Tucker Carlson: “You Can’t Drink A Beer If You Shoot. Period.”
Tucker Carlson: “You Can’t Drink A Beer If You Shoot. Period.”
Last night on his MSNBC show, conservative pundit Tucker Carlson said it was “totally unacceptable” for Vice President Cheney to drink prior to hunting. Carlson said, “I’ve been on dozens of hunts, there’s no beer served as lunch. You can’t drink a beer if you shoot, period. Doesn’t matter if you’re shooting five hours after, you’re not allowed to do it.”
He also made a couple of other important points:
1. Cheney “does take heart medication that, combined with alcohol, could make him a bit woozy.”
2. “[W]e don’t have a blood alcohol reading from the Vice President, we don’t know what exactly was in his blood.”
Full Transcript:
CARLSON: So was it irresponsible for the Vice President to fire a weapon after having a beer? After all, the man does take heart medication that, combined with alcohol, could make him a bit woozy. We bring in now former deputy assistant to the President, Brad Blakeman. He joins us live tonight from Washington. Brad, thanks for coming on.
BLAKEMAN: Pleasure Tucker.
CARLSON: I suspect you think a lot of this controversy over how the Vice President handled his press operations is overblown and silly.
BLAKEMAN: Absolutely.
CARLSON: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think it’s been an embarrassment to the press corps and I’m embarrassed to be a journalist when I see it. However, the question of whether the Vice President was drinking before he shot, even one beer, I think is significant because you’re not supposed to do that.
BLAKEMAN: Well, that’s not so. It’s a situation where the Vice President admitted he had one beer at lunch, five hours prior to the incident. And as a matter of law, and as a matter of science, that one beer could not have had any impact on the Vice President one way or the other.
CARLSON: Well, I don’t know we know it was five hours before the incident. I don’t think in his interview today – unless you’ve spoken to him separately – I don’t think he was that specific. But we don’t – and of course because we don’t have a blood alcohol reading from the Vice President, we don’t know what exactly was in his blood – But we do know, that it is considered totally unacceptable, and I’m sure you know this and I can tell you if you don’t, to drink before shooting. People just don’t do it and they don’t do it because it’s a very dangerous sport and it gets more dangerous if you drink.
BLAKEMAN: It depends on when you ingested the drink. And if you ingested the drink five hours or four hours even before shooting – one beer. It cannot have a deteriorous effect on you as a matter of science. It’s completely out of your science.
CARLSON: Huh, that’s interesting. I don’t think that’s settled science. And I —
BLAKEMAN: I have it right here with me –
CARLSON: Let me just finish my sentence. I don’t think that we know what medications the Vice President is on. I think we know that he is on some medications to respond to the coronary problems that he’s had. And it’s not clear what effect the mixture of beer with those medicines has, and I guess my question to you Brad, is why take the chance? The reason people don’t drink before they hunt – and they’re really uptight about it in most hunts. I mean they say, you can’t drink, period, until you put the gun down for the rest of the day. And the reason they do that is why take the chance? Why did he take the chance? Why do this?
BLAKEMAN: There is no chance. One beer, cannot – and I have the figures right here with me, the blood alcohol charts – that a man of his size, his age, and one beer ingested, which he admitted to – he said I drank one beer with lunch, four to five hours before the incident – it cannot, as a matter of science, have any effect, whatsoever, on a human being. Now, you talk about medication. The Vice President travels with a doctor. Do you think the doctor would have allowed him to have one beer if it would have had a deterious effect on his health? I think not.
CARLSON: I think Cheney gets to do pretty much whatever he wants, which is why he got to have a beer at lunch on a hunt. I’ve been on dozens of hunts, there’s no beer served as lunch. You can’t drink a beer if you shoot, period. Doesn’t matter if you’re shooting five hours after, you’re not allowed to do it. This is the only time I’ve ever heard of it, and I think he gets to do it because he’s the Vice President. So no, I don’t think his doctor’s going to tell him to not have a beer.
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The vipers are turning on one another.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:15 amWhen I was real young, I wrapped my girlfriends car around a lampost.
Of course I was drunk as a skunk, and I knew as soon as the cops got their I was going to jail for a DUI.
So what did I do?
Flagged down a Motorist and got the hell out of there of course.
Oh sure, the police tried to get me with leaving the scene, but this was a lampost, not another car, so I just said I needed to get medical attention. It worked.
See, when that accident happens, and you’re drunk, you don’t want to talk to the cops until the next day. That way they can’t test you for booze.
It worked for me back then.
Worked for Cheney on Saturday.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:16 amJudd you are a crack whore.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:16 amShorter Blakeman: “I will defend the Vice President ’til the end of time”.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:17 amTucker meet testicles, testicles meet Tucker.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:18 amWell, the important thing is that we’re reminded of Chappaquiddik.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:18 amWhat the hell go into Carlson? Maybe they are throwing Cheney under the bus.
Plus note that the actual shooting might have been 4 or 5 hours later, but they went out hunting at 3, which could have been as little as an hour and a half later.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:19 am“CARLSON: I suspect you think a lot of this controversy over how the Vice President handled his press operations is overblown and silly.
BLAKEMAN: Absolutely.
CARLSON: Yeah, I completely agree with you”
God DAMN they’re idiots.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:20 amAnother really smart move Cheney did, was having a “cocktail” after the fact.
This way, in case the police refused to wait to interview him on a shooting until the next day, he would have an alibi for the alchohol in his bloodstream.
See if the Sherrif insisted on a blood alcohol test, (which he could have and should have), then Cheney could just say that he was shook up, and had a cocktail.
That would give him an excuse for blowing the top off the breath-o-lizer.
Smart guy this Cheney.
The new “Tricky Dick”.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:20 amJust like I said, the Beta Blockers and the one beer are enough to knock an old man out.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:21 amI don’t know about anyone else here, but one beer will have me buzzing all evening — and I’m not on heart medication. I would never consider driving after even one beer, let alone hunting (which I would never do either).
February 16th, 2006 at 11:21 amOh well, back to ‘Cheney’s got a gun’. How about the possibility that their will be no Senate hearing on wiretapping, thanks to strong-arming by dead-eye Dick, or Plame-Iran-WMD. or Cheney claiming exec power to leak Plame? Look over here - it’s a dick-tatorship!
February 16th, 2006 at 11:22 amNot sure why comment #3 has not been deleted.
It could be argued that the vipers are turning on themselves, but Tucker is sucking up to the NRA with this type of comment. Hunting or shooting, and drinking is a common occurence.
Please note the next item on Tucker’s list is Chappaquiddick. When in scandal deflect attention.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:22 amCarlson is an idiot. Again, like I said about George Will, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:22 am#13 - Not sure why comment #3 has not been deleted.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:23 amMaybe Judd moonlights?
I don’t know about anyone else here, but one beer will have me buzzing all evening — and I’m not on heart medication.
Comment by Zookeeper — February 16, 2006 @ 11:21 am
ONE BEER, is what EVERY drunk driver tells the cops he’s had.
Why no Occiffer……I only had one teeensie weeensie beer.
Why?
February 16th, 2006 at 11:24 amTucker said that “nobody drinks while hunting” two days ago on Scarborough’s show and Scarborough and Lawrence O’Donnell laughed at him. Tucker can’t be that ignorant, can he? Don’t answer that.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:24 amCan somebody pull Tucker off of MSNBC and put him back in Nursery School? He is soooo clueless!
February 16th, 2006 at 11:26 amThese comments from Carlson & Noonan make me wonder if we will have VP Rice in time for the midterms? It is the “smart move” from the GOP perspective, and enough to ensure control of both houses.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:27 amWhat Tucker meant by that is no one other than TRAILER PARK THROWBACKS drink when shooting these days.
We’ve known guns and alchohol are a bad combination for a pretty long time, and only lowbrows mix the two.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:27 am#16 - I know, worfeus! When I worked in the prosecutor’s office, the wife/kid beater’s and drunk’s excuses was “I only had 2 beers.” It was a standing joke.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:28 amTrue. In Texas, beer guns and trucks are a way of life.
Beta Blockers
February 16th, 2006 at 11:29 amI only had two beers. They were kegs, but I only had two.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:30 amWe also KNOW that 28 gauge bird shot fired from his little Perazzi birdpopper, is NOT going to be able to penetrate the breastplate of a fully grown man at 30 yards out.
That is IMPOSSIBLE.
Period.
Cheney is LYING.
Either that, or the booze confused his sense of distance, which booze has been known to do.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:30 amI don’t give a rat’s ass about the VP shooting his buddy. I care about whether the VP and his assigns eliminated a working operation of the CIA handling Nuclear weapons proliferation because : 1) they neede to cover a plan involving israeli special forces to seed Vx Nerve gas in Iraq so there would in fact be WMDs found upon arrival of our forces. 2) They generated false documents in Rome to suggest a real connection to Saddam and his nuclear program 3) They needed to stifle the Cia’s COVERT agent’s husband for calling them on #2. He was off the clock when he blasted that poor bastard in the face, that was his time. There is nothing wrong with extreme pleasure as long as your careful what thrills you. He was not careful, end of story. You guys need to put down the pipe.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:30 am#21
Exactly. I can’t believe more people are seeing this Zookeeper.
I had one or two beers has been the bastion of druknen bumpkins since the turn of the century.
Hell I bet even Wyatt Earp used to hear that one every night!
February 16th, 2006 at 11:32 amThe important thing is that when the assklowns on the right bring up Ted the swimmer and Chappaquiddick we have Dead-Eye Dick the shootist with no gun control and the Texas Hold-em Quail Hunt.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:33 amFlyman you’re right. But this thread is about the bungling misadventures of our loveable, wacky and zany Vice President, and his “hole in the butt gang”.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:33 amFollow Tricky Dick Cheney, or “Slappy” as hes known to his friends, as he drinks, blasts and bombs his way into the history books.
Its a madcap hilarious romp thats fun for the whole family!
February 16th, 2006 at 11:35 am“I’m not as think as you drunk I am Occiffer….”
February 16th, 2006 at 11:37 amWell, Cheney screwed up and shouldn’t be blindly defended.
But Tucker Carlson has no clue what he’s talking about. Drinking is often a large part of hunting culture; his claim that he’s never drank after “dozens” of hunting trips is true, he’d probably hunting in even a more sterile and controlled environment than Cheney.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:38 amDan
Booze and guns = Trailer Park Logic
You drink and do dangerous things when they impact you, not others.
I used to drink and climb 600 foot vertical Quartzite and Granite walls, but I didn’t risk my friends lives doing it.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:41 amAs I recall, Cheney had multiple DUIs some years ago. This is generally regarded as alcoholic behavior. I don’t have links, but seems to me I recall him saying he swore off booze and “corrected” this behavior.
For someone w/Cheney’s alcohol abuse history… especially someone calling the shots on issues w/the import of war/terrorism , it’s inconcievable to me this guy would be taking any alcohol at all, much less 1(?) beer before the “hunt” and a cocktail afterwards.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:41 amAny man who drinks booze when hunting with friends, is telling his friends that his mood is more important than their safety.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:42 amAs I recall, Cheney had multiple DUIs some years ago.
Comment by JDM — February 16, 2006 @ 11:41 am
Yes he did, 2 of them. But he was in his 20’s.
I can forgive him for that, since I was so intoxicted in my 20’s I can’t even rememeber half of them.
But now hes old enough to know better.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:44 amFrom what I understand, both Bush and Cheney get away more than any other administration so they can booze it up.
Bush boozes on his ranch down in Crawdad.
Course if my ranch were a dustbowl of weeds and dirt, I’d booze too.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:45 amHaving grown up in a rural area, I am familar with hunting accidents, and drinking. Officially from the NRA, I would think that hunting and drinking is not encouraged, However it is pretty common.
How many beers or cocktails Cheney had will never be known. Even if one of his hunting buddies came forward and said that Dick drank a six pack, it will be true to those who don’t like Dick, and a lie to those who do like Dick.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:46 ami can’t escape the feeling that these are Croc Tears that Carlson is crying here. Like he’s mocking the Press for paying so much attention to this story. Ultimately, and in light of all the other evil Chaney perpetrates on a daily basis (how about arm-twisting conservatives over the NSA matter, as one small, but current, example?) Elmer FuddGate is small potatoes…maybe it resonants, i dunno…
i just think Carlson and his ilk are happy enough to throw up a Faux critique of Darth Cheney so he can come back later and spit out the “Fair and Balanced” BS…
February 16th, 2006 at 11:50 amWhat was the year that Laura Bush plowed into her Ex-boyfriend and killed him?
-GSD
February 16th, 2006 at 11:53 amThe Texas Shotgun Massacre? ANyone?
-GSD
February 16th, 2006 at 11:54 amWhere are all the trolls calling Tucker a “terrorist sympathizer” for not bowing to the administration?
Why isn’t he being called a “traitor” for not selling his soul to the ultra-radical-right? Who does calling the administration on the carpet for lame excuses result in excoriation when you’re NOT a Republican, but nothing at all when you ARE a Republican?
I’m shocked! Shocked, I tells ya!
February 16th, 2006 at 11:56 amI’d rather shoot with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:59 amWhere bees de reportin on de new Abu Ghraib torture photos?
February 16th, 2006 at 12:02 pm“I’d rather shoot with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.” - - I-Right
February 16th, 2006 at 12:04 pmZero chance of either, literally or euphemistically.
I-Right, I would rather ride with Ted Kennedy than go to war for George W. Bush. I would rather ride with Ted Kennedy than get plowed down by Laura Bush.
Dig up some more 35 year old stories you pathetic cultist.
-GSD
February 16th, 2006 at 12:09 pmDemocrat Soldier:
That is the one thing that totally pisses me off about some right wing regressives. They are total and complete hypocrites. They have no real explanations for the incompetence and criminality of this administration so they turn everything into a partisan issue. They never address what is going on, they simply attack the messenger. That is why it is difficult for them to say anything when a conservative dissents. “Those damn Dems are just Bush bashing” just doesn’t work. They are left with no argument. So they cower instead of admitting that the issues aren’t partisan and this administration is inept. Cowards…each and every one.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#5 - THAT’S GENIUS MATERIAL
February 16th, 2006 at 12:10 pmSee, when that accident happens, and you’re drunk, you don’t want to talk to the cops until the next day. That way they can’t test you for booze.
It worked for me back then.
Worked for Cheney on Saturday.
Comment by worfeus #2
Worfeus,
You’ve solved the riddle…
February 16th, 2006 at 12:10 pmWhat was the Secret Service doing during all this? Did they tell the owner of the ranch no alcohol allowed with all the guns around? Didn’t they see the lawyer off to the side of Cheney? Isn’t it their job to watch Cheney’s surroundings, especially if weapons are in use? Isn’t this a kind of negligence on the part of the Secret Service? They can keep protesters miles away from Cheney and Bush, and turn a sheriff away at the gate, but they can’t see a guy in the path of Cheney shooting? Did the Secret Service know Cheney was mixing alcohol and medications?
February 16th, 2006 at 12:11 pmSo not only did he shoot a 78 year old, he calmly mixed himself a Martini afterwards. Shaken, not stirred.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:12 pmWorfeus,
You’ve solved the riddle…
Comment by big papa — February 16, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
Damn skippy Big Papa. I did it when I was young, and I know you did too.
The only difference is, we were 20, and we were NOT THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FREAKIN STATES!!!
:D
February 16th, 2006 at 12:19 pmSince when does a RightWinger believe in science?
February 16th, 2006 at 12:19 pmworfeus,
The problam is there aren’t any threads where we can talk about the important issues going on right now with out being off topic.
TP just put up a thread on the airplanes being painted like fish. That news is really old. How about covering somthing new. You know NEWS.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:24 pmNot arguing. I’m commenting on Carlson’s statement about drinking & hunting that:
Sorry, it’s incredibly common. He’s coming off sounding llike the out of touch beltway insider he is.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:25 pmWe’d rather you went hunting with Dick also. Can you get on that.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:27 pmgood point about the heart medications… Cheney should be busted for HUI…
February 16th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI hope Cheney continues to drink as much as he wants, as it is obviously contraindicated for his heart and health.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:30 pmHey, I only had one beer at lunch time…
Yup, just the one bottle… Yeah Jack Daniels is my favourite brand of beer…
No, I’m not drunk. I only had that one beer.
Z.
p.s. for the humour impaired this is a joke… just like the Bush administration… only this one is funnier.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:31 pm46 - straightup, just read an interesting piece about this:
http://daoureport.salon.com/ synopsis.aspx?synopsisId=e71b1310-cf02-4686-a7b5-c132f351e4ad
“A Challenge to Rightwing Bloggers Who Blame the Media for the Cheney Mess: Prove it. One of the great absurdities of our time is the persistent notion that the traditional media skews left. Reporters buy into it, Democratic strategists and leaders buy into it, and rank and file rightwingers live by it…
Rather than waste cyber-ink explaining why it’s a big deal that the Vice President of the United States shot a man in the face and heart and went to bed without letting the American people know about it, let me share a question I asked of a blogger…:
…Give me concrete examples of bias, not of negative coverage…”
that’s the point we have to make - GIVE ME FACTS
read the whole thing…well worth it…
February 16th, 2006 at 12:31 pmOkay, how come everybody is missing the fact that people who “need a drink” after a traumatic experience, like shooting your friend in the face, are 9 times outta 10 alcoholics.
A sane person who doens’t drink all the time and hasn’t raised there tolerence from alcohol, so that one beer “is nothing”, catches a major buzz on one beer. SHit the other day, I was laughing at my girlfriend for getting drunk on one glass of wine. It was pretty funny, but we weren’t hunting.
The “oh my gosh something happened, I need a drink” is done in the movies and by people who drink a lot.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:31 pmTucker Carlson on dozens of hunts? I find that highly doubtful.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:35 pmThe guy is a pansy ass.
another thing…where i am, alot of hunting…kids even “excused” from school on first day of deer season (a shame)…also A LOT OF DRINKING, underage also (a major shame)…
February 16th, 2006 at 12:37 pmBUT, i’m quite sure that the drinking goes on AFTER the hunt, back at the barn, the camp fire, etc….these guys i know are serious about both…
Defending drinking one beer with science? Don’t they mean Divine Intervention?
February 16th, 2006 at 12:42 pmThey are serious about the barn and the camp fire?
j/k
February 16th, 2006 at 12:43 pmany hunter who says they dont drink while hunting is lying.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:43 pm1) Cheney admitted to having “a” beer at lunch. They went back on the hunt by 3:00. So what did they do for two hours assuming lunch was exactly at noon. what if it was at 1:00. It seems unlikely you would go eat lunch at a place that was two hours away from where you are hunting. Also Armstrong said the party got out of the car (limo?) and immediately after that is when this went down. So it must have been a little after 3:00 at the most or maybe 4:00.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:46 pm2) Every person found engaging in an activity under the influence of alcohol if they admit at all to drinking says “I had one beer” or “I only had a couple of beers.” But it always turns out that the truth is a much hugher number. Also everyone says beer whihc is considered inocuous for its commonness as opposed to I had a shot of whisky or tequila.
3) If Cheney is under heart medication he is a fool to be drinking because alcohol will inevitably diminish the medicinal effectiveness of the drug at a minimum, at worst if he is on pain killers for his knees his foor his heart, his head and you mix that with alcohol that beer’s potency is amplified.
4) I don’t know what kinda hunts Tucker has been on, but I know that like fishing any outdoor sports calls for beer and cigar smoking or other such vices. It is a getaway. Some guys hunt and fish because the wife doesn’t like them drinking at home on the weekends. Some guys just drink for any reason. But to say “you just don’t do it” is BS. Unless your a non-drinker. However if you go to certain pay hunts or hunts on Public parks yes it is not allowed, but this was a private ranch. Cheney may have had a beer at lunch but that’s because Whiskey doesn’t go with BBQ. (Armstrong said they ate some kind of weird sounding venison dish not BBQ)Guys like Cheney and Wittington drink Scotch.
5)This was much closer range that they are saying. Those pellets couldn’t penetrate so far to the heart being 30 yards away. Even if you shoot a bird at thirty yards away the pellets are usually logged in the flesh of the bird and you remove them before cooking. Rarely does a pellet go to the internal organs unless it is really close. And if you are really close, the shotgun blast will blow the bird apart and there won’t be anything left but feathers.
Drinking and shooting guns is considered high culture in parts of Texas. (Speaking as a Texan myself)
February 16th, 2006 at 12:49 pmU.S. Rejects U.N. Report on Gitmo
February 16th, 2006 at 12:52 pmYOU AMERICANS ARE THE ARSE HOLE OF THE WORLD
matter of fact, spudge, that too :-)
February 16th, 2006 at 12:53 pmit’s pretty red here in south central illinois…
I hope Cheney continues to drink as much as he wants, as it is obviously contraindicated for his heart and health.
Comment by For Truth #57
Yeah Truth,
…and throw in some meth for a really great ride!
February 16th, 2006 at 12:54 pmWho says?
txexspeedy,
Just kidding. But, I agreee with what you posted. I have been hunting all my life and this story just does not add up at all. At the very minimum, Dick Cheney has the worst safety habits of any hunter I have ever heard of. At the minimum. From there it just gets worse for him.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:58 pmThe press must follow up on Cheney admitting he had at least one beer > maybe he lost count and had 3 or 4 before the shooting? Maybe the so-called single was one of those huge bottles they sell at liquer stores, or perhaps a fancy high alcohol beer from Switzerland that the Ambassador brought with her?
When I traveled to Europe many years ago I brought back a few bottles of Lowenbrau from Germany that were 12% alcohol, not the 6% like most American beers! I bet the Armstrong ranch serves the best and most expensive beer to its guests like Cheney, and they have a well-stocked liquer cabinet too!
February 16th, 2006 at 1:00 pmAmericans seem to think that killing defenseless animals is a adequate substitute for a dick it seems. Left and Right on this issue.
Personally I feel that someone who needs to bolster their own self worth by killing things is a pretty worthless person. That said, mistaking a 78 year old at reasonably close range, who you are indeed hunting with, for a bird is a fair indication that you shouldn’t be handling a gun, whatever the morality of your victims.
Mixing a Martini afterwards makes it look like you enjoyed doing it, and are a James Bond wannabe besides. I mean fuck, does the US Veep have a “Right to Kill?”
February 16th, 2006 at 1:05 pmWOW!!! The Media should totally see how assanine they are. Cheney could remove the right of a free press and they wouldn’t notice. But if the VP has a hunting accident or GOD FORBID has sex they will stand up with self righteous indignation and not let it go. Where was Carlson with his anger when some SERIOUS issue was at stake?
Sensationalism …snake oil reporting.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:08 pmHas anyone considered an openlettertoTuckerCarlson blog?
February 16th, 2006 at 1:08 pmJust a thought.
Yes, the “one beer” excuse is the oldest one in the book. My dad was a Los Angeles Sherrif for 36 years. He even told my brother and I, “If you ever get pulled over for drinking, tell them the truth as to how much you’ve had, because if you tell them you have only had one or you tell them you’ve onlyhad a couple, you are going to jail.” COps are trained that ‘one’ or ‘a couple’ means the person has been drinking and usually alot.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
February 16th, 2006 at 1:11 pmhttp://www.avengingangels.org
February 16th, 2006 at 1:16 pmSorry for the Tech Problems.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pm#39 - “What was the year that Laura Bush plowed into her Ex-boyfriend and killed him?”-GSD
February 16th, 2006 at 1:26 pmComment by Granite State Destroyer — February 16, 2006
******No, that was the year Teddie was too drunk to navigate a narrow bridge and left a young blonde in the drink to drown.
Cheney shot his friend in the face 5-hours after having his beer but how much hunting had he done PRIOR to shooting his friend in the face?
jw
February 16th, 2006 at 1:29 pmHunters should wear warning signs saying: Hunting can kill you. And you don’t have to be an animal. But what is less funny, if Tricky Dick can’t even handle such a minor problem, what will he do if a bigger one comes up? Ask George W. for help?
February 16th, 2006 at 1:37 pmGSD and MA…
Chappaquiddick was July 19th 1969
Midland was November 5th 1963
Remember Remember
the fifth of November,
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot…
Frankly I’m surprised that American politics revolves around events that happened forty years ago… Two hundred seesm much more reasonable… :-)
Z.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:40 pmGranite State Destroyer,
Ask and you shall receive. Here is the report by the AP. I am going fo rthe official police report now.
Report: Laura Bush in 1963 Car Wreck
By JIM VERTUNO, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday May 3,2000 6:13 PM ET
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - At 17, Laura Bush ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing her boyfriend who was driving it, according to an accident report released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Mrs. Bush is the wife of Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush (news - web sites), the Texas governor.
“It was a very tragic accident that deeply affected the families and was very painful for all involved, including the community at large,” said her spokesman, Andrew Malcolm. “To this day, Mrs. Bush remains unable to talk about it.”
Mrs. Bush did say in March, when asked at a campaign stop about the crash, “I know this as an adult, and even more as a parent, it was crushing … for the family involved and for me as well.”
According to the two-page accident report released Wednesday by the city of Midland, Laura Welch was driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on Nov. 6, 1963, when she drove into an intersection and struck a Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas.
Although previous news accounts have reported Douglas was thrown from the car and broke his neck, those details were not in the report.
The speed of Laura Bush’s car was illegible on the report. The speed limit for the road was 55.
Neither driver was drinking, the police report said.
Laura Bush and her passenger, Judy Dykes, also 17, were taken to a hospital and treated for minor injuries, according to an accident account printed at the time in the Midland Reporter-Telegram.
The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank.
“As far as we know, no charges were filed,” said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. “I don’t think it’s unusual that charges weren’t filed.”
The police report was released after an open records request was submitted to Midland officials in March. City officials had declined to release the records because the victims were under 18.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:48 pmAmen Spudgie!
-GSD
February 16th, 2006 at 1:49 pmDig up some more 35 year old stories you pathetic cultist.
-GSD
Comment by Granite State Destroyer
That old fat drunk will always be remembered for killing Mary Jo and nothing else. It is now a part of the Kennedy legacy right along with Joe and Hitler, JFK and Marilyn, Bobby sicking J Edgar after ML King and John Kennedy Jr. flying off into a cold watery grave with a nose full of god knows what. It’s the story of Liberalism; the cult of corruption, promiscuity, cowardice and death.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:54 pmGood math skills Zwack!!! It still doesn’t change the fact that the Massachusetts Moral Giant didn’t call anyone for hours to help poor Mary Jo Kopechne. It doesn’tmatter to her family whether it was 35 years or 35 days - their daughter was left to die by a spoiled, self-centered coward.
Your corollaries don’t work - but desperate Dems love sites that advise “everytime a ditto person brings up Chappaquidick you little bean brains bring up Laura Welch Bush accident on Nov 5,1963″. I didn’t see where in the site you refer to that the future First Lady ran away from the the accident, or made an appearance at the funeral of her boyfriend - complete with neck brace.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:00 pm“That old fat drunk will always be remembered for killing Mary Jo and nothing else. I-RIGHT-I”
Oh sweetie, Cheney hit Wittington, his name isn’t Mary Jo. The fat drunk part does still seem to be accurate though - unfortunately. I guess the mind of the partisan isn’t too clear on facts or in living with reality, so I forgive you for getting the name and circumstances wrong. Poor thing, it must be awful for you being so consumed by partisan hate.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:00 pmI just had lunch with a buddy who said he had been invited to some of these private ranches for weekend hunts when he worked in Texas. He said that from the moment you got there you had booze in your hand. It’s like religion. Its part of the culture with these people. I wouldn’t expect it to be any different with the “hunting party” we are talkng about here.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:02 pm“It still doesn’t change the fact that the Massachusetts Moral Giant didn’t call anyone for hours to help poor Mary Jo Kopechne. mighty aphrodite AKA Jeffrey Shawn AKA RiteWinger”
People who’ve been in accidents (remember Ted was in the car as well) often go into shock. Good thing for Wittington that other people were around when he was injured huh? Poor little partisan hate boy, you have my pity and forgiveness honey for your blind hate, and irrational silly posts. You don’t have to hate so much sweetie, most people - even Cheney - mean well, and just make stupid mistakes. I’m sure you understand from personal experience pumpkin.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:04 pmAnd nothing I-RIGHT-I or mighty aphrodite says will change the fact that Prescott Bush was a NAZI sympathizer, Laura Bush t-boned and killed her boyfriend and Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face point blank.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#59 Katy:
Thanks for the link. Great reading. “Prove it!” will be my response to trolls from now on.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:12 pm““everytime a ditto person brings up Chappaquidick you little bean brains bring up Laura Welch Bush accident on Nov 5,1963″. I didn’t see where in the site you refer to that the future First Lady ran away from the the accident, or made an appearance at the funeral of her boyfriend - complete with neck brace. mighty aphrodite AKA Jeffrey Shawn AKA RiteWinger”
Oh sweetie, you demostrate how irrational the mind of the partisan is. Every time a ‘ditto’ brings up Kennedy, they are in fact doing the same thing that those who bring up Laura are. You resent it, because you know it’s wrong when you do it, and it shows your own hypocrisy. And now let me help you with that bit of partisan non-logic you just posted, how was Laura supposed to leave the scene when she needed a neck brace pumpkin? The point is she managed to randomly find her ex-boyfriend, run a red light and hit him with her car. To some people that might appear just as or even more suspicious than Kennedy’s affair - don’t you think? But frankly, I’m more concerned with why you’d still hate Kennedy for his bad judgement, but not Cheney for drinking and shooting a supposed friend, or Laura for what very could have been a teenage act of hunting down and killing her ex-boyfriend. They all look pretty bad to me - yet you seem to still think that your partisan friends are pure, despite evidence to the contrary. Poor thing, how hard you must work in that partisan brain to disregard such copious amounts of facts against your case.
Well mighty/Jeffrey, you were never logical or rational when you used to post all of the anti-Kerry nonsense during the last election - I can see your partisan brain still makes it impossible for you to reason through the most basic of concepts. I’m sure you’re doing the best that you can pumpkin. I forgive you for your hate pumpkin. We’re all human, and we’re all just trying to do the right thing - even those of us that don’t know how. Find your compassion sweetie, it’s better for you than all of that hate and partisan anger you carry around.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:16 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I’m curious as to why you feel the need to scour the past 50 years or so to cherry pick some “scandals” in order to substantiate your argument that, if I understand it correctly, is that “who cares about what’s going on now, the Kennedys are rumored to have done some bad stuff”.
I mean besides the blatant absurdity of your position, and the child-like logic that it attempts to employ, you are wasting your time searching for corruption as the current administration is so full of it that it far exceeds any administration in the history of this nation. Let’s take a stroll through the list:
- AWOL george bush
- Coke-head/alcoholic george bush
- Black widow murderer laura bush
- bush family connection to hitler, nazis, saudi royal family
- cheney, rumsfeld, and all the other chicken-hawk deferments
- Blatant and rampant corruption: bush, cheney, delay, frist, noe, blunt, abramoff, scanlon, rove, libby, etc…
- Lies and deceit regarding Iraq, WMDs, terrorist connections, and foriegn intelligence as a whole
- Torture and abuse
- Cronyism
- Unprecedented attacks on the freedoms and liberties of the citizens of the United States of America
- Gross incompetence: Katrina, military management, economy, environment, healthcare, etc…
And the list goes on and on. Any rational and intelligent being would be much more concerned and focused on the current corruption and scandals happening in government rather than focusing on arbitrary selections of scandals from the last 50 or so years.
So, the question on everyone’s mind is; “How can Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek be such a cowardly troll and why does he/she/it hate America?”
February 16th, 2006 at 2:16 pm“THE funeral for Douglas was held the following Saturday. It is believed neither Laura nor her parents attended,
although they sent flowers.”
So, no it doesn’t mention her turning up… in fact it says that she probably didn’t.
By the way you might want to check the attribution on that story…
While I posted the bartcop link, they got it from… freerepublic.com who got it from the New York Post.
Z.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:21 pmOptimist,
You forgot:
-warrantless wiretapping
February 16th, 2006 at 2:22 pm-outting a covert CIA agent
-no bid cotracts for crony companies
all you Americans are a piece of SHIT
February 16th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#96-Spudge,
And the list goes on and on and on.
How conscienteous americans can support this abomination that is called the “bush administration” is beyond me. None of these FACTs are obscure and certainly not disputable.
A coward always finds excuses for their cowardly behavior and george bush and his crew have definitely secured their positions as “chief” cowards. But how there are people who still excuse the behavior and support the fools is beyond me.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:27 pm“How conscienteous americans can support this abomination that is called the “bush administration†is beyond me. None of these FACTs are obscure and certainly not disputable. Optimist”
That’s an easy one. Their partisan brain prevents them from processing the facts. They have already concluded the answers they believe, and your facts are just obstacles for them to overcome on their way to a partisan brain drug high. Poor things are addicts of their own partisan fears and the chemicals released when they ‘combat’ them.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:33 pmI want to take offense at fly-man who referred to Judd Legum in #3 as a “crack whore” and in #25 made reference to anyone who makes an issue of Cheney being under the influence of alcohol and drugs as themselves smoking a “pipe”
First of all, I thought we bumped all people who make personal attacks which should apply to fly-man and especially personal attacks against the Editor of the Think Progress blog.
Secondly, it is ludicrous to attack people as being on drugs who simply point out that Cheney is on prescription medication and should not have been drinking for that reason not to mention that he was going hunting and not to mention that he has had prior problems with alcohol.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:44 pmSo, the question on everyone’s mind is; “How can Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek be such a cowardly troll and why does he/she/it hate America?â€
Comment by Optimist
The major flaw in your case is that none of is true. On the other hand Mary Jo is dead and you voted for her killer. So the question is really how much more leftist lies and treachery are the American people going to stand before my stock in ACME Hemp and RazorWire, LTD takes off like a skyrocket?
February 16th, 2006 at 2:49 pmProved correct about Republi-trolls again!
Rather than argue the subject, they change the subject and attempt to diver the attention away from their cult-leader.
Str8UpNoChaser, you pegged it completely right!
“They have no real explanations for the incompetence and criminality of this administration so they turn everything into a partisan issue. They never address what is going on, they simply attack the messenger.”
So, I guess we’ll hear that VPres. Cheney was drinking because Pres. Clinton had sex! Oh my God! It’s the end of the world as we know it!
How do I know that it’s the end of the world? VPres. Cheney actually took responsibility for his shooting a friend in the face! The only thing missing was crocodile tears about how sad he was that he shot him. Well, maybe it was another sign of the apocalypse that he didn’t make some false statement about being sad he shot him. He’d have to feel remorse for his mis-actions, and VPres. Cheney can’t feel remorse for shooting a friend in the face. He’s probably going to blame him for standing in front of the shotgun!
February 16th, 2006 at 2:53 pm“The major flaw in your case is that none of is true. On the other hand Mary Jo is dead and you voted for her killer. I-RIGHT-I”
So does that mean that everyone that has an automobile accident is a ‘killer’ pumpkin? You partisans say the silliest and most bizarre things. You think accident is murder, war and killing are liberation, and that oppression is freedom while you believe freedom is sedition. You’re so sad to watch pumpkin. You put yourself in knots to justify hatred, vengeance and murder - while accusing any accident those you disagree with have as being unforgiveable murder.
Poor silly pumpkin - I forgive you for sounding so incoherent. Clearly you’re doing the best you can with your limited resources pumpkin. You surely don’t mean to sound like a hypocrite and a partisan hack - I’m sure you’re a very nice person under all of that partisan hatred.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:05 pmworfeus,
The problam is there aren’t any threads where we can talk about the important issues going on right now with out being off topic.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 16, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I hear you Spudge. Come on over to Lydiacornell.com and bash with me. We go into areas no one wants to go in.
But as for TP posting this one? I talk about it too.
See the problem is not that Cheney shot a man, or was drinking and having a good ole time.
I’m down with all that.
But if that had been you or me the Sherrif I don’t think would have waited to interview someone.
Of course they lied to the Sherrif, the ranch owner told them there was no alcohol.
Does any one honestly think that if they had admitted that day there was beer present, that the Sherrif would have let them wait until the next morning to interview Cheney?
See its this culture of corruption. They hold everyone else to the law, rigidly. Bush fried people left and right when he was govenor.
But when they screw up, they immediately turn to lies, denial and then when its all out in the press, they just say F##$k you, you’re not the boss of me.
Its not the shooting, its the HUBRIS.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYou know what they say about DC.
It’s not the humidity, its the humanity.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:22 pmWORFEUS,
I understand that and I am posting in these threads too. I just need to be able to vent about the other topics, without being off topic. Posting stuff a derailing a thread is a troll tactic that I don’t want to do.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:24 pmYou’ll NEVER be a troll Spudge.
You’re a HERO in my book.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:29 pmTheres nothing more admirable then a man who is brave enough to fight when he has to, and wise enough to not fight when he doesn’t.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#107 And mine. And I’m sure Jane’s, too.
Thanks, Spudge_Boy for your service to this country, both overseas and here at ThinkProgress. We are all the better for your accomplishments.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:34 pmWe should make every republican watch “The Big Country” with Gregory Peck and Chuck Heston.
Peck was a hero to admire in that movie.
He never bought into the frothing rage of the masses, but acted on his morals, and principles.
Its a great old movie.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThanks guys, I am just trying to do my part to spread the truth.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:38 pmThe problam is there aren’t any threads where we can talk about the important issues going on right now with out being off topic.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 16, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I e-mailed TP about that, Spudge, and suggested an area for Open Threads about specific topics but not tied to any specific event. So a place to vent about Corrupt Government in general would be good (or other topics). Then, anyone going there could post any comment about Corrupt Government without having to tie it to any particular scandal. (I also suggested a separate 9-11 thread so we won’t have to bring it up off topic everywhere else.) They’re thinking about it, long and hard I’m sure, and I expect that any day now I’ll receive my official “rejection letter.”
[ ;) I know you’re watching, TP]
February 16th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#110 Worfeus,
And while we’re having them enjoy great Gregory Peck films, can we follow it up with “To Kill A Mockingbird”? Jane and I will go. Lots of good lessons for everyone in that film, too.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:45 pmThats a goody. But the lessons are scary in that one.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThis is cute. I got this message after I entered the anti-spam bot code to post my last cheerful message:
Sorry, bad luck on this one, cow-boy, try again. You have 4 attempts left.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmPeck was a hero to admire in that movie.
He never bought into the frothing rage of the masses, but acted on his morals, and principles.
Its a great old movie.
Comment by worfeus
The Left should be made to watch it so they get an idea of what morals and principles are. Hint: they are not Treason, Atheisim, Abortion and Sodomy.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:12 pmThat’s because you typed the code in wrong nimrod.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:16 pmThat’s because you typed the code in wrong nimrod.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
It still posted.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#103 - “So does that mean that everyone that has an automobile accident is a ‘killer’ pumpkin?” - Rum Punch
****** Some “people” ask such stupid questions but Mom always said, “show kindness for those that appear sooooo slow.” A fatel accident can involve a surviving: victim, killer, murderer or a perpertrator of man-slaughter. Crimes can include, but are not limited to, no crime, reckless driving, manslughter - both voluntary and involuntary - vehicular homicide, drunk driving, etc.
Being in an accident often reveals character, or lack of it. I’d love an example of Teddy rising to an occasion - and I don’t mean sexually or through drugs and drink…
February 16th, 2006 at 4:39 pmI-RIGHT-I
Maybe the server was throwing up from the bile you keep sending to it.
Just a thought.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:57 pmBeing in an accident often reveals character, or lack of it.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 16, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
or lack of it;
Fits Dick Cheney to a T
February 16th, 2006 at 4:58 pm#7l “I have been hunting all my life” Smudge Boy
Hunting for cheap meat or like the rich boys like bush,
chaney and Kerry for the thrill of the kill? Doesn’t matter
either way killing a defenseless animals with a gun really
makes you a “macho” man. You would think with all their money bush, chaney and Kerry would have more ways of enertaining themselves than killing innocent animals and really makes you wonder. And heard hunter say the ducks just sitting there when hunters shoot them really a sports man or like read to leave the ducks with one leg. Any time I hear a hunter get shot I say good enough for him. And the day a man would bring a gun and a dead animal through my back door that is the day there would be a two legged animal laying there on the floor.
I thought you had a cute personality but I don’t any more I
just hate you like I do all hunters, livestock farmers,
ranchers, kill truck drivers, breeders etc. VEGAN
And as far as the word troll goes I think with your great
use of the English language and dictionary could come up
with some thing different. The troll word has really been
over used. And I have been called a lot worse in my life
than a troll and those names never bothered me nor does
troll. I remember in the sixties when the troll dolls
were popular having the prettiest troll doll and every
time hear the word troll think of that doll. And like
the rest of my dolls went to my neice.
Zookeeper who said never hunted or never will is now
February 16th, 2006 at 5:03 pmmy favorite. But could you pick a better name since
zoos and circuses not kind to animals.
[…] Tucker Carlson “I’ve been on dozens of hunts, there’s no beer served as lunch. You can’t drink a beer if you shoot, period. Doesn’t matter if you’re shooting five hours after, you’re not allowed to do it.â€. […]
February 16th, 2006 at 5:08 pmsounds like someone we know too well:
“To be absolutely clear: you unquestionably have “the freedom to foster hatred,” if that is what you choose to do. But if that is indeed your choice, don’t dress it up as a noble and valiant fight for freedom of speech and for “Western values” — unless, of course, you think that accurately represents “Western values.”
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 02/ freedom-to-foster-hatred.html
February 16th, 2006 at 5:09 pmcia crooks and liars…
that’s via crooksandliars…but you knew that…
February 16th, 2006 at 5:12 pm#125 I’m glad it really wasn’t the CIA CrooksandLiars! :)
Then again, I’m sure they have interesting videos. :)
Yeah, I hate typos, too!
February 16th, 2006 at 5:26 pmI-RIGHT-I
Maybe the server was throwing up from the bile you keep sending to it.
Just a thought.
Comment by WORFEUS
Do you mean like reporting that little scum buckets at Washington State U don’t think that the university should be represented by a legendary Marine war hero? That kind of bile?
What do you think about that Worf? Do you think a guy like Pappy is good enough to have his name on a state university tax funded building? Or do you think we should go with somebody like Noam Chomsky or maybe John Kerry, two other famous war heroes?
February 16th, 2006 at 5:30 pmToo bad. We need a racist filter.
February 16th, 2006 at 6:02 pmDarraugh,
Hate me if you like. I hunt. I was in the military and things have died by my hands. I eat what I kill. Being a vegan, his your right, but it is not the law.
You thought I have a cute personality? WTF?
You don’t know me very well. Yeah I joke around and stuff, but cute ain’t me.
On the troll subject:
From Wikipedia:
I didn’t make up the term. It is widely used Internet speak. Sorry if you haven’t been around long enough to know that.
February 16th, 2006 at 6:09 pmDarraugh,
Here’s a troll for you:
Cheer up, everything will be fine.
BTW, one of my good buddies from work is a vegan and he doesn’t hate people, he just tries to spread the word.
February 16th, 2006 at 6:12 pmHe’s cute where can I buy him?
Has your friend at work every told you about Bocco and
Moringstar and they have recipes on the Internet for
them. Plus Joanne Lunden belive name has cookbook on
Amazon for them. They are good and with them no excuse
to eat meat. Known to make many people vegetarians.
You do have a cute personality but ruined it by being a hunter. And military is no excuse sure there are lots
of things you did in military that don’t do now.
I am not perfect far from it for made a lot fo mistake in
my life but you are right not a people lover for know
how low they can go. And for animals because love them
and also feel sorry for them because of have to depend
on people or hurt by people. I wish there were not
any animals in this world by how mean people are to
them. As my father use to say this is not a world for the
animals. And can add people to that one too. But do
hate hunters, livestock farmers, ranchers, breeders
etc who make their money off the backs of innocent
animals because too stupid to make it any other way.
Now if you just stop hunting be a perfect man. And have
February 16th, 2006 at 6:55 pma darling personaltiy.
BTW, one of my good buddies from work is a vegan and he doesn’t hate people, he just tries to spread the word.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I bet he’s homosexual. They just want to spread the word.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:10 pmDo my eyes deceive me, or am I reading this right?? Tucker Carlson is criticizing Cheney??!!?
Another animal of the porcine variety must have taken wing outside my window…
February 16th, 2006 at 7:41 pmAs far as me refering to Judd as a crack whore in my post #3 above and #25 suggesting people need to put down the pipe I could not have used a better metaphor. If everyone goes back to the post exactly one right before this and read the very FIRST POST he himself gives lip service to the comments made by posters. QUOTE ” All week, commenters have been demanding we focus on the “real” issues. Well, here you go. I expect everyone to dig in. ” Then what shows up for the next thread..Hmmmm? All i could think of was this attention being paid to such a trivial part of the much bigger picture about the VP. Shooting some friend in the face has very little influence on my life or my wallet. The same cannot be said for his other endevors. I do not have the mental endurance to constantly be badgered by this sensless addiction to this miniscule event and the attention paid to it. TP’s credibility will sufer from this in the long run. Sorry you all didn’t read the other thread first like I did. Good luck.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:53 pmNope, he is married to a pretty smokin’ vegan chick.
Your homophobis is showing again.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:56 pmI’d rather shoot with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 11:59 am
If you’d suffer the same end result, then we’d encourage it.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:58 pmDarraugh,
I haven’t hunted in a couple of years, but I am not sorry for the hunting I have done, nor would I turn down the offer to go again (unless Dick CHeney invited me). I don’t hunt caged animals and I eat what I hunt. I am not, nor will I ever be a vegitarian, let alone a vegan. I am as carnivorous as they come. I am the guy that goes to the resturant and when the waiter says “What sides do you want with you steak?” I say “It doesn’t matter, I am not eating the rabbit food anyway.”
Sorry, I am me and I will always be me.
February 16th, 2006 at 8:00 pmTucker, please read how they do it in Texas, if they are rich:
February 16th, 2006 at 8:24 pmhttp://web.caller.com/ 1999/ july/ 15/ today/ local_ne/ 3203.html
Carlson is a lame show host, attempts at humor are blown, and as a representative for the conservative Republican party, he is an annoying, whining child.
February 16th, 2006 at 9:00 pmI would like MSNBC to bring back Phil Donahue - I am not a big fan of his, but he is certainly an ABC — Anyone But Carlson.
Now if you just stop hunting be a perfect man. And have
a darling personaltiy.
Comment by Darraugh — February 16, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
I am also a vegan. But I know that it’s not for everyone. It’s because our ancestors started eating animal protein that they evolved into human beings. And human beings are predatory animals. It’s why I have to take iron, calcium and animo acid supplements that I’m not getting from animal flesh.
What I personally object to is the inhumane, industrial processing of food animals. We know better, and yet we torture and abuse these ‘farmed’ (no longer free-range farm, but isolated caged) animals. What we need to fix is the system. People are people and most of them, as all predators, kill other animals for food. It’s not my way, but neither is it my way to force my choices on others. It goes against why I am a vegan in the first place.
I think the best we can do as vegans is to make sure that food animals are treated properly. And that’s the message I try to put out there. To get people who buy meat to understand that eating diseased, stressed animals is not healthy for people. That they should want to consume healthy food, and as the system is presently run, they might as well be scraping their dinner off the highway.
February 16th, 2006 at 9:08 pmCheney admits to drinking at least one beer before he shot Harry on Saturday, but he does not even say what brand?
A Bud light, or Killians Red, or Heiniken Dark, or ?
Was it a standard size bottle, or can, or one of those super size 3 bottles of beer in one bottle or can?
Dick is a big liar about this whole entire incident!
February 16th, 2006 at 9:26 pmI’d rather shoot with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 16, 2006 @ 11:59 am
I guess that could be a gay thing, or drugs perhaps, but you mean this;
Id rather be shooting by dick cheney than ride with Kennedy?
wrong.
id rather be shot by dick cheney than ride with ted.
Okay so you cant swim IRI? Or are you a Woman, that would ride with Ted? You like being shot? You like shooting other people?
WTF are you saying IRI?
February 16th, 2006 at 10:22 pm#141 - Jay,
February 17th, 2006 at 12:43 amIt was one of those 5 liter mini-kegs. Cheney ties it aroung his neck and uses it as a counterweight to keep him from falling on his fat ass when he gets glass eyed drunk.
[…] Right wingers, like Tucker Carlson, are distancing themselves from the government officials. He says You Can’t Drink A Beer If You Shoot. Period.. […]
February 17th, 2006 at 2:20 amHate to point this out as much as I despise Cheney, but ultimately the guy he shot has to press charges in this situation or else Cheney is off scott free.
Yes it is obvious what he did but if the victim is involved in the cover up (as he was interviewed in his hospital room and denied any alcohol involvement) then there is really nothing that can be done.
Remember that the victim is a hard core Republican, Dick’s friend, and a Bush contributor.
It almost becomes “victimless” when the victim survives and wants the whole thing to drop.
Now, if the victim died (he almost did) then Cheney would be criminally liable, potentially, since dead men don’t talk and can’t help with the cover-up, or refuse to press charges. At that point it would be up to a jury to determine if it is probable (or extremely probable for the criminal aspect of the charges) to adminster appropriate charges against Cheney.
In this case it would be manslaughter or involuntary homicide, probably sending Cheney behind bars for at least a decade.
February 17th, 2006 at 2:35 amPost 143 Walt > Yes Cheney probably thinks a mini-keg of beer is ONE drink > lol.
This entire incident is the most rediculous cover-up I have ever seen in my lifetime, but some in the press are fooled by it > incredible! Makes me want to get plastered drunk to pass out from hearing so much Cheney bullcrap!
February 17th, 2006 at 4:35 amMaybe Mr. Whittington was the one who drew the “short straw”, for who would be the one to “take one for the team”. But Dick, SOOOOOOO excited to be shooting another person, just “prematurely ejaculated”, as it were, and overshot the mark. Just a thought…
February 17th, 2006 at 5:32 amI am also a vegan. But I know that it’s not for everyone. It’s because our ancestors started eating animal protein that they evolved into human beings.
Comment by unbelievable
Where do you get this shit?
February 17th, 2006 at 8:42 amWhere do you get this shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 17, 2006 @ 8:42 am
9th grade Biology…
If you can accept the Scientific understanding of our earth being round and us living in a heliocentric universe, while ignoring that Revelations references the flat earth of four corners, then why do you refuse to acknowledge evolution? How do you know what to pick and choose? Isn’t accepting the truth just easier than memorizing which ever current version of reality the church wants you to accept?
February 17th, 2006 at 8:59 am9th grade Biology…
If you can accept the Scientific understanding of our earth being round and us living in a heliocentric universe, while ignoring that Revelations references the flat earth of four corners, then why do you refuse to acknowledge evolution? How do you know what to pick and choose? Isn’t accepting the truth just easier than memorizing which ever current version of reality the church wants you to accept?
Comment by unbelievable
Forget the four corners nonsense and heliocentric (which by the way for my inten