Cheney’s Credibility In Its Last Throes
By on Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
Cheney’s Credibility In Its Last Throes
Vice President Dick Cheney, yesterday:
I think we’ll look back several years from now and see that 2005 was really a turning point, in the sense the progress we made…in terms of training Iraqi forces, because we’ve now got a large number of Iraqis taking the lead various places around the country from a security and military standpoint. [Cheney, PBS Newshour, 2/7/06]
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace, yesterday:
“Pace said only one Iraqi army battalion is capable of fighting without U.S. help. That is the same number as in September, when U.S. commanders disclosed that the number of such highly trained battalions had dropped from three to one, prompting criticism from lawmakers.†[AP, 2/7/06]
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So many lies, so little truth.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:02 pmWould that be the Man/Animal Hybrid Battalion?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pmL’il Dick’s credibility went out with Halliburton’s no-bid contracts…
Also in that same interview with Lehrer L’il Dick said,
“…it’s no stroke of dumb luck we haven’t been hit in 4 years”…
Yet 4 more churches were torched in rural Alabama, (along with the thousands of dead in Iraq)…
“creating reality”:
A Republiscum pasttime since 1994’s “Contract w/America…
(patent pending)
February 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmMebbe Dick needs to get with the 12 Step Program for Liars Anonymous.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmHow does he come up with this stuff and not get called on it? Why they continue to allow him to feed off the blood of babies and little puppies I will never know. They should take away his supply and let him turn to dust.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:07 pmIt’s all about staying on message. Keep telling the same lies over and over, never admit a mistake, wave the flag. None of this stuff gets enough air time on the news for even intelligent Americans to make informed judgements, so they just keep on keeping on.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:08 pmFlippin’ and floppin’.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:09 pmHere’s a practical question for this Cheney loving crowd. How do we Impeach him as well? Let’s think about this seriously.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:15 pmDick Cheney’s credibility is its last throes…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pm#9 sorry, LOL
February 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pmbest. headline. ever.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pmThat’s not too difficult to do once the president is impeached. They are both pretty much in the same boat. They both spit out the same information, and because of that they are both participants of the crimes.
It’s just a matter of getting the House to file an Article of Impeachment. After that, everything else will fall right in line.
The following will be taken down with the investigation:
Bush
February 8th, 2006 at 1:21 pmCheney
Rumsfeld
Wolforitz
Rice
Gonzo
(hell the entire Admin staff)
“When Iraqis step up, we’ll step down” -President Bush
Has anybody bothered to ask him what happens if Iraqis don’t step up?
I’m not advocating a full withdrawl of troops, but if you think about it, what we’re doing there is essentially like parents doing their kids’ homework and then complaining when their kids don’t get A’s on their exams.
If we keep enabling them and don’t even threaten to cut the chord, they will never step up. Why would they? They get a free proxy army and police force, courtesy of the US taxpayer, and none of them have to risk their lives fighting for a government that most of them view as illegitimate anyway.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmNext headline:
“Genral Pace Resigns From Joint Chiefs of Staff.”
February 8th, 2006 at 1:24 pmWatched Cheney on PBS. I can’t believe he continues to get away with his lies. I kept waiting for him to burst into flames. The man is evil.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:27 pmRemoveBush – I certainly hope you are correct. I just feel a little uncertain without a specific plan.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmHere’s a practical question for this Cheney loving crowd. How do we Impeach him as well? Let’s think about this seriously.
Comment by california_reality_check #8
cali,
See “Halliburton/Carlyle Group et al.”
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmcrc – why do you think that “Phase II” of the investigation into the Iraq WMD investigation has been stalled? It’s because there is enough information there to sink the ship.
If they keep stalling, then they will get away with it. This is why EVERYONE needs to write their reps.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:32 pmBaghdad in ruins. New Orleans in ruins. Mississippi coastline devastated. Alabama churches torched. Where next?
The US leaders are loosing their cool. It is a slow, constant destruction of America. They’re fiddling while it all falls down. There ain’t no saving it and there ain’t no fixing it. It’s over.
The neocons are the malignant tumor.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:32 pmJust out of curiosity, wouldn’t the Vice President have to have credibility in the first place before it could be in its last throes?
Sorry, Payson. I know your headline was “tongue-in-cheek”. But thanks for letting us all know that the Vice president is clearly not improving with age.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:35 pm#21 Wayne – you make a very good point.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#20, Tehran, Ron.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:41 pmCareful Payson. I think you’re going to be wiretapped next.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pmRemoveBush – They have been successful with the stonewalling thus far. You say it’s a house of cards. I say NONE of the thugs can be trusted. NONE. They haven’t responded to constituents yet. The only scenario that I have been able to see as effective is the brink of destruction of our country. This has me worried. They will not go quietly. They are capable of great harm.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmDick will be meeting his Uncle Satan before ‘08.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThat aluminum kool-aid pump can’t last much longer.
Poor General Pace will be without any gainful employment soon.
#13 I’ve asked that question myself. Think about this. In 1941 we had a very minimal military. By the end of 1942 we were able to launch major campaigns successfully in Guadalcanal (August) and North Africa (Nevember). That is less than a one year time period to recruit train, and equip the troops. Add to that transporting them overseas and working out the logistics of mounting these campaigns.
Compare that to the three years we have been “training” the iraqi’s to stand up and all I see is a wasteful mid east joke. If the criminal element still wants to compare today to WWII, then lets start here. Why can’t this simple objective be accomplished? Remeber they were supposed to want us there, so the populace should be willing.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmAmericans resist ever admitting to a judgement in error. Our prez is a prime example of it. So, despite loss of support, bush/cheney will continue to give the party line knowing that many Americans will support them rather than admit to incorrectly supporting a cheating, lying group of losers. Being wrong in America is viewed as being weak. Bush uses this logic. He promotes himself as being strong but never wrong. Voters buy it, thus it will continue to be used by bush/cheney.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmCOME ON HEART ATTACK NUMBER 5!!!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pmNo take backs!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:51 pmcrc – I agree 100% with you, but I believe that we can win. However, it will take people to stand up to do it. These people in Congress are chickenshits and they will go with who applies the most pressure. So far there has not been a lot of pressure from the American people.
Lately, there has been more and more people waking up and therefore more hearings. The problem is that the number of people is small, thats why the hearings are not taken serious. They are just to appease the public, not to really be successful.
If we could get 1 Million people to march on the WH, that would wake some people up. People just are not interrested though. Look at the recent march on 2/4/06 that had a few thousand people. With this kind of turn out, no one can get anything done.
This is the problem….. Until this happens, we will never see things change.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pmBaghdad in ruins. New Orleans in ruins. Mississippi coastline devastated. Alabama churches torched. Where next?
Iran.
Then Syria.
But never a country that might do us direct harm. Like North Korea. China.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:54 pmMark – Iraq can’t be won militarily. Nothing in that part of the world can be won like that. We were stupid to go and even worse to stay. Sitting ducks for the home team. Hell, the longer we stay the better it looks for them (muslin radicals). The US has been incompetent from the start. Now, I’m not saying the Military are a bad bunch. On the contrary. They are doing their job. What we need to do is enact Murtha’s plan NOW.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmRemoveBush – Yes, indifference works in the thugs favor. Always has been that way. I hope for momentum. More people need to STAND UP. Here in CA-50 we got rid of the thug cunningham. Now need to replace with Francine Busby. One Congressional seat at a time.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmif his lips are moving……..only the diehard sheep will buy ANYTHING he says. Impeach x 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmI think the VP should perform us all a Public Service Announcement and tell us what medication he is on.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#31 I know that it can not be won militairily I was just wondering why we as a nation were able to field military forces numbering in the millions (don’t forget the stepped up navy and airforce) fully trained and equiped in one year and we can not even get one divisional sized (20,000) unit in iraq up to operational staus after three years.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:09 pmI don’t want Darth to die. Let him wither on the vine like unpicked fruit.
I do have one question though….Cheney has credibility?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#37 – Because if we did, then what need would we have to be over their?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:11 pmI beg to disagree.
Cheney’s credibility is not in its last throes.
It’s been long dead and buried, as far as I am concerned.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:16 pmCredibility in last throes? I don’t see anything here that hasn’t happened before, except Pace isn’t unemployed yet (to my knowledge). Cheney/Bush and MSM obfuscation have confused the public to the point that they just keep believing what they believed before. And the opposition hasn’t been able to make a clear enough case to convert anyone. The only thing that seems to have changed some minds is when the public hears one thing and sees another — as they did with Katrina and ongoing violence in Iraq. Nothing else seems to have stuck.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pm#40 , Pity it wasn’t brought to anyone’s attention sooner that Cheney was a serial fabricator
February 8th, 2006 at 2:23 pmI encourage the entire fever swamp to keep going odwn this rabbit hole, right on up to Election Day 2006. The Dems will never win on national security and the war on terror. The GOP already has that territory covered.
One clear fact stands out: since 9/11 American voters have rejected every attempt to turn away from our fight with the terrorists. Given the choice, Americans have chosen battle, and a commitment to victory, every time. They will not trust the Dems until the Dems prove themselves capable of leading in this fight.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:31 pmbeep52 exactly, and then people like Whackjob try to referee the domain of reasonable people. You know , gosh I’m just agreeing with the American people. Then it corners the complainant and never answers the question . Shun the treasonous questioner. We just can’t tell you what we can’t tell you. Did he say what country the Iraqi soldiers were in various places?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#42 TtT,
Thanks for that link. I had forgotten about all the lies told to justify the first Gulf War, like the fact that they used the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter to testify that she witnessed Iraqi soldiers taking newborn infants out of their incubators and leaving them on the floor to die. No such atrocity really happened, and I’m pretty sure that no one got in trouble for that theatrical lie.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:33 pmWe spent 20 YEARS training and equipping ARVN only to have it fall apart like a house of cards. You really think the Iraqi version is going to be better? The cowardly chickenhawks who created this mess have NO BALLS!!! They refused to put their bodies where their mouths are, then say “bring it on” from the safety of the White House, mighty damn brave of them. No wonder they have a credibilty gap wider than the Grand Canyon. As a Vietnam-era veteran, this is deja vu, Iraq is the NEW VIETNAM. I would not believe Bush or Cheney if either one of them said that day is light and night is dark. Let them and their kids fight in Iraq, I’m sitting this one OUT!! HELL NO, I WON’T GO!!!! No Iraqi ever did anything against me, so I will not go fight him, nor should anyone else. TO ALL GI’S AND OTHERS JOINING THE MILITARY, REFUSE ORDERS TO IRAQ, THIS IS AN ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, AND UNJUST WAR. CITE THE NUREMBERG PRINCIPLES AND REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN WAR CRIMES.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:34 pmbsr swilling the Kool-Aide. Again.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI’ve noticed that no matter what the Administration says, the Left says they’re lying.
Cheney could say the sky was blue, and the Left would swear Cheney was lying because the sky was cloudy the next day.
All this finger pointing “He’s lying” stuff is getting quite old. Also, all the ignorant and asinine comments about Halliburton and eating babies or puppies is old and busted. Y’all can do better, I’m sure of it! Heck, I count on it.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:38 pmI came across this golden oldie:
“Cheney blast media on Iraq / Al Queda link”
February 8th, 2006 at 2:38 pmI mean, what’s a quasi-human cyborg have to do to pitch a lie around here?
BSR
just how long do we have to listen to your outpouring? it’s a simple fact that a primate such as yourself retains the imprints of your republican masters long after they themselves have stopped using them. no doubt you are still believing that saddam hussein was involved in 9/11 even though that lie served its useful purpose and is no longer referred to. i pity you. you are a robot who has been programmed to spout lies, nonsense, and abuse, whenever it encounters something that disagrees with its own highly simplistic worldview. i suppose in a lighter moment, i might envy you the clarity of your completely black-and-white approach to the world.
one final note, the continual judgment you engage in, in jungian terms, is a product of resorting to feeling, the good/bad reaction. this is why you can’t get a single nuance into the mix, because everything you say is simply a product of a strong emotional reaction.
if cheney announces 2+2=5 is essential to fighting the terrorists, you’ll be denouncing democrats who insist that it’s still 4. sir, you are a clown.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:41 pmOh yeah man, this war in Iraq is going so well that is why Bushlandia is sending in un-trained navy personnel to take over the sloggers jobs.
Makes sense to me, since we are winning and all, and the fact that the Iraqis have stepped up, with what, over 100 battalions.
Whey we will be able to claim victory in Iraq in nothing flat.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:43 pmimatt – it must hurt to hear the truth? Shall I list all of the lies that this administration has told Congress and the American people?
The Republicans had no problem executing articles of impeachment against Clinton for lying under oath on a personal matter. Yet, you won’t do anything about a president committing MURDER on thousands of our troops, and other countries citizens. You don’t have a problem with him spying on American people in their own homes.
Tell me what has this administration told the truth about? Can you tell me one thing?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#48 imatt,
Okay, I respect your opinion. For the record, if Vice President Cheney came out and said “The sky is blue,” I would be heartened at the thought that perhaps he is capable of being honest.
But this White House administration, and this president in particular (going back to his days in Texas), have a well-documented history of distorting the truth and telling the public things that are simply not true. This is why we don’t believe anything they say. Because they’ve been proven to be lying so many times before.
If it weren’t for the mountain of their falsehoods that have been revealed, I could understand someone giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Trust is earned, not just given. And these people have been taking advantage of the trusting nature of most people. They have not earned the right to be trusted.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#48 – they’re counting on righties being tired of it, that it will just be noise. If they tell their lies and falsehoods over and over, it just becomes truth. They are manufacturing reality and the MSM and conservatives are letting them get away with it. Instead of telling liberals to come up with something, perhaps you should hold the people you voted into office accountable.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:45 pmAnd under whose watch did 9/11 happen? And what was the name of that (apparently ignored) PDB dated August 6, 2001? (hint: it contained the words “bin Laden”, “determined”, “to”, “strike”, “within”, “the”, and “U.S.”) And what did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Which president has had long-standing connections with Saudi royalty, including the bin Laden family? Which administration told FBI Deputy Director John O’Neill to back off of his investigation of links to terrorism in Afghanistan in the SUMMER OF 2001???
February 8th, 2006 at 2:47 pmif cheney announces 2+2=5 is essential to fighting the terrorists, you’ll be denouncing democrats who insist that it’s still 4. sir, you are a clown.
Comment by kingfelix — February 8, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
I was about to flame BS Red with the same thought when I scrolled down and found yours. Amen.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:48 pmTo be honest king felix I don’t think any of your percieved reproaches of the VP are any where near the level of radioactivity I endured while the GOP was off running to the Justice dept to determine what if any power the former first lady(HRC) had.. This is purely Newton’s third law. I like a government on their toes not on mine.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:48 pmTerrytheTurtle,
yep, he has a long history of making up things, and telling bold-faced lies. Like this statement:
Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday the evidence is “overwhelming” that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, and he said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were “irresponsible.”
Cheney blasts media on al Qaeda-Iraq link
Followed up by:
“The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there’s a connection between Iraq and 9/11…”
Misleading Assertions Cover Iraq War and Voting Records
More fact-check on Cheney’s prevarications here:
February 8th, 2006 at 2:51 pmPolitical animal
#48 it all comes down to how frequently CHeany and other memebrs of the adminsitration say one thing then the opposite is found to be true. On top of that it is how often they are factually shown to not be telling the truth and continue to not tell the truth in the face of evidence contrary to what they are saying. Take the Atta/Iraq/Prague story as an example. This is the boy who cried Wolf story. At somepoint they may tell the truth, but will have lied so often that the general population (except for the radical right and dead enders who believe everything) and the public will nto listen anymore.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:56 pm52:
The entire congress voted and said there was enough evidence for Bush to declare war on Saddam. This tiny fact always seems to be either left out or highly distorted. When you have a close personal friend (like I do) that has been there in iraq before, during and after the major operations, then and only then can you have the knowledge to say whether Cheney is lying about improvement in Iraq. Otherwise your information is maximum second hand.
53: Thanks for having a rational comment in response. Few have the capability (or at least show it!). While I don’t agree with the idea of a “well-documented history of distorting the truth,” I do respect that Trust is Earned. The difference in Clinton and Bush is that Clinton lied under oath… Bush acted upon information that the entire congress had stamped approval on. If Bush is to be impeached on this, the entire congress (both sides) would have to be impeached beforehand.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDC Dick has about as much credibility as “Baghdad Bob.”
February 8th, 2006 at 3:01 pmimatt – And we have found that a large portion of that information provided to Congress to make that decission was fabricated to provide the decission that the WH wanted.
It has been PROVEN that the WH provided slim if not innacurate information when the ENTIRE intelligence agency was saying otherwise. Who are we to believe? The intelligence agency or the WH? Obviously the WH knew who would be believed so they had to fabricate the information so Congress would rubber stamp the war.
Do some research and you will find that most, if not all, of the information provided to congress has been found to be false.
Oh, and by the way….. I have served in the military and I know how it should work. Have you served? If not, then don’t go lecturing me on knowledge of something that you don’t have direct knowledge of.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:03 pmi think the right-wingers who simply Believe in the administration are beyond hope. they are the vegetable people in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, whose proxy votes prevent act as a brake on change. the only way to win is to outnumber them, not to convert them. of course, it doesn’t help that their votes appear to get counted 17 times, etc, when they vote in a Republican cesspool state like Ohio of Florida.
i think there needs to be a movement for shadow ballot boxes at the Congressional Elections by progressives, to match the total against the declared result. it might not stop extra republican votes being added on, but it would help stop democrat votes being chalked off.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:03 pmi think the Cheney Bees are here to protect his delicate reputation. The real frustration for them is not about Liberals, it’s about the GOP Presidential nominee for 08. Just shy of a catastrophic event that would detail the President leaving office prior to the election this will be the Event. Man I can’t wait, the Democrats just run as anti GOP and then just pick a poster child for malfeseance, corruption, law breaker dujour, and paint the whole GOP,what is going to be left by the convention? This is why they’re here to test their own loyalty.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:05 pm62: It’s great that you served in the military, I applaud you. I am not preaching on how things should be run… however have you been to Iraq? Have you spoken first hand with an unbiased person who was there? This is like someone in the military today claiming they know all about places they’ve never been – all they know is what they’re told by the NYTimes.
And where was it PROVEN that it was the White House that fabricated evidence?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#60
the congress voted on the basis of the information they were given. they believed the administration’s story. now they don’t. why? because the story turns out to be a pack of lies. now why don’t you understand something as simple as that? does it make your head hurt?
on same subject, jesus, i wonder how some of these republicans relate to their partners. if my wife told as many blatant lies as george bush, we’d have divorced a long time ago! but republicans just keep on truckin’ with King Liar!
February 8th, 2006 at 3:08 pmSo is it Pace or Cheney telling the lies here, any Repubs want to tell me? Stay on track here.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:12 pmImatt your #60 about #53WAS’ response, Your point about Clinton and Bush is straight out of an ad for the FRC, etc. Clinton’s mistake was accepting to give sworn testimony. The Attorney General and Sen. Ted Stevens have made a mockery of the Senate. But hey at least no one lied under oath.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:13 pmimatt,
I like your stuff on Exxon on your website. But your name, as an avid Apple customer, I notice all the Apple rip-offs.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:16 pmimatt – I believe your president came out and said, along with Cheney, that the information was incorrect. They did this on TV.
They had to do this because the information was incorrect to begin with. Why do you think that “Phase II” of the WMD investigation has not been completed? It’s over 2 years and the report is nowhere closer to being done.
By the way….. I dont read NYtime. Also, your comment “This is like someone in the military today claiming they know all about places they’ve never been – all they know is what they’re told by the NYTimes.” shows how illinformed you are. The military operates the same whether it is in America, Germany, or Iraq. The soldiers are trianed the same. The tactics might change because of the enviroment, but the approach is the same. Your anology is no where close.
I don’t need to be there to see that our position in Iraq is bad and we are losing. I don’t need to be there to know that the General told Bush before the war that they would need 400,000 troops to be sucessful. But you wouldnt know about that because you have never spent an entire night in a fox hole protecting your ground.
These are things that largely people who have direct knowledge in can see, or at least those who are truely open to the truth.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYes, and George Washington used electronic survaillence.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:20 pmBush acted upon information that the entire congress had stamped approval on. If Bush is to be impeached on this, the entire congress (both sides) would have to be impeached beforehand.
Comment by imatt — February 8, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
It’s been widely reported that the White house did not share all its intelligence with Congress. Think Progress has done a great coverage on the issue:
Bush Resurrects False Claim That Congress Had “Same Intelligence” On Iraq
Congress was misled to vote for the Iraq war based on what the Bush administration knew was faulty intelligence.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#48 imatt
Unfortunately its the “boy who cried wolf” effect. Once you get caught in so many lies, even when you tell the truth, its not believed.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:27 pmIraq Progress…
You’d think if they’re going to work from “talking points”, that somebody could make sure everbody gets on the same page. You just can’t explain stuff like this away easily….
February 8th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#60
imatt,
Bush will never testify under oath, he gets out of it.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:33 pm70: You WOULD need to be there to know if the media was giving the straight of it. THAT was my point. Congress can say “hey, we’re sorry we got faulty intelligence” and be forgiven, but the President cannot? Double standard.
69: I’ve had the domain for several years. Try finding a 5-letter domain name that actually spells something! That was the reason for adding “I” in the name. You still going to be an apple customer now that they’re going to use Intel guts? (totally unrelated…)
68: What’s FRC? I’ve never seen nor heard that on an ad, anywhere. It’s common sense.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#76
Sure I will still be an Apple customer, It’s the OS that’s important not the “guts”.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:36 pm72: By congress stamping approval, they said they knew all they needed to know.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:36 pm77: Good for you! I admire Apple now more than ever, since OSX is BSD based and runs on Intel.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:37 pm70: You WOULD need to be there to know if the media was giving the straight of it. THAT was my point. Congress can say “hey, we’re sorry we got faulty intelligence†and be forgiven, but the President cannot? Double standard.
Bush, as part of his job, directs intelligence activities and decides what intelligence is shown to Congress, the American people, and the world.
Cheney pushed for this war. He impugned the patriotism, common sense, and knowledge of history of anyone who disagreed. This makes him far more culpable than someone who said after 9/11 maybe this guy knows something we don’t. Cheney also said his critics had not seen the same intelligence he had. Cheney said that flat out.
Bottom line: Invading Iraq was Bush’s decision. If you think he can be forgiven for 2,300 American soldiers dead, 17,000 wounded, countless Iraqis (innocent or otherwise), $300 billion and counting, and al Qaeda still standing, then bully for you. You must be a truly forgiving person.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:43 pmimatt – it’s not double standard when the information is INTENTIONALLY provided falsely. Please take a step back and look at what your saying.
By your analogy, I can go into a store and steel an item. When I get caught, I can simply say I’m sorry and I will be let go?
Think about what your saying.
What congress did is like this: They were handed the stolen property and passed it along. Then they got busted for passing the property along. Now they are just as guilty because they did not check to see if the property was stolen, but they are much less responsible for the crime than the person that stole the property and passed it along.
Now do you get it?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:45 pmCongress can say “hey, we’re sorry we got faulty intelligence” and be forgiven, but the President cannot? Double standard.
Comment by imatt — February 8, 2006 @ 3:34 pm
It is not double-standard because it was the White House that provided Congress with the faulty intelligence in question.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:45 pmHow gung ho would you be if you weren’t allowed to carry a gun. Are they just supposed to dog pile on the closest insurgent?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:45 pm“72: By congress stamping approval, they said they knew all they needed to know.
Comment by imatt ”
NO! They said we believe the information you have provided us, we will take your word and we approve this based upon the information you have given us.
GEEZE! this is basic stuff man!
February 8th, 2006 at 3:46 pmimatt, it’s an interesting argument that we cannot hold Bush responsible for his decision because too many others might also be implicated.
But that’s classic Karl Rove Strategy, isn’t it?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:46 pmBy congress stamping approval, they said they knew all they needed to know.
Comment by imatt — February 8, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
If you are deceived into buying a defective item (whatever it is), it’s called fraud.
By you paying for it, are you accepting you know all you need to know? Hardly.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:47 pmFamily Research Council http://www.frc.org/. What does Bill Clinton lying under oath have to do with whether President Bush broke US laws. Why did they try to amend the FISA statue in July of 02 if this program doesn’t need FISA? The attorney gerneral really could have been answering honestly about one or more programs and if the Senate didn’t know exactly what program was operating how could they ever line up the right questions. The no sworn testimony thing will IMHO be a corner the GOP has painted itself into for eternity. What does Bill Clinton lying under oath have to do with President Bush breaking the law?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:47 pmOf course, the fact that we’ve got a republican controlled house, senate and presidency should be noted here too.
Yeah, I’m PO’d at the spineless demos who voted to allow Bush/Cheney to invade Iraq as well, but it has been established that the intelligence they saw in the runup was limited and “cherry picked” by the administration.
I guess it’s the same argument as, “hey, my parents said it was OK to go out tonight so it’s their fault I ripped off this BMW and drove it into a tree”.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:48 pm#43
Yes, American voters. You mean Americans. We are all against the terrorists, we just think Bush is doing a terrible job. Here, this is simple.
How to kill Osama:
DO NOT attack anymore countries. Put to together a special forces unit to go kick his ass. We can find him and kill him. The world has said that we can do that. Kill Zwahiri the same way. Then send more special forces units out to kill off the other leaders.
Get the hell out of Iraq. They are having a civil war and need to sort it out themselves.
Stop using American taxpayers money to fix Iraq. They have plaenty of oil to pay for all of the damage that they cause to their own country.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:49 pmI was just wondering why we as a nation were able to field military forces numbering in the millions (don’t forget the stepped up navy and airforce) fully trained and equiped in one year and we can not even get one divisional sized (20,000) unit in iraq up to operational staus after three years.
We had the same problem in Vietnam. Later we found out, they just didn’t like us much and weren’t keen on fighting our war.
Now I would never suggest Iraq bears any resemblance to Vietnam of course (that would be moonbattery, wouldn’t it?). I’m merely suggesting this “last throes” phase of the conflict could last for some time.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:50 pm#52 the administration and the right arranged for the vote to be right before electiosn thus makign it as much politcal as it was for national security. Had the vote occured after the elections, the results may very well have been different. On top of that there was very little true debate of the issues.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:52 pmoops SHB #60
February 8th, 2006 at 3:53 pmAmerican voters have rejected every attempt to turn away from our fight with the terrorists.
Except we did re-elect a man who said he doesn’t think much about catching bin Laden.
Sounds like turning away to me.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:53 pmThe evidence presented to Congress was based on a forgery from Italy. Do you read anything current or are you still readin the headlines from 2002?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:54 pmimatt I guess you don’t ever complain about anything Bush does as President. After all, by voting for him you said you knew all you needed to know.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:55 pmWho said Bush has the power to declare war?
Oh right. His supporters.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:56 pmCheney is the man!
February 8th, 2006 at 4:00 pmI am amazed at the arrogance of this admin. What were they thinking, did they honestly think that Iraqi people would welcome us with joy, be able to be trusted with weapons and machinery. The Iraqis and most other middle eastern people have thousands of years of reasons not to like us, it’s in their genetics not to like us. Its like the hundreds of years of breeding animals to be behaviorally friendly, (dogs, cats), except in reverse. Now it’s part of the problem. We cannot give them tanks and shit because we don’t trust them. That is why there is no end in sight, and never will be in dealing with the middle east.
Or maybe they knew it anyway, and had other motives to go in, duh.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:05 pmMany people from the middle east, obviously don’t care about dying for their cause. This negates the power of war. Our form of war has always counted on the enemy being afraid to die. These enemies aren’t afraid to die. We just lose our own people and resources by warring with them. It seems to make more sense to allocate those resources to protecting our own borders, and protecting other ways people come into the country, as well as making as many friends around the world as possible, which makes them look bad, and us like the good guy. And supporting Isreal as the strategic location in the middle east to gather intelligence, take out rising threats, etc.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:12 pmAlso Imatt I too have had many friends serve over there. My little town has had in excess of 60 people serve over there including one who was KIA (friendly fire March 23rd 2003).
AND
The congressional vote was to authorise force if UN inspections failed etc… we, the US pretty much kicked the un out in the week prior to the war begining. But that is neither here nor there as president Bush has repeatedly said that he would have gone to war with Iraq regardless of WMD existing or not. Why would he say this? What could his reasons possibly be?
February 8th, 2006 at 4:13 pm#76 The president and his minions continually say that congress had the same information that the administration had, and that in itself is a lie. Congress did not have the same information, not even close. For instance the administration had information that Iraq had not tried to purchase Yellow Cake from Niger, but Congress did not. A more accurate statement might be that the administration had every bit of information that congress had…and more. But the converse of that statement is not true at all.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:19 pmYes, American voters. You mean Americans. We are all against the terrorists, we just think Bush is doing a terrible job.
Actually, I mean what I said: American voters. Frankly, theirs are the only opinions that count, since by definition the rest of America is too lazy to go to the polls.
[NOTE: BTW, that's one of the persistent problems with all the MSM opinion polls: they don't account propoerly for likely voters, and they are too often weighted toward liberals or otherwise uninformed Americans who tend not to go ot the polls. The voters who count are the voters who vote.]
As for our tactics in the war on terror, there would be precious little chance of catching UBL, or any other al Qaeda leader, without warrantless electronic surveillance. That’s exactly the kind of “hot pursuit” the NSA performs. Blind the NSA and al Qaeda will hit us again where we live, instead of us hitting them where they live.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:33 pm68: And by buying the product, you too have committed a crime.
Nowhere does any credible source say that “Bush made things up.” It says that Bush recieved faulty intelligence, believed it, and presented it to congress. “The White House” cannot find out information on it’s own – it takes other intelligence organizations to get said information. Where should the responsibility truly lie? With those that presented the information to the White House. The CIA, FBI and NSA.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:49 pm#102 come off it Blue State Redcoat:
1. The FBI has said that the warrantless program has yielded almost nothing at all
February 8th, 2006 at 4:52 pm2. It’s not the surveillance that is at issue but the lack of a warrant per the law laid down by FISA and the 4th Amendment of the Constitution
3. The government could have done ‘hot pursuit’ surveillance and used the 72hour retroactive window to get the warrant UNDER THE LAW – they did not, and their actions prior to this being discovered was to say that they were getting warrants (Chimpy, your pants are on fire)
4. Are you saying that with a warrantless wiretap, then Osama would have been caught at Tora-Bora? Surely you jest.
#60:
Imatt,
You said the follwing in your comment: “The entire congress voted and said there was enough evidence for Bush to declare war on Saddam. This tiny fact always seems to be either left out or highly distorted. When you have a close personal friend (like I do) that has been there in iraq before, during and after the major operations, then and only then can you have the knowledge to say whether Cheney is lying about improvement in Iraq. Otherwise your information is maximum second hand.”
The Congress did in fact vote on whether or not to grant the President the authorization to use military force. You fail to mention, however, that they voted yea on said resolution for one reason and one reason alone: Sadaam’s alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction (which the administration lied to Congress about. They had evidence to the contrary and chose to cherry pick the intel they had to paint a picture that simply was not reality.) Let me lay that out for you in a little more mundane and simple terms: the administration (to paraphrase Paul Wolfowitz) told Congress and the American people that we needed to go to war with Iraq because Sadaam was ammassing WMDs and was an imminent threat (neither of which was true!) because it was, “the easiest way to sell the war”. It’s been a whitewash job from the start!
To your second point, you have a close personal friend who was there and yet your knowledge is, somehow, better than second hand? I am a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), Operations Noble Anvil and Noble Eagle (Kosovo) and many others. I have been there and I’m here to tell you that the Vice President’s remarks both here and in the past attempting to paint a rosy picture of the situation on the ground in Iraq are so farcical as to be comical if it wasn’t such a serious matter. Until you have friends that you know will be coming home in a flag draped box because you’ve watched them take their last breath you haven’t earned the right to talk about anyone else’s perspective or right to give their opinion on this matter. For Christ’s sake, we’re now making our troops pay for the lost body armor that was cut off of them during the treatment of their injuries in the field. This administration shows more disdain and disregard for the men and women who serve under the Stars and Stripes than any other in history. Just because you can wave a flag doesn’t mean you have the right to sully it through your actions, no matter what rhetoric you spout. This is a lesson that the President and Vice President are invariably going to learn (allbeit probably the hard way). Enough empty pontificating and bloviating about what a “success” Iraq has and will continue to be. The simple reality is that the war in Iraq has been nothing but a complete clusterf*ck from the word go. We had no business being there in the first place (even Bush Sr. was smart enough to know better than to try to take and hold Baghdad but then he listened to his military advisors). Every time, I repeat EVERY TIME, we have had a decision to make in Iraq, we’ve made the WRONG decision. That makes those of us who have considered themselves military professionals at some point in our lives, question EVERYTHING espoused by this band of miscreants that is mismanaging our government to the point of collapse (the repetitive lying doesn’t help either). Now you have a 1st hand account to balance the hearsay you spouted earlier. Hope this has been of service to you.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#105 – Oh and Alberto ‘Torquemada’ Gonzales lieed to Congress about it.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:53 pmJesus BSR, nothing you post makes any sense.
Where do you come up with they can’t find OBL w/o warrentless searches.
Get This Right For The Last Time: We aren’t against anyone listening to OBL’s phone calls or e-mails, hell we’d be overjoyed if they crank called him a dozen pizza’s delivered with canadian bacon…. It’s the American phone calls we don’t like.
They are data mining. They’ve admitted it. They are listening to your calls too.
Your argument makes no logical sense. The conclusion isn’t backed up by your stated arguments.
You just want a totalitarian republican run state. Tell you what… MOVE TO CHINA DUMBASS! You’d love it there.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:54 pmBSR,
February 8th, 2006 at 4:57 pmIf W had invested as much in border protection as he has in Iraq, our borders would be impervious to terror. The technologies are there and have been there since the 1960’s. Until now (and I mean up to today), they have not been put into place. Before 9/11, because we relied on our oceans for protection. After 9/11, because W’s priorities lay with his benefactors.
#106
TtT,
I think every f*cking one of them (AG Gonzo especially) should be forced to endure the other side of their rhetoric. I’d like to see every last one of them dropped into Tikrit or Falujah with 30 rounds, inadequate body armor, 1 canteen, a map, and a compass and be forced to make their way to the airport in Baghdad (the most dangerous stretch of road on the planet).
Not a one of them would know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the ass. My only hope is my certainty in the knowledge that Karma is a bitch. They’ll get theirs some day (I just hope I’m around to see it). 32 of my friends have died for this f*cking fiasco and my outrage meter has been overwhelmed for 2 years now. Every time I see any of them speak, I keep expecting the sky to part and a lightning bolt to smite them where they stand. It’s really shaken my faith (which was shaken like a good martini before this nightmare) that it hasn’t happened yet. One can only hope the FSM will smite them with his noodly appendage soon!
February 8th, 2006 at 5:04 pmFor a look at a 1960’s ABM system, use the following link -
February 8th, 2006 at 5:06 pmhttp://www.astronautix.com/lvs/sprint.htm
Notice the success rate!
Green 917 –
It does my little heart good to hear an actual soldier speak the truth. None of this “my friend is in Iraq, so my opinion is worth more” or even Bill :O’Reilly’s “My nephew is writing service orders in Kuwait – don’t you dare denigrate his service!”
I notice that imatt doesn’t mention his military credentials?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#110
Let’s look at the real success rate:
Missile Defence Shield Test Fails
Regardless, the Pentagon has FAR more pressing matters to spend our money on than a program that has been scrapped a dozen times because of its ineffectiveness. How about we spend those MILLIONS on getting our troops in the field the armor they deserve and need, rebuilding our debilitated equipment stores, retraining personnel to alleviate some of the deployment burdens placed on our combat proffessionals, etc. etc. I could go on and on. This budget they have proposed is not only a farce, it is a slap in the face to every military proffessional who has bled in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan in the last 5 years. A quote keeps coming to mind lately, “At long last have you no sense of decency sir? Have you no shame?” Rumsfeld is the biggest incompetent in a slew of incompetents in this misAdministration and he should be strung up by his nuts for the damage he has done to our military and, by proxy, our national security!
February 8th, 2006 at 5:17 pm#109 green917
I just wanted to say thank you for your service to our country. I’m sorry for the loss of your friends. I’m also sorry that our government felt it was necessary to lie to us in order to have you sent over there.
Please stay safe and know that no matter what you hear from the conservatives, ALL Americans want all of our soldiers to come home safe and victorious. No matter what, we’re all still proud of each and every one of you.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:18 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
February 8th, 2006 at 5:19 pmThe presence of 300,000 foreign troops in the ME, mostly American, is helping to destabilize the region…
#111
Agnok,
Thank you for you kind words. I was keenly aware that he didn’t list any credentials other than “I have a friend…blah blah blah” which was what compelled me to post.
Green
February 8th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#113
Wayne,
Thank you for your kind words and, although I am no longer in the military, I have spent the last year and a half making sure that all of my friends who are still in know exactly those things that you espoused so kindly with your words to me here. I will pass along your sentiment to them all and, know, that we progressives are making progress in the military. There are more and more troops every day who realize that they can’t trust the lies of the right (particularly when they know 1st hand the reality) and are coming over to the side of rationality and sensibility. Thank you again!
Green
February 8th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#112 – green917,
February 8th, 2006 at 5:27 pmThe Sprint had a success rate of like 95%. If you ever saw one of these babies take off, you’d have to change your pants. They were at like mach 5 in about 2 or 3 seconds and got up to mach 10. The ABM treaty killed them, not technology and they were relatively inexpensive as well.
Those people who say that the world is round are followers of Michael Moore and the looney left. I know for a fact that the world is flat and the sunrise is an optical illusion, Dick Cheney told me so.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:32 pmBlue state red …
Where is Osama? Oh that is right… you are good buddies with his friends in Saudi Arabia. You are not interested where Osama is… you dont think about him much any more. You guys got this terrorism thing all covered…
February 8th, 2006 at 6:02 pm#119 – green917,
February 8th, 2006 at 6:30 pmI am not trying to abase you, just pointing out that the DoD has already paid for the development of weapons and then pays for new development for one that duplicates the old one less effectively. The W-66 is a tact-nuke. It’s stockpiled in an arsenal somewhere. I think that the specs and prints for the 1st stage: Hercules X-265 solid-fueled rocket and 2nd stage: Hercules X-271 solid-fueled rocket are stored somewhere. This baby could take out both the warhead and any decoys along for the ride. Why shovel money into the defense industry for development when a purchase order would suffice?
#121,
It justifies their existence, and helps their contracting buddies make more $.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:49 pm119,
Making nukes to begin with is coming back to bite us, that shit has eventually made it to places we don’t want it to be. And so will new, smaller ones eventually also. Greed allows this to happen. Eventually someone, somewhere will be bought off to sell the technology. It’s funny that greed comes back to bite the Repubs in that way, when greed is what they are all about.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:52 pmOh yeah, greed is one of those “seven deadly sins” I think whoever wrote that was on to something. Too bad the neo-con greed mongers can’t even follow the quick reference guide to their Bible.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:54 pmThe W-66 is basicly an artillery shell. It is small! Blast radius at 20 miles is about 3000 feet.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:56 pmThat’s 20 miles up.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:58 pmJust curious.
When did this site turn into “Jane’s Defense Weekly”? :)
February 8th, 2006 at 7:02 pmWayne, see Jane – you’ll mellow. :-)
February 8th, 2006 at 7:05 pmWayne,
February 8th, 2006 at 7:26 pmDoes Jane put up a defense weekly or weakly? I had to say it.
Speaking of credibility, it is almost unbelievable how the rationale towards Iraq has changed over time.
At the beginning, anyone who took arms against the US occupation was either a dead-ender, or a terrorist with whom any negotiation was impossible:
“[A]s we’ve seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, the dead-enders are still with us, those remnants of the defeated regimes who’ll go on fighting long after their cause is lost.”
–Defence Sec. Ronald Rumsfeld, during a talk with the Veterans of Foreign Wars
“Our immediate task around the world and in Iraq and Afghanistan is to bring those terrorists to justice. See, you can’t talk sense to them. You can’t negotiate with terrorists. You can’t sit back and hope that somehow therapy will work and they will change their ways.”
–Pres Bush, during a talk in Waukesha, Wisconsin
And now we learn that negotiations with those same “terrorists” and “dead-enders” have been underway for quite some time:
“We want things from the U.S. side, stopping misconduct by U.S. forces, preventing Iranian intervention,” said one prominent insurgent leader from a group called the Army of the Mujahedin, who refused to be named because of the delicacy of the discussions. “We can’t achieve that without actual meetings.”
U.S. intelligence officials have had back-door channels to insurgent groups for many months.
Exclusive: Direct Talks—U.S. Officials and Iraqi Insurgents
“U.S. officials have met figures from some Sunni Arab insurgent groups but have so far not received any commitment for them to lay down their arms, Western diplomats in Baghdad and neighboring Jordan said Wednesday.(…)
The meetings, described as being in the initial stage, have not included members of al-Qaida in Iraq or like-minded religious extremists, the diplomats said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.”
U.S. Officials Meet Iraq Insurgent Groups
Flip-flops anyone?
February 8th, 2006 at 7:35 pmHOLY FREAKING CRAP.
Did anyone just see Chris Matthews take Torie Clarke out for a ride on HARDBALL?
HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!!!!
I have never seen a better, more coherent rant on the lies that led to the war in Iraq by a news reporter, EVER!
It was unbelievable. Anyone who missed it, should really try and see the repeat.
NOW THATS HARDBALL!!!
February 8th, 2006 at 8:01 pmCheney should be impeached first. We can get to Bush later. It wouldn’t be very hard to find grounds for impeachment. First is the pentagon e-mail from March 2003 saying that Cheney’s office had approved another no bid contract awarded to Halliburton. Second is that Cheney retains stock options in Halliburton. Third, while he was CEO of Halliburton he approved a change in the accounting method that overstated earnings,but failed to notify investors. Fourth, as Halliburton CEO, he paid bribes to Nigerian officials to avoid paying taxes. All of these are easily proved high crimes warranting impeachment. He has undoubtibly committed many more crimes which should be investigated. The only reason he is still in office is that Congress dosen’t care. The only way to change that is to change who is in Congress. I am going to be doing my part by giving my time and money to my Senator Maria Cantwell.
February 8th, 2006 at 8:45 pmIf Cheney were Pinocchio, his nose would be circling the globe at least once–possible twice–by now.
February 8th, 2006 at 9:33 pmEvery time I hear him speak, I recall Mary McCarthy’s famous statement about Lillian Hellman: “Every word she writes is a lie, including ‘and’ and ‘the’.” Although I might allow Cheney his ‘and’s and ‘the’s, I find it hard to believe that Hellman could have been a worse liar than Dickhead.
My only consolation is what my mother always said when someone got away with illegal or immoral acts, they will get theirs in the end, The devil must be working overtime preparing a just place for Mr. Cheney and Bush
February 8th, 2006 at 10:12 pmMy only consolation is what my mother always said when someone got away with illegal or immoral acts, they will get theirs in the end, The devil must be working overtime preparing a just place for Mr. Cheney and Bush
Comment by Clif — February 8, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
Clif, what about those of us who don’t believe in afterlives? A prison cell with a big scary Muslim? :)
February 8th, 2006 at 10:34 pmSince an Iraqi unit can take the lead with US help, there’s not any contradiction at all in those two statements.
How stupid and/or dishonest can poor Payson possibly be?
February 8th, 2006 at 10:46 pmLol > Cheney never had any credibility his entire life!
February 8th, 2006 at 10:49 pmHe is one of the meanest most corrupt thugs who ever lived!
Impeach him before he nukes Iran and causes nuclear WWIII!
unbelievable just think what it must be like living in Dick Cheney’s skin 24-7, and until his little aluminum ticker shorts out he’s stuck with himself, probably waks up looks in the mirror and hates the world all over again, no wonder both bush and cheney were drunks the only way they could stand themselves
February 8th, 2006 at 11:02 pmUh, do they make a pacemaker for the brain? These guys make Nixon look positively quaint.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:45 pm#137 – Jay Randal,
February 9th, 2006 at 12:10 amThat is my concern. I would like to leave some progeny. W and Dickie are arming for Armageddon. Why Dickie needs all that moola in the afterlife escapes me. I doubt if it would influence Satan.
Post 140 > I think Cheney is so evil he thinks Satan is a pussy compared to himself! Frankly both Dick and George are souless, so they do not even think about the future! Makes me think of another souless couple > Hitler and Himmler!
February 9th, 2006 at 12:25 amPresident Bush has flip-flopped once again. Just 24 hours after Vice President Cheney firmly declared the administration would not more broadly share information with key Congressional committee members regarding Bush’s NSA domestic spying program, the White House reversed course – sort of.
For the full story, see:
February 9th, 2006 at 1:10 am“The White House Flip-Flops on NSA Program Oversight.”
GAWD
I LOVE IT WHEN WE CAN SEE
ALL THE BITS OF INFORMATION
AND PLAY CONNECT THE DOTS?
AND DON’T IT LOOK UGLY.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:57 amehehehehe, what else is new. For christians, Bush and Cheney don’t seem to have too much of a problem with lying, killing, manipulating and breaking apart the great nation that gave them the life they dreamed of. “I’m a uniter”, “I’ll do everything I can to fix New Orleans”, “I will better our education system”, “I will fight terrorism”, “I will help EVERY American”, “I will strengthen the economy”. All lies and jokes to me, they crank me up every time he says them, and he says these sentences A LOT! Bush wouldn’t know the definition of ‘economy’ if he could read it off a cardboard. Real economy is to guard the world for everyone in it, so we can all live at an equal level for many ages to come…. Speaking of intelligent design, malignant design is a far better definition of the process that got these men where they are. The American voter should know it’s his bad the world will go to pieces.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:21 amWarfeus,
Did you see “The Daily Show” on Tuesday? Jon Stewart spanked Torie Clark.
February 9th, 2006 at 10:16 amThe administration wouldn’t tell truth if the lies were choking them to death. Oh wait! They ARE choking them to death! Still… no truth coming from THEM. AGHHh.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:05 amThis is our country’s “leadership”.
Disgusting.
#129 WaltTheMan,
LOL. Good one. I plead the fifth.
February 9th, 2006 at 1:48 pm[...] from Think Progress [...]
February 9th, 2006 at 9:53 pmUk has 151 MPs signatures to impeach Blair. we need 200 since january weve had another 42 MP signatures ….MP’s will suddenly jump , as MPs will do this to get him nailed at the post http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
http://www.impeachblair.org/ and click Early Day Motions
we will have this in the BAG by the time bush starts war By March Blair is the loose link in the chain
February 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmBasically Most Americans are waiting for the wealth to come from stealing Iraqs oil wealth and possibly Irans too (( as in American Battle plans for Iran here http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/ archives/ 2006/ 02/ battle_plans_fo_1.html
The democrats I think dont speak out against the war because monkey boy Bush might just manage to steal all the worlds oil reserves …therefore most say morgage paying americans , workers, fear for their future …and have hidden ajendas …If Bush pulls this steal off …and America becomes rich again the democatrats will look very foolish …I think and thats why they do not speak out
February 24th, 2006 at 5:55 pm