Bush, Ashcroft, FBI Director Said 9/11 Attacks Were Not Preventable
Bush, Ashcroft, FBI Director Said 9/11 Attacks Were Not Preventable
President Bush and other senior administration officials have tried to defend illegal domestic spying by arguing that it could have prevented 9/11. Bush included the argument in his State of the Union address:
It is said that prior to the attacks of September the 11th, our government failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy. … So to prevent another attack — based on authority given to me by the Constitution and by statute — I have authorized a terrorist surveillance program…
This argument is false, as several sources, including the Washington Post, have pointed out. But it also runs contrary to the administration’s previous line on the attacks. In 2002, President Bush and other top officials told Americans that September 11 could not have been prevented:
President Bush, 6/4/02:
Q Had the reform been put in place beforehand, if the FBI had been –
THE PRESIDENT: I haven’t seen any evidence –
Q — could the attacks have been stopped?
THE PRESIDENT: I’ve seen no evidence today that said this country could have prevented the attack.
FBI Director Robert Mueller, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, 6/2/02:
U.S. intelligence agencies could have better analyzed information that pointed to Sept. 11, but they probably could not have prevented the attacks, the attorney general and FBI director said Sunday. …
“The information we now have does not indicate that there was a substantial likelihood of detecting this,” Ashcroft said.
So, to recap: President Bush was wrong in 2002, and he’s wrong now. The 9/11 attacks could have been prevented (as the 9/11 Commission found), but his illegal domestic spying program would not have done the job.
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Back off Nico. Bush had his own ass to cover in 2002. Now he’s got the midterms to think about. Geez.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:09 pmIf you throw enough crap over a long period of time, it’s just too hard for the average over stressed American to keep up. Most don’t know, don’t remember, don’t have the energy to keep up.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:12 pmThe attention span of the public is aprox. 20 minutes. It seems the press’ attention span is even shorter. Why aren’t the reporters calling these liars on this stuff?
I suspect it is the same reason a fashion reviewer never gives a bad review to a fashion show. If they do they don’t get invited to the next show. Could it be that critical reporters loose their White House credentials?
Please tell me this is just lazy reporting not systematic intimidation.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:16 pmSo the question is, what is going to happen about these Gonzales hearings?
Nothing whatever.
It’s just more hot air.
Spector and the other Repugs just proving that they are not as bad as they seem. But they will take no action and it’s on to the expansion of the Unitary Executive.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:16 pmWrong president, wrong time, wrong, wrong, wrong.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:16 pm… and who, exactly, are the real flip floppers?
It comes as no surprise that it’s the Repugs themselves.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:16 pmUnitary Executive = Dictator
February 7th, 2006 at 1:22 pmBush’s war is:
THE WAR ON AMERICA!
February 7th, 2006 at 1:23 pmSorry
Jr.’s war is:
THE WAR ON AMERICA
February 7th, 2006 at 1:24 pmI’ve seen no evidence today that said this country could have prevented the attack – besides the PDB saying Bin Laden Determined to attack U.S.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:26 pmYOU GUYS AT THINK PROGRESS ARE KICKING ASS…KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
February 7th, 2006 at 1:29 pmNo take backs!
February 7th, 2006 at 1:31 pmHey – do you think that if Gore had taken office (he did win the election, after all) 9/11 would have happened? You think maybe that Bush allowed the hijackers to carry out what he thought would ‘just’ be hijackings? Maybe he was a bit worried about his domestic popularity and his war plans? They knew about Atta, they knew about Moussaoui, they had a presidential daily briefing, they didn’t bother to warn the airlines, etc. Hmmm…
February 7th, 2006 at 1:34 pm#13 – Interesting question. I think 9/11 might have still happened. The planning was pretty good — as in simple. Gore would not have ignored the PDB, however, and may have jacked up the security big time, so some of the hijackers may have been thwarted, if not all. GWB wasn’t paying attention, it was going to happen under his watch no matter what.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:42 pm“Hey – do you think that if Gore had taken office (he did win the election, after all) 9/11 would have happened?”
Absolutely and multiple other attacks following 9/11.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:44 pmGood job Tracy, you are earning your pay today.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:47 pm#13 – … and it’s interesting to note that under Clinton’s watch, a massive al Quaida(sp?) event was thwarted. Even while Bill was getting a blow job, he was keeping Americans safe. Talented man.
Look up Project Bojinka through Google. Read and be amazed at what the Clinton Administration was able to dismantle.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:47 pm“Hot Karl” thats funny, I also have called him that.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:48 pmIf, as the adminstration argues today, the 9/11 attacks were preventable, then why did they not prevent them? After all what they say they needed was this illegal spy program why didn’t they do it back then? They do not seem to have too much trouble skirting the law when they see fit so why not back then? Did they not take America’s security as seriously back then as they say they do today?
February 7th, 2006 at 1:48 pmBULLSHIT!
February 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pmHey – do you think that if Gore had taken office (he did win the election, after all) 9/11 would have happened?
Probably. But I know we wouldn’t be wasting money and lives in the Iraq quagmire.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:53 pmPresidential Daily Briefing
bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US
August 6, 2001
Too bad ol’ numbnuts was busy a-clearin’ brush at his fake ranch in Texas, eh?
February 7th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThe attacks were preventable, as the 9/11 commission found out.
The Bush administration has done very little to implement any of the changes recommended by commission.
So, how does gathering information through secret and illegal wiretap help in the “war on terror” if none of the recommendations has been followed?
February 7th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#14, Zookeeper, Gore also chaired a White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security for President Clinton:
White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security
FINAL REPORT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/212fin~1.html
An interesting read about what might have happened if our rightfully elected president had been inaugurated…
February 7th, 2006 at 1:55 pmPresident Gore: A Look Back
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0430-04.htm
“Hey – do you think that if Gore had taken office (he did win the election, after all) 9/11 would have happened?”
Would it have happened? I think that Gore might have paid attention to all the reports and the PDB. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Also, I can gaurantee that the military would not have been told to stand down on this day if the events did manage to happen. It would have been much more coordinated and executed.
We can debate what could/would have happened, but the sad truth is that our king failed us and has no intentions of doing anything other than pillaging and raping this country for all she has.
February 7th, 2006 at 1:57 pmThis is what stuns me. This country and its populace have forgotten the greatest intelligence failure in modern history. Its a fact that Al-Qaeda was not the concern of the Bush administration leading up to late 2001 and this lead directly to the nature and scope of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The administration likes to envoke the 9/11 feeling of horror but americans should remember their government in August and September of 2001 failed them. This is the core role of the federal government, to protect the homeland.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:06 pmAnd in response to the mundane question of “What would have Gore done?” We don’t know, because he failed to fight for the presidency with the same vigor the Bush people did. I do know that counterterrorism spending increased under the Clinton administration and the new Bush administration focused on rogue states and their obsession with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:09 pmReporters don’t consider it lying unless it’s about sex. To them these things add up to more ’spin’ and politics as usual.
It’s the same crap they used to try and deflect the initial Watergate investigation: “all president do this stuff, Nixon was unlucky and got caught”
February 7th, 2006 at 2:09 pm~~”Merrily we roll along, roll along, roll along”~~ and we “‘chatroom’ up a chorus”…
…while the ‘Foggy Bottom’, Pentagon, and Justice Department “BANDITOS” go “ON THE LAM”:
FREE AS JAILBIRDS ‘ON THE LAM’.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:10 pm~~”Merrily we roll along, roll along, roll along”~~ and we “‘chatroom’ up a chorus”…
…while the ‘Foggy Bottom’, Pentagon, and Justice Department “BANDITOS” go “ON THE LAM”:
FREE AS JAILBIRDS ‘ON THE LAM’.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:10 pm~~”Merrily we roll along, roll along, roll along”~~ and we “‘chatroom’ up a chorus”…
…while the ‘Foggy Bottom’, Pentagon, and Justice Department “BANDITOS” go “ON THE LAM”:
FREE AS JAILBIRDS ‘ON THE LAM’.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:10 pmHow does this sound?
King Jr.
Any ideas?
February 7th, 2006 at 2:18 pmGeorge W. Bush – enemy of competent government.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:23 pmYes, but that was when Bush was trying to convince everyone that no President could have stopped 9/11. Once he effectively negated (to 51% of the population, anyway) that his incompetence wasn’t the cause of 9/11, he was free to change his story for his new PR effort.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:28 pmIf George W Bush had not had a plan to invade Afghanistan on the shelf since Jan 2001 and if he had not threatened to invade Afghanistan in July 2001 the 9-11-2001 attack most likely would not have happened.
Now you must ask why would Bush want to invade Afghanistan in July 2001.
Have you had enough of the Republican outrage?
Join the revolution http://www.boycott-republicans.com
February 7th, 2006 at 2:41 pmC’mon, people…why is this surprising to anyone? These are the same people, after all, who were similarly quoted prior to the War In Iraq to the effect that it would be a “slam-dunk” and that our soldiers would be welcomed with flowers.
What someone — most specifically, someone in the media or the Democratic Party — needs to do is to hammer at these people ruthlessly and relentlessly with what they’ve said in the past and how it contradicts what they’re saying today. There’s virtually no chance that any of these people would ever openly admit to having been short-sighted, overconfident, inaccurate, or flat-out deceitful — but perhaps their continued evasiveness in the face of such determined confrontation might eventually begin to help drown out some of the Bush administration’s contradictory and semi-Orwellian rhetoric (”Oceania is at war with Eurasia — Oceania has always been at war with Eur…I mean, at war with Asia”).
The reason why they continue to do this is because they know they can — comparatively few people have really shown enough cojones to call them on it consistently and refused to back down in the face of intimidation.
February 7th, 2006 at 2:47 pm3- did you mean seconds?
February 7th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWell, considering that it was Marvin Bush’s company that was in chargge of security for the WTC and Dulles airport on 9/11, you have to wonder how tied to 9/11 this administration is. Why did Cheney order NORAD to stand down? Why did every member of the Bin-Laden family get a free ride out of the country on 9/12? And why did Larry Silverstein say that WTC 7 had been “pulled”, which is a term for a controlled demoition???
There are no good answers for any of these questions. I have footage of the collapse of building 7 (and Mr. Silverstein’s comment about it) on my homepage. The wtc 7 collapse doesn’t fit in with the official story at all. The building wasn’t hit by anything and didn’t have anything even resembling an intense fire, but it completely collapsed into dust. So would that have happened if Gore had been president?
February 7th, 2006 at 2:51 pmMan what a flip flopper.
February 7th, 2006 at 3:05 pmCan you spot the weasel word™?
THE PRESIDENT: I’ve seen no evidence today that said this country could have prevented the attack.
Was that milk day at the White House?
February 7th, 2006 at 3:06 pmThat’s huge!
Someone with connections to the MSM needs to forward those quotes.
He was lying then (to cover his ass in the immediate days after 9/11) or he’s lying now (to cover his ass from criminal prosecution).
Either way, in a society with an independent media, he’d be toast. The blogosphere has to get them off their ass.
February 7th, 2006 at 3:25 pmThere is unassailable evidence that this government was criminally negligent and criminally complicit in the 9/11 attacks. If we were a nation of laws, rather than political expediency, there would’ve been a criminal investigation conducted by an Independent Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury with unlimited judicial subpoena power. Instead, we are sliding into totalitarianism on a raft of lies.
February 7th, 2006 at 4:54 pmWasn’t there a blurb a couple weeks back that Bush’s NSA program pre- dated 9/11?
In light of this shouldn’t we be asking “what the hell went wrong” don’t give him an out.
February 7th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
There is ample prima facie, circumstantial and even hard physical evidence that the government and the media have been lying to the American people methodically and repeatedly about the 9/11 attacks – the pretext for all of the lies which followed.
This has engendered a national discourse which is completely bogus and the systematic destruction of civil liberties and Constitutional law.
See, http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php
Check out:
Nafeez Ahmed’s “The War On Truth: 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism”.
Paul Thompson’s “The Terror Timeline”
Both of the above mentioned books were recommended by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney after public hearings into the attacks were conducted by her in the basement of the Capitol. Only C-Span covered these remarkable hearings.
February 7th, 2006 at 5:05 pmJudd,
Are you sure you wanna be bringing up 9/11. Some of us might start posting theories.
Sorry, I had to.
February 7th, 2006 at 5:14 pmJoe Buckstrap,
Did you happen to see this link re: 9/11?
http://prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb338782.htm
February 7th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThisis the problem with lying. You can’t remember all the lies you’ve told and you begin to get tripped up by them. It’s just soooooooo much easier to tell the truth.
February 7th, 2006 at 5:32 pm9/11 was preventable because Bush either allowed the attack to take place or was involved in the operation, since there is evidence the towers were brought down by demolition charges perhaps! A new independent investigation is needed to find out the truth!
February 7th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThere is such a building of evidence against this administration yet with the vast majority of the media drumming home those bullet points over and over it is very tough to make people you talk to believe what is really going on.
February 7th, 2006 at 6:20 pmConsidering how Gore likes to take things seriously Gore would have done better. Plus with a Republican congress he would have done better at getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Only thing Republicans are good at is complaining about something they think they could do better…except the Republicans have now proved Republicans are lousy at most things.
It’s always better to have Democrats in power with the Republicans on the sidelines bitterly complaining how things are going. That’s the only real strength Republicans have.
Gore would also have had time to put together a real American defense as al Qaeda being nothing more than a very violent crimnal organization doesn’t think in military terms. 9/11 was a punishment for American troops in Saudi Arabia…nothing more in their minds. A truly military attack would have had follow up attacks in months or even weeks.
Since Al Qaeda doesn’t have any real goals in mind about conquering and holding territory what life span the organization has will be short lived. It will burn itself out if people STOP giving it reasons to continue to exist. Attacking Iraq gave it fresh momentum.
And if Americans really want to show the worlkd why it was a bad idea to attack Amercia, America would have DONE anything and everything to kill Bin Laden. “Attack America; Get yourself killed.”
But America didn’t do that…Now Al Qaeda isn’t afraid of anything America does.
THAT you morons is real bad leadership. Can you imagine an east-side mobster hitting a west-side mobster and the west-side mob boss LETTING the east-side mob boss with a lot of his gang get away? To strike again some day?
That west-side mob boss would be in cement shoes the next day “swimming with the fishes.”
Bush is more a friend to Al Qaeda than a real enemy.
Oh well…too late now. Have fun with your mob war.
February 7th, 2006 at 7:05 pmHe was saying that because he couldn’t mention the spying program I suppose. He wanted to keep it a secret, so he said what he did. Same may go for the FBI director. Just a guess.
February 7th, 2006 at 8:52 pmOnly one comment. Go to st911.org.
February 7th, 2006 at 9:49 pmYes, Lily, I saw that press release and some others released a week later.
Eventually, the 9/11 truth movement will reach critical mass as more Americans begin to learn about our Federal Mafia’s negligence, complicity and coverups in those attacks.
Hopefully, that will come before the next iteration of synthesized terrorism now being planned by this junta.
February 7th, 2006 at 10:01 pmLest we forget…..Kenny “Boy” Lay and ENRON were W’s largest $$$ backers for the campaign against Gore. Kenny had a problem….Enron built a 4 billion dollar gas fired plant at Bhopal India…..(financed in part with u.s. taxpayer money)but had no gas….they were gonna bring in liquified natural gas by ship but it turned out to be way too expensive…..then they decided to get it by pipeline from kazikstan or one of the stans with the pipline running south thru Afghanistan…..the u.s. state department actually gave the Taliban a gift of 45 million to help negotiations along…the CIA was handling the talks…..if I recall correctly one of the agents was a female(why do we send females to do our bidding in societies that keep women in double burkas….so they fail and then we bomb?)anyway, the Taliban finally rejected the pipeline on August 13……gee, Jeffrey Skilling didn’t take it very well and quit as ceo of Enron the next day…….they don’t ring the bell on wall street at the top….but Skilling quitting set off alarms all over the street and Enron began its death spiral that day….I think it may have still been as high as 39 or 34……on its way to zero……anyway less than a month later 9/11 happened via bin laden whose family has the biggest constuction company in saudi arabia….w’s father george h w is involved with the carlyle group and supposedly carlyle & bin laden cos have some joint ventures….so then after 9/11 the usa invades Afghanistan and puts in Kermit, who used to work with Condi Rice (another of our guaranteed female failure negotiators in the middle east….can you remember madeline albright….yikes) at Chevron and……they’re building that pipeline……lots of dirty deeds….I wonder if Jeffrey will have anything to say on these matters at his trial with kenny boy……there’s most likely a deal in place…..shut up and you’ll get the pardon ala Marc Rich in the final hour of W’s 8 years as king.
Someone above mentioned the call options bought before 9/11…..it should be “put” options….remember call=up & put=down….the options that were bot on the airlines the week before 9/11 were put options and made big money when the ailine stocks sank…..thats the way you know the 9/11 commission was a whitewash……first thing you do is follow the money in any investigation….the commission did not even mention the money that was made being “short” via put options….or the brokerage house that did the majority of those trades or the CIA connections of the head of that brokerage house…..gee, you mean they not only didn’t catch bin laden, but were also shorting the market ahead of our new “Pearl Harbor” as outlined by Richard Perl and dual citizen neo-con friends in their report “The New American Century”
February 7th, 2006 at 11:43 pmadd to the above….remember Dick (war profiteering to the tune of billions unaccountably misplaced or “lost” in Iraq by haliburton) Cheney would not let out the minutes of his Energy Task Force……most likely that was because Kenny “boy” lay, a member of that task force with “Dick”, was whining throughout about the need for that pipeline across Afghanistan…….you would think the investigative reporters who want to make a name for themseles would get a hold of a copy of those transcripts…..not a whited out version they let out for national security purposes….never mind fake weapons of mass destruction…..those meetings are a key to the whole dick & W show.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:01 am#44 goddess
February 8th, 2006 at 12:08 amYes indeed, a couple of weeks ago, there was a news article gone largely unnoticed that Bush actually started secret eavesdropping in early 2001 (late February I think) and at that time, he was likely focusing on Democrats and others who strongly opposed his re-election.
#55, George
February 8th, 2006 at 12:13 amThanks for bringing up and summarizing the Afghanistan pipeline, as well as the other related financial news and coincidences. Many people don’t know, or have forgotten much of that, or we have been inundated with so many deceptions, lies, smokescreens, under-the-table dealing that we have a hard time keeping all of them in mind.
They do what they do because they can. They are allowed to by the Congress and the press who are cowed by them and their power.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:17 amKnowing all we know now (and we don’t know all of it) that they can even say the attacks were not preventable is astonishing.
Unless, one considers that they may have had a hand in the attacks — then, of course they were not preventable were they? There are so many coincidences, so many financial deals, so many unanswered questions, that although one may struggle with accepting what might be the horrible truth here, there is certainly sufficient circumstantial evidence to warrant doubt about the “official” report of what, how and why it all happened.
If the Bushanistas were evesdropping internally as early as feb 2001 then all their protecting the homeland from terrorism is another made up crock story…..this is getting to feel like a Costas Gravas movie……”Z” or “Night of the Generals”…..sorry if any of those names are wrong…..pulling them out of the wayback machine
February 8th, 2006 at 2:03 pmYou guys are hilarious. Hind sight being 20/20 and you state that if the ‘rightful’ president (how hard can it be to comprehend that Gore lost the election?) were in charge 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. Perhaps you have no clue on the amount of threats and faulty intelligence both Clinton and Bush (as well as most any other president) receive on a DAILY basis. If the government told the airlines to “secure the cockpit doors” because of a threat, where do you draw the line?
Again, Hind sight being 20/20 it’s easy to say what they SHOULD have done. I should’ve played 443 in the lottery last week, I would’ve won!
It’s amazing. You people act like you are in a cult. Michael Moore is your leader (how much money has he made off 9/11?).. oh yeah, being the hypocrite that he is in owning haliburton stock… http://tinyurl.com/a478k
And this garbage arguement about it being preventable or not… Listen, saying “I see no evidence today that the attack could have been preventable” and telling me that that really means “the attacks could not be prevented” is silly. Of course, twisting someones words are something liberals do best.
But let’s assume for one moment that it was said in 2002 that the attacks could NOT have been prevented, period. Does that mean we should not exhaust every means we have to stop people from harming us? I’m sorry but the government searching for key words in oversea phone calls harms no one but thin skinned people who get all uppity over just about anything.
Bush has screwed up many things, i certainly won’t defend some of his actions. But hearing this talk of conspiracies and second-guessing an even tsuch as 9/11 which NO ONE could have comprehended prior to that day is just ridiculous.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:26 pm9/11 is a fraud – controlled demolition, just watch it in slow-mo…..
February 8th, 2006 at 4:45 pmhttp://prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb338782.htm
I see no contradiction. This is merely another liberal attack on the president by twisting the evidence because they have no plan for themselves. Nonetheless Bush was only in the White House for about nine months when the attacks occured.
February 9th, 2006 at 1:31 amControlled demolition? I’ve seen the video. For you to think that what you see is explosives being set off is quite alarming. I would seriously consider a very good therapist in your near future.
February 9th, 2006 at 10:02 amKen spins for Bush lies about 9/11 on here >lol.
WTC towers just naturally fell straight down in unison huh?
February 9th, 2006 at 10:23 amPuffs of smoke shooting out of each floor as they fell was just a coincidence? Interesting that no other buildings in recorded history ever collapsed that way?
Hard Questions about 9/11… These are for Ken… So you say that most of the people in this thread are “liberal” wackos… Please answer these questions?
February 9th, 2006 at 10:34 pmWhy Norad stood down on 9/11? It has 49 years serving this country and it has never happened in the past.
Why Building 7 came down if it was not hit by anything? Could it have been maybe that there was some stuff that would not be good for the general public to know(ie., Intelligence facility from which it was all orchestrated)
Do you know that Larry silverstein purchased the twin towers only 2 months prior to 9/11. He also bought a big FAT insurance on the towers for which he cashed/earned huge amount of profit after they fell.
Why other building which were closer than building 7 from the twin towers didn’t collapse. Guess what? All the buildings that collapsed belonged to Larry Silverstein, and he had an insurance for all of them.
I could keep pounding you with more questions, but I think you have enough food for thought here
So, in 2002 Bush says from what he has seen he thinks the attacks could not have been prevented? but the 9-11 commission thinks so? Big deal. The Commission had two years to look at everything and probably got to look at a lot more stuff than Bush had at that time.
Could Gore have prevented 9-11? No. How many terrorist attacks happened under the Clinton Admin? Yeah that’s what I thought, a lot. Not to mention that most of planning for 9-11 happened under the Clinton Admin.
As for that PDB, was there anything in there that had not already been mentioned before at one time or another? We’ve known, prior to 2001, that Al Qaeda had been wanting to attack the US and they did once before in 1993 (under the Clinton Admin btw). I wish the left would start pulling out encyclopedias and other factual research material and stop listening to the baseless crap.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:08 pmThis is to Latin…
You want to tell me that in a country where a president can’t get oral sex from a woman and the world not find out about it..That a country where prisoners on foreign soil are being abused and the world will find out about it… That in a country where NO ONE can keep a secret… You want me to believe the following:
That a private citizen like Larry Silverstein was involved in a mass conspiracy which included NOT only the president of the United States (who by the way was in office for what, 9 whole months at the time?) but also HUNDREDS of people (hey, someone had to plant all those explosives in WTC, someone had to organize with the people flying the airplanes, etc..) were involved in this MASS cover up, and not ONE person has DIRECT evidence (everything you have stated is circumstantial) about it?
Not ONE person has come forward saying “I was involved in this”? You expect any sane person to believe that all of these people, including a president who had basically just got situated in office, lead this conspiracy and it has remained a secret?
Come on, I’m sure you have a sliver of intelligence, PLEASE don’t blindly believe these ridiculous theories.
BTW, do you believe that the U.S. faked the lunar landing? If so, anything I say will not convince you about this nor anything else.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmAlso…
To people stating the buildings were taken down by demolition, I believe you will say the following is part of a conspiracy too:
Following pressure from technical experts, industry leaders and families of victims, the Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology conducted a three year $24 million investigation into the structural failure and progressive collapse of several WTC complex structures.
The study included in-house technical expertise and drew upon the knowledge of several outside private institutions for aid to include:
Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE)
National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)
American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC)
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH)
Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY)
The report also noted that “NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to September 11, 2001.”
February 10th, 2006 at 6:24 pmTo the “Rightees” who dare not challenge the “official†government stories. Those of you who cannot find yourselves saying at the very least… that there are some very questionable events and evidence as to what really accord on 9/11. Not to mention the dubious acts after dubious acts since that day.
In the name of security and homeland defense, a manipulation of our laws has taken place to suit this new regime. Yet you so called Republicans don’t mind that our Constitution is under attack by the very people who are supposedly bringing freedom to the world. Torture, warrant less wiretapping, sneak and peeks, kidnap, false imprisonment, no fly lists, detention camps. The defiance of the Posse Comitatus Act. They are calling in the military as first responders now. Is this freedom or is this a police state? Have your heard of the 8th Amendment?
Let’s not mention the voting debacle that even brings to question if any of our elections are potentially fixed events. Do you trust a computer to tally your vote?
If you fail to see that both the Republican and Democratic parties are working together to squash any other political parties or alternate forms or thought and representation. They are merely playing a out a soap opera for the mindless masses to ingest as the truth is hidden from public scrutiny.
Our country has held to the principal based on the fundamental theory that we are innocent until proven guilty, right? But now our President has admitted to holding and killing mere suspects who have not even had a day in court, many have been taken without family notification, held without right to representation, held in secret, tried in secret and potentially executed in secret. Which is ok since he has been deemed them enemy combatants, not by a judge or a grand jury but by the executive branch. One man alone has the right to hold even American citizens and treat them like animals. Don’t we all feel safer now?
Where are the true American patriots? Oh, I’m sorry we should make sure we get our permission to protest and take our politically correct signs to some gated “protest zone†and hope we don’t end up on a watch list of potential disruptors or combatants. Have you ever heard of the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
Let me ask you some questions. First of all, what type of President tries to stop an independent investigation into the events of that day. Is that the act of an honorable president? Why has the government only revealed 5 frames of film of an object hitting the Pentagon that does not remotely look like a passenger jet? 2 feet above ground by the way. There is other footage that exists, yet they won’t show release it. Transparent government, have we ever had one in our lifetime?
In regards to 9/11 and complicity of people within the US government and the lack of whistle-blowers. What criminal in their right mind who turn themselves in and admit they were involved. There is so much evidence and unanswered questions that could literally type for hours.
I’ll get to the point. Most criminal investigations start on the basis of motive, means and opportunity. A mass conspiracy can occur when you have people who are of like mind and indifferent to those who they feel they should rule. It can also include people who are loyal and follow orders regardless of potential wrongdoing and human cost.
The Motive: A Presidential dictatorship. Just take a look at this bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which set term limits for the President. This bill was introduced February 17, 2005. This was less than a year ago fellow citizens. What kind of American would even right a bill like this. Remember even what Hitler did was legal. This is at the Library of Congress web site.
H. J. RES. 24 – http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES
The Means: Common, you know they have the means. Our government has admitted practicing air war games with live remote controlled airliners. Condoleeza Rice denied it to the 9/11 Commision though. On 9/11 they also admitted to having scheduled similar war games for the same day. Here are some that have been discovered.
Associated Press, August 21, 2002:
CIA / National Reconnaissance Office “plane into building” exercise simulation of a plane crash into the NRO headquarters (near Dulles Airport, Virginia) – this was not a “terrorism” exercise but it did result in the evacuation of most NRO employees just as the “real” 9/11 was taking place, making it more difficult for the nation’s spy satellites to be used to track the hijacked planes.
“Vigilant Guardian†Aviation Week & Space Technology, June 3, 2002
Newhouse News, others. The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was “part of the drill” or a real world event.
“Vigilant Warrior†Richard Clark, “Against All Enemies” (March 2004) referenced by Richard Clark.
“Northern Vigilance†Toronto Star, December 9, 2001 “Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada.”
“Tripod II†US Department of Justice and City of New York Rudolph Giuliani’s testimony to the 9/11 Commission, May 2004 biowar exercise in New York City scheduled for September 12, 2001. Remember FEMA was ready September 10th. Coincidence?
Opportunity: If you have the means, you can make the opportunity.
If you can’t at least say that further investigation into the murder of over 3000 people is needed to find out the exactly what happened on 9/11 then I question your patriotism, your loyalty and your intelligence.
A few words from first generation American patriot.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:47 amSorry. Here is the corrected link to the bill introduced to repleal the 22nd Amendment.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:53 amhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
Project Bojinka IS 9/11
Pakistani intelligence picked up on Project Bojinka in 92, gave the plans to the US..
Amazingly, the WTC in New York was 93’s FEMA manual Cover, and the Fema manual even had a chapter about “commercial flights posing new threats.”
the president of Sudan offered to apprehend Bin Laden for Sedition, and then execution under “Crimes against humanity” for the bombing of the USS Cole..
Bill Clinton responded, by using HellFire missiles on a state of the art, Army Corp built, pharmacutical factory…..
initially, we trained, fed, bred, and armed bin laden to fight the Ruskies, Unacol, now Unesco, was a British Petroleum exporter that worked in and around the ports of Yemen, Aden, and all over south africa, for shippment to the US..
The warlords were bombing the Yankee oil lines, so we needed a standing force..
The mujahadeen (now talliban) Fought for MRE’s, Heckler and Koch sub-machine guns, and the right to rob, pillage, and rape as they saw fit..
they were the perfect force, feared, tenacious, ruthless, and completely unaccountable for their atrocities..
We ripped them off, we promised them ten percent of all the crude flow that oozed its way through Unesco Hardware…and then the british cut the production to up the costs at the pump..
The mujahadeen didnt get refined costs…so they were pissed, and started bombing US embassies…
thats the whole story of Bin Laden, A fallen War Hero, tyrant, Freedom Fighter, last energy hope of the western world…
and now a perfect reason to continue an engagement that does nothing more then generate instabillity so that oil is harder to mine, harder to refine, and more expensive to purchase..
All is going as planned…
January 5th, 2007 at 9:20 am