George Allen: Investigate Cheney Over CIA Leak
George Allen: Investigate Cheney Over CIA Leak
Last week, it was revealed that Scooter Libby told a federal grand jury that his “superiors,” including Vice President Cheney, had authorized him in the summer of 2003 to leak classified information to help defend the administration’s Iraq policy.
Sens. George Allen (R-VA) and Jack Reed (D-RI) were asked about the revelations today on Fox News Sunday. Both Reed and Allen (a top presidential hopeful among conservative activists) said the Cheney leak needs to be investigated:
REED: I think it’s inappropriate, I think it’s wrong, and I think that this calls into question in terms of [Fitzgerald’s] investigation of the conduct of the Vice President and others, perhaps. And I think he has to look closely at their behavior. And again, it just seems to me —
WALLACE: You’re saying he should be investigating the Vice President?
REED: Whoever the superiors are that are supposedly allegedly leaked or authorized a leak by the individual in question, Mr. Libby, I think the investigation has to go forward.
WALLACE: Senator Allen?
ALLEN: The prosecutor here, Mr. Fitzgerald, seems to me to be a very articulate, professional prosecutor, and I think the facts will lead wherever they lead, and I think he will prosecute as appropriate. … I don’t think anybody should be releasing classified information, period, whether in the Congress, Executive Branch or some underling in some bureaucracy.
For more on why Cheney need to be investigated, read CIA director Porter Goss’ editorial, Loose Lips Sink Spies.
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See, Roberts Mamary Pills, how it works.
February 12th, 2006 at 4:44 pmYes VP Dick Cheney must be investigated and indicted for telling Libby to out Valerie Plame/Wilson! Let the impeachment of Dick begin!!!
February 12th, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhat a beautiful day. This is what all Republican’s fear, George Allen , who is Not John McCain, and Not Rudy Gulliani. Let the battle to be Ceasar begin.http://heraklia.fws1.com/
February 12th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHere’s the low-down.
Either Cheney will resign, ahnging his head in shame, and sulking off to the shadows to have his bones picked apart by the vultures in the Judiciary.
Cheney will hang on as “The Proud, True, Red White and Blue American” only later to commit suicide in his office chair out of shame and disgrace.
Come on Y’All.
February 12th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHollyWood can’t write ‘em this good.
Over at FireDogLake, a commenter made a good suggestion. Someone should ask the administration if the NIE was declassified prior to it being leaked in July of 2003. There is a declassification procedure for doing this and it would appear that the rules would require the agency that prepared the NIE to do the declassification.
February 12th, 2006 at 4:59 pmThanks for the tip about Firedog and the NIE, Alvord. Again to Roberts Mamary Pills , see this is what the GOP & the MSM are afraid of, constant refreshment of strategies and referals to informed and intelligent thinking. You can’t just label this as gossip or hateful.
February 12th, 2006 at 5:15 pmPerhaps the reason why Fitz didn’t want to indict Scooter over revealing classified info is because it was authorized by the Vice President. If the Vice President chooses to declassify information for political reasons, then it must be legal to do so, just as Bush chose to declassify the alleged plot against Los Angeles for political reasons. Still, Bush and Cheney are playing fast and loose with the secrets of the country for political gain.
February 12th, 2006 at 5:35 pmBefore we get carried away with Senator Allen consider this:
When asked about Bush’s illegal spying during the same program, Allen responded:
“It is ludicrous to think that you would need to have a warrant before you try to get intelligence or intercept or determine, detect, what the terrorists may be doing.”
The Constitution was just a piece of paper to King George the Dumb but Allen considers it a ludicrous piece of paper.
This clown can’t be serious!
February 12th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#8 - CTB,
The quote:
“It is ludicrous to think that you would need to have a warrant before you try to get intelligence or intercept or determine, detect, what the terrorists may be doing.â€
is a bit distorting. You do not need a warrant before, but you better be damn sure to get one within the next 72 hours.
February 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pmComment by Rick
Questions to ponder:
February 12th, 2006 at 5:54 pmThanks, RMP! You remind me of CarlLevinforpresident, previous poster.
February 12th, 2006 at 5:54 pmMax-1 (#4),
You missed a possible scenario: Cheney shoots a Texas Lawyer impersonating one of his (Cheney’s) predecesors (Quayle) and starts US Civil War II. The county is divided, not along the Mason-Dixon Line but along the crude oil distribution line. Those that profit from the line on one side (Users) and those that are gouged by the former on the other (Usees). King George the Dumb steps in and calls all his sycophants to join the fray. They would have been successful except that the only one associated with KGtD interested in intelligence (personal not spy) instead of politics was out of the country attending the Winter Olympics at the expense of the Usees and got inundated with the avalanche of common sense. The Usees prevail when, during the final heated battle, there is the second coming of Fitzmas and all the Users are sent to Leavenworth. And we all lived happily ever after for awhile at least.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:06 pmRead NYT online….
February 12th, 2006 at 6:16 pmCheney shoots fellow hunter. In the face no less!
oops!
February 12th, 2006 at 6:17 pmOH YEAH,CLYDE’S RIGHT, ALLEN’S NOT STANDING ON PRINCIPLE HERE.
HOWEVER, HE IS STANDING ON POLITICS, AND HE KNOWS THE SAFE BET FOR 2008 IS TO GET ON RECORD IN FAVOR OF AN INVESTIGATION.
HOPEFULLY, OTHER REPUBLICANS WILL MAKE THE SAME POLITICAL CALCULATION. THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME REAL FUN.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:22 pmCheney will leave office for medical reasons. And to “spend more time with the family.”
February 12th, 2006 at 6:27 pmWhile you seem to be suddenly so keen in impeachment, why don´t you draw a list of candidates, it can´t take you longer than a small city phone book. You could start from the head , since there is where fish start roting. So, let´s see: Bush for being a serial liar,violating the law, starting by the constitution, and for mass murder- more or less the same Saddam did with his father´s help. Cheney on the same counts, besides swindling the country through his business associates. Both branches of Congress for needed accomplices, for taking dirty money and for conciously lying to their constituencies. The military- industrial complex, for the reasons Einsenhower told the country almost 50 years ago.The oil industry (you dont have to think much for reasons to despise them) The press in general for deceit and wilfull lying.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:31 pmAnd last but not least, the people of the US, who are reponsable for their choices, but bare the rest of the world to suffer it
hey nico, judd - why no comments at the Hagel thread, huh???
some kind of weirdness happening with other postings too…
February 12th, 2006 at 6:32 pmAnyone know why the comments are shut down on the Hagel post?
February 12th, 2006 at 6:40 pmBush Bites and Alan,
You both are perceptive in predicting the actions of the rats leaving the ship.
Bush is history! His attempt to get the the term limits for President changed to King for life by declaring yet another illegal war with Iraq while holding hands, literally, metaphorically, and erotically, with the Saudis will fail dismally. All the other Wannabees are buzzing about the honey bucket, pun intended, hoping to pick up a morsel or two.
The major problem they have is that at least 60% (given the current polls) of the American Public who are the Usees, will, at some point of time, tell the Users to “Go to Hell.” I will place my bet at the usual odds, $20 to a glass of warm pee, that the point in time will come no later than the Second Tuesday of November of the Two Thousand and Sixth year of our Lord. And should I win I will also reciprocate with a CLEAN glass of GOOD BUBBLY.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:49 pmCHENEY JUST SHOT HIS FRIEND
He shoots before looking only to find out he has hit the wrong target. http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ nm/ 20060212/ ts_nm/ cheney_accident_dc Yup, Cheney shot at the wrong target and people got hurt. Sound familiar? We still haven’t found any WMD in Iraq and al Qaeda is laughing all the way home.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:54 pmshould be a good 60minutes program tonight…
February 12th, 2006 at 6:54 pmgonna talk about war profits and the missing 8mil (or is it bil.?)
Dear Cleaner, Put down the latest “info” packed edition of the Nation and pick up Georges Sada’s book “Saddam’s Secret’s” - interesting take on the WMD’s many of you laugh and snicker at….
February 12th, 2006 at 7:16 pmkaty,
It is $8 Billion.
Hell, the Bush administration blows its collective nose with $1 million bills.
Disclaimer for trolls:
I understand that the US Treasury’s largest note to date has been the $10,000 bill and only a couple hundred were ever produced. The above claim about Bush and friends blowing the nose on money was an attempt to lighting up the fact that they have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal war. Thank you.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:28 pmCome on mighty aphrodite, how can we laugh at something that didn’t exist. We lkaugh at the fact that republicans still think they existed in the first place.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:29 pmMafrodity, have you checked out Mahablog.com, sounds like it’s right up yours, sorry, your alley.Thanks for mentioning the book.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:32 pmcleaner,
The other important fact in the Cheney stroy about shooting his friend is that:
New York Times
February 12, 2006
Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter
Cheney’s tried to cover it up. If it wasn’t for the local paper actually doing some work and reporting on stuff, this would have been swept under the rug.
These guys will cover up anything.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:32 pm#8
That’s more like the George Allen I’m familiar with. He’s tight with the freeper crowd and the imperialist crowd. Despite what he said, he’ll never actually vote to hold Bush or Cheney accountable for their illegal activities. He has to appease the Americans who know what Bush and Cheney are criminals if he wants to be president since most rational people know that Bush and Cheney are criminals.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:33 pmMA your continuing rant about WMD’s is laughable to me since my job in the US Army was the handling of explosive ordinance including WMD and I did this job in 1991 in the first gulf war, there is no way any significant amount of WMD’s could have been transferred to Syria or Iran or anywhere else with out the US military knowing about it given the satellite surveillance and a military ground surveillance program known as JSIDS, where EVERY and I mean EVERY ground vehicle is tracked by radar. Air transport? Try AWACS, tracks ALL air traffic us and them, given transponders we can isolate unknowns and track them, why does the admin remain so silent on this info, because a book that leaves out standard military tracking procedures is only credible to those who NEVER served, and thus know little if not nothing about our actual capabilities
February 12th, 2006 at 7:35 pmLet’s put the quote into reality.
Of course, he didn’t say that, but it is what he should have said.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:38 pmI think I-Right-I caused the Hagel thread to be terminated!
February 12th, 2006 at 7:41 pmHe got too nasty and vulgar > lol.
Dick Cheney:
Loose cannon.
Trigger happy.
Is he really someone we can trust with our military arsenal?
February 12th, 2006 at 7:43 pmSo, you are saying rather than ban I-RIGHT-I, they closed the comments on what should be THE most important thread of the day, so we are left with George Allen alluded to an ivestigation of CHeney and Cheney shot somebody in the face?
Sigh…..
February 12th, 2006 at 7:49 pmHey chaek it out, George Bush skiing:
February 12th, 2006 at 7:52 pmI’m confussed…. IRI can call everyone names, and make the thread go south but he is approved to submit posts without having to put in a 4 character code? I’m really confussed now.
February 12th, 2006 at 7:56 pmhere, speaking of loose lips…. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11279032/site/newsweek/
February 12th, 2006 at 8:00 pmIt may be so Spudge_Boy > thinkprogress makes the decisions on here > we just get to post!
February 12th, 2006 at 8:01 pmthe fly-man,
Good piece. I found the last two paragrphs to be the best:
February 12th, 2006 at 8:10 pmThe commentary on the Hagel forum is about Dick Cheney shooting the 78 year old man. When I posted something a few minutes ago, I got a white screen with black text that said something about WARNING and something that looked like profanity… What is up? Are there glitches with the new spyware the CIA has been monitoring us with?
February 12th, 2006 at 8:28 pmSpudge, roger that, Hat Tip to the Huff Po.
February 12th, 2006 at 8:29 pmTalk To The Hand…
Democrat and Republican Call on Fitzgerald: Probe Cheney in leak
Seriously, if any Washington politicians want to call and offer me advice in this case - My direct line is 555-1212.
“Senator George Allen (R-VA) expressed confidence in Fitzgerald, whom he called “a very articulate, professional prosecutor.” FYI, his father coached the Redskins, that is too cool!
“I think this calls into question in terms of Fitzgerald’s investigation of the conduct of the vice president and others,” Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) said. “I think he has to look closely at their behavior.”
Timeline of leak .
February 12th, 2006 at 8:35 pmPS: Anyone with new evidence or who wants to testify - call the DOJ anytime and ask for Fitzgerald, Patrick Fitzgerald.
Talk To The Hand…
Democrat and Republican Call on Fitzgerald: Probe Cheney in leak
Seriously, if any Washington politicians want to call and offer me advice in this case - My direct line is 555-1212.
Timeline of leak *here*.
PS: Anyone with new evidence or who wants to testify - call the DOJ anytime and ask for Fitzgerald, Patrick Fitzgerald.
February 12th, 2006 at 8:35 pmTalk To The Hand…
Democrat and Republican Call on Fitzgerald: Probe Cheney in leak
Seriously, if any Washington politicians want to call and offer me advice in this case - My direct line is 555-1212.
Timeline of leak -here-.
PS: Anyone with new evidence or who wants to testify - call the DOJ anytime and ask for Fitzgerald, Patrick Fitzgerald.
February 12th, 2006 at 8:36 pmSpudge, here is something you might find interesting. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1605357
February 12th, 2006 at 8:37 pmunbelievable #40 - there are no comments on the hagel forum…
February 12th, 2006 at 8:55 pmsometimes when i post i get a screen with words as in #20 here…
is that what you saw?
#39 I emailed the page to TP asking wtf
February 12th, 2006 at 8:56 pmit happened again when i posted #46…i think that’s why there are so many duplicate posts - i did it 3 times earlier…figured out you just have to disregard that message and refresh…(i think that’s what it’s called)…
February 12th, 2006 at 8:58 pmfrontline just came on here - another “private war contractor” show…
February 12th, 2006 at 9:03 pm60 minutes was good - hope the populace watched and listened…
hmm…frontline or mindless fun with desperate housewives…which will it be?
Flyman is this the same homeland security that thru Fema ran an execcise called PAM in 2004, if it is the internet could be in real trouble
February 12th, 2006 at 9:04 pmto all who want to post, to avoid the glitch just hit post i agree and go some place else when you come back your post will be there , works for me. Good luck, about the Hagel thread, i have no idea.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:09 pmKaty, front line; audio,doable housewives; visual. Cliff I’ll get back to ya give me a minute.Thanks
February 12th, 2006 at 9:13 pmunbelievable #40 - there are no comments on the hagel forum…
sometimes when i post i get a screen with words as in #20 here…
is that what you saw?
Comment by katy — February 12, 2006 @ 8:55 pm
That’s weird. I see 39 comments and it’s about Cheney shooting that guy.
If I go back and refresh, my posts appear also. If I try to resend it says “Looks like you’ve already said that”.
No clue. I’m a computer science moron…
Thanks Clif, maybe they’ll respond.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:14 pmGEORGE ALLEN ! Virginia hate your guts !
Avoid this flip flopping , Fascist loving Bushbot like the Plague !
He is Incompetent , Fascist , Arrogant and Hypocritical / two faced ! Most of hate him here in VA !
February 12th, 2006 at 9:22 pmCliff, thanks for the link to the PAM exercise, the line in the sheltering paragraph is the winner,; first sentence,:The interagency shelter group identified the need for about 1,000 shelters for a catastrophic disater. The main question I have had is why did Director Chertoff not declare Katrina a catastrophy?
February 12th, 2006 at 9:23 pmunblievable #54 - you’re correct - i meant to say: “Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.” …the last post was 4+ hours ago…
not sure what you mean fly-man - “front line; audio,doable housewives; visual.”
February 12th, 2006 at 9:23 pmand i’m still here because i wanted to post on another thread…i hear frontline in the background…sounds depressing, nothing i didn’t already know…think it’s time for the housewives…
later…
Here is a tangent of sorts. Ive always wondered what it would take , event wise , for the government to shut down GPS. Here is a link for something else but related.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:27 pmhttp://seclists.org/ lists/ politech/ 2003/ Oct/ 0054.html
OKay, off topic, but I needed to vent:
Their Own Version of a Big Bang
Those who believe in creationism — children and adults — are being taught to challenge evolution’s tenets in an in-your-face way.
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
WAYNE, N.J. — Evangelist Ken Ham smiled at the 2,300 elementary students packed into pews, their faces rapt. With dinosaur puppets and silly cartoons, he was training them to reject much of geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology as a sinister tangle of lies.
“Boys and girls,” Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, “you put your hand up and you say, ‘Excuse me, were you there?’ Can you remember that?”
The children roared their assent.
“Sometimes people will answer, ‘No, but you weren’t there either,’ ” Ham told them. “Then you say, ‘No, I wasn’t, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.’ ” He waved his Bible in the air.
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ science/ la-na-creation11feb11,0,1110748.story?coll=la-home-headlines
And people wonder why we have a gaping shortage of Science teachers… and our country is losing its competitive edge… I’m not anti-God, as an Atheist, but I am definitely anti-organized religion and this is partly why.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:27 pmKaty, to me ideally it would be good to watch Desperate house wives and listen to the Front line piece, isn’t Will Lyman the guy with the voice? I have never watched DHW so it would be Front line for me.Sorry about the feeble attempt to be funny.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:31 pmCNN is reporting on Cheney accidentally shooting a guy with a shotgun blast to the head > guy will live but he may have lost an eye! Dick claims he did not see the guy while he was shooting at birds on a private ranch! CNN says Secret Service guys and Cheney’s personal medical attendants rushed the man to a hospital!
February 12th, 2006 at 9:42 pmhe commentary on the Hagel forum is about Dick Cheney shooting the 78 year old man. When I posted something a few minutes ago, I got a white screen with black text that said something about WARNING and something that looked like profanity… What is up? Are there glitches with the new spyware the CIA has been monitoring us with?
Comment by unbelievable — February 12, 2006 @ 8:28 pm
Yeh same here..says F__Kwhit =)
February 12th, 2006 at 9:46 pmYes post 61 I get that same warning whenever I post > it is some kind of hacker attack on thinkprogress to try to stop postings or piss off people!
February 12th, 2006 at 9:51 pmGeorge Allen’s daddy wasn’t a very good football coach either. It’s a damn shame John Madden didn’t have a Senator for a son. Bill Cowher’s daughter could be our first woman President. No King George the Dumb you don’t have a Queen (The Saudi lady you were holding hands with excepted) or two princesses.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:54 pmHey Guys, it worked for me last time. Maybe I just posted something good.
February 12th, 2006 at 9:56 pmThe problems with posting should be fixed. Let me know if they aren’t.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:02 pmPost 63 I mean lol > missed the count!
February 12th, 2006 at 10:03 pmDon’t get too excited about Allen’s comments regarding investigating Cheney. He is running for president in 2008 and will probably get the nomination (at this point he is the front runner), so he is merely setting himself up to be in the position in case there is an investigation, which would turn out badly for Bush, Cheney &Co. If there is no investigation, his carefully chosen words have him covered, and if there is an investigation, those same words will have him covered with the voters who support the White Hosue.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:15 pmJudd,
February 12th, 2006 at 10:44 pmPosts work like a charm now.
Congratulations everybody. You have turned MA into a hit and run troll. And MA, you do realize you have become obsolete right?
February 12th, 2006 at 10:48 pmThe front page counters are off though.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:49 pm#69 Marie
The link to your site does not work. Is this intentional? Over the last few months I have had some complimentary comments I would have preferred to deliver in somethimg less than the public forum here.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:51 pmSorry Clyde. For some reason, my name is highlighted as if I had my own website — I don’t - never did. I once asked Tp about it. I don’t have an answer. I do appreciate the good thoughts, though, as I enjoy your comments as well.
February 12th, 2006 at 11:12 pmMarie,
February 12th, 2006 at 11:23 pmYou have info in the URL line - http://mhandrh/. Just blank it out and all should be OK.
Thanks, Walt.
February 12th, 2006 at 11:26 pmMarie,
February 12th, 2006 at 11:28 pmSee, it worked. Just ask an old fart.
Marie,
I suspect I am older than dirt except that Walt may very well be the oldest fart. If either of you, or any others for that matter, would like to start some secondary conversations just click on Clyde and with a little concentration you will be here with me. Looking forward to hearing from you all, as opposed to the Bushco Y’all.
February 12th, 2006 at 11:36 pmClyde,
February 12th, 2006 at 11:48 pmI am wary that you might be Gary. This site is protected somewhat. Allah Akbar.
unbelievable, #60, that story is…un- …just weird…
February 12th, 2006 at 11:49 pmand the next time any of the wackos talk about the left “forcing” our ways onto them, show them that story…might shut ‘em up…
hypocrites…
unbelievable,
I am not sure I can even read that whole story. I started to throw up in my mouth just a little bit.
Just a big hairy, stinky, hangin’ ten, off the wall, creepy, in your face, out of control, unstoppable, totally isane, out of this world, livin’ on a pray, spinning out of control, low down, next to impossible, cork screwing, goin’ around the bend, hedaing South…
February 13th, 2006 at 12:01 amSpudge try dealing with the Amish when they tell you with a straight face that God put both the oil and dinosaur bones in the ground to fool the unbelievers, I just shrug my shoulders. No sense in talking to the trees.
February 13th, 2006 at 12:14 amYes, because when the unbelievers use nuclear weapons to blow each other up over oil, the fall out will magically by pass their part of the country.
February 13th, 2006 at 12:18 amIf the Amish wanted to avoid electricity as defined by their religion, they would have to commit mass suicide. Almost all of life’s and nature’s processes involve the transfer or excitation of electrons. So that lantern swinging behind the horse drawn wagon is emitting light because electrons are excited as carbon and hydrogen compounds are disassembled and recombined with oxygen.
February 13th, 2006 at 1:06 amWalt one of my better friends is a farmer who I help out sometimes, and he always remarks that they can’t “own” a car but can “rent ” his if he drives. Some of the Amish here do live really close to their traditional practice but another group that arrived from Ohio almost a decade ago I have nicknamed “urban-amish” due to their adopting many of the modern life objects but riding their horse and buggy to sunday meetings. The “urban-amish” pay for chauferred rides like city taxis. I live in a small rural county and there are 20 Amish taxis in business.
February 13th, 2006 at 1:39 amUrban-Amish sounds like a sitcom.
February 13th, 2006 at 2:10 amAround here sometimes it is. Given the animosity between the southern baptists and the amish
February 13th, 2006 at 2:28 amThere is another Social Security plan forthcoming called the Liebman-MacGuineas-Samwick proposal. Look for an analysis of it at http://www.cbo.gov
February 13th, 2006 at 7:11 am#I’m confussed…. IRI can call everyone names, and make the thread go south but he is approved to submit posts without having to put in a 4 character code? I’m really confussed now.
Comment by RemoveBush — February 12, 2006 @ 7:56 pm
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mr IRI lost it. mr IRI hate ate him
mr hos say mr Gingrich Say Bush Failure..
February 13th, 2006 at 7:13 ammr ho say mr Jonah Golberg say Mr bush like pimp..
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katy and Spudge,
I could hardly read the thing myself. It makes me sick. And you’re right - they falsely accuse us of waging wars on Christmas and Jesus… guess we know why now. Sheesh.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:41 amyes, probe Cheney… preferably anally…
February 13th, 2006 at 9:33 am[…] Dick Cheney Accidentally Shoots Hunter In Face And Chest With Shotgun. In an unrelated story, Focus Of CIA Leak Investigation Could Turn Towards Cheney. […]
February 13th, 2006 at 11:26 amMore Rovian ropeadope. The key term is “superiors.” This is intended to divert attention around the person responsible and the one who is setting this trap.
February 13th, 2006 at 11:42 amIt’s all becoming clear to me now…
…at first I was afraid that the Bushites were trying to do away with the legal profession altogether…
…what with their legislation against frivolous lawsuits and all…
…but now I understand fully…
…hell, they knew they would need every available legal mind in the country…
…to investigate, prosecute, and adjudicate all of Bushiva’s and L’il Dick’s missteps, and their resultant legal woes…
February 13th, 2006 at 1:01 pmmust read…this is just part…striking, amazing, scary…
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/13.html#a7140
We fought the Soviets and I fought the Soviets because they had a fatally flawed, intolerable system of government where (and think about this):
The government was always right and never apologized;
Any dissent was suppressed, ridiculed, banned or worse;
Secret prisons were denied and never acknowledged or spoken about;
The torture of captives (in Lubyanka) was condoned;
State incarceration was not subject to the checks and balances of a legal system;
Economic plans, like for oil, were established/determined in closed sessions between politicos, commissars and production managers, far outside public view, and where government claimed privilege in so doing;
Wages were set at the lowest common denominator, no matter what Bloc country you were in;
Government agents had access to your medical records, your library records, your telephone, and your e-mail.
A place where judicial power and judicial review were proclaimed concepts, but simply ignored in application;
Where criminal records of young adults were closed to all but the military;
Where a Constitution was a mere facade and ignored by state actors.
Any dissent, debate and protest were deemed unpatriotic;
The public media was bought, paid for, and provided by the state;
The military clandestinely and shamelessly influenced the national media and public opinion;
A place where wrong was declared right;
Where tapping a phone was like tapping a pencil;
Where lying was considered a patriotic skill;
The extraction of natural resources was paramount to any concern for the environment and the impact on the health of its people;
Where the use of “state secrets,†(those things embarrassing to the government) were confused with legitimate issues of “national securityâ€;
A place where “secrecy” and “national security” were used to control debate;
Where legitimate secrecy, was subject to political use and abuse;
Where “legislators” were mere mouthpieces for and rubberstamps of whoever was in power;
Where you lived and died with the permission of the government;
A place where foreign policy was more important than domestic concerns;
Where fear was used as a political weapon and an acceptable means of control;
Where the best medical care was reserved for the influential;
Where wealth was concentrated in the top 5%;
A place where there was no middle class - just a small economic and political elite, and the working poor.
The Soviet Union- A people’s paradise where the people were in control of their state - but we here in America knew better and we fought the Soviet system with everything we had because we could not endure a Soviet style system here in the United States.
February 13th, 2006 at 2:01 pm“The Soviet Union- A people’s paradise where the people were in control of their state - but we here in America knew better and we fought the Soviet system with everything we had because we could not endure a Soviet style system here in the United States.” - katy
******Dear Katy - Stop re-writing history - progressives DID NOTHING to fight the Soviets!!!! They did (and still do) love Gorbachev. Between Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II, the Soviets toppled. They got spent out of existence by Reagan (who understood the precarious economy of collectivism) - and morally imploded because of a religious man.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:22 pmaphro - those are not MY words…guess i should’ve used ” ” for those of your ilk…
February 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pmyou seem to lose the gist though: “…because we could not endure a Soviet style system here in the United States”- and yet here we are… you don’t - won’t - see the parallel…
but good to see you give thatcher and the pope semi-equal billing with reagan…i tend to give the citizens a great deal of credit also…
and about that spending out of existence - seems the same thing is happening here…another parallel…osama & co. are pleased with your neo-con heroes.
read the story.
when are you going to answer my other posts to you? not holding my breath…
This is just another trivial event blown out of proportion to attack Bush. You know, I should be a paid Donk strategist or stratigeriest. You guys NEVER pick up on the Bush administrations real blunders and BuLLshi’ite.
This is a big one. This is a real big one. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Bush Administration is not serious about national security. We’ve got wide open borders with watering stations for potential terrorists already. Now we’ve got the Muslim Enemy operating our f’ing ports. This is every bit as bad as losing control of the Panama Canal, another security blunder from our political elites. If there are no portable nukes in the hands of terrorists in this country right now there soon will be.
Sometimes I wonder what the real agenda of the Bush Bashing First Team is. How could you boys let this one go?
United Arab Emirates firm to operate six major U.S. ports
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Monday, February 13, 2006
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has approved a deal in which a United Arab Emirates company would operate six major ports in the United States.
A U.S. government panel has determined that the UAE firm, DP World, would not endanger national security.
February 13th, 2006 at 6:39 pmDP World, based in Dubai, has offered $6.8 billion for the purchase of a British firm that operates the ports of Baltimore, Miami, New York, New Jersey, New Orleans and Philadelphia, Middle East Newsline reported
http://www.worldtribune.com/ worldtribune/ 06/ front2453780.0986111113.html
what’r'u hiding over here for, IRI…
February 13th, 2006 at 6:50 pmthat came up on another thread hours ago…
pretty shitty what your guys are doing, huh…
katy - I “got the gist” - I was just amused how you (and those of your ilk) could tailor your civil liberty fears to national security concerns. But as a recovering “liberal”, I am aware of the mental gymnastics required to be a prog.
February 13th, 2006 at 7:58 pmYou guys NEVER pick up on the Bush administrations real blunders and BuLLshi’ite.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 13, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
So you admit that Bush makes blunders (plural)???
Are you feeling okay?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:11 pmBut as a recovering “liberalâ€, I am aware of the mental gymnastics required to be a prog.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 13, 2006 @ 7:58 pm
You, liberal and mental in the same sentance. Funny. I didn’t know you could be funny. Guess everyone gets lucky every now and again.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:13 pmYou guys NEVER pick up on the Bush administrations real blunders and BuLLshi’ite.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 13, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
So you admit that Bush makes blunders (plural)???
Are you feeling okay?
Comment by unbelievable
You need to understand something. Aside from the slight social conservative frosting of the Republicans and the Radical Left peanuts of the Democrats the political cake is one cake with two layers that in essence are the same. Both parties sign on to the big issues and only later quibble about details and issue retractions and clarifications to make themselves seem different. John Kerry was for the war in Iraq, so was Hillary Clinton just as much as Bush and Co. There is little to distinguish them from one another other and even the special interests who still know enough to contribute to both parties.
Of course George blunders. He blunders with bi-partisan support over the border issue. He blunders with bi-partisan support over Iraq and dealing with the radical elements of Islam. He blunders by allowing the USA to fund the massive Red Chinese military build up, again with bi-partisan support. And he blundered by allowing a Muslim country with ties to radical Islam to take possession of our ports the same way Bill Clinton blundered by allowing Red China to acquire advanced ICBM components and to control our only means of getting war ships and war material from one ocean to the other through the Panama Canal.
We are in a heap of trouble and all you Leftist losers can think about is what a wonderful world it would be without George Bush. You are being taken for a ride. You read it here first.
A Chinese company with close ties to the Beijing Communist government was planning to take over the operation of the Panama Canal, a secret government report revealed.
And according to Adm. Thomas Moorer, with facilities at both ends of the canal and an agreement with the Panamanian government, Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. has the ability to all but control the strategic waterway.
The company has long-term 25-year leases on the ports at each end of the Canal. They are run by the Panama Ports Co., a Hutchison Whampoa subsidiary.
Last November President Clinton almost let the Chinese cat out of the bag when he appeared to agree that the Chinese firm would be running the canal, but after his staff realized the extent of what he’d revealed, he pulled back, saying that he’d “misstated this.â€
Asked by a reporter, “You’re not worried about the Chinese controlling the Canal?” Mr. Clinton replied: “I think the Chinese will, in fact, be bending over backwards to make sure that they run it in a competent and able and fair manner…. I would be very surprised if any adverse consequences flowed from the Chinese running the canal.”
The following day, December 1, Los Angeles Times staff writer Norman Kempster wrote that “Clinton administration officials were aghast at the president’s use of the phrase ‘running the canal,’†which confirmed what Adm. Moorer and his allies were charging. ” On December 9, Mr. Clinton stated that his reference the previous week to China “running the canal” was a “misstatement.”
The release of the report is sure to give impetus to congressional efforts to nullify the treaty that handed the canal over to Panama — a treaty which Rep. Helen Chenoweth-Hage (R-Idaho) insists is not binding on the United States.
The Army intelligence report declassified after a Freedom of Information request from Judicial Watch, a conservative public interest law firm, flatly contradicted Clinton’s claim and those of the Panamanian government that the company would have no role in the operation of the canal, a fact easily dismissed in the light of an agreement between Hutchison Whampoa and Panama that gives the company the right to choose the pilots who take the ships through the canal.
“It’s one more piece of evidence that the Clinton administration was lying about Communist Chinese intentions in Panama,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton told the Washington Times.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:51 ampretty shitty what your guys are doing, huh…
Comment by katy
Yep, it’s pretty shitty what all of our guys are doing. I’m waiting for John Kerry and Ted the Swimmer to raise an objection to Boston harbor and Hillary to say something about New York City and Boxer and Pelosi to get uncomfortable about LA and San Francisco. Still waiting. You be sure and let me know if you hear anything.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:57 am“It’s one more piece of evidence that the Clinton administration was lying about Communist Chinese intentions in Panama,†Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton told the Washington Times.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #103
Inexorable-wRetched-Ingrate,
…my how you inbreds love living in the past…
…was Bill Clinton the last words you remember your father muttering before he abandoned you and your mom?
..as in , “fu*kin’ Bill Clinton, caught him and that who*ish mother of yours in flagrant dilecti (sic)”…
…as for that bi-partisanship sh*t and Bushiva’s wartime blunders…
…eat it!
…you won remember?
February 14th, 2006 at 1:16 pmWe are in a heap of trouble and all you Leftist losers can think about is what a wonderful world it would be without George Bush. You are being taken for a ride. You read it here first.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 14, 2006 @ 10:51 am
I guess you’ve missed my rants about the entire system - including both Clintons, Kerry and Carter - as well as many in Congress and Senate today. I don’t disagree with you at all. It’s what brought me here in the first place. And it’s what gets me figuratively shot at by some liberals as well, because I give Bill Clinton just as much blame as credit for things he did (well, and because I speak to you). I think the whole system is in trouble and we need to fix it. I don’t know how. Had hoped someone in here might. But even those who have any inkling have no authority or voice. We’re all in a sinking ship, and very few people even seem to care. So if you have any ideas, I’m listening. I want to make a difference, I just don’t know how.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:27 pmAnd it’s what gets me figuratively shot at by some liberals as well, because I give Bill Clinton just as much blame as credit for things he did (well, and because I speak to you).
Yep, I wouldn’t talk to me either if I could help it.
We’re all in a sinking ship, and very few people even seem to care. So if you have any ideas, I’m listening. I want to make a difference, I just don’t know how.
Comment by unbelievable
The first step is to understand what a bunch of losers mankind really is. The second step is to understand why. Step one and step two can be accomplished by picking up your Bible and learning about what it means to be a fallen creature in a fallen world. Once you get all that down you begin to understand what you can and can not do about things. Shake well, pour over ice, sit back and relax. Your troubles aren’t over but they become less stressful.
Interesting note: The single perfect form of government for man will (according to my Bible) occur when Jesus Christ returns as King. The Bible states that for 1000 years Christ will reign. There will be no war, no injustice, no hunger, no natural disasters, everything will be the perfect Utopia mankind has dreamed of. There will be no death. Yet even under the most perfect circumstances unregenerate mankind still rebels against perfect government and perfect life. There is no rest for the wicked and there is no pleasing the Walking Dead.
Now, I believe all that and because I do I know there is only one answer for our country. That is for a majority of men and women who would be free in a free liberal democracy to become regenerated human beings. We must become better people and that is not possible outside the Grace and indwelling Spirit of God and the love of Jesus Christ.
Those who say I’m wrong certainly can not point to an example to prove there is any other way. I on the other hand can point to the mostly Christian people who first started this experiment and their Christian legacy we for the most part have abandoned to our own destruction. We were once a much better people as were the people of Europe.
Now you know what you have to do.
February 14th, 2006 at 5:24 pmNow you know what you have to do.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 14, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Stop talking to you?
I tried it your way before, and it didn’t work so well. There is no such thing as perfect life, and if there were, you’d be the first one bored.
Besides, no matter how much you confuse liberalism with hedonism, we aren’t bad people overall. People aren’t the problem - the system is the problem. We need a better system. One that doesn’t work for a few at the expense of many.
Most days, I wonder if this is how Revolutions begin. I’ve walked the halls of The Hermitage and The Louvre, coated in the opulence of middle class blood, sweat and tears. And really, I don’t see that much of a difference anymore.
February 14th, 2006 at 6:15 pmThe first step is to understand what a bunch of losers mankind really is.
That’s the biggest difference between us, you know. You think were inherently bad and we need to be saved; I think we’re drowning ourselves at the expense of ideology.
How do we find a compromise? Because really, if we can do that - maybe there’s still hope. Not for a theocracy - but for a true democracy that allows you to go to the church of your choice every Sunday, and not the one the government sends you to (might be Catholic).
February 14th, 2006 at 6:21 pmNow you know what you have to do.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 14, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Stop talking to you? I tried it your way before, and it didn’t work so well. There is no such thing as perfect life, and if there were, you’d be the first one bored
Comment by unbelievable —
What’s with these damn numbers? I can’t get rid of them. Don’t do that.
Stop talking to me? Yeah, right. I’m worse than a $1000 dollar a day coke habit. You didn’t try you were a nominal Roman Catholic and didn’t know how. You went through the rituals and did it by the numbers. How many Hail Mary’s did you rack up? That’s not what I’m talking about.
Besides, no matter how much you confuse liberalism with hedonism, we aren’t bad people overall. People aren’t the problem - the system is the problem. We need a better system. One that doesn’t work for a few at the expense of many.
I’m not confusing liberalism with hedonism. I’m giving you a universal truth. Bad isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about fallen and intrinsically sinful. People are the problem, they’ve always been the problem and the proof of the pudding is how far we’ve devolved. We’re smarter, tougher and better in a lot of ways than we’ve ever been but we are less wise. The fact that mankind has destroyed over 100,000,000 people in the last one hundred years is proof of that. Our mind altering drug bill is proof of that. Our abortion rate is proof of that. Our seemingly insatiable lust for sex and violence is proof of that. Don’t tell me it’s the system or I’ll have to get rough with you and I just promised Judd I’d be good. (Had my fingers crossed though)
Just so everybody knows, Judd banned me for about an hour for being bad. Then I called my little sister whom he is dating and we got it all straightened out. No harm, no foul. Sis, if you are reading this, you are a wicked wench.
Most days, I wonder if this is how Revolutions begin. I’ve walked the halls of The Hermitage and The Louvre, coated in the opulence of middle class blood, sweat and tears. And really, I don’t see that much of a difference anymore.
There was no middle class at that time love. It was all financed by the global elite on the backs of the working poor and the conquered. It was actually the dissolute sons of the elite and the radicals of the academic class that stirred up the passions of the Walking Dead Losers that brought them down. Hitler used the same tactics.
The first step is to understand what a bunch of losers mankind really is.
That’s the biggest difference between us, you know. You think were inherently bad and we need to be saved; I think we’re drowning ourselves at the expense of ideology.
We do need to be saved, from ourselves and that was the primary work of Christ. Of course we are drowning in ideology, that’s what people do when they try to fill that God sized vacuum in their heart.
How do we find a compromise? Because really, if we can do that - maybe there’s still hope. Not for a theocracy - but for a true democracy that allows you to go to the church of your choice every Sunday, and not the one the government sends you to (might be Catholic).
The Founding Fathers of this country devised that compromise. What we have done is bastardized the freedom of conscience they practiced and gave us and turned it into a freedom from conscience. As I’ve said, It’s a people problem and Jesus Christ (though you have no clue what I’m talking about) is the answer.
For a slight fee and other possible considerations I might be persuaded you take you under my wing…so to speak.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:07 pmWhat’s with these damn numbers? I can’t get rid of them. Don’t do that.
Numbers? What numbers? Don’t do what?
Stop talking to me? Yeah, right. I’m worse than a $1000 dollar a day coke habit.
If you say so… I told you, I’ve not done drugs.
You didn’t try you were a nominal Roman Catholic and didn’t know how. You went through the rituals and did it by the numbers. How many Hail Mary’s did you rack up? That’s not what I’m talking about.
How many Catholic churches do you think were in rural Georgia in the 1970s and 80s? From 8 until my senior year in college, I went to an assortment of Protestant services from non-denominational to hard core Southern Baptist. The first college I went to was a private Methodist college. I know very little about Catholic dogma or ritual as I never got past my first Communion. And I didn’t go back to Catholic services until my senior year in college, when it was my last attempt. Nothing else was working for me, so I thought I’d give Catholicism another try.
So, if I don’t know, then tell me specifically what you are talking about?
I’m not confusing liberalism with hedonism.
Okay not confusing - but you do equate the two. And if anyone is hedonistic, it’s the women in your Bible Study group, not the Atheist who won’t recognize is more moral - by free choice.
I’m giving you a universal truth.
But you know I don’t operate that way. Prove it to me. I’m not being condescending here. It’s why I gave up the search for god. I have not found proof. Prove it to me. In terms that make sense - not blind faith and emotions. But in logic and science and humanity.
Bad isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about fallen and intrinsically sinful.
You say intrinsically sinful, and I say intrinsically human. You think we need to be fixed, and I think we need to fix the system to accommodate human behavior.
People are the problem, they’ve always been the problem and the proof of the pudding is how far we’ve devolved.
So, does this mean you recognize evolution? Just don’t know your position on it.
We’re smarter, tougher and better in a lot of ways than we’ve ever been but we are less wise. The fact that mankind has destroyed over 100,000,000 people in the last one hundred years is proof of that. Our mind altering drug bill is proof of that. Our abortion rate is proof of that. Our seemingly insatiable lust for sex and violence is proof of that.
I don’t think our self-destructive nature is a result of sin or badness or de-evolution. I think it’s a result of stress. For one, we have too many people competing for a limited number of resources (land, food, water, money, jobs, love, etc.). As a result, we have to become highly competitive (getting other people fired, stealing some else’s food, starting wars over oil… and I agree, it is only going to become much, much worse).
Unless we wake up and do something about the escalating human population on this planet. Things weren’t like this when we were kids. And it’s not a result of Satan or sin or immorality - it’s a result of the population having doubled. And if it doubles again by 2025, we’re going to be in real trouble.
Don’t tell me it’s the system or I’ll have to get rough with you and I just promised Judd I’d be good. (Had my fingers crossed though)
It’s the system. (You should know better by now than to expect obedience). You don’t scare me tough guy. And you know why :).
Just so everybody knows, Judd banned me for about an hour for being bad. Then I called my little sister whom he is dating and we got it all straightened out. No harm, no foul. Sis, if you are reading this, you are a wicked wench.
Are you serious? It would explain A LOT if you are.
There was no middle class at that time love. It was all financed by the global elite on the backs of the working poor and the conquered. It was actually the dissolute sons of the elite and the radicals of the academic class that stirred up the passions of the Walking Dead Losers that brought them down. Hitler used the same tactics.
And our middle class is shrinking every year, until we too will be without one.
Explains why authority figures dislike me. I question them, and incite my peers to do the same.
We do need to be saved, from ourselves and that was the primary work of Christ. Of course we are drowning in ideology, that’s what people do when they try to fill that God sized vacuum in their heart.
I think Jesus, if he was a real person (I don’t know either way), was not a savior, but a philosopher. And in that regard, I am more Christian than most of the people you see every Sunday. You know it, you just don’t like it.
Please show me where this God-sized vacuum in the heart is. I do not have it.
The Founding Fathers of this country devised that compromise.
Yes. Agreed.
What we have done is bastardized the freedom of conscience they practiced and gave us and turned it into a freedom from conscience. As I’ve said, It’s a people problem and Jesus Christ (though you have no clue what I’m talking about) is the answer.
I disagree about the freedom from conscience in the masses. I think most people are honorable, and those who aren’t are the ones drawn to power. And that’s our problem.
For a slight fee and other possible considerations I might be persuaded you take you under my wing…so to speak.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 14, 2006 @ 10:07 pm
We both know what you really want. And you think that if you could just get me to believe, you’d have it.
February 15th, 2006 at 12:46 pmWe both know what you really want. And you think that if you could just get me to believe, you’d have it.
Comment by unbelievable
Uh uh. :-)
February 15th, 2006 at 3:18 pmUh uh. :-)
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 15, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
‘No’ would have required less effort. I’ll be surprised if you didn’t strain anything typing in all those extra letters.
Besides, I wasn’t talking about s-e-x.
Are you going to answer any of my questions? Or should I stop bothering to ask any?
February 15th, 2006 at 10:01 pmBesides, I wasn’t talking about s-e-x.
Oh no? Pity.
Are you going to answer any of my questions? Or should I stop bothering to ask any?
Comment by unbelievable
I’m sure I’ll get to at least a couple when I have more time. Are you always this demanding?
February 16th, 2006 at 10:22 amJust so everybody knows, Judd banned me for about an hour for being bad. Then I called my little sister whom he is dating and we got it all straightened out. No harm, no foul. Sis, if you are reading this, you are a wicked wench.
Are you serious? It would explain A LOT if you are.
Comment by unbelievable
Yep, I can imagine you’d like to know why I get cut so much slack. I might be serious. Only Judd, Sissy and myself know for sure.
February 16th, 2006 at 10:55 amOh no? Pity.
Yeah, that’s what I always think people who have everything going for them need more of…
I’m sure I’ll get to at least a couple when I have more time. Are you always this demanding?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 10:22 am
Inject some estrogen and hang out with 15 year olds all day… then ask again. :)
Actually, demands are punctuated with periods or exclamation points. Question marks follow questions. It was a question. I prefer to ask intent rather than assume… and considering how many you’ve ignored in the past, it seemed valid and fair.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:22 pmYep, I can imagine you’d like to know why I get cut so much slack. I might be serious. Only Judd, Sissy and myself know for sure.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 10:55 am
Well, if you’re not gonna answer, then I’ll let it go. I already told you, I don’t like a lot of mystery. I’m still afraid of the dark.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:26 pmAre you always this demanding?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 10:22 am
Hey, wait a minute… you’re complaining about someone actually wanting to hear what you have to say?
Hmmmm. And then you men state that we women are difficult to understand. Now I know why I hang out with 15 year olds all day…
February 16th, 2006 at 12:43 pmHey, wait a minute… you’re complaining about someone actually wanting to hear what you have to say?
Comment by unbelievable
I know you have an ulterior motive.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:33 pmI know you have an ulterior motive.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
S-e-x?
February 16th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI know you have an ulterior motive.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
Such paranoia… No, actually, I don’t. I thought I was clear earlier. But, whatever.
February 16th, 2006 at 5:34 pmSuch paranoia… No, actually, I don’t. I thought I was clear earlier. But, whatever.
Comment by unbelievable
Sex..of course not. I know women your age would rather watch soaps than have sex. I was thinking that you’re just angling for a free meal.
February 16th, 2006 at 6:12 pmSex..of course not. I know women your age would rather watch soaps than have sex. I was thinking that you’re just angling for a free meal.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
You do know that a woman’s sexual peak is at 40 right?
Soaps… are you for real? I’d rather poke my own eyes out with a plastic Wendy’s spoon. I watch The Daily Show, House, Project Runway, and some occasional Discovery Channel or PBS Science or Art special. Other than that, I read political or human interest books - when not grading stuff. I’m dying to go to the new Georgia Aquarium. And, as much as possible, I love to be outside. Landscape photography, scuba diving, anything water related. And I grow a garden in the summer. Nothing like homegrown tomato sauce over pasta… Of course, I had a veggie burger for dinner because that cheeseburger you mentioned earlier this week just made me want one… and it was my compromise.
Free meal? If that’s all you’re worried about, I’ll pay for my own damn dinner - and even yours. I had money as an architect. It’s not what interests me. Never has been. It can’t buy what really matters. And considering what you did on Wednesday, how completely unexpected and cool that was, you know that. You know what I mean. You just can’t accept it coming from an Atheist. I get it. I do now.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:31 pmYou just can’t accept it coming from an Atheist. I get it. I do now.
Comment by unbelievable —
That has nothing to do with nothing. I don’t let the ladies buy and for some reason they don’t argue.
February 17th, 2006 at 10:51 amThat has nothing to do with nothing. I don’t let the ladies buy and for some reason they don’t argue.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 17, 2006 @ 10:51 am
It is everything. It’s the chasm that only you see. I have Christian relatives and friends. I don’t exclude for religion - but you do.
Well you’ve been dating sheep. I am arguing. And that’s what you like about me, or rather what you would like if I just worshipped your God… :P
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