I worked with both the NCCC and The CWS (Church World Service) That was when the Faith Base was in their full bulding mode of ddiscrediting the Mainline Churches.

In Central America bush/reagone supported the most murderous regime that was starving,looting,murdering their own people .Nuns,Priest,Clergy,Missionary’s were murdered on the church steps.

millions of dollars were stolen from teh American tax payer for brick roads that went no where.Just like Iraq billions.

IN order to understand what is happening today we need to look back at the Iran/Contra affair and look at who has been dropped into Key Spots in the bush cabal. Negropronte needs to be in prision for war crimes against humanity and others for shredding doc.s at that time kinda like hitting the ‘Delete button” today.

We saved lots of lives backthen but we also saw lots of murdered,napalm villages with children lying out in the dirt covered with white powder there are still many good books on that sordid paste of ours and The Middle East will be another sordid paste. Its all about power,greed,control of the world through the Neo Cons eyes and damnable greed and disregard for human life.

Read,Reseach and hold your senate and congress people feet to the fire to help bring America back to her senses.

The Consitution and Bill Of Rights are at Stake.

The problem is will the sheep see that he is lying?!? I doubt it..but they can’t keep ignoring the moutain of evidence against this administration and it’s Ring Master Shrub…

Gary: You freaking idiot. What you mean to say is that Bush lied to cover up the fact that he was breaking the law. It’s fine with me if you give up your civil liberties in exchange for “security”, but don’t the rest of us to just accept it. You are a weak minded fool.

Comment by Ergy Earp

The “faith based” need to wake up and recognize that Bush is the anti-Christ.

http://www.teambio.org/ 2006/ 02/ an-open-letter-to-bubba/

Comment by Ron — February 5, 2006 @ 8:31 pm

I want to thank Ron for those moving words. The Bush administration not only attacks Soldiers who have gone and fought. The Bush Administration Smears groups of People, while never knowing any. The Bush administration hides behind desks, papers, laws, and official sounding titles.
The Soldiers of Iraq War will never have to worry about people cursing them as they did in the Vietnam War.
Which today we know that the Gulf Of Tonkin Sigint was Altered to Foment War.

You have my support Ron

“Just in the past few months,” Bartlett said, “I think a light has gone off for people who’ve spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he’s always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.” Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush’s governance, went on to say: “This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can’t be persuaded, that they’re extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he’s just like them. . . .

He really means the war in Iraq.

Listen up, Mr. Bubba Bush:

An Open Letter to Bubba

By Charlie Anderson, Iraq Veterans Against the War

I’ve seen you around. I’ve seen you driving your gas guzzling SUV with the “Support Our Troops” ribbon on the back. I’ve seen you wearing your pro-war/pro-bush t-shirts as you walk right past me in my Iraq Veterans Against the War t-shirt as if I don’t exist. And I’ve seen you at anti-war rallies and meetings where I often speak, as you wave your American flag and call me a traitor. In this country we have freedom of speech. But you owe me and every other veteran of this war the respect of listening to our experience.

Your magnet says “support our troops,” but what have you done for us? Not a penny of the proceeds go to us, instead they go to sweatshops in China. You say that I am not supporting the troops when I say that they should come home. But I am, because I know that there was no threat to our nation from Saddam Hussein, I know that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, and I know that we were not welcomed in Iraq as liberators. I know that the Iraq war was not worth fighting. I know, because I fought there. You say I’m confused. But what do you know about Iraq? You’ve never been there.

You have the audacity to claim that by not supporting the president, I don’t support the troops. Yet, the president chose to send over 160,000 of us to Iraq unprepared and without a defined mission. We had no body armor, no vehicle armor, and poor supplies of ammunition. Our families spent thousands of dollars that they did not have to supply us, while President Bush did nothing. In fact he didn’t even scold his Offensive Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, when he told our forward deployed troops, “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.” Moreover, the mission was originally about weapons of mass destruction, but there were none. Then it was making Iraq a democracy, but yet the “insurgency” worsens. Now the president has decided that in order to honor those who died for nothing, more must die for nothing.

At present, 2,241 of my brothers and sisters in arms have died. In some way, they may be the lucky ones. Over sixteen thousand others have been wounded in this war, thousands more than planned. The term wounded sounds sterile, bland, and inoffensive. But, in reality, many of them have been so horribly damaged that medical science had to create a new word to describe their wounds: polytrauma. These people would have died in earlier wars, but because of the gallant efforts of brave doctors and medics, they get to live. They get to live with teams of ten or more doctors just trying to get their broken, mangled bodies through another day, as their families look on in horror. They get to live in a physical and emotional hell, not able to recover and not able to voice the pain they feel or the psychological demons they face. All the while suffering with a Veterans Administration under funded by nearly three billion dollars and unable to care for them in the manner they deserve.

So which one of us supports the troops? You, who has never set foot in Iraq and wants to leave my brothers and sisters there until they complete whatever the undefined mission of the week is, or me, the veteran of this war who has seen the carnage of battle, the rampant indifference of my countrymen, and just wants to bring my brothers and sisters home alive and care for them when they get here?

Keep coming to the rallies. Maybe I’ll get through your thick skull eventually. But remember I waved my flag in Baghdad, so you can sit down, shut up, and listen to me.

http://www.teambio.org/2006/02/an-open-letter-to-bubba/

They can not win this argument in any legal sense. The only way to win is to politicize, associate with terrorists, and criminalize dissenters and any others who question the legal point. I expect to see the politicizing turn highly funded and violent before this is over. The violence won’t be coming from the rational or left. It will come from the “win at all costs” right, similar to storming vote counting centers in Fla. in 2000.

I hope I am wrong, but Twain is right about history.

Comment by Ergy Earp — February 5, 2006 @ 4:09 pm

Took me a While to Find this Again Ergy Earp, You might want to show this to your friends. The Amoral Straussians (Neo-Con) via Falwell and his ties to the Radical Right should cause them to rethink their Position on Bush Admin and the Neo-Cons

Heres the IRD NCCC Letter

To; Mark D. Tooley
Institute on Religion and Democracy

Dear Mark,

Rev. Falwell and His Friends are certain that the problems of America can be solved
by more of the radical right agenda that they have long espoused. It is sometimes hard to fathom just how radical and mean spirited the hard right fundamentalists really are and how long they have been at it.
The January/February 2004 issue of “Zions Herald” published a special report on the activities of the Washington think tank the Institute of Religion and Democracy (IRD). It Documented that the United Methodist Church (UMC), other mainline protestant denominations, as well as the National Council of Churches of Christ have been the targets of an orchestrated attack by determined right wing ideologues since 1981.
At the Heart of many of the Attacks is a “Reconstructionist” recipe for America. (blah blah blah skip) According to Christian Century, in the Reconstructionists’ brave new America; minimum-wage laws and Social Security for younger workers would be eliminated; most old-age
security would be covered by personal retirement plans or by care from adult children; and the federal government would play no part in regulating businesses, public education or welfare….all
inheritance and gift taxes would be abolished, while income taxes would be no more than 10 percent of gross income (an then only until goverment was shrunk further) Gleaning for the poor on private farms after harvesting would be encouraged..
I cannot Reconcile this Vision with my reading of the Bible. Jesus introduced his first by quoting the Prophet Isiah :
(quote Here Luke 4-18)
In the United States, For more than three decades, the leaders of the fundamentalist faith community and the political right have worked in tandem to build intellectual, organizational and political structures
rooted in easy certainty and dedicated to placing “Certain” politicians in the seat of power in the United States. With the 2004 Election, the ‘almost veto proof’ capture of the Senate, and with the prospect of a court system that will embrace fundamentalist principles, their victory seems near enough to grasp..Except…

a) NCC reject Hubris of easy Certainty

B)” true Believers” piled up pyramids of skulls, organized the death camp and inflicted anguish on untold Millions

Blah blah……Because we reject the Fundamentalist confidence that disasters, whether Natural or caused by Humans, are to be welcomed as an “end-time signs” pointing the select few toward the paradise beyond armageddon

It is Now Clear We Grossly Underestimated the the impact of the “gospel of easy certainty”

we need your help, and that of other progressive and compassionate thinkers, to strengthen the infrastructure of compassion and justice, to once again preach and build toward the beloved community. What can you give to preserve freedom, compassion, and sustainability?
Peace and Justice
Rev. Bob Edgar.
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It would Appear that Mr Edgar has had a Change of Heart FROM the Radical Right of Falwell and is now ASKING for help from the progressives. I Dont know if the poor camps are TRUE, this was taken from the Letter,,–mr ho