AND…about Cheney being an alcoholic…he was kicked out of college for drinking. HOW much does one have to drink to get kicked out of *college* for it, for chrissake.

If the White House, and all the inconsistant “statements” from the “experts eye witnesses” around this basic little story doesn’t point out the obvious.

They KNOWINGLY LIE and decieve.

His obvious …screw you…you can’t touch me attitude is embarassing.

If they (Cheney handlers) will go to this length to cover up, confuse and lie about this…imagine (wink wink) what is happening with everything else!

For the last 5 years Republicans have been defending this moron and the rest of this administration. They suggest that on every “inconsistant instance” that either it was “faulty” information or someone elses fault. They continue to point out over and over again that they never “misled’ anyone…the real truth is they LIED.

This administration has “zero zip zulch” credibility!! Charge this man.
Enough already.

We don’t know what Cheney was shooting or what kind of rounds loaded with what kind of shot he was firing because whatever happened was covered up. Period.

Spudge,

The original M16, Nam era, was a full auto weapon. That caused the tubes to overheat and burn out quick, the rifling was gone and that led to the dum-dum effect of the rounds. The 3 round burst was implemented to alleviate that problem. Now while it is true that the weight in grains of your standard .223 round is very light, 155, I think, as compared to the heavier weight of the NATO 7.62 projectile, the muzzle velocity of the M 16 is almost 4000 fps and it has a very high penetration. The problem is that it’s mass is so low that most of the energy is expended at the strike point and it is easily deflected by bone or other internal structures with mass. This also leads to the phenomenon you speak off but don’t kid yourself. That round can go through a couple of people at close range.

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Now, I can’t make it any more clear. Armstrong’s story DOESN’T change. This is a crap article and I’m disappointed with Think Progress, who’s work is usually stellar.

I will agree with your point, but it doesn’t make it a crap story, it makes it a crap headline as you pointed out.

I think we can safely rule out a .223, since that would have gone all the way through the man and disappeared in the distance.

Uncle Sam,

I was in the US Army and was trained on the M-16A2. The .223 round from an M16-A2 would not go all the way through a man, just as a standard .22 long rifle wouldn’t. They are notorious for bouncing around inside of people. Sometimes they come out, but no in the front of you shoulder, say and out the back. More like in the front of your shoulder and out by your kidney.

You could make the round go in the front of a shoulder and out the back of that shoulder, but the person would have to be very very close.

ThinkProgress seems a bit obsessed about the Cheney story.

Although it should be noted that all claims that Valerie Plame was outed were just shredded tonight.

Vice President Cheney mentioned that he has the power to declassify classified information.

And I believe that opens up the possibility that if information about Plame was classified, then it was declassified in 2003 to allow for the legal disclosure of Plame’s role in the Joe Wilson story.

Comment by Gary Ruppert — February 15, 2006 @ 10:46 pm

Oh boy, I hope you are going with Cheney on the leak, because, it has been proven that Plame was not only under cover when she was outed, but she was also working on Irans nuclear weapons program. You know, the US’ next target.

If we get screwed by Iran, it will directly be Cheney’s fault.

Keep rooting for Cheney did it. I am 100% behind you.

Whether the shot in Whittington is really BB and whether BB is available for 28 gauge are entirely different matters. BB is actually 4.57 mm, so 5 is rounding up to the nearest sized shot.

28 gauge is not a widely used bore and the shells can be hard to come by. A lot of people apparently load their own in order to get the load they want.

All this makes for another question. How did Whittington get a BB shot in him when the official report says Cheney was shooting #7 1/2 shot (2.39 mm in diameter,350 to the ounce).

Comment by Uncle Sam

I was only telling you that 5 mm is about the diameter of a .22. There are even kits for AR 15s to convert them to fire .22 longrifle. You don’t have to even mod the barrel. The number of pellets depends on the size of the shot and if the gun is chambered for reg or magnum rounds.