VIDEO: Lowery Responds To Right-Wing’s ‘Politicization’ Criticisms
VIDEO: Lowery Responds To Right-Wing’s ‘Politicization’ Criticisms
Rev. Joseph Lowery appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show last night to respond to right-wing criticisms that his remarks inappropriately politicized Coretta Scott King’s funeral. Carlson told Lowery his remarks “seemed like bad manners” and were “very uncomfortable.” Lowery stood his ground. Watch it:
CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair. But again, it seemed very uncomfortable to say something like that in a funeral with the president right there. It seemed like bad manners.
LOWERY: Well, I don’t think so. I certainly didn’t intend for it to be bad manners. I did intend for it to — to call attention to the fact that Mrs. King spoke truth to power. And here was an opportunity to demonstrate how she spoke truth to power about this war and about all wars.
And I think that, in the context of the faith, out of which the movement grows, we have always opposed war. We’ve always fought poverty. And we base our — our argument on — on the faith, on the fact that Jesus taught us. He identified with the poor. “I was hungry; you didn’t feed me. I was naked; you didn’t clothe me. I was in prison; you didn’t see about me.” He talked about war. He talked about he who lives by the sword.
So I’m comfortable with the fact that I was reflecting on Mrs. King’s tenacity against war, her determination to witness against war and to speak truth to power.
Transcript continues below:
CARLSON: Were you comfortable with President Jimmy Carter`s remarks, which also seemed openly partisan and political? His reference to the domestic spying controversy now surrounding the president and to the federal government`s response to Katrina? Was that an appropriate series of remarks to give at a funeral, do you think?
LOWERY: Well, Mr. Carter is very capable of defending himself.
CARLSON: But what did you think, I`m wondering?
LOWERY: Well, I think that I`m responsible for my remarks and not Mr. Carter`s. I just think that, in speaking truth to power, if there were no fabrications and there were no deceptions, there were no misstatements or errors in fact, then I think that Mr. Carter had a right to say what he feels.
CARLSON: All right. The Reverend Joseph Lowery, joining us by phone from Atlanta tonight.
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is tucker gay?
February 8th, 2006 at 11:35 amFinally someone with the balls to speak out. Perhaps the Reverend should run for President. No one else has grown a pair.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:35 amAMEN to Rev. Lowery!
Again Rev. Lowery shows he understands the message of Jesus better than the Noe-Cons. His words were absolutely appropriate and like all prophets, he is calling the powers-that-be to account for their actions.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:42 amThe Bush war is of his making, his vendetta and greed. So far 2,262 of our best have died for his folly. I agree with the Revrend and the King legacy. Stop the war, impeach Bush and company for lies, war crimes, violations of our constitution and creating our devastating debt..Make Bush and his bunch go to the fight themselves. Bring our troops home now….Blessings
February 8th, 2006 at 11:45 amI love how every one of these whiners suddenly runs out of time when they actually get called on their lies and spin. Tucker had to end the interview so he could change his underwear. Thank you Rev. Lowery.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:47 amUm, bad manners? How about trying to write discrimination into the U.S. Constitution? How about illegally wiretapping Americans? How about not giving a shit about Katrina victims? How about lying to Americans about WMD and yellow cake uranium?
Bad manners, Tucker? As usual, you’re an idiot.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:47 amAnd I think that, in the context of the faith, out of which the movement grows, we have always opposed war. We`ve always fought poverty. And we base our — our argument on — on the faith, on the fact that Jesus taught us. He identified with the poor. “I was hungry; you didn`t feed me. I was naked; you didn`t clothe me. I was in prison; you didn`t see about me.†He talked about war. He talked about he who lives by the sword.
So I`m comfortable with the fact that I was reflecting on Mrs. King`s tenacity against war, her determination to witness against war and to speak truth to power.
The man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:48 amI am sorry to say that although it was great theatrics….it is another example/reason why the majority of Americans are not buying the leftist agenda….The rev. is a super show-man, no doubt about it, but to use the funeral forum to speak his speak is not going to win the dems or progressives any votes/sympathy….chalk it up as another mistake….another shot fired that missed its mark….
February 8th, 2006 at 11:49 amThat’s a mighty refreshing change, there. Thank goodness someone is reminding the neocons that the whole message of Christ is almost entirely opposed to the things they’re doing in his name.
Now, if only the link to the video were working…
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 am#6
I just had a picture in my mind of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rove in a firefight. All hunkered behind a low wall…Rummy says charge and no one follows and is gunned down..Cheney keels over from a heartattack…then Rove asks Bush, who just wet his pants, to shoot him in the foot.
Funny how the mind keeps one amused.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amI just can’t stand to watch pimple boy, he is BAD MANNERS to even suggest that.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amCARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amThe obvious conclusion??? Unbiased media at it’s best.
Sorry #4
February 8th, 2006 at 11:52 amMike,
Although I am not a leftist (in the traditional sense of the word), what is the agenda you refer to? One that allows open criticism of the President of the United States and his decisions? I give Bush credit for showing up to this event knowing who was going to be speaking, he handled it well shaking the hand of the Rev and laughing.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:53 amAMEN to Rev. Lowery!
Indeed. The man speaks Truth to Power. I love it. About time the MSM picks up on it … and the WingNuts don’t know what just hit them.
Jesus was very likely a black man. Jesus was indeed a radical. Jesus was indeed, oh the shock, the horror, the injustice of it all, a LIBERAL.
It must be tough being a Conservative A**hole in the US these days. It must be tough to look themselves in the mirror and realize they’re f***ed.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:55 amHoly crap, IRI. If there was any doubt as to your utter hatred, racism, and lack of understanding of the word of Jesus Christ, it has certainly been confirmed now.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:56 amI’m thinking that what may be a good idea to silence the critics, is to ask Reverend Lowery if he would be offended if the same types of remarks were to be used at his funeral. I’m willing to bet his response would be an unqualified NO! and that it’s exactly what he would want.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:57 amMike, the funeral of a political activist is one of the most appropriate places to make political statements. Even Dr. King himself said that at his funeral, he would want people to talk about his deeply held beliefs, particularly the political ones he strove to embody (”… I want you to say that day, that I tried to be right on the war question. I want you to be able to say that day, that I did try, in my life, to clothe those who were naked. I want you to say, on that day, that I did try, in my life, to visit those who were in prison. I want you to say that I tried to love and serve humanity.”)
A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and “speaking truth to power”, then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:57 amI agree with the wingnuts here screaming it was a partisan attack. On one hand you have a religious man talking about the evils of war and the injustices the poor face and on the other you have Bush and his evil agenda.
It is partisan just not political
Religious vs. Evil
February 8th, 2006 at 12:00 pmnot
Dems vs. Neo-cons
A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and “speaking truth to powerâ€, then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
Comment by Fred
Well said.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:01 pmI would like to comment as both an African American and a Democrat. First, for anyone who was surprised by the tone of Rev. Lowery’s speech, you obviously don’t know the man. He speaks his mind. And I’m sure the King kids, having grown up with him, were well aware of that. And if they’re ok, I’m ok and that’s ALL that should matter.
Second, maybe all those whiners out there should check out a southern African American funeral once and a while. They are like church…it can get rowdy, people speak the truth about the person and their life…it can feel like a revival - it’s EMOTIONAL. That’s just how we do it. Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable.
Third, read again what MLK said about what he’d want his funeral to be about - HIS LIFE and what he fought for. Safe to say, CSK wanted the same. This woman always spoke the truth, even when it was unpopular within her community(see her stance on gay marriage, among others.).
Fourth, Republicans have SOME NERVE talking about infusing religion into politics. Hello, welcome to the past few years of your leadership.
Fifth, I Right I, we don’t USE the word Negro anymore. Welcome to 2006, jackass.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:02 pmIRI,
Paid racist poster.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAny of those “offended” by this incident have completely failed to understand MLK, jr., his wife and Jesus Christ. If Christ were to return today he would be arrested, rendered, tortured and executed by our political and religious authorities in power. My, we’ve come a long way in 2000 years, haven’t we?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:04 pmSo Tucker Carlson, on his pitifully rated show, essentially says “Even though you were a friend and fellow activist, don’t you think I, Tucker Carlson, know better about what is appropriate to say in a eulogy at a funeral for a person I’ve never met and share nothing in commmon with”?
Douchebag.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#7, that’s it son, keep the fire burning (preferably in the front yard, know what I mean?)..
Got your pillow case, son? Yee-hah, let’s ride!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#26,
IRI used Negro as a substitute for the word he was trying so hard not to use. The nuance still slipped out.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:07 pmTo all of those who are opposed to people making comments on the political front that was her life, then let me ask you this.
Is it right that when a baseball, football, or anyother sports player dies that they talk about the sport that these people were so involved in?
Talking about what a person did in their life and how it affects our current life, or polotics, is suiting for thier comments don’t you think?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:07 pmIRI,
You are just proving all of us correct about you and your party when you talk like that, you arrogant, ingnorant, big baby, bully, jerkoff.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLily, you sure do FLIP-FLOP!
“CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair.
The obvious conclusion??? Unbiased media at it’s best.
Comment by Lily”
“I’m thinking that what may be a good idea to silence the critics, is to ask Reverend Lowery if he would be offended if the same types of remarks were to be used at his funeral. I’m willing to bet his response would be an unqualified NO! and that it’s exactly what he would want.
Comment by Lily”
“A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and “speaking truth to powerâ€, then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
Comment by Fred
Well said.
Comment by Lily ”
So in several posts you rip people up for supporting the notion that they brought up polotics in honor of her memory, then finally you agree with Fred about the fact that “I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.”
Which is it? Do you believe that the person should be honored in the way they lived their lives, or should people shy from talking about how they lived their lives?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:12 pmI guess that study that showed that the Republicans are racists is correct.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pmSorry, Lily….. I completely mis-read your comments….. Busy at work and glanced over and did not really read.
Please accept my FULLEST APPOLOGY!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#25,26 - yup, IRI did the cyberequivalent of putting his sheet on his head and striding down mainstreet with his torch.
#16, surprised it took that long to rumble IRI - he’s been advocating hanging people from trees, dropping nuclear weapons all over the Middle East, mysogyny, homophobia, anti-semitism… The list is too long to print.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:15 pmFor whatever reason the comments were made in such a public arena make no mistakes…the entire country is sleething at what our President has done to this country while in office…We as a nation should be mortified by the manner in which He and his constituants have handled themselves…We deserve better than the off the cuff remarks that are tossed to the media to quite the storm brewing on this situation. Do I think that Ms. King’s funeral was an appropriate arena to air such differences; well her life was just that was it not one filled with doing what was right not choosing the time or place to decide would it be right…going with her gut and following through on that…Nothing wrong with facing the person head on be it in any fashion. If he thought that there was to be no battle on this issue or any of the issues he created then he shouldnt have decieved the American public…When you invade our privacy is that not deception of great magnitude? I find myself wanting to see him gone more and more everyday for the underhanded way I think he has represented himself and this country. DM Lawson, Annapolis, Maryland
February 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmIRI - go crawl back into your 1950’s hole, you fucking racist piece of shit.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:24 pmHow many times has Bush refused to meet with the NAACP?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmJust so you know I don’t like to be called White, I prefer Caucasian
Enough of your PC BS. We’ll call you what we want and it shouldn’t offend you.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmHas anyone else figured out that IRI is a caricature?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:28 pmThere’s a way we can end the right-wing agenda in the media: stop watching it. You vote with your pocketbooks. If the advertising revenues turn to shit and the advertisers pull out, either the show/network goes bust or they rethink their strategy. It’s not hard to see that MSNBC is trying to compete with FOX News on the newfound ratings grab that the neo-con blowhards seem to attract. Chris Matthews is imitating Bill O’Reilly, Tim Russert (whom I once greatly respected and admired) has fallen down on the job, and Tucker Carlson’s been given a second chance. Tucker Carlson in particular should give an inkling as to the revolving door at the major news outlets (and Paul Begala, too). Carlson and Begala were rightfully eviscerated by Jon Stewart. Stewart successfully destroyed that program’s credibility (”Crossfire”) and it got yanked. Then these two clowns got jobs elsewhere. It’s not surprising really; the career media wonks moving from network to network is why none of our mainstream media are reliable any more. They all sound the same because they ARE the same. They are the same assholes with a new corporate nametag. And, like the neo-con lords they worship, their entire M.O. is not journalistic integrity, but self-preservation. My recommendation is to stop getting filtered news through all the corporate owned media networks. Watch CSPAN. Get your information from multiple sources on the Internet. You don’t need the talking heads to add their bullshit ‘analysis’ — think for yourself. Watch for yourself and make up your own mind!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmHas anyone else figured out that IRI is a caricature?
Has he figured that out himself?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmNo IRI, we’re not even. You don’t KNOW me, and if you DID, you’d realize that I don’t use any of those words that you wrote. Stop trying to put all black people into the box that you see on TV or the few black people you may associate with (it must be a few, because if you knew more than a few, you wouldn’t spew the stupid shyte you’re spewing.)
February 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pm#39 - I have - here he is….
February 8th, 2006 at 12:32 pmDidn’t you expect this type of outrage after the elder Bush commented he had never seen a funeral service with so much passion and involvement? Made me wonder just how truly insulated he is that he wasn’t even aware it was common place for many denominations. Seems Tucker suffers from the same insulation. (Oh, and Tucker also likes to make issues where there are none.)
February 8th, 2006 at 12:33 pmHoly crap, IRI. If there was any doubt as to your utter hatred, racism, and lack of understanding of the word of Jesus Christ, it has certainly been confirmed now.
Comment by SuperEdo
That’s what the Walking Dead have said all along, where have you been? By the way, Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah. He is in favor of equal treatment under law, working for a living, pastors who are more concerned with the soul than the bank account and killing the enemies of the Church when they threaten the flock. Naturally I can back all of that up as I have more than just a anecdotal possession of the Word of God, something you losers can’t be bothered with.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:33 pm[…] UPDATE 11:29 a.m.: Lowery responded to Tucker Carlos last night: CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair. But again, it seemed very uncomfortable to say something like that in a funeral with the president right there. It seemed like bad manners. […]
February 8th, 2006 at 12:34 pmTo all right wing Bushite al Crackers and al Cracker wannabes who felt like-tucker Carlson- that the funeral for Mrs. King was politicized and Rev. Lowery’s words were ill tempered and bad manners:
George W. Bush’s very presence at that funeral was “bad manners”…
…everything he has done since he stole the office has been the antithesis of the King legacy…
…bring Satan among the Saints, and they (the Saints) have a duty to rebuke and shame him…
February 8th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI-RIGHT-I’s idea of “men of faith” is probably more like this….
http://pandagon.net/ 2006/ 02/ 08/ why-bushs-faith-based-bs-has-little-to-do-with-faith/
Enslave the poor to enrich the already rich… in the name of god and victims of catastrophies. Why not? Nothing they can do about it right? *amen*
Hypocrite.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:44 pmTHIS IS HOW BUSH IS SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS:
Army forces wounded GI to pay for bloodied body armor
By ALLISON BARKER
Associated Press
Posted February 8 2006, 11:44 AM EST
CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A former U.S. soldier injured in Iraq says he was forced to pay $700 for a blood-soaked body armor vest that was destroyed after medics removed it to treat shrapnel wounds to his arm.
First Lt. William “Eddie” Rebrook IV, 25, had to leave the Army because of his injuries. But before he could be discharged last week, he had to scrounge up cash from his buddies to pay for the body armor or face not being discharged for months. Rebrook was billed because a supply officer failed to document that the vest had been destroyed more than a year ago as a biohazard.
“I last saw the (body armor) when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter,” Rebrook told his hometown newspaper, The Charleston Gazette. “They took it off me and burned it.”
Rebrook’s story spurred action Tuesday from U.S. Sens. Robert C. Byrd and Jay Rockefeller, both West Virginia Democrats.
“I’ve been in touch with his family, and I’ve already written (Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld) to request that they immediately refund his money and review this horrendous policy,” said Rockefeller, a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. “I’m shocked that he has been treated this way by our military.”
Byrd questioned Gen. Peter Schoomaker, chief of staff of the Army, on Tuesday during a Senate Armed Services Committee budget hearing.
“How can it be that the Defense Department, which is requesting $439 billion in this budget, has to resort to dunning a wounded soldier for $700 to replace a piece of body armor?” Byrd asked.
Schoomaker called Rebrook’s story unusual and promised Byrd to “correct it if there’s any truth to it.”
Rockefeller said he first met Rebrook when he was an ROTC cadet at a Charleston high school and later nominated him to the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y., where he graduated with honors. Rebrook then spent four years on active duty, including six months in Iraq.
Rebrook’s mother, Beckie Drumheler, said soldiers who serve their country and put their lives on the line deserve better. “My son loved the Army and was proud of serving his country. For any soldier to be treated like this is outrageous,” she said.
Rebrook was standing in the turret of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle when a roadside bomb exploded Jan. 11, 2005. The explosion fractured his arm and severed an artery. His arm never completely recovered despite seven operations. He still has range-of- motion problems and pain.
Rebrook said he tried to get a battalion commander to sign a waiver for the Kevlar vest, but the officer declined. He was told he would have to supply statements from witnesses to verify the body armor was taken from him and burned.
His story has prompted donations from residents. A local radio station raised $700 within 90 minutes Tuesday, and one woman dropped off a $200 check by his mother’s home.
“I thought that was pretty nice that people care,” said Rebrook’s stepfather, Charles Drumheler.
Rebrook’s father, Ed Rebrook, a Charleston lawyer, said while the donations were appreciated, his son did not plan to accept them.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI am a straight, white, Christian, Mississippian and traditional conservative (not neo-con). I am offended by all of the ignorant statements by posters on here who identify themselves as “conservative” and their apologists stances on the dismal, and completely un-conservative, record of Bush. I am also sick of their beating everyone down with their bastardized and politicized version of Christianity but then fain offense when a pastor states his understanding of the Christian message at the funeral of a renowned human rights and anti-war hero. Too friggin bad if Bush was present. It was one of the few times that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of people who disagree with him and his regime. Maybe if he spent more time listening to these people and considering his own fallibility he would be a decent leader. I’m not holding my breath!
Mr. “Right between the eyes” AKA, I-Right-I, you are the most offensive of all. Your level of ignorance is amazing but your willingness to put your ignorance on public display blows my mind. Negro? Are you serious? Somehow I imagine that that was your idea of being polite. It’s a good thing that the Reverend wasn’t gay or he probably would have been referred to as a fag negro. I don’t know where you live but you need to try to push yourself into the 20th century! Maybe then there will be hope that, at some point, you could join the rest of us in the 21st! If I can learn the evils of racist, homophobic and Christo-facist dogma in Mississippi, then there must be hope for everyone. Even I-R-I.
jersey/DC girl, WELL SAID AND AAAAAAAAAAMEN!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek lives up to everything that we’ve come to expect of him/her/it. It’s monumental ignorance and racist underpinnings, obviously brought on by its confusion about its sexuality and deep rooted (and seemingly well deserved) insecurities, are best exemplified by its undeserving condescension in telling an African American that it is perfectly acceptable for them to be called “negro” against their wishes. The disconnect is so vast that you could sail a cruise ship through it.
What I witnessed of the ceremony was that it was moving and poignant. Which for myself, considering who was being honored and paid tribute to, seemed not just appropriate, but perfect. However, my opinion is not relevant. Now, if any of the King’s children had objections then that would be the only appropriate source of criticism. At this point, I have heard no such outcry.
IMHO, that so many spoke truth to power at a ceremony for Mrs. King was a tribute of the highest order. Goodbye Miss Coretta, thank you for your honorable service to humanity, and may your memory be honored through the continuance of the fight that you dedicated your life to.
Oh yes, and to Reverend Lowery: Amen sir, amen.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYou know what,there is no more civility left in me for these thugs. In their face. ALL THE TIME. Impeach the bastards.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmWho in the hell can take Tucker seriously?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI mean, just look at him and you break out laughing.
#45 - I’d love to see you try and support your filth! You’re going to get torn apart. You must love pain. You must love looking completely stupid.
Go ahead. Try. Try defending by using the words of people who never knew Jesus, never met him, and who ALL wrote the words you might like to pretend you know oh so well 150 years after the fact!
With the likes of people like you, it’s no wonder the world now hates America.
Can you say American Taliban? I thought you could.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmNo IRI, we’re not even. You don’t KNOW me, and if you DID, you’d realize that I don’t use any of those words that you wrote. Stop trying to put all black people into the box that you see on TV or the few black people you may associate with (it must be a few, because if you knew more than a few, you wouldn’t spew the stupid shyte you’re spewing.)
Comment by jersey/DC girl
You said “we” Sugar Pants. You put yourself in that box. I’d stop that if I were you. I will admit to being a bit jaded. We just about 150,000 permanent visitors from Ray Nagin’s Chocolate City and it really hasn’t been working out that well for us.
But the fact is I look at Black/White relations and problems the way I do West/Islam relations and problems. There may be only a small percentage of radical idiots but one would never know because the voices of reason are not being heard. In the case of Black America where there is a voice of reason it’s shouted down by the mob. I don’t know Sugar, it’s beyond me.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmnever met and share nothing in commmon with
I think Tucker met MLK in a dream. He spit on him.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pmwow the discussion moves quickly in here…I will try to keep up….sometimes work prevents me from responding as soon as I would hope….
greg wirth–#14 the agenda is not always clear and that is the greatest part of the lefts problem right now….however-what is clear is that the left is being pulled waaayyyy left by a few… ie./boxer/dean/kerry/kennedy/mikemoore/franken/etc…too left for many americans…..(regardless of what is said in these forums)
by the way….I have no problem criticizing the pres, there is certainly many areas that can be criticized….
Fred #18
February 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pm“speaking truth to power”….what about the truths that we wont discuss in this forum because it would certainly make MLK look anything but the great man he was…truth to power is a great quote…but it cant be used selectively in playing to an audience….especially during the funeral of a great women…..if you believe its ok….that explains your pov….unfortunately for you–many people thought it to be out of place….
Funerals are for the living, the dead could give a shit.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIf anyone is seriously confused about what Martin would have said, they can read his “Casualties of the Viet Nam War” for a clear answer.
He could have delivered that speech at the funeral and it would have been as relevant today as it was almost 40 years ago. To show you how relevant it is, simply substitute “Iraq” for “Viet Nam”, “Middle East” for “Southeast Asia,” “Saddam” for “Diem,” and “Donald Rumsfeld” for “John Foster Dulles.”
For those with short attention spans:
As King noted, “There is an element of urgency in our re-directing American powers. We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today.”
Click here for the Updated Version
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February 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmThose who surrender their history invariably lose their freedom.
Too friggin bad if Bush was present. It was one of the few times that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of people who disagree with him and his regime.
Comment by Zeke #50
Sorry to “disagree” with you Zeke on this minor point…
You see Bushiva played “politics” when he attended that funeral…
…and got royally “copulated”…
February 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI am secretly in love with Tuckitunder Carlson. I can’t keep from scrolling to the top of the page to glance at his moist open mouth between expressions of bigotry.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmBlow them all away, in the Name of the Lord
February 8th, 2006 at 12:58 pm…many people thought it to be out of place…
The opinion of your KKK chapter really isn’t germaine to this discussion.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pmwhat about the truths that we wont discuss in this forum because it would certainly make MLK look anything but the great man he was…
Comment by mike #57
Well which is it Miscreant?
Was he, or wasn’t he “a great man”?
You seem to want to produce evidence to the contrary…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pm#45, whoah there, Tex, getting ahead of ourselves there aren’t we? What’s wrong with doing the Lord’s work and making a dollar or two on the side?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:01 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I would never be so arrogant and delusional to claim to speak for God, as you do. However, I am certain based upon my studies of Jesus of Nazareth and his philosophies that his message to you would be: “Get away from me Satan!”
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmLet’s hope the racist right’s false outrage backfires and motivates African Americans to get out and vote.
The message is pretty clear: Conservatives have been trying to tell African Americans what to do, how to act, and how to think since the 18th century. Clearly nothing has changed.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:08 pmInvade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pmbig pappa, you must have missed my point. My point was that no one should apologize for offending Bush at the funeral. It was the first time that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of the masses of people who disagree with him and the result was a much deserved slap in his face. I agree his presence was a shameful and hypocritical political display. That’s why I find it so interesting that people take offense at the completely appropriate political message that was genuinely expressed by the pastor.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWell said, Zeke.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:17 pmPat Robertson is a farce, a thief, and a liar.
(did i mention gay?)
Comment by HOT! TIP!
HOT! TIP! I’m straight and even I find that comment to be offensive to gay people. He may or may not be a closeted homosexual but he is not “gay”. And the way you stated that it sounds like you’re equating “gay” with “thief” and liar. Which sounds more like his ideology. My gay friends are extremely ethical, moral and civil.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:17 pmWhen, oh when, will TP ban I-Right-I? Major distraction to the discussion, which is his goal.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pmDon’t feed the trolls!
The last funeral I went too a Southern Baptist preacher was preachin’ hell fire intsstead of consoling that family. Was that IRI the right thing to do?
At an Activist Red Dr Lowery did the right thing and the only thing an activist must do to a sniveling ego maniac insecure war mongering american poor hating bastard!
I say strip bush of his millions and power and force him to live the life of a homeless man……..
Tucker Carlson has been know to wrestle with Ann (adams apple) Coulter and ended up red faced when he was asked what happen in the green room >)anyone care to guess lol
February 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmOnce again, Oliver Willis said it the best yesterday.
Amen
February 7, 2006
Martin Luther King Jr. and Coretta Scott King probably would not have wanted George Bush at their funeral. They were fighting for lowering the taxes of rich white people, they were fighting for equality, something the conservatives hate. Just read I-RIGHT-I’s post in #7 and tell me if Coretta was fighting for his side.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIf the MLK children all agreed on the speakers and the tone at the memorial it would be the first thing they all agreed on in a very long time. It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ. Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement. In any other situation a god fearing American would be written off as a hick, fundamentalist, wingnut, and bigot. All you got to do is hate bush and then work backwards from there. GW took a lotta hits yesterday and still shook hands and smiled with his detractors. That takes class. And last. It was John Kennedy’s and Lyndon Johnson’s administration that bugged MLK’s phones and intercepted his mail. (All in the name of national security or course.)
LSBrewer
February 8th, 2006 at 1:26 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I would never be so arrogant and delusional to claim to speak for God, as you do. However, I am certain based upon my studies of Jesus of Nazareth and his philosophies that his message to you would be: “Get away from me Satan!â€
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
Comment by Optimist
I can’t speak for Him but I can tell you what He said if you don’t have the time to read if for yourself.
Wrong about what?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmNEVER, NEVER, NEVER censor the speech of bigots! They can do more to shine a light on the evils of racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia than all the human rights activists combined. Every time the Coulter’s and Robertson’s and Phelps’ and O’Reilly’s and I-R-I’s open their collective mouths, the more fair minded Americans realize the truth of their hateful messages. I am a big believer in giving people like this as much rope as possible. They will always end up hanging themselve in the end. As long as we maintain our civility in responding to them, eventually they will be exposed. However, if we respond to their hate with hate then we lose credibility in our message. Wasn’t that the heart of the message of Dr. and Mrs. King?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmThe message is pretty clear: Conservatives have been trying to tell African Americans what to do, how to act, and how to think since the 18th century. Clearly nothing has changed.
Comment by Anti Warhol
That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmfix the damned link.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmZeke - you are missing the point. Most people think Jimmy Carter’s shameless talk of the black victims in Katrina makes him a bigot. He is inciting race when most of the homeless, post Katrina, are white, not black.
Continue to cheer race baiting at your own peril. The right will make sure the public hears it before election day and we will lock you out another election. If you want to take back Congress, let me help you. You do not have the common sense to achieve what should be such an easy task.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmBack on topic:
I feel Lowery handled himself quite well yesterday and today. V.nice to see and listen to an articulate man.
I just wish we had one in the WhiteHouse (articulate, that is).
February 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmMs. Brewer,
Besides displaying enormous ignorance to history, you also reveal your racist desires and present the most convoluted argument imaginable. However much they are paying you to troll the blogs is fortunately being wasted.
If you truly wish to live in a theocratic dictatorship where dissent is punished, then you better build yourself a time machine because the rest of the world has blown by you.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:34 pmI wonder where this little lot fits in with Adolf’s (I-RightArmRaised-I’s) interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ:
“I hate the French, they pretty much invented the Filthy Left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 1, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, what does a Mexcian know about ethics anyway?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 25, 2005 @ 12:41 pm
I think the lesson here is that if you can’t say something nice about the Negro in New Orleans, don’t say anything at all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 7, 2005 @ 9:43 am
[Mexican corruption] is a problem but nothing a little Puritan Fundamentalist Christianity couldn’t cure. Ever notice that everything the Catholics touch turns to shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the South that a few thousand dangling from the nearest light pole Leftists wouldn’t cure.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 4, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
We need more women in the kitchen cooking dinner.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 1, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
[Women should NOT vote] Because they f e e l , they don’t think. There are exceptions to the rule and they all agree with me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 2, 2005 @ 5:39 pm ”
After all, Hitler was a Christian too…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:34 pm#90 - you are no better than the radical Muslims torching the Euro embassies. If you had your way, you would murder all your ideologlical opponents. You are SICK and can never be trusted on issues that most Americans care about.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:36 pm#85, I need to add that one to Gregor’s collection. Ever heard of Nelson Mandela, Adolf?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmTucker Carlson, I think your bowties are too tight, they are cutting off the circulation to your brain.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmThe truth was spoken in Atlanta yesterday, but you Republican hacks just can’t handle the truth. Can you?
big pappa, you must have missed my point. My point was that no one should apologize for offending Bush at the funeral. It was the first time that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of the masses of people who disagree with him and the result was a much deserved slap in his face.
Comment by Zeke #76
Right on Zeke,
We’re on the same page…
His “political” grandstanding put him before an audience that wasn’t hanpicked…
…and they brought him his hat and showed him to the door…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmI may be appalled at the astonishingly bad manners of Joe Lowery, Jimmah C. and others attending Mrs. King’s funeral, but I’m not the least bit upset about it. Personally, I love it when the fever swamp gets hysterical at a funeral. For example, that Wellstone memorial was a doozy. It sure helped us elect Norm Coleman in Minnesota, and I think it probably affected swing voters in some other states, too. Those election victories, in turn, brought us John Roberts and Sam Alito, among other things. So bring it on, lefties. The cameras are rolling, and the voters are watching.
PS: By contrast, President Bush was the epitome of good manners and good taste in his touching tribute to Mrs. King. There just really isn’t any substitute for good breeding.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmI can get paid for doing this? Wow.
Let me know a little more about my igorance of history.
Let me know more about Lestor Madox, George Wallace, Orvil Fabous, William J. Fullbright and all the rest of the Southern Deomcrates thet MLK had to deal with.
Paid people don’t use their real name.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmYou said “we†Sugar Pants. You put yourself in that box. I’d stop that if I were you. I will admit to being a bit jaded. We just about 150,000 permanent visitors from Ray Nagin’s Chocolate City and it really hasn’t been working out that well for us. Comment by IRI
Easy there IRI. Sugar Pants? Again, you don’t know me, so don’t call me sugar pants, k? And I said “we” SPECIFICALLY about southern African American funerals, not language or anything else. So learn how to read and understand context, k? And who the HELL was talking about Ray Nagin? Learn to stay on topic, k?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pmRightly So,
Most people think Jimmy Carter’s shameless talk of the black victims in Katrina makes him a bigot. He is inciting race when most of the homeless, post Katrina, are white, not black.
You have no relation to facts and that is unfortunate for you. However, you do illustrate clearly the disconnect that the “right” has chosen in regards to reality. Perhaps when you get through puberty you will finally learn to read and think. Until then, you will remain the dolt that you have so aptly exhibited yourself to be.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#95 - right on. Of course, these fanatics will all be crying “Swift Boat” when we point out their hate speech.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:40 pmiRi is of the same group of people who believe that the mass-kidnapping, murder, and enslavement of Africans was somehow beneficial to their history and progress on a global level.
Attempting to convince this person otherwise will get you nowhere. having already refused to address ‘negroes’ as African Americans - iRi has displayed a level of willfull ignorance that cannot be reversed over any amount of conversation (and definitely NOT by blogging).
for ex. he feels that since a some African Americans use the ‘n word’…then logically all must -
and this is a ridiculous assumption for obvious reasons.
the few don’t speak for the many.
furthermore - how can any caucasian’s view of African thought be considered as ‘radical’ in light of the horrendous atrocities that built this country?
Nat Turners revolt happened for a reason.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:41 pmIt always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ. Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement. In any other situation a god fearing American would be written off as a hick, fundamentalist, wingnut, and bigot. All you got to do is hate bush and then work backwards from there. GW took a lotta hits yesterday and still shook hands and smiled with his detractors. That takes class. And last. It was John Kennedy’s and Lyndon Johnson’s administration that bugged MLK’s phones and intercepted his mail. (All in the name of national security or course.)
LSBrewer
Comment by Larry Brewer
I’m never surprised at the hypocrisy and lies of the Filthy Left at any time but they are particularly bad when it comes to the God they don’t believe in and that fictional character Jesus of Nazareth.
Oh, by the way, JFK and Hoover had MLK bugged because he was either a willing or unwitting dupe of the Soviets and it’s all well documented in the FBI archives. It’s not hard to understand if you’re familiar with the Jesuit’s shot at Liberation Theology during that time. King was attempting to do the same thing with the Blacks here in the USA. King had a lot of nice pretty speeches but his politics were contradictory to his faith. That’s what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
Oh, you were right about George W. Bush. He handled that irreligious and despicable display of those fuckwits with grace and style. He’s a better man than all of them put together. I think Jesus would agree.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#98 - you are politically tone deaf. It is obvious. I could teach you a view things about politics. Lesson One: Former Presidents are better seen and not heard. No one likes a bitter, digusting, left wing mouthpiece when you are supposed to be above that.
Additionally, I have about 444 reasons why Carter should keep his mouth shut. He was a disgraceful President and is reason numero uno we have the problems we have with Iran today.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pmI hate to even bring him/it up but posters like “IRI” thrive on the attention, negative or otherwise. Thus, the thread, originally about the Lowery/Carlson exchange is now systematically degenerated into “The IRI Show”: exactly what was desired from this poster. The strangest part is, he *may* have completely reasonable beliefs but the enjoyment he gets out of his cyber-chain-yanking pulls rank on reason (or, he may just be a right-wing nutjob).
Regarding Tucker, aside from losing the horrifically stupid bowtie, if he could just occasionally not be suck a kiss-ass to the powers that be, it would be refreshing. And no, he’s not gay. No sensible self-declaring gay man would ever try to get away with that fashion faux pas. Of course, there’s that patent-leather-clad queen I saw the other night in Chelsea, so, maybe he’s just confused…on several levels.
Regarding Rev. Lowery, I agree with the fact that the King family invited him and knew what to expect. Four presidents were in attendance at Mrs. King’s funeral, Bush Sr. & Jr., Clinton and Carter, two Republicans, two Democrats. There were numerous points of view and the audience responded, sometimes with standing ovations, to what rang true in their hearts. Whatever the pundits may think, it doesn’t matter a damn (aside from the fact that they get a massive broadcast platform from which to convey it).
The Kings fought against injustice, inequality, terrorism (aka KKK), the scourge of poverty and the pointlessness of war. As a teenager who listened to and took heart in those speeches and messages, I thought, by now, we’d have certainly arrived at the dawn of a golden age, that we would’ve profoundly learned from the mistakes made in other wars we, for all intents and purposes, manipulated for our own purposes of control and/or fear. I truly thought we’d “study war, no more.” A naive position, to be sure.
At the height of the Cold War, former President Eisenhower expressed a view that remains so incredibly applicable today, “[W]e now stand in the vestibule of a vast new technological age–one that, despite its capacity for human destruction, has an equal capacity to make poverty and human misery obsolete.”
Which direction is this presidential administration choosing? Your answer (or your denial) should make it clearer to others, if not to you, where your focus and your good will for your fellow humans genuinely lie.
There’s too much work to be done to prattle on with this kind of b.s. We DO stand at the threshold of a golden age. Unfortunately, old Iron Age mentalities still are trying to rig the Apocalypse of biblical proportions so they can beam proudly at how prophetic their holy scriptures truly were. If we let them, they will literally bomb us back to that primitive past they glorify with the embrace of their equally primitive dogma.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pm#90-you are no better than the radical Muslims torching the Euro embassies. If you had your way, you would murder all your ideologlical opponents. You are SICK and can never be trusted on issues that most Americans care about.
Comment by Rightly So… #91
Yo Terry!
…looks like you struck a nerve…
….ahhhh, another satisfied inbred…
…Rightupma*sh’o'le…
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pm“The man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 11:48 am
They said the same things about Martin Luther King, you bigot.
“That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Like Martin Luther King, bigot?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThis is for Optimist
On October 10, 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy committed what is widely viewed as one of the most ignominious acts in modern American history: he authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation to begin wiretapping the telephones of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
lb
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI wish we could get some new trolls that are smart.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmLet me know more about Lestor Madox, George Wallace, Orvil Fabous, William J. Fullbright and all the rest of the Southern Deomcrates thet MLK had to deal with.
Paid people don’t use their real name.
Comment by Larry Brewer
Yes Larry, please do get your facts right. Those are the same kind of “Democrats” (known as “Dixiecrats”) that flocked to the Republican Party under Reagan. They were Civil War era Democrats but certainly didn’t reflect the stated planks of the Democratic party of the 60’s. They feel quite at home in the modern day, neo-con Republican Party. Any moron could put that two plus two together!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmbig papa…there you are…I have missed the inbred comments so much…thanks for the laughs….and proving what a fool you are….and the bold…keep it up…..
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmIRI wrote: That’s what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
“axed” for “asked”. Very telling. Very telling indeed.
Rest my case.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmthe audio on this video isn’t working.someone fix it, or I’ll have to put you on notice.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pm“It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ.”
Since Bush is just using religion for a political prop, what amazes me are the number of rubes who fall for it over, and over, and over …
February 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmMs. Brewer,
Just so you know, if Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek agrees with you, then you have just received your merit badge for being a racist Neanderthal devil worshiper who willingly sells themselves into slavery just so they can get the attention that they have been denied but so desperately crave.
Sorry pal, it’s the company that you keep.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pm“That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.â€
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Like Martin Luther King, bigot?
Comment by dano347
King took them five paces forward and ten paces back. It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl.
In hindsight I think Bill Cosby would have made a better leader. I doubt he would have butcher the Christian Gospel to make his political points.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#105, I thought he was agreeing with me that IRI was a foul, bigoted sociopath - a little enthusiastic in supporting me but still. IRI is no better than the Muslims who are running riot at the moment - he’s probably a bit worse since he’s more malignant that ignorant.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:51 pmHOT! TIP! I commend and honor you and your daughter’s service to our country. I am a veteran of the first, and only legitimate, gulf war myself. I agree that they spew a lot of dangerous shit. But one of the things that we, or at least I, fought for was our belief that they have a right to say it. I still say that we should let them speak and counter their lies and propaganda with the truth. Eventually the truth wins out every time. Sadly that truth too often comes at the expense of the lives thousands of our best and brightest young people.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:52 pmlarry #82 - “It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ.”
February 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pmfirst - rev. lowery, as a true christian, does not “hate” bush - only the policies…
second - get familiar with jim wallis, matthew fox, michael lerner, etc, to learn of other true christian activists
and: “Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement” - to be sure, it is the foundation of OUR, YOURs too, Constitutional democratic government…
it always amazes me how the right are so willing to give that up…
“It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl.”
Oh, my, my, my, - do you twitter to yourself as you type such tripe?
Where did you get your degree, Bob Jones University?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:54 pmI do have my facts right. Was Lestor Madox a Democrate? What about the rest? You all are so hopless. If you can’t distance yourself from the past you just rename the criminals so not to be associated. To assume that Fabus would have ever voted republican is really far fetched. William Fullbright might have been off center but he managed to bring up with him at least one modern day democrate, Bill Clinton.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#66 big poopoo…
Here we go…about time…MLK was a great man…but if you know anything about his personal life you know that is was anything but great (do the research big poopoo)…I am not about to sling the mud like you do so easily when you cant debate/converse/discuss…..
Miscreant? I think I like the inbred….hit me with the inbred…please? please?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThtopit everyone on tha left,thtopit, you’re hurting the right-wingth’s feeeeeeeeelings.They can take all the critithithims you want about murder,lying,breaking the law,unjusth war,crushing the poor,lack of ethicths,not helpig of their own thitithens, ethetera, but pleathe don’t hurt their feeeeeeeelingth with truthful wordths. They fear their own reflectionths.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmIgnorant-Really-Ignorant
How did King butcher the gospel? My are you silly!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:57 pmiRi is of the same group of people who believe that the mass-kidnapping, murder, and enslavement of Africans was somehow beneficial to their history and progress on a global level.
Attempting to convince this person otherwise will get you nowhere. having already refused to address ‘negroes’ as African Americans - iRi has displayed a level of willfull ignorance that cannot be reversed over any amount of conversation (and definitely NOT by blogging).
for ex. he feels that since a some African Americans use the ‘n word’…then logically all must -
and this is a ridiculous assumption for obvious reasons.
the few don’t speak for the many.
furthermore - how can any caucasian’s view of African thought be considered as ‘radical’ in light of the horrendous atrocities that built this country?
Nat Turners revolt happened for a reason.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pm“I think I like the inbred….hit me with the inbred…please? please?”
Comment by mike — February 8, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
Sounds kinky -typical republican!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pmHey new troll, we are the ones who defended Tom Toles cartoon here in the US. It was the right driven joint chiefs of staff that tried to censor it.
The right is no better than the extremist Muslims who are burning embassies. Get your facts straight.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:59 pmDear newbie troll, do you know the difference between hate speech and dissent?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:00 pmBy the way, Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah.
Interesting. My father is a retired Episcopal priest and he has done far more in terms of scholarly reading and takes the opposite view. My readings are more in line with his as well. Perhaps you do not know your Lord as well as you think?
Recall that Jesus spoke Truth to Power in his time. He was considered a radical. This is WHY he was tortured until he died. His point was that change does NOT occur by killing others (recall again, love thine enemies and turn the other cheek? he opposed blood feuds which resulted in pointless deaths).
“Radical Negro clergy?” That’s a term I haven’t heard since the 60’s. Pat Robertson calling for assignation - wouldn’t that be radical Caucasian Clergy?
He is in favor of equal treatment under law, working for a living, pastors who are more concerned with the soul than the bank account and killing the enemies of the Church when they threaten the flock.
When a company has more protections than an individual, that is not equal treatment. When a President illegally spies and is not called down for it, that is not equal treatment. When the rich are favored over the poor, that is not equal treatment. So, by your definition, Jesus would be appalled at this Administration.
And I must have missed the whole ‘Jesus killing for the Church’ thing. Was that in the Book of Rambo?
However, he DID say “Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?” Are you the type to give stones when people are in want for food? Is this not what happened during Katrina?
Naturally I can back all of that up as I have more than just a anecdotal possession of the Word of God, something you losers can’t be bothered with.
So far you haven’t really convinced me you don’t have more than a “700 Club” view of the Church (just a hint: 700 is 666 rounded up).
Feloneous
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmPunky Brewer,
WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SOUTHERN PLAN! EVEN KENNY MEHLMANN ADMITTED THE REPUGS WENT AFTER DISATISFIED RACIST DIXIECRATS TO REGAIN THE SOUTH. WOW!!
SIT DOWN. SHUT UP. CASE F*CKING CLOSED
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmIRI wrote: That’s what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
“axed†for “askedâ€. Very telling. Very telling indeed.
Rest my case.
Comment by Rick
It’s worse than that if you can believe it. When ever they (not all) pronounce “ask” as “ax” it I correct them.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:02 pmSo far you haven’t really convinced me you don’t have more than a “700 Club†view of the Church (just a hint: 700 is 666 rounded up).
Feloneous
Comment by feloneouscat
They don’t pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWhat the radical right doesn’t want to admit is that Jesus WAS black.
The bible states Jesus had skin of bronze and woolen hair like a sheep fur.
Aww, too bad you are so racist. I don’t think Jesus is going to be happy about that.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pmCan I get an AMEM!
February 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pmAnother admission that I-RIGHT-I is a paid stooge.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBeware!! The trolls have been exceptionally good about hijacking good threads today.
Don’t get caught up in their bullshit. No one believes them but themselves.
Rise above it.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmJesus: Wrong for America
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmWow ladies and gentlemen. IRI is a Political Science, English, Constitutional, Geography, Geology, and a Biblical scholoar.
Let’s all bow and worship or great leaders butt buddy with the recognition of respect he deserves.
IRI, I solute you. (with my middle finger)
February 8th, 2006 at 2:09 pm“When ever they (not all) pronounce “ask†as “ax†it I correct them.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 2
No, I’d imagine you only tell it to the Gary Coleman types, ’cause if you tried it with a Mike Tyson type, they’d be “ax”ing you how you’d like your ass-wupped.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:10 pmOptimist, Katy and all the rest of you guys…
There are many in the left moverment that would side with you on this agrument. But I doubt I would find you tied to a tree in front of a bulldozer. Or perhaps breakking into a lab that used animals for drug testing. Or any other frenge group that hangs onto the demnocrate party united by their common hate of GW Bush. While you may not be in lock step with every cause that comes under the liberial banner, you too, are the company you keep.
I was right about the Kennedys wiretapping MLK, so they were dixiecrates too I guess?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThey don’t pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
So far you haven’t convinced me you know the Bible, Jesus, or, heck, much of anything.
And who the hell pays you to post?
Come’on “axe” boy, cough up one or two gems from the beloved Bible or shut yo’ trap. I’ll guarantee to meet AND beat them.
Show us where Jesus recommends killing for the Church. THAT I’ve got to see.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:12 pmThey don’t pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
So far you haven’t convinced me you know the Bible, Jesus, or, heck, much of anything.
And who the hell pays you to post?
Come’on “axe” boy, cough up one or two gems from the beloved Bible or shut yo’ trap. I’ll guarantee to meet AND beat them.
Show us where Jesus recommends killing for the Church. THAT I’ve got to see.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI hate to even bring him/it up but posters like “IRI†thrive on the attention, negative or otherwise.
Comment by Rick
Bullshit, you know you want it baby.
Thus, the thread, originally about the Lowery/Carlson exchange is now systematically degenerated into “The IRI Showâ€: exactly what was desired from this poster. The strangest part is, he *may* have completely reasonable beliefs but the enjoyment he gets out of his cyber-chain-yanking pulls rank on reason (or, he may just be a right-wing nutjob).
No, it’s not the IRI Show, it’s the “IRI School of Shit You Should Already Know” Yes, I do have a good time here so, sue me.
Regarding Rev. Lowery, I agree with the fact that the King family invited him and knew what to expect. Four presidents were in attendance at Mrs. King’s funeral, Bush Sr. & Jr., Clinton and Carter, two Republicans, two Democrats. There were numerous points of view and the audience responded, sometimes with standing ovations, to what rang true in their hearts. Whatever the pundits may think, it doesn’t matter a damn (aside from the fact that they get a massive broadcast platform from which to convey it).
Anyone who witnessed the reaction of the American Negro (not all of them) to OJ Simpson’s acquittal doesn’t get to excited about anything they (not all of them) will cheer for.
The Kings fought against injustice, inequality, terrorism (aka KKK), the scourge of poverty and the pointlessness of war. As a teenager who listened to and took heart in those speeches and messages, I thought, by now, we’d have certainly arrived at the dawn of a golden age, that we would’ve profoundly learned from the mistakes made in other wars we, for all intents and purposes, manipulated for our own purposes of control and/or fear. I truly thought we’d “study war, no more.†A naive position, to be sure.
Not just naive but stupid and betraying a monumental ignorance of human nature.
At the height of the Cold War, former President Eisenhower expressed a view that remains so incredibly applicable today, “[W]e now stand in the vestibule of a vast new technological age–one that, despite its capacity for human destruction, has an equal capacity to make poverty and human misery obsolete.â€
See above comment about idiot Utopians. I don’t think Ike believed a word of it but if he did he had some real issues with ego to think mankind has the capacity to make human misery obsolete. If he really wanted to do that he would have started by nuking Red China when they didn’t have the bomb.
Which direction is this presidential administration choosing? Your answer (or your denial) should make it clearer to others, if not to you, where your focus and your good will for your fellow humans genuinely lie.
There’s too much work to be done to prattle on with this kind of b.s. We DO stand at the threshold of a golden age. Unfortunately, old Iron Age mentalities still are trying to rig the Apocalypse of biblical proportions so they can beam proudly at how prophetic their holy scriptures truly were. If we let them, they will literally bomb us back to that primitive past they glorify with the embrace of their equally primitive dogma.
Yep, Utopian dumbass. People like you turn into Stalin’s when you gain power.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:13 pmLarry Brewer - Yes, Kennedy did spy on MLK. You may not have noticed, but since then we have come a long way. We have enacted laws that prevent this kind of power abuse on our citizens.
It was not right, but we as a country tried to correct it when it was found out. What are the Republicans doing now? They are trying to push it under the rug and spin it. So much for all the American Soldiers who gave their lives for this country. They served, including me, for a country that sh*t’s all over the very Constitution we serve(d) to protect.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:15 pmLarry Brewer,
The same can be said for the right. I doubt I would find you bombing an abortion clinic or beating a gay man to death, who is tied to a fence, but you too are the comapny you keep.
I guess selling weapons to al Qaida in the ’80s make Reagan a terrorist sympathizer also I guess?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:16 pm