Comments on: Scalia: The Constitution is dead, you idiot. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:02:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: bigballa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-3/#comment-458276 bigballa Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:15:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-458276 Where are all you liberal bloggers? Did Holy Crap and I shut you down? That's not fun!! Where are all you liberal bloggers? Did Holy Crap and I shut you down? That’s not fun!!

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-452935 Holy Crap Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:02:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-452935 Good analysis bigballa. This is why Scalia calls himself a textualist. James Madison argued for this approach long ago. Good analysis bigballa. This is why Scalia calls himself a textualist. James Madison argued for this approach long ago.

]]> By: bigballa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-452071 bigballa Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:15:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-452071 Gene - my apologies...I guess I was just making a point. It seems liberals tend to "name-call" more than debate the issues, and I get a little impatient with those who do it too much. Going back to this Scalia/living Constitution issue - one can be an originalist (such as Scalia) and relevantly apply the principles of the Founding Fathers to today's times through correct methods instead of throwing away old principles and arbitrarily coming up with new ones a la "substantive due process." For example, the best way to apply old principles is through "exegesis" and "hermaneutics." Basically, exegesis is the art of understanding a text in its historical context to derive the meaning of a word correctly. The meaning/principle is then "extracted" from the historical context (because principles are timeless truths that can apply to new facts and circumstances), and (here comes the hermaneutics) are then applied to new facts not yet envisioned by those back in history. This process does seem similar to the living Constitution idea; however, this method does not change the principle, whereas the living constitution allows principles to change when one arbitrarily feels like it. Justices like Scalia and Thomas tend to use this "exegesis" and "hermaneutical" approach when interpreting the Constitution (thus keeping principles and the rule of law consistent over time...stare decisis), instead of actually changing the principles over time to fit the (ultimately arrogant) whims of the justices when they apply this "living Constitution" idea. Basically, the justices who do not do the work of exegesis and hermaneutics are basically lazy and disrespectful (to the forefathers), and even arrogant (in thinking that their temporal notions of justice is supreme to hundreds of years of time-tested and refined law). This is why I like Scalia, and why his jurisprudence is still relevant today. He applies the Constitutional principles to new facts through the humble and submissive method of exegesis and hermaneutics, and not by arbitrarily and even arrogantly changing the Constitution through the "living Constitutional" method talked about today in liberal circles. Gene – my apologies…I guess I was just making a point. It seems liberals tend to “name-call” more than debate the issues, and I get a little impatient with those who do it too much.
Going back to this Scalia/living Constitution issue – one can be an originalist (such as Scalia) and relevantly apply the principles of the Founding Fathers to today’s times through correct methods instead of throwing away old principles and arbitrarily coming up with new ones a la “substantive due process.”
For example, the best way to apply old principles is through “exegesis” and “hermaneutics.” Basically, exegesis is the art of understanding a text in its historical context to derive the meaning of a word correctly. The meaning/principle is then “extracted” from the historical context (because principles are timeless truths that can apply to new facts and circumstances), and (here comes the hermaneutics) are then applied to new facts not yet envisioned by those back in history. This process does seem similar to the living Constitution idea; however, this method does not change the principle, whereas the living constitution allows principles to change when one arbitrarily feels like it.
Justices like Scalia and Thomas tend to use this “exegesis” and “hermaneutical” approach when interpreting the Constitution (thus keeping principles and the rule of law consistent over time…stare decisis), instead of actually changing the principles over time to fit the (ultimately arrogant) whims of the justices when they apply this “living Constitution” idea. Basically, the justices who do not do the work of exegesis and hermaneutics are basically lazy and disrespectful (to the forefathers), and even arrogant (in thinking that their temporal notions of justice is supreme to hundreds of years of time-tested and refined law).
This is why I like Scalia, and why his jurisprudence is still relevant today. He applies the Constitutional principles to new facts through the humble and submissive method of exegesis and hermaneutics, and not by arbitrarily and even arrogantly changing the Constitution through the “living Constitutional” method talked about today in liberal circles.

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451620 Holy Crap Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:38:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451620 Go easy on Gene, bigballa. Gene, I was making a point, sorry if I insulted you. Listen, my whole point to you has been to think about things and not resort to emotions to help you make decisions. Look at your positions, write them down. I will bet that every one starts with "I feel." Even if you did not write it, I would guess that your thought process started that way. Example: Oil companies (I feel they charge too much for gasoline, therefore, they are bad), etc. I am sorry that you feel you must have contempt for me, that is quite weak. You are really quick to stereotype, think about that tomorrow as you go about your day. Come on, I am a wealthy person because I am conservative. I must work for Haliburton too... BTW, GWB is not dumb. He is at about the 95 percentile of American adults. He is no Ben Stein, but he is far from an idiot. He is a bad public speaker, however. Go easy on Gene, bigballa. Gene, I was making a point, sorry if I insulted you. Listen, my whole point to you has been to think about things and not resort to emotions to help you make decisions.

Look at your positions, write them down. I will bet that every one starts with “I feel.” Even if you did not write it, I would guess that your thought process started that way.

Example: Oil companies (I feel they charge too much for gasoline, therefore, they are bad), etc.

I am sorry that you feel you must have contempt for me, that is quite weak. You are really quick to stereotype, think about that tomorrow as you go about your day. Come on, I am a wealthy person because I am conservative. I must work for Haliburton too…

BTW, GWB is not dumb. He is at about the 95 percentile of American adults. He is no Ben Stein, but he is far from an idiot. He is a bad public speaker, however.

]]> By: bigballa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451600 bigballa Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:42:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451600 Gene, you keep calling George W. Bush "Dumbya" (obviously implying that he's dumb and stupid). But let's look at your comments and evaluate your intellect... 1. comment 80, paragraph 1 - you failed to hyphenate the word "drug laced"; you end the next-to-last sentence with both a period and an exclamation mark, and you inexplicably added a comma where one is not needed in the last sentence (you generally only add one where the part after the comma is an independent clause). 2. comment 80, paragraph 2 - I assume you meant to write "detractors" instead of "distractors," and the last sentence does not use any parallel sentence structure. 3. comment 80, paragraph 3 - I assume you meant to write "Emperor" instead of "Emperior"; in the sencond sentence, you should have written "than" instead of "that" after the word "dumber." In fact, the second purported sentence is not really a sentence at all - it has no subject (like in the subject/verb/object sentence structure). In the third sentence, "night-mare" should not be hyphenated. 4. comment 88, next-to-last word - you should have written "somewhere" instead of "womewhere." 5. comment 91, sentence 1 - the @ symbol should have been a #; there should be no comma in the second sentence; in the third sentence, "no-body" should not be hyphenated; the third sentence is not clear because you have "how" and "why" directly next to each other with the parenthetical between them; the fourth sentence is not a sentence either - it has no subject (as in subject/verb/object structure), and "weak minded" should be hyphenated; in the sixth sentence, the comma should go inside the quotes, as in "States Rights,"; the sixth sentence is also not a sentence because there is no subject again - the parenthetical negates the subject of the sentence; and also in the sixth sentence, "Federial" shuld be "Federal." In the seventh sentence, there should be no comma - it should be a semicolon or hyphen (by the way, you mention that you will admit when you are wrong in that sentence...do you admit to all of these?). In the eighth and ninth sentences, the words "your" should be "you're" - a contraction, because you really mean to say "you are," not the possessive "your." Finally, in the tenth and final sentence, "engery" should be "energy"; and there should be no comma - it should be a hyphen, and the "your" should again be "you're." Comments 94 and 96 are way too bad...I'll stop while I'm still sane. By the way, I failed English one semester in high school, so don't say I'm an English teaher or anything. MY POINT IN ALL OF THIS - who needs an education - Dubya or Gene Campbell. By the way, how's that Central Florida education anyway? If it is a decent education, and I am affiliated with CF in anyway, I'd kick you out so as not to taint my school... Gene, you keep calling George W. Bush “Dumbya” (obviously implying that he’s dumb and stupid). But let’s look at your comments and evaluate your intellect…

1. comment 80, paragraph 1 – you failed to hyphenate the word “drug laced”; you end the next-to-last sentence with both a period and an exclamation mark, and you inexplicably added a comma where one is not needed in the last sentence (you generally only add one where the part after the comma is an independent clause).

2. comment 80, paragraph 2 – I assume you meant to write “detractors” instead of “distractors,” and the last sentence does not use any parallel sentence structure.

3. comment 80, paragraph 3 – I assume you meant to write “Emperor” instead of “Emperior”; in the sencond sentence, you should have written “than” instead of “that” after the word “dumber.” In fact, the second purported sentence is not really a sentence at all – it has no subject (like in the subject/verb/object sentence structure). In the third sentence, “night-mare” should not be hyphenated.

4. comment 88, next-to-last word – you should have written “somewhere” instead of “womewhere.”

5. comment 91, sentence 1 – the @ symbol should have been a #; there should be no comma in the second sentence; in the third sentence, “no-body” should not be hyphenated; the third sentence is not clear because you have “how” and “why” directly next to each other with the parenthetical between them; the fourth sentence is not a sentence either – it has no subject (as in subject/verb/object structure), and “weak minded” should be hyphenated; in the sixth sentence, the comma should go inside the quotes, as in “States Rights,”; the sixth sentence is also not a sentence because there is no subject again – the parenthetical negates the subject of the sentence; and also in the sixth sentence, “Federial” shuld be “Federal.” In the seventh sentence, there should be no comma – it should be a semicolon or hyphen (by the way, you mention that you will admit when you are wrong in that sentence…do you admit to all of these?). In the eighth and ninth sentences, the words “your” should be “you’re” – a contraction, because you really mean to say “you are,” not the possessive “your.” Finally, in the tenth and final sentence, “engery” should be “energy”; and there should be no comma – it should be a hyphen, and the “your” should again be “you’re.”

Comments 94 and 96 are way too bad…I’ll stop while I’m still sane. By the way, I failed English one semester in high school, so don’t say I’m an English teaher or anything. MY POINT IN ALL OF THIS – who needs an education – Dubya or Gene Campbell. By the way, how’s that Central Florida education anyway? If it is a decent education, and I am affiliated with CF in anyway, I’d kick you out so as not to taint my school…

]]> By: Gene Campbell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451562 Gene Campbell Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:37:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451562 Let's put it this way, your contempt for me is fine, I really don't give a shit what YOU think of me. MY contempt for you is equal. Insult me all you want, but Dumbya's numbers are down, and will stay down...most people don't like the way the direction the country is going. So keep deceving yourself that Dumbya, and the Republicans in congress are the greatest thing since sliced bred... oh, by the just keep kissing Dumby's ass, he'll love ya for it... Gene Campbell Central Florida Let’s put it this way, your contempt for me is fine, I really don’t give a shit what YOU think of me. MY contempt for you is equal. Insult me all you want, but Dumbya’s numbers are down, and will stay down…most people don’t like the way the direction the country is going. So keep deceving yourself that Dumbya, and the Republicans in congress are the greatest thing since sliced bred… oh, by the just keep kissing Dumby’s ass, he’ll love ya for it…

Gene Campbell
Central Florida

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451522 Holy Crap Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:26:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451522 Come on Gene, learn a little about: 1. Supreme Court 2. Electoral College 3. Economics Your irrational Bush hatred is showing. BTW, your life history is irrelevant to me. If Hitler said 2+2=4, and Ghandi said 2+2=95, I would agree with Hitler. Your might be a good person and a patriotic American, but that does not mean that the Supreme Court "installed" the current President. Come on Gene, learn a little about:

1. Supreme Court

2. Electoral College

3. Economics

Your irrational Bush hatred is showing. BTW, your life history is irrelevant to me. If Hitler said 2+2=4, and Ghandi said 2+2=95, I would agree with Hitler. Your might be a good person and a patriotic American, but that does not mean that the Supreme Court “installed” the current President.

]]> By: Gene Campbell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451487 Gene Campbell Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:48:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451487 To #92 your right,it did take 5, and right again on the decisions the court has make, I stand corrected, It in my opionon, thu, THEY shouldn't have gotten involved in THAT case. It shold have ran it's course in Florida until the re-count was done. And yes, I do lean liberal to moderate, and to both of you (#93) I did "grow up" and in the 60's and 70's. I "grew up" very fast. In a family of 7 kids of working class parents. When I was 17, one of my older brothers was murdered, he was 19 , married and had a son. I had to go to where my dad worked and tell him what happened. My dad, as an Iwo Jima marine, to see his reaction, wasn't pretty. I had another older brother, he couldn't get drafted (flat feet) guess who did? My lottery # 70..year 1971, this was a year after my other brother died. My dad didn't want me in the Army, for ovious reasons,( a higher chance of dying in Vietnan)so at 18, I joined the Navy, either way I was going. At 19. like hundreds of thousands of others, I went to the far east, including Vietnam. Two years later, I was in the north Alantic serving on a missle carrying submarine. I served 3 years 11 months, and 27 days, and earned a honorable discharge. Oh, and the guy who killed my brother, he got less then 3 years in jail..! I served more time "doing the right thing" he got a better deal then I did..! Annoyed and angry, you bet your sweet ass.! Still a liberal and still patriotic ! Why tell you this, because, it's the poor and working class who are asked to give the greastest sacafice, and have the LEAST to lose, as far as wealth and status are concerned. Even in the volinteer military, it's still working class and poor who join, to get "a leg up" with benefits, such as education. It ANNOYS me, that those in power, (for the most part), found ways to hide, avoid, and run away from their PATRIOTIC duty. You'll say the prez, I don't think so, a easy way in, didn't want to serve anymore, and writes up his own discharge papers..what a guy! Cheney, a waste. The worst comptempt, thu, is for Congress-thing, Turd DeFly, IT bragged that "minorities and others wanted to take IT's place during Vietnam...a gutless shit-eating pest. IT lost it's power base, good riddance..! The prez's own mother, didn't want to "waste her beatiful mind" on such trivial things such as the wounded, dead, and dying fighting in the Afghan, and Iraqi wars...what a gal..! What's all this have to do with Scalia, and the Court? They installed the most corrupt admin. in modern history. They ENABLED this gang to bankrupt the nation, both in reckless tax cuts, that benefit 1 percent of the most wealthest people in the country, and for reckless imperial war in Iraq (the Afgan War in the only legal war we shold be fighting). They have put this country on a radical conservtive course that most of us DO NOT AGREE with ! When the prez says he's "working for the American people" he's talking about the 1 percent, or about 6 million Americans..what a guy..! As a patriotic American, I believe, that if we don't make a historic change direction, a once great nation, will be a second rate world power. This, I blame on the "gang of five" who put His Royal Highness, Dumbya, in the White House. I guess I just didn't grow up, being a lefty product of the '60' and all. Gene Campbell Central Florida To #92 your right,it did take 5, and right again on the decisions the court has make, I stand corrected, It in my opionon, thu, THEY shouldn’t have gotten involved in THAT case. It shold have ran it’s course in Florida until the re-count was done.

And yes, I do lean liberal to moderate, and to both of you (#93) I did “grow up” and in the 60’s and 70’s. I “grew up” very fast. In a family of 7 kids of working class parents. When I was 17, one of my older brothers was murdered, he was 19 , married and had a son. I had to go to where my dad worked and tell him what happened. My dad, as an Iwo Jima marine, to see his reaction, wasn’t pretty. I had another older brother, he couldn’t get drafted (flat feet) guess who did? My lottery # 70..year 1971, this was a year after my other brother died. My dad didn’t want me in the Army, for ovious reasons,( a higher chance of dying in Vietnan)so at 18, I joined the Navy, either way I was going. At 19. like hundreds of thousands of others, I went to the far east, including Vietnam. Two years later, I was in the north Alantic serving on a missle carrying submarine. I served 3 years 11 months, and 27 days, and earned a honorable discharge. Oh, and the guy who killed my brother, he got less then 3 years in jail..! I served more time “doing the right thing” he got a better deal then I did..! Annoyed and angry, you bet your sweet ass.! Still a liberal and still patriotic !

Why tell you this, because, it’s the poor and working class who are asked to give the greastest sacafice, and have the LEAST to lose, as far as wealth and status are concerned. Even in the volinteer military, it’s still working class and poor who join, to get “a leg up” with benefits, such as education. It ANNOYS me, that those in power, (for the most part), found ways to hide, avoid, and run away from their PATRIOTIC duty. You’ll say the prez, I don’t think so, a easy way in, didn’t want to serve anymore, and writes up his own discharge papers..what a guy! Cheney, a waste. The worst comptempt, thu, is for Congress-thing, Turd DeFly, IT bragged that “minorities and others wanted to take IT’s place during Vietnam…a gutless shit-eating pest. IT lost it’s power base, good riddance..! The prez’s own mother, didn’t want to “waste her beatiful mind” on such trivial things such as the wounded, dead, and dying fighting in the Afghan, and Iraqi wars…what a gal..!

What’s all this have to do with Scalia, and the Court? They installed the most corrupt admin. in modern history. They ENABLED this gang to bankrupt the nation, both in reckless tax cuts, that benefit 1 percent of the most wealthest people in the country, and for reckless imperial war in Iraq (the Afgan War in the only legal war we shold be fighting). They have put this country on a radical conservtive course that most of us DO NOT AGREE with ! When the prez says he’s “working for the American people” he’s talking about the 1 percent, or about 6 million Americans..what a guy..! As a patriotic American, I believe, that if we don’t make a historic change direction, a once great nation, will be a second rate world power. This, I blame on the “gang of five” who put His Royal Highness, Dumbya, in the White House. I guess I just didn’t grow up, being a lefty product of the ‘60′ and all.

Gene Campbell
Central Florida

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451228 Holy Crap Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:27:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451228 Oh yeah, Gene, I think that it is highly likely that a lot of things annoy you. I guess "entitled" is lefty speak for wealty. The 60's are over Gene, sorry. Oh yeah, Gene, I think that it is highly likely that a lot of things annoy you. I guess “entitled” is lefty speak for wealty. The 60’s are over Gene, sorry.

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-451226 Holy Crap Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:24:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-451226 Funny thing is Gene, Scalia did not stop the Florida recount. It takes a majority vote of 5. The will of the Florida Supreme Court is not what an election is based on. Your guy lost. Deal with it. You cannot reinterpret the rules just because you did not win the game. Learn a little about Federalism, just because someone is a Federalists does not mean that everything should be deferred to the States. The Supreme Court has the power to review decisions by the state Supreme Courts. It is that simple. Of course, your a liberal, so it is all about the way you "feel" about something or someone. Grow up. Funny thing is Gene, Scalia did not stop the Florida recount. It takes a majority vote of 5. The will of the Florida Supreme Court is not what an election is based on.

Your guy lost. Deal with it. You cannot reinterpret the rules just because you did not win the game.

Learn a little about Federalism, just because someone is a Federalists does not mean that everything should be deferred to the States. The Supreme Court has the power to review decisions by the state Supreme Courts. It is that simple.

Of course, your a liberal, so it is all about the way you “feel” about something or someone. Grow up.

]]> By: Gene Campbell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-450597 Gene Campbell Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:35:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-450597 To @89, Well I guess I must be in good company with your boy, fat-ass Nino. HIS "logical argument" in the 2000 election, was VERY WEAK indeed..! No-body could figure how (for a while) WHY he stopped the Florida recount! And indeed, a WEAK MINDED bunch of nonsense that he wrote. Here, your aloof, arrogant, snooty, smug, overbearing asshole, Nino, pulled a fast one. A believer in "States Rights" , (we're told) he uses the heavy hand of the Federial Government to crush the WILL of the Florida Supreme Court..what a guy..! The only thing that annoys me is that you guys are NEVER WRONG about anything, I'll admit I"m wrong when I'm proven wrong. You guys, even when your WRONG, will say that your RIGHT, no matter what..Your probably typical of the elitist, "entitled" member of the radiical right wing to the "Imperial Republican Party..I've wasted too much engery on the likes of you, your not worth it... Gene Campbell Central Florida To @89, Well I guess I must be in good company with your boy, fat-ass Nino. HIS “logical argument” in the 2000 election, was VERY WEAK indeed..! No-body could figure how (for a while) WHY he stopped the Florida recount! And indeed, a WEAK MINDED bunch of nonsense that he wrote. Here, your aloof, arrogant, snooty, smug, overbearing asshole, Nino, pulled a fast one. A believer in “States Rights” , (we’re told) he uses the heavy hand of the Federial Government to crush the WILL of the Florida Supreme Court..what a guy..! The only thing that annoys me is that you guys are NEVER WRONG about anything, I’ll admit I”m wrong when I’m proven wrong. You guys, even when your WRONG, will say that your RIGHT, no matter what..Your probably typical of the elitist, “entitled” member of the radiical right wing to the “Imperial Republican Party..I’ve wasted too much engery on the likes of you, your not worth it…

Gene Campbell
Central Florida

]]> By: bethtopaz http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-450243 bethtopaz Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:10:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-450243 <strong>I'd rather go hunting with Vice President Dick Cheney, than ride in a car with Senator Ted Kennedy.</strong> I’d rather go hunting with Vice President Dick Cheney, than ride in a car with Senator Ted Kennedy.

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449921 Holy Crap Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:28:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449921 Well Gene, why don't some of the regulars on this forum post a logical argument. It annoys you when you are wrong, doesn't it? I guess great minds think alike, and weak minds, well, think alike. Well Gene, why don’t some of the regulars on this forum post a logical argument. It annoys you when you are wrong, doesn’t it? I guess great minds think alike, and weak minds, well, think alike.

]]> By: gene campbell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449772 gene campbell Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:46:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449772 Some of you on this site must have hit a nerve with the radical right-wing cornballs who come over to comment on this site. They're like annoying flies...they eat shit (getting thier talking points from radical right-wing think tanks) and coming over here to bother PEOPLE..why don't they buzz off, and be a pain in the ass womewhere else? Gene Campbell Central Florida Some of you on this site must have hit a nerve with the radical right-wing cornballs who come over to comment on this site. They’re like annoying flies…they eat shit (getting thier talking points from radical right-wing think tanks) and coming over here to bother PEOPLE..why don’t they buzz off, and be a pain in the ass womewhere else?

Gene Campbell
Central Florida

]]> By: bigballa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449541 bigballa Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:24:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449541 By the way, I am not mad at homosexuals. I think the lifestyle is sad...and not being able to procreate disallows the joys of bearing children, among other things. And the simple logical fact is that you will die out. It's actually sad. That's all. I was making my previous point logically, not in anger. By the way, I am not mad at homosexuals. I think the lifestyle is sad…and not being able to procreate disallows the joys of bearing children, among other things. And the simple logical fact is that you will die out. It’s actually sad. That’s all.
I was making my previous point logically, not in anger.

]]> By: bigballa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449526 bigballa Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449526 Ditto 83. The Amendments ARE a part of the Constitution. And anyone who knows anything about Scalia knows that he supports the Amendments. Why? B/c they are voted on widely through a representative democracy in each state. Therefore, the will of the poeple (freedom, anyone?) govern. What all you liberals want is what we as Americans fought against (Revolutionary War, anyone?)...tyranny. Why? Because you want to be governed by a few people (5 Justices) in order to gain abortion and homosexual rights. I am not necessarily against those, by the way...and if they are democratically voted on, I support them. The question is: who governs? The people, or a tyrannical oligarchy composed of a few people. And furthermore, what if those 5 people have different views in a few years? Do you want them deciding those same issues? Oligarchies create chaos and oppression. Why want it? If you want certain laws passed - go vote for it! And go live in that jurisdiction. In fact, why don't all homosexuals move to a state, and vote for homosexual rights in every way. Then we'll we'll wait a few years for all of you to [not pro-create] and die out. Ditto 83. The Amendments ARE a part of the Constitution. And anyone who knows anything about Scalia knows that he supports the Amendments. Why? B/c they are voted on widely through a representative democracy in each state. Therefore, the will of the poeple (freedom, anyone?) govern.
What all you liberals want is what we as Americans fought against (Revolutionary War, anyone?)…tyranny. Why? Because you want to be governed by a few people (5 Justices) in order to gain abortion and homosexual rights. I am not necessarily against those, by the way…and if they are democratically voted on, I support them.
The question is: who governs? The people, or a tyrannical oligarchy composed of a few people. And furthermore, what if those 5 people have different views in a few years? Do you want them deciding those same issues? Oligarchies create chaos and oppression. Why want it?
If you want certain laws passed – go vote for it! And go live in that jurisdiction. In fact, why don’t all homosexuals move to a state, and vote for homosexual rights in every way. Then we’ll we’ll wait a few years for all of you to [not pro-create] and die out.

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449274 Holy Crap Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:17:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449274 Oh yeah, number 62, what exactly is the Federalist society in charge of? Federalism? Oh yeah, number 62, what exactly is the Federalist society in charge of? Federalism?

]]> By: Holy Crap http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449273 Holy Crap Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:14:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449273 Looks like the lefties have never read the constitution. Slavery was enshrined in the Constitution? LOL. The arguments (and spelling) on this site are abysmal. You have to love that "imperial judiciary", at least when they are on your side. Looks like the lefties have never read the constitution. Slavery was enshrined in the Constitution? LOL. The arguments (and spelling) on this site are abysmal. You have to love that “imperial judiciary”, at least when they are on your side.

]]> By: wodehousian http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449257 wodehousian Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:37:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449257 If I wasn't conservative already, this thread would make me one. The level of spite and unbelievably foolish reasoning is truly wondrous to behold. Are the readers here so ignorant of the other side that they have no idea what Originalism actually believes? Or do they just prefer attacking straw justices? The amendment process is IN THE CONSTITUTION. That's the whole point of original approaches -- if you want the Constitution to change, you actually CHANGE it. You don't just make up new provisions whole cloth, you go through the amendment process. This preserves one the genius of the American system -- the rule of law. Instead of being ruled by the whims of life-tenured judges, we're judged by a stable body of constitutional law. The Constitution changes, but in a way which is transparent and accountable to the people. They have a chance during the amendment process to pressure their legislators at both the state and federal level. That's democracy. If I wasn’t conservative already, this thread would make me one. The level of spite and unbelievably foolish reasoning is truly wondrous to behold.

Are the readers here so ignorant of the other side that they have no idea what Originalism actually believes? Or do they just prefer attacking straw justices?

The amendment process is IN THE CONSTITUTION. That’s the whole point of original approaches — if you want the Constitution to change, you actually CHANGE it. You don’t just make up new provisions whole cloth, you go through the amendment process.

This preserves one the genius of the American system — the rule of law. Instead of being ruled by the whims of life-tenured judges, we’re judged by a stable body of constitutional law. The Constitution changes, but in a way which is transparent and accountable to the people. They have a chance during the amendment process to pressure their legislators at both the state and federal level. That’s democracy.

]]> By: Oregon Lawyer http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/comment-page-2/#comment-449253 Oregon Lawyer Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:21:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/scalia-the-constitution-is-dead-you-idiot/#comment-449253 Ditto 81. Is this the best the left wing wackos can come up with? Of course Scalia doesn't have a problem with amendments as long as the procedure for amendment in the Constitution is followed! I wonder how long liberals would continue to support the "living Constitution" idea if conservative wackos got on the Court and decided that in our modern age, and given the imperatives of terrorism, and the power of computers, that no one has any reasonable expectation of privacy and therefore the 4th Amendment no longer applies to searches of our homes. There are many other possible examples, but conservatives and originalists would equally appalled as such nonsense. Ditto 81. Is this the best the left wing wackos can come up with? Of course Scalia doesn’t have a problem with amendments as long as the procedure for amendment in the Constitution is followed! I wonder how long liberals would continue to support the “living Constitution” idea if conservative wackos got on the Court and decided that in our modern age, and given the imperatives of terrorism, and the power of computers, that no one has any reasonable expectation of privacy and therefore the 4th Amendment no longer applies to searches of our homes. There are many other possible examples, but conservatives and originalists would equally appalled as such nonsense.

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