VIDEO: Lowery Responds To Right-Wing’s ‘Politicization’ Criticisms
VIDEO: Lowery Responds To Right-Wing’s ‘Politicization’ Criticisms
Rev. Joseph Lowery appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show last night to respond to right-wing criticisms that his remarks inappropriately politicized Coretta Scott King’s funeral. Carlson told Lowery his remarks “seemed like bad manners” and were “very uncomfortable.” Lowery stood his ground. Watch it:
CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair. But again, it seemed very uncomfortable to say something like that in a funeral with the president right there. It seemed like bad manners.
LOWERY: Well, I don’t think so. I certainly didn’t intend for it to be bad manners. I did intend for it to — to call attention to the fact that Mrs. King spoke truth to power. And here was an opportunity to demonstrate how she spoke truth to power about this war and about all wars.
And I think that, in the context of the faith, out of which the movement grows, we have always opposed war. We’ve always fought poverty. And we base our — our argument on — on the faith, on the fact that Jesus taught us. He identified with the poor. “I was hungry; you didn’t feed me. I was naked; you didn’t clothe me. I was in prison; you didn’t see about me.” He talked about war. He talked about he who lives by the sword.
So I’m comfortable with the fact that I was reflecting on Mrs. King’s tenacity against war, her determination to witness against war and to speak truth to power.
Transcript continues below:
CARLSON: Were you comfortable with President Jimmy Carter`s remarks, which also seemed openly partisan and political? His reference to the domestic spying controversy now surrounding the president and to the federal government`s response to Katrina? Was that an appropriate series of remarks to give at a funeral, do you think?
LOWERY: Well, Mr. Carter is very capable of defending himself.
CARLSON: But what did you think, I`m wondering?
LOWERY: Well, I think that I`m responsible for my remarks and not Mr. Carter`s. I just think that, in speaking truth to power, if there were no fabrications and there were no deceptions, there were no misstatements or errors in fact, then I think that Mr. Carter had a right to say what he feels.
CARLSON: All right. The Reverend Joseph Lowery, joining us by phone from Atlanta tonight.
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February 8th, 2006 at 11:35 amFinally someone with the balls to speak out. Perhaps the Reverend should run for President. No one else has grown a pair.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:35 amAMEN to Rev. Lowery!
Again Rev. Lowery shows he understands the message of Jesus better than the Noe-Cons. His words were absolutely appropriate and like all prophets, he is calling the powers-that-be to account for their actions.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:42 amThe Bush war is of his making, his vendetta and greed. So far 2,262 of our best have died for his folly. I agree with the Revrend and the King legacy. Stop the war, impeach Bush and company for lies, war crimes, violations of our constitution and creating our devastating debt..Make Bush and his bunch go to the fight themselves. Bring our troops home now....Blessings
February 8th, 2006 at 11:45 amI love how every one of these whiners suddenly runs out of time when they actually get called on their lies and spin. Tucker had to end the interview so he could change his underwear. Thank you Rev. Lowery.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:47 amUm, bad manners? How about trying to write discrimination into the U.S. Constitution? How about illegally wiretapping Americans? How about not giving a shit about Katrina victims? How about lying to Americans about WMD and yellow cake uranium?
Bad manners, Tucker? As usual, you're an idiot.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:47 amAnd I think that, in the context of the faith, out of which the movement grows, we have always opposed war. We`ve always fought poverty. And we base our — our argument on — on the faith, on the fact that Jesus taught us. He identified with the poor. “I was hungry; you didn`t feed me. I was naked; you didn`t clothe me. I was in prison; you didn`t see about me.†He talked about war. He talked about he who lives by the sword.
So I`m comfortable with the fact that I was reflecting on Mrs. King`s tenacity against war, her determination to witness against war and to speak truth to power.
The man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:48 amI am sorry to say that although it was great theatrics....it is another example/reason why the majority of Americans are not buying the leftist agenda....The rev. is a super show-man, no doubt about it, but to use the funeral forum to speak his speak is not going to win the dems or progressives any votes/sympathy....chalk it up as another mistake....another shot fired that missed its mark....
February 8th, 2006 at 11:49 amThat's a mighty refreshing change, there. Thank goodness someone is reminding the neocons that the whole message of Christ is almost entirely opposed to the things they're doing in his name.
Now, if only the link to the video were working...
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 am#6
I just had a picture in my mind of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rove in a firefight. All hunkered behind a low wall...Rummy says charge and no one follows and is gunned down..Cheney keels over from a heartattack...then Rove asks Bush, who just wet his pants, to shoot him in the foot.
Funny how the mind keeps one amused.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amI just can't stand to watch pimple boy, he is BAD MANNERS to even suggest that.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amCARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:50 amThe obvious conclusion??? Unbiased media at it's best.
Sorry #4
February 8th, 2006 at 11:52 amMike,
Although I am not a leftist (in the traditional sense of the word), what is the agenda you refer to? One that allows open criticism of the President of the United States and his decisions? I give Bush credit for showing up to this event knowing who was going to be speaking, he handled it well shaking the hand of the Rev and laughing.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:53 amAMEN to Rev. Lowery!
Indeed. The man speaks Truth to Power. I love it. About time the MSM picks up on it ... and the WingNuts don't know what just hit them.
Jesus was very likely a black man. Jesus was indeed a radical. Jesus was indeed, oh the shock, the horror, the injustice of it all, a LIBERAL.
It must be tough being a Conservative A**hole in the US these days. It must be tough to look themselves in the mirror and realize they're f***ed.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:55 amHoly crap, IRI. If there was any doubt as to your utter hatred, racism, and lack of understanding of the word of Jesus Christ, it has certainly been confirmed now.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:56 amI'm thinking that what may be a good idea to silence the critics, is to ask Reverend Lowery if he would be offended if the same types of remarks were to be used at his funeral. I'm willing to bet his response would be an unqualified NO! and that it's exactly what he would want.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:57 amMike, the funeral of a political activist is one of the most appropriate places to make political statements. Even Dr. King himself said that at his funeral, he would want people to talk about his deeply held beliefs, particularly the political ones he strove to embody ("... I want you to say that day, that I tried to be right on the war question. I want you to be able to say that day, that I did try, in my life, to clothe those who were naked. I want you to say, on that day, that I did try, in my life, to visit those who were in prison. I want you to say that I tried to love and serve humanity.")
A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and "speaking truth to power", then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:57 amI agree with the wingnuts here screaming it was a partisan attack. On one hand you have a religious man talking about the evils of war and the injustices the poor face and on the other you have Bush and his evil agenda.
It is partisan just not political
Religious vs. Evil
February 8th, 2006 at 12:00 pmnot
Dems vs. Neo-cons
A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and “speaking truth to powerâ€, then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
Comment by Fred
Well said.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:01 pmI would like to comment as both an African American and a Democrat. First, for anyone who was surprised by the tone of Rev. Lowery's speech, you obviously don't know the man. He speaks his mind. And I'm sure the King kids, having grown up with him, were well aware of that. And if they're ok, I'm ok and that's ALL that should matter.
Second, maybe all those whiners out there should check out a southern African American funeral once and a while. They are like church...it can get rowdy, people speak the truth about the person and their life...it can feel like a revival - it's EMOTIONAL. That's just how we do it. Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable.
Third, read again what MLK said about what he'd want his funeral to be about - HIS LIFE and what he fought for. Safe to say, CSK wanted the same. This woman always spoke the truth, even when it was unpopular within her community(see her stance on gay marriage, among others.).
Fourth, Republicans have SOME NERVE talking about infusing religion into politics. Hello, welcome to the past few years of your leadership.
Fifth, I Right I, we don't USE the word Negro anymore. Welcome to 2006, jackass.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:02 pmIRI,
Paid racist poster.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAny of those "offended" by this incident have completely failed to understand MLK, jr., his wife and Jesus Christ. If Christ were to return today he would be arrested, rendered, tortured and executed by our political and religious authorities in power. My, we've come a long way in 2000 years, haven't we?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:04 pmSo Tucker Carlson, on his pitifully rated show, essentially says "Even though you were a friend and fellow activist, don't you think I, Tucker Carlson, know better about what is appropriate to say in a eulogy at a funeral for a person I've never met and share nothing in commmon with"?
Douchebag.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#7, that's it son, keep the fire burning (preferably in the front yard, know what I mean?)..
Got your pillow case, son? Yee-hah, let's ride!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#26,
IRI used Negro as a substitute for the word he was trying so hard not to use. The nuance still slipped out.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:07 pmTo all of those who are opposed to people making comments on the political front that was her life, then let me ask you this.
Is it right that when a baseball, football, or anyother sports player dies that they talk about the sport that these people were so involved in?
Talking about what a person did in their life and how it affects our current life, or polotics, is suiting for thier comments don't you think?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:07 pmIRI,
You are just proving all of us correct about you and your party when you talk like that, you arrogant, ingnorant, big baby, bully, jerkoff.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLily, you sure do FLIP-FLOP!
"CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair.
The obvious conclusion??? Unbiased media at it’s best.
Comment by Lily"
"I’m thinking that what may be a good idea to silence the critics, is to ask Reverend Lowery if he would be offended if the same types of remarks were to be used at his funeral. I’m willing to bet his response would be an unqualified NO! and that it’s exactly what he would want.
Comment by Lily"
"A funeral is a time to honor and celebrate the life and legacy of the deceased. When their life and legacy were political struggles and “speaking truth to powerâ€, then I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them.
Comment by Fred
Well said.
Comment by Lily "
So in several posts you rip people up for supporting the notion that they brought up polotics in honor of her memory, then finally you agree with Fred about the fact that "I can think of no more fitting way to honor and celebrate them."
Which is it? Do you believe that the person should be honored in the way they lived their lives, or should people shy from talking about how they lived their lives?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:12 pmI guess that study that showed that the Republicans are racists is correct.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pmSorry, Lily..... I completely mis-read your comments..... Busy at work and glanced over and did not really read.
Please accept my FULLEST APPOLOGY!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#25,26 - yup, IRI did the cyberequivalent of putting his sheet on his head and striding down mainstreet with his torch.
#16, surprised it took that long to rumble IRI - he's been advocating hanging people from trees, dropping nuclear weapons all over the Middle East, mysogyny, homophobia, anti-semitism... The list is too long to print.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:15 pmFor whatever reason the comments were made in such a public arena make no mistakes...the entire country is sleething at what our President has done to this country while in office...We as a nation should be mortified by the manner in which He and his constituants have handled themselves...We deserve better than the off the cuff remarks that are tossed to the media to quite the storm brewing on this situation. Do I think that Ms. King's funeral was an appropriate arena to air such differences; well her life was just that was it not one filled with doing what was right not choosing the time or place to decide would it be right...going with her gut and following through on that...Nothing wrong with facing the person head on be it in any fashion. If he thought that there was to be no battle on this issue or any of the issues he created then he shouldnt have decieved the American public...When you invade our privacy is that not deception of great magnitude? I find myself wanting to see him gone more and more everyday for the underhanded way I think he has represented himself and this country. DM Lawson, Annapolis, Maryland
February 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmIRI - go crawl back into your 1950's hole, you fucking racist piece of shit.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:24 pmHow many times has Bush refused to meet with the NAACP?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmJust so you know I don’t like to be called White, I prefer Caucasian
Enough of your PC BS. We'll call you what we want and it shouldn't offend you.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmHas anyone else figured out that IRI is a caricature?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:28 pmThere's a way we can end the right-wing agenda in the media: stop watching it. You vote with your pocketbooks. If the advertising revenues turn to shit and the advertisers pull out, either the show/network goes bust or they rethink their strategy. It's not hard to see that MSNBC is trying to compete with FOX News on the newfound ratings grab that the neo-con blowhards seem to attract. Chris Matthews is imitating Bill O'Reilly, Tim Russert (whom I once greatly respected and admired) has fallen down on the job, and Tucker Carlson's been given a second chance. Tucker Carlson in particular should give an inkling as to the revolving door at the major news outlets (and Paul Begala, too). Carlson and Begala were rightfully eviscerated by Jon Stewart. Stewart successfully destroyed that program's credibility ("Crossfire") and it got yanked. Then these two clowns got jobs elsewhere. It's not surprising really; the career media wonks moving from network to network is why none of our mainstream media are reliable any more. They all sound the same because they ARE the same. They are the same assholes with a new corporate nametag. And, like the neo-con lords they worship, their entire M.O. is not journalistic integrity, but self-preservation. My recommendation is to stop getting filtered news through all the corporate owned media networks. Watch CSPAN. Get your information from multiple sources on the Internet. You don't need the talking heads to add their bullshit 'analysis' -- think for yourself. Watch for yourself and make up your own mind!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmHas anyone else figured out that IRI is a caricature?
Has he figured that out himself?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmNo IRI, we're not even. You don't KNOW me, and if you DID, you'd realize that I don't use any of those words that you wrote. Stop trying to put all black people into the box that you see on TV or the few black people you may associate with (it must be a few, because if you knew more than a few, you wouldn't spew the stupid shyte you're spewing.)
February 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pm#39 - I have - here he is....
February 8th, 2006 at 12:32 pmDidn't you expect this type of outrage after the elder Bush commented he had never seen a funeral service with so much passion and involvement? Made me wonder just how truly insulated he is that he wasn't even aware it was common place for many denominations. Seems Tucker suffers from the same insulation. (Oh, and Tucker also likes to make issues where there are none.)
February 8th, 2006 at 12:33 pmHoly crap, IRI. If there was any doubt as to your utter hatred, racism, and lack of understanding of the word of Jesus Christ, it has certainly been confirmed now.
Comment by SuperEdo
That's what the Walking Dead have said all along, where have you been? By the way, Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah. He is in favor of equal treatment under law, working for a living, pastors who are more concerned with the soul than the bank account and killing the enemies of the Church when they threaten the flock. Naturally I can back all of that up as I have more than just a anecdotal possession of the Word of God, something you losers can't be bothered with.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:33 pm[...] UPDATE 11:29 a.m.: Lowery responded to Tucker Carlos last night: CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair. But again, it seemed very uncomfortable to say something like that in a funeral with the president right there. It seemed like bad manners. [...]
February 8th, 2006 at 12:34 pmTo all right wing Bushite al Crackers and al Cracker wannabes who felt like-tucker Carlson- that the funeral for Mrs. King was politicized and Rev. Lowery's words were ill tempered and bad manners:
George W. Bush's very presence at that funeral was "bad manners"...
...everything he has done since he stole the office has been the antithesis of the King legacy...
...bring Satan among the Saints, and they (the Saints) have a duty to rebuke and shame him...
February 8th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI-RIGHT-I's idea of "men of faith" is probably more like this....
http://pandagon.net/2006/02/08/why-bushs-faith-based-bs-has-little-to-do-with-faith/
Enslave the poor to enrich the already rich... in the name of god and victims of catastrophies. Why not? Nothing they can do about it right? *amen*
Hypocrite.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:44 pmTHIS IS HOW BUSH IS SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS:
Army forces wounded GI to pay for bloodied body armor
By ALLISON BARKER
Associated Press
Posted February 8 2006, 11:44 AM EST
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- A former U.S. soldier injured in Iraq says he was forced to pay $700 for a blood-soaked body armor vest that was destroyed after medics removed it to treat shrapnel wounds to his arm.
First Lt. William ``Eddie'' Rebrook IV, 25, had to leave the Army because of his injuries. But before he could be discharged last week, he had to scrounge up cash from his buddies to pay for the body armor or face not being discharged for months. Rebrook was billed because a supply officer failed to document that the vest had been destroyed more than a year ago as a biohazard.
``I last saw the (body armor) when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter,'' Rebrook told his hometown newspaper, The Charleston Gazette. ``They took it off me and burned it.''
Rebrook's story spurred action Tuesday from U.S. Sens. Robert C. Byrd and Jay Rockefeller, both West Virginia Democrats.
``I've been in touch with his family, and I've already written (Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld) to request that they immediately refund his money and review this horrendous policy,'' said Rockefeller, a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. ``I'm shocked that he has been treated this way by our military.''
Byrd questioned Gen. Peter Schoomaker, chief of staff of the Army, on Tuesday during a Senate Armed Services Committee budget hearing.
``How can it be that the Defense Department, which is requesting $439 billion in this budget, has to resort to dunning a wounded soldier for $700 to replace a piece of body armor?'' Byrd asked.
Schoomaker called Rebrook's story unusual and promised Byrd to ``correct it if there's any truth to it.''
Rockefeller said he first met Rebrook when he was an ROTC cadet at a Charleston high school and later nominated him to the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y., where he graduated with honors. Rebrook then spent four years on active duty, including six months in Iraq.
Rebrook's mother, Beckie Drumheler, said soldiers who serve their country and put their lives on the line deserve better. ``My son loved the Army and was proud of serving his country. For any soldier to be treated like this is outrageous,'' she said.
Rebrook was standing in the turret of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle when a roadside bomb exploded Jan. 11, 2005. The explosion fractured his arm and severed an artery. His arm never completely recovered despite seven operations. He still has range-of- motion problems and pain.
Rebrook said he tried to get a battalion commander to sign a waiver for the Kevlar vest, but the officer declined. He was told he would have to supply statements from witnesses to verify the body armor was taken from him and burned.
His story has prompted donations from residents. A local radio station raised $700 within 90 minutes Tuesday, and one woman dropped off a $200 check by his mother's home.
``I thought that was pretty nice that people care,'' said Rebrook's stepfather, Charles Drumheler.
Rebrook's father, Ed Rebrook, a Charleston lawyer, said while the donations were appreciated, his son did not plan to accept them.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI am a straight, white, Christian, Mississippian and traditional conservative (not neo-con). I am offended by all of the ignorant statements by posters on here who identify themselves as "conservative" and their apologists stances on the dismal, and completely un-conservative, record of Bush. I am also sick of their beating everyone down with their bastardized and politicized version of Christianity but then fain offense when a pastor states his understanding of the Christian message at the funeral of a renowned human rights and anti-war hero. Too friggin bad if Bush was present. It was one of the few times that he's allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of people who disagree with him and his regime. Maybe if he spent more time listening to these people and considering his own fallibility he would be a decent leader. I'm not holding my breath!
Mr. "Right between the eyes" AKA, I-Right-I, you are the most offensive of all. Your level of ignorance is amazing but your willingness to put your ignorance on public display blows my mind. Negro? Are you serious? Somehow I imagine that that was your idea of being polite. It's a good thing that the Reverend wasn't gay or he probably would have been referred to as a fag negro. I don't know where you live but you need to try to push yourself into the 20th century! Maybe then there will be hope that, at some point, you could join the rest of us in the 21st! If I can learn the evils of racist, homophobic and Christo-facist dogma in Mississippi, then there must be hope for everyone. Even I-R-I.
jersey/DC girl, WELL SAID AND AAAAAAAAAAMEN!
February 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek lives up to everything that we've come to expect of him/her/it. It's monumental ignorance and racist underpinnings, obviously brought on by its confusion about its sexuality and deep rooted (and seemingly well deserved) insecurities, are best exemplified by its undeserving condescension in telling an African American that it is perfectly acceptable for them to be called "negro" against their wishes. The disconnect is so vast that you could sail a cruise ship through it.
What I witnessed of the ceremony was that it was moving and poignant. Which for myself, considering who was being honored and paid tribute to, seemed not just appropriate, but perfect. However, my opinion is not relevant. Now, if any of the King's children had objections then that would be the only appropriate source of criticism. At this point, I have heard no such outcry.
IMHO, that so many spoke truth to power at a ceremony for Mrs. King was a tribute of the highest order. Goodbye Miss Coretta, thank you for your honorable service to humanity, and may your memory be honored through the continuance of the fight that you dedicated your life to.
Oh yes, and to Reverend Lowery: Amen sir, amen.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYou know what,there is no more civility left in me for these thugs. In their face. ALL THE TIME. Impeach the bastards.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmWho in the hell can take Tucker seriously?
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI mean, just look at him and you break out laughing.
#45 - I'd love to see you try and support your filth! You're going to get torn apart. You must love pain. You must love looking completely stupid.
Go ahead. Try. Try defending by using the words of people who never knew Jesus, never met him, and who ALL wrote the words you might like to pretend you know oh so well 150 years after the fact!
With the likes of people like you, it's no wonder the world now hates America.
Can you say American Taliban? I thought you could.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmNo IRI, we’re not even. You don’t KNOW me, and if you DID, you’d realize that I don’t use any of those words that you wrote. Stop trying to put all black people into the box that you see on TV or the few black people you may associate with (it must be a few, because if you knew more than a few, you wouldn’t spew the stupid shyte you’re spewing.)
Comment by jersey/DC girl
You said "we" Sugar Pants. You put yourself in that box. I'd stop that if I were you. I will admit to being a bit jaded. We just about 150,000 permanent visitors from Ray Nagin's Chocolate City and it really hasn't been working out that well for us.
But the fact is I look at Black/White relations and problems the way I do West/Islam relations and problems. There may be only a small percentage of radical idiots but one would never know because the voices of reason are not being heard. In the case of Black America where there is a voice of reason it's shouted down by the mob. I don't know Sugar, it's beyond me.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmnever met and share nothing in commmon with
I think Tucker met MLK in a dream. He spit on him.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pmwow the discussion moves quickly in here...I will try to keep up....sometimes work prevents me from responding as soon as I would hope....
greg wirth--#14 the agenda is not always clear and that is the greatest part of the lefts problem right now....however-what is clear is that the left is being pulled waaayyyy left by a few... ie./boxer/dean/kerry/kennedy/mikemoore/franken/etc...too left for many americans.....(regardless of what is said in these forums)
by the way....I have no problem criticizing the pres, there is certainly many areas that can be criticized....
Fred #18
February 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pm“speaking truth to power"....what about the truths that we wont discuss in this forum because it would certainly make MLK look anything but the great man he was...truth to power is a great quote...but it cant be used selectively in playing to an audience....especially during the funeral of a great women.....if you believe its ok....that explains your pov....unfortunately for you--many people thought it to be out of place....
Funerals are for the living, the dead could give a shit.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIf anyone is seriously confused about what Martin would have said, they can read his "Casualties of the Viet Nam War" for a clear answer.
He could have delivered that speech at the funeral and it would have been as relevant today as it was almost 40 years ago. To show you how relevant it is, simply substitute "Iraq" for "Viet Nam", "Middle East" for "Southeast Asia," "Saddam" for "Diem," and "Donald Rumsfeld" for "John Foster Dulles."
For those with short attention spans:
As King noted, "There is an element of urgency in our re-directing American powers. We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today."
Click here for the Updated Version
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February 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmThose who surrender their history invariably lose their freedom.
Too friggin bad if Bush was present. It was one of the few times that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of people who disagree with him and his regime.
Comment by Zeke #50
Sorry to "disagree" with you Zeke on this minor point...
You see Bushiva played "politics" when he attended that funeral...
...and got royally "copulated"...
February 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI am secretly in love with Tuckitunder Carlson. I can't keep from scrolling to the top of the page to glance at his moist open mouth between expressions of bigotry.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmBlow them all away, in the Name of the Lord
February 8th, 2006 at 12:58 pm...many people thought it to be out of place…
The opinion of your KKK chapter really isn't germaine to this discussion.
February 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pmwhat about the truths that we wont discuss in this forum because it would certainly make MLK look anything but the great man he was...
Comment by mike #57
Well which is it Miscreant?
Was he, or wasn't he "a great man"?
You seem to want to produce evidence to the contrary...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pm#45, whoah there, Tex, getting ahead of ourselves there aren't we? What's wrong with doing the Lord's work and making a dollar or two on the side?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:01 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I would never be so arrogant and delusional to claim to speak for God, as you do. However, I am certain based upon my studies of Jesus of Nazareth and his philosophies that his message to you would be: "Get away from me Satan!"
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmLet's hope the racist right's false outrage backfires and motivates African Americans to get out and vote.
The message is pretty clear: Conservatives have been trying to tell African Americans what to do, how to act, and how to think since the 18th century. Clearly nothing has changed.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:08 pmInvade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pmbig pappa, you must have missed my point. My point was that no one should apologize for offending Bush at the funeral. It was the first time that he's allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of the masses of people who disagree with him and the result was a much deserved slap in his face. I agree his presence was a shameful and hypocritical political display. That's why I find it so interesting that people take offense at the completely appropriate political message that was genuinely expressed by the pastor.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWell said, Zeke.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:17 pmPat Robertson is a farce, a thief, and a liar.
(did i mention gay?)
Comment by HOT! TIP!
HOT! TIP! I'm straight and even I find that comment to be offensive to gay people. He may or may not be a closeted homosexual but he is not "gay". And the way you stated that it sounds like you're equating "gay" with "thief" and liar. Which sounds more like his ideology. My gay friends are extremely ethical, moral and civil.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:17 pmWhen, oh when, will TP ban I-Right-I? Major distraction to the discussion, which is his goal.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pmDon't feed the trolls!
The last funeral I went too a Southern Baptist preacher was preachin' hell fire intsstead of consoling that family. Was that IRI the right thing to do?
At an Activist Red Dr Lowery did the right thing and the only thing an activist must do to a sniveling ego maniac insecure war mongering american poor hating bastard!
I say strip bush of his millions and power and force him to live the life of a homeless man........
Tucker Carlson has been know to wrestle with Ann (adams apple) Coulter and ended up red faced when he was asked what happen in the green room >)anyone care to guess lol
February 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmOnce again, Oliver Willis said it the best yesterday.
Amen
February 7, 2006
Martin Luther King Jr. and Coretta Scott King probably would not have wanted George Bush at their funeral. They were fighting for lowering the taxes of rich white people, they were fighting for equality, something the conservatives hate. Just read I-RIGHT-I's post in #7 and tell me if Coretta was fighting for his side.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:23 pmIf the MLK children all agreed on the speakers and the tone at the memorial it would be the first thing they all agreed on in a very long time. It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ. Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement. In any other situation a god fearing American would be written off as a hick, fundamentalist, wingnut, and bigot. All you got to do is hate bush and then work backwards from there. GW took a lotta hits yesterday and still shook hands and smiled with his detractors. That takes class. And last. It was John Kennedy's and Lyndon Johnson's administration that bugged MLK's phones and intercepted his mail. (All in the name of national security or course.)
LSBrewer
February 8th, 2006 at 1:26 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I would never be so arrogant and delusional to claim to speak for God, as you do. However, I am certain based upon my studies of Jesus of Nazareth and his philosophies that his message to you would be: “Get away from me Satan!â€
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
Comment by Optimist
I can't speak for Him but I can tell you what He said if you don't have the time to read if for yourself.
Wrong about what?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmNEVER, NEVER, NEVER censor the speech of bigots! They can do more to shine a light on the evils of racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia than all the human rights activists combined. Every time the Coulter's and Robertson's and Phelps' and O'Reilly's and I-R-I's open their collective mouths, the more fair minded Americans realize the truth of their hateful messages. I am a big believer in giving people like this as much rope as possible. They will always end up hanging themselve in the end. As long as we maintain our civility in responding to them, eventually they will be exposed. However, if we respond to their hate with hate then we lose credibility in our message. Wasn't that the heart of the message of Dr. and Mrs. King?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmThe message is pretty clear: Conservatives have been trying to tell African Americans what to do, how to act, and how to think since the 18th century. Clearly nothing has changed.
Comment by Anti Warhol
That's right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren't worth a shit at picking leaders.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmfix the damned link.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmZeke - you are missing the point. Most people think Jimmy Carter's shameless talk of the black victims in Katrina makes him a bigot. He is inciting race when most of the homeless, post Katrina, are white, not black.
Continue to cheer race baiting at your own peril. The right will make sure the public hears it before election day and we will lock you out another election. If you want to take back Congress, let me help you. You do not have the common sense to achieve what should be such an easy task.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmBack on topic:
I feel Lowery handled himself quite well yesterday and today. V.nice to see and listen to an articulate man.
I just wish we had one in the WhiteHouse (articulate, that is).
February 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmMs. Brewer,
Besides displaying enormous ignorance to history, you also reveal your racist desires and present the most convoluted argument imaginable. However much they are paying you to troll the blogs is fortunately being wasted.
If you truly wish to live in a theocratic dictatorship where dissent is punished, then you better build yourself a time machine because the rest of the world has blown by you.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:34 pmI wonder where this little lot fits in with Adolf's (I-RightArmRaised-I's) interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ:
"I hate the French, they pretty much invented the Filthy Left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 1, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, what does a Mexcian know about ethics anyway?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 25, 2005 @ 12:41 pm
I think the lesson here is that if you can’t say something nice about the Negro in New Orleans, don’t say anything at all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 7, 2005 @ 9:43 am
[Mexican corruption] is a problem but nothing a little Puritan Fundamentalist Christianity couldn’t cure. Ever notice that everything the Catholics touch turns to shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the South that a few thousand dangling from the nearest light pole Leftists wouldn’t cure.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 4, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
We need more women in the kitchen cooking dinner.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 1, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
[Women should NOT vote] Because they f e e l , they don’t think. There are exceptions to the rule and they all agree with me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 2, 2005 @ 5:39 pm "
After all, Hitler was a Christian too...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:34 pm#90 - you are no better than the radical Muslims torching the Euro embassies. If you had your way, you would murder all your ideologlical opponents. You are SICK and can never be trusted on issues that most Americans care about.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:36 pm#85, I need to add that one to Gregor's collection. Ever heard of Nelson Mandela, Adolf?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmTucker Carlson, I think your bowties are too tight, they are cutting off the circulation to your brain.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmThe truth was spoken in Atlanta yesterday, but you Republican hacks just can't handle the truth. Can you?
big pappa, you must have missed my point. My point was that no one should apologize for offending Bush at the funeral. It was the first time that he’s allowed himself to be exposed to the opinions of the masses of people who disagree with him and the result was a much deserved slap in his face.
Comment by Zeke #76
Right on Zeke,
We're on the same page...
His "political" grandstanding put him before an audience that wasn't hanpicked...
...and they brought him his hat and showed him to the door...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmI may be appalled at the astonishingly bad manners of Joe Lowery, Jimmah C. and others attending Mrs. King's funeral, but I’m not the least bit upset about it. Personally, I love it when the fever swamp gets hysterical at a funeral. For example, that Wellstone memorial was a doozy. It sure helped us elect Norm Coleman in Minnesota, and I think it probably affected swing voters in some other states, too. Those election victories, in turn, brought us John Roberts and Sam Alito, among other things. So bring it on, lefties. The cameras are rolling, and the voters are watching.
PS: By contrast, President Bush was the epitome of good manners and good taste in his touching tribute to Mrs. King. There just really isn't any substitute for good breeding.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmI can get paid for doing this? Wow.
Let me know a little more about my igorance of history.
Let me know more about Lestor Madox, George Wallace, Orvil Fabous, William J. Fullbright and all the rest of the Southern Deomcrates thet MLK had to deal with.
Paid people don't use their real name.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmYou said “we†Sugar Pants. You put yourself in that box. I’d stop that if I were you. I will admit to being a bit jaded. We just about 150,000 permanent visitors from Ray Nagin’s Chocolate City and it really hasn’t been working out that well for us. Comment by IRI
Easy there IRI. Sugar Pants? Again, you don't know me, so don't call me sugar pants, k? And I said "we" SPECIFICALLY about southern African American funerals, not language or anything else. So learn how to read and understand context, k? And who the HELL was talking about Ray Nagin? Learn to stay on topic, k?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pmRightly So,
Most people think Jimmy Carter’s shameless talk of the black victims in Katrina makes him a bigot. He is inciting race when most of the homeless, post Katrina, are white, not black.
You have no relation to facts and that is unfortunate for you. However, you do illustrate clearly the disconnect that the "right" has chosen in regards to reality. Perhaps when you get through puberty you will finally learn to read and think. Until then, you will remain the dolt that you have so aptly exhibited yourself to be.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#95 - right on. Of course, these fanatics will all be crying "Swift Boat" when we point out their hate speech.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:40 pmiRi is of the same group of people who believe that the mass-kidnapping, murder, and enslavement of Africans was somehow beneficial to their history and progress on a global level.
Attempting to convince this person otherwise will get you nowhere. having already refused to address 'negroes' as African Americans - iRi has displayed a level of willfull ignorance that cannot be reversed over any amount of conversation (and definitely NOT by blogging).
for ex. he feels that since a some African Americans use the 'n word'...then logically all must -
and this is a ridiculous assumption for obvious reasons.
the few don't speak for the many.
furthermore - how can any caucasian's view of African thought be considered as 'radical' in light of the horrendous atrocities that built this country?
Nat Turners revolt happened for a reason.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:41 pmIt always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ. Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement. In any other situation a god fearing American would be written off as a hick, fundamentalist, wingnut, and bigot. All you got to do is hate bush and then work backwards from there. GW took a lotta hits yesterday and still shook hands and smiled with his detractors. That takes class. And last. It was John Kennedy’s and Lyndon Johnson’s administration that bugged MLK’s phones and intercepted his mail. (All in the name of national security or course.)
LSBrewer
Comment by Larry Brewer
I'm never surprised at the hypocrisy and lies of the Filthy Left at any time but they are particularly bad when it comes to the God they don't believe in and that fictional character Jesus of Nazareth.
Oh, by the way, JFK and Hoover had MLK bugged because he was either a willing or unwitting dupe of the Soviets and it's all well documented in the FBI archives. It's not hard to understand if you're familiar with the Jesuit's shot at Liberation Theology during that time. King was attempting to do the same thing with the Blacks here in the USA. King had a lot of nice pretty speeches but his politics were contradictory to his faith. That's what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
Oh, you were right about George W. Bush. He handled that irreligious and despicable display of those fuckwits with grace and style. He's a better man than all of them put together. I think Jesus would agree.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#98 - you are politically tone deaf. It is obvious. I could teach you a view things about politics. Lesson One: Former Presidents are better seen and not heard. No one likes a bitter, digusting, left wing mouthpiece when you are supposed to be above that.
Additionally, I have about 444 reasons why Carter should keep his mouth shut. He was a disgraceful President and is reason numero uno we have the problems we have with Iran today.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pmI hate to even bring him/it up but posters like "IRI" thrive on the attention, negative or otherwise. Thus, the thread, originally about the Lowery/Carlson exchange is now systematically degenerated into "The IRI Show": exactly what was desired from this poster. The strangest part is, he *may* have completely reasonable beliefs but the enjoyment he gets out of his cyber-chain-yanking pulls rank on reason (or, he may just be a right-wing nutjob).
Regarding Tucker, aside from losing the horrifically stupid bowtie, if he could just occasionally not be suck a kiss-ass to the powers that be, it would be refreshing. And no, he's not gay. No sensible self-declaring gay man would ever try to get away with that fashion faux pas. Of course, there's that patent-leather-clad queen I saw the other night in Chelsea, so, maybe he's just confused...on several levels.
Regarding Rev. Lowery, I agree with the fact that the King family invited him and knew what to expect. Four presidents were in attendance at Mrs. King's funeral, Bush Sr. & Jr., Clinton and Carter, two Republicans, two Democrats. There were numerous points of view and the audience responded, sometimes with standing ovations, to what rang true in their hearts. Whatever the pundits may think, it doesn't matter a damn (aside from the fact that they get a massive broadcast platform from which to convey it).
The Kings fought against injustice, inequality, terrorism (aka KKK), the scourge of poverty and the pointlessness of war. As a teenager who listened to and took heart in those speeches and messages, I thought, by now, we'd have certainly arrived at the dawn of a golden age, that we would've profoundly learned from the mistakes made in other wars we, for all intents and purposes, manipulated for our own purposes of control and/or fear. I truly thought we'd "study war, no more." A naive position, to be sure.
At the height of the Cold War, former President Eisenhower expressed a view that remains so incredibly applicable today, "[W]e now stand in the vestibule of a vast new technological age--one that, despite its capacity for human destruction, has an equal capacity to make poverty and human misery obsolete."
Which direction is this presidential administration choosing? Your answer (or your denial) should make it clearer to others, if not to you, where your focus and your good will for your fellow humans genuinely lie.
There's too much work to be done to prattle on with this kind of b.s. We DO stand at the threshold of a golden age. Unfortunately, old Iron Age mentalities still are trying to rig the Apocalypse of biblical proportions so they can beam proudly at how prophetic their holy scriptures truly were. If we let them, they will literally bomb us back to that primitive past they glorify with the embrace of their equally primitive dogma.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pm#90-you are no better than the radical Muslims torching the Euro embassies. If you had your way, you would murder all your ideologlical opponents. You are SICK and can never be trusted on issues that most Americans care about.
Comment by Rightly So... #91
Yo Terry!
...looks like you struck a nerve...
....ahhhh, another satisfied inbred...
...Rightupma*sh'o'le...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pm"The man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 11:48 am
They said the same things about Martin Luther King, you bigot.
"That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Like Martin Luther King, bigot?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThis is for Optimist
On October 10, 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy committed what is widely viewed as one of the most ignominious acts in modern American history: he authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation to begin wiretapping the telephones of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
lb
February 8th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI wish we could get some new trolls that are smart.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmLet me know more about Lestor Madox, George Wallace, Orvil Fabous, William J. Fullbright and all the rest of the Southern Deomcrates thet MLK had to deal with.
Paid people don’t use their real name.
Comment by Larry Brewer
Yes Larry, please do get your facts right. Those are the same kind of "Democrats" (known as "Dixiecrats") that flocked to the Republican Party under Reagan. They were Civil War era Democrats but certainly didn't reflect the stated planks of the Democratic party of the 60's. They feel quite at home in the modern day, neo-con Republican Party. Any moron could put that two plus two together!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmbig papa...there you are...I have missed the inbred comments so much...thanks for the laughs....and proving what a fool you are....and the bold...keep it up.....
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmIRI wrote: That’s what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
"axed" for "asked". Very telling. Very telling indeed.
Rest my case.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmthe audio on this video isn't working.someone fix it, or I'll have to put you on notice.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pm"It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ."
Since Bush is just using religion for a political prop, what amazes me are the number of rubes who fall for it over, and over, and over ...
February 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmMs. Brewer,
Just so you know, if Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek agrees with you, then you have just received your merit badge for being a racist Neanderthal devil worshiper who willingly sells themselves into slavery just so they can get the attention that they have been denied but so desperately crave.
Sorry pal, it's the company that you keep.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pm“That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.â€
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Like Martin Luther King, bigot?
Comment by dano347
King took them five paces forward and ten paces back. It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl.
In hindsight I think Bill Cosby would have made a better leader. I doubt he would have butcher the Christian Gospel to make his political points.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#105, I thought he was agreeing with me that IRI was a foul, bigoted sociopath - a little enthusiastic in supporting me but still. IRI is no better than the Muslims who are running riot at the moment - he's probably a bit worse since he's more malignant that ignorant.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:51 pmHOT! TIP! I commend and honor you and your daughter's service to our country. I am a veteran of the first, and only legitimate, gulf war myself. I agree that they spew a lot of dangerous shit. But one of the things that we, or at least I, fought for was our belief that they have a right to say it. I still say that we should let them speak and counter their lies and propaganda with the truth. Eventually the truth wins out every time. Sadly that truth too often comes at the expense of the lives thousands of our best and brightest young people.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:52 pmlarry #82 - "It always amazes me how the left can wrap themselves around Christianity when it is spoken by a Bush Hater in the name of Jesus Christ."
February 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pmfirst - rev. lowery, as a true christian, does not "hate" bush - only the policies...
second - get familiar with jim wallis, matthew fox, michael lerner, etc, to learn of other true christian activists
and: "Secularism is at the foundation of the liberial leftist movement" - to be sure, it is the foundation of OUR, YOURs too, Constitutional democratic government...
it always amazes me how the right are so willing to give that up...
"It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl."
Oh, my, my, my, - do you twitter to yourself as you type such tripe?
Where did you get your degree, Bob Jones University?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:54 pmI do have my facts right. Was Lestor Madox a Democrate? What about the rest? You all are so hopless. If you can't distance yourself from the past you just rename the criminals so not to be associated. To assume that Fabus would have ever voted republican is really far fetched. William Fullbright might have been off center but he managed to bring up with him at least one modern day democrate, Bill Clinton.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#66 big poopoo...
Here we go...about time...MLK was a great man...but if you know anything about his personal life you know that is was anything but great (do the research big poopoo)...I am not about to sling the mud like you do so easily when you cant debate/converse/discuss.....
Miscreant? I think I like the inbred....hit me with the inbred...please? please?
February 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThtopit everyone on tha left,thtopit, you're hurting the right-wingth's feeeeeeeeelings.They can take all the critithithims you want about murder,lying,breaking the law,unjusth war,crushing the poor,lack of ethicths,not helpig of their own thitithens, ethetera, but pleathe don't hurt their feeeeeeeelingth with truthful wordths. They fear their own reflectionths.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmIgnorant-Really-Ignorant
How did King butcher the gospel? My are you silly!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:57 pmiRi is of the same group of people who believe that the mass-kidnapping, murder, and enslavement of Africans was somehow beneficial to their history and progress on a global level.
Attempting to convince this person otherwise will get you nowhere. having already refused to address ‘negroes’ as African Americans - iRi has displayed a level of willfull ignorance that cannot be reversed over any amount of conversation (and definitely NOT by blogging).
for ex. he feels that since a some African Americans use the ‘n word’…then logically all must -
and this is a ridiculous assumption for obvious reasons.
the few don’t speak for the many.
furthermore - how can any caucasian’s view of African thought be considered as ‘radical’ in light of the horrendous atrocities that built this country?
Nat Turners revolt happened for a reason.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pm"I think I like the inbred….hit me with the inbred…please? please?"
Comment by mike — February 8, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
Sounds kinky -typical republican!
February 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pmHey new troll, we are the ones who defended Tom Toles cartoon here in the US. It was the right driven joint chiefs of staff that tried to censor it.
The right is no better than the extremist Muslims who are burning embassies. Get your facts straight.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:59 pmDear newbie troll, do you know the difference between hate speech and dissent?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:00 pmBy the way, Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah.
Interesting. My father is a retired Episcopal priest and he has done far more in terms of scholarly reading and takes the opposite view. My readings are more in line with his as well. Perhaps you do not know your Lord as well as you think?
Recall that Jesus spoke Truth to Power in his time. He was considered a radical. This is WHY he was tortured until he died. His point was that change does NOT occur by killing others (recall again, love thine enemies and turn the other cheek? he opposed blood feuds which resulted in pointless deaths).
"Radical Negro clergy?" That's a term I haven't heard since the 60's. Pat Robertson calling for assignation - wouldn't that be radical Caucasian Clergy?
He is in favor of equal treatment under law, working for a living, pastors who are more concerned with the soul than the bank account and killing the enemies of the Church when they threaten the flock.
When a company has more protections than an individual, that is not equal treatment. When a President illegally spies and is not called down for it, that is not equal treatment. When the rich are favored over the poor, that is not equal treatment. So, by your definition, Jesus would be appalled at this Administration.
And I must have missed the whole 'Jesus killing for the Church' thing. Was that in the Book of Rambo?
However, he DID say "Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?" Are you the type to give stones when people are in want for food? Is this not what happened during Katrina?
Naturally I can back all of that up as I have more than just a anecdotal possession of the Word of God, something you losers can’t be bothered with.
So far you haven't really convinced me you don't have more than a "700 Club" view of the Church (just a hint: 700 is 666 rounded up).
Feloneous
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmPunky Brewer,
WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SOUTHERN PLAN! EVEN KENNY MEHLMANN ADMITTED THE REPUGS WENT AFTER DISATISFIED RACIST DIXIECRATS TO REGAIN THE SOUTH. WOW!!
SIT DOWN. SHUT UP. CASE F*CKING CLOSED
February 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pmIRI wrote: That’s what happens when you try and build a kingdom on this earth when you were never axed to.
“axed†for “askedâ€. Very telling. Very telling indeed.
Rest my case.
Comment by Rick
It's worse than that if you can believe it. When ever they (not all) pronounce "ask" as "ax" it I correct them.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:02 pmSo far you haven’t really convinced me you don’t have more than a “700 Club†view of the Church (just a hint: 700 is 666 rounded up).
Feloneous
Comment by feloneouscat
They don't pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWhat the radical right doesn't want to admit is that Jesus WAS black.
The bible states Jesus had skin of bronze and woolen hair like a sheep fur.
Aww, too bad you are so racist. I don't think Jesus is going to be happy about that.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pmCan I get an AMEM!
February 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pmAnother admission that I-RIGHT-I is a paid stooge.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBeware!! The trolls have been exceptionally good about hijacking good threads today.
Don't get caught up in their bullshit. No one believes them but themselves.
Rise above it.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmJesus: Wrong for America
February 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmWow ladies and gentlemen. IRI is a Political Science, English, Constitutional, Geography, Geology, and a Biblical scholoar.
Let's all bow and worship or great leaders butt buddy with the recognition of respect he deserves.
IRI, I solute you. (with my middle finger)
February 8th, 2006 at 2:09 pm"When ever they (not all) pronounce “ask†as “ax†it I correct them."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 2
No, I'd imagine you only tell it to the Gary Coleman types, 'cause if you tried it with a Mike Tyson type, they'd be "ax"ing you how you'd like your ass-wupped.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:10 pmOptimist, Katy and all the rest of you guys...
There are many in the left moverment that would side with you on this agrument. But I doubt I would find you tied to a tree in front of a bulldozer. Or perhaps breakking into a lab that used animals for drug testing. Or any other frenge group that hangs onto the demnocrate party united by their common hate of GW Bush. While you may not be in lock step with every cause that comes under the liberial banner, you too, are the company you keep.
I was right about the Kennedys wiretapping MLK, so they were dixiecrates too I guess?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThey don’t pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
So far you haven't convinced me you know the Bible, Jesus, or, heck, much of anything.
And who the hell pays you to post?
Come'on "axe" boy, cough up one or two gems from the beloved Bible or shut yo' trap. I'll guarantee to meet AND beat them.
Show us where Jesus recommends killing for the Church. THAT I've got to see.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:12 pmThey don’t pay me enough to actually try and convince Walking Dead Liberals of anything.
So far you haven't convinced me you know the Bible, Jesus, or, heck, much of anything.
And who the hell pays you to post?
Come'on "axe" boy, cough up one or two gems from the beloved Bible or shut yo' trap. I'll guarantee to meet AND beat them.
Show us where Jesus recommends killing for the Church. THAT I've got to see.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI hate to even bring him/it up but posters like “IRI†thrive on the attention, negative or otherwise.
Comment by Rick
Bullshit, you know you want it baby.
Thus, the thread, originally about the Lowery/Carlson exchange is now systematically degenerated into “The IRI Showâ€: exactly what was desired from this poster. The strangest part is, he *may* have completely reasonable beliefs but the enjoyment he gets out of his cyber-chain-yanking pulls rank on reason (or, he may just be a right-wing nutjob).
No, it's not the IRI Show, it's the "IRI School of Shit You Should Already Know" Yes, I do have a good time here so, sue me.
Regarding Rev. Lowery, I agree with the fact that the King family invited him and knew what to expect. Four presidents were in attendance at Mrs. King’s funeral, Bush Sr. & Jr., Clinton and Carter, two Republicans, two Democrats. There were numerous points of view and the audience responded, sometimes with standing ovations, to what rang true in their hearts. Whatever the pundits may think, it doesn’t matter a damn (aside from the fact that they get a massive broadcast platform from which to convey it).
Anyone who witnessed the reaction of the American Negro (not all of them) to OJ Simpson's acquittal doesn't get to excited about anything they (not all of them) will cheer for.
The Kings fought against injustice, inequality, terrorism (aka KKK), the scourge of poverty and the pointlessness of war. As a teenager who listened to and took heart in those speeches and messages, I thought, by now, we’d have certainly arrived at the dawn of a golden age, that we would’ve profoundly learned from the mistakes made in other wars we, for all intents and purposes, manipulated for our own purposes of control and/or fear. I truly thought we’d “study war, no more.†A naive position, to be sure.
Not just naive but stupid and betraying a monumental ignorance of human nature.
At the height of the Cold War, former President Eisenhower expressed a view that remains so incredibly applicable today, “[W]e now stand in the vestibule of a vast new technological age–one that, despite its capacity for human destruction, has an equal capacity to make poverty and human misery obsolete.â€
See above comment about idiot Utopians. I don't think Ike believed a word of it but if he did he had some real issues with ego to think mankind has the capacity to make human misery obsolete. If he really wanted to do that he would have started by nuking Red China when they didn't have the bomb.
Which direction is this presidential administration choosing? Your answer (or your denial) should make it clearer to others, if not to you, where your focus and your good will for your fellow humans genuinely lie.
There’s too much work to be done to prattle on with this kind of b.s. We DO stand at the threshold of a golden age. Unfortunately, old Iron Age mentalities still are trying to rig the Apocalypse of biblical proportions so they can beam proudly at how prophetic their holy scriptures truly were. If we let them, they will literally bomb us back to that primitive past they glorify with the embrace of their equally primitive dogma.
Yep, Utopian dumbass. People like you turn into Stalin's when you gain power.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:13 pmLarry Brewer - Yes, Kennedy did spy on MLK. You may not have noticed, but since then we have come a long way. We have enacted laws that prevent this kind of power abuse on our citizens.
It was not right, but we as a country tried to correct it when it was found out. What are the Republicans doing now? They are trying to push it under the rug and spin it. So much for all the American Soldiers who gave their lives for this country. They served, including me, for a country that sh*t's all over the very Constitution we serve(d) to protect.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:15 pmLarry Brewer,
The same can be said for the right. I doubt I would find you bombing an abortion clinic or beating a gay man to death, who is tied to a fence, but you too are the comapny you keep.
I guess selling weapons to al Qaida in the '80s make Reagan a terrorist sympathizer also I guess?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:16 pmThe bible states Jesus had skin of bronze and woolen hair like a sheep fur.
Just out of curiosity, what passage of Scripture says this?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:16 pmBREWER THE TROLL.
THE KENNEDYS? WHICH KENNEDY'S? (watch this space)
February 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pmComment by hm
You don't have to yell. KENNY MEHLMANN ADMITTED THE REPUGS WENT AFTER DISATISFIED RACIST DIXIECRATS
So those were his exact words? You've got my attention.
LB
February 8th, 2006 at 2:20 pmMs. Brewer,
I applaud and support any and all acts of peaceful dissent and protest. I believe wholeheartedly in peace, love, and humility. Also, I value and support freedom, liberty, and equality. Now, I know all these ideals and values are foreign to you and that is your loss. However, your desire that we all surrender these values to adapt YOUR ignorance and cowardice is a desire that will be unfulfilled.
Perhaps one day you will see the light and adopt a peaceful and loving attitude and abandon your hate and insecurities. Until such time, please try to not harm others with your flailing about and gnashing of teeth.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pmJoe Lowery hasn't had this many microphones in his face since the "good ol' days" of the Civil Rights movement. I hope these few extra rays of media sunshine feel good on his old bones.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pmIt's almost as if Tucker feels that the Bush is his king rather than his president. Don't disrespect and upset the King. If MLK were alive today he would be saying the same thing about the right-wing, hell, he did it when he was alive.
Beneath all this facade, the right represents exactly what they did in the 50's and 60's, the difference is they have to be more politically correct, and the Bush Admin doesn't do well at that.
The matter is simple, Bush lied about the reason we were going to war. He misled the people. And there were no WMD's. If you are telling me that I can't express my discontent over something that people are doing to effect my life negatively, I tell you kiss my black a**.
And when innocent people are dead, the country's finances are being depleted and our well-being at home is on a decline rather than improving, that's effecting me as an american citizen.
So like I said, all you right-wingers can kiss my black a**. How's that for bad manners?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pmLying Brewr
Did he or did he not APOLOGIZE for the southern plan?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:22 pmTHE KENNEDYS? WHICH KENNEDY’S? (watch this space)
Comment by hm?
Robert and John
see... http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200207/garrow
February 8th, 2006 at 2:22 pmYour name calling is really getting old. Where did I lie?
LB
February 8th, 2006 at 2:23 pm#146
its in Revelations...
i'm sure if you google that in quotations you'll find it rather easily..
hmm what beautiful group of people have hair like wool and bronze skin? hmm thinking thinking.....
hahhaah its times like this we must all point and laugh at neo nazi Christians!
February 8th, 2006 at 2:25 pmComment by Spudge_Boy
I don't believe the term al Qaida ever came up in the Iran Contra hearings. Reagen at worst was at least as effective in dealing with the Iranians as Carter.
lb
February 8th, 2006 at 2:27 pmSo, I take it you think Jesus looked like a Swediah person? Yeah, that's it. Why wouldn't Jesus like like the people he was representing? You know, the Jews. He would be like "I am the King of Jews" and they would be like "How come you don't look anything like us. You look more like the Romans we hate."
February 8th, 2006 at 2:29 pmBeautiful response from the Rev.! Very understated with a strength of conviction and the power of truth! (No truthiness there, my friends, only the plain cold truth) His obvious love and kind heart shows that he knows the same God I do. I pray that we can one day wake up from this right-wing nightmare!
February 8th, 2006 at 2:29 pmBesides Saddam Hussein, who else do you think we funded to get the Iranians? It was al Qaida. I don't care if you want to believe the truth, but there it is.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBSR,
The tactic of attempting to discredit the truth by marginalizing the messenger is as old as the hills and beneath a civilized and consciable society. My past conversations with you have indicated that you are too intelligent to engage in such.
What, if any, rebuttal do you have to the truths spoken by Reverend Lowery?
February 8th, 2006 at 2:31 pmThe fact that we have more trolls here than ever in the history of Think Progress since I started posting here only goes to show the level of damage control they are doing.
Too bad that Monday, Alberto Gonzales made you guys look bad.
Then Tuesday Rev. Dr. Jospeh Lowery made you look bad. FOllowed up by Russ Feingold proving the case for impeachment.
Must be hard work trying to put out all these fires.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:33 pmHey Larry Brewer - You sure seem pretty quick to point out what previous presidents did wrong, but fail to include what was done to correct the issue.
How about pointing out what your president has done wrong, since there is such a long list I will let you pick one, and tell us what is being done to correct the issue.
Here is an example for you.
Nixon spying: Introduction to the FISA act.
Clinton warrantless physical searches: Ammendment to the FISA act.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:34 pmSilly Larry
....at least read the article that you've linked to before posting...and you thought this proved your point that "the Kennedys" tapped MLK. Just show's your ability to conflate one Kennedy w. all Kennedys. Thats why I asked which Kennedy. Now go clean the sh*t out of your pants.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
#125 Typical lib....when a lefty says something that might be a bit "racy" it is freedom of speech and expression.....when it comes from elsewhere it is kinky or perverted.....solid.....
February 8th, 2006 at 2:38 pmPunky (and you know who you are)
I have a very low tolerance for apologist. I must call you names to engage with you. It's the only way to hijack this post back from trolls like you.
Btw, didn't answer my question about Mehlmenn did ya? GAME. SET. MATCH.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:40 pmRobert Kennedy did authorize the wiretapping of MLK's phone. This we agree. And it's all I claimed. Reading through your reply I believe that you're justifying the act because he had recieved faulty intelligance from Jack and Morris Childs. So he made his dicision based on faulty intelligence.
And stop with the cute name calling. It's geting old.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #7
The man is an ignorant, treasonous, racist, redneck, KKK-loving, unAmerican, unpatriotic, hate mongering "Christian" demon, anti-Christ, Bushite partisan political hack and an embarrasment (sic) to the Church of Jesus Christ.
...that's my al Cracker...
I'nsidious-R'epugnant-I'dolator
February 8th, 2006 at 2:45 pmTime has long passed that TRUE Christians have their voice heard in the wilderness. The mealy-mouthed apologists for the evils of old Testament vengance and their promoters of 'life by the sword' and all related blasphemies and abominations need to go to the back of the bus or get off at the next stop!
MLKjr would have been the first in line to speak out against evil, especially at an occassion such as the funeral of a TRUE Christian soldier such as Coretta.
Right-wingers need to wake up and realize that Christ NEVER supported the rich, ALWAYS supported the poor, NEVER supported war or violence, ALWAYS supported kindness, love and pacifism.
Any attempt to warp Christianity in the way today's current crop of intolerants do is nothing less than a self-imposed one-way ticket to HELL!
February 8th, 2006 at 2:46 pmMs. Brewer,
February 8th, 2006 at 2:47 pmYour knowledge of history lacks depth. If you truly want to understand who tapped Mr. King's phones, start with who headed the FBI at the time and the political relationship between Mr. Hoover and the whitehouse. You'll gain a much greater understanding and you'll look less like a dolt.
YaY mr bow tie man
Hilarious, Does he mean like spitting gum into the palm of your hand as george did? How about Bush spying without a warrant?
How about turning the SOTU into a bunch of rehashed carp that bush can in no way back up? How about Wilkerson admitting to a HOAX on Americans? How about propagandistic FAUX media?
Was and is that GooD BehavioR?
Seems like Mr bow tie has gotten his manners confused somewhat, and as usual they are about as bakasswards are IRIs'
The president should lead on his own two feet and let Karl Advise, not dictate what George Says. This never ending Roviation (ha I didnt say bloviation=) Campaign Rhetoric is nothing but rehash. Its old hat.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:48 pmCould someone help me link the al Qaida to the Iran-Iraq war. It my be due to the various spellings of al Qaida but I can't find it. Sorry.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:50 pmOh, wow, so now it's bad manners to criticize Republicans, and its anti-American to critize this president, and it's against the troops and our security to critize the war....
...sounds like facism to me.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:50 pmLB (cause I know you all love to cry when we're mean)--
Never justified Bobby's authorization. Nice try. You tried to lay all fault with the kennedys (read: democratic party) for the authorization. Even it what you said was true, I still think it was wrong. That's what you repiglikkkans dont get.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:51 pmIts funny how you were almost ready to admit that RFK was wrong until you realized then it would make Bush wrong for making a decision based on bad intelligence. (Intelligence that only a handful of countries could see throug, btw)
Robert Kennedy aurthorized the tapping of MLK's phone. This must be very hard for you to accept, but the rest of the nation has gotten used to it. Why is it not so cut and dried when a democrate screws up? Kennedy could have fired Mr. Hoover at any time. But it would have been his own undoing because Kennedy had a closet that only Bill Clinton could really appreciate. Hoover had Kennedy by the balls. Character matters.
And you go on with the name calling.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
What really gags me is that the RW really expects us to believe that all of their feigned outrage is out of their deep respect for Mrs. King. OH PUHLEEZE!!! Spare me. Like they EVER gave a crap about her before! Any interest the RW ever had in her would have been reserved to any problems she might be causing them, by speaking truth to power, and exposing them. I do not believe them. Not at all.
February 8th, 2006 at 2:57 pmPerhaps Tucker Carlson, Kate O'Beirne and the President's amen corner would like to discuss the role of the DOJ and Georgia Republican Party in trampling on minority voting rights in the weeks before Coretta Scott King's passing.
For the full story, see:
February 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pm"Bush, Gonzales and The Republican War on Voting Rights."
Larry Brewer, you're an idiot.
That month Hoover asked Attorney General Robert Kennedy for permission to place wiretaps on King's home and office telephones. Hoover based his request on his claim that King's inner circle included known communists. With the Cold War at its height, Kennedy did not want to be on the wrong side of this issue, and he approved the request.
But Robert Kennedy knew not the torrent his approval of these wiretaps would unleash. Hoover's surveillance of King would quickly expand beyond wiretapping, and his investigation of King's communist ties would become a personal vendetta.
Hoover — a Southern conservative who was at best suspicious of the civil rights movement — was stung by King's frequent criticism of the FBI and indignant over the positive media coverage King received. For almost two years, the FBI recorded King's telephone conversations on both public and private topics.
But Hoover went even further than Kennedy's authorization allowed. He ordered that bugs be placed in King's hotel rooms across the country, later claiming that a previous attorney general had authorized such surveillance for "national security."
It is now well-known that these tapes contained evidence not of King being a communist but of having extramarital affairs. The FBI mailed incriminating tapes to Martin and Coretta King, in one instance even encouraged Martin to commit suicide. The tapes were played to journalists and used in attempts to diminish King's credibility.
Hoover's King surveillance was a breathtaking use of executive power that went far beyond the "national security" concerns that he used to justify it in the first place. But it did not destroy the King's marriage.
Are you all up to date now? Good! 'Cause I'm sick of having to clean up after the talking-points someone fed you, so take your rented hole back to the right blogsphere where it's safe for a dumbass like you.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pm.
a journalist tries to kick my ass
You’re never really prepared for a big time cable newsman to show up in your driveway drunk, armed, and blind with rage. You especially don’t expect it from a pretty boy like Dan Abrams, but it happened. Something in the third paragraph of this apparently set him off.
At any rate, the wife and I were on the back porch enjoying the cocktail hour here at the Casa Camino on Saturday afternoon when we heard the rifle shots coming from the front of the house. We ran inside and peeked through the front blinds to find this:
dan abrams on my lawn
“Git yer ass out here, Mr. Rex-L.-Ca-mi-no!†he yelled. “You think you all that? Huh? Huh, shithead? I might not be no big time blogger, but I’ll sure as hell whoop yer ass!â€
He was now out of his pick-up truck and strutting around it like a bantam rooster as neighbors gathered up children and retreated back into their houses. “Come on out, chickenshit, and take yer asswhoopin’ like a man!†He yelled.
It went on like this for the better part of an hour. Abrams would chug a beer, fire his rifle, and then drone on with, “I’m waitin’ on you, Mr. Rex-L.-Ca-mi-noâ€, followed inevitably with another shot and a resounding, “Wooooooooooooo!â€
I eventually had enough. I cracked the front door just enough to yell and called out, “Sir, you have the wrong man. My name is Blake and I must inform you that I am heavily armed. A single, inebriated member of the liberal media is no match for me. Stand down!â€
As if on cue, a shirtless and equally drunk Tucker Carlson....rest @
February 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pmhttp://rexlcamino.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_rexlcamino_archive.html
Any possibility any of you RWNJs could actually shoot yourself cleaning one of your guns? You'd get LOTS OF attention. I'm sure there'd be a Darwin award for it for you, posthumously, of course but hey, you could admire your legacy from heaven, high-fives (the highest) all around up there on Cloud 9 with JC and the saints. Just THINK of the notoriety, the accolades!
Yeah, so we silly liberal types will lay down in front of a bulldozer or a tank waving peace signs as we're crushed. That's hardly noble though. Shooting yourself (aim high now!) is so much more an honorable way to die. Rather the modern equivalent of falling on one's sword, don't you think?
Over and out, any retort will be for yourself or someone else's entertainment, certainly not mine.
RWNJ (pronounced "Orange") = right-wing nut job
February 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pm"Orange", you know like the color of the jumpsuits of those cleaning up trash along the interstate. Get it?
What, if any, rebuttal do you have to the truths spoken by Reverend Lowery?
By overreaching Lowery has discredited himself. That no weapons of mass destruction were found in large quantities after the invasion is undisputed. However, that the world's leading intelligence agencies believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the invasion is also undisputed. Moreover, there is ample evidence that Saddam's WMDs were there at one time, and numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions called for an accounting of those weapons, and/or their destruction, which Saddam refused to provide. Assuming Saddam to be a rational man (as Dan Rather has assured us he is), the question is not, why did we invade Iraq when there were no WMDs. The question is, where did all those WMDs go?
There is no evidence that massive amounts of WMD were disposed of in Iraq. Recently, declassified documents and eyewitness reports suggest that Iraq's WMD's may have been shipped to Saddam's Ba'athist allies in Syria. This would be consistent with Saddam's belief that he will return to power one day.
This is a mystery still to be solved - kind of like the mystery surrounding Hitler's death at the end of World War II. We know that the WMD's are no longer in Iraq, just as we knew Hitler no longer was in Germany. There is some evidence that they may be elsewhere, just as there was some evidence that Hitler might be alive and in Soviet custody. Much of the evidence about WMDs is in unfriendly hands, just as the Soviets held the conclusive evidence of Hitler's death for many years.
As with the mystery surrounding Hitler's death, which was not finally solved untill after the fall of the Soviet Union, we must await conclusive evidence of the destruction of Saddam's WMDs, as called for by the U.N Security Council. Until that day, we must assume that some portion of the original Iraqi WMD arsenal is still out there, and that it still constitutes a threat to this country. If we fail to adopt this policy, we will only make ourselves more vulnerable to a WMD attack.
In the meantime, those who are called to the privilege of eulogizing a great lady would do well to answer that calling with dignity, grace, and a decent respect for the opinions of others. A funeral is no place for a political foodfight.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:01 pmGotta get back to work. it's been a pleasure.
LB
February 8th, 2006 at 3:02 pmLarry--"ROVE/RUMSFELD/CHENEY HAVE BUSH BY THE BALLS. CHARACTER MATTERS" Brewer
It was wrong for Bobby Kennedy to authorize an illegal wiretap. Never said it wasn't.
Waiting for you to say the same about the current illegal wiretaps.
We dont think anything is cut and dry or black and white. And because we dont we get lampooned for it.
40-love to me hahaha!
February 8th, 2006 at 3:04 pmMs. Brewer,
February 8th, 2006 at 3:04 pmNo matter how much I try to help you in guiding you to the truth, you display a seemingly inexhaustible desire to be ignorant and simple minded. That's your choice, and I will honor it. However, if you change your mind and would like to become enlightened I will gladly provide any and all assistance that I can. Until then, enjoy the bliss that your ignorance must be providing.
Here we go…about time…MLK was a great man…but if you know anything about his personal life you know that is was anything but great (do the research big poopoo)…I am not about to sling the mud...
Comment by mike #121
Okay!
Miscreant Inbred,
"I'll be your Huckleberry!"
I've read Dr. King's writings and studied his life over the years...
However, I feel only "qualified" to speak to, defend, remark on, or discuss only his "public persona" and deeds...
...as I was not present at or privy to any of his "private moments"...
...and if you think I am remotely susceptible to believing the lying, racist, rants and misinformation of a vile, pus-n-bile, cross dressing, pseudo-homophobic al Cracker like J. Edgar Hoover and your right wing historical revisionists?
...you are delusional...
...People like you Miscreant Inbred, I'rrelevant-R'ecalcitrant-I'nbred, and all your Bushite hordes put together will never amount to the sweat off Dr. King's ba*ls...
February 8th, 2006 at 3:04 pmI fully support the comments made at Mrs. King's funeral. I am just wondering why nothing is getting done in Washington with regards to impeaching this group of cronies. It is so frustrating to me that this group has gotten away with all that they have. Are people of this country not outraged enough? How are they getting by scandal after scandal? The people of this country need to rise up and raise their voices - this is crazy.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:06 pmBlue Red State, you truly are ignorant enough to be a conservative:
However, that the world’s leading intelligence agencies believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the invasion is also undisputed.
Undisputed where? In your trailer park? That's nothing but an urban myth, used to exploit idiots like you. The fact is that numerous national intelligence agencies (including our own) kept pointing out that "evidence" used in the phony case for war was largely pre-1991, and most of what followed came from questionable sources like Chalabi's pet Iraqis. This is why there were two NIE's, remember? (or did you never know that part, either? wouldn't surprise me)
Moreover, there is ample evidence that Saddam’s WMDs were there at one time, and numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions called for an accounting of those weapons, and/or their destruction, which Saddam refused to provide.
Actually he did provide it and it's never been released in this country, but keep reading.
Assuming Saddam to be a rational man (as Dan Rather has assured us he is), the question is not, why did we invade Iraq when there were no WMDs. The question is, where did all those WMDs go?
The greatest tonnage of forbidden weapons were actually destroyed under the first weapons inspection regime after Gulf War I.
See? When you venture out of your safe little right-blogsphere, you walk smack into the real world. How does it feel?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:07 pm.
IRI- As an African-American (learn the term, kid), it never surprises me that there are people as stupid as you when you make statements on people like me and Black leaders who, like any other race, has the right to question
a government that has spit in the face of minorities.
The battles that Dr. King and his wife fought were both social and political. Political because there were people like George Wallace who were still segregtionists. Today, there are people like David Duke who try to get into politics, even though they hid for awhile the fact he was in the KKK and still considers himself a White Supremist.
It's odd that at this time, with the funeral and the recent church burnings in Alabama that the mentality of the media and people like yourself would like to go back to the old days when people like my ancestors got disenfranchised and was told to learn to accept it.
Maybe if you learn to read more about the Black experience and understand that racism still exists today, perhaps this racist attitude that you expressed today would not have to show up.
But you just go ahead, wrap yourself around the confederate flag and pretend to live in a sunny side of the world where there are white picket fences, Country Time lemonade, and a sense that everything is perfect in the world, but damn those who tell the truth. Just remember, when the truth comes to fruition, it'll be too late.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:10 pmBull Sh*t Red
By overreaching Lowery had dicredited himself? EXPLAIN. MAKES NO FRIGGIN SENSE.
Oh, and remember all those leading agencies that decided NOT to go to war?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:11 pmBSR,
Your rebuttal to the truths spoken by Reverend Lowery is that they were accurate but we should all keep in mind that Hitler's death is a mystery?!? Are you f'ing kidding me?
I hope that you enjoy the conversation with your psychosis but you'll have to excuse me as I will wait until your medication kicks in before engaging this issue with you any further.
I hope that you were trying to be humorous, for your sake that is.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI like Grand Moff Texan. Go get 'em kid. Back over 'em and make the tires spin with your retorts.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:13 pmWhy is it not so cut and dried when a democrate screws up? Kennedy could have fired Mr. Hoover at any time.
Comment by Larry Brewer #177
Lasttoknow inBrewed,
Optimist is right...
...you inbreds don't know JACK about history...
...J Edgar (the cross dressing beeotch) had the goods on everybody (and that which he didn'the made up) in "secret files"...
"Jack" Kennedy was a notorious womanizer (from all accounts of those close to him) and (again according to relatives like Peter Lawford) Bobby was involved with Marilyn Monroe (after Jack threw her away)...
... neither Bobby nor Jack were inclined to tangle with the man (who by all historical accounts) was considered the "most powerful cross dressing beeotch" this side of Haight-Ashbury...
...now run along and sit at the kiddie table with your inbred siblings...
February 8th, 2006 at 3:15 pmComment by Grand Moff Texan
I'm back. Do you really think any of info you cut and pasted into your reply was news to anyone? Does any of your reply discredit anything that I have written? Are their any new truths that make me an wrong in any of my posts? All the info you dug up is old old old and well known and understood by anyone over 40. But to you it's like finding the holy grail. We are on a different level here.
BTW
I have never blogged here before. As a matter of practice I don't blog. I didn't even know it was one of "those" kinda blogs. I glanced at 4 or 5 comments and found the discussion interesting and sorta balanced so I joined in. Might as well have farted in an elevator full of nuns. No one really wants to discuss anything just to echo their own ideas about how the world should be and to shut out or shut down anyone that disagrees. My favorite was the "Match set point" comment after the poster had provided nothing new. My next favorite was the comment demanding which Kennedys I was reffering to when I mentioned them in context with MLK. OK, I was talking about Jackie, John John and Rose.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:21 pmLast comment for me on this subject:
The only people who could complain about the speeches made at Mrs. King's funeral and have those complaints be legitimate are the King Family. It is their loved one that was buried on yesterday. If they feel it was a fitting tribute then that's the end of it. The opinions of everyone else are just that...opinions. Who really gives a shit? What is amazing to me is that neo-cons have become so drunk with power that they think they have the right to decide what is said and done at someone else's funeral service. Laughable...sad, but laughable.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:22 pmLyin' Brews-terd
Thought you couldnt resist coming back. Came back just in time. Still no response to my question about Ken Mehlmann and the Republican Southern Plan.
still waiting
February 8th, 2006 at 3:26 pmDo you really think any of info you cut and pasted into your reply was news to anyone?
Not to anyone who thinks for a living, but your kind sometimes needs help. What I posted shows that Kennedy didn't authorize the things Gay Edgar Hoover did, so take your Hannity screaming points and blow 'em out your ass.
As for the rest of your weak-ass excuse for a retort, you came here to whine about tone and you leave here whining about tone. You never had fact one to begin with.
I already knew that. But now everyone else does, too.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:28 pm.
Comment by big papa
My comments in 177 contain all the stuff we need to know about John Kennedy and Hoover. Old Old Old news, but to you it must seem like a FoxNews Alert. "Flash - Hoover was a cross deresser. Flash- JFK screwed around. The fact that Hoover had the goods on Kennedy was in my post. He couldn't fire him.
#177
By taking my comment out of context and leaving off the the second half you think this makes you somehow smarter. Now go google.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:30 pmStill Uppity, After All These Years...
I guess Joseph Lowery and I — along with the people who stood and applauded his remarks at Coretta Scott King’s funeral — just don’t get how black folks are supposed to behave at funerals. (Nevermind how many opportunitie...
February 8th, 2006 at 3:33 pmSo Punky Brewer,
How'd you find that Atl. Monthly article. Please don't tell me you used yahoo!
Stupid.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:33 pmI going to type this very slowly so you can understand. Robert Kennedy authorized the wiretapping of MLK's phone.
Yeah, Hoover was a bad guy. He was gay. He was vindictive. He was weird. He worked for John Kennedy and all the President's before him. I guess going back to either Hoover or Roosevelt.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:36 pmI'm not stupid, you're stupid. geez
Can we take it up a couple notches here.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:37 pmThank you Reverand Lowery and God bless you.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:39 pmLB
No one disbelieves that RFK authorized the wiretap...it was wrong.
Why are you going on about it? Unless its to show us that Bush's wiretaps are wrong. If that's the case, THANK YOU.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:39 pmwhat is clear is that the left is being pulled waaayyyy left by a few… ie./boxer/dean/kerry/kennedy/mikemoore/franken/etc…too left for many americans…..(regardless of what is said in these forums)
What is abundantly clear is that trolls are to regurgitated Limbaugh/Hannity talking points what a dog is to it's own vomit. That statement makes absolutely no sense. If anything, the GOP has been pulled so far in the direction of a tyrannical, one party quasi-theocracy, quite content to demean/demonize/destroy their fellow Americans, that any notion of debate, or even democracy for that matter, are becoming as quaint as the notion that Amercia stands for something other than torture, war, greed and deceit.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:41 pmMy comments in 177 contain all the stuff we need to know about John Kennedy and Hoover.
No, it didn't, hence my post. You see, when you write
Why is it not so cut and dried when a democrate [sic] screws up?
you're drawing a false equivalency. Either you're dumb enough to believe it or you're hoping we are. But the report you dismissed (apparently because you had to) shows that the "democrate" [sic] in question was not the author of the rights violations that followed.
Since, as you say, you're not used to blogging you should know this: confusing dissimilar things so you can hide behind a false charge of hypocrisy is the oldest Bushtard dodge in the playbook. I call it "failing the white trash rorschach test."
February 8th, 2006 at 3:41 pm.
I-RIGHT-I:
You are a shame to the Republican party and the conservative movement. Your hateful baiting of African-Americans is embarrassing. Luckily, the majority of people can see right through your bull. Your term of "Negro" exposes your racism, unless you are Spanish. However, I noticed all of your posts are in English. Alas, I am wasting time exposing your stupidity - it's obvious you need no help in that area. No TRUE Christian would be so utterly disgraceful to the human race. There is no doubt in my mind Jesus would find your behavior disgraceful - do you forget that Jesus was a radical preacher that expected love and tolerance? I'll make sure to say a prayer for your sorry soul, because you are obviously a lost individual.
Zeke:
Love your posts. I hope more conservative people like you speak out.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:43 pmLyin B @ 203
You're trying to make fun of someone for googling documents to prove their point when that's obviously how you found that article.
that
February 8th, 2006 at 3:43 pmwas
stupid
Jumpin' Jeezus on a Jukebox, he's at it again.
I guess it's his only line.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:44 pm.
David - You are right. The digraceful behavior of people such as I-RIGHT-I exposes the wrong direction the Republican party has taken.
It's truly sad, because African-Americans are going to think that all conservatives are like I-RIGHT-I.
And he wonders why they are so many black in the Democratic party. Most likely, I-RIGHT-I would say for the "handouts." But it should be noted that the South gets the majority of the "handouts" from the tax dollars of the North.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:47 pmFISA was approved by Congress and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 25, 1978.
Bobby Kennedy authorized the MLK tap on On October 10, 1963.
Yep, Democrats sure are a bunch of hypocrites!
February 8th, 2006 at 3:47 pm.
GMT,
Couldn't have put it better.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:50 pmIf Ken Mehlman wants to appoligize for something that happened 30 yrs ago and had nothing to do with, I fine with it. What does is have to do with anything we were discussing? Should Howard Dean appoligze for the MLK wiretaps?
February 8th, 2006 at 3:50 pmNo I was making fun of him for digging up something that was common knowledge, already accepted by me, did not advance his agrument, and then acted like it was a slam dunk.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
You do not understand FISA and it's intent. It wasn't FISA that legalized or criminalized wiretapping therefore the fact that Bobby K authorized the wiretaps before FISA was inacted really has no bearing.
February 8th, 2006 at 3:57 pmIf Ken Mehlman wants to appoligize for something that happened 30 yrs ago ...
Uh, no. The "solid south" strategy is in play each and every election. Now you're up to date.
What does is [sic] have to do with anything we were discussing?
Gee, what could the "solid south" strategy of the GOP possibly have to do with Mrs. King's funeral?
Truly, it is a mystery ....
February 8th, 2006 at 3:59 pm.
You do not understand FISA and it’s [sic] intent. It wasn’t FISA that legalized or criminalized wiretapping therefore the fact that Bobby K authorized the wiretaps before FISA was inacted [sic] really has no bearing.
I didn't say that. I'm glad I didn't, by the way, because it was embarrassingly stupid. I'm leaving that to you, in case you hadn't noticed.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:05 pm.
And the Medicare strategy is in place by the democrats, and the plantation plan is in play by Hillary, and the Obscene rock lyrics are in play by the Gores, and only 53% of kids graduate from high school strategy is in play by Kerry. and the repubs have the
February 8th, 2006 at 4:05 pmHouse, Senate, Presidency, and the Supreme Court.
Well Lying Brewer (i'll tried to use as few big words as possible)
You tried to claim that current Dems are descendants of the Southern Dem's of the 60's. Then I tried to tell you that they were all recruited by the republican's via the southern plan (as kenny mehlmann admitted). Then you made some rovian (read: distracting) retort saying were those his "exact words" or something to that affect without recognizing that those Dixiecrats swelled southern repug ranks. I guess I just want you to admit that all those racists were by and large won over by the southern plan; and to disabuse us of the lie that those dixiecrats and todays democrats are one in the same.
Still waiting. (take your time, I used more big words than you're probably used to.)
February 8th, 2006 at 4:06 pmLarry - It is you that does not understand FISA. It does EXACTLY what you indicate it does not.
GEEZE! These people just don't understand basic laws.
If you would like I can show you where in the FISA laws it states: "FISA will be the SOLE means for obtaining wiretaps" (or something like that)
So how does this not leagalize or criminalize wiretapping?
February 8th, 2006 at 4:06 pmYou are correct. FISA was enacted as a road block to stop future presidents from authorizing warrantless wiretaps. It is not a tool for presidents, it was meant to hinder them from acting in an illegal fashion.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:07 pmTucker
February 8th, 2006 at 4:08 pmIf you are uncomfortable with the truth, so be it .If you are uncomfortable with a black old man remind you of the truth and the short comings of your party so be it .WE certainly did not hear it from the Clintons . I am sure you and Ron Williams have insurance and eat well everyday ,have a roof over your head and a well paid job .So what the hell if you have all of that , you might as well defend your president , i am sure you are more comfy with his spin hypocricy , mandacity and unrealistic , ignorant view of the world .
It’s truly sad, because African-Americans are going to think that all conservatives are like I-RIGHT-I.
And he wonders why they are so many black in the Democratic party. Most likely, I-RIGHT-I would say for the “handouts.†But it should be noted that the South gets the majority of the “handouts†from the tax dollars of the North.
Comment by Sarah
"Yep, thar ain't nuthn wrong wid dem black folk, id be all dem crackahs fult."
The fact is the Americans who happen to be Negroes I hang with vote conservtive and agree with me. I think the Colored Donks call them Uncle Toms. I quote a buddy of mine who once dated a white girl:
"Uncle Tom, he got all da money and da nigga well, he done fucked up."
February 8th, 2006 at 4:12 pmLowery defended his statement well, just as I defended it on the AOL message boards this morning, where the majority of people found his remarks offensive. Yes, Coretta did want to let her voice be heard by authority. If Lowery had not spoken up then, would a speech he would have made someplace else about Coretta's life made it onto CNN? I highly doubt it. He had the opportunity, and tried to sway Bush, which one rarely gets to do right in front of him. He is usually in front of town hall audiences who sign loyalty oaths. This was real, and Coretta would have been proud of Lowery. He also ended his speech in such a stirring note, I broke down in tears. A fitting tribute to Coretta's life. Keep up the fight for peace and justice. Coretta, you were an inspiration and will be deeply missed.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:12 pmMy comments abour FISA were to explain that just because it was inacted after Bobby Kennedy's wiretapping didn't give him a green light to tap the phones. There were laws at the time. Not everything that's good started with Jimmy Carter.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Let's look at how MSNBC presented this little piece.
During Pucker's intro, a caption is supered at the bottom of the frame:
"Was Rev. Lowery out of line?"
There's the setup. Now we know that there's a line, and somebody is alleged to have violated it. Ooh, taboo behavior! That's what TV is all about.
Meanwhile, bow-tie pasta-complexioned guy is weaving the word "ATTACK" into his first question to Rev. Lowery.
Now we hear Lowery, on the phone, answering... While video of him at the service rolls. Over the pictures of Rev. Lowery, there's another caption:
"ATTACKED BUSH ADMIN. AT CORETTA KING'S FUNERAL"
Well, Rev. Lowery, you can just go on defending your right to free speech. The captions have already spoken. The meme has been planted. You attacked the Bush Admin.
Of course, you did no such thing. You spoke as Coretta would have spoken in a similar venue, and did. You spoke as Martin spoke. You spoke with spirit, authority, and truth.
None of which these bow-tie pasty-faced HONKIES, who have the nerve to criticize you, will ever understand.
I'm a white man who's had the good luck to spend a lot of time in that parallel universe, the black world. To the tighty-whitey white right-wingers who can't even conceive of getting down, getting funky, and/or getting laid, I say with Mr. Dylan, Don't criticize what you can't understand.
What an inspiring speech by Rev. Lowery. Yeah!
VRWC: STFU.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:14 pmSo, is everyone clear now? Carter mentioned Bush's admitted crimes in abusing the NSA at Mrs. King's wedding because Hoover abused the wiretapping authorities granted him in 1963 against her husband?
Took you long enough.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:15 pm.
Bill Clinton was and is.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLB
You completely missed GMT's point. And you've precious time with you rant. It's reaally funny actually.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:16 pmI-RIGHT-I, you call all your African-American friends "Negros"?
The African-Americans I know would kick your lily livered ass for using that term.
I like how you capitalize Negro, like it is a country.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:18 pmMy comments abour [sic] FISA were to explain that just because it was inacted [sic]after Bobby Kennedy’s wiretapping didn’t give him a green light to tap the phones. There were laws at the time.
My (lack of) God, you're dense. I never said FISA travelled through time, you know. But what Kennedy authorized (as opposed to what Hoover did) wasn't illegal until 1978.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:20 pm.
All,
Ms. Brewer is obviously not here to debate the issues of this thread, it is here to derail it. The subject of this thread is the outlandish criticisms being thrown about by some regarding how "those people" should act and what is or is not appropriate to do when honoring someone. The absurdity here is monumental.
The simple fact is this, Coretta Scott King was a champion of civil rights and a warrior for peace. Her funeral was a fitting tribute and the only ones "politicizing" the event are the critics. Truth is a beautiful thing and the people who cry "foul" in the face of its display only do so in fear of, and in response to, the exposure of their deception.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:20 pmLyBrew-
Statement without no proof. Wow. Still afraid to acknowledge the southern plan. Geeez. Even Ken Mehl was able to.
I got a better one for ya. Strom Thurmond. What party did he start with? What party did he switch to? Yeaaaaah.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI will post this again, because Larry Brewer is trying to ignore it.
You are correct. FISA was enacted as a road block to stop future presidents from authorizing warrantless wiretaps. It is not a tool for presidents, it was meant to hinder them from acting in an illegal fashion.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:21 pmIt was just great when the Bush twins caught the Bouquet and started fighting over it between the pews.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:21 pm.
Bill Clinton was and is.
Comment by Larry Brewer
Yep. Sure can't tell 'ol "America's first black president" from a cross-burner.
Yep.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:24 pm.
Larry Shitstickle Brewer
I just thought I'd say that. Way to stick to your principles in 236. Don't every cry foul about raising the level of discourse here again.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:25 pmWeddings, funerals, same thing. Paging Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud...
February 8th, 2006 at 4:26 pm.
Man, my wife would kill me for that!
February 8th, 2006 at 4:26 pm.
This is what it is all about.
Would it have been in good taste for the President GW Bush, to heve mentioned the transgressions by the Kennedy administration against Martin L King and his wife at her funeral with Ted Kennedy sitting in attendance and with full knowledge that the Kings and the Kennedy's shared much in common. No, it would have been in bad taste. Should he have mentioned out of wedlock babies and how it relates not only to the innercity woes but to the rest of the country, with Jesse Jackson setting in attendence. No, it would have been a cheap shot in bad taste. But turn it around and the same person that used good taste and common sense gets plugged repeatly. He held up fairly well considering.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:32 pm#224
you don't hang out with any African Americans.
stop lying.
saying 'hi' to us doesn't count.
furthermore, your refusal to use anything other than the term 'negro' (which is spanish for 'black object'....used to subhumanize us) is full admission that you are a racist.
you'll use the n-word in quotes online (to escape responsibility).. and in the privacy of your own home and amongst friends you may say the actual word..but never admit to your racism.
you're not fooling anyone...
you're only airing out the filthy mindset of many conservatives.
also..please spare us from some rebuttal that says how the republicans freed the slaves and blah blah blah..heard it before. not impressed.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:33 pmClinton wasn't black, just a good lier and made you believe he was black. Clinton was a big boy and full well understood who William Fullbright was and what he was all about.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:36 pmAnd Ms. Brewer continues with its vitriol while remaining absolutely clueless about their so clearly revealed ignorance and bigotry.
Ms. Brewer, who do you think that President Carter was referencing in his comment about the King's being spied upon? Gee, I didn't see him and Teddy get into a brawl over it.
Goodbye Ms. Brewer. I believe that the folks at LGF will be much more receptive to your racism and ignorance. In fact, I believe that such is a requirement for posting there. Good riddance.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:37 pmI thought the spieing was all the fault of Hoover. So Carter was talking about Hoover I guess.
I guess I need to be shown where I became a racist.
Nope, just read my posts and it's just not there. Again you're wrong.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:41 pmWould it have been in good taste for the President GW Bush, to heve [sic] mentioned the transgressions by the Kennedy administration ...
The head of the FBI is not a part of the Kennedy administration. You keep screwing this part up.
Should he have mentioned out of wedlock babies and how it relates not only to the innercity woes but to the rest of the country, with Jesse Jackson setting in attendence [sic].
Where did this come from? 'Cause we're talking about blacks? Not that I'm surprised that I'm talking to a bigot. I'm just surprised that a bigot would be so bold in this day and age.
But turn it around and the same person that used good taste and common sense gets plugged repeatly [sic].
For being a failed president who has repeated the mistakes of the past and squandering our wealth abroad while letting his country rot? You're damned right. Americans have a tendency to do that.
If you were an American, you'd know that.
He held up fairly well considering.
Fortunately for him, there were too many big words.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:42 pm.
Clinton wasn’t black, just a good lier [sic] and made you believe he was black.
The mind boggles. I tell you this so you'll know what it's like to have one.
Uh, I never thought he was black. It's an old joke.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:43 pm.
I thought the spieing [sic] was all the fault of Hoover.
If you abuse the authority you're given, you're responsible.
So Carter was talking about Hoover I guess.
"Then I watched while he (the Lamb) broke the sixth seal. There was a tremendous earthquake, the sun turned dark like coarse black cloth ..."
I guess I need to be shown where I became a racist.
[cheesy lapse-dissolve effect] Larry Brewer, this is your life! It all began with a catastrophic iodine deficiency at age two...
February 8th, 2006 at 4:48 pm.
Why doesn't anyone ask these newsbots why they think it is THEIR place to comment on the propriety of any eulogy given at CSK's funeral? Who appointed them arbiters of taste, anyway?
February 8th, 2006 at 4:49 pmMs. Brewer,
Should he have mentioned out of wedlock babies and how it relates not only to the innercity woes but to the rest of the country, with Jesse Jackson setting in attendence.
Now, only a "racist" bigoted butt-wipe would imply that out of wedlock babies is a race problem attributabale solely to African Americans. What is mind boggling is that you are so blinded by your own self-righteousness that you cannot see this. I pity you.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:49 pmWhen I refer to innercity and the rest of the country I am talking about all of us. Unless you are the one assumming that out of wedlock babies are just a black problem. Again, you look for bias and there is none. You are wrong.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:50 pmYep, Optimist. Brewer used three cues to line up "out of wedlock babies" with blacks: context, the "inner-city" codephrase, and Jackson.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:59 pm.
Ms. Brewer,
Then why would have Jesse Jackson have been uncomfortalbe? And it was you who placed it in the context of being an African American problem.
And I will waste no further time with you. You disgust me, but you have my pity. May your god, or whoever it is that you worship, have pity upon your soul.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:59 pmI-RIGHT-I, you call all your African-American friends “Negros�
The African-Americans I know would kick your lily livered ass for using that term.
I like how you capitalize Negro, like it is a country.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
It depends on the friend and my Prozac and Bourbon to weight ratio at that moment. I do know some black guys who would take offense but they are victims of the professional race baiters and institutional slavers and don't know any better. I don't call guys like that friend I call them to get their ass in gear to do what I told them to do an hour before.
Check out this little ditty about capitalization rules and notice that "Negro isn't acceptable". I wonder who it isn't acceptable to? I find it perfectly acceptable myself. And notice that "Oriental" isn't acceptable either. I guess they are looking for Asian but who knows? I just call them Ornamentals.
I'm really sorry if you or anyone else is "offended" by certain names or labels but the fact is you have the right to be offended, not the right to not be offended. Of course the Liberal is trying hard to change that and intimidate anyone who refuses to comply with their idea of non-offensive. I say fuck them. I don't really care what you say Spudge.
GROUPS OF PEOPLE
Capitalize names of racial, linguistic, tribal, religious, and national groupings of people. Note: Although capitalized, Negro and Oriental are considered unacceptable.
Caucasian
Native American
Chicano
African American
Protestant
Do not capitalize designations based on color or size.
black
white
pygmy (but capitalize when referring to specific group)
http://www1.umn.edu/urelate/style/capitalization.html
February 8th, 2006 at 5:05 pmLarry,
Welcome to this board. I appreciate your effort here, but it is useless. These liberals are filled with so much hatred for Bush that it is impossible for them to even think straight, that is if they can even think for themselves. They will never admit to being wrong and I for one, cannot understand how you justify taking potshots at Bush at someone's funeral. Have they no decency? There is nothing you or I or anyone else can do. They will continue to lose election after election. Maybe in about 20-30 years, they will realize the error of their ways, but not now.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:11 pmHave they no decency?
Comment by Randy —
The Party of Treason, Atheism, Homosexuality and Abortion? Is that a trick question?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:14 pmYou said it, not me.
The feeling is mutual you racist a$$hole. Also, aren't I on your McCarthy style blacklist. Why do you feel the need respoond?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:17 pmwellstone
February 8th, 2006 at 5:18 pmSo, that would make the Republicans the party of Totalitarian, Boot Licking Racist Zombies. Is that a trick question?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:18 pmOh yeah I-RIGHT-I, thanks for proving me right on the Negro not being capitalized thing.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#
Oh.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:21 pmWhere did I place it in the context of an Aferican American problem. I made it a Jesse Jackson problem. And why Jesse Jackson should be uncomfortable is between him and his girlfriend which he paid off with Rainbow funds.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:30 pmOMG you did NOT just say 'negro' IRI!! Omfg. Even you should realize this is not the 1950s (although it seems to be umm regressing that way...)
February 8th, 2006 at 5:31 pm"Would it have been in good taste for the President GW Bush, to heve mentioned the transgressions by the Kennedy administration against Martin L King and his wife at her funeral with Ted Kennedy sitting in attendance and with full knowledge that the Kings and the Kennedy’s shared much in common."
Larry Brewer
Since Bush has been spying on Americans illegally (Kennedy did it legally, remember) for years, it would have been damned ironic for him to mention it, don't you think?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:39 pmHave they no decency?
Comment by Randy —
You're kidding right?
First Grader Suspended for Harassment
Feb 08 1:23 PM US/Eastern
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BROCKTON, Mass.
A first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl's waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.
The boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, said she "screamed" about last week's suspension from Downey Elementary School, and added her son doesn't know what sexual harassment is.
"He doesn't know those things," she told The Enterprise of Brockton. "He's only 6 years old."
School officials declined comment to The Enterprise, citing the child's age.
"They would have not suspended the child without doing an investigation," said spokeswoman Cynthia McNally.
Dorinvil said the school principal, Diane Gosselin, called her to pick up her son Jan. 30. She said her son asked the principal if the police were going to come get him.
The principal told Dorinvil the girl complained to the teacher after her son touched the girl's waistband, hitting her skin, in a room full of children.
Dorinvil said her son told her he touched the girl's shirt, not her skin, after the girl touched him.
"He was playing with her," Dorinvil said.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:41 pm"Where did I place it in the context of an Aferican American problem. I made it a Jesse Jackson problem. And why Jesse Jackson should be uncomfortable is between him and his girlfriend which he paid off with Rainbow funds."
Comment by Larry Brewer — February 8, 2006 @
So if it's "between him and his girlfriend", why the hell do you even mention it, bigot?
Your "inner city" code has been exposed for years. Sheesh, get some new spin will 'ya?
February 8th, 2006 at 5:43 pmI-rrelevant -I
February 8th, 2006 at 5:44 pmThe Supreme Court, not you, will probably have to decide if Bush's tactics were legal or illegal. I, for one, can't wait.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHistory has already decided the MLK wiretap issue.
trolls = weapons of misdirection. Anyone that tries to take the focus away from WHAT was said to WHERE it was said = weapons of misdirection. Don't give them ammo. They've got nothing and they know it or should.
What you’re seeing is their desperate attempt to put the ball back in their court and shift the focus to empty posturing and argument for argument's sake rather than an attempt at any real debate or at creating real, intelligent content.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:53 pmWell I mentioned it because it would have been fair game at a funeral where the script is written as you go. You put a setting president on stage and proceed to take cheap shots during a funeral. GW, in his address never mentioned drunk driveng, leaving the scene of an accident, the wisdom of sending 8 helicopters to attack a foreign country during a sand storm. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
And stop with the race card trick it isn't playing very well and nobody's buying it.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:55 pmLet's see
the senate, the house, the supreme court and the white house. We don't need the ball. You can keep it in your court.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:59 pmHello test 1-2-3 thump thump thump. Is this thing working?
February 8th, 2006 at 6:20 pmTrolls,
Are you a member of MLK's family? Can you speak for the dead? No? Then you have no right to judge what was spoken at her funeral.
If MKL's family want's to protest the speeches, they have that right. Oddly enough, they're not.
Don't you find it the least bit tasteless to assume ownership over this funeral, when MLK fought against your political predecessors?
February 8th, 2006 at 6:23 pmLarry Brewer,
I posed the same question to imatt in the other thread.
If you truly want to debate as you have said, debate the fact that on Monday Alberto Gonzales bold face lied to Congress.
Russ Feingold gave a speech laying out the facts to Congress in yesterdays session.
Raw Story
Febraury 7, 2006
Amidst flurry of Bush attacks, Feingold hits Congress wiretaps: 'Congress has lost its way'
Besides the already popular:
White House
April 20, 2004
President Bush: Information Sharing, Patriot Act Vital to Homeland Security
Feingold gave us a new one:
I went and got the whole thing for ya.
White House
July 14, 2004
President's Remarks at Ask President Bush Event
Yesterday in his unsworn in "testimony" Alberto Gonzales said that when Bush was talking about getting court orders, he meant roving wiretaps only.
Washington Post
February 6, 2006
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Holds a Hearing on Wartime Executive Power and the National Security Agency's Surveillance Authority
Clearly, the new quote that I have provided here states "In other words, the government can't move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order."
Then Russ had this quote:
White House
June 9, 2005
President Discusses Patriot Act
Busted!
This would be why he wasn't sworn in. He just lied.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:25 pmMs. Brewer,
February 8th, 2006 at 6:29 pmPounding on your head will not make your brain work. Feeding it the truth will. So sit back, listen to the grownups, and start to think for yourself. The enlightenment will be wonderful and you may even be able to develop relationships outside of just your mother. Of course, it will help once you move out of her basement but one thing at a time.
Isn't it strange how Gonzales boald face "lies" and Fiengold lays out the "facts." So I checked your source. "The Raw facts" Typical lib website rewriting news as they see fit and selling anti-bush bumpper stickers to the koolaide drinkers. Along with an ad for "Syriana" another piece of Hwood trash movie digusied as propaganda. The story you linked to just doesn't have the unbiased look of an independant artical. In all my posting I will never use a rightwing web based source and try to sell it to you as as unarguable fact. Wouyldn't expect you to believe it enven if it were true.
Anyway I entered this "debate"? commenting on the remarks made at CSK's funeral. I thought they were harsh for a ceremony of this nature. I recall the Wellstone memorial when things really got out of hand. That backfired. Mondale lost, shoulda won. To deny that would be kidding yourselves. I think the average person would look at what happened at CSK's service as unnecassary mudslinging.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:43 pm[...] The right-wing shows and blogs went crazy yesterday about Rev. Lowery’s remarks at Coretta Scott King’s funeral. Keep in mind, this is what he said: “We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. [Standing Ovation] But Coretta knew and we know that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war billions more but no more for the poor.” One of these right-wingers, Tucker Carlson, brought Rev. Lowery on his show and Rev. Lowery put Carlson in his place: CARLSON: It’s not hard to hear that [your remarks] and not draw the obvious conclusion that that’s an attack on President Bush, which of course is your right to do, and I think completely fair. But again, it seemed very uncomfortable to say something like that in a funeral with the president right there. It seemed like bad manners. [...]
February 8th, 2006 at 6:49 pm#
I get it. You were referring to the "thump thump thump" in a previous post. Ha HA HA. very good.
Dont live with my folks, haven't in 34 years.
February 8th, 2006 at 6:50 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
#276 looks like Spudge was using the Washington Post and using direct quotes....Gonzales' pants appear to be on fire..
February 8th, 2006 at 7:02 pmLarry Brewer,
Are you kidding me? That was not an article from Raw Story, it was the transcript to a speech.
Now comment on the base topic of the article, not a stupid web site a$$hole.
The post is about three quotes from George Bush and a coversation between Feinstein and Gozales.
The fact that you focused on the fact that the TRANSCRIPT is posted on Raw Story.
Now you want to debate, or do you just want to be another fvcking troll.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:02 pmThis too from Captain Obvious:
#276 Same speech direct from Russ Feingold's site
Larry B, your attempt to wash away Gonzales's lies appears to be an obvious failure.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:07 pmIt is quite interesting and endlessly telling to note the extent to which the right-wing nut jobs are going bonkers over this issue.
Take note when passions become inflamed! There is a reason behind this bellowing ire of their demon. This touches them in a place where they thought that they had 'eminent domain' and set the tone: on religion.
The King family made it the work of their lives to speak up and out against politicians and the government and the manner in which racism and hatred in its many forms was institutionalized. Their forum moreso than just about anywhere else was in church. Some of the great Dr King's most forceful statements against the bigotry and racism so deeply entrenched in society, politics and government were made at the funerals of blacks that were lynched at the hands of men who thought God was on their side.
Christians of faith need to take this opportunity and break the stranglehold and monopoly that the bigoted and hateful feel they have over religion.
Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord, will have died in vain if his teachings are continually twisted to favor the rich and powerful in their war against the poor and the meek.
It is time for religious leaders to awaken from their slumber and realize that through their inaction and tacit support of evil in its many and veiled forms, they've fallen victim to the forces of all that they purport to oppose.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:08 pmCaptain Obvious,
Do you like the way LArr Brewster can't seem to discuss the facts and has to attack the messenger (Raw Story). Russ Feingold's speech wasn't even the basis for my post, I just want to make sure everybody got every fact, since these dumb fvcks say we don't post facts.
The facts are:
Russ Feingold gave a speech with three quotes.
First quote from Bush that refers to roving wiretaps.
Second quote from Bush that states both wiretaps and roving wiretaps.
Back and fourth between Feinstein and Gonzales at hearing on Monday where Gonzales said Bush only meant roving wiretaps.
Third quote from Bush stating that having to get court orders for wiretaps and roving wiretaps are Constitutional.
But this freaking Larry guy can't debate the facts. Because he know there is no excuse for lying to Congress and that is why Gonzales wasn't sworn in.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:08 pmCaptain Obvious
Thanks for the link, that will kill the "left wing site" arguement.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:09 pm#283 - sure seemed obvious to me, but then that's my super power.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:11 pmRemoveBush,
February 8th, 2006 at 7:22 pmI think you misunderstood my meaning. In my first post #12, I was objecting to Carlson using the word "obvious." His comment about the "obvious conclusion" was extremely biased. I was trying to say, who the hell is Tucker, supposedly unbiased, telling us it's an obvious conclusion?
My next post #17 - I know I didn't express myself clearly, but I was trying to say something along the lines of what jersey/DC girl said: First, for anyone who was surprised by the tone of Rev. Lowery’s speech, you obviously don’t know the man. He speaks his mind. And I’m sure the King kids, having grown up with him, were well aware of that. And if they’re ok, I’m ok and that’s ALL that should matter.
Don't you think Reverend Lowery would want this same kind of eulogy if it were his funereal? I do think think he would.
RemoveBush, I just saw your second comment. No problem at all. Sometimes I can't find the right words to say just what I want.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:25 pmNo IRI, we’re not even. You don’t KNOW me, and if you DID, you’d realize that I don’t use any of those words that you wrote. Stop trying to put all black people into the box that you see on TV or the few black people you may associate with (it must be a few, because if you knew more than a few, you wouldn’t spew the stupid shyte you’re spewing.)
Comment by jersey/DC girl
IRI spews stupid shyte on any subject, any time he posts here.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:34 pm“The man is a radical negro, oportunistic pan handler, partisan hack and an embarrasment to the Church of Jesus Christ.â€
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 11:48 am
IRI is gonna POP any day.
February 8th, 2006 at 7:46 pmOkay IRI lets play reality un based
so do you HAVE a picture of Him Panhandling?
there are pictures of Bush and Abramoff, yet YOU are saying now that YOU KNOW that hes a panhandler...
Damn IRI, isnt that Kinda, moon Battish?
February 8th, 2006 at 8:05 pmBy taking my comment out of context and leaving off the the second half you think this makes you somehow smarter. Now go google.
Comment by Larry Brewer #199
Hey Lasttoknow inBrewed,
...then why'd you try to make the point of your post (#177) the Kennedy's malevolent intent to wiretap King and destroy him?
"Robert Kennedy aurthorized the tapping of MLK’s phone. This must be very hard for you to accept..."
You're so strong, and intellectually superior Mr. inBrewed, I just wither in your magnificent deception...
...do your parents know you're online trying to tempt adults?
February 8th, 2006 at 8:59 pmIt’s truly sad, because African-Americans are going to think that all conservatives are like I-RIGHT-I.
Comment by Sarah #211
Sarah,
I know you mean well but...
There are many blacks who are fiscal "conservatives"...
...but social Progressives...
February 8th, 2006 at 9:08 pmAnd why Jesse Jackson should be uncomfortable is between him and his girlfriend which he paid off with Rainbow funds.
Comment by Larry Brewer #262
Hey Lasttoknow inBrewed,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but...
chances are,
...your father cheated on your aunt/mother...
...vice-versa...
...or both...
February 8th, 2006 at 9:14 pmA first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl’s waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.
The boy’s mother, Berthena Dorinvil, said she “screamed†about last week’s suspension from Downey Elementary School, and added her son doesn’t know what sexual harassment is.
“He was playing with her,†Dorinvil said.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #265
I'redeemable-peR'verse-I'rritant,
...beat you to the punch, huh?
February 8th, 2006 at 9:22 pmRight-wing Nut Job
aka
RWNJ
aka
"Orange"
Like the color of the jumpsuits of the folks picking up the trash along the interstate.
Spread the word!
February 8th, 2006 at 9:32 pmOrange...not a color that goes with blue but people try to combine it with red quite often...with hideous results.
i-r-i says:
this is utter bs. you don't know jack about jesus or the word of god. jesus didn't want christians, he wanted better jews. go look in your bible for anywhere jesus says, 'i want people to start a church that follows my teachings'.
or maybe i can save you a little time -- you won't find it there.
jesus is more important than god now ("in jesus' name we pray..."). if you actually think that's what jesus wanted, you're a brainwashed fundie-whackjob-nutcase with no hope of recovery.
fundamentalists like to believe that jesus is the key to everything. guess what: there isn't a single chapter, phrase, maxim, ANYTHING in the bible that suggests jesus had a plan for christianity or even envisioned such a thing. in fact, there's more in the bible to suggest that jesus would abhor christianity as the institution it's become, solely obsessed with gaining more power. the ideals are no longer as important as the institution.
answer me this: what kind of person wants to be worshipped? are they worthy of such attention if it satisfies a selfish desire?
my point? if he WANTED to be worshipped, he doesn't deserve it. if he DIDN'T WANT to be worshipped, then why are you worshipping him? the existence of christianity inherently contradicts jesus' teachings.
and i-r-i is a complete rightwinger, replete with all of the most desirable wingnut traits: racism, bigotry, self-absorption, and a limited world view. but what else is new?
February 8th, 2006 at 9:46 pmIt is so SATISFYING, what with the page down key and all, ignoring the trolls because they have to get paid to write nonsense that no one really cares about. Who cares what they "think" if you can call it that. Bottom line: they are part of the incredible shrinking less than 40% public. Yes, they are the minority. And as someone wrote, let them write whatever they want. IGNORANCE exposed for more to laugh at.
Here's the simple reality. There was a funeral. bush butt boy "president" thought he would attend to score some political points. But it backfired ... BIG TIME! :-) He deserved to be verbablly kicked, whipped and slapped. It was WONDERFUL to see American do that to bush after all the damage he has done to OUR America. The fact that more white RepubliClowns keep complaining about the funeral and how their butt boy brough a big smile to my face. Let them complain more. It only gives more attention to the matter. Trust me, just like Rome, this reckless administration will go down, big time when we least expect. I'll be laughing along with my popcorn as a POLITICAL AVALANCHE wipes out all these corrupt republicans.
February 9th, 2006 at 1:07 amREALITY BITES
Sucks to be Bush right now.
But eh...
... How dare we hold a mirror up
For him to gaze into. Umm...
Mr. President Kingship, sir...
Who's your taylor?
What a fine fabric of lies
They've made your clothes out of.
What's that you say??
Karl?
February 9th, 2006 at 1:13 amHEA, AT LEAST REV. JOSEPH LOWERY WAS KIND
HE COULD HAVE BEEN HONESTLY BLUNT AND SAID:
February 9th, 2006 at 3:07 am
#270-271, If the RW is so all powerful, in control of all branches of government, and the MSM as well, why the need for petty bitching? For being so bloody powerful, ya'll sure act like the "98 lb. Weakling". Your group uses torture, big tough guys that you are! But someone SAYS something that you don't like, and POOF!, you all turn into little "cry-babies". What is up with that? Bunch of candy asses, you can steam shovel it out, but you can't take it. Silly people.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:04 am#296 - "Right between the I's" has a very Republican view of Christianity: say the words, but ignore the Spirit of the Voice of God.
Basically, the Republicans are the man who prays in public so EVERYONE can hear his pious, oh-so-Christian, holier-than-thou attitude, and be blinded by the Spirit as it just oozes out of their pores. The reality is that the Republican party is blinded by political and monetary greed, and uses the "christian" (lower-c for lack of class) moniker for political grandstanding. They mouth the words, but refuse to honor the message from Jesus Christ about how to treat your fellow man.
The Democrats are closer to the real message. As a Christian, I feel that the Democrats also fall short, but they're a whole lot closer to how Jesus wants us to live.
I refuse, however, to use my faith as a bat with which to hit my opponents over the head. First off, it would be incredibly un-Christian to do so. (Yes, this message is pointed at the R's who have begun doing this in the posts recently.) Secondly, not everyone subscribes to the Christian faith. Faith belongs in the heart and in the deeds, NOT as a political football.
Something I was taught by my parents as part of my religious upbringing: when a persons words and their deeds do not match up, trust their deeds to tell you what they're doing.
1 - War based on numerous lies.
2 - Cutting social programs for the poor and defenseless.
3 - Refusing to raise Veterans benefits to match the cost of living AND to cover for more Veterans coming home from wars.
4 - Cutting taxes on ultra-rich and creating new massive national debt.
Nope, these deeds are very un-Christian, but that's what I've become used to seeing from the Republicans.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:48 amFor all you "Black" republiscum inbred al Cracker wannabes,
If you see your girl Cundti, tell her it was classless of her step-n-fetchit Bushite a*s not to show up at the funeral for the wife of the man who made it possible for her sorry, sell out, right wing, Bushite who*ing carcass to become the FIRST FEMALE BLACK SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
A plague on all your houses too you treasonous, inbred, al Cracker wannabe, sell outs...
February 9th, 2006 at 8:49 am[...] And Carlson, who spoke eloquently of free speech and a free press when discussing the Danish cartoons, told Dr. Lowery on Wednesday’s edition of his MSNBC show, The Situation, that his eulogy “seemed like bad manners,” and questioned whether President Carter’s eulogy was “appropriate.” [...]
February 9th, 2006 at 11:36 amBig Poopoo...
It seems that you have a great deal of time on your hands (do you work? or are you a brainwashed student?)....almost tooo much.....too much time to think and post hate-filled/ignorant statements.....
By the way....you seem to be the one that is selling out...selling out the righteous ideas/ideals of the left by hijacking them with the (numerous) failing attempts to regain power by over-reaching and pushing--yes pushing--people to the right....
God bless....
February 9th, 2006 at 12:13 pmiRi is of the same group of people who believe that the mass-kidnapping, murder, and enslavement of Africans was somehow beneficial to their history and progress on a global level.
Comment by Catalyst
God works in mysterious ways. I quote Joseph who's brothers sold him into slavery just as the African sold his brother into slavery...
Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
And so we see a parallel to the story in this country and other European colonies where the "peculiar institution" has brought a remnant of the Negro race out of their heathen hell holes and into the light of Christian liberal democracy. No one can honestly say the American Negro is not blessed in comparison to his African tribal brother who is being slaughtered, starved, diseased and eaten by wild animals and cannibals in his native land. Which American who happens to be of African ancestry would leave his government subsidized condo in Detroit to trade places with his African counterpart?
furthermore - how can any caucasian’s view of African thought be considered as ‘radical’ in light of the horrendous atrocities that built this country?
I think anyone who would say that horrendous atrocities "built" America has a skewed and willfully ignorant view of America and can be considered a foolish child and America hater. If you happen to have been born in this country then you are a self loathing American and someone to be pitied and watched. As you know, we are watching you.
Nat Turners revolt happened for a reason.
Comment by Catalyst
"Early in the morning of August 22, 1831, a band of eight Black slaves, led by a lay preacher named Nat Turner, entered the Travis house in Southampton County, Virginia and killed five members of the Travis family. This was the beginning of a slave uprising that was to become known as Nat Turner's rebellion. Over a thirty-six hour period, this band of slaves grew to sixty or seventy in number and slew fifty-eight White persons in and around Jerusalem, Virginia (seventy miles east of Richmond) before the local community could act to stop them. This rebellion raised southern fears of a general slave uprising and had a profound influence on the attitude of Southerners towards slavery.
Since the 1790's when slaves rebelled in Santo Domingo and slaughtered 60,000 people, Southerners realized that their own slaves might rise up against them. A number of slave revolt conspiracies were uncovered in the South between 1820 and 1831 but none frightened Southerners as much as Nat Turner's rebellion. "
Yes it did happen for a reason. It happened because men were not meant to be slaves. But it also happened because Africans are mercilessly and mindlessly violent people. The preceeding reminds me that 12% of the US population commits nearly 70% of the murders and violent crime. Given the history of Africa I'd say it's always been that way. It's said that Nimrod was from the region of Ethiopia, a black Cushite. We know he was the first conqueror of nations and no doubt a merciless killer and enslaver.
"The course that our interpretation of these two verses takes will be determined very largely by the meaning of the word "Nimrod." For the meaning of the verbform nimrodh, without a doubt, is "let us revolt." . . . The tendency of this Cushite must have been to rise up against, and to attempt to overthrow, all existing order. In fact, he must have used this motto so frequently in exhorting others to rebellion, that finally it was applied to him as a name descriptive of the basic trait of his character. . . . So this inciter to revolt (Nimrod) came to be the first tyrant upon the earth, oppressing others and using them for the furtherance of his own interests.
The name itself, Nimrod from (marad, see Strong's #4775) "we will revolt," points to some violent resistance to God. (Kiel and Delitzsch, 1888)
The name of Nimrod is usually derived from (marad), to rebel, because he was a rebel against God, as is generally said, and because, as Jarchi observes, he caused all the world to rebel against God, by the advice he gave to the . . . builders of Babel. (John Gill, 1763)
Thus the first thing that we are told about Nimrod is that he was a man characterized by rebellion against God and Godly Families."
Martin Luther King had he stayed his spiritual course instead of choosing politics and rebellion could have done much to heal the wounds of a torn nation. As it happened he only made it fester and provided us with the likes of Jackson, Sharpton and radicals of all stripes and a seemingly never ending supply of bastard children that never learn to speak English or dress properly.
So there you go, I call this "Truth From Power".
February 9th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#302 - "If you see your girl Cundti, tell her it was classless of her step-n-fetchit Bushite a*s not to show up at the funeral for the wife of the man who made it possible for her sorry, sell out, right wing, Bushite who*ing carcass to become the FIRST FEMALE BLACK SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!" - cRUDE daddy
February 9th, 2006 at 1:08 pm***** Keep up the GOOD work!!! You illustrate the cRUDEness that many Americans have come to associate with the "progressive" movement. The "eulogies" presented by "Reverend" Lowery, that dismal failure of an ex-President, Jimmy Carter, and the sanctimonious "sermon" of Ted "the Swimmer" were long on politics and short on Coretta. As with most things "politically progressive", the name of the game is tasteless self-promotion.
I-WRONG-i
Don't you have a Klan meeting to attend?
February 9th, 2006 at 2:17 pmThe “eulogies†presented by “Reverend†Lowery, that dismal failure of an ex-President, Jimmy Carter, and the sanctimonious “sermon†of Ted “the Swimmer†were long on politics and short on Coretta.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Yep. Compare all that blatant self promotion with our President's brief memorial to the lady and tell he's not a class act. On top of that he knew he was walking in to a viper's nest and attended anyway and I don't know why he bothered. All the woman did was market MLK after his death and fight other family members over the money. Didn't she get a Nobel Peace Prize for that?
February 9th, 2006 at 2:30 pmAttending the King Family Circus....I mean service...was a brave, and classy thing for the President to do. I'm sure that paragon of the "Great Society", LBJ, was rolling in his grave. Joining the second guessing, always critcial "rear view mirror" club is a pre-requisite for membership in the weak and mewling Dem Party -
Poor Coretta - whose idea was it to send her to that bastion of medical technology in Rosarito Beach, Mexico??????
February 9th, 2006 at 3:02 pmBy the way, Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah.
Interesting. My father is a retired Episcopal priest and he has done far more in terms of scholarly reading and takes the opposite view. My readings are more in line with his as well. Perhaps you do not know your Lord as well as you think?
Feloneous
Let's review shall we? "Jesus is not in favor of race based preferences, welfare, radical Negro clergy, communist fuctard ex-presidents or submitting to Allah."
I stand by my statement the opinion of some socialist pseudo-christian liberal fucktard not withstanding.
Recall that Jesus spoke Truth to Power in his time. He was considered a radical. This is WHY he was tortured until he died.
Wrong. He was murdered because He claimed to be God.
His point was that change does NOT occur by killing others (recall again, love thine enemies and turn the other cheek? he opposed blood feuds which resulted in pointless deaths).
Wrong again. He (as the Father) ordered blood feuds which resulted in deaths that were necessary.( See Old Testament God of Blood and Wrath.) In the future He will order the destruction of most of the Earth's population.(See Revelation) During His incarnation violence and politics played no part in his work though He did kick some butt in the Temple.
“Radical Negro clergy?†That’s a term I haven’t heard since the 60’s. Pat Robertson calling for assignation - wouldn’t that be radical Caucasian Clergy?
The difference being of course that Robertson was talking about violence against a communist dictator in S. America and the radical Negro clergy are calling for violence against fellow Americans.
When a company has more protections than an individual, that is not equal treatment. When a President illegally spies and is not called down for it, that is not equal treatment. When the rich are favored over the poor, that is not equal treatment. So, by your definition, Jesus would be appalled at this Administration.
Let's be clear, Jesus is to my thinking appalled at everyone but especially the shepherds of the flock who forget their first love and go into politics. No one is denying that there is injustice but you behave as if injustice only takes place when conservatives are in the White House. This is irresponsible and wrong headed thinking but I doubt Jesus Christ then or now would make any of your concerns a top priority. This isn't our home and therefore we shouldn't be overly concerned how the owner operates it. The rich have always been favored over the poor and always will be until Christ returns. Leaders have always and will always abuse or misuse their power so what's your point? Oh and just so you know, a corporation can be tens of thousands of people with hundreds of thousands of dependents and millions more who one way or another benefit from the success of the corporation. But even so, the individual is protected whether it is better or worse is subject to debate.
And I must have missed the whole ‘Jesus killing for the Church’ thing. Was that in the Book of Rambo?
I don't think I said that but to defend oneself, family and country against murderous barbarians would seem to me a logical imperative if there is to be a Church at all. What I did say was that the "Gentle Jesus" of the liberal church that nobody goes to anymore doesn't exist. On this Earth He was a lamb destined for slaughter from the foundation of the Earth. "We no longer know Him after the flesh" He is now "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah" and you've heard the story, "the good news is Jesus is coming back, the bad news is he's really pissed off." This is a true statement. The God of Wrath and Blood is our Lord and Savior. Such a One does not look kindly on pussies and pacifists when the lives of millions of His own hang in the balance. There is such a thing as a Just War and the blood that Christ Himself will shed when he returns is proof enough of that.
However, he DID say “Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?†Are you the type to give stones when people are in want for food? Is this not what happened during Katrina?
You must be out of your mind. Katrina victims were fed, clothed and housed whether they deserved it or not. New Orleans puked up some of the worst of the dregs of humanity and we as a nation still took care of them. I've yet to hear a thank you from any one of them.
Naturally I can back all of that up as I have more than just a anecdotal possession of the Word of God, something you losers can’t be bothered with.
So far you haven’t really convinced me you don’t have more than a “700 Club†view of the Church (just a hint: 700 is 666 rounded up).
It's not my job to convince you of anything, I know what I know and I know that Everything You Know Is Wrong.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:57 pmAttending the King Family Circus….I mean service…was a brave, and classy thing for the President to do. I’m sure that paragon of the “Great Societyâ€, LBJ, was rolling in his grave. Joining the second guessing, always critcial “rear view mirror†club is a pre-requisite for membership in the weak and mewling Dem Party -
Poor Coretta - whose idea was it to send her to that bastion of medical technology in Rosarito Beach, Mexico??????
Comment by mighty aphrodite #309
Puny Hermaphrodite,
Attending the King memorial service was a calculated political manuever that backfired on that al Cracker sh*thead Bushiva...
Looks like Rove fu*ked up big time, probably told Bushiva that after his attendance and praise Blacks would fall over themselves to register Republiscum, and would shower him with flowers...
....sh*****t...
...not in this lifetime...
As for that clinic in Mexico, you wouldn't be admitted...
...you have to have ovaries, diseased or not...
...you don't qualify as a woman...
...just a cyclically bleeding pig...
February 9th, 2006 at 5:23 pmSo there you go, I call this “Truth From Powerâ€.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #305
Indefensible-Reviled-Inanity,
You're exhibiting the apex of your "power" right here...
...you're powerfully ignorant...
...powerfully stupid...
...powerfully worthless...
...and no matter how much you delude yourself....
...Dr. King will mean more to the little IRI inbreds than you will...
February 9th, 2006 at 5:37 pmIt seems that you have a great deal of time on your hands (do you work? or are you a brainwashed student?)….almost tooo much…..too much time to think and post hate-filled/ignorant statements…..
Comment by mike #304
Miscreant,
I'm in the pleasure business...
In fact, I employ several of your family members...
You'd be proud, they're actually some of my most sought after hostesses...
...thanks Miscreant for your support...
I figure another year and I'll be able to run for Bushiva's job...
Capitalism...ya gotta love it!
Just so you know, we don't want you inbreds changing Parties...
...who would we hang after the smoke clears?
February 9th, 2006 at 5:48 pmFebruary 9th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
A clear voice
February 9th, 2006 at 7:08 pmA honest voice
A MESSAGE needed to massage the voters
A challenge to the religious.
Remember the poor,
Remember the hungry
Remember the imprisoned Visit them stop the torture.
It seems that you have a great deal of time on your hands (do you work? or are you a brainwashed student?)….almost tooo much…..too much time to think and post hate-filled/ignorant statements…..
Comment by mike #304
Miscreant,
I’m in the pleasure business…
In fact, I employ several of your family members…
You’d be proud, they’re actually some of my most sought after hostesses…
Comment by big papa
Translation: "I dropped out of high school at 17 and have been living with my Auhhhhhant for the past 15 years. I actually screwed a fat ugly white chick once. After that she stopped believing that all African Americans are created equal according to Hillary Clinton."
February 9th, 2006 at 7:53 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Hate speech comes so naturally to you and that religious/partisan brain of yours. David Duke would be proud of you pumpkin. But I'm hoping that someday you realize what a silly scared little boy you are, and grow up. I'll keep hoping pumpkin that your terrible 2s will end someday.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:33 pm…Dr. King will mean more to the little IRI inbreds than you will…
Comment by big papa
No dout Pops. I'm not in it for the money or the glory.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:46 pm"No dout Pops. I’m not in it for the money or the glory.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 9, 2006 @ 8:46 pm"
Nor apparently for the integrity or morality. But that's OK son, I forgive you. You clearly can't help your compulsion to do immoral and harmful things. I forgive you for your immorality.
February 9th, 2006 at 9:08 pm-RIGHT-I,
Hate speech comes so naturally to you and that religious/partisan brain of yours. David Duke would be proud of you pumpkin. But I’m hoping that someday you realize what a silly scared little boy you are, and grow up. I’ll keep hoping pumpkin that your terrible 2s will end someday.
Comment by RightPunch
RP, David Duke and his ilk would die at my hands if I thought i could get away with it. You. Misunderstand. Me.
Sorry I can't be of more help but your check hasn't cleared.
February 9th, 2006 at 9:38 pmThe comments were totally inappropriate for the occasion. He can call a press conference or hold a sit-in on the Capitol steps if he wants to call attention to something. A funeral is NEVER the proper place for a political speech. That some of you think it is shows how socially inept you have become. I have no interest in the opinions of someone with so little sense of decorum.
February 9th, 2006 at 10:35 pmThe partisan brain isn’t a rational brain pumpkin.
Comment by RightPunch
I bet it cost you $200/hr for someone to give you that little bit of insight about yourself didn't it?...and quit calling me pumpkin.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:09 amI'd like to personally thank and congratulate IRI, Lasttoknow, inBrewed, Puny Hermaphrodite, Randy, and all the other racist, al Cracker inbreds on this thread for clearly illustrating why America is in deep sh*t...
These treasonous, right wing inbred animals hae no humanity...
...only loathing and self-pity for the guilt they feel from their racist murderous forefathers...
These are the attendees one sees in the photos of public lynchings and burnings of Blacks...
...the children of the murderous white mobs held high on their fathers and grandfathers shoulders, their swollen red lips parted in ghastly fiendish smiles like their sisters and mothers as they view the charred remains of the Black man's genitals...
IRI, Larry Brewster, Mighty Aphrodite et al...
This is the Republiscum Party
February 10th, 2006 at 9:30 am…the children of the murderous white mobs held high on their fathers and grandfathers shoulders, their swollen red lips parted in ghastly fiendish smiles like their sisters and mothers as they view the charred remains of the Black man’s genitals…
IRI, Larry Brewster, Mighty Aphrodite et al…
This is the Republiscum Party
Comment by big papa
And thanks to you too Pops and all your illegitimate children for making it possible to have "Right To Carry" laws in most of these United States. I'd also like to give a big shout out to all the prison guards and wardens in this country that keep a majority of you assholes behind bars so my ammunition bill isn't quite so high.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:55 amSweetie, how could someone misunderstand that your postings are generally racist?
Comment by RightPunch
Because they don't know what a racist is. They think a racist is someone who stands up and tells the Black community that they are fucked up and that it is they that need to get their house in order. That is if he's White. If he's Black and says that then he's an Uncle Tom.
I enjoy baiting radical professional victim type Black folk who DEMAND this and DEMAND that and whine and seethe when they perceive some social injustice which usually means anything that doesn't go their way. They are pathetic and deserve to be baited.
There is a story this morning about a 300lb black woman who is suing Southwest Airlines because they made her buy an extra seat on the plane to accommodate her girth and the person unlucky enough to have to sit next to her. That is their published policy and it's a good one. She's suing them because they are discriminating against her because she's black. That's her claim. People like her need to be slapped down and ridiculed. I don't give a damn if her fat assed great, great, great, great grandmother did come over on a slave ship. The woman ought to be thankful to be here where she can afford to eat herself into a 300lb blob of fat instead of in Africa where she'd probably starve to death or herself be on someone or something's menu. If that's racist then sue me.
A real racist is someone who thinks that his race is genetically, culturally and morally superior to any other race on the planet and is not prepared to give any of those people one iota of credit for being human. I either know personally or have heard of someone like that from every race on the globe. That's a racist and contrary to the myth spread by idiots like Jessie Jackson it is not a trait common only to white people.
February 10th, 2006 at 10:19 amFebruary 10th, 2006 at 11:36 am
When my dad, God rest his soul, died, his funeral service was packed. Funny thing, about half were friends and family and the other half were professional rivals, most of whom did not care for him personally. Being very young (and protective of my dear mother) I asked her WHY someone would come to the funeral of one with such mutual dislike. She said, "They might not have liked each other, but your dad and these others had great respect for one another." Smart Mom!!!
When the tacky and tasteless self-promoters on the left turn the funeral into a circus they might as well have rolled out the cotton candy and pop-corn machines. Or more in keeping with the Dem "get-out-the-vote" machine, donuts and cigarettes.
February 10th, 2006 at 2:00 pmBig poopoo
Good one...I am sure we will have many more conversations...
Can you explain the "Miscreant" label? I am not too sure where that came from....I think you might have me confused with some other level-headed individual....
February 10th, 2006 at 2:18 pmSweetie, how could someone misunderstand that your postings are generally racist?
Comment by RightPunch
TODAY'S BIBLE LESSON
Cocky rap star KANYE WEST is calling for a revised edition of THE BIBLE, because he thinks he should be a character in it.
The JESUS WALKS hitmaker, who picked up three Grammy Awards last night (08FEB06), feels sure he'd be "a griot" (West African storyteller) in a modern Bible.
He says, "I bring up historical subjects in a way that makes kids want to learn about them. I'm an inspirational speaker.
"I changed the sound of music more than one time... For all those reasons, I'd be a part of the Bible. I'm definitely in the history books already."
This is what happens when you give gutter snipes too much money. Somebody should break it to the guy that the Bible doesn't need him as there's already a talking ass featured.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:01 pm#
That's disgusting...
February 10th, 2006 at 4:25 pmbig papa, have you ever considered getting some help for these anger issues? For crying out loud, talk to someone before it's too late!
What's the point behind "Today's Bible Lesson," considering that Kanye West has nothing to do with this already significantly off-topic thread?
February 10th, 2006 at 4:51 pmPOS Papa posts- "…only loathing and self-pity for the guilt they feel from their racist murderous forefathers…"
****Sorry, Pops, I try to treat every person I meet with courtesy and civility. Unlike your ancestors, my great, great grandfather enlisted in the Union Army and was killed at Antietam. He was 26 years old, married and the father of two. Our family is proud of his sacrifice and owe no one. Turn off the pay-for-porn and tune into the History Channel - your education was short changed.
February 10th, 2006 at 8:07 pm- your education was short changed.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
He probably knows a lot about pimping.
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Comment by Smedley
I wouldn't do that if I were you. He'll just stage another double decker bus bombing.
February 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pmThe Rev. Lowery will probably not be around when the lid is taken off the FBI files on MLK. I'd like to see the look on his face, however. They will show ties to the Communist Party and the Soviets, who "propped" him up by funding him and his "movement". It served their and Jewish interests in this country by elimination of White control over Blacks in this country. It was felt by the Soviets and Communists in this country, that, by empowering them, it would weaken the U.S. in general and allow Communism to flourish. It did weaken the U.S.. Witness the collapse of our public educational system after full integration and the relentless burning of U.S. cities that followed passage of Civil Rights legistlation - for years.
February 12th, 2006 at 2:18 pmThe Rev. Lowery will probably not be around when the lid is taken off the FBI files on MLK. I’d like to see the look on his face, however. They will show ties to the Communist Party and the Soviets, who “propped†him up by funding him and his “movementâ€.
Comment by Ddale Andrews
The lid is already off. We just don't talk about it like we should. Rosa Parks was trained to do her "bus thing" by fellow travelers as well.
It served their and Jewish interests in this country by elimination of White control over Blacks in this country.
You need to differentiate the Left Wing Red Diaper Baby Jew who were committed communists and much of the brains behind American Leftism (still are) and Jews in general. If you don't you come off sounding like a neo-Nazi. As Paul said; Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
It was felt by the Soviets and Communists in this country, that, by empowering them, it would weaken the U.S. in general and allow Communism to flourish. It did weaken the U.S.. Witness the collapse of our public educational system after full integration and the relentless burning of U.S. cities that followed passage of Civil Rights legistlation - for years.
That burning and looting was the result of the Black churches giving up their authority over the communities. King was instrumental in replacing the Gospel of Christ with the Gospel of Empowerment.
February 12th, 2006 at 3:09 pmI would like to get back to some of the main issues involved in the Lowery speech. Rev. Lowery was asked to give a speech at the funeral. As far as I know, President Bush was not asked to attend. Even if he was asked, for him to claim that he was unfamiliar with the likely style of open expression in funeral services of Dr. King's and Rev. Lowery's religion, is totally disingenuous. Any politician in Texas, any resident of Texas, is aware of the open and deeply expressed rhetoric of the black churches here. There's something in Texas called TV, if nothing else, where sermons of all faiths can be seen practically throughout the day on Sundays. So that was a total lie from Mr. Bush, of course. Another unnecessary lie. If he didn't want to hear what was bound to be an honest, and almost certainly unflattering, sermon--he should have stayed at home and forgone the "photo op". Why should people who have gathered to share their grief over a beloved woman, a leader in civil rights, have to stifle their voices? And as to the smirking and talking that he and his wife were performing on stage as Rev. Lowery was speaking... Now That was rudeness. I am embarrassed for them and for their poor manners. Rev. Lowery should be thanked for his strength and good sense in dealing with the Bushs and the absurd media followup.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:14 am“I was hungry; you didn’t feed me. I was naked; you didn’t clothe me. I was in prison; you didn’t see about me.†He talked about war. He talked about he who lives by the sword.
Yes, Lowery is correct. Jesus did say, I was hungry and the government didn't feed me. I was naked and the government didn't clothe me. I was in prison because the criminal justice system is not fair. He talked about people like King David and Joshua when he said, " He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Yes, Lowery is correct.
He forgot to mention the verse where Jesus said you should turn the other cheek. I guess we should just let the Muslim terrorists continue to attack us and do nothing about it.
This man does not even know the Bible and is not a Christian much less a reverend.
February 14th, 2006 at 8:26 amLuke 9:60
Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
Maybe the Reverend Lowery should have been concentrating more on proclaiming the kingdom of God.
February 14th, 2006 at 9:44 amThen Mary took a twelve-ounce jar of expensive perfume made from essence of nard, and she anointed Jesus' feet with it and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with fragrance.
But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples--the one who would betray him--said, "That perfume was worth a small fortune. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor." Not that he cared for the poor he was a thief who was in charge of the disciples' funds, and he often took some for his own use.
Jesus replied, "Leave her alone. She did it in preparation for my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but I will not be here with you much longer."
February 14th, 2006 at 10:06 amwould like to get back to some of the main issues involved in the Lowery speech. Rev. Lowery was asked to give a speech at the funeral. As far as I know, President Bush was not asked to attend.
Comment by New Voice
Stop right there. Bush didn't have to be asked. Because of her notoriety in marriage, not her deeds, the President was expected to attend her funeral. The President honored her by his presence as he represents the People of these United States. There was no question of his attendance. Obviously you are a classless dolt.
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