Cheney Was Hunting Illegally When Accident Occurred
Cheney Was Hunting Illegally When Accident Occurred
Thanks to a law introduced by State Rep. Charlie Geren (R) and passed last year, hunters in Texas are required to have an Upland Game Bird Stamp before hunting quail. According to an email ThinkProgress recieved from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokeswoman Lydia Saldaña, Cheney didn’t have one:
A check of TPWD license records indicated that while the Vice President had purchased a valid non-resident hunting license, he had not purchased the required upland game bird stamp.
In other words, Cheney was hunting illegally. Here’s Sec. 43.652 of the code he broke, according to the official accident report pictured above:
(a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person may not hunt a migratory or upland game bird in this state unless the person possesses the appropriate migratory or upland game bird stamp, as applicable, issued to the person by the department
Breaking the law constitutes a Class C violation of Texas Parks and Wildlife Code, meaning Cheney could:
* be fined $25-$500
* face automatic suspension or revocation of licenses for up to 5 years;
* forfeit hunting gear, including firearms, used to commit a violation.
But Cheney is getting off easy. Ms. Saldaña informs ThinkProgress that Cheney was issued a warning citation, which carries no fine or penalty.
UPDATE: Cheney’s office has responded. They claim it’s Texas Parks and Wildlife Department’s fault that Cheney didn’t follow the law:
– A member of the Vice President’s staff wrote a check for 140 dollars understanding that this would purchase a Texas non-resident season hunting license that would permit the Vice President to hunt quail in Texas…The staff asked for all permits needed, but was not informed of the 7 dollar upland game bird stamp requirement. (Via TWN)
Cheney never made a mistake that he couldn’t blame on someone else.
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February 13th, 2006 at 7:50 pmHey Jeff Guckert shot plenty of pugs in the face and…….. he got off.
February 13th, 2006 at 7:53 pmwho were the females on this “hunting trip?” and what was their relationship with the VP and other hunting party members? how much booze was consumed in the party? when wil we ever hear the truth about any of this stuff from these jackasses?
February 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pmNo, no, no…
/sarcasm on
The 9/11 Resolution gave VP Cheney the authority to hunt without a permit -it gave him leeway to use all necessary force in his hunt for terrorists and dead-enders.
Plus, you wouldn’t want to put an unconstitutional limit to his inherent privilege to do as he pleases, would you? That would only embolden the terrorists.
/sarcasm off
February 13th, 2006 at 7:57 pmAnyone else would be looking at the maximum fine and loss of their license – so nice to know that the rules only apply to some… as Orwell put it “some are more equal than others”. Nice to know that justice isn’t blind – it’s had it’s eyes poked out.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:06 pmI’m still concerned I keep hearing conflicting info on how the victim is doing. I’ve heard it said at one point he was 300 yards away when he got shot, which isn’t that big a deal. But the incident report says 30 yards, I think, and that is a very big deal. I think that’s still within the kill-zone. Just how badly has this person been injured?
Later,
February 13th, 2006 at 8:06 pmBTW – Snotty McLellan is a total asshat. HOw does he sleep at night???
February 13th, 2006 at 8:07 pmCicero – notice that he’s not been dragged in front of the media. Wouldn’t the WH do that if he were okay?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:08 pmNEPOTISM . CORRUPTION . FAVOROTISM .
February 13th, 2006 at 8:09 pmExample should be set and bear the full brunt of the law and investigation of possible attempted homocide .
What did karl Rove do today under all of this cover?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:16 pm#7 – Probably with all sorts of fetish gear…
February 13th, 2006 at 8:21 pmGregor – you are way too funny! That was hysterical!
February 13th, 2006 at 8:22 pmThe stamp is just a friggin tax. I’m sure the VP has an exemption.
43.652(b)
February 13th, 2006 at 8:22 pmThe commission by rule may exempt a person or class of
persons from the stamp requirement of this section.
as Orwell put it “some are more equal than othersâ€.
Comment by seefleur — February 13, 2006 @ 8:06 pm
It’s the weight of their stock portfolios that makes them that way…
February 13th, 2006 at 8:25 pmYou Think Progress folks are obsessed. Jeesh. Leave it alone!
February 13th, 2006 at 8:26 pmI think progressives may want to pick their battles more carefully. When you focus on something like this, it trivializes the seriousness of issues like warrantless wiretapping and other atrocities from this administration.
Hunting accidents happen. People hunt where they shouldn’t. Folks set off fireworks in states where they are illegal.
Cheney, Bush, Rove, and the rest of them have all done enough awful stuff that there’s no need to grasp at straws with something as relatively unimportant as this hunting accident. Keeping this kind of banality in the news just dulls people for when things happen which actually matter.
Focus, folks.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:27 pmKeith Olberman just had a “computer simulation” of the Cheney shooting. Funny…
Cicero, I think it was 30 yards. Since they were hunting quail, they must have been using bird shot, and bird shot won’t go 300 yards. At 30 yards the guy was “peppered,” which means if the shot penetrated, it probably wasn’t by much. You could lose an eye that way, though.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:28 pmUnbelievable,
I am happy you liked my troll parody… ;-)
February 13th, 2006 at 8:29 pmIf Dick Cheney took a dump and didn’t put the seat down, at least 40 liberals would automatically demand that he be impeached for doing that.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:30 pmIf the president got his joint worked on, Republicans would impeach and spend $10 million of hard-earned tax payers’ money investigating. Sound familiar, Gary?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:34 pmGary – Funny, when Clinton was in office I used to say that he couldn’t trip over the White House doormat without Repubs screaming for an investigation. Strange how partisanship works.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:34 pmat least 40 liberals would automatically demand that he be impeached for doing that.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — February 13, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
And you would be right there holding the toilet paper.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:35 pmNo one is suggesting this is comparable to the administration’s other violations of law. But that’s no excuse to pretend it didn’t happen.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI am happy you liked my troll parody… ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 13, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
My liberal friends have been emailing me all day with all kinds of jokes about this. But yours is by far the blue ribbon winner of the day. It was brilliant!
So, since Peeping Georgie can’t stand not being the center of attention – what do you think he’ll do be King of the Dung Heap again? Nuke Iran?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmWhen you focus on something like this, it trivializes the seriousness of issues like warrantless wiretapping and other atrocities from this administration.
Comment by Rod — February 13, 2006 @ 8:27 pm
Maybe it isn’t clear to you -this is a another example of the Bush administration’s contempt for the law. It shows a pattern, even for petty little things like a hunting permit.
To top it all, instead of being forthcoming and explaining things, they duck, avoid, and evade. Which, again, is typical of this administration.
Hunting accidents happen. People hunt where they shouldn’t. Folks set off fireworks in states where they are illegal.
One, hunting accidents are rare.
Two, not everyday does it happen that the VP shoots a hunting partner in the face while hunting illegally.
Cheney, Bush, Rove, and the rest of them have all done enough awful stuff that there’s no need to grasp at straws with something as relatively unimportant as this hunting accident.
Agreed there are probably more important things. But again, it shows a pattern. And when was the last time a VP shot someone in the face? See? No grasping at straws.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmWell if he takes a dump with the seat up we might actually want to impeach.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmI love how the trolls come on here and tell us the progressives/democrats/liberals need to not focus on this.
HEY JACKASSES, EVERYBODY ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET IS FOCUSED ON THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOOTING SOMEBODY.
If you don’t like what we talk about, go somewhere else.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:37 pmPeople hunt and fish sans license in every state everyday.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:37 pmG.R. I have a double barrell 12 gauge that prevent’s Cheney’s, Bushe’s, Rove’s from using my toilet. Enough of your silly sh** to.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:39 pmNo one is suggesting this is comparable to the administration’s other violations of law. But that’s no excuse to pretend it didn’t happen.
Comment by Nico — February 13, 2006 @ 8:35 pm
My mother had to make a special effort to tell me that this was the other man’s fault (the guy who got shot). I love my mother, but frequently wonder (hope, really) if I were adopted…
February 13th, 2006 at 8:39 pmWhat if Cheney takes a dump with the LID down?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:39 pm#19 – I don’t know what goes on at your house or Cheney’s house, but someone in my house “takes a dump,” the seat is already down. Does anyone have any information on wingnuts doing everything at attention?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:41 pmWhat if Cheney takes a dump with the LID down?
Comment by Treated Liberator — February 13, 2006 @ 8:39 pm
Thanks, I’ll never be able to look at him again without imagining that… and I already laugh a lot when I see him as it is. That whole “Go F yourself, Mr. Cheney” thing is still hilarious.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:43 pmUnbelievable, what was your mom’s line of argument about it being the other guy’s fault?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:44 pmUnbelievable, that was funny. I use to think the same thing and then found out I was…..LOL….Blessings
February 13th, 2006 at 8:45 pm#28 – Still not ok. In the last town I lived in, it was a running joke about the start of bow season being marked by gun fire in the hills.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:47 pmUnbelievable,
Thanks for the kind words.
As for VP Cheney -if he got away with lying about Iraq’s WMDs and with all the other prevarications, I predict he won’t get as much as a slap on the wrist over this one.
As for Pres Bush -Syria and Iran are next on the list. Speculation is that action will be taken before Iran’s Euro-based Oil Bourse opens sometime in March.
Gotta go now…
February 13th, 2006 at 8:47 pmHow about a rousing “RULE OF LAW! RULE OF LAW!” chant?
Neocons? No? Don’t feel like it?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:53 pmUnbelievable, what was your mom’s line of argument about it being the other guy’s fault?
Comment by Zookeeper — February 13, 2006 @ 8:44 pm
The local FOX affliate 6:00 news… as usual.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:54 pmWell, if you ask Alan Simpson, Huttington deserved it.
Alan Simpson said on Hardball tonight that Huttington should have announced himself.He broke the rules so he got shot.
:|
Does anyone see a pattern of a lack of responsibility with this administrations leaders?
If they shoot you, then its your fault. You got in the way of the bullets.
February 13th, 2006 at 8:55 pmKinda of like if someone hits the hood of my car with their head.
It’s their fault.
Nothings my fault.
EVER!
February 13th, 2006 at 8:56 pm:o
February 13th, 2006 at 8:56 pm“…and Wildlife Department FAULT that Cheney…”
text edit. (i think).
February 13th, 2006 at 8:57 pmUnbelievable, that was funny. I use to think the same thing and then found out I was…..LOL….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox — February 13, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
Really? Ouch… I look just like both of my parents. I’m definitely her kid… She’s a good person, just not very logical about politics. Too much blind faith in her party. Though, she does have issues with Bush. At least she’s not in that 39% who still think he’s doing a good job. :)
February 13th, 2006 at 8:57 pmI wonder if maybe this was a sign from above or something?
Maybe fate is trying to tell us, that when we adopt a shoot from the hip strategy, often the wrong guy ends up getting shot?
Just a thought. :|
February 13th, 2006 at 8:58 pmNow that Dick Cheney has just some combat experience, when is the rest of the administration going to get theirs?
February 13th, 2006 at 8:59 pmFor it to be combat experience, Wittington would have had to shoot back.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:00 pmAs for Pres Bush -Syria and Iran are next on the list. Speculation is that action will be taken before Iran’s Euro-based Oil Bourse opens sometime in March.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 13, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
Know how to get citizenship in Canada? These people are seriously nuts.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:00 pmFor it to be combat experience, Wittington would have had to shoot back.
Comment by worfeus — February 13, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Don’t we all wish…
February 13th, 2006 at 9:01 pmWith Cheney and Bush and the rest of the traitors, it’s always someone elses fault. They don’t have the “Right Stuff”. Maybe if Cheney spent some time in the military, he would know how to shoot quail and not his hunting companion. The victim is going to have some nasty scars. He’s going to look like a smallpox survivor.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:02 pmWonder if really Wittington didn’t say something that pissed Cheney off?
February 13th, 2006 at 9:04 pmMaybe Cheney didn’t miss.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:05 pm:D
February 13th, 2006 at 9:05 pm#39 – I should have spotted that one! My parents refer to various Faux news people by their first names. Ugh.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:07 pm#39 – I should have spotted that one! My parents refer to various Faux news people by their first names. Ugh.
Comment by Zookeeper — February 13, 2006 @ 9:07 pm
Yes, my mom too – she talks about them like they are our relatives… Glad it’s not just my whacko family :)
February 13th, 2006 at 9:09 pmWho cares? I don’t. An accidental shooting is not a story that needs to be examined in multiple dimensions. Give it up and focus on something important. You all sound like kids in grade school. What happened to the composed, educated liberal democrats that I support? All I see now are simpering idiots invoking the most extreme points to focus their dislike for the conduct of the administration.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:12 pmIts interesting, that a man with so much blood on his hands, chooses to spend his free time shedding more blood.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:13 pm#50 when i was enlisted we had a way to handle people like cheney, we called it a blanket party.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pmsimpering idiots?
Idiot perhaps.
Simpering? Never.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pmOh, come on Dale, we’re just having a bit of a laugh. We’re entitled to some Daily Show inspired sarcasm every once in a while. It’s what seperates us from the rigid, up-tight right. Join in. Enjoy yorself.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pmIran will strike back, quickly. The scary part is that Iran will strike our troops in Iraq if we attack Iran. The Iranians will fight for their nation, as they should. Maybe if Libby didn’t out Plame, the nukes in Iran would be less of a threat. Actually, Iran’s nukes don’t frighten me. We have enough nukes to wipe out Iran and the rest of planet sitting in silos in the midwest. It doesn’t make any sense that Iran would nuke another nation. This is the cold war hype all over again. We are the only nation that nuked another nation and the fact that the Russians had nukes kept us from using nuclear weapons again.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:16 pm#58 – whats a blanket party?
February 13th, 2006 at 9:17 pmBut Dale, I do see your frustration.
I too think for the most part the Cheney shooting while sounding big, is really not that big.
Unless of course you consider the way in which the information was released, (or not as it were).
This incident provided us a deeper insight into the innerworkings of this administration, and their obvious control or attempts at control over EVERY peice of information the public hears.
And since this thread is about the Cheney shooting, calling everyone in this thread idiots is kinda dumb.
Its like turning the channel to a TV show you don’t want to watch.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:18 pmAmericans must demand that Cheney be fined for NOT having a proper license to hunt quail in Texas! He must be treated like a regular citizen and NOT given a slap on the wrist! Try paying a token license fee, after you get caught, and see what happens to you? You would be fined hundreds of dollars, so Cheney must be fined, and lose his right to hunt for 2 to 5 years!
February 13th, 2006 at 9:21 pmIts 50 Bucks Jay.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:22 pmOr 20 bucks maybe. It wasn’t much.
No crime, just a ticket.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:23 pmIt doesn’t make any sense that Iran would nuke another nation. This is the cold war hype all over again
Comment by cats are flyfishn — February 13, 2006 @ 9:16 pm
I think we will soon find out that Iran is not acting alone flyfisher.
There are bigger players behind the scenes egging them on.
Look to the Russians and the Chinese, who have had just about all they’re gonna take from the our way or the highway Bush administration.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:25 pm#62 – You and your buddies pin the victim to his bunk with his blanket and beat the living shit out of him.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:29 pmOf course Iran isn’t acting alone. Bush&Co act like it, though. Attacking Iran is serious and dangerous. Iran is no Iraq. And China has dibbies on Iran’s oil. So China may considered an attack on Iran as an attack on China’s interests. My grandfather, who passed away in 1950, always said that the yellow race will rule the world someday. I’m beginning to think that he was precient.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:30 pmworfeus the fine is stated at beginning of this thread as:
February 13th, 2006 at 9:30 pm“$25 to $500″ and loss of hunting priviledges for up to 5 years! Cheney because he is arrogant, and believes himself above all laws, must receive the maximum penalties > $500 fine and 5 year ban from hunting in Texas!
#68 – can we do that to Bush&Co? Sign me up!
February 13th, 2006 at 9:31 pmOoh, he didn’t have the right 7 dollar permit!! To the gallows!!! ROFLMAO, you moonbats are a real riot!
February 13th, 2006 at 9:36 pmSorry Jay, I missed that. I just read the laws and its apparently an acutal class C misdemeanor.
It is a crime.
My bad.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:39 pmWhy does the cost of the permit make a difference?
February 13th, 2006 at 9:41 pmWhy is it that BushCo. can never follow the rules?
#68 It probably would do cheney some good
February 13th, 2006 at 9:44 pmand, dale (and others)…you don’t have to pretend you’re a “liberal democrat” to post here…any fact based reasonable comment is good for the mix…
February 13th, 2006 at 9:44 pmdon’t waste your first post complaining about the complaining…
My license plates are only $25, who needs them?
February 13th, 2006 at 9:47 pmA drivers license is only $20, ha ha, why
do I need one of those?
i can’t believe this bozo (Cheney) has his finger on the button.
– obviously, he was drunk, and also needs his hearing tested
…at least when Clinton’s gun went off, it just soiled a dress!
HAPPY VALENTINE’S DAY!
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BACK ON THE CHENEY GANG (The Pretenders)
I FOUND SOME GUN SHOT ON YOU, OH OH OH OH
WHAT HIJACKED YOUR FACE THAT NIGHT
FROM A PLACE IN THE SOUTH
WE’VE BEEN CAST OUT OF? OH OH OH OH
NOW WE’RE BACK IN THE HUNT
WE’RE BACK ON THE TRAIN
OH, BACK ON THE CHENEY GANG
A CIRCUMSTANCE BEYOND OUR CONTROL, OH OH OH OH
THE FARM, THE VP AND THE NEWS OF THE WORLD
GOT IN THE HOUSE LIKE A PIGEON FROM HELL, OH OH OH OH
THREW SHOT IN OUR EYES AND DESCENDED LIKE FLIES
PUT US BACK IN THE SHAME
OH, BACK ON THE CHENEY GANG
THE POWERS THAT BE
THAT MAKE EVERYONE LIVE LIKE POO
BROUGHT HIM TO HIS KNEES
WHEN I SEE WHAT THEY’VE DONE TO YOU
I’LL DIE AS I STAND HERE TODAY
KNOWING THAT DEEP IN MY HEART
THEY’LL FALL TO RUIN ONE DAY
FOR MAKING US PART
I FOUND SOME CHEEK SKIN OF YOU, OH OH OH OH
THOSE WERE THE UGLIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
LIKE A BREAK IN THE QUAIL HUNT WAS YOUR PART, OH OH OH OH
IN THE WRETCHED LIFE OF AN EVIL HEART
NOW WE’RE BACK ON THE LAME
OH, BACK ON THE BLAME GAME
http://www.pretenders.org/lyback.htm
February 13th, 2006 at 9:51 pmAnd Cheney doesn’t have to answer for shooting someone?
A New York subway tale: That bag needs a ticket, lady
NEW YORK – A ride home on an F Line subway train doubled the cost of Samantha Hoover’s groceries after a cop wrote her a $50 ticket for putting the plastic bag on the seat next to her, according to a story in the New York Post. Sitting on the “mostly empty” Brooklyn-bound train Friday evening, Hoover, 33, said she tried to read a magazine, but her thoughts wandered between her day at work and the steak dinner she and her fiancé were going to prepare when she got home.
“Next thing I know, a police officer walks up and wants to know if I’ve ever been arrested,” said Hoover. “He asked for my identification and said, ‘You can’t put your bag there.’ ”
Hoover’s life as an outlaw was made possible by new MTA subway rules — prohibiting activities such as roller-skating or walking between cars, not to mention putting bags on seats. They supplemented earlier restrictions on smoking and panhandling.
Taking up more than one seat had always been an offense punishable with a fine. But until now, it was enforced only against people sprawled across several seats.
Officer Mohammad Ishrat told Hoover to leave the train with him at the Jay Street/Borough Hall stop so he could check whether there were any warrants for her arrest, she said.
“I have had a couple of parking tickets,” she later confessed.
Instead, she tried to argue that her Whole Foods bag had not made any impact on the rest of the passengers.
“The train was empty,” Hoover said she told the cop.
The newspaper said Ishrat pointed at the plastic Whole Foods bag and explained it didn’t matter, she said. He then boosted the $46.73 she spent on steak, vegetables, strawberries and snacks with a $50 fine.
The NYPD did not return a call to the Post seeking comment.
The rule is ambiguous. It warns passengers not to “occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the Authority’s transit system or the comfort of other passengers.”
An MTA spokesman provided little guidance, saying it is “best to leave your bag on the floor or in your lap, rather than have to argue.”
Hoover will have a chance to argue her case at the Transit Adjudication Bureau on Feb. 27.
BART to run longer trains for Chinese New Year parade crowds
SAN FRANCISCO – BART, the Bay Area Rapid Transit commuter system, said it will run longer trains this Saturday, Feb. 11, to carry passengers to and from the San Francisco Chinese New Year Parade. BART will run 9- or 10-car trains beginning mid-afternoon. The Chinese New Year Parade starts at 5:30 p.m. and ends around 8:30. Riders can exit at Montgomery Street or Powell Street stations for access to the parade route.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:52 pmhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11333496/
February 13th, 2006 at 10:01 pmYeah great…
Meanwhile…
BREAKING: PLAME WAS WORKING ON IRAN AS SHE WAS OUTED BY BUSHCO
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html
If this were to actually get in the news…..
February 13th, 2006 at 10:10 pm“If Dick Cheney took a dump and didn’t put the seat down, at least 40 liberals would automatically demand that he be impeached for doing that.”
Hey Gary, thanks for the proof, I always thought Cheney dumped on everyone standing up or are you trying to say he pisses sitting down. I don’t know about you, but I sit to dump and stand to pee. Just in case you don’t get it yet, I’ll put it in Neo-Con terms.
Checklist for going to the bathroom:
1. Wash hands
2. Sit down.
3. Unzip pants
4. Flush
5. Deny any responsibility for any smell
6. Leave bathroom
No, Gary 1, 2, and 3 ARE NOT mixed up for Neo-Cons…
February 13th, 2006 at 10:39 pmIn Theaters This Summer…Dick Cheney’s Naked Prey - an Oliver Stone film based on true events.
Stripped, weaponless, alone and only ten desperate seconds ahead of Dick Cheney!
Plot Summary: A group of men are on a bird hunting trip in Texas. One of the party Harry Whittington, a millionaire attorney from Austin, refuses to give a gift to the most powerful man in the world – the Vice President of the United States. Dick is offended…
This film is not yet rated.
I have an advance copy of the movie poster —> http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
February 13th, 2006 at 10:42 pmDo NOT worry, this shooting incident is NOT a diversion from the NSA Spygate Scandal, or the Plamegate Scandal either! The Congress does use any distraction to ignore things, but its members have always done so > lol.
At least the press is angry at Cheney over this incident!
February 13th, 2006 at 10:44 pmcheney is perfect. he doesn’t make any mistakes…. just ask his pal scooter libby.
February 13th, 2006 at 11:10 pmFrom the NY Times:
David Gregory of NBC, who repeatedly asked why the press corps did not learn of the Saturday shooting, which took place at 5:30 p.m. Central time, for nearly 24 hours. Mr. McClellan responded that Ms. Armstrong had informed the press corps through her local newspaper.
“Scott, that’s not the answer to the question,” Mr. Gregory said. “Come on. You’re totally ducking and weaving here.”
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McClellan’s reponse: “that’s because Cheney’s in the building and I don’t want to get hit.”
February 13th, 2006 at 11:14 pmFining Dickless and banning him from hunting ain’t enough.
CONVICT THE BASTARD! And make him sit in a cell with a 300 pound guy who will treat Dickless as if he was Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
That’s justice.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:03 amLooking back on it, Senator Pat Leahy was lucky to get away with an “F bomb” from the trigger happy Veep.
For more, see:
February 14th, 2006 at 1:01 am“The AvengingAngel Blasts Cheney, Starr and Steele.”
Angel the repugs know cheney is trigger happy so they won’t let him carry his shotgun in public in DC, kinda makes for bad press you know.
February 14th, 2006 at 2:04 amAccidents happen, however, for the VICE PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES to be breaking even a civil law by not having a license is beyond ridiculous. More than likely the freak thinks he’s above the law.
February 14th, 2006 at 4:39 amROFL at #78
February 14th, 2006 at 4:42 amThere are 92 comments here about Cheney failing to pay a $7 fee to which this blog dedicated a full screen article about it’s illegality.
You people are idiots. What’s next ? An article on Rumsfeld’s speeding tickets ? An article criticising the MSM for reporting on Cheney’s hunting licence while ignoring much bigger issues ?
Oh wait… ignore that last one… you might lose your perspective.
February 14th, 2006 at 4:56 amThere are 92 comments here about Cheney failing to pay a $7 fee to which this blog dedicated a full screen article about it’s illegality.
You people are idiots. What’s next ? An article on Rumsfeld’s speeding tickets ? An article criticising the MSM for reporting on Cheney’s hunting licence while ignoring much bigger issues ?
Oh wait… ignore that last one… you might lose your perspective.
Comment by Tank — February 14, 2006 @ 4:56 am
Dear Tank,
What planet were you on from 1993 to 2001?
Do you remember that the Rebuplican congress investigated every conceivable slightly illegal thing that Clinton might ever have done? They even investigated his cat, fer chrissakes.
What you don’t understand is that it’s not about the illegality of the $7 tax stamp. It’s about the total indifference of Cheney and his administration to the law, no matter how significant or trivial the law may be, from the constitution of the United States to a $7 hunting tax stamp.
Further you don’t understand that it is little things like this that are most indicative of an individual’s character. This story will hit the American public in ways that NSA spying, outing a covert CIA agent, or waging wars of aggression will not. Most people don’t understand the fine points of congressional law or the fouth amendment or the Nuremberg principles. But they do understand the Vice President of the United States shooting someone. That’s what makes this incident significant beyond the nature of the illegality involved. The illegality of the $7 tax stamp is trivial, simply a result of administrative oversight. But the illegality of Clinton getting a blowjob on company time is non-existant. Still it was worthwhile laying a perjury trap for him that led to articles of impeachment.
So don’t try to talk down the importance of Cheney shooting someone in terms of the metaphor that it provides for painting the Cheney administration. Perhaps destiny has decided to take a hand.
February 14th, 2006 at 5:54 amCheney/Rove have been hunting illegally since 2000. These warmongers don’t care about the consequences because they don’t have to care for them…. some ‘patriot’ will have their backs. If not, they can still lie their asses out of most difficulties, the people (too dumb/scared/ignorant/poor to read a book) will buy it anyway. Too bad it’s not too hard to see what they’re aiming for: power = money = oil. On another note it seems Cheney/Rove are terrible at hitting (probably even seeing) the bull’s eye. Therefor, they shoot they’re own friends and start wars with countries not even worth waging one with. Don’t underestimate the predictability of stupidity, don’t underestimate the repetitiousness of stupidity.
February 14th, 2006 at 7:00 amThis little story tell me a lot about how Dick Cheney Works
“Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The Humane Society of the United States, issued the following statement after learning that the Vice President shot a man during a quail hunt in Texas yesterday.”
Dick Cheney just seems to keep topping himself on the hunting front. First, he showed terrible judgment by hunting ducks with Justice Antonin Scalia when his office had business before the Supreme Court. Then, he went on an exclusive private shooting spree in Pennsylvania and shot dozens, perhaps hundreds, of stocked pheasants at a drive-thru canned hunting operation – where the pen-raised birds were treated as nothing more than living targets. Now, he’s shot a hunting companion in his latest hunting venture. We don’t quite understand his obsession with shooting animals, and we’d advise him to pursue a less violent form of relaxation and get on with the important business of leading the country. . . .
The Humane Society has more on Cheney:
Cheney’s Canned Kill, and Other Hunting Excesses of the Bush Administration
“Vice President Dick Cheney went pheasant shooting in Pennsylvania in December 2003, but unlike most of his fellow hunters across America, he didn’t have to spend hours or even days tramping the fields and hedgerows in hopes of bagging a brace of birds for the dinner table. . . Our criticism is simple to understand: Farm-raised pheasants are about as wary as urban pigeons and shooting them is nothing more than live target practice, especially when they are released from a hill in front of 10 gunners hidden below in blinds—as Cheney and his party were. Such hunting makes a mockery of basic principles of fair play and humane treatment, and the vice president should not associate himself with such conduct. . . . “
February 14th, 2006 at 7:14 amFrankly, my dear…..it seems that destiny has decided to take more than just a hand in the matter. Think of how this must look to the average American. Bushco has been held up as morally superior to the Dems for 5 years now. The corruption over money has been in the papers for only a few months and now it comes out that the VP accidently shoots someone while running around on a lobbist’s canned shoot farm with a couple of younger women, not his wife(and just where are their husbands?)while disregarding some of the most basic rules and regulations of hunting.
February 14th, 2006 at 7:16 amWhen this accident occurs, all the required protocol goes south. Not just the state and local procedures for handling an accidental shooting, but the correct manner for handling the information surrounding a ‘public person’ such as the Vice President of the United States.
Think of it…….Dick Cheney disappeared for 12 hours. Just slipped under the radar. The Vice President of the United States! He goes AWOL. He doesn’t go to either hospital after the ambulance comes for Whittington; not to the local one nor to the one in Corpus Christi where the victim is airlifted. He only shows up at the one in Corpus Christi the next day. The only public record is the phone call for an ambulance. The local police who follow up on the ambulance report are confronted on the day of the accident by SS men who refuse to let them interview the VP, something that doesn’t occur until the following morning when they are ‘told’ the incidents. Not much of an investigation, huh? The White House gets a series of communications from Texas that do not seem to reflect even the most salient and basic aspects of the case. The President and the White House staff supposedly don’t have a clear picture of what happened until all the pieces of the occurance come together 12 hours after the accident happens because of some strange inarticulation of witnesses. This according to WH spokesman, Scott McClellan. A private citizen, not the WH, then ‘decides’ to notify a small local newspaper to make the nation and the world aware that something has ocurred – a first.
This lack of what passes for the rest of us citizens as reasonable and responsible actions doesn’t pass muster. Americans know that some pretty important rules have been violated and by people who should know better and are so quick to pontificate what’s right and wrong for others. It hits the collective conscience with the same impact as the Terry Shiavo affair.
Maybe thats the reason for the delay?
FEMA
February 14th, 2006 at 7:38 amThe image at the head of this post tells about more than breach of licence regulations. The intoxication question is filled in [x]No [ ]Unknown. How could that be right if the Game Warden who filled it out wasn’t allowed to see Cheney in time to make the necessary observation? (I assume the SS wouldn’t have let the Warden see Cheney shortly after the incident because they prevented a Sheriff’s officer from doing so)
February 14th, 2006 at 8:52 amFirst, I want to wish Mr. Harry Whittington a full and speedy recovery.
And second, I think I should give fair warning to all that from this day forward, any time I make a reference to the Vice President, I will have to phrase it, “The Vice President, who once shot a 78-year-old man in the face,…”
After a while it make look silly, but it needs to be pointed out as often as possible. I am not saying that there was anything nefarious to this. It appears to have been an accident and nothing more.
But the Vice President of the United States shot a 78-year-old man in the face, and his office didn’t think it necessary to issue their own press release. They left it, instead, to a private citizen because “she was a witness” to the incident. So what??? We’re talking about the Vice President of the United States who shot a 78-year-old man in the face. Not some random act of violence.
I think that we, as tax-paying citizens, have a right to know when our Vice President shoots a 78-year-old man in the face. Don’t you?
February 14th, 2006 at 9:14 amCmon everyone. Bigger fish to fry with this guy. Let’s see everyone get this upset about that “secret” closed door meeting that he had with his Energy Task Force in 2001. Those of you jumping up and down about this are getting suckered. BIGGER THINGS TO LOOK AT AND GET UPSET WITH THIS GUY.
-gwb
February 14th, 2006 at 9:26 amLooked at symbolically in an Alchemical/Psych. way,(closely related to masonic beliefs, Cheney is a Mason)
Two individual private occurences, which for the most part should not effect others on any grand scale.
Clinton sprays semen: the fluid of life, representing the union of opposites just like the sun and moon,conscious and unconscious,emotion and spirituality,the philosophers egg. Creativity. The symbol of a new objective attitude beyond conflict.
Cheney sprays lead:” beware of lead for in it is a demon which will kill people and make them mad” poison in every way conceivable.Those interested in it and posessed by it will fall into madness on account of their lack of conscious awareness.Lead, a container or vessel for the spirit imprisoned in matter. Suffocation of the unconscious,naive projection.The illusion that all trouble lies outside oneself, and has to come to an end. In the end one cooks in ones own juice,suffocation. You are not solely your Ego .
February 14th, 2006 at 9:54 am[...] ThinkProgress < Click Photo to Enlarge> Thanks to a law introduced by State Rep. Charlie Geren (R) and passed last year, hunters in Texas are required to have an Upland Game Bird Stamp before hunting quail. According to an email ThinkProgress recieved from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokeswoman Lydia Saldaña, Cheney didn’t have one: [...]
February 14th, 2006 at 10:22 am[...] ThinkProgress < Click Photo to Enlarge> Thanks to a law introduced by State Rep. Charlie Geren (R) and passed last year, hunters in Texas are required to have an Upland Game Bird Stamp before hunting quail. According to an email ThinkProgress recieved from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokeswoman Lydia Saldaña, Cheney didn’t have one: [...]
February 14th, 2006 at 10:22 amMost hunters that get caught with an expired license only get the simple fine. Funny how this makes headlines more than Iran resuming enriching uranium.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:40 amCheney was hunting on private land. I think these laws only apply when hunting on public lands.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:46 amIt’s ALWAYS somebody else’s fault that the Neo Cons don’t follow the law. What law? Since when do laws matter to them? Laws are antiquated. Just follow the little voice in your head, it’s God telling you to SHOOT, NOW!
February 14th, 2006 at 10:48 amWhat is the hunting season for hunting lawyers anyhow?
Obviously, Darth thinks any time you bag one is a good day, even if you’re out hunting with him.
Couple off comments….Cheney was using a 28 gauge shotgun (very small) with 7.5 pellets(tiny). If the pattern only caught the guy in the face & neck (tight), Darth was closer than 30 yards. 30 – 40 feet is more like it. Plus, this wasn’t just a peppering. This guy is Still in the Intensive Care ward 2 days later. He was full on shot and up close at that.
Makes me wonder if everyone had been drinking. Dumb hunting, that’s for sure.
Of course our trolls see no reason to discuss this. Of course they don’t. They don’t even feel discussing lying about taking a nation to war against a soverign nation that hasn’t attacked you merits discussion.
But somehow, 8 years later President Clinton’s blowjobs merrit discussion and 30 years later, Ted Kennedy’s killing some poor girl merrits discussion.
See why we have no respect for those of you in the troll bleachers? Cause you’re friggin’ idiots, that’s why.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:52 am“Troll bleachers” – that’s actually pretty funny! I’d rather be labeled a troll on a Leftie’s site than a blind Liberal follower any day.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:03 amI always thought that ingnorance of the law was not a valid excuse. The other day I got a $75 ticket for walking across the street while the light was yellow. Cheney shoots a man in the face while illegally hunting and nothing happens. What happened to rule of law? Fucking criminals
February 14th, 2006 at 11:30 am#109 Are those your only choices? Simple life you got.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:37 amWhen was this license issued?
Before or after the shooting?
Who got the licenses issued before and after Cheney’s license? Who issued the license? What are the phone records of the issuer? I mean did they recieve a phone shortly after the shooting and issued the license?
February 14th, 2006 at 12:11 pmThese goofballs can’t shoot a wingless bird in a large cage, docilly raised to be shot. What a puss.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:12 pm“Still it was worthwhile laying a perjury trap for him that led to articles of impeachment.”
I thought BJ Bill would have been proud of telling of his encounter with Lewinsky. It would have been a great improvement over his wife.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:49 pmCheney was hunting on private land. I think these laws only apply when hunting on public lands.
Comment by Jason #106
Jascum says…
…you can “shoot anybody you like on private land”…
…especially if you’re L’il Dick…
February 14th, 2006 at 12:50 pmUhh Tracy…. Bill’s wife is an elected Senator from NY state.
What have you EVER DONE in your life that you can claim any kind of superiority to her. Nothing. I thought so. Otherwise you wouldn’t have time to post here.
Maybe we need to put quail in a barrel so that Darth can shoot ‘em easier.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:14 pm“Uhh Tracy…. Bill’s wife is an elected Senator from NY state.”
And the only reason she was elected was because her last name is Clinton and she is a HUGE liberal. NY got exactly what they wanted.
“What have you EVER DONE in your life that you can claim any kind of superiority to her.”
When did I claim superiority to her?
February 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pm“It would have been a great improvement over his wife.”
You disparraged his wife. Whom I have pointed out is head and shoulders above either you or me.
What does that say about you?
Frankly, I think Hillary is much cuter than Monica. Now as far as who is hotter, I’ll pass on that one. I don’t know, I don’t want to know. That’s a question I’ll never ask Bill.
February 14th, 2006 at 2:05 pmAlso, Senator Clinton was running against Rick Lazio, whose conservative politics were rejected by New York voters.
February 14th, 2006 at 5:05 pm#118
“Whom I have pointed out is head and shoulders above either you or me.”
Speak for yourself! Just because you were elected senator of state simply because your last name is Clinton, doesn’t make you “superior” to ANYONE. You bow down and kiss her feet…I won’t.
“Frankly, I think Hillary is much cuter than Monica.”
Even will all her lines and wrinkles?
“That’s a question I’ll never ask Bill.”
That’s a good bit of advice to everyone because we sure know what his “real” answer would be. LOL!
February 14th, 2006 at 8:44 pmHey Tracy, have you heard? Vice President Cheney SHOT A 78 YEAR OLD MAN, WHO IS A FRIEND OF HIS, SHOT HIM RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?!? Doesn’t that just…blow you away?? Crazy world, eh?
February 14th, 2006 at 11:59 pmDick Cheney doesn’t need a license to hut birds in Texas. Congress has already authorized the Bush administration to take over the world.
February 15th, 2006 at 8:33 am120 wwallace
February 15th, 2006 at 9:31 amAlso as for hunting Permits. Per most state laws say you can hunt and fish on your Private lands without permit . However any and all game must not be removed from these lands.
Also it is the VP responsibility to insure he is hunts legally not his aids he should have double checked. You can say that the clerk did not add it and they asked but he should have double checked. When I go hunting I also way double check because the laws are so strick.
I am sure he double checked his Taxes every year.
Bottom line the VP should have Charges brought against him for hunting without proper. And reckless endangerment or improper use of a firearm. And if the Guy Dies manslauter
February 15th, 2006 at 11:36 amCheney lied about the distance. There’s a coverup going on.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:46 amShooting a rich republican lawyer on the face knowing that he wouldn’t sue you has many people thinking about it. Do they kill quail to just watch them die? What will you call someone who kills just for pleasure? If he wants to torture humans, does he claim the right to torture quail too? Is this really 2006? Is this what we should teach our children in school? Is this what we want the rest of the world to learn from us?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmIf i were to go hunting and i shot someone in the face wether it was an accident or not i would have my licence taken away for life. What happened to Cheney. NOTHING, he needs to go to jail because what he did was wrong and just because he is the vice prez does not mean that he is above the law
May 10th, 2006 at 12:47 am