ONLINE POLL: 68% Find Jack Abramoff More Credible Than George Bush
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ONLINE POLL: 68% Find Jack Abramoff More Credible Than George Bush
George Bush says he doesn’t know Jack Abramoff. In an email, Jack Abramoff said the two met “nearly a dozen times,” shared jokes and talked about his family.
America Online is taking a poll: “Whose account of Bush and Abramoff’s ties seems more believable?” Over 100,000 people have voted. Here are the results so far:
Go vote. (HT: McManus/LA)
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Hey, I believe that Bush doesn't know Jack...
I'm convinced of it...
He probably does know Abramoff though.
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 3:56 pmGossipy. I voted though!
February 10th, 2006 at 3:57 pmwow...George less believable that Jack? ouch...a few more points will be lost in the presidential popularity polls.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:00 pmSo, a convicted felon has greater credibility than the president of the united states. Grrrrreeeaaaatttt.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:00 pmAn indicted lobbyist is deemed more trustworthy than the President of the United States. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:02 pmThis hasn't got anything to do with this thread but it's more interesting. Who cares if Bush remembers Jack or knows Jack? I know I don't.
TODAY'S BIBLE LESSON
Cocky rap star KANYE WEST is calling for a revised edition of THE BIBLE, because he thinks he should be a character in it.
The JESUS WALKS hitmaker, who picked up three Grammy Awards last night (08FEB06), feels sure he'd be "a griot" (West African storyteller) in a modern Bible.
He says, "I bring up historical subjects in a way that makes kids want to learn about them. I'm an inspirational speaker.
"I changed the sound of music more than one time... For all those reasons, I'd be a part of the Bible. I'm definitely in the history books already."
This is what happens when you give gutter snipes too much money. Somebody should break it to the guy that the Bible doesn't need him as there's already a talking ass featured.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:05 pmI'm still amazed at how a president who had been caught in such a variety of lies is still in power. I hope you guys succeed in taking your country back and hold this present corrupt administration accountable.
Dubya is such a bad liar.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#6. You put up a post about Kanye West here? That is something you care about? What the hell? Go away!
February 10th, 2006 at 4:11 pmWhat happens when ignorant lazy WASP's steal their money? The Bush Crime Family. Kanye can say what he wants, doesn't effect me.I wish I could say the same about Bush.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:11 pmOuch .........
By a 3:1 margin people believe a soon to be convicted felon over the sitting President of the United States.......
not good Georgie....not good........
February 10th, 2006 at 4:12 pm:) So a guy dressed like Al Capone is more trust worthy than the president... That is great.
Bono is Brian Peppers!
February 10th, 2006 at 4:14 pmHey IRI,
Doesn't Georgie boy have a messianic complex as well? Seems very similar. I think it happens when you give some people money and power. Delusions of granduer anyone?
t-mac
February 10th, 2006 at 4:15 pmthat's just sad.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:15 pmPresidential credibility meter . . . pegged at zero.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:16 pmResults are a little surprising, but seriously who cares about an AOL poll?
OMGHI2U! A/S/L?
February 10th, 2006 at 4:18 pmCAMBRIDGE, Md. The source of the latest leak from the Bush administration is: President Bush himself.
Thanks to an error by a White House technician, the sound of what were supposed to be private remarks to G-O-P House members was relayed to the White House press corps.
Bush made a brief public speech to lawmakers at their retreat on Maryland's Eastern Shore. He then shooed out reporters and photographers, saying, "I support the free press, let's just get 'em out of the room."
Once they were gone, Bush -- not realizing he was still audible -- said, "I expect this conversation we're about to have to stay in the room." He added, "I know that's impossible in Washington."
Bush then spoke for roughly two minutes on the war on terror and his warrantless eavesdropping program before the outside feed was switched off. On the surveillance, he repeated earlier assertions he'd cleared the program with top government lawyers.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:18 pmI find my shoe more credible than George Bush...
February 10th, 2006 at 4:19 pmPaul Pillar quit the CIA for the sole purpose of speaking out against the Bush White House.
He's on CNN now.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:20 pmwhat can ya say....
February 10th, 2006 at 4:20 pmheckuva job George?
At the moment, if George Bush told me that the sun rose in the East, I would ask for two independent, trustworthy witnesses. I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth, including "is".
February 10th, 2006 at 4:21 pmI don't mean to be a nitpick but I believe it is America Online, not American Online.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:21 pmNot hard understand thsi poll when Peeping George routinely says things like this:
"We'll continue to work with the folks down there. But I want to remind the people in that part of the world, 85 billion dollars is a lot."
George Bush
(And by "that part of the world" he means the U.S. Gulf Coast, White House, Jan. 26, 2006)
A lot for poor people, that is. If you were, oh say, the rich elitists of Congress, you could get it for oh, I don't know, a bridge to nowhere, for instance...
February 10th, 2006 at 4:26 pmThese are too priceless not to post a few more, you know, to emphasize the point...
"As you can probably see I was injured myself, not here at the hospital but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won."
-- Statement offered in the presence of servicemen and women wounded in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan (rather than by brush on Dubya's ranch), Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006
"Wow, Brazil is big."
-- Dubya's reaction upon being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. You almost get the feeling that Dubya just learned this fact. Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
"They wear boots in other places."
-- Dubya exhibiting vast knowledge of the customs and cultures outside of Texas, Barbara Walters interview, Dec. 4, 2001
DUBYA: So what state is Wales in?
February 10th, 2006 at 4:29 pmCHURCH: It's a separate country next to England.
DUBYA: Oh, okay.
-- Exchange between Dubya and Welsh teenage singing sensation Charlotte Church, as reported in MSNBC, Oct. 31, 2001
it just goes to show that people appreciate a person who's willing to cooperate with federal investigations.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:30 pmNot hard understand thsi poll when Peeping George
But apparently it is hard to understand me.... Meant to say "Not hard to understand this poll.."
February 10th, 2006 at 4:31 pmGeorge W. Bush=No One Left To Lie To.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
-GSD
February 10th, 2006 at 4:39 pmThis is what happens when you give gutter snipes too much money. Somebody should break it to the guy that the Bible doesn’t need him as there’s already a talking ass featured.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 10, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
indeed it has happened. its gone. IRI has left the building.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:40 pmGeorge's words are coming true, except the American voters are not going to be fooled again!
February 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
I voted against bush . It was such a sweet vote!
Jail The Bird I say! Forget impeachment just frogwalk bushco to the nearest prison.
Would they give bush a prison suite? Or just a plain ole cell? IRI what is your thought on this?
Kanye Rocks! He told the truth bush is against The Poor Balck african Americans just like he is against all Poor!
February 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pm#6.
Book of Rightwing Propaganda Section II: When the Truth is too painful to acknowledge, bring up an extraneous issue not in any way related to the question at hand.
Q: People believe Abramoff over Bush on the lobbying issues.
Right wing response: Boy, how about that Kanye West He.....(insert race-loaded comments--preferally relating to a gutter or trash).
Lies and lies and lies.
How about the 25 dead American soldiers in the first ten days of February 2006? Heckuva job. But don;t honor their deaths by acknowledging that they died.
When the history books are written, the Bush Administration will set new records for moral bankruptcy.
-GSD
February 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pmSad, eh?
February 10th, 2006 at 4:44 pmAnd you would be the only one. Nice way to try and derail the conversation. Judd should delete your post for trying to take the thread off subject for the millionth time.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:46 pmthe discrepancy is even worse here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11262072/
February 10th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI guess Abramoff will be replacing Delay now...since hes got such swell poll resuts
February 10th, 2006 at 4:46 pmPoor ThinkProgress. Gasping for air in today's political climate. Don't worry, what happens to Harry Reid next will overshadow all of this.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:47 pmSince we are talking about Pres. Bush's credibility and religion, here is another gem:
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan".
And I did.
And then God would tell me "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq".
And I did.
And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East".
And, by God, I'm gonna do it.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:47 pmGeorge Bush: "God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
I agree that he will go down as the dumbest and worst president in history. It is pretty easy to see. One day, when all of these religious issues are moot, we will look back and laugh, like those that bled people to heal them, and wonder how people could have been so ignorant.
Oh yes, it is set for history, as long as the rube doesn't get us all blown up.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:48 pmThe only surprising fact about the poll is that George Bush got as high as 22 percent. I would have thought Abramoff would have done better. He looks very crebible to me.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:48 pm#32 - coming from Kayne West, I take comfort in that. He is a class ASS and I pray he campaigns against Bush. Someone should ask Kayne the last time he slept with a black woman since he accuses everyone else of being a racist.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:48 pmhee hee hee (#1 makes me chuckle)
Ofcourse they know each other.
When you are owned, you tend to know your owner.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#40 - actually, that's happening now. People are asking, why did we let Democrats and liberals dictate policy for so long? Some of us are laughing at how the country could have been so ignorant, too. But don't worry, we won't force our beliefs into our culture the way you did.
February 10th, 2006 at 4:56 pmI feel that this poll was grossly unfair to the president. His Majesty the King. How can a King(and he truly acts like a King) be compared with a commoner, with a lowly human being? This poll is unfair also in that it required an answer. When the sun is shining in-your-face do you have to be told it's daylight?
February 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmRightly So,
Take the hint from I-R-I ...EGO is your down fall. Kane West, George Bushes, and yours... it makes you all look like idiots.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:01 pmBut don’t worry, we won’t force our beliefs into our culture the way you did.
WTF are you talking about!!! Right wingers want to use the force of LAW to ENFORCE you taliban beliefs...please...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:03 pm"But don’t worry, we won’t force our beliefs into our culture the way you did.
Comment by Rightly So."
Say What????? You have got to be kidding me with that statement! This administration has done nothing but do just that. Besides, when your more worried about a fetus than you are a baby then I would consider that passing your beliefs onto other people.
The Republicans care more for the fetus than they do for the baby after it is born. The proof is in the pooding. Cut in Healthcare, Food Stamps, Welfare, etc. Let's not worry about taking care of the children after their born, but lets make the mothers have them.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:04 pmFoolishly So...
I know that this is way off topic.
When did Democrats and Liberals last dictate Policy?
Last Democratic President? 2000.
Last time Democrats held the Senate majority? 2001-2003
Previous time Democrats held the Senate Majority? 1994
Last time Democrats held the House majority? 1994
So apart from a two year stint (2001-2003) Republicans have controlled Congress since 1994 and the executive branch since 2000.
So, given that the year is 2006 (that's two thousand and six) and Democrats haven't had any power for at least three years. Haven't been in charge of the Executive branch for six years and haven't had significant control of Congress in 12 years...
How can you claim that Liberals have dictated policy for "so long" or have you had a lobotomy?
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:04 pmSince we are talking about Pres. Bush’s credibility and religion, here is another gem:
George Bush: “God told me to end the tyranny in Iraqâ€
Comment by Gregor Samsa
So, you believe a story in the commie run Guardian as told by a Palestanian head chopper? Is that how your mind works? Loser.
But hey, I haven't asked God and I doubt I'd get an answer if I did but personally I don't think He would be too concerned if we were to invade Iran, kill their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity.
Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.
Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.
She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.
As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.
The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death.
Last week, a court in the city of Rasht, northern Iran, sentenced Delara Darabi to death by hanging charged with murder when she was 17 years old. Darabi has denied the charges.
In August 2004, Iran’s Islamic penal system sentenced a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, to death after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing “acts incompatible with chastityâ€.
The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Atefeh personally defended herself and told the religious judge that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. She was eventually hanged in public in the northern town of Neka.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5184
February 10th, 2006 at 5:05 pmRightly So... you don't buy your crap, it is just too juvenile. And everyone knows you are NeD. Why the name change?
February 10th, 2006 at 5:05 pmIRI, zzzzzzzzzzz.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:06 pmI-RIGHT-I,
You are trying so hard to change the topic, it's funny. You are such a loser. Go to America Online and vote. Go! Quickly! You might be able to close the gap.
It's amazing 22% still give George Bush any credibility after all the deception and misrepresentations on the run-up to the war, and ongoing excuses to stay there.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#48 - not true. Liberals have forced every state to allow partial birth abortion. You tried to stop funding boy scouts because they don't accept your gay agenda. You tried to stop school choice because some people might choose to go religious schools (oh - the horror!). Now, you are attacking the militarty for don't ask don't tell in the name of gay rights. You are the people hell bent on shoving your views on the coutry. Then, you call a large majority of Americans the Taliban because they don't agree with your leftist agenda. You people are worse than Lenin.
But, those days are over and now I mock you and your beliefs.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:08 pmTehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
Welcome to Alitos America. Taliban Robertson!
I-R-I how can you hold this stuff up as being bad when you right wingers will let Americas southern baptists taliban do the exact same thing to America. They have been on a 30 year campaign to get where they are today...in another 30 years we will be Iran if they are not stoped.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:09 pmwhen your more worried about a fetus than you are a baby then I would consider that passing your beliefs onto other people.
The Republicans care more for the fetus than they do for the baby after it is born. The proof is in the pooding. Cut in Healthcare, Food Stamps, Welfare, etc. Let’s not worry about taking care of the children after their born, but lets make the mothers have them.
Comment by RemoveBush
Too bad. Get over it. Keep your pants zipped if you're so worried about feeding unwanted children. Children go hungry because their idiot mothers don't want them not because we don't throw enough money at the loser mother. If you want to make a difference stop enabling the losers and start making them accountable. Teach your little girl to keep her hands out of the boy's pants and visa versa. Become accountable yourself. God is sick to death of murder being the answer to the liberal lack of self control.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:10 pmRightly So,
You are not a victim no more than the southern baptists that said America was trying to force them to drink water from the same fountains as blacks... The left has FORCED freedom and equality...THAT is what pisses you off because you think you are better than other people. The day the lefties start FORCING you to let gays be preachers I will be on your side. Till then you are an idiot.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:11 pmI-R-I how can you hold this stuff up as being bad when you right wingers will let Americas southern baptists taliban do the exact same thing to America. They have been on a 30 year campaign to get where they are today…in another 30 years we will be Iran if they are not stoped.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
Nonsense.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:11 pmIRI...
Assuming that the "Commie run Guardian" that you are referring to is "The Guardian" newspaper from the UK formerly known as "The Manchester Guardian" then I would like to know...
1) Can you prove that The Guardian is run by "Commies" or is this another of your baseless assertions and Ad Hominem attacks. It might seem to you to be Communist, but then you are so far to the right of the Political Spectrum that you probably consider the "National Front" to be a Socialist party who are soft on Immigration.
2) WTF does the rest of your post have to do with anything under discussion?
Learn to debate or go back to sitting quietly drooling in your Mother's basement... That seems to be the one thing that you are good at.
Z.
p.s. Yes, I know that it is an Ad Hominem attack, and you could label me as a Hypocrite, but frankly I think you deserve it.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:11 pmToo bad. Get over it. Keep your pants zipped if you’re so worried about feeding unwanted children.
It is NONE of your busybody business what anyone does with their zipper PERIOD.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#55 - oh yes, Alito. I hear Justice John Paul Stevens is ready to go. There will be another Alito and you can't stop it. You deserve it too for trashing conservatives and distorting their record.
The only people in this country that have anything in common with the Taliban is the radical left. I have seen people write on this blog that they would storm the White House and kill Bush if necessary. YOu are the Taliban.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:14 pm-RIGHT-I,
You are trying so hard to change the topic, it’s funny. You are such a loser. Go to America Online and vote.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I wouldn't be caught dead on AOL.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#60 - that wasn't the case when liberals were crying over Clarence T allegedly putting a pubic hair on Anita Hill's coke. Liberals were outraged.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:15 pm61) WTF do you think George Washington did? Throw flowers at the red coats? No he KILLED those bastards.
And I grew up in the radical right...I KNOW what they think and what they are doing. YOU ARE THE TALIBAN.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:15 pmZwack,
I provided the link to The Guardian. It's The Guardian you are thinking about, allright. I-RIGHT-I calls anything that does not toe Pres Bush's line "leftie" or "commie".
Yes, I-RIGHT-I is still fighting the Cold War.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:16 pm"I wouldn’t be caught dead on AOL."
Is that because they have standards? Because you can't afford it? or because you are an elitist snob who can't think for himself?
Or is it perhaps all three?
Hmmm... Tough question.
Now, could you please add something useful to the discussion?
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pmThe only people in this country that have anything in common with the Taliban is the radical left. I have seen people write on this blog that they would storm the White House and kill Bush if necessary. YOu are the Taliban.
Comment by Rightly So...
Precisely. Their brand of Marxist/Humanism is a religion. No doubt about it. Over 60,000,000 served death warrants in the past one hundred years. The Muslims are amateurs compared to the Filthy Left.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pm"Liberals have forced every state to allow partial birth abortion."
What they have forced is the right for a mother to chose. If they cannot take care of the child, it is far better to end the pregnancy then to force the child to live in a life of dispare or starvation. We are looking after the welfare of the child in the LONG RUN. You don't give a ratsass about the child after it is born.
"You tried to stop funding boy scouts because they don’t accept your gay agenda."
We believe in letting a person be who and what they are. Not forcing our beliefs onto people.
"You tried to stop school choice because some people might choose to go religious schools (oh - the horror!)."
See above.
"Now, you are attacking the militarty for don’t ask don’t tell in the name of gay rights."
See above.
"You are the people hell bent on shoving your views on the coutry."
HMMMMM Let's see...... In all of the comments you just made, you were complaining because we were forcing people to give everyone a FAIR SHAKE. You want to FORCE YOUR VIEW on other people. Talk about HYPOCRITE!
"Then, you call a large majority of Americans the Taliban because they don’t agree with your leftist agenda. You people are worse than Lenin."
We have never done that, this type of hatred comes largely from the RIGHT. Now take your hating non-open minded self and leave.
But, those days are over and now I mock you and your beliefs.
Comment by Rightly So"
February 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pm63)
I have no clue what you are talking about ..but then again back then I was all for Reagan so maybe I just never heard about it.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pm#22 the King James Bible is not the original, not even close. The original books were written in Hebrew greek latin etc...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:18 pm“I wouldn’t be caught dead on AOL.â€
I agree.. Microsoft all the way! No I really mean that...Linux can bite my ass. I sure hope Microsoft keeps up the "mostly" good work and doesnt sell out to the right wingers and let total DRM like Blue Ray and Sony lock everyone down.... does that disqualify me as being proLiberal?
February 10th, 2006 at 5:20 pmSomeone has probably said this before but...
Why the heck are you touting an online poll? Those things are notoriously inaccurate. It does Think Progress' reputation some deal of harm by linking to it.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:20 pmGregor,
Yes, but he was the one who called them Commie. I could accept "left wing", "Liberal", "Socialist" or any number of similar comments, but having read the Grauniad frequently in the past I could never label it as either "Anarchist" or "Commie"...
Any idea if IRI is still stuck in the 1950's? It certainly seems that way... Racist, Anti-communist... It all fits.
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:20 pmPrecisely. Their brand of Marxist/Humanism is a religion. No doubt about it. Over 60,000,000 served death warrants in the past one hundred years. The Muslims are amateurs compared to the Filthy Left.
Reread history I-R-I ...that was the conservative christians...from the crusades, to the inquisitions, to the witch hunts, to the mass murder of the jews because they were blamed for the black plague, to the mass murder of the American Indians, to the mass murder if the jews in the holocaust... right wing christians are the biggest murderers in known history.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:22 pmZwack,
I-RIGHT-I is Think Progress' own resident KKKer.
Those guys are a tad, well, stuck in the past.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:22 pmToo bad. Get over it. Keep your pants zipped if you’re so worried about feeding unwanted children.
It is NONE of your busybody business what anyone does with their zipper PERIOD.
Comment by Gerald Gibson — February 10, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
I don't teach Biology, but I'm pretty certain that you don't feed children with anything near your zipper...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:23 pmGWB,you're a terrible liar.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:25 pmGive it up.
Abramoff and Bush, best friends 4 ever.
Mark,
That reminds me of two people I have heard about...
One claimed that translations weren't necessary because "If the King James was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for me"
The other one walked up to a priest after he had given a sermon at one of the New Zealand Cathedrals (Episcopalian if it matters) and asked him with a straight face if he knew that "The Saint James version is also called the Authorised Version because it was Authorised by Saint James, the brother of Jesus."
Apparently he was serious...
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:25 pm76)
Within the world of Intelligent Design ANYTHING is possible...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:26 pmYes, I-RIGHT-I is still fighting the Cold War.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
When the Berlin wall fell and Regan said it was the end of an era I called bullshit. When the Soviet Union "fell" and the pundits said the Cold War was over I called bullshit.
It ain't over by a long shot. Just ask Putin and the Red Chinese military.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:27 pmOne Salient Oversight,
I want to believe we are all aware that online polls are notably unreliable. I really don't think Think Progress is touting it.
This poll, if anything, provides a) a little Friday afternoon fun and b) an idea of how much Pres Bush's credibility has sunk.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmUnbelievable...
I think you will find that IRI was the one conencting feeding Children and his Zipper...
I wonder if he is on a sex offenders list somewhere?
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmWithin the world of Intelligent Design ANYTHING is possible…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — February 10, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
I shutter to think... (I do teach Earth Space Science).
February 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pmIt is NONE of your busybody business what anyone does with their zipper PERIOD.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
If you want to be part of a civilized society you have to be prepared to take on the moral obligation of a civilized man. Rampant sexual misconduct of all stripes is not the mark of a civilized nation. That goes for you rump rangers out there too.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:30 pmThis poll, if anything, provides a) a little Friday afternoon fun and b) an idea of how much Pres Bush’s credibility has sunk.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 10, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
Because clearly it takes a poll to inform certain people of this fact :)
February 10th, 2006 at 5:31 pm#50 umm, what exactly does that particular story have to do with President Bush's lack of credibility? Or have you been dying to use it and have not found a better place. I'm sure the Saudi press is full of similar stories, so what's your point?
#54 the Christian Taliban is not a large majority of the population by any stretch. I would say that they are in the 20% range. Just being Christian does not make one a member of the Christian Taliban. It's those, like Dobson, who have chosen to pervert the message in the bible and draw their little hate lines in the sand, who are the Christian Taliban. Organized prayer in school or our government recognizing one religion over another is another no no. Take a few minutes and read the constitution, in addition to that your argument will come back that the founders had god on their minds, but also read Madison and Jefferson's separate remonstrance's against religion. The founders were a lot smarter than the current rulers.
#56 sometimes kids can have both parents at home, working and providing for them, and the parents can still be losers. For an example go to your bathroom and stare at the shiny piece of glass hanging on the wall.
#61 That's funny as the Taliban leaders are almost always referred to as radical conservative Islamic leaders.
#63 he was doing that in an unwanted approach in a public setting which is far different from consenting adults behind closed door
February 10th, 2006 at 5:31 pmIRI
You really should open your eyes (and maybe your mind)...
You do realise that Communist China now owns so much of the US National Debt that your beloved Sun-King GWB is increasing that they could bring this country to it's knees by calling it in.
What a great way to fight Communism... Or do you think that GWB is turning the other Ass-Cheek?
I assume that you are stockpiling food and weapons in your mother's basement for when they Chinese invade.
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:32 pmIf you want to be part of a civilized society you have to be prepared to take on the moral obligation of a civilized man. Rampant sexual misconduct of all stripes is not the mark of a civilized nation. That goes for you rump rangers out there too.
That is a matter between an individual and their god ...it is NONE of your busybody business... quit sniffing my ass you sicko!
February 10th, 2006 at 5:33 pmKeep your pants zipped if you’re so worried about feeding unwanted children. Children go hungry because their idiot mothers don’t want them not because we don’t throw enough money at the loser mother. If you want to make a difference stop enabling the losers and start making them accountable. Teach your little girl to keep her hands out of the boy’s pants and visa versa. Become accountable yourself. God is sick to death of murder being the answer to the liberal lack of self control.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
For the record, the percentages of teenage and unmarried mother pregnancies are much higher in the so-called Red States--particularly in the South--than they are in the Blue States. So much for what you call "liberal lack of self-control!"
February 10th, 2006 at 5:33 pmright wing christians are the biggest murderers in known history.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
More men women and children have been killed in the past one hundred years by communists and socialists than have died in all the wars of history put together. It's a fact and you can look it up.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm
February 10th, 2006 at 5:34 pm#83 - I knew you didn't teach English.
Back on thread - How many times did you vote Gregrrr, mark, unbelieved, terryturtle, swack, for truth, RumPunch???? Your secret is safe. Shhhh....we Repubs designed the poll to give you a false sense of....
February 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmthe South–than they are in the Blue States. So much for what you call “liberal lack of self-control!â€
Comment by Lora
We have more Blacks and Mexicans.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmDid I see that some idiot is still confused and using the term partial birth abortion? Get into the real world, goofball. That is a misnomer and you have been duped. Anyway, it's none of your business.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:37 pmThis poll, if anything, provides a) a little Friday afternoon fun and b) an idea of how much Pres Bush’s credibility has sunk.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
No one over the age of ten with a fully functioning brain goes online at AOL. There's your credibility.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#83 - I knew you didn’t teach English.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 10, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
Not that you're one to judge. You don't even write in coherent English most of the time.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:38 pmI think Gerald was smart when he was a Reagan Democrat. It's been down hill for Gerald since then.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:38 pmBack on thread - How many times did you vote Gregrrr, mark, unbelieved, terryturtle, swack, for truth, RumPunch????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 10, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
Zero. Unlike you, Magda, I worked today.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:39 pmDid I see that some idiot is still confused and using the term partial birth abortion? Get into the real world, goofball. That is a misnomer and you have been duped. Anyway, it’s none of your business.
Comment by progressive and proud
It's no misnomer. I've see the pictures and read the medical reports. It is god-awful.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:39 pmunbelievable,
Is Jeffrey Shawn, AKA Ritewinger, AKA mighty aphrodite being the same sort of partisan he was during the Kerry campaign. He's such a silly partisan - just forgive him for being a partisan hate filled minion. He's a victim of his hatred, ignorance and crippled brain functions - poor thing. Just pity and forgive him, that's the best that a mature respectable person can do.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#91 As if you are in some kind of cool group making up rules for the rest of the little people. You have an overinflated ego that comes from insecurity. Geez, stop wearing your issues on your sleeve for all of us to gawk at. It is really kind of pathetic and doesn't do much for your credibility.
Oh I know, you don't care, but you are here everyday not caring. Ummmm hmmmmm
February 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pmI think Gerald was smart when he was a Reagan Democrat. It’s been down hill for Gerald since then.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 10, 2006 @ 5:38 pm
That's right, you were drunk through the Clinton years when we had an increase of jobs and a budget surplus...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pmPictures=doctored. Argggggh you are so misinformed.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:42 pm"Not that you’re one to judge. You don’t even write in coherent English most of the time.
Comment by unbelievable — February 10, 2006 @ 5:38 pm"
That's how I knew that mighty aphrodite was Jeffrey Shawn. His style is very distinctive, as his use of sentence fragments, poor grammar, and generally obsessions on certain topics. He's such a silly partisan. He gained a real reputation for being a swiftboat GOP attack partisan at the Democratic Underground during the Kerry campaign. Poor thing, is such a lost soul.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pmThis must be one of the funniest comments I have ever seen (considering the source)...
If you want to be part of a cilized society you have to be prepared to take on the moral obligation of a civilized man.
I have no problem with that... However you have shown some traits that I would not call either Moral or civilised... let's have a look.
Strong Moral outlook:
Against "Rampant Sexual Conduct" - Check
Against bringing unwanted babies into the world - Check
Against Discrimination - Oh Dear, no not that one.
Against Name calling - Whoops, another failure.
Well, let us try civilised...
Understands the basics of the civil society that he lives in - Nope, you don't understand the Constitution very well
Follows his beliefs - Sort of... But as you don't seem to understand the principle teachings of the moral/religious leader that you follow it's really a No.
Can follow a civil debate without resorting to attacks and fallacies - No, that's a big loss there.
IRI, when you behave in a moral and civilised manner then you can tell people how to do so.
You might want to remember the teachings of Christ that mention the mote in your brothers eye and the beam in your own.
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pm90)
You said last 100 years...I said in history ...you can look that up. Stalin (not a liberal) and Mao (not a liberal) are the two biggest besides ...WWI and WWII ...mostly commited by christian right wingers. So whats your point?
Liberals almost never killed anyone. The left is not represented by Stalin and Mao... Both of those people were gangster types not "Give me LIBERTY or give me death!" liberals. Where as the Nazis were solidly christian, racist, conservatives that sound very much like Americas Taliban when they speak.
THEN go back before the last 100 years... and it gets far worse for the christian right wingers.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pmThat is a matter between an individual and their god …it is NONE of your busybody business… quit sniffing my ass you sicko!
Comment by Gerald Gibson
Get back in the closet now while you still have a chance. Those re-education camps we set up in West Texas really aren't for education.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pmWe have more Blacks and Mexicans.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Do they have sex with their relatives also?
February 10th, 2006 at 5:45 pm#95 I know, I've told him often that all of that punctuation and jibberish makes it hard to read his posts, but much easier to skip over.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:45 pmSo the majority of americans believe Abramoff (an admitted felon) is more trustworthy than Bush. Considering the number of times Bush has been caught lying, yet still doesn't admit to ever lying or making a mistake - it should be no surprise. Only the 'lost partisans' are still defending the corrupt, inept and extremists that now occupy republican leadership. Partisans are such poor lost souls, I forgive you pumpkins.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:45 pmRightPunch,
I checked out your link... creepy... And definitely a candidate for Magda's real life identity. Easy to understand the venom in that case, for sure.
I began my book "The Culture of Fear". It's like the Sociologist who wrote the book did it with Jeffrey (a.k.a. Afro) in mind. Should be interesting to see what it says... will keep you posted.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:46 pmIRI, when you behave in a moral and civilised manner then you can tell people how to do so.
You might want to remember the teachings of Christ that mention the mote in your brothers eye and the beam in your own.
Z.
I have a speck and they have a forest. I also have a responsibility to help pull this country out of the pit 60 years of liberalism has put us in. You want to dig deeper and I'm not going to stand by and allow it. FYI, I'm immune to scripture misapplied by the Walking Dead as I actually know what it means.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHey everyone, can we stay on topic? The republican partisans are just trying to distract the thread so they won't have to face the credibility gap their leaders now have. Ignore their silly rants about politicians no longer in office, and wars long since over. The poor partisans have to fabricate reasons to ignore the present, and their current string of failures. Just ignore their poor little rants.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:47 pmI think Gerald was smart when he was a Reagan Democrat. It’s been down hill for Gerald since then.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
The more I read Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, George Washingtons writings the more American I become and so the more liberal I become. Remember the neocons didnt like Reagan. Reagan didnt trust them... you are not on the Reaganites nor the "kennedy liberals" side. You are on the Talibans side.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:47 pmIt’s no misnomer. I’ve see the pictures and read the medical reports. It is god-awful.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Yes it is so why does the right try to stop RU486? because they are the Taliban that is why.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pmunbelievable,
The partisans who post here seem to derive from the half dozen or so linked partisan websites. It's no accident that they swarm the blog every time their partisan masters are shown to be unpopular, incompetent or having done something illegal. Their partisan brains feel stress, and they need to attack to get their addictive brain drug hit of the partisan.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pm#103 Is he one of those stupid college kids, usually pimply, have difficulty finding a girlfriend, and often extremely skinny, that go around with the bumper stickers and hand outs? That is SO FUNNY. We have those nerds around campus here. They are kind of like the folks in NYC that continually hand out flyers - very annoying. Or like the weirdo evangelicals who approach you on the street to ask if you are "saved."
I always love to tell them yes, many times. Goofy
February 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pm#95 I know, I’ve told him often that all of that punctuation and jibberish makes it hard to read his posts, but much easier to skip over.
Comment by progressive and proud — February 10, 2006 @ 5:45 pm
I usually only catch the ones addressed to me, because my screen name pops out. But otherwise, I'm with you and just skip anything he says...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:50 pmBut hey, I haven’t asked God and I doubt I’d get an answer if I did but personally I don’t think He would be too concerned if we were to invade Iran, kill their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 10, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
With IRI furnishing the disease-infected blankets (at a slight markup of course - "whiteman's burden" and all that).
February 10th, 2006 at 5:51 pmAhhhhh. Me get it now. Thanks, friend.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pmGiven your racist comments, your anger management issues, your complete misunderstanding of the Beatitudes (do they appear in your version of the Bible) and your general attitude I seriously doubt that you understand scripture at all.
Seriously, if you are so learned about Scriptur do you want to explain the Beatitudes and how they fit with your beliefs?
Z.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:53 pmI’m immune to scripture misapplied by the Walking Dead as I actually know what it means.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
So when was the last time you talked to god? Never? Ya thought so. And what about Jesus? Never? Ya thought so. It is NOT a matter of fact. It is a matter of what it does to your heart when you read it. Do you become angry with the poor or the rich? That should tell you whether you "get it" or not.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmP&P,
Here's a link to his personal page - but only go if you don't mind seeing weasily little republican partisans up close and personal.
http://townhall.meetup.com/143/member/2210128/
He's a blog master at one of the GOP linked republican blogs, and a contributor at most of them. Most likely he's part of the paid partisan set, but based on the low quality of work - I'm not so sure.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmRightPunch,
Guess that's why they are here and we are not there. But, you know, since this is the Friday forum... How funny would it be to show up at church and start demanding that they preach science on Sunday? Didn't you say that you live in the South? Anywhere near Georgia? You can't throw a rock without hitting one around here...
February 10th, 2006 at 5:56 pm#123, MA claims to be from the San Diego area, I think - apparently she thinks the local Quakers are some urban guerillas or something like that.
February 10th, 2006 at 6:02 pmNo one over the age of ten with a fully functioning brain goes online at AOL. There’s your credibility.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 10, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Are you this thick-headed? Oh, why am I even asking? Of course you are!
I said "we know online polls are notably unreliable".
February 10th, 2006 at 6:09 pmWe have more Blacks and Mexicans.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 10, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
More pearls of wisdom from the Greater Houston Area's Grand Wizard.
Back on topic, let's see how Pres. Bush's credibility is faring on the other side of the fence:
The consensus on the Right was that President Bush's fifth State of the Union Address was his worst. Republican members of Congress agreed privately that he was most effective at the beginning with his familiar message of why U.S. forces cannot abandon Iraq. The problem for these lawmakers was the rest of the 51-minute presentation, which was filled with unpleasant surprises.
Robert Novak: Bush's talking points are losing their edge
I guess you need to be a hard-core believer at this point to try to excuse Pres Bush's exceses.
February 10th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#127 I bet you are worried though if you are an animal-human hybrid....
February 10th, 2006 at 6:33 pmMSNBC: "Who do you think is telling the truth"? Bush 8%, Abramoff 81%, both 11%
February 10th, 2006 at 6:47 pmHey IRI, the best part of you rand down the inner thigh of your mother.
You are a poster child for abortions.
February 10th, 2006 at 6:48 pmIs that for real Lisa? 8% heeeeheeeeee
February 10th, 2006 at 6:52 pmIs anyone surprised by these poll results? Bush doesn't know the truth...that's what Bush doesn't know.
http://musobs.blogspot.com/
February 10th, 2006 at 6:53 pmLook now we have a reason to impeach bush.
February 10th, 2006 at 7:38 pm#133 caption: Let's see, maybe there are some brains in this head?
February 10th, 2006 at 7:59 pmCrazy Anarcho-Syndicalist,
Ha good one. That's like:
February 10th, 2006 at 8:06 pmrump rangers???????
What the Hell in tarnation is That?????
are you talking about roastrump or rumproast, or what???
Comment by HOT! TIP! — February 10, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
What a relief... for a while I thought I was the only one who didn't know.
Being aware of IRI's obsessions, I am sure it has something to do with homosexuality.
It's amazing what reichwingers can teach you about alternative lifestyles and lingo. They say they are against it, but that's all they talk about. Go figure...
February 10th, 2006 at 8:41 pmand yet another thread is hijacked by a conservative...
February 10th, 2006 at 8:42 pmAmazing that even with the NeoCons controlling the press and constantly spinning everything and framing the debate, the people STILL know what is going on.
Not that we can do anything to stop it. Rove and the "Help America Vote Act" have ensured that no Democrat will ever again win another major race. Rove even bragged about his strategy for a "permanent Republican majority" in Newsweek last year. What he really meant was: hijacking our elections.
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February 10th, 2006 at 8:47 pmI have ocean front property in Nepal; you will have to wait a bit until the glaciers melt world-wide.;=)
February 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pmFacing increasing pressure over his ties to convicted Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff, George W. Bush is doing what comes naturally: playing dumb. And why not? It worked for him with Ken Lay and the Valerie Plame leak.
For the details, see:
February 10th, 2006 at 9:29 pm"Playing Dumb: Bush on Abramoff, Lay and Libby."
A "Bushism", "Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."
February 10th, 2006 at 9:56 pmInterview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001
More Republicans going down.... Looks like we will have more seats available for the Dems to take back this year.
"Two of the elected officials referred to in Friday's filings have been identified in published reports as Reps. Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, and Don Young, R-Alaska. According to Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper, the two representatives wrote to the GSA in September 2002, urging the agency to give preferential treatment to groups such as Indian tribes when evaluating development proposals for the Old Post Office."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1153AP_Lobbyist_Probe.html
February 10th, 2006 at 10:02 pmPoor, poor righty. You have not grown any over the last few months, but you seem to be drawing a crowd with your stench lately. You do not have the credentials to even have a "mission" but you continue on and eventually will become irrelevant by your own hand. You and so many newly "ordained" so-called conservatives are killing any chance of reasonable adult conservatives being taken seriously in any useful debate in this country. Keep it up, smart guy, and hand the country over to....???
February 10th, 2006 at 10:05 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/polls/cnn.usa.gallup/010596.shtml#economy
Not that Bush is Clinton, but it's interesting to see how hard Clinton's first years were. He bounced back in a good way!
February 10th, 2006 at 10:20 pm[...] Think Progress » ONLINE POLL: 68% Find Jack Abramoff More Credible Than George Bush [...]
February 11th, 2006 at 12:59 am[...] funny [...]
February 11th, 2006 at 1:41 amWhere did that pic in post 133 come from?
Why is the guy fiddling with Bush's crotch as a guy is smiling behind him?
Either George is unable to zip himself or the Secret Service guy is about to give him a hummer > lol.
That pic sould be shown on Jay Leno show, or other comedy show, like Saturday Night Live!
February 11th, 2006 at 2:27 amShrub is the biggest turd the world has ever known.. I knew it before he got elected the first time, it's a shame that it is only now that the sheeples are now waking up from their "reality TV" induced coma... However there are the masses of religious zealots suckling at the Jesus Nuts tits that are still swollowing the lies those hypocritical bigots Pat and Jerry are shoveling out to them (the sheeples). F religion and F the neoconvicts... it's time for a global cleansing STARTING FROM THE TOP!
February 11th, 2006 at 3:06 amOOPS, forgot.... F the muslims and their f'ed up religion too, the christian zealots are just the flip side of that coin ala the Crusades 1600 years later is where we are heading. Religious Zealots are nothing but ignorant FOOLS, the entire lot of them!
February 11th, 2006 at 3:11 am#159- Ryan, nice to "read" you! I have missed your posts. The I.Q. quotient here cries out for a transfusion!! Welcome "home".
February 11th, 2006 at 3:35 amWhy dose Think Progress allow such rampant trollery and foolishness? And why do the posters here fall for rightwing flamebait in every single thread???
February 11th, 2006 at 4:56 amI want to know what 22% of americans are so retarded that they actually still believe Bush are any of these reichwing retards? Were the home schooled, or just naturally stupid?
Comment by Ryan Neat — February 11, 2006 @ 2:54 am
Hey - good to see you. Are you back?
Ryan, it's interesting to me how bright kids are - all kids - at 14,15,16... (even the ones failing are smart, just not great test takers). I'm not sure what happens to them between that age and adulthood. I'm really not. And if we can figure it out, maybe there's a way to fix it.
This week we talked about the sun - where it came from, how it works, and what will happen when it runs out of fuel. Not one single one of the 120 students I teach said one single word about creationism or seemed to have any problem with the reality of our solar system. In fact they are asking me about black holes and can I actually show them a star supernova? They are genuinely interested in the real science of our universe. What I don't know is why they forget or how...
February 11th, 2006 at 9:59 amWhy dose Think Progress allow such rampant trollery and foolishness? And why do the posters here fall for rightwing flamebait in every single thread???
Comment by Xeno — February 11, 2006 @ 4:56 am
Let's face it - human nature isn't always mature. Asking why humans like to spar is the same as asking why dogs like to wrestle. Just something we do to hone our debating skills, and sometimes for play. I don't think most people are serious about it. It's just more intense with the veil of anonymity, I suppose.
When I'm not in the mood for it, I just skip those posts. There's usually someone else doing the same with whom to have rational dialog.
February 11th, 2006 at 10:04 am#44.Tell that to Terri Schiavo you asshat. Oh yeah, and those dicksmack pharmacists who won't give out birth control pills? Or allow condoms to be sent to Africa? Or allow science to be taught?
-GSD
February 11th, 2006 at 11:01 amGood Morning Unbelievable and Ryan. In answer to your question unbelievable may I offer a coment. I think it is a combination of puberty and bordom. The body chemestry is changing just when the young want to learn, if their desire to learn and intrests of certain subjects are not filled they turn to bordom and high drop out rates happen. Then their homones take over in many cases and we have early pregnancy's ,drugs and wild teens. Just a thought. If their interests can be channeled and the learning curve improved we would have fewer drop outs and a better crop of young adults coming up...Blessings
February 11th, 2006 at 11:16 amSomeone should ask Kayne the last time he slept with a black woman since he accuses everyone else of being a racist.
Comment by Rightly So...#42
Rotten 'n' Sore...
White man's fear...
...Black man gonna take all my white women...
..My muther, sister, daughter, and aunt Jenny too...
...Now me n' deddy got no one lef' t' diddle...
...da*n nigg*rs...
February 11th, 2006 at 11:23 amThe one thing we should ALL be deathly afraid of...
...is Bushiva's "boy who cried wolf" syndrome...
...THAT'S what makes us unsafe...
February 11th, 2006 at 11:24 amOnly 18 percent said a president could lift constitutional guarantees any time if it was necessary to protect the country and another 5 percent said they did not know or declined to answer. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points.
So much for the retarded republicans that believe this is a slam dunk. Bite me you fascist morons! Americans are smarter than you think, and you’re definitely more stupid than you sound!
Comment by Ryan Neat
I see they let you out of your room Ryan. Those "time outs" suck don't they?
But I gots to ax you. What possible connection to some poll published by "Screw Them" Zuninga, homosexual activist, have to reality and the majority of US citizens? Hummm? None is the correct answer. Americans WANT our military spying on enemy agents, terrorists and traitors. Nobody want to be spied on by the government so to ask them is stupid. Why not aske them if they THINK the government is spying on them? Nope, can't do that and get a 99% negative can we?
I'm glad your back. I missed pissing on your pant leg.
JIMMY CARTER HYPOCRITE AND RABID MOONBAT? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
Carter allowed surveillance in 1977
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
But in 1977, Mr. Carter and his attorney general, Griffin B. Bell, authorized warrantless electronic surveillance used in the conviction of two men for spying on behalf of Vietnam.
February 11th, 2006 at 11:27 amThe men, Truong Dinh Hung and Ronald Louis Humphrey, challenged their espionage convictions to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, which unanimously ruled that the warrantless searches did not violate the men's rights.
In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons."
That description, some Republicans say, perfectly fits the Bush administration's program to monitor calls from terror-linked people to the U.S.
The Truong case, however, involved surveillance that began in 1977, before the enactment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which established a secret court for granting foreign intelligence warrants.
Democrats and some Republicans in Congress say FISA guidelines, approved in 1978 when Mr. Carter was president, are the only way the president may conduct surveillance on U.S. soil.
Administration officials say the president has constitutional authority to conduct surveillance without warrants in the name of national security. The only way Congress could legitimately curtail that authority, they argue, is through an amendment to the Constitution.
The administration's view has been shared by previous Democrat administrations, including Mr. Carter's.
When Mr. Bell testified in favor of FISA, he told Congress that while the measure doesn't explicitly acknowledge the "inherent power of the president to conduct electronic surveillance," it "does not take away the power of the president under the Constitution."
Jamie S. Gorelick, deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, agreed. In 1994 testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Miss Gorelick said case law supports the presidential authority to conduct warrantless searches and electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes.
Earlier this week, however, Mr. Carter said it was "ridiculous" for Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales to say the spying is justified by Article II of the Constitution.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060210-110722-2189r.htm
Hi Sharon,
Always appreciate your thoughts... Definitely something worth consideration. There are a lot of kids dropping out these days, and when I ask those who knew them why they went, they say that those students didn't think school was teaching them anything important, or they were bored, or something along those lines. I know I find a good bit of my time going to teaching them self-worth and value of an education. But I wonder if it even matters. Some teachers are really amazing (I even like to listen to their lectures). Others are making the problem worse. No Child Left Nehind is horrific. It's all about standardized tests and money. Not about the kids, the reality they are about to run smack into or what works best for them as individuals who who learn differently. We seriously need education reform in addition to political reform - as I think the two are related. But I don't hold my breath either. :) Thanks for your input.
Enjoy your Saturday!
February 11th, 2006 at 11:30 amEarlier this week, however, Mr. Carter said it was “ridiculous†for Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales to say the spying is justified by Article II of the Constitution.
http://www.washtimes.com/ national/ 20060210-110722-2189r.htm
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 11, 2006 @ 11:27 am
Great, the two of you in a room together again... just what I was missing.
You know, I'm just sick of the party clashes. The Democrats will battle anything teh Republicans say just because theyare Republicans, while the Republicans will battle anything the Democrats say just because they are Democrats. And inthe process, we're missingthe real point. We're missing that our education system is now 7th in the world and slipping, that many children in this country are living in poverty (which means they aren't eating well), and that the rest of the world hates us.
Since my liberal votes don't count in the red state where I live anyway, where there is an option, I'm planning to vote for anyone who is not a Republican or a Democrat (or a lunatic) this Fall. Even if Independents can't win, they can atleast be feared.
February 11th, 2006 at 11:41 amComment by I-RIGHT-I #168
Irrelevant-Retarded-Impactedbowel,
Bi*ch take that Tony Blankley sh*t paper and wipe your soiled nether regions with it...
At least if he did, carter CAUGHT and CONVICTED some REAL spies...
...now go rape a kindergartner, you perverted sh*tball...
February 11th, 2006 at 11:44 amI agree, GB doesnt know much of anything..
February 11th, 2006 at 11:48 amIf you want to make a difference stop enabling the losers and start making them accountable.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #56
Incurable-Regenerative-analInfection,
"accountable"?
...you're an inbred, incestuous, right wing scumbag Bushite...
...who REFUSES to hold your lords and masters Bushiva and L'il Dick "ACCOUNTABLE" for anything...
...go and do what you do best you necrophilial ba*licking Bushite propaganda who*e...
February 11th, 2006 at 11:54 amNow that I've had my sh*t on IRI fix...
Where the he*l did they find 22%...
February 11th, 2006 at 11:56 amIsn't it about time you updated this blog?
http://musobs.blogspot.com/
February 11th, 2006 at 12:09 pmIsn’t it about time you updated this blog?
http://musobs.blogspot.com/
Comment by G-ZUS —
If you had any ball besides those on your chin you'd offer some Muhammed t-shirts to go along with your "Christians are fucked up but I'm OK with being a homo" line. Loser.
February 11th, 2006 at 12:29 pmUnbelievable and big papa, well done. I agree and I live in a blue state, however my representatives rarely give me anything to hang on to except lip service and excuses why they didn't do what was right in their votes. Many are nothing more than Rep.lieing lite's. Voting against them in 2006, going with any one else that's anti war and for the people and enviroment. Regarding our school system a little personal background. In the 50's several of us wanted to take shop, wood and engine building. Girls were not allowed. Everyone of us ended up dropping out, getting married at 16 and having children. Years later through hard work I went into cabinet shops as the first woman in those areas. Learned from the bottom up, then went into furniture mfg and assembly, electronics and finelly I was able to get into engine building through racing. Small block Mopar's were my specielety. Have given a lot of thought on the educational process, having missed much through poor choices and bordom of my own and raising children, mine and others. First off the No Child left behind is a terrible joke, thought up by this terrible administration. All children must be fed a good diet, in home or school and then taught whats relevent to survival and everyday life. We must feed their bodies and minds and build on their inquisitive nature. Never mind the relegious Bull s***. How about just being kind and considerate. Let the relegious aspect be of their choosing.Next we need to have the teachers that are inspiring the young and they need to be paid well, that has never been the case. Tests mean little if after the test there are no jobs to go to except McDonalds. See lots of seniors older than me going back to work because they can't get medical coverage and S.S is not getting it in today's econemy, many are going hungry, our food bank's overwhelmed. The list goes on and on. Inspiration and building a country that is being torn apart is diffacult and I am not talking about Iraq although I could be.
Hay, big papa, love the discriptive words directed at trolls. Just don't get booted off the site...Like I said in another post,,so glad to see Ryan back....Blessings
February 11th, 2006 at 1:23 pm161)
Everytime those troll heads popup your suppose to hit it with that padded hammer thing (reason)...thats how the game works.
February 11th, 2006 at 1:58 pmUk has 151 MPs signatures to impeach Blair. we need 200 since january weve had another 42 MP signatures ....they will suddenly jump there as MP will do this to get him nailed at the post http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
http://www.impeachblair.org/ and click Early Day Motions
we will have this in the BAG by the time bush starts war By March
February 11th, 2006 at 4:41 pmSmedley, there's going to be a helluva party if this happens, I say if because I think poodle will 'hand over' to Gordon Brown when he sees the writing on the wall to save his skin/fur. 22% of Americans in this poll......22% too many if you believe polls, I bet the real figure is lower (I hope so too).
February 11th, 2006 at 5:41 pmiri you ignorant slut. the wash times is owned by reverend moon - a moonbat if there ever was one.
the "spying" was pre-1978 FISA and even the lame ass paper your quouted say so. and as your daddy said - at least he CONVICTED real criminal spys.
you are so pathetic. just go away idiot.
February 11th, 2006 at 7:18 pmBush is quietly destroying the Abramoff investigation and prosecution. He has removed the prosecutor who has worked on the case for 2 years. Repubs have put Tom DeLay, partner in crime with Abramnoff, on the congressional committee that oversees the investigating agency. Want to bet DeLay gets at most a slp on the hand? Ney will take the fall, maybe a couple others, and Dems will be targeted to neuter their criticism - they did the same thing during the theft of billions from the Savings and Loans in the 90's by, primarily, Republicans. With this money they buy radio and tv adds, newspapers, magazines. Now the Mafia has moved in closer and bolder, to the top, via Abramoffs gambling adventures with John Gotti.s lieutenants and Congressman Ney officially denouncing Guds Boulis weeks before he was murdered - by Abramoffs partner. Murder, money, mayhem,,,,,mafia. Isn't this deliciously exciting?
February 12th, 2006 at 5:03 amDems will be targeted to neuter their criticism - they did the same thing during the theft of billions from the Savings and Loans in the 90’s by, primarily, Republicans.
Comment by Dan #182
They're already muddying the water with Reid, despite the fact he's taken Indian gaming money long before Abramoff came along...
"creating reality" for their treasonous inbred base has always been a winning strategy...
...no doubt it will again...
...but it's the inbred-lites iamongst the so-called "indepents" and "conservative" (bluedog DLC) Democrats that worry me...
February 12th, 2006 at 1:01 pm[...] This is the percentage that find Jack Abramoff more credible than our “President”. It would be funny if it were not so completely sad. [...]
February 12th, 2006 at 10:18 pmDo you think Ambromoff ever met Krusty the Clown??
February 17th, 2006 at 12:06 amThe greatest threat to “national security†is the current administration’s systematic weakening of our national principles and the erosion of the framing document, which supports them: our Constitution. That work outlines what is necessary for a people to be genuinely free and “secure.†It includes the inalienable rights of a free press and the freedom to air one’s thoughts without fear of reprisals, any reprisals, including corporate or institutional censorship. When hard scientific knowledge that would make our nation more “secure†is suppressed because it contradicts the administration’s ideology, it is time to do some reality checking (“Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him, †Andrew C. Revkin, NYT, 1/29/06). Let us pray that freedom-loving people of America wake up, weigh in, and speak out so that America does not become like the Germany of 1938 – too late to stop the administration, too weak to overpower it.
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