Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally
Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally
Yesterday, Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman admitted that when President Bush said that he had a plan to cut America’s dependence on Middle East oil by 75 percent, he didn’t really mean it:
One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America’s dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn’t mean it literally.
Here are some other statements by Bush that are not to be taken literally –
Bush, 4/20/04:
Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.
Bush, 6/10/04:
Q Given — given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney’s discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent’s name?
THE PRESIDENT: That’s up to —
Q And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Bush, 9/15/05:
And tonight I also offer this pledge of the American people: Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives.
President Bush, 1/11/06:
[W]hen an American President says something, he better mean it….in order to be able to have credibility in this world, when we speak, we better mean what we say.
You’re on notice: don’t take Bush at his word. He may just be using words as a metaphor to represent something completely different.
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Oh, WHATEVER. Chimp-man speak with forked tongue. People who don’t know that aren’t capable of independent thought.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:00 amTo point out that every word out of Bush’s mouth is a lie including “and” and “the” is kind of old news, don’t you think?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 am[...] UPDATE: Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally. [...]
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 amWhy is he still allowed to show up for work? Any of us would have been fired quite some time ago.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 amI suppose Peeping George has changed it from Opposite Day to Opposite Decade.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:11 amEverything Bush spews is LIES or BALONEY, so who cares what the man rants about anything! He must resign or be impeached!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:17 amOnce George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:17 amCHIMPEACH!!!!!
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February 2nd, 2006 at 11:20 amyou’re not living in reality Antagonist. You are the one addicted to “no thought” and “no reason” Take a look around our country, unless you don’t care. Maybe your little “perch” is safe now. Wait till your civil liberties are affected….then you’ll be needing your 12 step program. And by the way, get off your “hate lefties” binge so you can start to see straight.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:20 amLol Antagonist you Clinton haters need a 12 step program to recover from hatred! Bill has been out of office for 5 years, but you still blame him for everything your fool Bush does!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:21 amUnbelievable:
It is indeed unbelievable that this man continues to occupy the WH. His lies and distortions are legendary. At this point it’s hard for me to believe anything other than this:
True conservatives that have backed this man from the beginning are ashamed at this point to admit being duped. Think about the enormity of his lies. People have dies because of them. That’s a hard pill to swallow. Would it be easy for you to admit that you had been aiding and abetting, hell cheerleading this man while he has been committing treasonous acts?
Let’s not forget also that many Bush supporters have their religious faith all wrapped up in this man as well. It’s gotta be hard to admit that he is the devil in disguise. Neocon talking points are passed out in churches. How many people are brave enough to stand up in church and refute the propaganda? Rove’s strategy of incorporating the neocon message into everyday people’s religion was heinous, yet brilliant. Faith is the one thing that people are hesitant to question. I am convinced that it is the reason for a majority of Bush supporters hanging on for dear life to their belief in this administration. It’s the main reason that when faced with facts, they become emotional and irrational.
There is hope though. As stubborn as faith allows some to be, when shattered that same faith will cause them to revolt. There are months to go before the midterm elections. More revelations are sure to come to light. Hopefully, with the truth being shoved down their throats more and more everyday the “believers” will be forced to reevaluate their support for this administration.
Now if we could only deal with the pesky issue of paperless e-voting using rigged machines……….
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am#4 What do you mean “show up for work”? Everytime I turn around he’s on vacation in Texas or somewhere.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am‘truthiness’….lieing with good intent (for himself)
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 am06 the start,08 OUT.
Once George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:17 am
Your side ‘hates’, it’s why you think we do. But hippies, vegetarians, pacificts, volunteers, and tree huggers don’t hate. We share concern and alarm over this administration’s actions. And we come here to try discuss it.
Hate gets you nowhere, but honest discussion gets you solutions. Try it some time. Doesn’t require prescriptions for Prozac, Lunesta and Viagra. And you’ll sleep like a baby at night (I know, I’m a reformed conservative).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:24 amTwo thoughts on this…
1. What would the wingnut response have been have Clinton said “don’t take it literally when I said I did not have sexual relations etc etc?”
2. I definitely did not take him literally when he claimed his mandate.
But mostly, I think TP are too harsh. After all, Chimp doesn’t lie. He just gets bad intelligence. In fact, he appears addicted to it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 ambut he meant that stuff about animal-human hybrid literally, right?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 amI don’t hate Bush. I am disgusted with a man who postures as “Leader of the Free World” continues to lie and use any means necessary to gain his own political ends.
Sometimes it is as if we are living in the Mirror Universe. Everything he says is exactally the oppposite of what he does. Everything except cut taxes to the rich that is.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:30 am#10: You win! :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 am#7 has nothing to do with Bush per se… anyone that is..
1) An idiot that talks down to people as if he knows better than they do.
2) Relies on faith instead of sound science
3) Lets right wing nut jobs, oil execs, military equipment companies, Saudis, and just about every other asshole in the world guide his decisions
4) Lets his followers swift boat anyone that tells the truth in opposition to his lies
5) Defends Americas enemies from America even if they attack us 911 style
is pretty much open for hate from people that believe in the America that Ben Franklin, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson built for us.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 amStr8UpNoChaser
I was having a debate with Giacomo, and essentially, accused him of the same thing. Of clinging to an exposed belief simply because admitting that it is wrong makes his thing his whole existence prior ‘wrong’. And that people who are ‘wrong’ are ‘bad’. And ‘bad’ people wind up in Hell. Hell is a pretty threatening consequence to keep so many people clinging to obsolete ideology and refusing to ever say “I’m sorry.”
Best year of my life was when I gave up religion, the Republican party and a life living in the shadows of fear.
But still, I would have hoped that a rally of Democrats could have gotten the ball rolling, so that come November, impeachment is just the next step and not the tenth or twentieth…
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:32 am#4 What do you mean “show up for work� Everytime I turn around he’s on vacation in Texas or somewhere.
Comment by Clif — February 2, 2006 @ 11:22 am
How sadly true!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:33 amWhat’s the word I’m thinking of when I read one of the President’s cabinet members say that he didn’t mean something he said in the State of the Union “literally”?
Hmmm…ah! The word is “Clintonian”. ‘42 haggled over the definition of “is” and in his latest stunt ‘43 isn’t to be taken literally.
Some of us never took him literally…as Governor or as President.
So much for bringing integrity back to the White House. Of course that hasn’t happened because Bush probably can’t spell it properly to look it up in a dictionary.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:34 amI don’t hate Bush. I am disgusted with a man who postures as “Leader of the Free World†continues to lie and use any means necessary to gain his own political ends.
Sometimes it is as if we are living in the Mirror Universe. Everything he says is exactally the oppposite of what he does. Everything except cut taxes to the rich that is.
Comment by Hardy Haberman — February 2, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Well said. Same here. I think he just has never had to use his brain, and so he does not know how to start. I do think he means well. He’s just incompetent and that is an incredibly dangerous thing in the hands of someone who relies on the ‘intelligence’ of corruption, war-mongering and the Evangelicals.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:36 am#7.
We will bash Bush for years after he is out of office. We will take a page from the Clinton Bashing winger of the wingers. For the next 20 years, any fuck up, any problem, any hassle, or attack on America and we will promptly leap into action and blame BUSH!
-GSD
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 amThanks post 19 The Witch > Bushites as I call them blame Clinton for everything, but their lover Bush is blameless! They all act like dry drunks as Dubya > lol.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 am#15
You said:
Your side ‘hates’, it’s why you think we do. But hippies, vegetarians, pacificts, volunteers, and tree huggers don’t hate. We share concern and alarm over this administration’s actions. And we come here to try discuss it.
All I have to say is:
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:38 amAre you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
#24–Bush has never ever EVER been held accountable for any of his actions–going AWOL, all the failed businesses, screwing up Texas as governor, 9/11, starting a war based on lies…the guy has never been made to accept any actual responsibility for ANYTHING. He has no idea of what it means to “suffer consequences” for his actions. The rest of us have had to actually work to get where we are; Bush was born into wealth and all his screw ups were smoothed over and buried by Poppy or any number of Poppy’s friends.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:40 am#24
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:40 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
#27 Antagonist:
God, I hate you.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:41 amAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
That’s just repeating what you initially said that caused me to tell you that because you know hate personally, you assume it of others. You see it posted here because that is all you are capable of seeing. I do not see hate, because I, as a liberal, understand the liberal mindset is to see solutions. So, essentially, you are getting what you seek. Seek something more that hate, and you’ll be amazed at how wrong you were assuming us to be just like you (since clearly that would be obvious).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:43 am#20 Gerald Gibson,
Which is it with you? You preach one day and extol the virtues of science over religion the next. Flip-flop,flip flop… Are you John Kerry?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:43 am#27
Some hate yes. Mostly people posting logical truths that describe what is actually happening.
Being against murder or the desecration of the Constitution is not hate. It is reason.
Learn the difference.
Do you chear when you see a show about a child molestor that gets away with his crimes? No? Well what do you do? Get pissed and say, “How can a piece of shit like that child molestor get away with that crap?”
Same thing here. Bush and his neo cons are not republicans, They are fascists and it is rediculous to even consider cheering their crimes. In fact those crimes should compel everyone to say, “How can a piece of shit like that neocon Administration get away with that crap?”
Learn the difference. The American revolutionists were not “haters” they simply were calling a wrong a wrong and a violation against their privacy a violation against their privacy. Was George Washington a hater when he said that the red coats were criminals for forcing their way into peoples homes looking for contraband?
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:44 amAntagonist, don’t you just hate the hate? That is what it is all about. Bush hates the truth. Bush hates liberals. Bush hates gays. Bush hates abortion. Bush hates scientists. Bush hates the environment. Bush hates education. Bush hates people that aren’t rich enough to pay for thier own health care. Bush hates dissent.
I’m sick and tired of the Bush hatisms and he has to go.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:44 amOK, I’ll admit it: I HATE what Bush and that gang of neocon thugs have done to this country and much of the rest of the world (a country that I and many of my family members have fought for and defended). I HATE their bullying tactics & almost constant smear jobs and character assassination (think Murtha, Max Cleland, Cindy Sheehan and even one of “their own”, John McCain, back during the 2000 primaries). I HATE their lack of responsibility. I HATE their greed. I HATE their willingness to send other peoples’ kids off to fight an illegal war…
So yeah, I guess maybe I do HATE, even though Jesus taught that we should rise above it…
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:45 am#24–Bush has never ever EVER been held accountable for any of his actions–going AWOL, all the failed businesses, screwing up Texas as governor, 9/11, starting a war based on lies…the guy has never been made to accept any actual responsibility for ANYTHING. He has no idea of what it means to “suffer consequences†for his actions. The rest of us have had to actually work to get where we are; Bush was born into wealth and all his screw ups were smoothed over and buried by Poppy or any number of Poppy’s friends.
Comment by Preznit_Douchebag — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
Exactly. In fact, it’s not possible for me to agree more with you :). Ignorance might be bliss to those who are ignorant, but not to the rest of us in their path.
I was telling someone the other day that the age for being President should eb raised, and that serving in a war might need to be as well (I’m on the fence about that one).
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 amAntagonist
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man. Your plastic jesus is not real. Jesus and science are not opposites. Right wing nuts and Jesus are opposites. Jesus died on the cross for TRUTH. Scientists have died for TRUTH. America took away right wing nut jobs legal justification for witch hunting scientists and theirfore TRUTH by writing into law the seperation of church and state.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
We don’t have kool-aid. We’re the group who refuses to drink it. It’s what makes us the other side.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 am#31
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 amAre you daft?
Words have meaning–How about I say the most rude things to you, then if you’re offended I’ll say you only assumed it was offensive. It was because of your own hatred you interpreted my words that way.
Bush is despicable. That’s a fact. But so was Lyndon Johnson (for you oldtimers out there) and Richard Nixon. You could never believe them. It’s really a function, in my mind, of how out of whack our system is, where the president, any president, is treated like a king–”leader of the free world”–and the rubber-stamp congress, which is supposed to be paramount according to the Constitution, just goes along for the ride. Okay, libs, attack away.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 am#37
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:50 amIn your collective celebration of open-mindedness, You forgot to consider any facts.
[...] In addition to the reversal of his pledge to reduce dependence on Middle-East oil by 75% by 2025, we should be attuned to: Other Things Bush Said That You Shouldn’t Take Literally [...]
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:51 amYou’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Look up “Jim Jones” in your favorite search engine. That is the koolaid…and they were right wing nut jobs …not democrats.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:53 amBush is a Veritable Gold Mine of Toe Shootings
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 amI dislike what Bush does as president! Hate is a Bush lover affliction > they hate liberals, Gays {even though many of them are closet queens}, Blacks, Latinos, and especially Arabs! They want to wipe-out the entire Middle East, because they hate all Muslims!
It is horrible that Bush himself incites hatred for others!
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 am#36
You said,
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 amOnce George W. Bush leaves office, this website will be a ghost town. Then all of you lefties are going to need some kind of 12 step program to get off this hate bush binge you’ve been on. Comment by Antagonist
Antagonist just doesn’t get it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but people who post on this site just don’t like Bush and his lame-brained policies. I mean, not me of course. But if I was one of the “lefties” Antagonist was mentioning I wouldn’t like the dumb-assed, egotistal, want-a-be cowboy, dipshit either.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 amMy guess is you just don’t understand the English language. Of course some quotes taken out of context might seem disingenuous. Or some quotes that use big words might confuse you into thinking it means something other than what was intended. I’m sure it’s just all a misunderstanding…after all 53% of you losers couldn’t graduate high school. Even dumbed down high school. That’s what Kerry said. Was he LYING?
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004429.htm
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 amHey Antagonist, why not go spout your platitudes elsewhere; we’re not interested in them…pithy little sayings like, “In your collective celebration of open-mindedness, You forgot to consider any facts.” and “You’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid” make for pretty hollow soundbites. Even Rush would be ashamed to utter them.
And Don # 39–I agree with you. I’m a former republican who dropped out when the neocon/right wing fundies chased the true conservatives out. I registered as a democrat for a few years until I realized what enablers they are in general–”we’re just like the republicans, only less so”.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:58 am#42
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:58 amI know the Koolaid was in reference to Jim Jones… I was drawing a parallel between hsi blind followers and how you believe whatever the Democrat party says without question.
I-R-I > Karl Rove needs you to post on the older threads > lol.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAmerica took away right wing nut jobs legal justification for witch hunting scientists and theirfore TRUTH by writing into law the seperation of church and state.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
You’re an idiot.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
I post here alot, show me where I said Hate.
Show Me where it says “LEFT” only at this web site.
Are you Left?
Define Left, Better yet Define your Version of ‘Liberal’ or Left, and I dont mean Just the Low Brow Limbaugh Version, I alos mean the High Brow version of left or ‘Liberal’
IN Your VIEW, not pundits.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amSaper Aude
Are you daft?
Words have meaning–How about I say the most rude things to you, then if you’re offended I’ll say you only assumed it was offensive. It was because of your own hatred you interpreted my words that way.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Nope, but clearly you are.
Then I would agree. Your words only have meaning if I allow them to. If I don’t care, then words do not matter. It’s a personal choice to allow them to matter or not matter.
And I’ve learned that not taking other people personally keeps you from being consumed by hate. You should try it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 amAntagonist
I went to church two times a week for years and I read the bible on my own without a preacher doing it for me.
Jesus didnt write the bible. It was written long after he died. All the supernatural mombo jumbo was put in there by people with an agenda. Not that it was a bad agenda. ALWAYS after a great leader dies people pumpup the myths with all kinds of fantastical “blue oxen” tall tales to try to convey how “big” the person really was. In the case of Jesus it was totally unneccessary. His words were clear. We (including Jesus) are all MEN. And how we treat each other is more important than any other thing. Period.
You are the one that doesnt know the first thing about Jesus. He spoke in parables. Which are stories that use imagery to convey a message. Those things are NOT to be taken literaly. That same teaching technique has been used for thousands of years by people all over the world and only religious ding bats totally miss the message and take the story literaly.
Look up what a koan is. Same thing as a Jesus parable.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:00 pm#48
Hey douchebag, why don’t you kiss my a$$! I’ll post anywhere I like. Besides if I wasn’t here this thread would be pretty slow.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmAnd Don # 39–I agree with you. I’m a former republican who dropped out when the neocon/right wing fundies chased the true conservatives out. I registered as a democrat for a few years until I realized what enablers they are in general–â€we’re just like the republicans, only less soâ€.
Comment by Preznit_Douchebag
I doubt very much that you could define a conservative.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pm#51 …
Prove it.
Your assertions mean nothing.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmAll I have to say is:
Are you blind? Can you not see the hate that is posted by the left here every day?
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:38 am
By your INFERRING someone is Blind,you are attempting to project your Perception of someone ’stumbly blindly around.’
Your Getting Better, but the ‘hidden jabs’ still exist in your ‘unbiased’ exercise.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pmYou have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God. Comment by Antagonist
Wrong again, knucklehead.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but NO WHERE in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God. Not even the son of God. In fact, when questioned by those who jugded him, he repeatedly said he was the “Son of man.” Not god. Man.
But of course, you and the “Christian” faithful would never admit that the Bible says that. Or that Bush is one of the dumbest dips that has ever presided over a brainwashed nation.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pmAnd as an Antagonist, you have Failed =)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:03 pm#45
“#36
You said,
Jesus was not a god. Jesus was a man.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God.
Comment by Antagonist”
Let’s see here…. If Jesus was God, then why did he say on the cross while looking into the sky. “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”? Would he not have said something like. “I forgive you for you know not what you do”?
You can’t take the bible literally. It was written by MAN. We all know what happens if you tell one person something in a room and have that message sent around the room and back to the originator. The message is always modified, if not completely changed to some other meaning.
Besides, the person who wrote the book claimed that Jesus said he was God. This does not mean that this is what Jesus actually said. Just look at all the books out today. Do you take what the authors of those books say in them as literal?
Now come back to reality.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:04 pm#49
I dont believe anything without question. NOTHING. When I was growing up I was totally afraid of beer, pot, LSD, etc. When I was out of highschool my friends were all experimenting with this stuff and like the nerd that I am I went to the library and found out that most of the stuff I learned in my “just say no” days was BS. Scientists did lots of studies of the effects of these drugs and published them. I read those studies and only then did I go to a party with my friends and try that stuff. That doesnt sound like a peer pressure follower to me… Next time you are in church and your preacher is saying “Jesus said a …” ask yourself, “Do I think Jesus meant that or am I just nodding my head with the crowd?” …
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmI know the Koolaid was in reference to Jim Jones… I was drawing a parallel between hsi blind followers and how you believe whatever the Democrat party says without question.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:58 am
Not every one here is a Democrat. I vote Green Party mostly, but I am an independent. So much for that theory…
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pm#54
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pmI guess Greek an Hebrew scholars don’t even know as much as you do about Jesus and the Bible. Thank God I ran into you! Now I can abandon my faith and disregard the overwhelming evidence in support of Christianity. Then I can create my own reality, boast of my open-mindedness and become a liberal! You truly have saved my…I think we gotta hug!
#55 You are right. It is people like you that help us “reasonists” sharpen our reasoning. I appreciate it when you come here and help us out like that.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:09 pmI do think he means well.
Comment by unbelievable #23
…a fatal mistake…(one inbreds still cling to)…
…one along the lines of, “Bush is an affable sorta guy, y’know the kind you’d like to invite to your backyard barbecue and have a few beers with.”
-Chris Matthews-
…$8trillion (and counting), tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of lives, nuclear hot ME and N. korea, Russia and China waiting in the wings for our overstretched military to snap, and Socialist anti-Bushite S. America…
…da*n that’s some expensive beer...
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:10 pm#62
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:10 pmThis may come as asuprise to you, but many Christians do exactly what you said. Although many blindly sit and accept the most horrendous teachings without question–still many study and do their own research. It’s a mistake to lump all people with religious beliefs together.
You have absolutely no understanding of who Jesus is–He himself claimed to be God. Comment by Antagonist
WOW another Broad Spectrum of nothing…??
YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING…And you do? How so can this be? By watching TV? How so can you PROVE any of this what you state?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmdisregard the overwhelming evidence in support of Christianity.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
What overwhelming support? There is none. Even you guys can agree amongst yourself and your 2000 year old religion has thousands of sects. The overwhelming support is actually for Evolution.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pmHA HA, I-Right-I…I’m guessing I was a “conservative” way back before you were even born. Eisenhower was a conservative, the chimp-man some call president is anything but. Witness the explosion the size of the federal government, the stupendous increase in national debt, the war-mongering, the use of government positions to fulfill quotas for cronies and to funnel taxpayer money to favored contractors…sorry, there ain’t nothing conservative about today’s neocons.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:13 pm#24 Antagonist:
#24
You’ve been drinking the Democrat Koolaid.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 11:40 am
You should write for Comedy Central. Satire is your thing. The democratic party isn’t the party of kool-aid drinkers, the republican party is. Democrats welcome different ideas. It’s the reason we are amused when republicans use the statements of one dolt to speak for us all. It’s the reason that most here laugh ourselves silly when Hillary is mentioned as a candidate for ‘08. Most of us don’t support her for Pres. Listen to democrats. You will hear ideas expressed in different ways. We may be talking about the same subject, but we won’t use the same language. Republicans have become parrots. They repeat the same talking points over and over again. It is possible to have a conversation with a dozen different republicans and never hear an original thought. Kool-aid drinkers each and every one. Partisan Parrot….heal thyself.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:15 pmthis is brilliant… the Bush Follies… he’s a bigger flip-flopper than Kerry could ever aspire to, and a bigger hypocrite than we’ve ever seen in office…
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm##62
This may come as asuprise to you, but many Christians do exactly what you said. Although many blindly sit and accept the most horrendous teachings without question–still many study and do their own research. It’s a mistake to lump all people with religious beliefs together.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
You Having said this Antagonist;
then are you also not then trying to ‘Group’ everyone here with your perception of the ‘Left’.
Thru Horrendous teachings, such as Limbaugh (my Opine), accomplishes the same thing you said above?
To try and Lump people?
Every Day I see the Same Attacks by these folks, Verbatim to what Rush ‘SAID’.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pmBig Papa,
Cease fire :)
I don’t think it’s fatal when followed by the balance of my post, because in seeing him as incompetent, I’m not disarmed by his naivitee’. As a result, I do not want him in office anymore than I want Cheney, who is intentionally corrupt in office. The conclusion is the same. They are both dangerous and not to be trusted.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pm#64… just go to the library. I suggest you DO NOT take my word for it nor your preachers. Go to the library or use the Internet and read …read …read… you will find out some things you never knew was real…like in the Koran they praise Jesus…did you know the Muslims talk about Jesus being a good guy? Hmmm? Did you know the Zen Buddhists often use the words of Jesus to show the truth? Did you know that many of the things Jesus said were said before him by Buddha? Did you know that people that live in Africa are NOT devil worshipers? Did you know that the jewish Talmud says that Jesus is an evil magic user that led his fellow jews away from god? Did you know there was a party of people in America during preWWII that supported Hitler? Do some studying … You are talking about Greek and Hebrew scholars only because you heard someone reference them when making their case…have you looked up what those scholars actually said?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:17 pm…one along the lines of, “Bush is an affable sorta guy, y’know the kind you’d like to invite to your backyard barbecue and have a few beers with.â€
-Chris Matthews-
No, see, I wouldn’t want to be friends with him. Not a fair comparison. I don’t want ignorants in office or as my friends.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:18 pmIt’s probably too much to expect from the trolls, but please read this and tell everyone again why OIL is more important than human life?
Soldiers have a great bullshit meter because their lives depend on it. They know it’s about oil and greed; that’s why they have difficulty getting back to civilian life.
From — http://www.teambio.org/2006/02/state-of-our-family-address/
“My son wouldn’t look me in the eyes when he first returned from Iraq. He always seemed nervous and jumpy. Riding in the car with him as he weaved from lane to lane avoiding any road debris. Tollbooths made him crazy [...]
Fast forward to August 2005. I hadn’t heard from my son in awhile. He has been slowly pushing away everyone that loves and cares for him. We live in different states and it’s hard to track him. In August I found him. He looked like a skeleton [...]
Then came the dream. Mothers are bonded to their children. We know their hurts, their pains, we feel them even when their thousands of miles away. On January 9th the dream came. In the dream there was an Iraqi, my son and me. We were attached through ropes. Suddenly my son was hoisted in the air and his body slammed against a beam [...]
The next day I had an emergency phone call from my sons ex girlfriend. She told me through her tears that my son had driven his car over an embankment. She saw the car she couldn’t believe he survived. She had talked to some of his friends that told her he was crying that night and talking about the war. Whenever my son gets a few beers in him his friends tell me he talks about the war. they describe it as “Crazy talkâ€. He wants the blood of the Iraqis he killed off his hands. He then left and drove his car at high speed over an embankment.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmPartisan Parrot….heal thyself.
Comment by Str8UpNoChaser — February 2, 2006 @ 12:15 pm
mr ho like; Partisan Parrot..Heal thyself
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmAntagonist
I went to church two times a week for years and I read the bible on my own without a preacher doing it for me.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
That was a waste of time.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm#59
These are but a few instances…
During Christ’s trial, the chief priests asked Him point blank, “Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” And He said,
“I am.” (Mark 14:60-62)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 pm“Yes, it is as you say.” (Matt. 26: 63-65)
“You are right in saying I am.” (Luke 22:67-70)
Soldiers have a great bullshit meter because their lives depend on it. They know it’s about oil and greed; that’s why they have difficulty getting back to civilian life.
Comment by realist67
Nonsense.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmThat was a waste of time.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Yep, religion is a waste of time. You’re finally getting it!
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmTwilight of Conservatism
The rise of Bushism wouldn’t have surprised Robert Nisbet.
By Thomas E. Woods Jr.
“War and the military are, without question, among the very worst of the earth’s afflictions,” an American conservative of distinction once wrote, “responsible for the majority of the torments, oppressions, tyrannies, and suffocations of thought the West has for long been exposed to. In military or war society anything resembling true freedom of thought, true individual initiative in the intellectual and cultural and economic areas, is made impossible–not only cut off when they threaten to appear but, worse, extinguished more or less at root. Between military and civil values there is, and always has been, relentless opposition. Nothing has proved more destructive of kinship, religion, and local patriotisms than has war and the accompanying military mind.”
That was Robert Nisbet in 1975. In The Conservative Intellectual Movement Since 1945, George Nash identified Nisbet, along with Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver, as one of the three most noteworthy of those intellectuals he identified as traditional conservatives. Of the three, Nisbet probably remains the least known among modern conservatives–a shame, and one that we can hope Brad Lowell Stone’s very good biography of Nisbet may help to rectify.
http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_12_05/article.html
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pm“Here are some other statements by Bush that are not to be taken literally…”
Speaking as a longtime resident of NYC, I think you forgot the most blatantly egregious one of all…
September 13, 2001 — “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:26 pm#80 – You know I was once told that I am like a God, and I said I am aint I. Do you think that some day a book will be written about me and claim that I said I was God?
Cummon…… THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN, NOT GOD.
There is very little in the Bible you can take as absolute. For exampmle….
The bible talks about Adam and Eves sons leaving and going to a city to take wives. OK….. If God created Adam, and then Eve how did this other city get created? Where did their sons take wives from? How can their son’s take wives when there is only Adam and Eve?
So, the bible is a good source to show how life might be lived and show how things might have been, but they are not true and absolute.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:28 pmShe had talked to some of his friends that told her he was crying that night and talking about the war. Whenever my son gets a few beers in him his friends tell me he talks about the war. they describe it as “Crazy talkâ€. He wants the blood of the Iraqis he killed off his hands. He then left and drove his car at high speed over an embankment.â€
Comment by realist67 — February 2, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
Having Seem my uncle come back from Vietnam, and what that War did to him, and that we know know, was Fomented with False Intelligence, or the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident.
Perhaps it would never have happened.60,000 American Lives.
Today We have the Same, A war with Cherry Picked Intelligence, Blatant Misleads and Lies, and thousands of Dead Sons and Daughters of America for a Few, The Ideologists of PNAC
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmNo I-RIGHT-I
Because of that time I learned that there was a Jesus that wasnt a crazy. Then I went off on my own and looked into his message further and I learned that people like you are the evil that Jesus spoke about. Evil is in men. Men like you. Ego that is out of control. Telling you that you are better than other people. Telling you to ignore others suffering as long as it isnt YOU that is suffering. Ignoring the truth so that you can thump your chest with false bravado. I learned alot from Jesus. Most of all that people like you dont know HIM.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI wish I had the timeline, but I don’t. At some time The catholic churc, long before the move to constantinople, and the creation of the eastern orthodox church; spent a lot of time arguing over the issue of jesus’ divinity. The final vote was to deitify jesus, and to strike from the official text mention of jesus as a man, with the exception of the virgin birth.
I am sorry that is so long winded but I felt it had to be said.
As for Bush and his statements. I don’t like the guy or his policies, but it is hardly unusual for any politician to retract or say a comment was misconstrued. Bush does seem to be racking up a lot of them though.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmUm Antagonist,
All of thos quotes say that he said he was the son of god. Not a god or the God. I mean Hercules was the son of a god, Zeus, but Hercules wasn’t a god either.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmmr ho, don’t forget the equivilent of the Gulf of Tonkin, the WTC. Without the WTC, we would not be where we are today.
This is why the FBI was forced to stop looking into Bin Ladens family. Why the FBI information was ignored. Why the military directives were changed months before the attack. Well, you get the point.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:33 pmIf you actually read the first two chapters of Genesis, they not only contradict themselves, but don’t work.
Couple of quick examples:
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:33 pmYou can’t have plants created BEFORE the sun (they need sun to live).
And carnivores can’t come before killing, or how would they eat, since they need meat protein?
Christians who are honest with themselves understand that the Bible was inspired by God, but written by man. Man is fallible, and makes many mistakes. (Just look at what Pres. Bush has done to America!)
Quoting the Bible to justify faith in the Bible is like quoting Pres. Bush to justify faith in Pres. Bush: it’s a no-win scenario, and proves your inability to cogitate. ;-)
By the way, Anty, why don’t you try and refute the ramblings of our lemming-in-chief? Afraid your arguments won’t stand up to scrutiny? Or have your ultra-radical right-wing talking heads not given you your points for the day?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:35 pmAntagonist …
“I am.†(Mark 14:60-62)
STOP TAKING IT LITERALLY!!!!
Dont you rememeber … “I AM THE I AM”
Dont you remember … Jesus said, “It is I who am the light (that presides) over all. It is I who am the entirety: it is from me that the entirety has come, and to me that the entirety goes. Split a piece of wood: I am there. Lift a stone, and you (plur.) will find me there.”
Jesus is saying “I AM” is everywhere. In every man. In every piece of wood. Under every stone. In every man. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!!
Dont you get his message??? He wasnt saying, “Sure I am god! Praise me!!!”
How rediculous a notion that Jesus would stand there with such a big out of control EGO!!!! That is NOT Jesus. Jesus was making a point to those priests. We was talking in imagery to them.
“You are right in saying I AM.†(Luke 22:67-70)
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:36 pm#39, Don. Nobody is arguing with you, did you notice? That’s because we are in basic agreement. You are a liberal, my friend.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:37 pmYou can’t take the fact that he thinks Osama bin Laden is important literally. He didn’t think he was important when Harriet Miers gave him the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing.
He even said that he doesn’t hink about him.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:39 pm
Antagonist, it appears that you aren’t much of a adversary. Try looking at facts and then ask yourselft why you oppose them.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmDon’t take this statement literally, it encourages the enemy and is therefore treasonous:
“There are some who, uh, feel like that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is: Bring ‘em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation. “ – George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:42 pm#96 it appears you expect people to read your mind. What are you talking about?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pm“I don’t know where [Osama bin Laden] is. I’ll repeat what I said: I am truly not that concerned about him.”
Brady briefing room, Mar 13, 2002
“I just don’t think I ever said I’m not worried about Osama bin Laden. It’s kind of one of those exaggerations.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pm3rd Presidential Debate, October 13, 2004
#93
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 pmHow about this one?
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” [33] “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Antagonist, are you unfamiliar with the definition of antagonist? Sheesh
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 pm#88
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:47 pmIt sounds like you read The Davinci Code, and you bought into Dan Brown’s history revisionism. Don’t feel bad, many who are opposed to the diety of Christ try to revise what happened at the Nicene Councel.
There was a NPR program last night where they were talking to a person who used to work for President Eisenhower. He said that they checked the facts so carefully that if he said “the fog walked in on little cat’s feet”, he would be asked “where is the cat? can we see it”. I really respect this.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pmOh, I begin to understand… Maybe Bush wasn’t taking literally the PDB stating Al Qaida Determined to Attack USA soil? What is literal for Bush? A rock hitting his head?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:51 pm#101
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:52 pmAre you getting literal on me Bob? You know liberals aren’t supposed to believe in absolutes.
#100
That quote from the bible says that other people say that he said he claims to be god. You still haven’t shown that Jesus said that he was God.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:52 pmSo you clearly see Dan Brown’s The DaVinci Code as history revisionism but you are blind to Bush’s history revisionism. Selective believing leads to ignorance.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:53 pmCONTINUATION OF BUSH’S “NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT BIN LADEN” STATEMENT
QUESTION: Do you believe the threat that bin Laden posed won’t truly be eliminated until he is found either dead of alive?
BUSH: As I say, we hadn’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don’t know where he is.
I’ll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins.
He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it — either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things that’s part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary or training or a place to hide or a place to raise money. And we got more work to do.
NOW WE’VE GOT BIN LADEN RIGHT WHERE WE WANT HIM — IRAQ
A sudden withdrawal of our forces from Iraq would abandon our Iraqi allies to death and prison — put men like bin Laden and Zarqawi in charge of a strategic country — and show that a pledge from America means little.
SOTU Feb 1 2006
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:55 pm#100 … Exactly. The jews misunderstood him. And you are being just like those jews. The jews in the new testament are people that Jesus is trying to lead away from prejudice. They are the ones he is trying to change. They were wrong about him which is why he was trying to teach them. HE was talking about the IAM the whole time. He used I AM as a replacement for the word GOD. It is a way to make people say I AM… and you are I AM. and the romans are I AM… and the poor and the sick are I AM… NOT just the “special people” that followed the priests and their TALMUD. You need to look at the history of the times Jesus lived in. Not just the bible. Jesus was living under occupation. The prophecy of a savior was being talked about for hundreds of years before Jesus from the times when the jews had been taken as slaves by the babylonians (Iraqis) and they prayed for a savior like Moses to come save them. That savior never came. But then the romans occupied them for along time and crushed their freedoms. They then started concentrating on a savior again. Jesus was born in the middle of this. Jesus was told about the star in the sky when he was born and about all the babies that were slaughtered by the romans as they tried to quell the peoples faith in a savior to come and save them from the romans. Jesus grew up seeing the jewish priests collaborating with the romans against the poor jews who were too poor and not in the right social groups to get special treatment by the romans. Jesus grew up seeing the talmudic jews living in luxury while the rest of the people suffered.
There is alot more to Jesus than what is told in the bible.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmtwo threads for the price of one
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:56 pmEverything that the President says is BS. He has lost so much credibility. He is going down as the worst President in history. Worst that Nixon.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:57 pm#102
Was god presiding over the Nicene Councel? NOPE. Those were people siting in a room long after Jesus was dead talking about what myths they wanted to push. Holy crap think about what you just said.
Just because some people that were setting up a power system to act as a base for the roman catholic movement got together and SAID Jesus was super natural doesnt make it so. What if I SAID the world was flat…would you believe me?
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:58 pm#105 – Actually, I believe in absolute more than a story. I also think that most people believe in absolute more than a story, at least the common sense and sain types.
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:58 pmAntagonist, you oppose views put forward here. As an example, what Bush says can’t be taken literally. He has shown this time and again and there are plenty more examples than what is on this thread. You believe he can be taken literally. That IS being an antangonist. The truth has been shown to you that he can’t be taken literally (kind of like the bible) so when you accept the facts you will not be able to be an antagonist here.
Maybe you should choose a different tag name.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:00 pmtwo threads for the price of one
Comment by Don — February 2, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
hahaahahahaha
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:00 pmHow rediculous a notion that Jesus would stand there with such a big out of control EGO!!!! That is NOT Jesus. Jesus was making a point to those priests. We was talking in imagery to them.
“You are right in saying I AM.†(Luke 22:67-70)
Comment by Gerald Gibson
The liberal can not admit that the God of the Old Testament covered in blood and wrath could be the same gentle Jesus they so love to conjure for themselves. Yet, it is so. The Jews understood Him perfectly.
Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:04 pm#116
Thanks for backing me up there… I thought you were just a dult.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:07 pmThis sounds like fun. Here are some other things that George W. Bush has said that we shouldn’t take literally:
“God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you can help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
- President George W. Bush speaking to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas. Gene Lyons, “It Ain’t Stealing When You Admit It,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 7-9-03
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
- Governor George W. Bush on Kosovo. R.G. Ratcliffe, “Bush toughens his stance on NATO bombing,” Houston Chronicle, 4-9-99
“It means that – first of all, I’m proud to be an American, and they [war protesters] should be, too. They’ve got all the right in the world to express their opinion.”
– . Alison Bethel, “Bush Tries to Sell War Beyond D.C.,” Detroit News, 3-4-03
Many thanks to Bruce Miller and his book “Take Them at Their Words”
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:09 pmPresident Bush’ s struggles with his mother tongue are legendary. This latest incomprehensible utterance illustrates the last of the four types of Bush gaffes. The first, Accidental Truth, involves Bush inadvertently saying what he actually feels or believes. The second, What He Really Meant, are those cases where the discerning observer can find the actual intent of Bush’s words that had been sadly lost in his lack of familiarity with English. The third, Post-Modern Dyslexia, involves President Bush changing the order, conjugation or tense of words to render the mundane incomprehensible. Last, as in the case of Bush “going on with his life”, is the What the F**k? category, where the meaning of Bush’s words are hidden to man and God alike.
For the full analysis, see:
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:12 pm“On W’s Words of Wisdom”
This is my new favorite Bush Accidental Truth
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
But of course, Antagonist, IRI and the like, know that you can’t take him literally.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmWhen a person is faced with the unavoidable reality that their lifelong belief system is shattered, it often leads to a personal crisis, or “nervous breakdown”, or “rock bottom” when addicts’ belief systems can no longer be defended. Sometimes it results in homocides/suicides, going “postal”. Like when my Republican father-in-law discovered that 30 years of dedicated service to Honeywell, which took him away from his family, was all for not, he started drinking more, and carried a shotgun in his vehicle, we were worried, but he seems to have settled down now.
So go easy on those poor neo-cons, they are only trying to avoid having to be hospitalized for a nervous breakdown.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:26 pm#106
Try to follow along…In the verse proceeding the one I posted in 100, Jesus said I and my Father are one. He was clearly claiming equality with God and the Jews knew it. That’s why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy.
In John 8:58 Jesus made the astounding claim that before Abraham was I AM. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they knew exactly what He meant. I AM was a name God called himself.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pmBush: “I think…”. No. He doesn’t mean he thinks, literally.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm#120
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmI think you have it backwards. You have to repeat propaganda over and over again in order for people to believe it. Like–Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, domestic spying, domestic spying, domestic spying. Truth is simple. People usually expend an enormous amount of energy trying to avoid it–hence the Democratic party and websites like this.
When bush heard literal it probably sounded like liberal, and he said nope not me, can’t do it, I’m not one of those literal people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pm#121
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmMaybe your father in law was drinking because he had a liberal in law like you.
#122
I think I am following along quite nicely, thank you.
Since God is everywhere doesn’t that mean that we are all one with God. That doesn’t mean that he said he was GOD.
and as for this tidbit,
I AM was a name God called himself.
If you have some documents that are written by God himself you better get them over to the Vatican. I think they would be interested. All the documents I have ever seen or heard of were written by men. Oh, maybe you talk to Him personally…..got ya….um I am going to stop talking to you , o.k..?
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm#127 YOU POST ALL ABOUT JESUS BUT FAIL TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:53 pm#127 Sorry I meant#126
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:54 pm#124 Antagonist
Bob said:
This is my new favorite Bush Accidental Truth
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.â€
Your response was:
I think you have it backwards. You have to repeat propaganda over and over again in order for people to believe it. Like–Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, domestic spying, domestic spying, domestic spying. Truth is simple. People usually expend an enormous amount of energy trying to avoid it–hence the Democratic party and websites like this.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
Bob posted a direct Bush quote. Should you need a link, one can be provided for you. Rather than debate the Bush quote, you decided to change it. You must be psychic since you’re able to decipher what Bush meant versus what he actually said. What do you think of Bush admitting that he attempts to “catapult the propaganda”? It’s a tool used by the neocons. Truth doesn’t matter. What matters is what you can make the people believe. My favorite criminal, Mike Scanlon said it best:
“The whacko’s get their information through the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees. … Simply put, we want to bring out the whacko’s to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them.”
Three guesses as to who the “whackos” are. Here’s a hint; it’s not democrats. So Antagonist, how does it feel to know that your whacko ass is being manipulated on a daily basis? I plan on asking that question of at least one conservative every day until the midterm elections.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmSomething else Bush said that you can’t take literally.
White House
April 20, 2004
President Bush: Information Sharing, Patriot Act Vital to Homeland Security
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmHmmm.
That should work.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pm#129
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmphew..thanks. lol
#132 I wonder how much of our taxpayer money this administration has spent on all those stupid backdrops that the president stands in front of when he speaks? I know that all presidents have done this to some extent, but this president seems to do it a lot. And they’re always different, so it’s not like they’re making good use of our money by “recycling and reusing.” How much of our money was spent making that stupid “Mission: Accomplished” banner (which he lied about and said it wasn’t his staff that did it when, in fact, it was.)
And, sorry to have to point it out, Spudge, but your quote is the first example that Judd listed. But that doesn’t make it any less of a fine example of the topic.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:04 pm#124 – You mean like repeating lies such as “Pres. bush didn’t break the wiretapping laws!” or “Liberals control the media!”
How about the lie “Republicans are the party of personal responsibility!”
Here’s one that cracks me up: “Republicans are the party of small government and fiscal responsibility!”
Oh my sides hurt from laughing when hearing these lies over and over and over!!!! Oh my, Anty, you are such a card!
By the bye, what do you think about the Biblical verse that declares that rabbits eat their cud? LEV 11:6
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmIt’d be easier to track when Bush tells the truth. That would be newsworthy.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmThere is alot more to Jesus than what is told in the bible.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
I wouldn’t worry about that if I were you Gerald. You haven’t got what’s down in black and white yet never mind any special revelations you might think you gleaned from someplace else. Basically, everything you know is wrong.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmHey IRI – then address the following:
The bible talks about Adam and Eves sons leaving and going to a city to take wives. OK….. If God created Adam, and then Eve how did this other city get created? Where did their sons take wives from? How can their son’s take wives when there is only Adam and Eve?
So, the bible is a good source to show how life might be lived and show how things might have been, but they are not true and absolute.
Now who doesnt have “what’s down in black and white”?
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmOkay, here is the big one:
White House
May 1, 2003
President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:31 pm
IRI lecturing on morals, how funny is that?
What is missied in thsi thread, from way back earlier in the whole mess, is the definition of hate. I think the thugs find anything hateful which makes the dear leader look stoopid or foolish, hence reality and the truth is hateful. So when people write about factual things that make the president look bad they are spreading hate. Or that is my take on it.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pm#127
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmYou’ll never get it. Anyone with any familiarization with the Bible knows about I AM.
I’m not going to bother trying to expalain it all to you. I’ve already spent too much time explaining things that you’ve already decided not to believe.
#128
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmI don’t think you’d know Jesus’ example if it hit you right in the face.
#138 Carlos Mencia has a great comedy bit about Cain and Ables “wives” .. he says “somebody’s doing their sister”
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 pm#142 Very christ like thank you
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:43 pm#144 I think I’m in agreement with you, Clif. I don’t think Jesus’ example would be hitting anyone in the face.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 pm#130
You said:
So Antagonist, how does it feel to know that your whacko ass is being manipulated on a daily basis? I plan on asking that question of at least one conservative every day until the midterm elections.
In answer to your question–I wouldn’t know. I’m not being manipulated. If I were you I’d find a more intelligent question to ask. If you repeat that one every day, you’re going to look like a complete nut case–especially after the Dems lose the mid-term elections.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:46 pm#146 – I hate to be the one to bring the bad news to you, but…..
The Dems are going to take control of one if not both of the houses in this terms elections. The people are so tired of hearing of another scam coming out of the WH or the congress. They are tired of the huge government, that does nothing. They are tired of the deficit this government has created. Stonewalling of information that is DUE to the American people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pm“In answer to your question–I wouldn’t know. I’m not being manipulated. If I were you I’d find a more intelligent question to ask. If you repeat that one every day, you’re going to look like a complete nut case–especially after the Dems lose the mid-term elections.”
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @
Isn’t that the first thing they indoctrinate you with? “No I’m not being manipulated”!
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:57 pmThe midterms are going to be very disappointing for you, too bad you can’t see the signs.
Not manipulated? I guess you don’t care to know the truth behind the ‘intelligence’ leading to the invasion of Iraq. You probably still believe Saddam had a hand in 911. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:59 pm#135
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmLev. 11:6 is part of the dietary laws for the Jews–they’re being told not to eat rabbits. The chewing cud part is mentioned in order to make a distinction from the proceeding verses. What’s your point?
Tell me what you think of Leviticus 18:22
[...] This is just further proof that you can’t take literally what comes out of Bush’s mouth. [...]
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmtwo threads for the price of one
Or two trainwrecks for the price of one. But that’s just me being
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:10 pmhatefulsnarky.#145
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:13 pmDon’t spin what I said. My point to Clif and now you is, that you guys don’t claim to be Christians, yet you’re the first ones to tell someone they’re not following Christ’s example. You only know enough about the subject to throw it in someones face when it conveniences you. You really don’t see that you look like idiots when you do that. It’s like trying to carry on a conversation about nuclear physics when you know nothing about it, or trying to tell the president how to do his job, when all you know is the Democratic talking points and the media propaganda…
the God of the Old Testament covered in blood and wrath could be the same gentle Jesus they so love to conjure for themselves. Yet, it is so. The Jews understood Him perfectly.
WTF? Jews for Jesus?
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:15 pm#149
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:16 pmIt sounds like you’re about ready to launch into some conspiracy theory…I would expect nothing less from a good liberal.
Antagonist – you just cracked me up with “trying to tell the president how to do his job”.
Hell, my dog can do a better job then Bush at running this country.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:18 pm#153 You keep making alot of assumptions about the people here, and you also show a lack of the love that jesus talked about, every comment is responded to and most time rather unkind, where is the turn the other cheek from the sermon on the mount?
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:21 pmwhere is the turn the other cheek from the sermon on the mount?
Comment by Clif
That is reserved for brothers in Christ and others who won’t cut your head off when you are turning. Most of you people here don’t qualify.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:26 pm#155
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:35 pmUnlike the “real” theories like “the liberal mainstream media” “it’s all Clinton’s fault” “weapons of mass destruction” “Bush is a great leader” etc…etc…etc.
On point. Anything and everything Bush and the neocons say is a lie. Wmd’s were provided by Cheney and Rummy to Sadam years before and used up. Not there, nope, nada. 9/11 was not in any way caused by Sadam. Never.Bushes buddy OSB and the saudis were largly responsible. Clear skies, Ha! give a free ticket to polluters, No child left behind, All children ignored, all programs cut. Tax cuts, for large corporations and rich only. Medacare, medicade bill, subsadize Pharmacuticles and HMO’s over 68 billion dollars, bury the sick and elderly in massive non working paper work. We the people have not heard a truth since Bush was installed. All this regime has done has been a giant sales pitch of lies while they loot the country of our wealth, power and control. Dismanteling the constitution and forming a dictatorship or owner ship society controled by 2% and large corporations. He and his bunch use the radical christian right, with their suposed ban on abortion crap. But all the while they promote retractive birth control with their war’s and the death penalty. Bush himself benefited years ago with the abortion act. Bush and co. use fear and relegion, just like radical preachers do to keep the so called faithful in line. Fear based and relegious lies to deny gays and diffrent races civil rights. Next for those who want to drag all of us into a debate about the bible I say, it is a book written by men, nothing more or less than any other book. In the time of this world many teachers have written many things, entire societies have been distroyed by one relegion or another. Keep your faith if you must in what ever way it may be and honor every one elses as well, but to condemn, bring war against or demand others to believe the same as you based on any book is ancient thinking. Get real. ” We did then what we knew how to do, now we know better, we can do better.” Mia Angelo wrote that I think. When will we do better.?…..Impeach now.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:40 pmThe bible talks about Adam and Eves sons leaving and going to a city to take wives. OK….. If God created Adam, and then Eve how did this other city get created? Where did their sons take wives from? How can their son’s take wives when there is only Adam and Eve?
Comment by RemoveBush
I of course wasn’t there but I can offer a solution that I’ve heard. Adam lived almost 1000 years as did his children. I forget how old he was when the Bible says he died. In that time he had many children and they had children. Maybe you can do the math if given that a generation is 20 years and every woman had at least 3 children. In any case after a hundred years or five there would of course be cities or towns wouldn’t there? Don’t ax me about incest because there was no Law against marrying your brother in those days thus no incest.
So, the bible is a good source to show how life might be lived and show how things might have been, but they are not true and absolute.
Now who doesnt have “what’s down in black and white�
I’m a lousy Christian but I’ve been fairly well trained in a few biblical disciplines. You’re not going to be able to catch me up with the usual fundy-atheist programs. As for being true and absolute, that depends upon what you’re talking about.
I believe every word of the Bible as I believe it was divinely inspired. I would never say it is not true and absolute I would only say there are parts I do not understand. There are parts no one understands today but may understand tomorrow. I believe in progressive revelation. I believe God gives a man everything he needs to understand what is critical for HIM to understand. Understand?
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:43 pmImpeach now.
Comment by Sharon Cox —
Sharon, would you PLEASE use paragraphs?
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:44 pm#157
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:44 pmYou had no respect for Christians before you interacted with me. It wouldn’t matter what I say or how I said it, you as well as many other regulars here have nothing positive to say about conservatives or Christians. Where do you guys get the idea that if someone is a Christian, they’re supposed to be a wimp and take all your crap. What made Jesus unpopular was that He said things the way they were. He called the religious rulers of His day a generation of vipers, white washed tombs,and hypocrits. He confronted them with their sin. Did you also forget this same Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple with a whip?
#158 IRI well at leat you don’t pretend to know the bible like the other trolls here
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:46 pm#156
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:48 pmMaybe your dog could if you would let him up and quit screwing him. Are you teaching him to be Democrat?
#165 – Actually, I have to drag him off your mother every night I come home, and after fighting with your mother about taking my dog back I am to tired to molest my dog.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:55 pm#161
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:56 pmThat sounds like a pretty good explanation to me.
#163
I can say I respect any man including Jesus that stands up for what is right. I personally do not think that Christians are wimps. Never have and never will. I mean Jesus taught many good things and led by example. He thougt that those people in power were abusing that power and using it to keep the poor poor and live in luxury and thumb their noses at the lower classes but still tell them what they should believe because they said it was true. Very good man. I just get the feeling that you would hate him if he was here now. I mean how do you really believe he would think what is happening in our world now and of the people responsible for unjust war profiteering and hurting the poor and sick? He would probably get flamed from the Right….but that’s just my opinion.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmWhat really bugs me as of late with people on the right is that they fail to grasp that just because they can “win” elections, that makes them both right and/or moral. It doesn’t make you either. It all seems to come down to “YEA!!! GO TEAM!!!” It doesn’t mean you’ve necessarily won the war of ideas. How can Bush apologists continue to hear and read what Bush has said on one occasion, then when it comes to holding him to his word, it means nothing.
President Bush, 1/11/06:
[W]hen an American President says something, he better mean it….in order to be able to have credibility in this world, when we speak, we better mean what we say.
How can it be any plainer that he is, first and foremost, a self-interested politician who will say or do anything to get elected or avoid taking real responsibility when things don’t go as planned? How is he any different than the vast majority of politicians? Because he says he’s a christian?
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmPlease! Useful tool comes to mind when I see the illogical gymnastics and justifications that sprout the righties. Mostly though it just seems like they come hear to throw firebombs and never really think the Orwellion speak though.
#163 another assumption about me, I doubt Christ would approve the way you have responded here today. Jesus was defending the downtrodden jewish against the temple leadership and the roman rulers, his harshest words were reserved for the leadership of the Jewish society, which if you can’t understand is what we do here, I know you will totally disagree, but I have a funny feeling if the christ walked the earth today he wouldn’t be allying with Swagart, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Bush, Cheney, Reed, but the poor and downtrodden.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:01 pmI of course wasn’t there but I can offer a solution that I’ve heard. Adam lived almost 1000 years as did his children.
hahahahahaha… Did you flunk science in high school? A human living 1,000 years is not conceivable. Especially before modern medical technology and clean running water.
Damn, you are so gullible!
In any case after a hundred years or five there would of course be cities or towns wouldn’t there? Don’t ax me about incest because there was no Law against marrying your brother in those days thus no incest.
Genetically incest does not contribute to a more fit species. Recessive genes tend to become more pronounced and you wind up with situations like the British monarchy saw where hemophelia was rampant and threatened the survival of the heritage. So, unfortunately, IRI, Science demostrates that incest would have eliminated the species by now. So this also is bunk.
I believe every word of the Bible as I believe it was divinely inspired.
You believe in dragons, talking donkeys. killing spoiled brats, hating yourself, and virgin pregnancies? Erase gullible. Make that flat our stupid. It’s ridiculous.
I would never say it is not true and absolute I would only say there are parts I do not understand. There are parts no one understands today but may understand tomorrow. I believe in progressive revelation. I believe God gives a man everything he needs to understand what is critical for HIM to understand. Understand?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Yeah, you’re an idiot.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pmbut I have a funny feeling if the christ walked the earth today he wouldn’t be allying with Swagart, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Bush, Cheney, Reed, but the poor and downtrodden.
Comment by Clif
I don’t know if you noticed or not but our Lord did not hang with the poor and downtrodden. That was one of the things the Jews hypocritically used against Him.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:09 pmYeah, you’re an idiot.
Comment by unbelievable
But I’m lovable though, right?
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:10 pmBut I’m lovable though, right?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
I gave you ‘funny’. And that’s all…
You really should go read the whole Bible. It’s funny too :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:14 pmYou believe in dragons, talking donkeys. killing spoiled brats, hating yourself, and virgin pregnancies? Erase gullible. Make that flat our stupid. It’s ridiculous.
Comment by unbelievable
Is there a dragon in there someplace? I like that talking donkey. It was the last time a Donk had anything of value to say. Virgin pregnancies. What’s the matter? Didn’t you tell you mother that you had no idea how it happened? I think you did, bad girl. I believe in miracles girlfriend, that’s a fact.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:15 pmHere’s a joke for you:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be lightâ€; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.†7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appearâ€; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earthâ€; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earthâ€; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17
See how funny that is. Surely a god capable of creating an entire universe from scratch would have a firm grasp of seventh grade science.
All the light we have comes from the sun, which your guy didn’t make until a couple days after he’d made day and night. That’s assinine, and no creator of this universe would have had his book make such assinine claims.
He also would have corrcetly divined the reality that plants cannot come before the sun either.
And anyone who knows anything about our atmosphere understands that the sun has to exist first for the atmosphere to gather warmth to lock in for survival of life. (outer space is dreadfully cold otherwise).
And there’s more, but it wasn’t my intent to write a novel here…
Seriously, just the first few paragraphs is appallingly erroneous to a mere high school science teacher. How can I take anymore of it or a religion that follows it seriously? (Hint: I cannot).
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pm#171 unbelievable,
I heard of an explanation once for something that seems to make a lot of sense. In writing what we know as “The Bible”, the hebrew word for “months” was mistranslated as “years”. If you divide all the ages of those extremely old men by 12, you get an age for these characters that is a lot less incredible, even if you take into account that life expectancy was lower then. So 1000 “years” old would become more like 83 years old. This makes a lot more sense than believing that anyone lived as long as some of those people supposedly did.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmAnother glaring problem, was Adam made before or after animals?
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pmIs there a dragon in there someplace?
Uh, you might wanna know that before you swear allegience to it, I would think… Because what if it says that you have to abstain from pre-marital sex? What then? (Yup, dragons, talking ‘asses’ and no sex unless you are married – just for starters. You wanna know more? Cause I have read it. Most Atheists have).
I like that talking donkey. It was the last time a Donk had anything of value to say.
See, that was funny. Not lovable though…
Virgin pregnancies. What’s the matter? Didn’t you tell you mother that you had no idea how it happened?
I’ve never been pregnant. My mother thought sex education was a responsible and good idea. She was awfully progressive for a conservative Catholic.
I believe in miracles girlfriend, that’s a fact.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
I believe in science girlfriend, that’s a fact.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:30 pmHint there are two seperate stories of creation in the begining of gensis
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:30 pmWayne,
Kinda like how the word ‘murder’ instead of ‘kill’ was intended in the 10 Commandments.
I think the average age for men living in the Middle East back then was 35 – 40. Even 83 would be a stretch. :) But it certainly is more plausible than 1000 years, which IRI believes literally…
Thanks for the Hebrew lesson :).
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:34 pm7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
That’s one of my favorites, because it contend that life begins with breath and not conception…
18 And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.â€
One of my least favorites. Any woman who chooses a religion that calls her a ‘helper’ is self-degrading.
[Revelation 7:1] “And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.”
See, IRI, how funny the Bible is? Flat earth stuff…
[Isaiah 34:7] “And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.”
And unicorns
Psalms 91:13] “Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.”
There’s one dragon reference.
[Matthew 27:52-53] “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Night of the Living Dead, for real…
[Zachariah 5:1-2] “Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.”
Talking bread (or scrolls) is pretty hilarious also, dontcha think?
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhat “is” isn’t. In responding to the antagonist you people have let he/she control the whole thread. One thing I’ve learned about pathological liars & thieves (met many) once you’ve found them out, that every thing they say is just the opposite. Don’t recall if it was the 05′ sotu address or which truth telling speech of w.alker Texas Ranger it was but I recall the mental midget saying there would be a medical facility in every county in America. Guessing they would free clinics. So many storied truths I can’t keep up. The gop is not embarassed about anything just finally gagging on their own tripe & sucking up for the elections. Americans our delusional as the extreme right if you think your going to change anything in elections. Our gov. & congress has morphed into the worst ever. Been going this direction for 40 yrs. The brainiacs &
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:52 pmwatch groups neither slowed it down or changed a thing. Sure on specfic projects as protests have but they are usually about one topic. The general consort needs to be about the total congress/gov. now. Not hard to figure out why the dems seem to toe the line. Thats because they are. Just admit it so we can move on & forget trying to change the extreme right it will never happen. There comes a time when debate is no longer useful. The open minded, logical, common sensed, progressive thinkers are the third party. We,the people are the third party. Get it?! Peace
(R) Thank you for the correction. I will work on that and my spelling.
Now for every one’s latest new’s break, C-Span and the Bush lackies are seeking war on Iran as I type.
Draft any one.?…May I add I hope your God will help us all from this madman. I will lite a candle on this Imbolc and request the Goddess be kind and look after all people ever where…..Blessings
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:56 pmbelieve in science girlfriend, that’s a fact.
Comment by unbelievable
Even when so many “scientists” aren’t. Even when those who are lie to make a buck? So you believe in science? When it comes right down to it scientists don’t know that much. But that’s fine with me as long as they keep coming up with all those cool weapons of mass destruction that we’ll need one of these days.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmhahahahahaha… Did you flunk science in high school? A human living 1,000 years is not conceivable. Especially before modern medical technology and clean running water.
Comment by unbelievable
You’re not keeping up with science. I thought you believed in science? “Scientists” have recently been coming up with theories of how we could live a thousand years, look it up. But the fact is, if there is a God He can make happen anything He sees fit. You don’t have much of an imagination do you? You must be kind of boring to be around.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pmNow for every one’s latest new’s break, C-Span and the Bush lackies are seeking war on Iran as I type.
Draft any one.?…May I add I hope your God will help us all from this madman. I will lite a candle on this Imbolc and request the Goddess be kind and look after all people ever where…..Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
You need to pay closer attention Sharon. It’s not just Bush. It’s all of Europe as well. It seems the Axis of Weasels are starting to get the picture. In a way it’s a shame. They are going to want to help and end up mucking things up like they did in the Gulf War.
In any case…try and keep up will you? Thanks.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:09 pmThe open minded, logical, common sensed, progressive thinkers are the third party. We,the people are the third party. Get it?! Peace
Comment by “Collective Idiots on the Hill”
I don’t think much of the Republicans or the Democrats and I find the Libertarians to be a joke. But to think that the progressive party of the Filthy Left would be anything but a nightmare just shows that you’re too young and too stupid to be allowed to vote.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:12 pmEven when so many “scientists†aren’t.
What are you yammering about? Is this some Limbaugh manufactured spin?
Even when those who are lie to make a buck?
If you understand nothing else I ever say, understand this:
I think for myself. I look at the evidence and decide. Idon’t take what someone else has decided and adopt it as my believe. I form my own opinions firast, and then I seek those who share that view for additional resources. This is not the same as what you do where you go out shopping for your opinion and you read a bunch of different viewpoints and then take one. I start without bias, not with it. Do you see how that starts us both out of different paths to begin with? And why they are unlikely to converge?
So you believe in science?
“believe”, not really… but I was just playing off the words you used to make my point. I experience Science, in the reality of the universe we live in. I don’t need to believe in it. It just is and I accept it. No blind faith required.
When it comes right down to it scientists don’t know that much.
Not at all true. You just have to be wise enough to put it all together to get the big picture. We know a lot. A whole lot. And each day we add to that base of knowledge. It’s pretty incredible really, what we do know.
Because it was science and not flying rolls that took us tothe moon. Science, not miracles cured polio. Science, not talking asses, allow us to communicate over a telephone wire. Science, not unicorns, is responsible for a million things you use in your life. To me it’s a no brainer. Science is logical, provable and flexible. Religion is not.
But that’s fine with me as long as they keep coming up with all those cool weapons of mass destruction that we’ll need one of these days.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
I have little doubt that man will annihilate humanity long before the Ice Age does. And again, it’s the science of Psychology that identifies that reality.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:14 pmBut the fact is, if there is a God He can make happen anything He sees fit. You don’t have much of an imagination do you? You must be kind of boring to be around.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
No, your deity in NOT a fact. If it were, you could prove it. You can’t. There is proof of evolution. Do you want me to ask you about the appendix again?
Actually, I am highly creative. Went to college initially on an art scholarship and got a degree in art. Then came architecture and then science. So actually, I’m both creative and logical. Face it, I defy your stero-types. It’s why I intrigue you. And you clearly don’t find me boring to keep responding to my posts to you.
But being creative is not the same as delusional or irrational, and that is what someone who believes in gods is. Because gods make no sense. There’s no sign of ‘intelligence’ in our system. Just billions and billions of years. I know you want to live forever and that fear of death is making you buy into non-sense. I know, I used to live that way. And I know that I would rather have a limited life of freedom and knowledge and peace than forever of obedience and ignorance and fear.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:22 pmThank you for your concern (R). I keep up just fine, that I can’t spell or write well does not mean I do not read and listen. I also don’t tell every one all my thoughts, especialy not here.
There is and always has been evil, to help promote it along with greed and domination still doesn’t make it right no matter faith or lack there of.. My goal is to Impeach the present war lord in our own country.
Perhaps if we would have tolerance of other countries a lot of this would not be happening. No one likes a bully.I for one would not tolerate someone coming on my property telling me how to live…….Blessings
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmI don’t think much of the Republicans
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 5:12 pm
What, they’re not fascist enough for you?
Would love to debate that, but I gotta run for now…
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmI think that anyone who uses the phrase “If there is a God” is, by definition, an agnostic, and not a Christian. I was under the impression that Christians had no doubt in their minds about the existence of God. Atheists like me have no doubt that there is no God. But to all you believers out there, don’t worry about my soul. I don’t.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:26 pm18 And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.â€
One of my least favorites. Any woman who chooses a religion that calls her a ‘helper’ is self-degrading.
Comment by unbelievable
You know you’re not helping me overcome my bias against stupid women. Please note the KJV
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Please note that “helper” isn’t in there and the literal translation of “help meet”
Help: ay’-zer
From H5826; aid: – help.
Meet: neh’-ghed
From H5046; a front, that is, part opposite; specifically a counterpart, or mate; usually (adverbially, especially with preposition) over against or before: – about, (over) against, X aloof, X far (off), X from, over, presence, X other side, sight, X to view.
Then notice what Adam says when he first lays eyes on her.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
It’s love at first sight, he calls her part of himself and immediately proposes that they become ONE.
Sugar, you are misinformed, misguided, jaded and inexplicably bound up in a hatred for One who loves you more than you love yourself…and baby, that’s saying a lot.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:27 pmdon’t worry about my soul. I don’t.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Well then…there you are.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:30 pmDimwit, who said progressive party. As of what I think, once you label yourself you’ve limited yourself. Now you can’t change someone else’s limiting/labeling…… but in your matter it seems to have worked.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:30 pmGreat posts Unbelievable……..Blessings
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:34 pmhere’s a real joke, kinda stupid, but some comic relief, much needed here:
A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, “What are all those clocks?”
St. Peter answered, “Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.”
“Oh.” said the man, “Whose clock is that?”
“That’s Mother Teresa’s,” replied St. Peter. “The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.”
“Incredible,” said the man. “And whose clock is that one?”
St. Peter responded, “That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life.”
“Where’s Bush’s clock?” asked the man.
“Bush’s clock is in God’s office. He’s using it as a ceiling fan.”
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:34 pmPerhaps if we would have tolerance of other countries a lot of this would not be happening. No one likes a bully.I for one would not tolerate someone coming on my property telling me how to live…….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
In that case you’ll be wanting to buy some war bonds to help pay for the US/Iran war. They are fanatical bullies and fully intend to come over here and chop off your head unless you pray to their god five times a day and wear a bag over your head.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:37 pmBush’s clock is in God’s office. He’s using it as a ceiling fan.â€
Comment by katy
That’s funny. Ho ho.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:38 pmBush is a lying sack of shit and anybody who supports him is a moron.
That means you antagonistic. You’re an idiot.
February 2nd, 2006 at 5:54 pmLiterally, you can pick almost any speech made by the illiterate one to find another, “not literally,” statement.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pmThe BETTER WAY, is to focus on SERVICE. It’s about measuring what WE do in terms of REAL RESULTS for REAL PEOPLE. It’s not about partisanship or political spin. It’s about protecting the RIGHTS endowed by our CREATOR; fulfilling the principle of EQUALITY set out in our Declaration of Independence; ensuring that the LIGHT OF LIBERTY shines on every AMERICAN.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:43 pmTIM KAINE 01-31-06
It’s love at first sight, he calls her part of himself and immediately proposes that they become ONE.
Sugar, you are misinformed, misguided, jaded and inexplicably bound up in a hatred for One who loves you more than you love yourself…and baby, that’s saying a lot.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Like I’m supposed to buy anything coming from a guy who believes in Cinderella fairytale, happily-ever-after over reality? Nice try, really. But I’m not convinced.
No, not jaded – realistic. And yes, I have healthy self-esteem. Try it sometime.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmI have just one question for everyone here,how can anyone and i mean anyone believe anything a person says that continues reading “My Pet Goat” to kindergartners while we are under attack?If you didn’t pickup on this idiots indifference or lack of competence at that time then you should all be fired.His lies should be the least of your worries.The man{and i use the term very loosely}is completely without morals,competence or a brain.This was conveyed to us by the people of Texas long before the moron took up residency in the Whitehouse.To bad nobody was listening.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmThey are fanatical bullies and fully intend to come over here and chop off your head unless you pray to their god five times a day and wear a bag over your head.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Now how do you know that? (Hint: you don’t. Because it’s not true. It’s just the fear talking. Fera of a country on the other side of the world having one WMD in ten years. Paranoid? A bit…)
You should ask your proctologist to recommend a therapist. You might be an ass, but you’re treating the wrong end.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmThanks Sharon. It’s been fun verbally smacking around IRI :) You do a great job of it yourself! :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:58 pmStrange, I outsource to some of them. They take orders from me. All they want to do to me, is do a good job building my website so I will pay them.
Bucks, not bombs, baby!
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmOh and Busco and his band of hateful evangelicals{Pat Robertson in particular}aren’t fanatical bullies?Get your head screwed on straight i-r-i,i think your talking out of your ass.Unless you make a quarter of a million a year your not even in there league and i’m guessing your a greeter at Wal-Mart with that cheery attitude of yours and i’m quite sure your not making that kind of money kissing every tom,dick and harry’s ass that comes through the door.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:09 pmI was under the impression that Christians had no doubt in their minds about the existence of God. Atheists like me have no doubt that there is no God. But to all you believers out there, don’t worry about my soul. I don’t.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — February 2, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Wayne, I am more certain as an Atheist that there is no god than I ever was, as a Christian, convinced that there was a god. I always doubted, but didn’t understand why.
I’m sure that some people, when finding out you are an Atheist will reveal that they question the existence of a god… it happens to me more than IRI would like to believe. And he knows why, but just refuses to give into the logic and reality.
But, he wouldn’t be here so much if he weren’t certain. Just like neither of us hangs out in, oh, church…
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:10 pmBut, he wouldn’t be here so much if he were certain.
my typing abilities are pretty bad… apologies.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmHey “Unbelievable” i welcome you to reality.I think there’s going to be a lot like you coming down the pike in 2006.I never really believed that these guys in the Whitehouse were real conservatives,because a real conservative would never even dream of combining religion and politics and i think the real ones in the senate and congress are just starting to wake up.I harbor no ill feelings towards these types,i just disagree with a lot of their social policies and this is healthy democracy.On the other hand Bush is just a divider and a hater of the way things should be.As for religion,well i just never believed any of that crap because i had way cool parents that never shoved that shit down my throat and tried to make me afraid of my own shadow which is obviously the case with a lot of these religous whackjobs here,but i won’t mention any names,cause they know who they are.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:24 pmThank you Judd,
AMERICA WAKE UP
Bush’s Great American Dream
Is our Mihgtmare.
AMERICA WAKE UP
The devil is in the details.
Examine it, study it.
So as you know it and can destroy it.
AMERICA WAKE UP
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pmHey unbelievable,
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:37 pmYou think the Bible is a fairy tale, but you don’t realize how muchh of what you believe is. Example:
If a frog turns into a prince–it’s a fairy tale
If a frog turns into a prince because of a majic ingredient called “millions of years” then it’s called science. Science actually proves creation, but not when you deliberately leave God out of the equation.
I-R-I, Have you noticed that those who discover the mind-boggling design of DNA think they are so brilliant – and accept the kudos of those around them. But the One, I believe to be brilliant is the Designer.
FYI, Mr. Aprodite says he thinks you have a real chance with unbelievable. He says, “I married a liberal – and look – she’s a card-carrying Aphrodite.” He said you should be so lucky – wink,wink…
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:41 pmHey unbelievable,
You think the Bible is a fairy tale, but you don’t realize how muchh of what you believe is. Example:
If a frog turns into a prince–it’s a fairy tale
If a frog turns into a prince because of a majic ingredient called “millions of years†then it’s called science. Science actually proves creation, but not when you deliberately leave God out of the equation.
Comment by Antagonist — February 2, 2006 @ 7:37 pm
Are you retarded? Because I don’t want to pick on those naturally mentally deficient. If not, read on…
A frog doesn’t become a prince, nimrod. A single celled organism evolves over billons and billons of years into a diversity of life. Amd before you make an even bigger ass of yourself, consider that you evolved from a single cell (your mother’s egg) into a “prince” over the course of just 18 measly little years… The proof of human evolution is achieved in the 9 month cycle from single cell to human fetus.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmAMERICA WAKE UP
That picture may have Bush’s face
But it could be Hillary’s face instead.
AMERICA WAKE UP
Our Bill of Rights are dissolving
Right beneath our noses, yet so blind
We stand at the precipice of our Inferno
AMERICA WAKE UP
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmHey antagonist that had to be about the stupidest paralell i’ve ever heard,you got anymore gems like that?Oh and by the way if the bible isn’t a fairy tale then why did the god of wrath in the old testament become a loving caring god in the new testament?Because the old testament drove people away,so they decided to make god a nice guy in the new testament so they could brainwash morons like you and make you feel good about being manipulated throughout your entire miserable existence.There.Get it now.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:46 pmMATTHEW,
I’m doing my part to convert my relatives…
As Ulysses S. Grant, Republican, said – Keep church and state forever seperate….
You’re fortunate to have had a religion free youth. Where’d you grow up?
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:49 pmGood old “godforsaken” Detroit my brother,and i love the place to death.I know sounds crazy doesn’t it,but the place is filled with people that are really people and not facsimiles thereof and are not afraid to speak their piece.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmmighty aphrodite,
God is a Maker, not a designer. A designer is somebody that decides where and what to do with things that others have made. If you are calling God a designer, you are not giving him credit for Making the universe.
The only people who call God a “designer” are people trying to push “intelligent design.” You aren’t one of those kooks are you? Even the Vatican has come out and said that it is a fairy tale.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:54 pm#220 Comment by unbelievable
Irony, NO???
Governed and Legislated; The separation of Church and State.
Ignorance and illiteracy to our own language.
The word AND
AMERICA WAKE UP
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmFYI, Mr. Aprodite says he thinks you have a real chance with unbelievable. He says, “I married a liberal – and look – she’s a card-carrying Aphrodite.†He said you should be so lucky – wink,wink…
Comment by mighty aphrodite
He’s a better man than me. I could screw up an iron ball in a sandbox with a rubber mallet.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmComment by MATTHEW
GO SEAHAWKS
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:56 pmYou can say that again.
February 2nd, 2006 at 7:57 pmI-R-I, Have you noticed that those who discover the mind-boggling design of DNA think they are so brilliant – and accept the kudos of those around them. But the One, I believe to be brilliant is the Designer.
Then perhaps you can explain the intelligence behind the human appendix for him. He refuses to answer me on that one.
FYI, Mr. Aprodite says he thinks you have a real chance with unbelievable. He says, “I married a liberal – and look – she’s a card-carrying Aphrodite.†He said you should be so lucky – wink,wink…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 2, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
You talk about us to your husband? You really need to get some friends Magda…
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:00 pmMatthew,
Well, you do have Michael Moore to demostrate that!
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:01 pmMax,
I guess some Lincoln quotes would add to the irony as well, eh?
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 pmLike I’m supposed to buy anything coming from a guy who believes in Cinderella fairytale, happily-ever-after over reality? Nice try, really. But I’m not convinced.
Comment by unbelievable
All I did was show you the scripture and a way you can check for yourself to see what the words mean. What you do with it is your business. I already told you that it’s not my business to convince you or anyone. God does that if that’s His plan for you. I just put the cookies on the lower shelf in case that is His plan. No harm, no foul.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:05 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Are you sure you’re reading from the same religious book? Isn’t that the same book that says donkeys can talk, the earth is flat, that whole stars can fall onto the surface of the earth, that the sun rotates around the earth, and that daughters can be sold as slaves to other adults?
Poor thing, you religious types believe the darndest and silliest things. I forgive you for still believing in fairy tales – not everyone is ready to grow up at adulthood you know.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:05 pm“FYI, Mr. Aprodite says he thinks you have a real chance with unbelievable. He says, “I married a liberal – and look – she’s a card-carrying Aphrodite.†He said you should be so lucky – wink,wink…
Comment by mighty aphrodite “
You know most women can think for themselves, and don’t need to adopt their husband’s politican viewpoints in order to have a happy marriage – look at Arnold and his lovely bride. Too bad you have so little thoughts or opinions of your own, it could explain the partisan brain susceptibility.
I forgive you for your weakness and insecurities that would make you so gullible sweetie. Not everyone has the strength to think for themselves, or act as a mature adult ought to. It’s OK pumpkin, clearly you were more in need of a father than a husband, and that’s probably of no fault of your own sweetie.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:08 pm“You talk about us to your husband? You really need to get some friends Magda…
Comment by unbelievable — February 2, 2006 @ 8:00 pm”
Didn’t she claim the other day that she ‘lectures’ her friends for their political opinions? It could explain why she always seems so angry and lonely. What kind of wife and did she say ‘workin’ mother of several children have the time to waste here as she clearly does? Poor thing, I still think she’s retired and just pretends to be young – she sounds kind of old and grumpy when she posts. I feel really sorry for the old gal.
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:10 pmThank you again for your comment (R) but it is not needed and I didn’t ask for it. I don’t buy into the fear or war, nor will I buy bonds to support it.
With Bushe’s track record, 9/11 on vacation and reading the pet goat. Making sure the sky’s above the trade centers were clear and ignoring all reports of impending attack, then waiting for 4 day’s to respond to the Katrina disaster, vacation again. I think I will buy more bullets instead. Since I live in a blue state were probably a target anyway….
To think that a war creator and bully is going to protect us is stupid. ……Blessings
February 2nd, 2006 at 8:12 pmAll I did was show you the scripture and a way you can check for yourself to see what the words mean.
Okay, but we previuosly established that the Bible holds zero credibility for me for a myriad of reasons. So no matter how you interpret it, I still find it terribly demeaning to women.
There’s a history teacher at our school who is amazing. I frequently go to his class to hear him lecture. He jokes that I’m the only student who wants to be there.
Anyway, he was discussing Christianity, Judaism and Islam last week. He always prefaces his lectures with some background information to set up context. And he explained to his class that the area from which Judaism, Christianity and Islam sprung was an arid, desert region where nomadic, male-dominated waring clans shared their folklore in poetic verbal histories and fought over water.
If you think about the people who created Christianity, it’s possible to understand why they under valued women. They were a hierarchical, patriarchal people. Women were not to be covetted along with asses, oxen and houses.
What you do with it is your business. I already told you that it’s not my business to convince you or anyone.
I didn’t take it as you trying to convert me. It’s what we do here – debate. I don’t take it personally. I think each of us has the right to believe what we believe or don’t believe.
God does that if that’s His plan for you. I just put the cookies on the lower shelf in case that is His plan. No harm, no foul.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 2, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
That’s fine. But understand, in my reality, the only one with a plan over my life is me. And it’s not in my plan to give up utter freedom, awareness and peace for capitulation, ignorance and fear. I’m like the caged bird who freed itself, never to return.
I know you won’t change your mind as much as I won’t change mine, but I think it’s fun to challenge ourselves and our beliefs. That’s why I thought most of us were here – we like to ‘argue’.
If you piss me off for real, I’ll stop talking to you. It’s that Italian side of me :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmDidn’t she claim the other day that she ‘lectures’ her friends for their political opinions? It could explain why she always seems so angry and lonely. What kind of wife and did she say ‘workin’ mother of several children have the time to waste here as she clearly does? Poor thing, I still think she’s retired and just pretends to be young – she sounds kind of old and grumpy when she posts. I feel really sorry for the old gal.
Comment by RightPunch — February 2, 2006 @ 8:10 pm
Yeah, I don’t many people who want to be around holier-than-thou types any more than two minutes, much less form friendships with them. And for her attorney careeer and four child household she is in here a lot.
Not that I don’t like most of you, it’s just that most of us don’t even know one another’s real first names. We’re cyber people – not unreal, but not quite real either. I wouldn’t even know how to begin a conversation with someone in my tangible realm about the people in my cyber realm without sounding like a complete Star Trek geek :)
No way she was ever liberal. And if she gave it up for a conservative man, I’m surprised he’s still around. Most of them are about the chase only. They want the things they cannot have. It’s about proving to themselves that they can obtain the unobtainable.
But any woman who would sacrifice her identify for a man isn’t playing with a full deck of self-esteem to begin with.
Personally, I’m on the fence about marriage. For years I’ve been saying that if I get married when I’m 40, I can still be married for fourty years. But as 40 nears, I’m thinking maybe 50 – 30 is a better division :). I have been in love. But it never seems to be enough to promise a future that I know nothing about. My last relationship was pretty amazing. But we just wanted very different things out of life, and when I left San Francisco, nothing else mattered to him but the fact that I left. And it almost seemed like a movie I’d once seen instead of a life I once lived. I don’t know. I just think we humans put too much pressure on ourselves to be things that defy human nature. And then wind up disappointed when all that projections of perfection fall apart.
Anyone ever accuse you of thinking too much RightPunch? :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmPoor Rightie. You were bitch-slapped months ago regarding your extractions from scripture. It went something like this: “Satan can quote scripture better than all the saints”. You can spin the word, but you are only fooling yourself. Your disregard for any human passion or compassion has become comical.
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:32 pmI rated W’s SOTU speech as 4 barf-bags. Judging from his past record what he said is not consistant with his actions. I belive his actions.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:39 pmOh, I think I threw up a little hearing about MA’s threesome fantasy.
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:49 pmInteresting posts everyone > I guess this thread will expire soon?
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:36 am#228 Comment by unbelievable
I was thinkong more on the lines of this…
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:02 am
OMF
Judd
I’ve been HAXED AGAIN.
The picture that I posted of Heil Bush was a comentary of where we are headed if America does nothing. I, in no way endorse the concept of a Totalitarian Fasciast Regime in as much as I do not endorse censorship of mine own opinions. You have my E-Mail, as by requirement, and I await a reasoning to such censorship.
Thank you,
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:11 amMax-1
lol, if you want to assess every lie that has come out of the mouth of the most powerful man in the world (may God help us all) you could make the task a little more easy for yourself: just list everything he ever said. Bush speaking truthfully is like Cheney finnishing a marathon……alive.
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:05 amMax,
Agreed that we are heading down the same path as the Nazi’s took Germany. The parallels are alarming. I’ve posted several quotes of Hitler’s and several of Bush’s in one post demostrating the similar theocratic dictatorial mindset in both. Yet people seem to think that we are ’special’ that something like that could never happen to ‘Americans’ (kinda how the Christian hierarchical mindset of ‘people’ are better than ‘animals’ then begins to catagorize humans into echelons of importance as well…)
And, the comparisions of our administration to Soviet tyranny can also be made. As soon as this regime starts building a Wall along our borders to “keep evil influences out”, I’m leaving – if I can.
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:25 am#243
February 3rd, 2006 at 8:49 amYou really are whacked aren’t you. You’re a great example of why our kids are doing so badly in school. You’re just a dirty hippy, so full of your own virtues that it’s impossible for you to provide an education. About all you can give your captive audience you call students, is a liberal indoctrination. I hope we do build a wall around our borders of only to drive nuts like you out.
Antagonist, that’s basically what every failure in life says. Blames everyone else for his or her miserable existence. I’d stay try something original, but I know you aren’t capable.
February 3rd, 2006 at 9:24 amI’m a dirty hippy and both of my kids have college educations and have not been brainwashed by the religous community and are flourishing beyond my wildest dreams and are prepared to bring down the right wing asswipes ruining our democracy.What have you done to advance society “antagonist” besides run your mouth off?
February 3rd, 2006 at 9:32 amThe more i read your posts unbelievable the more likable you become,keep it up and don’t ever let up and fear nothing.But most of all never fear death,because thats what these far right types work off of is an individuals fear of his owm demise.Pretty cynical way to run a nation but it appears that is exactly what they are doing and thats what has i-r-i and antagonist are quaking in there boots over.But death is inevitable and can come without notice,this is precisley why you should live each day to its fullest and put these idiots out of your mind.They are in self-destruct mode but aren’t even aware of the fact yet.
February 3rd, 2006 at 9:59 am#243 unbelievable,
I, on the other hand, find your insights enlightening and enjoyable to read. Unlike some who come here, I am interested in learning and do not accept ideology as fact, the way some on the right do.
I can understand why and how religions got started. The age old question of “Why are we here?” is not easily satisfied by the answer, “Because. We just are.” People want to know, “What’s the purpose of being here?”, and they don’t seem to want to accept, “There is no reason. We’re just here.” I’m not sure where the idea of omnipotent, all-controlling deities first started, but whoever convinced his or her (probably his, since mankind has often been too misogynistic) fellow humans that deities were the cause of the weather and of every other thing not understood by man probably set our intellectual evolution back another 50,000 years. Whether one chooses to believe in a polytheistic religion or a monotheistic religion, they are still ascribing everything they can’t understand to some invisible, all powerful being (who can’t be bothered to show itself to everyone all at once, instead of just to some guy wandering around in a desert and probably more overcome by the heat than he would later be willing to admit), and refusing to accept that with science and empirical methods, we may one day understand that which remains unknown today.
Organized religions have done even more damage to our evolution. Especially the ones who insisted that if you didn’t believe as they did, then you must be put to death. (“It is God’s willâ€, they’ll say.) It was rather convenient for them that the only ones who could actually read “the holy words†were the same ones who told you what it said. So, basically, people were told that their religion demanded of them what the religious leaders said it did, even if it really didn’t. It was easier then to have a government dominated by religious ideology. It was also dangerous to be a free-thinking individual then. (Just ask Galileo.)
But what I cannot for the life of me understand is why, after science has proven that so many things organized religion has said were so were not, they still cling to the quaint idea that there is still a God controlling what happens on this one, insignificant planet among hundreds of billions of stars. We came from stardust, and we will go back to stardust. And in our place, another world will form and life will emerge there. And it will evolve and eventually its version of what we’ve become will look up at the sky and ask, “Why are we here?†I just hope they get it right for a change.
Just keep being you. :)
February 3rd, 2006 at 10:08 amMATTHEW,
Thanks. Took me a long time (all the hard way of course) to learn to just be myself. I grew up in a conservative Republican Catholic family (though my mother was pro-choice, a closeted feminist, and progressive in her acceptance of other people). And for many years I was the obedient little consumer prone to senseless fear. And at the point that I couldn’t stand that life anymore, I quit my job, sent my cat to my mom’s, and went backpacking across Europe. It was amazing. I had traveled before, but nothing that independent (though I went with a friend, he was as helpful as a five year old child). It changed my life. And as you said, teaches you that the fear is simply a tool of manipulation. I agree with JFK, there is little to fear but fear itself. And if you get one life, might as well not spend it hiding under the bed, huh?
Antagonist is like the needy kids in class. I don’t give him any weight. He clearly is unhappy and angry enough as it is. IRI, when in a good mood, can be fun. I don’t think he’s this fanatical in real life (after all his mother was a liberal).
I’ve enjoyed talking with you as well. Always nice to converse with other freethinkers! Do you still live in Detroit?
February 3rd, 2006 at 10:24 amUnlike some who come here, I am interested in learning and do not accept ideology as fact, the way some on the right do.
Couldn’t agree with you more. And this comes across in your posts. That you are reasonable and educated and don’t just take whatever opinion that you stumbled over first. That there’s thought in what you say. And I always enjoy hearing what you have to say. :)
But what I cannot for the life of me understand is why, after science has proven that so many things organized religion has said were so were not, they still cling to the quaint idea that there is still a God controlling what happens on this one, insignificant planet among hundreds of billions of stars.
Afriend of mine has a brilliant response. He says that god is their parachute. Indeed. Most people want to believe their is more than this. And so they find ways to see ‘miracles’ in rare events, the face of jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich, acceptance + love from magical beings, and as a result, purpose in their pointless lives. I believe that is true for most. Death is frightening (but sleep is not?), and the idea that this is all there is puts them on the spot to make the most of tehir lives. That’s where I am so far. I’m sure. like all theories it will evolve the longer I live :).
Just keep being you. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — February 3, 2006 @ 10:08 am
I’ll try :).
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:13 amunbelievable,
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:30 amJust because you cast off your roots and your religion, doesn’t mean everyone else should too. You can believe whatever you want, but you’re mistaken to think that you’re right and people who believe in God are wrong, don’t think for themselves and other such nonsense. You can find people like that in every group–even among your beloved liberals. I find it particularly annoying that you never cease to take a swipe at Christianity in your self-congratulatory stories of your liberal awakening. Is it possible for you to respect your students who are Christians? How about their Christian families? I know that you think they’re backwards, closed-minded idiots for believing in God. Can you treat these people fairly?
#246
Matthew,
I’m sure you’re very proud of your kids–and you should be. BUT you’re an idiot if you think families on the right don’t enjoy the same success, and don’t make contributions to the advancement of society.
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:37 amThey are bringing about a theocracy which is no better than a dictatorship and possibly worse antagonist,and as i’ve stated before i have nothing against a true conservative and in fact have supported some of them in the past.However,these people in our current administration are anything but true conservatives as witnessed by our blossoming federal deficit,wars that need’nt be fought,skyrocketing oil prices and a combining of politics and religion,a major no no in any true conservatives book.I don’t think you can defend or debate any of these points but i’m sure you will because you can’t stand to see the beginning of the end for this awful movement.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmYou can believe whatever you want, but you’re mistaken to think that you’re right and people who believe in God are wrong, don’t think for themselves and other such nonsense.
Comment by Antagonist — February 3, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Prove it then. I’m getting tired of asking.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmYes i do and am headed downtown very shortly to partake in the Superbowl festivities and other degenerate activities such as gambling,drinking and just having a hell of a good time with my beautiful wife.To bad your not close by or i’d hook up with you and by your drinks all night,hell i’d even take antagonist and i-r-i with us just to show them what living is all about my man.And by the way i-r-i and antagonist much humble apoligies for any name calling i may have engaged in,this is not my nature and am just a little rattled with the current world situation which you guys or i have very little control over.In the future i promise to refrain,but if you feel compelled to through a few insults my way so be it,i can let it slide.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI find it particularly annoying that you never cease to take a swipe at Christianity in your self-congratulatory stories of your liberal awakening.
Comment by Antagonist — February 3, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Then we’re even cause I find it particularly annoying how you take my opinions personally. They aren’t about you in specific. Grow up. It’s my right to think your kind are ignorant. And freedom of speech allows me to tell you so.
And, you’re out numbered – so if you want to be embraced and welcomed for the fairytale nonsense to which you subscribe, then go somewhere that believes what you believe. Because really, how smart are you to come here and expect otherwise?
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmIs it possible for you to respect your students who are Christians? How about their Christian families? I know that you think they’re backwards, closed-minded idiots for believing in God. Can you treat these people fairly?
Comment by Antagonist — February 3, 2006 @ 11:30 am
None of them call themselves Antagonist and get in my face trying to insult me or my beliefs. Respect isn’t about having the same values, it’s about not trying to force them on others. Something you obviously don’t understand.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmAnd by the way i-r-i and antagonist much humble apoligies for any name calling i may have engaged in,this is not my nature and am just a little rattled with the current world situation which you guys or i have very little control over.
Comment by MATTHEW — February 3, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
They wee the ones who voted for Bush… I think it’s fair to hold them accountable to a degree :)
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmBig Papa,
Cease fire :)
I don’t think it’s fatal when followed by the balance of my post, because in seeing him as incompetent, I’m not disarmed by his naivitee’. As a result, I do not want him in office anymore than I want Cheney, who is intentionally corrupt in office. The conclusion is the same. They are both dangerous and not to be trusted.
Comment by unbelievable #74
unbelievable,
I am deeply grieved that you perceived my response to you as one of hostility…
…it was not intended so…
hahahaha!!!
No, I’m sure you know a cunning demon when you see one…
…that Bushite “charm” factor is lethal ONLY to inbreds…
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmAnd yes antagonist i may very well be an idiot but only because i have acknowledged your rather hateful sounding comments.You really need to calm down and start thinking clearly about where this country is headed:one religion,one neatly packaged model of what you and i should think and say,no diversity,no dissent, do as i say not as i do,sounds fun and exciting doesn’t it.NOT!!!!I have nothing against folks that believe in god or religion.What does go against my grain is when they start shoving it{religion} down my throat via our elected leaders and their posse of do gooders and any other means they can find to get me to believe this stuff.It’s just wrong.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:48 pm#258
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:56 pmThanks for the civil tone..accept my apologies as well. If I was in Detroit, I’d take you up on your offer. For whatever it’s worth, my comments here are not an accurate representation of how I live my life either. Have a great time!
Don’t forget “…dead or alive!” He really didn’t mean that literally either. Or for that matter any time he mentioned Iraq and WMDs and Al Quaeda in the same breath. Not meant for literal interpretation. Just forget he said that stuff altogether
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmEXCELLENT,COMMON GROUND HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
February 3rd, 2006 at 1:04 pmWhen times are tough, women tend naturally to abort a higher percentage of male fetuses. Researchers call it culling, but they don’t know why it occurs.
This much is known: During times of social or economic stress, a woman’s liver tends produces more of a hormone called cortisol that proves so damaging to male fetuses they actually kick out in response to it.
Female fetuses, more vital on the whole, seem relatively unaffected by the cortisol.
One theory states that damage to male fetuses is a side effect of this hormonal stress response.
But in a new study, researchers provide evidence for the other theory, that the body is purposely culling the males by pumping out cortisol in an effort to get rid of a child-to-be that is less likely to survive the presumably difficult situation outside the womb.
The key to the research is this: Male embryos and fetuses are known to be weaker. So trying to bring a boy into this world under hardship would be disadvantageous, in terms of survival of the fittest, compared to having a girl.
http://www.livescience.com/ humanbiology/ 060124_male_fetus.html
February 3rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmBig Papa,
Was joking… I’m not easily riled (grew up with brothers :)
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:00 pm#264 unbelieveable
Now why would God do that? :)
Thanks for your kind words and sentiments above.
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:13 pm[...] This column was published a full 12 hours after the White House retreated from its energy promises, a move it made roughly 12 hours after the promise was made. [...]
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:19 pmThat little speach about oil addiction was brought to by “the people that are paid to distract you from the real issues”.I’ve known we’ve had a bad oil addiction ever since the first embargo back in 73.This is common knowledge.The only one that apparently didn’t know was Bush and hes running the most powerful nation on the planet.Scary.We have had thirty years to work on this problem but chose to ignore it and all of a sudden he wants to turn it into a big issue and then bail on it the very next day.Typical neocon bullshit.
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:29 pmOk folks,shuttle is here to ferry us off to Downtown Detroit.Much peace and respect to you all and particularly you unbelievable.I-R-I and antagonist i’ll drink a toast to you both even though we don’t see eye to eye,but much peace and respect to you also have a great weekend and stay safe.
February 3rd, 2006 at 2:38 pmNow why would God do that? :)
Thanks for your kind words and sentiments above.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — February 3, 2006 @ 2:13 pm
So many directions to run with that one…. :) Just thought it was interesting news that I ran across while planning their next assignment (I like to have them learn about real science in the news, and not make them memorize a bunch of words and defintions they will quickly forget).
Just calling it like I see it!
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pm#270 unbelievable,
Of course I was being silly (I’m an atheist; it’s what we do.)
How do you go about handling the more controversial topics? Do you explain what the hubbub is over Intelligent Design (which is neither), stem cell research, or other “hot button” topics, or do you try to stick to the less controversial stuff, like whether Xena and its moon Gabriella should be classified as planets or not?
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmI of course wasn’t there but I can offer a solution that I’ve heard. Adam lived almost 1000 years as did his children. I forget how old he was when the Bible says he died. In that time he had many children and they had children. Maybe you can do the math if given that a generation is 20 years and every woman had at least 3 children.
Someone is woefully ignorant about genetics…
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pm
You’re just a dirty hippy
WTF? Is Eirc Cartman trolling TP?
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmSomeone is woefully ignorant about genetics…
Comment by David
My guess is I know as much about it as you do.
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:11 pm#7. I admit it. My hatred for Bush is pure, deep and intense. I scream at the television when that despictable scum comes on. I wonder how this country will ever survive three more years. And you know it will be three more years, because Bush is never held accountable for anything ever. He is still a spoiled little brat that gets away with murder, literally.
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pmKeep guessing IRI.
“Don’t ax me about incest because there was no Law against marrying your brother in those days thus no incest.”
So you say there wasn’t incest because there was no law against it? That’s convienient! What other laws weren’t around at that time? Could you lie with impunity? Oh wait, that happens now – see Bush Administration Lies in google. So I guess we should have laws now that say you can’t lie. Oh wait, we do – “do you swear on this bible to tell the truth….”. Oh wait, that’s under oath. So you CAN lie with impunity today. That must be why Bush et al continue to lie.
Oh damn I just spent more time on IRI…
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmOh damn I just spent more time on IRI…
Comment by Bob Loblaw
And I’d spend more time on you if I had it but I gotta go. I’ll just say that God writes His laws on the hearts of men. That’s why you know when you’ve done wrong. Incest wasn’t incest at that time, it was survival of the species and God allowed it. Evidently the genetic problems we run into today were of none effect all those millennia ago. I’ve heard it suggested that our genes were so pure (whatever that means) that being inbred was not something that noticeably affected the physiology. I don’t know but it makes a little sense coupled with the ideas that those people lived on average hundreds of years.
The real problem I think for the humanist scientist is this theory flies in the face of evolution. If anything it goes to show that we are not evolving, we are devolving. I think the history of mankind bears that out. Just a thought. Have a great weekend.
February 3rd, 2006 at 6:14 pm#101 — Are you getting literal on me Bob? You know liberals aren’t supposed to believe in absolutes. — Antagonist
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Correction, Antagonist…most liberals that I know have no problem accepting the fact that there are indeed some absolutes in this world, such as the fact that it’s wrong to imprison a person when there is no evidence that said person committed or planned to commit any crime. However, where we differ from conservatives such as yourself is the fact that we refuse to accept the idea that everything must be absolute — a notion to which your own statement as quoted above appears to lend support! Your words seem to suggest that you believe it entirely impossible (or absolutely impossible, if you will) for a liberal to accept the idea of an absolute principle! Can you say, “hoist with your own petard”?
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pmSo, God “created” Heaven and Earth, the stars, Sun and Moon, land and seas, flora and fauna, etc., but could only make 2 humans? Sounds like a slacker to me. And not very far sighted either. He expected 2 people to populate the entire Earth? Kinda unrealistic. For an “all knowing” Being, He leaves something to be desired. Just a thought.
February 3rd, 2006 at 9:12 pmI’ll just say that God writes His laws on the hearts of men.
Until relatively recently, many societies believed that the heart was the center for intellect. It’s why the Egyptians were so careful in preserving it, while they scooped out the brain and tossed it away. In reality, Science has been able to derermine that the heart just pumps blood and has no rational or intellectual capacity at all. So if ‘morality’ is to be ‘written’ anywhere, it is in the brain, which, like a complex computer is the area in which people process ethical decisions.
That’s why you know when you’ve done wrong.
Actually, ethics is a product of social animals. In the process of evolution, the ability to survive as a species drastically improves if you unite with others of your kind to form packs, clans, etc. When we were smaller in stature, we were vegetarians, like other primates, who were prey. By forming societies, our ancestors were able to survive better. It’s why we wage wars with armies and not individuals. Strength in numbers.
So, in order to have this protection of numbers, an individual but be ethical. If you are a person who constantly steals other people’s food (not covetting your neighbors’ property), then you might find yourself out in teh wild, against savage preditors to fend for yourself.
As a result of this survival tool, ethics or morality is an innate characteristic possessed by all human beings (with sociopathic exceptions), and not only are people not raised with religion moral, but they actually tend to be more moral, because as we know, anything that is a choice of free will is more prolific than things that we are obligated to do. Sort of the forbidden fruit, if you will.
And, unlike religion, I know these things of my own accord, not because someone else told them to me. They are obvious and realistic and make a lot of sense when you are open to the world we live in rather than irrational fairytales.
Religion does not require you to grow up. It allows you to remain a permanent child, turning to it to find your road map for life. It’s fine if that’s the choice you make. But don’t subject those of us who want to grow up, and who have done so, to fabrications and expect us to believe them.
Incest wasn’t incest at that time, it was survival of the species and God allowed it.
So, just like he still allowsit now? Because youknow, incest still occurs. And as I have already pointed out, genetically, it’s not viable for a species to interbreed. Their offspring are weaker and as a result more suseptible to disease, preditors and the environment.
Plus, you’re forgetting the Flood, when the population was reduced down to 3 men and 3 women. And from what it said, it seems that Noah and his wife were past the age in which women can conceive. But even if we consider them viable, and you do the math, it turns out that 6 people in the approximate year of 2,000 b.c.e could not reproduce at a rate that would put 6.3 billion people on this planet today. I’ve searched the internet to see if anyone mathematically superior to me has worked it all out in detail, but was unable to find anything. So, in doing a quick and crude analysis of my own, I found that even by ignoring disease, miscarriage, murder, suicide, and similar variables, that we might have made it to two million by now, but no where near 6.3 billion. And teh 6.3 billion is very well proven. So the sheer volume of humans today is one of many aspects of proof that Noah’s Flood never happened. And if the flood didn’t occur, then the Bible is really just a book of parables meant to pass along lessons to people in a similar fashion to Greek and Roman mythology. It’s not a literal document.
Evidently the genetic problems we run into today were of none effect all those millennia ago. I’ve heard it suggested that our genes were so pure (whatever that means) that being inbred was not something that noticeably affected the physiology.
But what do you THINK? Not relying on prior rationalizations to explain something that does not make sense with a lot of twisting of reality?
Our genetic composition contains pseudogenes… genes that exist but do not work. This discredits ‘pureness’ of them in complex species. Pure in the original single celled organisms perhaps, but that was billions of years ago, long before humans were a possibility.
I don’t know but it makes a little sense coupled with the ideas that those people lived on average hundreds of years.
No, it makes zero sense, even if they lived a trillion years. And hasn’t Wayne already established that Hebrew was incorrectly translated? That years actually means months, which was how they tracked age?
The real problem I think for the humanist scientist is this theory flies in the face of evolution.
Au contraire… it flies in the face of reality, logic and common sense. It’s irrational and sounds like compete fiction to anyone who has grown up and is able to see the world we life in for what it is. A result of billions and billions of years. Nothing more.
If anything it goes to show that we are not evolving, we are devolving. I think the history of mankind bears that out.
If anything, we are not evolving. We as a species have removed ourselves from nature, and therefore are not evolving along with the changes in the planet (which is the cause and reason for evolution to begin with).
An example of human evolution in this regard would be how the Europeans evolved an immunity to small pox (as it killed all of those who weren’t immune and only those who were passed along their genes). Unexposed to the disease at all, Native Americans when they came into contact with diseased but immune Europeans suffered a wide spread plague in which a significant portion of their population was destroyed. Only those with a resistence survived, and still survive today.
The Bible was written by people with little to zero knowledge of the universe. Their book is the best they were capable of. But today, as we know so much more about our universe, it is evident to see that intelligence and design have absolutely nothing to do with our being here.
The lack of a purpose in our existence plagues people, who become desperate to make this folklore fit. Instead of finding the beauty of defining their purpose for themselves, they become afraid and look to magic and fantasy to fill their voids. Fine. Their choice. But, where I draw the line in when it affects my ability to choose my destiny for myself. And anyone who thinks that they aren’t invading my right to decide my fate is simply in serious denial.
February 4th, 2006 at 7:56 amOf course I was being silly (I’m an atheist; it’s what we do.)
That’s the think aboutthw written word – so hard to convey tone. I knew you were kidding and an atheist. :)
How do you go about handling the more controversial topics? Do you explain what the hubbub is over Intelligent Design (which is neither), stem cell research, or other “hot button†topics, or do you try to stick to the less controversial stuff, like whether Xena and its moon Gabriella should be classified as planets or not?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — February 3, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
As much as I would love to be controversial, and as much as 95% of the kids would love it too (I’ve had some individual conversations with those kids), the 5% who avoid controversy at all costs, and their parents, make it impossible to fill the will of the majority. It’s a problem the school Districts avoid rather than confront, and as a result, I am bound by their decisions to be non-controversial.
But there’s a a bit of a loophole… if they bring it up and they talk about it, I am not liable. So, it’s always possible to invoke it in small doses to get them to think.
I’m not big on lecturing. I think it’s simply me telling them what’s right and what’s wrong, and not giving them an oppotunity to learn. One think that seems to work well is assigning them projects where they have to do research, present it to the clas, and then we talk about it. It becomes more about them willing to argue with their peers than with me. I’m simply there to guide and offer additional information.
But all the assinine No Child Left Behind standardized tests require me to make sure they can pass those tests so that the school doesn’t lose funding, and the kids advance. Because if it were up to me, we’d just have fun in learning and not have any tests. No one ’standardize tests’ you in the real world. And these kids are so unprepared for it. They’re taugt how to take tests and follow orders. Hardly a competent citizen.
But the part you might find the most amusing (at least I look at it that way) are the occasional busy-body teachers who don’t like the fact that I don’t act just like them (usually angry, screaming at the kids, very control freakish, and into many rules and regulations). A couple have gone to the vice principals to tattletale. Nothing comes out of it because the v.p.s know these people as constant whiners. But every time, every one of them has been a serious religion freak who believes in one right way – theirs. And they do what they can to make the rest of us be just like them. And ofcourse, you know the teachers the kids hate… yep, them :). Says a lot about our overly regimented, absolutist society, I do believe…
Do you have any teenage nieces or nephews or neighborhood kids to ask about school? For your own information, you should go ask them what they think about it. And why. It’s pretty eye-opening.
February 4th, 2006 at 8:24 amI walk by a large TV set every work day that is in a bank lobby with glass walls inside my office building. Always on CNN. Without hearing a word, I know that Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld are lying up on the screen because I can see their lips moving.
February 4th, 2006 at 11:04 amKumeshan
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