Majority Leader Boehner Supports Congressional Investigation Of Bush’s Warrantless Surveillance
Majority Leader Boehner Supports Congressional Investigation Of Bush’s Warrantless Surveillance
Two prominent Republicans – Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM) and Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) — this week came out in support of congressional investigation and oversight into President Bush’s warrantless surveillance program.
What the traditional media has ignored thus far is that new Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) supports a congressional investigation as well. He announced his support on a blogger conference call last week:
Jon Henke: Mr. Congressman, on the NSA warrantless surveillance issue, do you believe the President has the inherent authority to do what he has been doing? Or do you think we need to codify the process somehow?
Rep. John A. Boehner: I think that it’s unclear to me. Now the President, clearly, and his people believe that they have the ability to do this and frankly I’m very interested in hearings to see in how, I mean they’ve attempted to justify it, but frankly I want to make, if it’s not clear in the law or Constitution today, it ought to be made clear in a law or the Constitution that he can do this and what the limits are. But at this point, I’m not, it’s not clear in my mind under that he has, under what authority he has to get it done.
Jon Henke: Would you support an investigation to look into that question?
Rep. John A. Boehner: I would. I’d think it would be of interest of all Americans to get to the bottom of how does this happen? Under what authority? And what are the protections?
Transcript of the call here. Audio here.
Someone also may want to notify Karl Rove.
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I am sure this is just a trick. They all want to say they supported an investigation and nothing really came out of it. Just a blatant ruse. You cannot trust them.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:01 pmThat’s just fine. Now, when is this thug going to step down or be indicted?
February 9th, 2006 at 3:02 pmactions speak louder than words, I will wait until they actually do something before i trust any of em
February 9th, 2006 at 3:03 pmMaybe it’s me, but it sounds to me like he’s saying that he wants to have hearings not to determine if the President broke the law, but to determine how they can enable the president to continue doing this.
I don’t think that’s what the public wants, especially if the President wants the legal authority to spy on domestic non-terrorist groups without a warrant.
And before anybody says it, of course we all want the President to go after the terrorists making contact outside the country in order to stop them, so please don’t make the baseless accusation that I want the terrorists to win. Only someone who doesn’t know me very well or is incredibly stupid would think I want that.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:07 pmI think the effort has begun to get ahead of this story before the democrats do.
With republicans leading the public and congressional charge they can define the parameters and the storyline.
Democrats a day late and a dollar short once again (not the bloggers but the elected Dems).
February 9th, 2006 at 3:09 pm“…but frankly I want to make, if it’s not clear in the law or Constitution today, it ought to be made clear in a law or the Constitution that he can do this and what the limits are.” – Congressman Boehner
******When you get right down to it, a handful of Dems are supporting the majority of Republicans who want to protect this country. They want to know the limits on intercepting and infiltrating messages and threats of our ENEMY. BUT the PROTECTION of the NATION is paramount – unlike the sniveling 9/10 thinkers dominating the left today.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:11 pmAphrodite, English works best in this blog.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:13 pm#6
February 9th, 2006 at 3:14 pmEveryone already knows the limits. They are written in law. I think what most people want to know is where the Prez got the idea that he can circumvent the law. The question is not in the protection of the country from terrorists. All of us want that. It’s is this administration above the law?
What you have to believe to be a Republican…
1) Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.
2) Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
3) A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
4) Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of Homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
5) The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.
6) If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.
7) Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
8) HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.
9) Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
10) A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
11) Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
12) The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s cocaine conviction is none of our business.
13) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a
conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness, and you need our prayers for
your recovery.
14) What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but
February 9th, 2006 at 3:14 pmwhat Bush did in the ’80s is irrelevant.
dlet, hermaphrodite knows that. We’ve been telling it the same thing for weeks. It doesn’t care what it’s told, or how much sense we make, or how redundant it’s ridiculous statements are, it prefers to insult. It’s probably 12 years old and badly needs a spanking.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYou don’t have to a sociopath to be Republican, but it helps.
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2005/11/you-dont-have-to-sociopath-to-be.html
February 9th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#9 unbelievable,
LOL! Excellent! Well done. And completely irrefutable based on what we’ve heard Republicans complain about. And when you add some of what you have to believe to be a “compassionate conservative” (Like: If you’re poor, it’s because you made bad choices in life.), you wind up with a government that just doesn’t care about people who are not religious, super-wealthy, or willing to let the president take away their rights.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:20 pmself protectionism
February 9th, 2006 at 3:21 pmClearly, Boner wants to make it ‘okay’, after the fact.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:22 pm#10
February 9th, 2006 at 3:24 pmI know…I know. I couldn’t help myself. I get the delusion every once in a while that it will change its mind one day. Thanks for the dose of reality.
With the repubs in control of congress we can expect that they will put on a nice show designed to show that they are holding the prez accountable. It will run through the 2006 election cycle so dems will have less ammo to fire at repubs on this issue.
Now if the leading repubs were advocating for an independent counsel to be appointed with full subpoena powers then Americans might actually find out the truth. Otherwise, a congressional investigation will turn into another dog and pony show. Remember: Anything the GOP leadership proposes has come from the Rove White House.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:24 pmnot-so-mighty aphrodite illustrates perfectly the cowardly afraid-of-their-own-shadow element that bush and his gang keep exploiting in their dubious adventures. I just wonder how any of these cowardly whimps, who willingly and gladly surrender their rights and liberties, can look themselves in the mirror knowing how they are spitting in the face of our Constitution, our founding fathers, and this great nation as a whole.
Who would have been able to predict how quickly the chief cowards (bush, cheney, rumsfeld, powell) could turn this country into the “land of the not-quite-free and home of the scared shitless”.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:25 pmYou forgot #15. When refering to mexicans coming north, they are “illegals”, and “leeches on the American social welfare system”; but cubans doing essentially the same thing are “immigrants from a repressive communist regime”.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:25 pm#9,
February 9th, 2006 at 3:28 pmBest summary of the hypocritical nature of the right-wing hypocrites that I’ve seen in a while.
Wayne,
I can’t take credit – a friend in Seattle emailed it to me today. Another rational Atheist liberal… :) But thought it was fitting enough to post right after something elese utterly incoherent by MA.
The interesting thing lately is that some of these guys seem to be on the way to getting a dose of their own medicine. Unfortunately, it won’t solve anything, but a bit of karma every now and then is a relief from the usual news.
I looked at my class today and wondered how they go from mostly rational and intelligent beings into stupid adults. And then it dawned on me that the Capitalism machine is like a huge magnet on their hard drives… I really wish we could fix that.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:30 pmUnbelievable,
That was funny! That and the story on the George W Bush presidential library ;-)
Haven’t seen your posts in days. Welcome back.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:52 pmmighty aphrodite
You are a 1775 thinker.
Guess what. Democrats were kicking nazi ass and spying on USSR before you were born. You are baseless in your attacks. Maybe the peaceniks take your slurs personally, but many of us have no freakin clue what you are talking about.
I know I have not met a single person that thinks the way you keep describing people here. If I had never listened to Rush Limbaugh before I wouldnt know where this comes from…but alas I used to listen to him so I do know where you get your slobering manical nonsense.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:55 pmToday’s WSJ:
Whatever happened to “impeachment”? Only two months ago, that was the word on leading Democratic lips as they assailed President Bush for “illegal” warrantless NSA wiretaps against al Qaeda suspects. But at Monday’s Senate hearing on the issue, the idea never even made an appearance.
The reason isn’t because liberal critics have come to some epiphany about the necessity of executive discretion in wartime. The reason is they can read the opinion polls. And the polls show that a majority of Americans want their government to eavesdrop on al Qaeda suspects, even–or should we say, especially–if they’re talking to one of their dupes or sympathizers here in the U.S.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007940
February 9th, 2006 at 3:56 pmIt’s a trap . The repubs want to legitimize bush’s breaking the law.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:57 pmLet’s throw the rascals out.
“******When you get right down to it, a handful of Dems are supporting the majority of Republicans who want to protect this country. They want to know the limits on intercepting and infiltrating messages and threats of our ENEMY. BUT the PROTECTION of the NATION is paramount – unlike the sniveling 9/10 thinkers dominating the left today.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 3:11 pm”
Oh sweetie, you’re more likely to die from McDonalds French Fries and the transfat – but I forgive you for your silly hysteria and child like fear. And would these be the republicans who don’t believe Bin Laden is a threat? How again are they protecting america, other than spying on old ladies like yourself? The partisan brain sure does make the weak of mind say silly things doesn’t it? Don’t worry pumpkin, the grown ups will protect you from yourself.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:57 pmBen,
Sweetie, the majority of americans don’t want what you say, but the partisan brain doesn’t process facts, it lives in rhetoric. So I forgive you for relying on false information to support your preconceptions pumpkins. It’s what partisans do, lie to themselves to keep up the fantasy. Poor pumpkin, you have my pity. You might want to follow this poll, which shows the majority of americans are for impeaching bush over warrantless spying pumpkin.
http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2
The poll you cite isn’t for ‘warrantless spying’, it’s spying in general – a relevant fact, but one that can’t be processed when partisan brain is involved. Poor pumpkin, you have so much loyalty and so little reasons for it.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:00 pmI am really gettin the feeling that the likes of the paid posters are getting worn down, good job TP community.
(now, they will come back, taking the bait)
February 9th, 2006 at 4:01 pm#25,
Haven’t seen statistics an the chances of dying by a terrorist attack. We see all kinds on the chances of dying from lightning, airplane crashes, car crashes, etc. If that stat was to come out, it would just prove further the hypocracy and fear mongering. Everything else the government funds requires data to justify the funding. The largest amount of spending goes to programs (defense and security related) with no stats to justify it.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:06 pm#23
Did you see/read Russ Feingold’s speech on Tuesday? Apparnetly neither did the Wall Street Journal.
No sh!t? That is the same thing we want, no wonder the polls are so fvcking high.
What we don’t want is that those wiretaps be done without first the government obatining a WARRANT.
Why do they keep posting this same crap that is so easily debunked?
February 9th, 2006 at 4:07 pmOkay RP you keep thinking that and the conservatives will keep winning elections. I am so hoping you guys will still be here in November. Not that far away. When the conservatives continue to control Congress what will be your excuse then?
February 9th, 2006 at 4:07 pm#24 has it… These calls for investigation are for politcal purposes only, afterall what have they done in the last 6 years that has not been for political purposes? With this move they can lay claim to protecting the rights of americans while reafirming the presidents claim to having the right to abridge those rights at will. Coming from this man I have absolutely no faith in the sincerity of the gecture. And he may just be saying this to take heat off of his obvious lobbying shenanigans.
MA – I will take the pre 9/11 world anytime…peace prosperity etc… but that pre-9/11 mindset you talk about is that the mindset of the Bush administration which choose to ignore any and all threats in favor of un needed tax cuts and unneeded missile defense systems? Or by pre-911 I’m sure you are refferring to the clinton years only.
Of course I’ll take the pre-911 world where America was still respected as was I as a citizen.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:08 pmUnfortunately Ben they are spying on Al Quaker not Al Qaeda and every time they do(I’m sure most of the time) the big bad terra rist gets away.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:10 pmY’know I thought I heard right after 9/11 that Al Qaeda was communicating with hidden binary code in porno pictures and pictures of paintings on the net etc. not phone conversations.
Yet measily little community programs and health related public programs require mountains of proof and accountability. I would bet the chances of the most fearful getting attacked by a terrorist, are so slim, it would be a joke. And if the chances were greater, we would wonder what is being done to lower the chances. And the funny thing is that the coasts probably have the highest chances, where all the liberals live, so what does Mighty give a crap about. Nothing to be afraid of Mighty and IRI and BSR. Who wants to attack the Wal-Mart in Tennessee?
February 9th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#22 – “Guess what. Democrats were kicking nazi ass and spying on USSR before you were born.” – G. Gibson
February 9th, 2006 at 4:11 pm*****A USUAL, the Dems were a day late to WWII. Between FDR, who couldn’t or wouldn’t, believe the atrocities committed in the concentration camps, wouldn’t let the doomed ship, St. Louis land in the US carrying Jewish refugees, wouldn’t LEAD to help an ally until we were attacked – oh, yeah… that shows the “strength” (HA!!) of Dems. Add into the mix, the corrupt ol’ reprobate, Joe Kennedy’s take on Hitler….
let’s see – Boehner, Sensenbrenner, Specter, Wilson… if these investigations don’t happen it will be because of direct interference by the Bush camp… denial of support for re-elections, etc.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:19 pmUnbelievable (or, okay, your Seattle friend)–
Excellent. (Meaning: Damn you. Wish I’d thought of it myself.) Please feel free to update and expand.
E.g.:
Democrats who balance the budget are tax-and-spend liberals who want to bankrupt the country, but turning a multi-billion dollar surplus into a half-trillion dollar deficit by taking out loans from China is designed to “keep the economy moving.”
“The markets” will rationally solve all economic problems, but the government cannot be allowed to bargain with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices, because that’s socialism.
Money is “speech,” and corporations and individuals should be allowed to contribute whatever they want to political campaigns, but protest rallies are disruptive, and should be segregated in “expression zones.”
Product liability lawyers are ambulance chasers who exploit private tragedy for personal gain, but diagnosing Terri Schiavo via tv footage represents a “culture of life.”
And so on, ad nauseam.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:22 pmHermaphrodit:”Joe Kennedy’s take on Hitler….” Quit bring up papa Bush’s old friend Adolph!
February 9th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#34 careful MA, you might want to revist your history a bit. Take a look at which politcal party wanted to back Hitler. And of course your comment about waiting till we were attacked before going to war shows your utter contempt for the law. Good job. One reason we are America is that we follow, or used to follow the law. Now we just do as we please and say it is law after the fact.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:28 pmDespite Pig Boy Rove’s frantic arm-twisting, the great wall of Repug solidarity is beginning to crumble. Just watch how fast these rats scurry to get off the sinking ship before the midterm elections.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:30 pmHaven’t seen your posts in days. Welcome back.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 9, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
Seems we could use a litte humor lately :).
Thanks. There’ve been many tests and projects to grade this week and the computer at school has been uncooperative (I think it needs a vacation as well)… plus, I’m not as educated on the technical, legal aspects of politics like you and Spudge and RP, or as interested, really… I tend to seek the more human interest side – with the psychology and cultural anthropolgy behind why people do what they do. Lately the forums seem to be more technical law, so I’ve been reading more than posting. But I’m usually never far away :). But thanks for noticing. How are you?
February 9th, 2006 at 4:30 pm“*****A USUAL, the Dems were a day late to WWII. Between FDR, who couldn’t or wouldn’t, believe the atrocities committed in the concentration camps, wouldn’t let the doomed ship, St. Louis land in the US carrying Jewish refugees, wouldn’t LEAD to help an ally until we were attacked – oh, yeah… that shows the “strength†(HA!!) of Dems. Add into the mix, the corrupt ol’ reprobate, Joe Kennedy’s take on Hitler….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 4:11 pm”
Oh sweetie, why must you always be such a partisan? You don’t even mention all of the republicans who tried to block our entry into WWII even after we were attacked by Japan. Poor silly partisan pumpkin, all you can do is hate, lie, slander, attack and smear those of the other political party – without recognizing we are your fellow americans. You and your party are guilty of much and often more of the same behaviors you accuse others of, and yet you just simply ignore all of those bad traits and focus on those people you disagree with as ‘evil’. How sad and pathetic it all seems when you post dearie. I’m sure you’re a marvelous person, but that never comes out in your posts. They’re always filled with partisan anger, misrepresentations, and usually flat out lies. And yet I do believe that somehow in that irrational and hysterical bit partisan brain of yours you believe these lies to be truth. And that’s the saddest part of all. How a smart person, can allow their emotions to make them so unsmart is really sad.
But I forgive you pumpkin. Clearly you aren’t in command of your reasoning centers, and that’s why you’d criticize Democrats, when Republicans like Prescott Bush actually funded Hitler, and Republican Senators tried to block our entry into the war even after attacks. Clearly your partisan blinders are the only thing that could explain such a silly and nonsense based rant. Poor pathetic partisan – I forgive you.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:32 pm“Okay RP you keep thinking that and the conservatives will keep winning elections. I am so hoping you guys will still be here in November. Not that far away. When the conservatives continue to control Congress what will be your excuse then?
Comment by Ben — February 9, 2006 @ 4:07 pm”
Oh sweetie, there you go again fixating on a partisan perspective. I’m less concerned about which party wins, than I am whether they govern honorably and based on the law, the values of the land, and decency towards their fellow human beings. You keep thinking everyone that is against a partisan is inherently a ‘democrat’, but that’s just silly partisan nonsense. But I forgive you, a partisan brain can’t help but be irrational and say silly things – your reasoning centers don’t function pumpkin. But I forgive you for your anger, hatred and partisan immorality – clearly you act that way because you don’t realize how silly it makes you look.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:35 pmSure these pukes want a congressional investigation. What better way, just before the mid-term elections, to whitewash the whole thing.
You are dealing with Karl Rove at every turn folks, not with a person who thinks rational thoughts. The man is a Nazi through and through. The pukes that are coming out are told to come out by Rove, do their investigation, whitewash the idiot president, and pass a law giving him every authority YOU DONT WANT HIM TO HAVE.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:37 pmSure these pukes want a congressional investigation. What better way, just before the mid-term elections, to whitewash the whole thing.
You are dealing with Karl Rove at every turn folks, not with a person who thinks rational thoughts. The man is a Nazi through and through. The pukes that are coming out are told to come out by Rove, do their investigation, whitewash the idiot president, and pass a law giving him every authority YOU DONT WANT HIM TO HAVE.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:37 pmJust a suggestion for my fellow posters out there.
I try my best to make sure I differentiate between “Republicans” and “conservatives.” If I’m talking about what politicans in Washington are doing, then I’m usually referring to Republicans. But when I’m talking about mindsets and political philosophies, I try to make sure I refer to conservatives. This is especially important when referring to history.
And the reason is one discussed on another thread. There was a time in this country when liberals were welcome in the Republican Party (not so much today, of course). Conservatives were there, too and possibly even in greater numbers, but there were liberals and moderates (even by today’s “moderate” standards). And since our side is the one that values Truth, we want to make sure that we don’t erroneously generalize and talk about what parties in the past did, when it was really the mindsets of the people involved that we refer to.
Forty years ago, the Democratic Party had a lot of conservatives in the south, and this part of the party wasn’t too happy about passing Civil Rights legislation. As former Speaker Newt Gingrich correctly said i his first speech as SPeaker, “It was the liberal wing of the Democratic Party that ended segregation.” He made that distinction because it was the conservative wing of the Democratic Party that fought it so hard. (Still a little bit today.)
Many of the things that we attribute to “Republicans” in general could more accurately be attributed to “conservatives”, and we shouldn’t give our political adversaries ammunition to shoot down our arguments. So I believe that we should try to make the distinctions where it is necessary in order to avoid being factually in error.
Like I said, it’s just a suggestion. Your freedoms of speech include the right to ignore this.
Peace on Earth.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:47 pmMark – you show what weak kneed wimps the Dems are – THANK YOU!!!! So you wouldn’t have wanted to prevent Pearl Harbor??? Pathetic….
February 9th, 2006 at 4:54 pmMighty, I think there are some previous threads you didn’t get the last word on.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:00 pmMA So you figure we should have nuked Japan before Pearl Harbour? Retarded….
February 9th, 2006 at 5:00 pmPresident Bush’s warrantless surveillance program.
What are Republicans going to say when there is a
“President Hillary Clinton” after they allow Bush to
continue with their spying without going to the FISA
Court.
Yes, we will have a Democratic President in 2008.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:16 pmGet ready Republicans.
#46 glad you read weak kneed into my response. If that is how you take it then that is how you take it. My response was to the fact that prior to december 2000 our nation was semi sane. Prior to december 2000 our nation believed in the rule of law, lawlessness was what those who are against us favor. Prior to december 2000 our nation was peaceful and prosperous, yep I’ll take that nation over what we have today anytime. I actually have served 7 years in the military…after I graduated from College. You see I put country before self, which I am sure you have done and always do…doubtful. I have a valid DD-214 to prove it too, doubt you do. But feel free to continue the party line and echo those talking points, you’ve got nothing else.
Oh and now that you know I am a vet please do the republican thing and attack me personally and denigrate my service. While you are at it please denigrate my brothers (airforce & Navy) my father (wwii) My Uncles (WWII and Korea), My name sake (WWI merchant Marine) My great Grandfather’s father (Civil War) My Great Great Grandparents on my paternal grandmothers side (both sides int he civil war) etc… you see my family and I have a very long history of military service and since it is the
party line to attack vets, I thought I could give you the total family heritage to malign.
Oh, and please do read yoru history. If you do you might find out that we did nto have the ability to do anything about the concentration camps. You see Htler had several million troops in Europe and we had to fight our way through them. Of course in the small minded world of the historically challenged the whole point of ignoring reality is to allow them better leverage to slam FDR because he is everything they hate.
And MA judging from the way you post I can conclude one thing and that is you hate America so much that you are more than willing to destroy it to have your political way, which is wrong.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:22 pm“Mark – you show what weak kneed wimps the Dems are – THANK YOU!!!! So you wouldn’t have wanted to prevent Pearl Harbor??? Pathetic….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 4:54 pm”
Oh sweetie, your partisan brain is causing you to say more and more silly and irrational off topic statements. Heck it’s sad when Boehner sounds rational compared to you ;)
But I forgive you for your anger, hatred, smears, attacks and general partisan tactics of lies. You can’t help yourself sweetie – a partisan brain is an unconscious brain. It’s all a bad dream pumpkin that you don’t want to wake up from and instead face reality. I can’t blame you, with all of the panic, hysteria and echo chamber nonsense that the partisan spin machine throws at you. I’m surprised you haven’t strung yourself up by now, considering how susceptible you seem to be to the partisan tactics. Poor pumpkin, you have my pity. So easily scared, and so rarely coherent.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:35 pmMighty Aphrodisiac,
Everytime you post here you make a fool of yourself. I’m amazed you keep coming back for more self abuse. This blog is open to everyone, but my preference would be that you please keep your fear and hate to yourself.
February 9th, 2006 at 5:53 pm“What you have to believe to be a Democrat….
1.) Religion is for stupid people – unless it’s “liberation theologyâ€. mighty aphrodite”
So smart people believe in talking donkeys, flat 8000 year old earths and the spelled out rights of slavery and childhood servitude? Yeah, you’ve convinced me sweetie that religious people are smart.
As for the rest of your hate speech pumpkin, I forgive you. The partisan brain can’t think, reason or have a rational discussion – and you prove that nicely. You work to demonize those that legitimately disagree with you, while acting every more demonic yourself. Poor thing, you’re so lost, so angry, so hateful, so selfish and self absorbed all while projecting those emotions to feed your partisan brian. I forgive you though, clearly you have no will power or ability to control your addiction to hate. Poor thing.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:07 pmJon Henke: Would you support an investigation to look into that question?
Rep. John A. Boehner: I would. I’d think it would be of interest of all Americans to get to the bottom of how does this happen? Under what authority? And what are the protections?
Judd doesn’t seem to get it. An investigation, while potentially injurious to national security, will probably vindicate the Bush administration in the long run. It will show that the NSA program was necessary, appropriate, and legal. The American people will see that, once again, the MSM and the Dems have put their partisan political aganda ahead of tghe national interest. And the GOP will easily retain power on Election Day 2006.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:12 pmMighty Aphrodite,
I see Unbelievable’s list of “What you have to believe to be a Republican” really got to you… see, when Unbelievable did it, it was funny. Your post comes across as -how to best put it?- a tad sore and bitter.
What happened? I thought you had a sense of humour?
February 9th, 2006 at 6:14 pm#55 BSR-in your dreams.
(I could say more, but it would fall on deaf ears. The whole post was just wrong in so many ways.)
February 9th, 2006 at 6:17 pm“Judd doesn’t seem to get it. An investigation, while potentially injurious to national security, will probably vindicate the Bush administration in the long run. It will show that the NSA program was necessary, appropriate, and legal. Blue State Red”
If this were true, and so simple to establish, then why do so many republicans resist an investigation? If you actually believed this were true, you and every other republican would readily call through.
“The American people will see that, once again, the MSM and the Dems have put their partisan political aganda ahead of tghe national interest. And the GOP will easily retain power on Election Day 2006.
Comment by Blue State Red — February 9, 2006 @ 6:12 pm “
Oh sweetie, the MSM is a republican tool, not a democratic one – how sad that your partisan brain can’t live in reality. And considering that your sole interest appears to be ‘elections’ instead of the law, and the adherence to it by politicians – you have my pity child. Poor thing, you don’t even recognize what it means to be an american, you’re so busy being a republican partisan. I pity you pumpkin.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:23 pmI see Unbelievable’s list of “What you have to believe to be a Republican†really got to you… see, when Unbelievable did it, it was funny. Your post comes across as -how to best put it?- a tad sore and bitter.
What happened? I thought you had a sense of humour?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 9, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
Gregor – she hates women, including herself… it’s the only way she can belong to her religion (which considers women as property), and her party (which considers women as baby ovens and maid servants).
February 9th, 2006 at 6:35 pm9.) Teachers and professors know more than parents.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
Just a coincidence that a majority of the best parents I know are teachers, and vice versa???
February 9th, 2006 at 6:39 pmGuess he is up for re-election this Fall. So are the Republicans run from Bush like rats from water? Somethings up. Hummm…must be some blackmail going on. I think Abramoff’s got something on Bush and quite a few others. Stay tuned! Could be Fritzmas all over.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:43 pmunbelievable,
The anti-intellectual religious types always hate the teachers and professors. They can’t help themselves – those people make them feel inferior, poor things. But considering that they believe in talking donkeys and creationism – who wouldn’t think they’re a little stupid. But as someone who understands that they aren’t stupid, they’re just brainwashed I feel sorry for the insecure mighty aphrodite types. Everything she posted was a fear of someone, some idea, some group or something. Poor thing appears to wallow in fear. I forgive you mighty aphrodite – and if your brain ever returns to normal you should forgive yourself. You didn’t mean to say all of those mean, hateful and inaccurate things I’m sure.
Don’t be scared mighty aphrodite, the adults are here to protect you pumpkin.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:43 pmUnbelievable,
MA must hate herself. She very often has wink & nod exchanges with IRI -who has said women shouldn’t vote.
I don’t know any sane, self-respecting woman who would be friendly with a KKKer like him.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:44 pmOf course teachers and professors know more than parents. They studied and learned things in order to become teachers and professors. They have an open mind and like to use it to learn new things. So if you have a parent that constantly denigrates a group of people in front if his or her children, what’s wrong with an educated person informing the kid that those attitudes were based on erroneous thinking and should be viewed as suspect? I know I’m glad I didn’t listen to my father growing up. He had, what I later learned, were a lot of bigoted attitudes. He was wrong about people.
There are times (thankfully not a lot of them) when a parent is the person a child should avoid the most and listen to the least. Not most of the time, but some of the time.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:52 pm#11
Right on – great post. I agree with everything you said.
Outsource Santorum
Jesus was a liberal persecuted by conservatives.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:56 pm#53 – “please keep your fear and hate to yourself.”
Comment by Willy — February 9, 2006 @ 5:53 pm
#54 – “As for the rest of your hate speech pumpkin,….”
Comment by RightSnap
From the Radical Democrats Dictionary:
fear and hate, (fe’er, haat) nouns, often used to describe opposing viewpoints, (generally those of ignorant conservatives, capitalists) when no other “argument” will suffice.
humor (alt. sp. humour)- stories, anecdotes, etc. that bring a smile or laugh to the listener – found to be practically extinct in true Radicals.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:17 pm“humor (alt. sp. humour)- stories, anecdotes, etc. that bring a smile or laugh to the listener – found to be practically extinct in true Radicals.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 7:17 pm”
That would explain why nothing you write is ever funny sweetie. But I forgive you pumpkin. All of that hate and rage at anyone who disagrees with your partisan rhetoric. I mean for interest you take a disagreement as someone being anti-capitalist? I mean not only is that an irrational and hysterical leap of faith – it defies any reason, rational thought processes or basic grasps of reality pumpkin. But as a partisan you’re always going to be unable to see yourself. By the way, are related to Jeffrey Shaw? Because you sound just like him pumpkin – he’s another lost looney of the partisan sort. But you know in your unconscious state, you all sound like PJ ORourke after a while. Dull, witless and delusionally attached to the fantasy that you’re somehow ‘funny’ when you say silly radical nonsense. I forgive you pumpkin, a disabled brain makes people behave like children – we can’t expect more from you.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:27 pmWayne – I did meet one or two open minded professors in college and law school – the vast majority, however, were liberal bigots. Many were disrepectful of opposing viewpoints resulting in an autocratic atmosphere. I did have one WONDERFUL professor, however, who once said to me, “Aphrodite, you and I don’t even agree on the shade of blue of the sky, but it is fun to argue with you.” But John Dewey, father of modern educational theory, worked very hard to undermine parental authority and religious beliefs of children.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:28 pmOoopsie, typo there goddess – I mean do you know ‘Jeffrey Shawn’ AKA RiteWinger. Or maybe you are him? You write virtually identically, and share the same silly radical viewpoints. Maybe that’s the mythical husband you always talk about?
February 9th, 2006 at 7:31 pm“Wayne – I did meet one or two open minded professors in college and law school – the vast majority, however, were liberal bigots. Many were disrepectful of opposing viewpoints resulting in an autocratic atmosphere. mighty aphrodite”
But sweetie, if you like opposing viewpoints, why do you reject them when others voice them? For someone who claims to value open mindedness, you’re one of the most closed minded partisans around. But I forgive your hypocrisy sweetie – maybe you were just more open minded when you were young.
“I did have one WONDERFUL professor, however, who once said to me, “Aphrodite, you and I don’t even agree on the shade of blue of the sky, but it is fun to argue with you.†But John Dewey, father of modern educational theory, worked very hard to undermine parental authority and religious beliefs of children.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 7:28 pm”
So you believe we should teach children that the earth is flat, and that donkeys can talk? Well of course you do pumpkin.
As for the authority of parents – do you mean the rights to beat the silly? Because that’s what most partisans mean when they say what you’ve said. I’m sure you don’t beat your kids silly, but are you saying you reserve that right?
February 9th, 2006 at 7:34 pmmighty aphrodite demonstrates the outcome of teaching children religion – I think the answer is clear that this is a bad policy ;)
February 9th, 2006 at 7:36 pmEverything she posted was a fear of someone, some idea, some group or something. Poor thing appears to wallow in fear.
Comment by RightPunch — February 9, 2006 @ 6:43 pm
I just started reading the book “The Culture of Fear”, and it’s so dead on with what you said. The right mongers fear as fast as they can dream it up. Anything and everything is to be feared and loathed… What a miserable way to live. I pity them as well.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:39 pmDidn’t MA state in a post that she was a progressive before she married “Mr Right” and “learned the error of her ways”, How early did she get married ? Before College? Funny her version of her life is starting to sound like the white houses version of bush’s life.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:41 pmunbelievable,
It’s a collective insanity brought on by a partisan brain drug induced addiction. Poor things are as addicted to partisan fear, as bush was to blow and beer. Pity is the correct response.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:41 pmClif,
I would hate to think that a partisan would be so sad and pathetic as to create a false personality in order to spread partisan rhetoric. But I’m sure the poor creature would find a way to get a drug high out of that act as well. Poor thing, I feel so sorry for her.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:43 pmunbelievable, did you notice that mighty aphrodite wrote “Women can kill their offspring as a matter of convenience”
I’ve never known a woman to utter a phrase like this and not use ‘our’ offspring. Don’t you find this strange? It makes me think that mighty aphrodite might be this jeffrey shawn guy. He’s a bigtime rightwing troll, very creepy, and he just oozes pedophile/freak. It would explain the sometimes deranged and incoherent posts.
If I’ve mispegged you mighty I’m sorry, but you are a little unhinged most of the time – which would cause a rational person to think that maybe you’re just a fabricated entity.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:52 pmMA must hate herself. She very often has wink & nod exchanges with IRI -who has said women shouldn’t vote.
I don’t know any sane, self-respecting woman who would be friendly with a KKKer like him.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 9, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
Maybe. I think he’s the guy behind the curtain of the Mighty and Powerful Oz. Simply a fictional character portaying someone to guarantee repulsion, so that way he isn’t rejected for being his real self (kind of how some people will intentionally gain weight to avoid rejection, and have an excuse for being lonely). He doesn’t really believe that women shouldn’t vote. It’s a charade. Based on fear… like everything else that the neo-conservative religious right portrays. If you read between his lines, he gives himself away occasionally as someone who really is sensitive but has been burned by it, so he talks tough. I’ll even bet that he will say something completely rude to try to invalidate what I’m saying. But, it’s hard to maintain that kind of front all the time… and he occasionally slips up.
As for Afro, I think she’s afraid of dying, because she’s aging, and has become bitter, so she comes in here to distract herself by pointing out all of our “flaws” instead. The making herself feel better by putting other people down syndrome. I don’t take her seriously.
Giacomo, wherever he is, is struggling with the unravelling of his own conservative ideology, I think. I see it because I lived through it. It’s hard. And I’m pretty aggressive with him because I think that’s why he’s here. To confront some tough answers to tough questions.
I could be completely off base, but those are just my observations of the regular trolls. Too many years reading psychology textbooks to try to resolve my own issues, I suppose… underneath we are all human and all fragile. Some handle it better than others, it seems… :)
February 9th, 2006 at 7:54 pmUnbelievable,
All I can say is that the regular, nasty trolls seem to come here to unload their anger and frustrations. I don’t understand why they would come back time and again to abuse and be abused.
You could be right about I-RIGHT-I. But I am very happy I do not live in Texas.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:03 pmAll I can say is that the regular, nasty trolls seem to come here to unload their anger and frustrations. I don’t understand why they would come back time and again to abuse and be abused.
I think it’s probably a combination of low self-esteem (they think that they don’t deserve better), their religion which is very humiliating, and their need to tryto heal their codependent issues by trying to fix others (I read somewhere that we extrenally try to resolve our inner conflicts).
You could be right about I-RIGHT-I. But I am very happy I do not live in Texas.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 9, 2006 @ 8:03 pm
I drove across Texas last year – the long part. It was dusty, hot, and barren – in April. The traffic in Houston was a nightmare, and on my way out of the state, a psychotic woman tried to run me off the road for not passing a truck fast enough for her liking. I was finally able to end the ordeal by squeezing between two large trucks, and taking the next exit, so she couldn’t change lanes and follow me. Was very happy to see Louisiana after that… :)
February 9th, 2006 at 8:14 pmunbelievable, did you notice that mighty aphrodite wrote “Women can kill their offspring as a matter of convenienceâ€
I’ve never known a woman to utter a phrase like this and not use ‘our’ offspring. Don’t you find this strange?
Comment by RightPunch — February 9, 2006 @ 7:52 pm
Good catch, I didn’t notice that… But you are right – people usually use we when they are being gender specific. Hmmm… You know, she seems awfully masculine at times. I thought it was menopause falring up, but maybe she’s really a he… would explain a lot. I think you’re on to something.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:19 pm#50 – Mark – Thank you for your service. Appearing redundant, I, too am a veteran as is my husband, father, three uncles, paternal grandfather, numerous cousins, and my active duty fighter pilot brother. We have proudly of served our country and our fellow citizens in three centuries. You appear new here soI will try to be patient with you – I might not be successful as you appear extremely immature …but I may have to chalk that up to a poor public school education, absent father, etc.
One thing you should note, Mark Newbie, is my repeatedly stated respect for many Democrat Presidents before and after the sniveling Jimmy Carter. Presidents, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Clinton appeared to do the best they could to protect our national security, with the information they had.
As for the radical wing that has taken over the Dems, they always remind me of a sorry bunch of pi$$ed off losers. But maybe that was just a first impression….
February 9th, 2006 at 8:21 pmReport these guys to Karl Rove? I don’t think that’s necessary. I think they’re on the same page – a ‘limited modified’ congressional investigation. Ask them what they think about appointing a Fitz-style special investigator.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:21 pm“As for the radical wing that has taken over the Dems, they always remind me of a sorry bunch of pi$$ed off losers. But maybe that was just a first impression….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 8:21 pm”
Oh sweetie, you say the silliest nonsense. The radical wing of the democratic party left for LaRouche and the Greens long ago. I know you’re old and all, and probably your memory is as faulty as your rhetoric is – but that’s just silly sweetie. But I forgive you. See, only a radical rightwing partisan would think that the Democrats of today are radical at all. Heck, modern Democrats are right of center, and more like Eisenhower than any republican in recent history. Heck, Ike would think you and the rest of the republicans were lunatics – and rightly so.
So I forgive you for posting yet another nonsensical post – and to think that you actually made sense there for one day last month. Too bad that was such a fleeting moment – oh well.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:25 pm“As for the radical wing that has taken over the Dems, they always remind me of a sorry bunch of pi$$ed off losers. But maybe that was just a first impression….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 8:21 pm”
No sweetie, it wasn’t a first impression, it was a projection. Just another trick of that partisan brain of yours pumpkin. It makes sure you don’t have to face reality, so it just respins all of the negative facts that implicate you into slander that attacks others. It’s how the partisan, the inept, the fearful and the hateful respond to the world when it disagrees with them.
But don’t worry mighty, I love you, and your old partisan lard butt – even if you don’t ;)
February 9th, 2006 at 8:30 pm#80unbelievable, did you notice that mighty aphrodite wrote “Women can kill their offspring as a matter of convenienceâ€
I’ve never known a woman to utter a phrase like this and not use ‘our’ offspring. Don’t you find this strange?”
Comment by RightPunch — February 9, 2006 @ 7:52 pm
****Republican women use the term “our” children, offspring etc. But as the posting you are referring to discusses what is necessary to believe if you are a Democrat, you have, sadly, not been able to keep up. Pro-”choice” Prog womyn will refer to the pre-born as “my” zygote, fetus, baby, problem, offspring, spawn, as long as womyn only (!) are able to carry a child to term. Remember, only womyn’s “feelings” are important when it comes to anything maternal.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:31 pmSpeaking of projection, you are SO into age, fitness and beauty, you must be one UUUUGGGGLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY it/person. Pitiful….
February 9th, 2006 at 8:37 pmI know I’m glad I didn’t listen to my father growing up. He had, what I later learned, were a lot of bigoted attitudes. He was wrong about people.
There are times (thankfully not a lot of them) when a parent is the person a child should avoid the most and listen to the least. Not most of the time, but some of the time.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — February 9, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
My father, as a child, was color blind, like all children are. It wasn’t until his racist uncle ridiculed and beat him for playing kick the can with a boy of the wrong color, that his hate was indocrinated. He was taught to hate everyone unlike him. Fortunately, like you, I chose not to be a nut off the tree, so to speak :). And I too pity those who hate what they don’t know. There are many people in my life who make me a better person for knowing them, and they are not like me at all…
February 9th, 2006 at 8:38 pmmighty aphrodite,
I’m not buying it. I think you slipped up pumpkin. And I’ve never seen a woman use womyn in that kind of derogatory manner. For someone that pretends to be a woman, I’m not seeing anything that makes that a credible thing to believe pumpkin. And progressives never dismiss the feelings of women, but republican men do – so from where I sit you’re just digging a deeper hole sweetie. But then again, maybe you’re one of those feminist republicans who believe that you aren’t really a women, but a womyn? I don’t know – it just seems strange pumpkin. I’m not sold.
And you didn’t answer my question? Are you Jeffrey Shawn? Swear on the bible pumpkin? See I don’t value that, but if you’re actually religious I bet you do?
February 9th, 2006 at 8:40 pm#70 – RyANNE/RightSlap – you couldn’t argue your way out of a paper bag. You assume, speculate and infer – in short you’re an idiotis.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:41 pm“Speaking of projection, you are SO into age, fitness and beauty, you must be one UUUUGGGGLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY it/person. Pitiful….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 8:37 pm”
Oh sweetie, you project how you think and see the world because you’re a partisan. How else can you process the world and your place in it pumpkin. By your response and projection on this – you’ve shown yourself and your fears. I forgive you for your insecurities sweetie. I agree it is pitiful how our society judges, especially as people like yourself grow older and flabbier. It must be awful to fear for your youth, safety and soul all at once. And I’m sorry it’s so painful for you pumpkin. It’s OK, not everyone is shallow, and I’m sure your husband still loves you with your sags and all.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:43 pm#76 – RyANNe – you are too weird for words – I’ll not waste more on you…
February 9th, 2006 at 8:43 pm“#70 – RyANNE/RightSlap – you couldn’t argue your way out of a paper bag. You assume, speculate and infer – in short you’re an idiotis.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 8:41 pm”
Oh pumpkin, most people speculate – you included. You just did a massive speculation on ‘how democrats think’, and I found that quite amusing. And now as a typical partisan you accuse others of your behavior.
But I forgive you pumpkin, the partisan is addicted to false reality.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:44 pm“#76 – RyANNe – you are too weird for words – I’ll not waste more on you…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 9, 2006 @ 8:43 pm”
I was 76 pumpkin, and I’m not feeling the nickname. Why do you insist on calling me a nickname every time? I show you the respect of calling you by the name you choose – and all you can do is hate, insult and slur my name or call me other names. As for wierd, do you ever read your own posts? Sweetie, only a partisan brain on partisan brain drugs would see your writing as anything but wierd. But being that you’re an addict, I’m not surprised you can’t see yourself.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:46 pmAnd mighty aphrodite,
Since you refuse to answer my question of your identity on the bible – I’ll take it as a yes that you are Jeffrey Shawn. Shall I point them to your online photos? They’re quite amusing pumpkin.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:48 pmSensenbrenner is not serious about finding facts — his questions are riddled with flawed assumptions, all 51 of them: [ Click ] Applying that approach to the “big scary story about LA” produces the same result: There’s nothing there to believe: [ Click ] Neither Congress nor the Executive are serious about the Constitution or checks and balances. It’s time for the states to act: Proclamations demanding the House take action. They cannot bury this in committee, but are forced to commit: Whether they are for or against the Constitution. Then the voters will have nine months to find new leaders: [ Click ] This crew has failed.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:54 pmunbelievable,
Does this sound like mighty aphrodite to you? Shawn posted it on another blog.
“…think taxation is a way to prosperity, and that prosperity should be subject to taxation. Hard work should be punished, and that laziness and welfare should be applauded.”
He ranted about gay pedophiles in the previous paragraph, just like mighty aphrodite did. I’m sorry, but that’s a little too coincidental for me not to think that we have the little boy Jeffrey here to play. Poor thing, must have gotten tired of playing around as himself.
February 9th, 2006 at 8:56 pmGregor, unbelievable.
In case you’re curious what a rightwing partisan who posts hate emails look like – just go here. I warn you though, it’s a pretty sad sight. Remember to have pity!
http://townhall.meetup.com/143/member/2210128/
February 9th, 2006 at 8:59 pmAnd just so people know, rightwinger AKA mighty aphrodite is one of the ‘republicanoperative.com’ special operators. Me thinks I doest smell a republican partisan political propaganda operation afoot. Can republican partisans be THAT desperate?
And just like the other pet topics of our poor rightwinger, child discipline seems to be another. Here’s another famous Jeffrey/mighty quote ” Lets face it…kids are blunt..but severe beatings can cure that…” or this ” the solution to all this is so simple its stupid..read the constitution..realize, how much the govt, is disregarding the whole thing..we then as the people, proceed to crack political…” Or this “Are you assuming that because I think eco terrorists should be shot on site, that I condone abortion doctors getting blown up?…If you don’t like my way of thinking, and you have never dealt first hand with eco terrorists, like I have, then do not read my posts….”
Anyone else notice the little “…” very mighty aphrodite style don’t you think?
I think you’ve been caught Jeffrey – care to explain yourself, or would you prefer to lie under the mask of being a moral religious person?
Well Jeffrey, I forgive you. Poor thing, it must be awful to be so partisan, so obsessed that you’d actually pretend to be a woman in order to spread your rhetoric. Poor thing.
February 9th, 2006 at 9:43 pmDoes this sound like mighty aphrodite to you? Shawn posted it on another blog.
“…think taxation is a way to prosperity, and that prosperity should be subject to taxation. Hard work should be punished, and that laziness and welfare should be applauded.â€
Comment by RightPunch — February 9, 2006 @ 8:56 pm
Scary how much so! I will also check out your link. Am having issues with my computer locking up on TP. Must be that new CIA spy ware…
February 9th, 2006 at 10:11 pmMaybe the investigation will go nowhere. However, we must take heart in the present and should really write these congress-persons, encouraging their current initiative. Helping to bring Republicans to the moderate side is not a bad thing. Have to look for some silver lining so as to keep the chin up over the next three years or so…and if the people are fooled again, we’ll deal with it.
Please do ignore the Impotent Hideous Dog (alias=guess who?)
February 9th, 2006 at 10:22 pm#52
Thats a pretty lame comeback.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:16 pmMighty,
As a longtime child and family counselor, and as many others in my field put it, 90% of Americans are dysfunctional. No research, just our observations. Yes I am dysfunctional too. I also have observed that there are no instructions on how to be a parent, we give instructions on how to drive a car, but never on how to parent. Far too many parents are terrible at it. Especially the ones from your generation, all about using shame, and guilt as parenting tools. People who prefer physical force to solve problems, like the bully on the block, have low self-esteems, like IRI, and most of your party does.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:25 pmAs to Rep. Sensenbrenner, and his support for an investigation into Bush & Co.’s “Festival of Illegal Actions”, well if he doesn’t like the way it’s going, he can just do what he did the last time. Break House rules, and stop the hearing, shut off the lights, and take his gavel and stomp out n a tizzy. His “looms” would be in a noticeable “Frist”. EEEEWWWWWWWW!!!! Sorry, all!
I also find it funny how the “Righties” seem to love to wallow in the fearful feelings they continue to instill into the American people. Funny how they never speak of a future free of fear. But just making sure they keep the fear alive. Time for them to throw another log on the fire.
February 10th, 2006 at 12:10 amRepublicans in the Congress just want a a farce investigation of the NSA Spygate Scandal, and a slap on the wrist for Dubya, but he willfully violated the FISA laws so he must resign or be impeached!
February 10th, 2006 at 12:36 am
February 10th, 2006 at 1:33 am‘Boner’ Stabone
There are many people in my life who make me a better person for knowing them, and they are not like me at all…
Comment by unbelievable — February 9, 2006 @ 8:38 pm
I like that. Nicely put. I find the same thing is true for me although sometimes, it’s because they are serve as a warning, not as a role model.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:15 amSo MA I love to talk military. What Branch were you and your husband? What was your MOS? Where was your permanent duty station? Where did you take basic? When did you serve? Me? I was in the cavalry (3rd cav) as a scout (19D) main duty station was Ft Bliss and basic/AIT was at Knox. Also served in the Custer Division for a while as an instructor.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:22 amFunny I have thought for a while that most of what MA says is full of it. I don’t for one minute believe that he/she went to law school, and maybe not college at all either. I’ve often questioned the claim of military service and in the past have had questions about his/her gender and was not quite sure. In general I have given him/her the beneffit of the doubt, now this whole thread is dedicated to that very discussion. Funny how that works out.
Even funnier if MA really is a guy and has posted multiple times about having a husband. How would the radical right like to read about that?
February 10th, 2006 at 10:05 amFar too many parents are terrible at it. Especially the ones from your generation, all about using shame, and guilt as parenting tools. People who prefer physical force to solve problems, like the bully on the block, have low self-esteems, like IRI, and most of your party does.
Comment by For Truth — February 9, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
For Truth,
I’m dysfunctional also :)… And have spent many years laboring to over come it (had conservative, christian parents who believed in spanking and ridicule). It’s why I changed careers and went into teaching. Hoped I could help some of these kids with their self-esteem, through positive reinforcement and self-appreciation. There are some students with serious issues. In every case, just as you pointed out, their parents are the source. Every single one. It’s heartbreaking…
Glad you’re out there helping to break the cycle. I wish we could make parents take parenting classes… Might make a a positive impact.
February 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmCongratulations!!! You’re all dysfunctional!!!! Your parents were horrible! They potty-trained you too early! They didn’t breast feed you long enough! They took you to church or synagogue!!! I learned along time ago that most parents do the best job they can – irresponsible “children” are still busy with the blame game and finger pointing. Usually the middle finger…
February 10th, 2006 at 2:11 pmComapsionate conservatism at it’s best! I have always been confused about you because you have been referred to as being both male and female previoulsy. WHo am I to know for sure?
So what about those military questions?
February 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmirresponsible “children†are still busy with the blame game and finger pointing. Usually the middle finger…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 10, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
And once again, as usual, she demonstrates the prime example of which we speak…
February 10th, 2006 at 4:17 pmDear Mark (or, if you prefer, E1 or E8) – I don’t believe you were ever served in the military – unless you were looking at the service from a “Job Corps” point of view. But let me say that before I left the military I had an occasion to defend several with similar levels of immaturity as you. They were usually guilty of being drunk AND stupid.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:26 pmWhen a president’s own party is reprimanding him so the nation knows just how corrupt he is it’s time for that president to go!
February 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pmmighty aphrodite AKA Jeffrey Shawn AKA RiteWinger,
The little rant on children you posted is almost identical to one that you put up as RiteWinger during the Kerry election – when you were working for the GOP propaganda blogs. You really should get some new material, the stuff you post is more stale than pharoah’s tomb supplies.
But I forgive you, creativity must be hard when all you have to work with is a partisan brain.
February 10th, 2006 at 7:18 pmMark,
Mighty Aphrodite wasn’t in the military – here he is.
http://townhall.meetup.com/143/member/2210128/
He’s another partisan advocate who works for the GOP. The poor thing is just another lost soul who hates, fears and lies for the fun of it. Poor thing.
February 10th, 2006 at 7:21 pmCongrats MA. I Was actually and E-6 served in B troop 1st of the third in Ft Bliss Texas. They have since moved to Ft Carson Colorado. I was there when the Sergent York Blew up the out house and when the Drill instructor blew up his charges by putting an RPG-2 Rocket on an RPG-7 launcher. We had several people die in training accidents including one who flipped a PC and crushed himself. Then there were the suicides etc… usuall military stuff. Went to Germany for a time too. Drew equipment in Permasance (sp?) for reforger 83. Also served with the Custer Division as a scout instructor for a few years. Basic and AIT at Knox. My squadron CO in the 3rd was the sone of the man whom Holder Hall at Knox was named for. Marched up and down agony and misery and played on the obsticle course from stripes, it is much smaller than in the movie. Some of what i put down there would not be known by the general public. But of course as a stud with such a storied military tradition yourself, this is probably pretty boring and right about now you should begin your denigrating swiftboating of me. Because I know you people love veterans.
Is it just me or does anyone else here picture MA writing his/her back story and saying that he was in the military as an officer of course and picture him/her saying officer of course like Neidermeyer in Animal house? What a knob.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:11 pmYou know if that is truely him/her in those photos, then I would not doubt that he was telling the truth when talking about having a husband.
February 10th, 2006 at 9:12 pmPssst….Be careful Mark….I find that people who seem obsessed with cross dressers and drag queens….often are. Poor things!!!!!…..
February 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmMA. Gotcha. Thanks for the warning about IRI.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:01 amHere is an interesting article on the Sallie Mae thing:
Competition Is Good, Except When It Comes to Our Friends
Killing competition for student loans hurts students and raises federal deficit
By Ken Moser
February 13, 2006
From the (Pennsylvania) Times News.
Economist Adam Smith was not a proponent of free markets, anymore than Isaac Newton was a proponent of gravity. Both of these groundbreaking scientists simply told us about these seminal forces, and left us to figure out we would be pretty stupid to ignore them.
If Adam Smith were here today and looked around the world, he would be happy to know about the power of this theory: Free markets create free people. Free people create prosperity. Pretty simple. And because it is practiced in the United States more than anywhere else in the world, it cannot be a coincidence that we are also the freest and most prosperous nation in the world.
Reliance on free markets is not a partisan issue, but the fact is, Republicans are more sympathetic to the teachings of Adam Smith than Democrats are.
That is why a recent Republican move to quash competition for student loan refinancing is so puzzling and why believers in the benefits of free markets who know about this action are so upset.
Republican legislation to kill competition for the 30 million people who hold student loans did not get that much attention. Which is hardly a surprise since it happened during the Holiday season on a Sunday morning at 3 a.m.
Most people were focused on how Congress raised interest rates on these federally guaranteed loans. But this action to restrict competition is potentially more far reaching, and more damaging to students and to efforts to reduce the federal budget deficit. It happened two ways: First, Congress continued a law called the Single Holder Rule, which says that once you have your student loans from one company, you cannot change companies. Second, once your refinance them once, you cannot do it again, no matter if a different company offers better rates, longer terms or better service.
Earlier versions of the law outlawed the Single Holder Rule, but in the wee, dark hours of that cold December morning that provision mysteriously disappeared. And along with it, any hope of competition, better rates, and better service for the 30 million student loan holders.
Imagine if someone tried to get away with that in the home mortgage market. They would either go out of business, or go to jail for price fixing or both. Then Congress went one step further. Led by Congressman John Boehner, then head of the House Education Committee, Congress took the single most anti-competitive provision in all of American law since the enactment of wage and price controls in the early 70’s, and made it worse. They effectively banned anyone from locking in low rates for longer terms.
The people at the largest student lender, Sallie Mae, were ecstatic. They beat their competition, not in the marketplace, but in the lobbying place. Sallie Mae used to be a quasi-governmental agency, issuing the bonds that guarantee the student loans. Then a few years ago, their chief executive figured out that if he could get rid of its to the federal government, but keep all the rules that banned others from competing with it, that company would have a license to print money.
This what the experts say is the way it has turned out, with Fortune Magazine calling Sallie Mae the second most profitable company in America. Its chief executive alone has received salary and bonuses of more than $200 million over the last five years!
Adam Smith did not have a problem with profits. Just the opposite: They are a signal for more competition and lower prices. But Smith warned that when government creates barriers to competition, monopolistic profits would result and consumers would lose. What we have here today in the market for student loan refinancing is a gross monopoly. Columnist Dick Morris calls the anti-refinancing scheme an “obnoxious rip-off.” Terry Savage, the financial columnist of TheStreet.com, says there is “no way” borrowers should support this plan. The New York Times calls it “Robbing Joe College to Pay Sallie Mae,” the country’s largest student loan provider. The Times Union of New York calls plans to outlaw refinancing a “student loan shame.”
Recently Fortune magazine documented how the largest student loan lender, Sallie Mae, depends on Boehner to protect them from competition to ensure their record results. The Chronicle of Higher Education said the legislation is designed to “force (Sallie Mae’s competitors) out of the market.
With all the talk about reforms in Congress to deal with the influence of lobbyists, no better example of this need could be cited than here. You see Congressman Boehner has been the single largest recipient of donation from Sallie Mae. He has received over $100,000! What a shame that he sold out college students so cheap.
Using government to quash competition was a trick Adam Smith was well familiar with. So he would not be surprised that Sallie Mae has unleashed an army of lobbyists to put its competition out of business. He would be surprised, however, that we let them get away with it.
Ken Moser is Chair of the Adam Smith of California society. kenjmoser@abac.com
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