Yesterday, Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman admitted that when President Bush said that he had a plan to cut America’s dependence on Middle East oil by 75 percent, he didn’t really mean it:
One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America’s dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn’t mean it literally.
Here are some other statements by Bush that are not to be taken literally –
Bush, 4/20/04:
Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.
Bush, 6/10/04:
Q Given — given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney’s discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent’s name?
THE PRESIDENT: That’s up to —
Q And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Bush, 9/15/05:
And tonight I also offer this pledge of the American people: Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives.
President Bush, 1/11/06:
[W]hen an American President says something, he better mean it….in order to be able to have credibility in this world, when we speak, we better mean what we say.
You’re on notice: don’t take Bush at his word. He may just be using words as a metaphor to represent something completely different.
Oh, WHATEVER. Chimp-man speak with forked tongue. People who don’t know that aren’t capable of independent thought.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:00 amTo point out that every word out of Bush’s mouth is a lie including “and” and “the” is kind of old news, don’t you think?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 am[…] UPDATE: Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally. […]
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 amWhy is he still allowed to show up for work? Any of us would have been fired quite some time ago.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 amI suppose Peeping George has changed it from Opposite Day to Opposite Decade.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:11 amEverything Bush spews is LIES or BALONEY, so who cares what the man rants about anything! He must resign or be impeached!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:17 amOnce George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:17 amCHIMPEACH!!!!!
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http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:20 amyou’re not living in reality Antagonist. You are the one addicted to “no thought” and “no reason” Take a look around our country, unless you don’t care. Maybe your little “perch” is safe now. Wait till your civil liberties are affected….then you’ll be needing your 12 step program. And by the way, get off your “hate lefties” binge so you can start to see straight.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:20 amLol Antagonist you Clinton haters need a 12 step program to recover from hatred! Bill has been out of office for 5 years, but you still blame him for everything your fool Bush does!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:21 amUnbelievable:
It is indeed unbelievable that this man continues to occupy the WH. His lies and distortions are legendary. At this point it’s hard for me to believe anything other than this:
True conservatives that have backed this man from the beginning are ashamed at this point to admit being duped. Think about the enormity of his lies. People have dies because of them. That’s a hard pill to swallow. Would it be easy for you to admit that you had been aiding and abetting, hell cheerleading this man while he has been committing treasonous acts?
Let’s not forget also that many Bush supporters have their religious faith all wrapped up in this man as well. It’s gotta be hard to admit that he is the devil in disguise. Neocon talking points are passed out in churches. How many people are brave enough to stand up in church and refute the propaganda? Rove’s strategy of incorporating the neocon message into everyday people’s religion was heinous, yet brilliant. Faith is the one thing that people are hesitant to question. I am convinced that it is the reason for a majority of Bush supporters hanging on for dear life to their belief in this administration. It’s the main reason that when faced with facts, they become emotional and irrational.
There is hope though. As stubborn as faith allows some to be, when shattered that same faith will cause them to revolt. There are months to go before the midterm elections. More revelations are sure to come to light. Hopefully, with the truth being shoved down their throats more and more everyday the “believers” will be forced to reevaluate their support for this administration.
Now if we could only deal with the pesky issue of paperless e-voting using rigged machines……….
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am#4 What do you mean “show up for work”? Everytime I turn around he’s on vacation in Texas or somewhere.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am‘truthiness’….lieing with good intent (for himself)
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am06 the start,08 OUT.
Once George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:17 am
Your side ‘hates’, it’s why you think we do. But hippies, vegetarians, pacificts, volunteers, and tree huggers don’t hate. We share concern and alarm over this administration’s actions. And we come here to try discuss it.
Hate gets you nowhere, but honest discussion gets you solutions. Try it some time. Doesn’t require prescriptions for Prozac, Lunesta and Viagra. And you’ll sleep like a baby at night (I know, I’m a reformed conservative).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:24 amTwo thoughts on this…
1. What would the wingnut response have been have Clinton said “don’t take it literally when I said I did not have sexual relations etc etc?”
2. I definitely did not take him literally when he claimed his mandate.
But mostly, I think TP are too harsh. After all, Chimp doesn’t lie. He just gets bad intelligence. In fact, he appears addicted to it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 ambut he meant that stuff about animal-human hybrid literally, right?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 amI don’t hate Bush. I am disgusted with a man who postures as “Leader of the Free World” continues to lie and use any means necessary to gain his own political ends.
Sometimes it is as if we are living in the Mirror Universe. Everything he says is exactally the oppposite of what he does. Everything except cut taxes to the rich that is.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:30 am#10: You win! :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 am#7 has nothing to do with Bush per se… anyone that is..
1) An idiot that talks down to people as if he knows better than they do.
2) Relies on faith instead of sound science
3) Lets right wing nut jobs, oil execs, military equipment companies, Saudis, and just about every other asshole in the world guide his decisions
4) Lets his followers swift boat anyone that tells the truth in opposition to his lies
5) Defends Americas enemies from America even if they attack us 911 style
is pretty much open for hate from people that believe in the America that Ben Franklin, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson built for us.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 amStr8UpNoChaser
I was having a debate with Giacomo, and essentially, accused him of the same thing. Of clinging to an exposed belief simply because admitting that it is wrong makes his thing his whole existence prior ‘wrong’. And that people who are ‘wrong’ are ‘bad’. And ‘bad’ people wind up in Hell. Hell is a pretty threatening consequence to keep so many people clinging to obsolete ideology and refusing to ever say “I’m sorry.”
Best year of my life was when I gave up religion, the Republican party and a life living in the shadows of fear.
But still, I would have hoped that a rally of Democrats could have gotten the ball rolling, so that come November, impeachment is just the next step and not the tenth or twentieth…
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:32 am#4 What do you mean “show up for work� Everytime I turn around he’s on vacation in Texas or somewhere.
Comment by Clif — February 2, 2006 @ 11:22 am
How sadly true!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:33 amWhat’s the word I’m thinking of when I read one of the President’s cabinet members say that he didn’t mean something he said in the State of the Union “literally”?
Hmmm…ah! The word is “Clintonian”. ‘42 haggled over the definition of “is” and in his latest stunt ‘43 isn’t to be taken literally.
Some of us never took him literally…as Governor or as President.
So much for bringing integrity back to the White House. Of course that hasn’t happened because Bush probably can’t spell it properly to look it up in a dictionary.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:34 amI don’t hate Bush. I am disgusted with a man who postures as “Leader of the Free World†continues to lie and use any means necessary to gain his own political ends.
Sometimes it is as if we are living in the Mirror Universe. Everything he says is exactally the oppposite of what he does. Everything except cut taxes to the rich that is.
Comment by Hardy Haberman — February 2, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Well said. Same here. I think he just has never had to use his brain, and so he does not know how to start. I do think he means well. He’s just incompetent and that is an incredibly dangerous thing in the hands of someone who relies on the ‘intelligence’ of corruption, war-mongering and the Evangelicals.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:36 am#7.
We will bash Bush for years after he is out of office. We will take a page from the Clinton Bashing winger of the wingers. For the next 20 years, any fuck up, any problem, any hassle, or attack on America and we will promptly leap into action and blame BUSH!
-GSD
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 amThanks post 19 The Witch > Bushites as I call them blame Clinton for everything, but their lover Bush is blameless! They all act like dry drunks as Dubya > lol.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 am#15
You said:
Your side ‘hates’, it’s why you think we do. But hippies, vegetarians, pacificts, volunteers, and tree huggers don’t hate. We share concern and alarm over this administration’s actions. And we come here to try discuss it.
All I have to say is:
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:38 amAre you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
#24–Bush has never ever EVER been held accountable for any of his actions–going AWOL, all the failed businesses, screwing up Texas as governor, 9/11, starting a war based on lies…the guy has never been made to accept any actual responsibility for ANYTHING. He has no idea of what it means to “suffer consequences” for his actions. The rest of us have had to actually work to get where we are; Bush was born into wealth and all his screw ups were smoothed over and buried by Poppy or any number of Poppy’s friends.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:40 am#24
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:40 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
#27 Antagonist:
God, I hate you.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:41 amAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
That’s just repeating what you initially said that caused me to tell you that because you know hate personally, you assume it of others. You see it posted here because that is all you are capable of seeing. I do not see hate, because I, as a liberal, understand the liberal mindset is to see solutions. So, essentially, you are getting what you seek. Seek something more that hate, and you’ll be amazed at how wrong you were assuming us to be just like you (since clearly that would be obvious).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:43 am#20 Gerald Gibson,
Which is it with you? You preach one day and extol the virtues of science over religion the next. Flip-flop,flip flop… Are you John Kerry?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:43 am#27
Some hate yes. Mostly people posting logical truths that describe what is actually happening.
Being against murder or the desecration of the Constitution is not hate. It is reason.
Learn the difference.
Do you chear when you see a show about a child molestor that gets away with his crimes? No? Well what do you do? Get pissed and say, “How can a piece of shit like that child molestor get away with that crap?”
Same thing here. Bush and his neo cons are not republicans, They are fascists and it is rediculous to even consider cheering their crimes. In fact those crimes should compel everyone to say, “How can a piece of shit like that neocon Administration get away with that crap?”
Learn the difference. The American revolutionists were not “haters” they simply were calling a wrong a wrong and a violation against their privacy a violation against their privacy. Was George Washington a hater when he said that the red coats were criminals for forcing their way into peoples homes looking for contraband?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:44 amAntagonist, don’t you just hate the hate? That is what it is all about. Bush hates the truth. Bush hates liberals. Bush hates gays. Bush hates abortion. Bush hates scientists. Bush hates the environment. Bush hates education. Bush hates people that aren’t rich enough to pay for thier own health care. Bush hates dissent.
I’m sick and tired of the Bush hatisms and he has to go.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:44 amOK, I’ll admit it: I HATE what Bush and that gang of neocon thugs have done to this country and much of the rest of the world (a country that I and many of my family members have fought for and defended). I HATE their bullying tactics & almost constant smear jobs and character assassination (think Murtha, Max Cleland, Cindy Sheehan and even one of “their own”, John McCain, back during the 2000 primaries). I HATE their lack of responsibility. I HATE their greed. I HATE their willingness to send other peoples’ kids off to fight an illegal war…
So yeah, I guess maybe I do HATE, even though Jesus taught that we should rise above it…
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:45 am#24–Bush has never ever EVER been held accountable for any of his actions–going AWOL, all the failed businesses, screwing up Texas as governor, 9/11, starting a war based on lies…the guy has never been made to accept any actual responsibility for ANYTHING. He has no idea of what it means to “suffer consequences†for his actions. The rest of us have had to actually work to get where we are; Bush was born into wealth and all his screw ups were smoothed over and buried by Poppy or any number of Poppy’s friends.
Comment by Preznit_Douchebag — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
Exactly. In fact, it’s not possible for me to agree more with you :). Ignorance might be bliss to those who are ignorant, but not to the rest of us in their path.
I was telling someone the other day that the age for being President should eb raised, and that serving in a war might need to be as well (I’m on the fence about that one).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 amAntagonist
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man. Your plastic jesus is not real. Jesus and science are not opposites. Right wing nuts and Jesus are opposites. Jesus died on the cross for TRUTH. Scientists have died for TRUTH. America took away right wing nut jobs legal justification for witch hunting scientists and theirfore TRUTH by writing into law the seperation of church and state.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
We don’t have kool-aid. We’re the group who refuses to drink it. It’s what makes us the other side.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 am#31
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 amAre you daft?
Words have meaning–How about I say the most rude things to you, then if you’re offended I’ll say you only assumed it was offensive. It was because of your own hatred you interpreted my words that way.
Bush is despicable. That’s a fact. But so was Lyndon Johnson (for you oldtimers out there) and Richard Nixon. You could never believe them. It’s really a function, in my mind, of how out of whack our system is, where the president, any president, is treated like a king–”leader of the free world”–and the rubber-stamp congress, which is supposed to be paramount according to the Constitution, just goes along for the ride. Okay, libs, attack away.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 am#37
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:50 amIn your collective celebration of open-mindedness, You forgot to consider any facts.
[…] In addition to the reversal of his pledge to reduce dependence on Middle-East oil by 75% by 2025, we should be attuned to: Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally […]
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:51 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Look up “Jim Jones” in your favorite search engine. That is the koolaid…and they were right wing nut jobs …not democrats.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:53 amBush is a Veritable Gold Mine of Toe Shootings
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 amI dislike what Bush does as president! Hate is a Bush lover affliction > they hate liberals, Gays {even though many of them are closet queens}, Blacks, Latinos, and especially Arabs! They want to wipe-out the entire Middle East, because they hate all Muslims!
It is horrible that Bush himself incites hatred for others!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 am#36
You said,
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 amOnce George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on. Comment by Antagonist
Antagonist just doesn’t get it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but people who post on this site just don’t like Bush and his lame-brained policies. I mean, not me of course. But if I was one of the “lefties” Antagonist was mentioning I wouldn’t like the dumb-assed, egotistal, want-a-be cowboy, dipshit either.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 amMy guess is you just don’t understand the English language. Of course some quotes taken out of context might seem disingenuous. Or some quotes that use big words might confuse you into thinking it means something other than what was intended. I’m sure it’s just all a misunderstanding…after all 53% of you losers couldn’t graduate high school. Even dumbed down high school. That’s what Kerry said. Was he LYING?
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004429.htm
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 amHey Antagonist, why not go spout your platitudes elsewhere; we’re not interested in them…pithy little sayings like, “In your collective celebration of open-mindedness, You forgot to consider any facts.” and “You’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid” make for pretty hollow soundbites. Even Rush would be ashamed to utter them.
And Don # 39–I agree with you. I’m a former republican who dropped out when the neocon/right wing fundies chased the true conservatives out. I registered as a democrat for a few years until I realized what enablers they are in general–”we’re just like the republicans, only less so”.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:58 am#42
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:58 amI know the Koolaid was in reference to Jim Jones… I was drawing a parallel between hsi blind followers and how you believe whatever the Democrat party says without question.
I-R-I > Karl Rove needs you to post on the older threads > lol.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAmerica took away right wing nut jobs legal justification for witch hunting scientists and theirfore TRUTH by writing into law the seperation of church and state.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
You’re an idiot.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
I post here alot, show me where I said Hate.
Show Me where it says “LEFT” only at this web site.
Are you Left?
Define Left, Better yet Define your Version of ‘Liberal’ or Left, and I dont mean Just the Low Brow Limbaugh Version, I alos mean the High Brow version of left or ‘Liberal’
IN Your VIEW, not pundits.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amSaper Aude
Are you daft?
Words have meaning–How about I say the most rude things to you, then if you’re offended I’ll say you only assumed it was offensive. It was because of your own hatred you interpreted my words that way.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Nope, but clearly you are.
Then I would agree. Your words only have meaning if I allow them to. If I don’t care, then words do not matter. It’s a personal choice to allow them to matter or not matter.
And I’ve learned that not taking other people personally keeps you from being consumed by hate. You should try it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAntagonist
I went to church two times a week for years and I read the bible on my own without a preacher doing it for me.
Jesus didnt write the bible. It was written long after he died. All the supernatural mombo jumbo was put in there by people with an agenda. Not that it was a bad agenda. ALWAYS after a great leader dies people pumpup the myths with all kinds of fantastical “blue oxen” tall tales to try to convey how “big” the person really was. In the case of Jesus it was totally unneccessary. His words were clear. We (including Jesus) are all MEN. And how we treat each other is more important than any other thing. Period.
You are the one that doesnt know the first thing about Jesus. He spoke in parables. Which are stories that use imagery to convey a message. Those things are NOT to be taken literaly. That same teaching technique has been used for thousands of years by people all over the world and only religious ding bats totally miss the message and take the story literaly.
Look up what a koan is. Same thing as a Jesus parable.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:00 pm#48
Hey douchebag, why don’t you kiss my a$$! I’ll post anywhere I like. Besides if I wasn’t here this thread would be pretty slow.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmAnd Don # 39–I agree with you. I’m a former republican who dropped out when the neocon/right wing fundies chased the true conservatives out. I registered as a democrat for a few years until I realized what enablers they are in general–â€we’re just like the republicans, only less soâ€.
Comment by Preznit_Douchebag
I doubt very much that you could define a conservative.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pm#51 …
Prove it.
Your assertions mean nothing.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
By your INFERRING someone is Blind,you are attempting to project your Perception of someone ’stumbly blindly around.’
Your Getting Better, but the ‘hidden jabs’ still exist in your ‘unbiased’ exercise.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pmYou have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God. Comment by Antagonist
Wrong again, knucklehead.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but NO WHERE in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God. Not even the son of God. In fact, when questioned by those who jugded him, he repeatedly said he was the “Son of man.” Not god. Man.
But of course, you and the “Christian” faithful would never admit that the Bible says that. Or that Bush is one of the dumbest dips that has ever presided over a brainwashed nation.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pmAnd as an Antagonist, you have Failed =)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:03 pm#45
“#36
You said,
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God.
Comment by Antagonist”
Let’s see here…. If Jesus was God, then why did he say on the cross while looking into the sky. “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”? Would he not have said something like. “I forgive you for you know not what you do”?
You can’t take the bible literally. It was written by MAN. We all know what happens if you tell one person something in a room and have that message sent around the room and back to the originator. The message is always modified, if not completely changed to some other meaning.
Besides, the person who wrote the book claimed that Jesus said he was God. This does not mean that this is what Jesus actually said. Just look at all the books out today. Do you take what the authors of those books say in them as literal?
Now come back to reality.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:04 pm#49
I dont believe anything without question. NOTHING. When I was growing up I was totally afraid of beer, pot, LSD, etc. When I was out of highschool my friends were all experimenting with this stuff and like the nerd that I am I went to the library and found out that most of the stuff I learned in my “just say no” days was BS. Scientists did lots of studies of the effects of these drugs and published them. I read those studies and only then did I go to a party with my friends and try that stuff. That doesnt sound like a peer pressure follower to me… Next time you are in church and your preacher is saying “Jesus said a …” ask yourself, “Do I think Jesus meant that or am I just nodding my head with the crowd?” …
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmI know the Koolaid was in reference to Jim Jones… I was drawing a parallel between hsi blind followers and how you believe whatever the Democrat party says without question.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:58 am
Not every one here is a Democrat. I vote Green Party mostly, but I am an independent. So much for that theory…
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pm#54
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pmI guess Greek an Hebrew scholars don’t even know as much as you do about Jesus and the Bible. Thank God I ran into you! Now I can abandon my faith and disregard the overwhelming evidence in support of Christianity. Then I can create my own reality, boast of my open-mindedness and become a liberal! You truly have saved my…I think we gotta hug!
#55 You are right. It is people like you that help us “reasonists” sharpen our reasoning. I appreciate it when you come here and help us out like that.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:09 pmI do think he means well.
Comment by unbelievable #23
…a fatal mistake…(one inbreds still cling to)…
…one along the lines of, “Bush is an affable sorta guy, y’know the kind you’d like to invite to your backyard barbecue and have a few beers with.”
-Chris Matthews-
…$8trillion (and counting), tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of lives, nuclear hot ME and N. korea, Russia and China waiting in the wings for our overstretched military to snap, and Socialist anti-Bushite S. America…
…da*n that’s some expensive beer...
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:10 pm#62
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:10 pmThis may come as asuprise to you, but many Christians do exactly what you said. Although many blindly sit and accept the most horrendous teachings without question–still many study and do their own research. It’s a mistake to lump all people with religious beliefs together.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God. Comment by Antagonist
WOW another Broad Spectrum of nothing…??
YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING…And you do? How so can this be? By watching TV? How so can you PROVE any of this what you state?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmdisregard the overwhelming evidence in support of Christianity.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
What overwhelming support? There is none. Even you guys can agree amongst yourself and your 2000 year old religion has thousands of sects. The overwhelming support is actually for Evolution.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmHA HA, I-Right-I…I’m guessing I was a “conservative” way back before you were even born. Eisenhower was a conservative, the chimp-man some call president is anything but. Witness the explosion the size of the federal government, the stupendous increase in national debt, the war-mongering, the use of government positions to fulfill quotas for cronies and to funnel taxpayer money to favored contractors…sorry, there ain’t nothing conservative about today’s neocons.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:13 pm#24 Antagonist:
#24
You’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
You should write for Comedy Central. Satire is your thing. The democratic party isn’t the party of kool-aid drinkers, the republican party is. Democrats welcome different ideas. It’s the reason we are amused when republicans use the statements of one dolt to speak for us all. It’s the reason that most here laugh ourselves silly when Hillary is mentioned as a candidate for ‘08. Most of us don’t support her for Pres. Listen to democrats. You will hear ideas expressed in different ways. We may be talking about the same subject, but we won’t use the same language. Republicans have become parrots. They repeat the same talking points over and over again. It is possible to have a conversation with a dozen different republicans and never hear an original thought. Kool-aid drinkers each and every one. Partisan Parrot….heal thyself.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:15 pmthis is brilliant… the Bush Follies… he’s a bigger flip-flopper than Kerry could ever aspire to, and a bigger hypocrite than we’ve ever seen in office…
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm##62
This may come as asuprise to you, but many Christians do exactly what you said. Although many blindly sit and accept the most horrendous teachings without question–still many study and do their own research. It’s a mistake to lump all people with religious beliefs together.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
You Having said this Antagonist;
then are you also not then trying to ‘Group’ everyone here with your perception of the ‘Left’.
Thru Horrendous teachings, such as Limbaugh (my Opine), accomplishes the same thing you said above?
To try and Lump people?
Every Day I see the Same Attacks by these folks, Verbatim to what Rush ‘SAID’.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pmBig Papa,
Cease fire :)
I don’t think it’s fatal when followed by the balance of my post, because in seeing him as incompetent, I’m not disarmed by his naivitee’. As a result, I do not want him in office anymore than I want Cheney, who is intentionally corrupt in office. The conclusion is the same. They are both dangerous and not to be trusted.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pm#64… just go to the library. I suggest you DO NOT take my word for it nor your preachers. Go to the library or use the Internet and read …read …read… you will find out some things you never knew was real…like in the Koran they praise Jesus…did you know the Muslims talk about Jesus being a good guy? Hmmm? Did you know the Zen Buddhists often use the words of Jesus to show the truth? Did you know that many of the things Jesus said were said before him by Buddha? Did you know that people that live in Africa are NOT devil worshipers? Did you know that the jewish Talmud says that Jesus is an evil magic user that led his fellow jews away from god? Did you know there was a party of people in America during preWWII that supported Hitler? Do some studying … You are talking about Greek and Hebrew scholars only because you heard someone reference them when making their case…have you looked up what those scholars actually said?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pm…one along the lines of, “Bush is an affable sorta guy, y’know the kind you’d like to invite to your backyard barbecue and have a few beers with.â€
-Chris Matthews-
No, see, I wouldn’t want to be friends with him. Not a fair comparison. I don’t want ignorants in office or as my friends.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:18 pmIt’s probably too much to expect from the trolls, but please read this and tell everyone again why OIL is more important than human life?
Soldiers have a great bullshit meter because their lives depend on it. They know it’s about oil and greed; that’s why they have difficulty getting back to civilian life.
From — http://www.teambio.org/ 2006/ 02/ state-of-our-family-address/
“My son wouldn’t look me in the eyes when he first returned from Iraq. He always seemed nervous and jumpy. Riding in the car with him as he weaved from lane to lane avoiding any road debris. Tollbooths made him crazy […]
Fast forward to August 2005. I hadn’t heard from my son in awhile. He has been slowly pushing away everyone that loves and cares for him. We live in different states and it’s hard to track him. In August I found him. He looked like a skeleton […]
Then came the dream. Mothers are bonded to their children. We know their hurts, their pains, we feel them even when their thousands of miles away. On January 9th the dream came. In the dream there was an Iraqi, my son and me. We were attached through ropes. Suddenly my son was hoisted in the air and his body slammed against a beam […]
The next day I had an emergency phone call from my sons ex girlfriend. She told me through her tears that my son had driven his car over an embankment. She saw the car she couldn’t believe he survived. She had talked to some of his friends that told her he was crying that night and talking about the war. Whenever my son gets a few beers in him his friends tell me he talks about the war. they describe it as “Crazy talkâ€. He wants the blood of the Iraqis he killed off his hands. He then left and drove his car at high speed over an embankment.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmPartisan Parrot….heal thyself.
Comment by Str8UpNoChaser — February 2, 2006 @ 12:15 pm
mr ho like; Partisan Parrot..Heal thyself
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmAntagonist
I went to church two times a week for years and I read the bible on my own without a preacher doing it for me.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
That was a waste of time.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm#59
These are but a few instances…
During Christ’s trial, the chief priests asked Him point blank, “Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” And He said,
“I am.” (Mark 14:60-62)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 pm“Yes, it is as you say.” (Matt. 26: 63-65)
“You are right in saying I am.” (Luke 22:67-70)
Soldiers have a great bullshit meter because their lives depend on it. They know it’s about oil and greed; that’s why they have difficulty getting back to civilian life.
Comment by realist67
Nonsense.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmThat was a waste of time.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Yep, religion is a waste of time. You’re finally getting it!
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmTwilight of Conservatism
The rise of Bushism wouldn’t have surprised Robert Nisbet.
By Thomas E. Woods Jr.
“War and the military are, without question, among the very worst of the earth’s afflictions,” an American conservative of distinction once wrote, “responsible for the majority of the torments, oppressions, tyrannies, and suffocations of thought the West has for long been exposed to. In military or war society anything resembling true freedom of thought, true individual initiative in the intellectual and cultural and economic areas, is made impossible–not only cut off when they threaten to appear but, worse, extinguished more or less at root. Between military and civil values there is, and always has been, relentless opposition. Nothing has proved more destructive of kinship, religion, and local patriotisms than has war and the accompanying military mind.”
That was Robert Nisbet in 1975. In The Conservative Intellectual Movement Since 1945, George Nash identified Nisbet, along with Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver, as one of the three most noteworthy of those intellectuals he identified as traditional conservatives. Of the three, Nisbet probably remains the least known among modern conservatives–a shame, and one that we can hope Brad Lowell Stone’s very good biography of Nisbet may help to rectify.
http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_12_05/article.html
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pm“Here are some other statements by Bush that are not to be taken literally…”
Speaking as a longtime resident of NYC, I think you forgot the most blatantly egregious one of all…
September 13, 2001 — “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:26 pm#80 - You know I was once told that I am like a God, and I said I am aint I. Do you think that some day a book will be written about me and claim that I said I was God?
Cummon…… THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN, NOT GOD.
There is very little in the Bible you can take as absolute. For exampmle….
The bible talks about Adam and Eves sons leaving and going to a city to take wives. OK….. If God created Adam, and then Eve how did this other city get created? Where did their sons take wives from? How can their son’s take wives when there is only Adam and Eve?
So, the bible is a good source to show how life might be lived and show how things might have been, but they are not true and absolute.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:28 pmShe had talked to some of his friends that told her he was crying that night and talking about the war. Whenever my son gets a few beers in him his friends tell me he talks about the war. they describe it as “Crazy talkâ€. He wants the blood of the Iraqis he killed off his hands. He then left and drove his car at high speed over an embankment.â€
Comment by realist67 — February 2, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
Having Seem my uncle come back from Vietnam, and what that War did to him, and that we know know, was Fomented with False Intelligence, or the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident.
Perhaps it would never have happened.60,000 American Lives.
Today We have the Same, A war with Cherry Picked Intelligence, Blatant Misleads and Lies, and thousands of Dead Sons and Daughters of America for a Few, The Ideologists of PNAC
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmNo I-RIGHT-I
Because of that time I learned that there was a Jesus that wasnt a crazy. Then I went off on my own and looked into his message further and I learned that people like you are the evil that Jesus spoke about. Evil is in men. Men like you. Ego that is out of control. Telling you that you are better than other people. Telling you to ignore others suffering as long as it isnt YOU that is suffering. Ignoring the truth so that you can thump your chest with false bravado. I learned alot from Jesus. Most of all that people like you dont know HIM.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI wish I had the timeline, but I don’t. At some time The catholic churc, long before the move to constantinople, and the creation of the eastern orthodox church; spent a lot of time arguing over the issue of jesus’ divinity. The final vote was to deitify jesus, and to strike from the official text mention of jesus as a man, with the exception of the virgin birth.
I am sorry that is so long winded but I felt it had to be said.
As for Bush and his statements. I don’t like the guy or his policies, but it is hardly unusual for any politician to retract or say a comment was misconstrued. Bush does seem to be racking up a lot of them though.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmUm Antagonist,
All of thos quotes say that he said he was the son of god. Not a god or the God. I mean Hercules was the son of a god, Zeus, but Hercules wasn’t a god either.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmmr ho, don’t forget the equivilent of the Gulf of Tonkin, the WTC. Without the WTC, we would not be where we are today.
This is why the FBI was forced to stop looking into Bin Ladens family. Why the FBI information was ignored. Why the military directives were changed months before the attack. Well, you get the point.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:33 pmIf you actually read the first two chapters of Genesis, they not only contradict themselves, but don’t work.
Couple of quick examples:
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:33 pmYou can’t have plants created BEFORE the sun (they need sun to live).
And carnivores can’t come before killing, or how would they eat, since they need meat protein?
Christians who are honest with themselves understand that the Bible was inspired by God, but written by man. Man is fallible, and makes many mistakes. (Just look at what Pres. Bush has done to America!)
Quoting the Bible to justify faith in the Bible is like quoting Pres. Bush to justify faith in Pres. Bush: it’s a no-win scenario, and proves your inability to cogitate. ;-)
By the way, Anty, why don’t you try and refute the ramblings of our lemming-in-chief? Afraid your arguments won’t stand up to scrutiny? Or have your ultra-radical right-wing talking heads not given you your points for the day?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:35 pmAntagonist …
“I am.†(Mark 14:60-62)
STOP TAKING IT LITERALLY!!!!
Dont you rememeber … “I AM THE I AM”
Dont you remember … Jesus said, “It is I who am the light (that presides) over all. It is I who am the entirety: it is from me that the entirety has come, and to me that the entirety goes. Split a piece of wood: I am there. Lift a stone, and you (plur.) will find me there.”
Jesus is saying “I AM” is everywhere. In every man. In every piece of wood. Under every stone. In every man. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!!
Dont you get his message??? He wasnt saying, “Sure I am god! Praise me!!!”
How rediculous a notion that Jesus would stand there with such a big out of control EGO!!!! That is NOT Jesus. Jesus was making a point to those priests. We was talking in imagery to them.
“You are right in saying I AM.†(Luke 22:67-70)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:36 pm#39, Don. Nobody is arguing with you, did you notice? That’s because we are in basic agreement. You are a liberal, my friend.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:37 pmYou can’t take the fact that he thinks Osama bin Laden is important literally. He didn’t think he was important when Harriet Miers gave him the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing.
He even said that he doesn’t hink about him.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2002/ 03/ 20020313-8.html
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmAntagonist, it appears that you aren’t much of a adversary. Try looking at facts and then ask yourselft why you oppose them.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmDon’t take this statement literally, it encourages the enemy and is therefore treasonous:
“There are some who, uh, feel like that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is: Bring ‘em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation. “ - George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:42 pm#96 it appears you expect people to read your mind. What are you talking about?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pm“I don’t know where [Osama bin Laden] is. I’ll repeat what I said: I am truly not that concerned about him.”
Brady briefing room, Mar 13, 2002
“I just don’t think I ever said I’m not worried about Osama bin Laden. It’s kind of one of those exaggerations.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pm3rd Presidential Debate, October 13, 2004
#93
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 pmHow about this one?
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” [33] “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Antagonist, are you unfamiliar with the definition of antagonist? Sheesh
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 pm#88
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:47 pmIt sounds like you read The Davinci Code, and you bought into Dan Brown’s history revisionism. Don’t feel bad, many who are opposed to the diety of Christ try to revise what happened at the Nicene Councel.
There was a NPR program last night where they were talking to a person who used to work for President Eisenhower. He said that they checked the facts so carefully that if he said “the fog walked in on little cat’s feet”, he would be asked “where is the cat? can we see it”. I really respect this.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pmOh, I begin to understand… Maybe Bush wasn’t taking literally the PDB stating Al Qaida Determined to Attack USA soil? What is literal for Bush? A rock hitting his head?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:51 pm#101
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:52 pmAre you getting literal on me Bob? You know liberals aren’t supposed to believe in absolutes.
#100
That quote from the bible says that other people say that he said he claims to be god. You still haven’t shown that Jesus said that he was God.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:52 pmSo you clearly see Dan Brown’s The DaVinci Code as history revisionism but you are blind to Bush’s history revisionism. Selective believing leads to ignorance.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:53 pmCONTINUATION OF BUSH’S “NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT BIN LADEN” STATEMENT
QUESTION: Do you believe the threat that bin Laden posed won’t truly be eliminated until he is found either dead of alive?
BUSH: As I say, we hadn’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don’t know where he is.
I’ll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins.
He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it — either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things that’s part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary or training or a place to hide or a place to raise money. And we got more work to do.
NOW WE’VE GOT BIN LADEN RIGHT WHERE WE WANT HIM — IRAQ
A sudden withdrawal of our forces from Iraq would abandon our Iraqi allies to death and prison — put men like bin Laden and Zarqawi in charge of a strategic country — and show that a pledge from America means little.
SOTU Feb 1 2006
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:55 pm#100 … Exactly. The jews misunderstood him. And you are being just like those jews. The jews in the new testament are people that Jesus is trying to lead away from prejudice. They are the ones he is trying to change. They were wrong about him which is why he was trying to teach them. HE was talking about the IAM the whole time. He used I AM as a replacement for the word GOD. It is a way to make people say I AM… and you are I AM. and the romans are I AM… and the poor and the sick are I AM… NOT just the “special people” that followed the priests and their TALMUD. You need to look at the history of the times Jesus lived in. Not just the bible. Jesus was living under occupation. The prophecy of a savior was being talked about for hundreds of years before Jesus from the times when the jews had been taken as slaves by the babylonians (Iraqis) and they prayed for a savior like Moses to come save them. That savior never came. But then the romans occupied them for along time and crushed their freedoms. They then started concentrating on a savior again. Jesus was born in the middle of this. Jesus was told about the star in the sky when he was born and about all the babies that were slaughtered by the romans as they tried to quell the peoples faith in a savior to come and save them from the romans. Jesus grew up seeing the jewish priests collaborating with the romans against the poor jews who were too poor and not in the right social groups to get special treatment by the romans. Jesus grew up seeing the talmudic jews living in luxury while the rest of the people suffered.
There is alot more to Jesus than what is told in the bible.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmtwo threads for the price of one
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:56 pmEverything that the President says is BS. He has lost so much credibility. He is going down as the worst President in history. Worst that Nixon.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:57 pm#102
Was god presiding over the Nicene Councel? NOPE. Those were people siting in a room long after Jesus was dead talking about what myths they wanted to push. Holy crap think about what you just said.
Just because some people that were setting up a power system to act as a base for the roman catholic movement got together and SAID Jesus was super natural doesnt make it so. What if I SAID the world was flat…would you believe me?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:58 pm#105 - Actually, I believe in absolute more than a story. I also think that most people believe in absolute more than a story, at least the common sense and sain types.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:58 pmAntagonist, you oppose views put forward here. As an example, what Bush says can’t be taken literally. He has shown this time and again and there are plenty more examples than what is on this thread. You believe he can be taken literally. That IS being an antangonist. The truth has been shown to you that he can’t be taken literally (kind of like the bible) so when you accept the facts you will not be able to be an antagonist here.
Maybe you should choose a different tag name.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:00 pmtwo threads for the price of one
Comment by Don — February 2, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
hahaahahahaha
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:00 pmHow rediculous a notion that Jesus would stand there with such a big out of control EGO!!!! That is NOT Jesus. Jesus was making a point to those priests. We was talking in imagery to them.
“You are right in saying I AM.†(Luke 22:67-70)
Comment by Gerald Gibson
The liberal can not admit that the God of the Old Testament covered in blood and wrath could be the same gentle Jesus they so love to conjure for themselves. Yet, it is so. The Jews understood Him perfectly.
Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:04 pm#116
Thanks for backing me up there… I thought you were just a dult.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:07 pmThis sounds like fun. Here are some other things that George W. Bush has said that we shouldn’t take literally:
“God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you can help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
- President George W. Bush speaking to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas. Gene Lyons, “It Ain’t Stealing When You Admit It,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 7-9-03
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
- Governor George W. Bush on Kosovo. R.G. Ratcliffe, “Bush toughens his stance on NATO bombing,” Houston Chronicle, 4-9-99
“It means that - first of all, I’m proud to be an American, and they [war protesters] should be, too. They’ve got all the right in the world to express their opinion.”
- . Alison Bethel, “Bush Tries to Sell War Beyond D.C.,” Detroit News, 3-4-03
Many thanks to Bruce Miller and his book “Take Them at Their Words”
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:09 pmPresident Bush’ s struggles with his mother tongue are legendary. This latest incomprehensible utterance illustrates the last of the four types of Bush gaffes. The first, Accidental Truth, involves Bush inadvertently saying what he actually feels or believes. The second, What He Really Meant, are those cases where the discerning observer can find the actual intent of Bush’s words that had been sadly lost in his lack of familiarity with English. The third, Post-Modern Dyslexia, involves President Bush changing the order, conjugation or tense of words to render the mundane incomprehensible. Last, as in the case of Bush “going on with his life”, is the What the F**k? category, where the meaning of Bush’s words are hidden to man and God alike.
For the full analysis, see:
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:12 pm“On W’s Words of Wisdom”
This is my new favorite Bush Accidental Truth
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
But of course, Antagonist, IRI and the like, know that you can’t take him literally.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmWhen a person is faced with the unavoidable reality that their lifelong belief system is shattered, it often leads to a personal crisis, or “nervous breakdown”, or “rock bottom” when addicts’ belief systems can no longer be defended. Sometimes it results in homocides/suicides, going “postal”. Like when my Republican father-in-law discovered that 30 years of dedicated service to Honeywell, which took him away from his family, was all for not, he started drinking more, and carried a shotgun in his vehicle, we were worried, but he seems to have settled down now.
So go easy on those poor neo-cons, they are only trying to avoid having to be hospitalized for a nervous breakdown.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:26 pm#106
Try to follow along…In the verse proceeding the one I posted in 100, Jesus said I and my Father are one. He was clearly claiming equality with God and the Jews knew it. That’s why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy.
In John 8:58 Jesus made the astounding claim that before Abraham was I AM. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they knew exactly what He meant. I AM was a name God called himself.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pmBush: “I think…”. No. He doesn’t mean he thinks, literally.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm#120
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmI think you have it backwards. You have to repeat propaganda over and over again in order for people to believe it. Like–Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, domestic spying, domestic spying, domestic spying. Truth is simple. People usually expend an enormous amount of energy trying to avoid it–hence the Democratic party and websites like this.
When bush heard literal it probably sounded like liberal, and he said nope not me, can’t do it, I’m not one of those literal people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pm#121
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmMaybe your father in law was drinking because he had a liberal in law like you.
#122
I think I am following along quite nicely, thank you.
Since God is everywhere doesn’t that mean that we are all one with God. That doesn’t mean that he said he was GOD.
and as for this tidbit,
I AM was a name God called himself.
If you have some documents that are written by God himself you better get them over to the Vatican. I think they would be interested. All the documents I have ever seen or heard of were written by men. Oh, maybe you talk to Him personally…..got ya….um I am going to stop talking to you , o.k..?
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm#127 YOU POST ALL ABOUT JESUS BUT FAIL TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:53 pm#127 Sorry I meant#126
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:54 pm#124 Antagonist
Bob said:
This is my new favorite Bush Accidental Truth
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.â€
Your response was:
I think you have it backwards. You have to repeat propaganda over and over again in order for people to believe it. Like–Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, domestic spying, domestic spying, domestic spying. Truth is simple. People usually expend an enormous amount of energy trying to avoid it–hence the Democratic party and websites like this.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
Bob posted a direct Bush quote. Should you need a link, one can be provided for you. Rather than debate the Bush quote, you decided to change it. You must be psychic since you’re able to decipher what Bush meant versus what he actually said. What do you think of Bush admitting that he attempts to “catapult the propaganda”? It’s a tool used by the neocons. Truth doesn’t matter. What matters is what you can make the people believe. My favorite criminal, Mike Scanlon said it best:
“The whacko’s get their information through the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees. … Simply put, we want to bring out the whacko’s to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them.”
Three guesses as to who the “whackos” are. Here’s a hint; it’s not democrats. So Antagonist, how does it feel to know that your whacko ass is being manipulated on a daily basis? I plan on asking that question of at least one conservative every day until the midterm elections.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmSomething else Bush said that you can’t take literally.
White House
April 20, 2004
President Bush: Information Sharing, Patriot Act Vital to Homeland Security
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmHmmm.
That should work.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pm#129
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmphew..thanks. lol
#132 I wonder how much of our taxpayer money this administration has spent on all those stupid backdrops that the president stands in front of when he speaks? I know that all presidents have done this to some extent, but this president seems to do it a lot. And they’re always different, so it’s not like they’re making good use of our money by “recycling and reusing.” How much of our money was spent making that stupid “Mission: Accomplished” banner (which he lied about and said it wasn’t his staff that did it when, in fact, it was.)
And, sorry to have to point it out, Spudge, but your quote is the first example that Judd listed. But that doesn’t make it any less of a fine example of the topic.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:04 pm#124 - You mean like repeating lies such as “Pres. bush didn’t break the wiretapping laws!” or “Liberals control the media!”
How about the lie “Republicans are the party of personal responsibility!”
Here’s one that cracks me up: “Republicans are the party of small government and fiscal responsibility!”
Oh my sides hurt from laughing when hearing these lies over and over and over!!!! Oh my, Anty, you are such a card!
By the bye, what do you think about the Biblical verse that declares that rabbits eat their cud? LEV 11:6
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmIt’d be easier to track when Bush tells the truth. That would be newsworthy.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmThere is alot more to Jesus than what is told in the bible.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
I wouldn’t worry about that if I were you Gerald. You haven’t got what’s down in black and white yet never mind any special revelations you might think you gleaned from someplace else. Basically, everything you know is wrong.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmHey IRI - then address the following:
The bible talks about Adam and Eves sons leaving and going to a city to take wives. OK….. If God created Adam, and then Eve how did this other city get created? Where did their sons take wives from? How can their son’s take wives when there is only Adam and Eve?
So, the bible is a good source to show how life might be lived and show how things might have been, but they are not true and absolute.
Now who doesnt have “what’s down in black and white”?
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmOkay, here is the big one:
White House
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:31 pmMay 1, 2003
President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended
IRI lecturing on morals, how funny is that?
What is missied in thsi thread, from way back earlier in the whole mess, is the definition of hate. I think the thugs find anything hateful which makes the dear leader look stoopid or foolish, hence reality and the truth is hateful. So when people write about factual things that make the president look bad they are spreading hate. Or that is my take on it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pm#127
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmYou’ll never get it. Anyone with any familiarization with the Bible knows about I AM.
I’m not going to bother trying to expalain it all to you. I’ve already spent too much time explaining things that you’ve already decided not to believe.
#128
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmI don’t think you’d know Jesus’ example if it hit you right in the face.
#138 Carlos Mencia has a great comedy bit about Cain and Ables “wives” .. he says “somebody’s doing their sister”
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 pm#142 Very christ like thank you
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:43 pm#144 I think I’m in agreement with you, Clif. I don’t think Jesus’ example would be hitting anyone in the face.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 pm#130
You said:
So Antagonist, how does it feel to know that your whacko ass is being manipulated on a daily basis? I plan on asking that question of at least one conservative every day until the midterm elections.
In answer to your question–I wouldn’t know. I’m not being manipulated. If I were you I’d find a more intelligent question to ask. If you repeat that one every day, you’re going to look like a complete nut case–especially after the Dems lose the mid-term elections.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm#146 - I hate to be the one to bring the bad news to you, but…..
The Dems are going to take control of one if not both of the houses in this terms elections. The people are so tired of hearing of another scam coming out of the WH or the congress. They are tired of the huge government, that does nothing. They are tired of the deficit this government has created. Stonewalling of information that is DUE to the American people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pm“In answer to your question–I wouldn’t know. I’m not being manipulated. If I were you I’d find a more intelligent question to ask. If you repeat that one every day, you’re going to look like a complete nut case–especially after the Dems lose t