Grover Norquist is a strong proponent of lower taxes and protecting the unborn. However, he is not a constitutional scholar, and on national security matters he is basically an outlier. He has never been part of the Bush foreign policy inner circle, and his opinions on the NSA program certainly won’t determine any of Karl Rove’s tactical choices this year.
Judd is a master cherry picker. If he can cite a conservative with an anti-Bush opinion – no matter how ignorant or unqualified – Judd will cite it. This is similar to skewing polls to produce a desired result, then pretending the result is reality.
In other words, Grover Norquist’s opinion on the NSA program is worthless.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:12 pm“Contrary to popular belief, there is no absolute ban on [military] intelligence components collecting U.S. person information,†the U.S.Army’s top intelligence officer said in a 2001 memo that surfaced Tuesday.
Not only that, military intelligence agencies are permitted to “receive†domestic intelligence information, even though they cannot legally “collect†it,†according to the Nov. 5, 2001, memo issued by Lt. Gen. Robert W. Noonan Jr., the deputy chief of staff for intelligence.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:13 pm“There’s a better way.”
“Switch.”
And it don’t have nothing to do with grass, either.
Uphill is fun. Downhill is fun, too-’lessyoustopquick.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:13 pmYou know they must be feeling the coming from some furnace or other when they start at each other with pitch forks.
Grover is slime. But it’s fun to watch the brawl.
DeLay is a pest in need of pesticide. He’s just dirty.
Reed is a christian in sheeps clothing. He’s kinkier than all get out.
Cheney is evil incarnate. He should be sent to Abu Ghraib or Gitmo for a taste of what he has wraught.
Bush is a spoiled aristocrat. He should be jailed for everything he has failed to do in these 6 years after stealing office.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:22 pm40,
Perfect, if one of your own disagrees with you, turn on him in a second.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:34 pmEven Ann Coulter likes (maybe used to now) Grover.
February 1st, 2006 at 6:35 pmGrover used to tax my patience but not this time.
Tax! Hah! I kill myself.
I’ll go now.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:00 pmJudd is a master cherry picker. If he can cite a conservative with an anti-Bush opinion – no matter how ignorant or unqualified – Judd will cite it.
Comment by Blue State Red — February 1, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
You are missing the point, as usual.
Without getting into the argument of whether or not Norquist’s opinion is legally sound, fact is that opposition to the secret wiretapping is not just from Democrats or liberals, as McClellan would have us believe.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:07 pm“Answer: it doesn’t. Grover Norquist is a strong proponent of lower taxes and protecting the unborn. However, he is not a constitutional scholar, and on national security matters he is basically an outlier. He has never been part of the Bush foreign policy inner circle, and his opinions on the NSA program certainly won’t determine any of Karl Rove’s tactical choices this year. Blue State Red “
Sweetie, neither is Bush a constitutional scholar – or even a scholar for that matter – yet he makes all sorts of baseless partisan claims. That’s what republicans like you, Bush and Norquist always do. Usually you’re wrong, but rarely even a partisan like Norquist gets one right – and good for him for making today that day.
And I forgive you for attacking the credentials of others without establishing your own. It’s true that Norquist studied business and not law – but I’m guessing the same could be said about you pumpkin. It’s clearly your own personal and professional insecurity tied to your partisan brain that makes you attack people with so little real ammunition. You might get a refill before you try again – this wasn’t one of your better efforts pumpkin.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:09 pmConyers committee released a statement today claiming to have evidence that Bolton had a tap on Norquist and Abrahamoff. This was all with Nixon’s approval.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:41 pmWhat is all this nonsense about who thinks who broke the law? The Bush case should go before a grand jury and, if he is indicted, he should be prosecuted and judged by a jury of his peers. If he has any, that is.
February 1st, 2006 at 7:56 pmCan monkeys be made to act as a jury?
February 1st, 2006 at 8:01 pm13. That might terrify you, but Jesus was an arab, and i doubt very much that he had white skin living in the desert.
Jesus was an Arab? I don’t think so.
February 1st, 2006 at 8:03 pmThat was a hoot, though!
Jesus was an Ay-rab!
Arabs
February 1st, 2006 at 8:06 pm“Answer: it doesn’t. Grover Norquist is a strong proponent of lower taxes and protecting the unborn.
Haha!
Moron. Grover is a strong proponent of taxing the poor instead of the rich and killing off government so business can run the country, or actually, become the government. The marriage of business and government: fascism. Grover, if he has a position on abortion, is only against it because every child will grow up to be overworked, underpaid and over-taxed while Grover’s rich Republican corporate friends bleed the life out of this country and the rest of the world. And, dude, you won’t be hanging out with them.
February 1st, 2006 at 8:14 pmit is a truth that these hideous morons on the extreme Right read these blogs here at TP knowing we are but a small minority. Somehow I think Paul Begala who is a founder here has to alert all dems and all opponents of the far right that now is the time to take out our sharpest swords and start slashing and burning as good as the Repubs do everyone else.
February 1st, 2006 at 8:29 pmJesus was not an arab but he was a semite
February 1st, 2006 at 8:33 pmJesus probably looked alot more like a modern day palestinian than any eurocentric painting.
February 1st, 2006 at 8:36 pmGrover Norquist is worthless.
I fixed that for you.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:17 pmJesus was not an arab but he was a semite
Comment by Clif — February 1, 2006 @ 8:33 pm
Not only was he a Jew, he was a Rabbi Clif.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:20 pmWorfeus I never thought about what did Jesus actually look like, I spent 9 years in college studying painting and art history so i saw a whole heck of a lot of messiah paintings, but watching a National Geographic program about what would Jesus really have looked like, I was intrigued. Now I get a kick that the painting image that the radical right prays to really looks a lot more like the people in the Gaza strip that the right despise. Plus if he came back looking exactly as he did back then alot of people would not “see” him.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:58 pm#Remove you miss what I’m saying. It matters not the least whether you,me and everybody else here “knows†GWB has broken the law. Without a process of formal investigation,including the hearings which are to start on Monday,it’s just so much talk.
Comment by TJM — February 1, 2006 @ 3:55 pm
And Talk and action forced Bush to create a 911 commission, though it was still Incomplete it opened the door.
February 1st, 2006 at 10:05 pmNorquist probably found out that the NSA has wiretapped his phones too > lol. Thugs like Bush wiretap their so-called friends first, to see how loyal they really are in private, so Grover is pissed!
February 1st, 2006 at 10:32 pmBy GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, February 1, 2006
(02-01) 19:10 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) –
New Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito split with the court’s conservative Wednesday night, refusing to let Missouri execute a death-row inmate contesting lethal injection.
Alito, handling his first case, sided with inmate Michael Taylor, who had won a stay from an appeals court earlier in the evening. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas supported lifting the stay, but Alito joined the remaining five members in turning down Missouri’s last-minute request to allow a midnight execution.
Earlier in the day, Alito was sworn in for a second time in a White House ceremony, where he was lauded by President Bush as a man of “steady demeanor, careful judgment and complete integrity.”
First Norquist Now Alito…I bet Anne Coulter is Frothing at the mouth..
February 1st, 2006 at 11:20 pmI think that Ann Coulters natural to state is to froth at the mouth.
On topic, we will see what happens with Norquist. I don’t agree with the type of world he wishes to create, but he is big on following the law. I think also that there is a lot of anger from the radical right towards Bush and republicans. After all they have not delivered what was promised. Outlawing abortion etc. We may be jumping the gun on this and I hope not, but it would be nice to see Bush, Cheney, and co indicted.
February 1st, 2006 at 11:28 pmOMG, if Alito turns out to be the next Earl Warren I will be the first to unload my gun.
Hey purvis ames,
Now where are you going to find 12 election stealing, traitorous, morons, who have sucked off of daddy’s teet for all their lifves and have nothing but animosity to show for it?
Oh yeah, in the rest of the Bush family.
I still want to see the holy three swinging from gallows strung up in the Whitehouse Portico. I want to spit on their Mussolini-like lifeless corpses dangling from a rope.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 amThe fascist pricks.
Must be nice to be so important to the Fuhrer you can tell him he’s full of it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:45 amPlease tell me #6 is a joke too that this isn’t the prevailing attitude at TP…I think it is but it wasn’t clarified for sho or was he some troll?
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:29 am“Please tell me #6 is a joke too that this isn’t the prevailing attitude at TP…I think it is but it wasn’t clarified for sho or was he some troll?”
Comment by the Blackside — February 2, 2006 @ 3:29 am
Please tell me how you’ve determined this is “the pervailing attitude here at TP” from one comment?
Surely you can point to others of similarly outrageous content? Otherwise, it was a qoute, for ironic sarcasm. Get it?
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:13 amI haven’t determined anything yet…I said I think it’s a joke but im not sure…The joke about jesus and the arab was clarified when someone made a statement…I asked a question? But by the tone of your comment sound like you got a lil bit of an attitude…
“Calm down youre scaring the children!”
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:28 amI am not here to argue with people I feel have a common bond so if I came off wrong I apologize…Understand where Im coming from…Imma a politically conscience black man so I don’t trust either Party to be perfectly honest…We may joke that Clinton was the Black president in my circles…but he was pressured into not passing legislation beneficial to black people also…Once bitten, twice shy…
Peace and Love
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:02 amApparently ADD is afflicting more Americans than is recorded.
Comments to a Norquist entry have ranged from Gus’s family is filled with racists to Jesus’s ethnic identity.
Forgive me for sticking with the original story but Norquist is not the most powerful Republican organizer. He toiled in the land of boring tax reform for years. It wasn’t until the money started flowing that he was considered “prominent.” A couple of tax cuts later and he can now bill himself as Lord of the Dance.
It’s all strategory.
Don’t be too gleeful for an intra-conservative meltdown. Conservatives have always enjoyed the free-wheeling debate and proudly allow public and private dissension.
It’s one of our strengths that we don’t require lockstep adherence to some theme even when that theme is a non-winner. Lefties would do well to rethink their strategories in that light.
Power to the people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:56 amThis is very interesting. Grover must be in some kind of trouble to openly attack Bush and the admin this way.
Comment by G. Gordon Giddy #2
Gordy,
Must be some kind of right wing virus then…
…cause even Bob “Bushba*lickin” Novak has it too…
…seems his critique of Bush’s SOTU talking points weren’t too flattering…
Rats are jumping ship?
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:51 amI still want to see the holy three swinging from gallows strung up in the Whitehouse Portico. I want to spit on their Mussolini-like lifeless corpses dangling from a rope.
The fascist pricks.
Comment by Zleeper #65
Da*n Zleeper,
You’re really harsh and barbaric!
…but I love your imagery…
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:54 amblackside – gus is a regular who posts well. He was forwarding an e-mail he had recieved that had apparently been passed around some christian circles as a joke. His intent (my impression from his post) seemed to be to show what those who are supposubly representing the lord can be horses asses too.
February 2nd, 2006 at 10:10 am#71 Damn! You are SOOOOO funny! It hurt when the coffee blew out of my nose, and my eyes are still watering from the coughing/laughing fit, but I do love a good joke! Thanks!!
February 2nd, 2006 at 10:50 amA New Yorker Mag’s recent Grover expose’makes him out to be the long time and official sentry of up and comers in the repub party. If you want to run for fed office you have to sign a contract not to raise taxes, period.
I hope Abramoff takes him down. dtdm
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 amextraordinarily rendered to Syria for some torture.Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 1, 2006 @ 3:18
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmSyria cooperates with us on torure, was that the price to keep US from invading?
wouldn’t a better question be that with all the domestic spying, and the taping of possibly thousands of private citizen’s phone lines, just how many terrorists has the government caught and successfully prosecuted with that information?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI mean, if I was a liberal concerned with individual rights I’d ask that.
Comment by Joe Sixpack — February 1, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
This HAS been asked two or three weeks ago, How many arrests have resulted from thousands of wiretaps and countless hours of datamining? Not one. Does that mean that they are “dealing with” terrorist plots “extralegaly?” as in no booking, no trial, snuff ‘em first try ‘em later? Or does it mean that they were engaged in something more important than the whereabouts of their outside contractor and his hires, that is political and business rivals.
Norquist is also a principal liaison betweeb Bush and domestic Muslim groups. If I’m not mistaken, he’s married to a Muslim, and does substantial fundraising with these groups.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:47 pmNo doubt, many of his associates are concerned that they may be the subject of surveillance.
Comment by RunningDogLackey — February 1, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
This is news to me and reveals a very odd point. Norquist, Abramoff and Reed, Young Republicans, roommates. Reed is born again and goes on to lead the incursion of Christian Fundimentalists into politics, Abramoff is Orthodox Jewish and uses his kosher restuarants and his Ultra-conservative Jewish contacts to work his schtick and now you say Norquist is Muslim/Arab friendly. What a diverse and tolerant household that must have been! Do you think any of them actually believs the tenets of the faiths they profess?
It might not just be Norquist’s clients that have been monitored, they may be trying to get a leash on him, too. Since any of the “legitamate” uses of domestic phone surveillence would have been approved, even retroactively, those boys were scouting territory where they don’ belong, come on!
Sorry #71, I have ADD too. Jews claim their descent from Abraham and Abraham was originally from Ur (modern day Iraq)making Jesus an arab. Abraham changed his religion not his race when he left the gods of his father Terah and left Ur to settle in Cannanite territory. Judaism is a religion not a race.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:27 pmNorquist: Bush broke the law…
If a partisan tool like Grover Norquist thinks it, there’s got to be some traction to the story. From Think Progress:Referring to what some see as a conflict between fighting vicious terrorists and upholding all civil liberties, Norquist said: “It’s…
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmComment by Jeff Barea — February 2, 2006
Conservatives have always enjoyed the free-wheeling debate and proudly allow public and private dissension.
Megadittos, Rush!
SR
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pm#71 : Comment by Jeff Barea
Conservatives have always enjoyed the free-wheeling debate and proudly allow public and private dissension.
Good thing it wasn’t Ari Fleischer who said:
“This is not the time to say something like that. it never is.”
or else this might not be true…oh wait.
It’s one of our strengths that we don’t require lockstep adherence to some theme even when that theme is a non-winner.
Yeah, it’s not as if “lockstep adherence to some theme even when that theme is a non-winner” is actually the literal definition of conservatism or anything…oh wait:
liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others;
3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
[antonym: conservative]
{American Heritage Dictionary ;WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University }
SR
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pm#71:
Conservatives have always enjoyed the free-wheeling debate
Read: Any debate which causes the wheels to come off.
SR
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm#71:
Power to the people.
Would that be “the mythical little guy[s]“?
SR
[Begin Kirk Mode]
“Corrrrn-yn!”
[End Kirk Mode]
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmRE: 75
Coffee is bad for you. Plus the subjugation of the Asian peoples vis-a-vis flavored coffees and the destruction of the South American environment should give you cause for concern. As a good liberal I bet you grow your own.
RE: 76
Oh, hell no! New Yorker Mag is now the authoritative source of political power? Well, an old friend that was part of a right-wing church did do many of their cartoons until he became famous at Marvel. Nevertheless, as I posted, “until the money started flowing.” He’s an affable guy, don’t get me wrong. Never confuse the back office movers of politics with the front office faces. It’s the difference between Ralph Reed and his old boss Pat Robertson. Who really controlled things?
RE: 79 Could this be his reasons?
RE: 80 The silliness of the issue is that every word, label, description, etc. was created by ancient people for ancient reasons. When I filled out my “race” description in elementary school I had three choices – Caucasoid, Mongloid, and Negroid. Families named Miller most likely had a Mill worker at the head of it originally. So Arab might just be a description of a location (Arabia) rather than a racial distinction. In fact Arab is more likely a nationality (like American). So while Abraham was an Urian this does not mean it is his race. Silliness.
RE 81: You can’t have it both ways. If Norquist, Abramoff, and Reed were greedy self-centered hucksters then Norquist isn’t partisan so much as an opportunist. If he’s honestly partisan, then his actions, while ethically debatable, were noble. You choose. Either one still lets you have your rabid hatred of the mortal man George Bush, so you’re safe.
RE 82: Not fat, rich nor ever been addicted to painkillers. In fact I’m cute and pass every drug test (given enough time). Thanks anyway.
RE 83: Ari Fleischer and American Heritage Dictionary huh? Didn’t think I would have to point out the difference between a mouthpiece and an unaffiliated siren. Remember that label distinction I made about race earlier? Goes to the dictionary discussion too. Unless you want me to point out that the liberal definition could be used to justify Hitler and Stalin. Oh, it did.
RE 84: Yeah. Presidency, Congress, and Supreme Court. Wheels on the bus go round and round. Round and round.
RE: 85 Would have been “Power to the mythical little guys.” As is, the phrase mainly just means more than one person. Gotta check with the American Heritage Dictionary to see if that would include pschizo’s.
Round and round. Round and round.
February 4th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMethinks someone stole the bus, Jeff.
Confused Us say: Bus that comes around goes around.
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