When Did The Sheriff Interview Cheney?
When Did The Sheriff Interview Cheney?
The NYT says Saturday night:
Sheriff Salinas said he sent his chief deputy, Gilbert Sanmiguel, to the Armstrong Ranch that night. He said Mr. Sanmiguel interviewed Mr. Cheney and reported that the shooting was an accident.
That would be significant because it would suggests Cheney cooperated with the investigation, which is ongoing.
But the AP reports that Cheney didn’t agree to be interviewed until Monday morning:
At least one deputy showed up at the ranch’s front gate Saturday evening and asked to speak to Cheney but was turned away by the Secret Service, [Secret Service spokesman Eric] Zahren said. There was some miscommunication that arrangements already had been made to interview Cheney the next morning, he said.
Who has the story right? How did these two papers get conflicting information?
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These are not the droids we are looking for. Move along. Move along.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:45 amIt takes awhile to metabolize the alcohol in your system. The older you are, the longer it takes.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:45 am'Nuff said.
I agree. Cheney was probably intoxicated. I don't why it's the Secret Service's job to prevent the VP from looking bad.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:48 amWho gives a crap. The victim of this shooting is going to speak publicly about this and praise Cheney and you guys are going to look like clowns. I swear to God I'm starting to think this is a Neocon website designed to make progs look stupid.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:53 amRemember Kenedy County is a little county run by rich Republicans that only have to snap their fingers and they all lose their jobs. Kenedy County is mired in the 19th century. They serve at the behest of the Armstrongs. You do not understand how things "are" in south Texas. If you do not live here you never will.
February 14th, 2006 at 10:58 amYour silly laws mean nothing to me.
-Dick "The Shotgunner" Cheney
February 14th, 2006 at 11:01 amAs long as the Bush team can continue to create confusion, they've won. All they have to do whenever accused is deny and get their paid media to say what they say. Then people are presented with conflicting news accounts, which neutralizes the story if the confusion goes on long enough. End of story. Don't think for a moment that this wire tapping project of Bushy's isn't helping him intimidate those who would be "disloyal" He's using it for whatever he needs to use if for. As long as he's got a hefty number of paid reporter operatives, he can always create the psyops confusion he needs to. That's also what McClellan was trying to do in the briefings......create confusion. Evil is like that......sneaks around in the shadows.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:04 amLooking back on it, Senator Pat Leahy was lucky to get away with an "F bomb" from the trigger happy Veep.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:04 amThe victim of this shooting is going to speak publicly about this and praise Cheney and you guys are going to look like clowns.
Yeah, right. "Thanks for blowing my face off, Dick! Nice marksmanship there!"
All something like that would do is lead people to conclude that the guy was threatened, paid off, or both.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:08 amIt must be tough being a right-winger these days. They spent the last 30 years telling everyone that the government was the problem, that the government was the enemy.
Now they have been reduced to supporting the government at all costs no matter how ineffective, corrupt, bloated, and rotten.
So much for conservative principles.
-GSD
February 14th, 2006 at 11:09 amCome on TP - over here - Libby says 'his superiors' told him to leak NIE WMD information. And guess what? Plame may have been working on Iranian and AQ Khan WMD proliferation.
'Cheney's got a gun' is just another 'missing white girl', TP.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:11 amCheney did NOT want to talk to any law enforcement officials on Saturday, so he was hiding something about the shooting incident, or under the influence of alcohol?
February 14th, 2006 at 11:12 amThe insinuations of your headlines is just pathetic. Certainly all true Americans (underlined true) . Know that the Secret Service overrides everyone including God, all at the bequest of his Majesty vice king Cheney.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:12 amTerry. Just be patient. News unrelated to Cheney shooting a 78-year old man in the face coming shortly.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:13 amForgive me for being permissive--but I think the outrage is a little misplaced here. The veep screwed up and shot a guy. Yes, he didn't get his little $7 bird stamp, but I think it's clear that the Sheriff's office isn't going to prosecute that, and they probably wouldn't in the case of an average Joe first-offender, either. And some outlets may have different stories on the timeline.
What angers me about this story is that somebody in the WH decided that this story needed to be kept under wraps until the proper spin could be determined. Then the way they spun it was to blame the victim in a situation where any other hunter would blame the person who fired the gun. Had they just come out and said that the VP was involved in a hunting accident, and a man was shot, and the VP came out with a heartfelt plea for all Americans to obey hunting safety guidelines, I think the story would have been received a little better. But it seems this administration believes that every fact needs to be wedged into the mold of "We can do no wrong. So If we did it, it's not wrong." Shrub says he doesn't govern by polls, but appearances say these guys manage everything through the eyes of public opnion.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:14 amDidn't Shakespeare have something to say about this? Something like...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave
when others' faces we turn to sieves..."
Maybe I'm remembering that wrong.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:16 amIn posts 1 through 4 above we have two opinions and two posters with each opinion. I would tend to agree with all four if that is possible. My point being that if it were any other plain-old-run-of-the-mill-hunter the incident would have received little notice. The victim would have been taken to the hospital, the sheriff would have been called, the perpetrator questioned/interviewed and charged as necessary and appropriate, and some small note on the back page of the local rag may have appeared if space was available.
Accidents can and do happen, the incident may have been a clear accident, but again it may not have been. As is the present cry of the Bushco "If you have nothing to hide why should you care if we look." If Cheney were properly licensed, legal in all respects of the law vs. the circumstances (i.e. "road hunting," within the proper time limits, and not under the influence) there would have been no need to call King George the Dumb for advice, use the Secret Service to cover up a possible and probable crime, and stonewall for 24 hours until forced to admit the event. There are only two plausible explanations for the cover-up: (1) Cheney is guilty as hell, and (2) Cheney is guilty as hell but the Bushco NEVER provides and useful, accurate, or truthful information so why start now. Personally I would like to see this spread across every media outlet continuously until Cheney is locked up, resigns, or puts his cardiac doctors to good use and KGtD is impeached and escorted to Leavenworth,
February 14th, 2006 at 11:17 amNews unrelated to Cheney shooting a 78-year old man in the face coming shortly.
That's very Lettermanish. Very funny!
February 14th, 2006 at 11:19 amIt must be tough being a right-winger these days. They spent the last 30 years telling everyone that the government was the problem, that the government was the enemy.Now they have been reduced to supporting the government at all costs no matter how ineffective, corrupt, bloated, and rotten.So much for conservative principles.
-GSD Comment by Granite State Destroyer — February 14, 2006 @ 11:09 am
Conservative principles = supply-side economics. That's all.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:22 amInteresting that Cheney claims he made an agreement with the sheriff's office to meet a deputy on Sunday morning?
Any other American who shoots somebody is immediately questioned, whether it is a accident or not!
In effect the crime scene was covered up and the victim placated in a hospital to remain quiet about what happened!
The most obvious reason is the entire hunting party was drunk on booze, probably including Secret Service agents!
By Sunday they were all sober enough to talk to the sheriff!
February 14th, 2006 at 11:30 amoh no, #18 - weren't you watching last night?
February 14th, 2006 at 11:30 amit's very DAILY SHOWish...credit where credit is due!
Rational people know "supply side" in a vacuum would fail. It's a shame we have 2 unrealistic political parties and we know it yet we relinquish ourselves to existing in a limbo artificially created by a 2 party struggle. This is a system designed to run on friction and partisanship and, in extreme circumstances, hatred.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:32 amGSD, your post yesterday about Armstrong getting it from dick was flawless.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:34 amThe victim of this shooting is going to speak publicly about this and praise Cheney and you guys are going to look like clowns.
So now people who are shot get to say who has gun licenses? He's going to be happy he was shot in the face? See how ridiculous that sounds? This is about conflicting reports and law enforcment towing the line to cover this up. If he goes on camera and praises Cheney for implanting buckshot in his face and chest I will shit my pants.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:35 amwell.... if this guy is in such great condition and no problems, when he's released, we shouldnt be able to notice any physical sign of injury except maybe a band aid right? haha. thats why he'll be in the hospital for a while...and discharged in the middle of the night when he finally does go home. dont look for any press conferences too soon
February 14th, 2006 at 11:36 amHarry Whittington's face is covered with birdshot holes, so Cheney did NOT want him to talk with the press, which is why he was put in intensive care unit to keep out reporters!
His life was never in danger from the shotgun blast, but he looks awfull, so he will remain out of view at least untill the red raised pin pricks all over his face start to heal!
February 14th, 2006 at 11:39 amHey... quail hunting is HARD. Don't believe me? Then go ahead and try it yourself at the Huffington Post:
Play the Dick Cheney Quail Hunting Game!
February 14th, 2006 at 11:43 amIt would be nice if the media would give as much attention to the War in Iraq as as this paint-by-the-numbers story.
Ya know?
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February 14th, 2006 at 11:43 amThanks Flyman.
It is like watching a bad foreign film about a corrupt leader running amok. Amazing stuff.
Now the Taliban in Afghanistan are gettting ready to start-up a new offensive this spring. Jeesh, what a great job. $ years after 9/11 and the only person the Whitehouse has personally bagged is a 78 year old lawyer.
Heckuva Job.
-GSD
February 14th, 2006 at 11:49 amFor those who say this is going to back fire on us, WRONG.
I believe it will be seen as a larger metaphor for this administration, not only do they suck at everything from protecting America to hunting, but they kill and maim Americans with glee. I think this "hunting accident" will be news for a week and be in our subconscious for a lot longer.
February 14th, 2006 at 11:53 amThe TV news reporters must converge on the Texas ranch and start demanding answers from the owner about what transpired on her property > why does she operate a 50,000 acre spread for GOP government officials to party and shoot quail?
Why does the sheriff of her county do her bidding?
February 14th, 2006 at 11:54 amWhy does the Texas hunting license authority kow tow to her?
Why does the local newspaper cover up accidents for her?
can you really turn a sheriff away? man, I'll have to remember that...
February 14th, 2006 at 11:57 amstarting to wonder if this was an intentional shooting. was this friendly fire because Cheney was being goaded about something. we know of his out bursts on the Senate Floor.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:03 pmThe stories don't really conflict. According to the NYT, Salinas said the deputy went to the ranch Saturday night. He also says the deputy interviewed Cheney. Notice he does not say when the interview took place. If the deputy was turned away that night and returned Sunday for the interview, Salina's statement is still true but is an attempt to mislead by leaving out part of what happened. I think pressure was applied to these officials after earlier reports of the deputy being turned away made it to several news outlets.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:05 pmjeez the spin is maddening, cheneys shotgun is now being described as a "pellet gun" in some reports. give it another 24 hours and it will be a water pistol.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:07 pmI love the intoxocation theory, but with all the meds he must be on I doubt he's doing any drinking these days.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:11 pmI swear to God I’m starting to think this is a Neocon website designed to make progs look stupid.
Comment by Heckofa Tasty Brownie #4
Heckle,
Obviously you don't share the belief that something is wrong with the fact that conflicting stories to a shooting involving an imperious public official is newsworthy...
Maybe you like L'il Dick's ba*ls in your mouth...
...as for the rest of us, we'd rahther see them in a meat grinder...
...were Cheney a "regular" everyday Joe public or even a different "celebrity", this wouldn't be a story at all because the report would have been taken and completed by law enforcement in a timely fashion...
But this stinks...
everything from Katherine Armstrong "choosing" to release the story to the "local" press and consulting w/L'il dick to do it...
...to the conflicting reports on when or even "IF" law enforcement was "allowed" access to l'il Dick and the crime scene for that matter...
...don't worry about Progressives looking "stupid"...
...worry about the "double standard" these criminal mofos in the Bushite regime are enjoying when it comes to EVERYTHING...
...there is no such thing as "ACCOUNTABILITY" with this criminal cabal, and we the people should all be sick of it!
...so Heckle go find a NEOCON website and tell them how frustrated you are that Progressives like to question cover ups...
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February 14th, 2006 at 12:13 pmIt's really a simple question they ask above.
This is surely not the most trivial thing on the internet, as it deals with our media and our vice president.
I don't think anyone is making a huge deal of this story, but still there are some strange things about it.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:26 pmhaving enjoyed some of the Jabs on Cheney myself, this is getting a little TOO speculative..forgive me for bow out of these Cheney shootings =)
Saper Aude
February 14th, 2006 at 12:40 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/13.html#a7149
February 14th, 2006 at 12:43 pmCome on TP - over here - Libby says ‘his superiors’ told him to leak NIE WMD information. And guess what? Plame may have been working on Iranian and AQ Khan WMD proliferation.
‘Cheney’s got a gun’ is just another ‘missing white girl’, TP.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 14, 2006 @ 11:11 am
Terry, are you just interested in preaching to the choir?
The folks we most need to reach are the people out there who know how to hunt and who voted for Bush/Cheney in the mistaken belief that these guys were sportsmen and tough guys. This is like Terri Schiavo -- the event that rips away the carefully-applied aura of tough-guy competence to reveal the clueless paranoid elitist doofus underneath.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:47 pmstarting to wonder if this was an intentional shooting.
Comment by THOT'S — February 14, 2006 @ 12:03 pm
I had the same thought when I first heard 'ol dick had an 'accident'.
February 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pmHe went to the hospital to see if there's any need to arrange a follow-up.
CORRECTION NEEDED IN POST:
February 14th, 2006 at 12:55 pmShould be "...Cheney didn’t agree to be interviewed until SUNDAY morning" not "MONDAY morning"
one of these days, we'll all be pushing up daisies, six feet under and feeling no pain
until then, fight like hell and don't stop until the entire administration, it's apologists, and enablers are in jail
every day that passes by you and you haven't made sure that your co-worker, friend, neighbor, unknown person on the street is registered to vote, you haven't done your job
vote absentee, democratic, independent, 3rd party in november
or
5 times a day, we'll all be praying towards crawford for our dear leaders continued health and kindness
until then: UU., the President of Vice, Rummy, Gonzo, Condi
February 14th, 2006 at 1:04 pmfuck you all, with extreme prejiduce and malice beforethought
These two accounts are entirely consistent with each other if you cut through the evasions. Let me show you how:
If we take both of these to be the turth we arrive at the following scenario:
February 14th, 2006 at 1:06 pmSheriff Salinas sent Sanmiguel to the ranch Saturday evening, where he was turned away by the secret service. Monday morning Sanmiguel interviewed Cheney (possibly at the ranch, possibly elsewhere) and reported that the shooting was an accident.
#42, hmm, you may have a point: never underestimate the shallowness of the American voting public.
High crimes and misdemeanors or shooting quali without a license...? As Hilary almost said: "It only takes a blowjob"
February 14th, 2006 at 1:10 pmRemember what I said about liberals last week? How they hate Bush so much that they feel compelled to dwell entirely on the negative? How they can't seem to take up even their own best interests in a fight? This is a perfect example.
A number of things have happened in the last few days. A Hindu religious leader was assassinated in India. Nearly 20 people were killed during an engagement between Russian troops and Chechen rebels. The Palestinian Authority took anti-democratic steps to dilute the potential impact of a Hamas takeover of the new government. There have been more riots and violence in the Cartoon Intfada. Oh yeah, and a former Vice-President of the U.S. went to Saudi Arabia - during a time of war in which we are trying to encourage the growth of constitutional democracies in the region - to proclaim that America is persecuting Arabs.
All of these events are of tremendous importance, regardless of one's political allegiance. They are as important to liberals as to conservatives. They need to be discussed and their ramifications for America need to be understood. So what have liberals been flapping their gums about for the last 72 hours? Dick Cheney's hunting accident and/or the alleged delay in making it public.
Personally, this is no big deal to me. I'm sure the Vice-President is chagrined and embarrassed, and relieved that the injuries were minor. And I'm equally sure that the WH press corps is mainly upset at the fact that the story went first to an enterprising local yokel reporter. But I'm most appalled at the lack of seriousness that has, yet again, been revealed in the character of the so-called "progressive" movement.
You guys really need to get out more often. Anyone up for a quail hunt?
February 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#48 Yes you bring the pellet gun the neo-kooks rant about and I'll bring my 20 guage. shall we say 25 yards?
February 14th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWhatever happened to the notion that Secret Service agents are law enforcement officers who should report law-breaking by the people who they protect? That was Ken Starr's argument and these people defending Cheney seem to have forgotten about that. Let's subpoena the Secret Service agents and ask THEM what happened....
February 14th, 2006 at 1:34 pmIn my line of work you learn to easily read between the lines...
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com/2006/02/born-yesterday.html
The Old Man, in the field, with the shotgun and the Jameson.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:36 pmBSR,
You left out the part about your (not our) current President affectionately holding hands in an obvious lover's tryst with the Prince of Saudi Arabia. I guess gay marriage is OK if one is the President and the other a little sheet head. You be concerned with what you are told to be concerned about and we will take care of the important and true issues
February 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#50 Simple the secret service is part of the treasury department and thus in effect work for Bush-Cheney, also the fact that making the principle unhappy is not good for career progression, none of them are going to climb out on a limb.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:44 pmIt's been a while since I last hunted, and maybe this is off the mark, but I keep on wondering... How is it possible that Cheney mistook a guy for a bunch of quail?
Seriously. There is a three step process to hunting - (a) identify target; (b) aim; (c) fire. (a), (b), (c) can happen in quick succession, but the thought process is the same.
Now let's focus on (a). According to the official version of events, Cheney turned 180-degrees to where he thought a covey was rising. So, according to the official version, he heard movement behind him, thought it was a bunch of quail (no more than thirty yards away! (depending on the version of events)) and fired.
Bearing in mind the official version also claims Whittington was looking for a bird he had shot, so let's assume he was probably bent over somewhat. And he was moving around in long grass as well, according to the official version.
So basically, Cheney whilst looking for quails, failed to identify a fellow hunter (wearing orange?), no more than 30 yards away, and aimed a volley not much more than 4 feet off the ground hoping to floor a quail.
I understand hunting accidents happen - accidental discharges surely most common - but has anyone, anywhere in the world recall an incident where the victim was mistaken for a fowl. I don't care how pissed you are, that is a ridiculous case of mistaken identity. And don't forget, the official version contends that Cheney believed he was aiming at quail.
My guess - Cheney was goofing around with his rifle and accidentally let off a round. The official version is a definitely a pile of crap.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pm#48, is it really hunting to shoot a bird that was raised in captivity to be shot at once it is released? i thought hunting involved some sort of manly struggle or something.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:49 pmHeckofa Tasty Brownie said:
>The victim of this shooting is going to speak
>publicly about this and praise Cheney and you
>guys are going to look like clowns.
You are the smartest guy on here! I bow to your infinite wisdom, Brownie!
Seriously, lighten up. No need to eat your own. Everyone here knows this issue will likely be neutralized. "These are not the droids we are looking for. Move along." pretty much says it all. Don't be so condescending and jump on everyone here for airing their frustration, Brownie. We're all wondering why this incident would have kicked a Dem in the ass but seems to roll off the backs of Repubs.
The problem as I see it: Will these issues still hurt the Repubs in 2008? I doubt it, unless the Dems mount a substantive offense, quit being on the defense, and stop running like lemmings to the Center (Hilary, Lieberman, et. al.) in search of Republican votes. Dems think they can coopt the Repub platform, but the voter knows better.
February 14th, 2006 at 1:58 pmWhittington has had a minor heart attack from some of the birdshot working into his heart..... minor wound MY ASS.
February 14th, 2006 at 2:05 pmAny bets on whether or not he makes it?
February 14th, 2006 at 2:15 pmI'd say it's 50-50 about now, those blood clots have a way of killing people.
#58 especially 78 year old men.
February 14th, 2006 at 2:21 pmIt was not a minor wound. They should have told the truth from the very beginning, but they didn't, they are incapable of thinking that way.
February 14th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBecause it's the law, Cheney should have had his blood alcohol level tested but he didn't. Neo Cons don't have to obey laws.
Maybe he shouldn't be drinking, given his heart medicine might react badly with it. Maybe he shouldn't be driving, hunting, and sitting in Congress, either, but he is.
I am moving on, because he did it. He beat the law and there is nothing that can be done now. As usual, US loses, neo-cons con.
Some who post on here say this shooting incident is a distraction from more urgent news items, but those who support Cheney want a diversion from this event!
February 14th, 2006 at 3:27 pmAs long as the Bush team can continue to create confusion, they’ve won. All they have to do whenever accused is deny and get their paid media to say what they say. Then people are presented with conflicting news accounts, which neutralizes the story if the confusion goes on long enough. End of story. Don’t think for a moment that this wire tapping project of Bushy’s isn’t helping him intimidate those who would be “disloyal†He’s using it for whatever he needs to use if for. As long as he’s got a hefty number of paid reporter operatives, he can always create the psyops confusion he needs to. That’s also what McClellan was trying to do in the briefings……create confusion. Evil is like that……sneaks around in the shadows.
For what it's worth, I think suzanne nailed it. Until we find a way to stop the domination of TV and radio by paid Republican propagandists, we will make little or no progress with anything else. That is why I say that the media problem should now be our most important priority... by far... ahead of elections or voting machines or scandals or anything else.
February 14th, 2006 at 3:53 pmhttp://outside.away.com/magazine/200008/200008camp_bush4.html
February 14th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
So, now we know how it works....The next time the sherriff shows up at your door (for any reason) let alone shooting someone...Just tell them , "Hey, I'll see you Monday morning and talk to you about it
February 14th, 2006 at 5:30 pmthen."
Congratulations, Jerry Ford, we have a replacement for you in the clumsiest politician award. Only this one sold his soul to Satan.
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February 14th, 2006 at 5:34 pmScotty boy, the sputtering spinner, will probably be the next casaulty driven to hospital. He looks like his fat head is exploding. There's not too much crapola he'll be able to spitball at the gaggle of our press cause now, finally, they'll have a story they can sink their teeth into. The sponsors will be elated cause they won't have to wait for another white blonde to be kidnapped to push on their ill-informed audience. I know the spinning has begun in earnest, but even the most delusional bushwacked bigots won't be swallowing this 'hunting' accident. The mental picture of our VP of DOOM, all outfitted out in his colorful killing ensemble, emerging from his chauffeur driven SUV when the poor quail were released for his shooting fix-- priceless! And wasn't it lucky for poor (rich) Mr. Whittington that our prophet of FEAR travels on his hunts with an entire Mash unit! Oh boy Scotty, you'll be earning your bread this time, won't ya?
February 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmjust another reason for them to install Jeb as VP. Jeb the savior. jeb the prodigal son. Jeb the wonderboy.
February 14th, 2006 at 7:07 pmMr. Whittington's condition is apparently more grave than has been reported. If he dies, will V. Pres. Cheney be charged with manslaughter? Will his secret service detail be subpoenaed? Does anyone know the protocol for a sitting Vice President who accidentally shoots someone? If the VP was intoxicated at the time?
February 14th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThe two Armstrong daughters on the shoot are our only hope of ever really finding out what happened. Mom and the Ambassador are in the tank with the administration, but the daughters are younger and perhaps less well bought off. Who are they? Where are they now? Did they see the Vice President drinking that day?
February 14th, 2006 at 8:06 pmWell, of the two drunks, I guess the mumbler is preferable to the stumbler, as all he tends to butcher is words.
hahaha
February 14th, 2006 at 11:25 pmYeah, the minute they let Whittington out of intensive care he had to go right back in. I guess his HEART was "knocked silly."
They want it both ways----they couldn't concentrate on informing the media because they were all concerned with Whittington...but then they weren't all THAT worried because he just got "peppered pretty good" and it happens "all the time."
Now the Secret Service is revealing ANOTHER discrepancy in the story. Now, it appears the shooting took place *20 minutes later* at 5:50. I looked up sunset in Kenedy County Texas and it's 6:20 --- the legal limit to hunt is a half hour before sunset, so 5:50 is the ultimate last minute they can admit to having hunted. A low sun in Cheney's eyes may well have been another factor.
But why they can't get their details right even days after the event is a mystery.
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"Wait until more evidence seeps out. Here's a fresh tidbit: Late Tuesday, the Secret Service related that the shooting actually took place at 5:50 p.m. Saturday, 20 minutes later than previously stated--and therefore, right up against sunset. "
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February 15th, 2006 at 1:26 amwhy hasn't anyone considered that the GAP in communications may have been staged until it was clear if Whittington was going to survive? Had he perished in those early hours, another shooter could have been announced. none of the statements we have heard so far has defined that local authorities wanted to interview Cheney as THE SHOOTER on Saturday.
Reporters tried to get an answer as to why Whittington was in ICU for two nights before the story broke. We have heard that Andy Card had not known that Cheney was inded so involved prior to the story hitting the Internet. It is now evident that Whittington must have been closer than 30 yards, and, I have not heard anyone ask HOW the shot penetrated his vest, causing those first-reported 'chest' wounds. I believe that Whittington was transported to a smaller, out of the way, hospital.
Scotty insists that reporters must direct their inquiries to Cheney's office...which can be interpreted as 'let them clean up their own mess.'
I go for: Maybe Drunk, perhaps not getting the response he wanted from this long acquainted lawyer who might either KNOW something, or, possibly because he DID know something...while hunting on the ranch of someone who lobbied for a favoured Halliburton-like company, also hunting with a female Swiss Ambassador. Legal counsel; corporate profiteering; Swiss Banking partner? With a hunting trip arranged while THE Special Prosecutor is interviewing Cheney's lawyers the previous day?
Yep. Something smells. A simple statement on Saturday evening may have stopped any of us thinking 'conspiracy.
February 15th, 2006 at 1:53 amWhittington is just a disgruntled hunter.
February 15th, 2006 at 10:19 amOh yeah, and a former Vice-President of the U.S. went to Saudi Arabia - during a time of war in which we are trying to encourage the growth of constitutional democracies in the region - to proclaim that America is persecuting Arabs.
Comment by Blue State Red #48
Blueba*ls inbRed,
...in an effort to let the Arabs and the WORLD know that we Americans are not all WHACKED out with Bushiva and Cheney juice...
Give these traitors Bushiva and L'il Dick another year and you republiscum traitors- instead of quail- may become the "prey d' jour"...
Blueba*ls, why do you (and your treasonous inbred ilk) hate our Constitutional democracy, and way of life?
February 15th, 2006 at 12:39 pmFox killing the story that won't die...
The sitting vice president shoots a 78-year-old man with a shotgun while hunting illegally. Then he avoids authorities. Then the administration actively covers up key details. Then the victim has a minor heart attack. But Bill O'Reilly doesn't think ...
February 15th, 2006 at 6:50 pmHa... Trying to say that Cheney was hunting quail illegally now? You left-wingers are REALLY outlandish.
Is this all you do is sit around waiting for something to happen so you can spin it into another completely false story?
Why don't you look at something objectively for a change?
Have you ever thought that maybe... Just maybe... TBIS is the reason that you haven't won any major elections in the last six years?
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 am