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That is a great find and goes to prove that the republicans only want the opposite of what the democrats want. Nothing more, nothing less. All we want is accountibility.
You will also notice the original story states thaat CLinton was following the rules and getting warrants.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:37 pmI already knew that so it doesn’t surprise me a bit.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:38 pmIt just continues to show that the
February 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmonly true right-wing “value” is hypocrisy.
Pot-Kettle-Black
Left-wingers were for warrantless domestic spying before they were against it.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:45 pmwww — Actually, Clinton was getting warrants. The Freepers were upset because the FISA court was authorizing such a large proportion of Clinton’s requests for warrants.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pmwww,
Wrong, we are for wiretapping every god damn terrorist on the planet, for up to three days before a warrant is obtained. Clinton OBTAINED warrants. It wasn’t warrantless like Bush is doing. You are a moron.
Left -wingers want to catch terorists before they do anything wrong. Right winger want to catch political opponents before they win elections.
February 13th, 2006 at 3:51 pmwww, meet Nico.
SLAP!
February 13th, 2006 at 3:52 pmSometimes I wonder if the wingers just
February 13th, 2006 at 4:00 pmknowingly lie here, or if their spin is
so deeply embedded that they really
don’t know they are wrong.
Dishonesty or willfull ignorance?
Which one is a greater character flaw?
I guess it really doesn’t matter.
Nico and Spudgboy — Read my comment again, slower. You will note I did not mention Clinton. You liberals always bring up Clinton, you’re obsessed.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pmGeorge W. Bush=Leader of America on the day when the largest terrorist attack in the nations’ history killed almost 3,000 people.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
February 13th, 2006 at 4:08 pmRead my comment again, slower. You will note I did not mention Clinton. You liberals always bring up Clinton, you’re obsessed.
Comment by www — February 13, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
You have just showed you didn’t follow the link provided or read the original Free Republic article: The Secret FISA Court: Rubber Stamping Our Rights
The topic involves Clinton.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:15 pmwww-
Actually left wingers were for warranted domestic spying before they were against warrantless domestic spying
Spudge_boy-
February 13th, 2006 at 4:16 pmIn Clinton’s day, it was only 24 hr they could surveil before getting a warrant. The PATRIOT ACT changed it to 72 hrs
Noone was against the spying until the people got wind of it.
Harman
and
Rockefeller
Need to be taken to task.
They’re saying they’re for it now so they won’t look like clowns.
They must go.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:21 pmGregor, my comment did not mention Clinton though. Get a clue.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:23 pmSomeone had better save the page before it get deleted for FR archives.
Hello Mr. VP if you are reading this
February 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmWhat’s fascinating is evidently Democrats have no problem with violations of their “rights” (I don’t think you have a right to call al Qaeda) as long as some judge looks at a piece of paper first.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmwww-
Aww manm, you didn’t address my comment…
So,
February 13th, 2006 at 4:29 pm1) Are you for or against warranted domestic wiretapping?
2) Are you for or against warrantless domestic wiretapping?
3) Are you (like the administration) for warrantless wiretapping as long as it is an international call (read one end domestic, the other international — as Scotty says “like on your phone bill”)?
4) If you are for 3, do you support warrantless wiretapping domestic to domestic calls?
www-
February 13th, 2006 at 4:31 pmYou have a “right” to call anyone you want.
You have a “right” to call anyone ANYTHING you want.
You even have the “right” to call anything anything you want.
It appears our new baby troll not only can’t read, but in proud republican fasion, REFUSES to look up information that the lil devil is supposed to comment upon. How Unusual Is That?
Hey Harman, R=dino, I’m curious….I live up here in del norte CA. What is your beef with Jane Harmon? I mean, I realize, she isn’t ideal in terms of a SF representative, but she comes from an area that has way more conservatives than most our Democratic districts do up here. Why don’t you spend AT LEAST equal effort trying to rid us of Representatives like POMBO who tries to gut the Endangered Species Act every chance he gets, or something similar.
By all means, bring up your unhappiness with some in the fold, but focus your wrath on those in the other camp. imho.
Now Jay Rockefeller, I can’t tell you a thing about other than he’s from Maryland or Delaware or someplace on the east coast. My knowledge is limited to Nelson, who was the only govenor I’d ever had till I turned 16.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:32 pmwww – what a feeb!
February 13th, 2006 at 4:34 pmHey www are you against the following?
- Would you have a problem with the government setting up areas all over the country that the government would sweep a block or blocks of a neighborhood. They will close off the streets and enter your house and look through your things for anything that might appear to be related to terrorism?
This is EXACTLY the same thing that this president is doing. If you don’t understand how wiretapping works, specifically “data minning”, because they are catching EVERYONES email/phone information and going through it looking for key words.
So what is the difference between the two? Don’t say that they are just looking for those calls to and from the US, because it has already been PROVEN that they are “data minning”.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:34 pmwww,
Read your own comment again. It is baseless and has no facts to back it up. We are very much against warrantless wiretapping and you are just a troll without any facts, just blather.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:35 pmdon the tin foil,
Unlike our troll friend www, I am aware that during Clinton’s time, it was 24 hours. Bush amended the FISA act to 72 hours as part of the USA PATRIOT Act on September 18, 2001.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:37 pmOf course, had we been monitoring the terrorists before 9/11 in the way that we monitor them now, then 9/11 would have never happened.
And it appears that Glenn Greenwald is getting a lot of attention too.
Greenwald is proof that anybody can go from being the lawyer for a Neo-Nazi to being respected by liberals.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:37 pmYeah Gary that’s why 9/11 happened, not because of:
- Failure to listen to the FBI and CIA reporting extra chatter.
- Failure to read the PDB on August 6th which stated “Bin Laden determined to strike US, immenent”.
I’m sure that listening to our phone calls would have detected this attack. One question? How many Arabic translators do we have that could have translated the conversation to detect this information?
Probably, less than we have now (which is 10) out of 34,000 employees.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:42 pmHay, kindness, is a feeb like a FUBAR.? LOL just wondering, trying to keep up…Blessings
February 13th, 2006 at 4:42 pmHey Gary-
February 13th, 2006 at 4:43 pmWe had wiretaps of the terrorists talkin about tomorrow is zero day and stuff like that…problem is it wasn’t interpretted until after 9/11, due to not having enough agents fluent in arabic. How has that thing gone BTW?
Oh we have 10 fluent agents now…cool, that’s definitely enough to comb through all those new wiretaps!
Spudge-
February 13th, 2006 at 4:47 pmI wasn’t hating on you, I just wanted to make sure we didn’t give the wrong impression to our buddy www that FISA was an “old law” that hadn’t been amended..even by President Do-no-wrong’s administration (that kinda sounds like they are the ones writing the legislation, not Congress. Oh well, I refuse to push backspace to delete my thought)
Sorry Sharon,
I may have once been but can’t claim to be hip any longer.
feeb is short for feeble.
btw – love the blessings you always end with. Reminds me of my new age friends & family, although more frequently theirs is Blessed Be.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:48 pmdon the tin foil,
I know that don, it’s all good.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pmBush is proof that anybody can go from being a complete dipshit to the second coming of Christ for the conservatives. Go figure.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:52 pm“Of course, had we been monitoring the terrorists before 9/11 in the way that we monitor them now, then 9/11 would have never happened. Gary Ruppert”
Oh sweetie, there you go again with the partisan brain and its disabled neurons. I guess you missed the numerous news reports that have confirmed that the warrantless spying was occurring before 9/11. If it didn’t help with 9/11, why would you think it would help again? The problem isn’t a lack of information, it’s a lack of required competence to execute governance. You know, only a fool keeps repeating the same failures without learning – but I forgive you pumpkin. The anger, fear, hate and ignorance that goes with partisan brain is certainly enough to make people say the silliest and most irrelevant things. I’m sure you’re just too scared of the big bad terrorists to think clearly. Poor little scared boy, you have my pity and forgiveness sweetie.
February 13th, 2006 at 4:56 pm#1
After reading that I got a different conclusion. It seems to me that the republicans dont want the “opposite” of democrats… It looks like they want the same thing we do, but only when told to think that way. Did you read the comments at the bottom? Some of those people sounded like some Jeffersonian democrat making an empassioned appeal for individual privacy and declaring the noose was being closed around the neck of the Bill of Rights. Republicans want the same thing progressives do… they just dont seem to have a personal hold on what that means. They can be easily swayed into fighting against themselves.
You should read what they say about the left on their sites. They talk about the left the way they talk about blacks. They take something that is kind of true in some way and exagerate it to Paul Bunyon proportion so that when they say left the mean MAO …as though liberals would be ok with their liberties being taken away by MAO… They trick themselves with biggoted propaganda.
February 13th, 2006 at 5:32 pmGregor, my comment did not mention Clinton though. Get a clue.
Comment by www — February 13, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
It doesn’t matter, wwallace.
The topic involves Clinton.
Get a clue.
February 13th, 2006 at 5:32 pmWhat’s fascinating is evidently Democrats have no problem with violations of their “rights†(I don’t think you have a right to call al Qaeda) as long as some judge looks at a piece of paper first.
Comment by www — February 13, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
wwallace,
that “piece of paper”, as you call it, is the law.
You obviously have no use for it.
February 13th, 2006 at 5:34 pmAnd www is a techincal knockout in the 35th round, you gotta give the kid credit, he’s fighter, not a thinker!
February 13th, 2006 at 6:08 pmTechnical I meant, not techintal.. spelling good, typing bad…
February 13th, 2006 at 6:09 pmAnybody remember Tom Hanks playing “Mr. Short-Term Memory” on SNL many years ago? That’s what our trolls remind me of. Every damn day we have to remind them of the same facts about FISA, Clinton, you name it. Same pointless troll comments, same reminders about facts. “What a senseless waste of human life.” (Python fans?)
February 13th, 2006 at 6:09 pmKindness, Jay Rockefeller is from West Virginia.
February 13th, 2006 at 6:13 pmThanks, I knew it was 3000 miles from me.
February 13th, 2006 at 6:17 pmOf course, had we been monitoring the terrorists before 9/11 in the way that we monitor them now, then 9/11 would have never happened.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — February 13, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
Of course, had anyone in the Bush administration done something about the memo titled “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US”, 9/11 would never have happened.
Funny thing is, the memo was crafted without the need for using information obtained through illegal wiretaps.
February 13th, 2006 at 6:24 pmGregor says he’s OK with anything that “the law.” Therefore, Gregor would have had no problem with slavery and the Holocaust, since they were legal at the time. Fair enough Gregor. You don’t have a problem with any act of government, as long as the paperwork is filled out correctly.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:32 pmSince it was well known throughout Clinton’s term that “Bin Ladin was determined to strike in the US”, Gregor must, if he is to be at all consistent, place 95% of that blame on Clinton.
February 13th, 2006 at 9:34 pmHmmm, they were opposed to eavesdropping WITH warrants — it’s the eavesdropping WITHOUT warrants that they endorse.
February 13th, 2006 at 10:01 pmThey are so twisted, they can’t think straight any more.
Maybe they need a dose of Pat Roberts’ memory pills.
Yeah, conservatives were like, what the hell? Why are we requiring warrants for searches? This is an outrage! They campaigned tirelessly until the FISA court was done away with once and for all! Huzzah!
February 14th, 2006 at 12:43 amThe obviously tenuous grasp on reality demonstrated by the Righties, only underscores the steep plunging of their endlessly referenced “moral superiority”. There seems to be no depth they will not descend to, in order to maintain their grip on the power they now hold, and are terrified of losing. When their end does come, it will be absolutely INSANE!! They would do well to note that fear works both ways. All they need do is just be themselves, that is PLENTY scary enough.
February 14th, 2006 at 6:56 amLet’s simplify. Back to the beginning.
Left-wingers were for warrantless domestic spying before they were against it.
Which warrantless domestic spying are you referring to, www?
February 14th, 2006 at 9:06 amwww=wwallace. Don’t bother with him. He’s a reichtwingnut lunatic. Probably even been booted out of Redstate. Ewww, I don’t like that I might have anything in common with that moron.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:58 am#43 and then comes Bush, and 911.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:15 pmOf course, had we been monitoring the terrorists before 9/11 in the way that we monitor them now, then 9/11 would have never happened.
Comment by Gary Ruppert #24
Da*n Scary “Gary” Pookbutt,
…you must’ve been addicted to mud as a little inbred…
…cuz you sure as hell like eating shoe leather now…
Richard Clark and the 9/11 Commission explained ALL of that pre-9/11 Busiva could give a sh*t less (unless it had to do with vacationing) info…
You don’t want to get it…
…go back into that gopher hole you live in, and don’t come out ’til you see your shadow…
February 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmSteve D. Lee
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