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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s Health Care Scheme Would Create 600K More Uninsured Americans</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Jones</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-1158110</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think the mid-term turnouts will be larger than in the past.

People turn out to vote when their angry or upset. And within my personal world (family, friends, co-workers), there are a lot more people that previously were not politically aware that are really upset with Bush and the Republican Congress.

Items like this only reinforce the point.

Letâ€™s guess how the right will spin this? Perhaps because they will say with the decrease in wages will provide Americans the opportunity to work more than one job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think the mid-term turnouts will be larger than in the past.</p>
<p>People turn out to vote when their angry or upset. And within my personal world (family, friends, co-workers), there are a lot more people that previously were not politically aware that are really upset with Bush and the Republican Congress.</p>
<p>Items like this only reinforce the point.</p>
<p>Letâ€™s guess how the right will spin this? Perhaps because they will say with the decrease in wages will provide Americans the opportunity to work more than one job.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1158110', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kione</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-562866</link>
		<dc:creator>Kione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAKE UP AMERICANS-UNITE! Take to the streets in the millions and demand National Health Care. Shut the country down. Close stores, factories, and all manner of retail and wholesale businesses. Withhold all tax return submissions en masse. We all saw what response the immigrant protests have generated, they WILL get what they have demanded. Just watch and see. We could take a lesson from that tenacity, unity and political strength in sheer numbers to understand that that&#039;s what it will take before the for profit health profiteers are put out of business. Health Care policies should not be tied to employment. Human dignity and the right to live should not be determined by the ability to pay. How many more deaths, health related bankruptcies, loss of homes, businesses, before we have finally had enough to ACT? Who will be the next Martin Luther King of the fight for health care in this country? How many will march? National Health Care NOW!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAKE UP AMERICANS-UNITE! Take to the streets in the millions and demand National Health Care. Shut the country down. Close stores, factories, and all manner of retail and wholesale businesses. Withhold all tax return submissions en masse. We all saw what response the immigrant protests have generated, they WILL get what they have demanded. Just watch and see. We could take a lesson from that tenacity, unity and political strength in sheer numbers to understand that that&#8217;s what it will take before the for profit health profiteers are put out of business. Health Care policies should not be tied to employment. Human dignity and the right to live should not be determined by the ability to pay. How many more deaths, health related bankruptcies, loss of homes, businesses, before we have finally had enough to ACT? Who will be the next Martin Luther King of the fight for health care in this country? How many will march? National Health Care NOW!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=562866', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-453039</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting the link to the study. It was an interesting read. The HSA sounds like a good step, but I would like to see health care insurance turned to a completely income credit for individuals, instead of just a deduction and 15.3% credit. The model used in the study wasn&#039;t remotely scientific or accurate and could never be. In fact, this was dutifully acknowledged by the author when he said his model cannot take into account changes in behavior as a result of HSA. In my opinion, it is naive to think that people who wanted insurance would suddenly not get it because it would be less expensive (a result of lower taxes) to buy it outside of ones employer. Yet that is what the model assumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting the link to the study. It was an interesting read. The HSA sounds like a good step, but I would like to see health care insurance turned to a completely income credit for individuals, instead of just a deduction and 15.3% credit. The model used in the study wasn&#8217;t remotely scientific or accurate and could never be. In fact, this was dutifully acknowledged by the author when he said his model cannot take into account changes in behavior as a result of HSA. In my opinion, it is naive to think that people who wanted insurance would suddenly not get it because it would be less expensive (a result of lower taxes) to buy it outside of ones employer. Yet that is what the model assumes.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=453039', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: big papa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-451358</link>
		<dc:creator>big papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health Care is, in my opinion, one of the things that should be driven more by Socialism and a concern for the well-being of our citizens than by Capitalism and a concern for making as much money as possible.

Comment by Wayne A. Schneider #54

&lt;strong&gt;Wayne,

you&#039;re absolutely right...

...just like our &quot;defense&quot; should NEVER be privatized...

But Cheney and the neocons are doing everything they can transform the U.S. Armed Forces into a private security corporation whose mandate it is to keep corporate assets/interests of the wealthy safe both at home and abroad...

Now here&#039;s the kicker:

Using TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!!!

...how &#039;bout that L&#039;il Dick, is this mofo a piece of work or what?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health Care is, in my opinion, one of the things that should be driven more by Socialism and a concern for the well-being of our citizens than by Capitalism and a concern for making as much money as possible.</p>
<p>Comment by Wayne A. Schneider #54</p>
<p><strong>Wayne,</p>
<p>you&#8217;re absolutely right&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;just like our &#8220;defense&#8221; should NEVER be privatized&#8230;</p>
<p>But Cheney and the neocons are doing everything they can transform the U.S. Armed Forces into a private security corporation whose mandate it is to keep corporate assets/interests of the wealthy safe both at home and abroad&#8230;</p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s the kicker:</p>
<p>Using TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!!!</p>
<p>&#8230;how &#8217;bout that L&#8217;il Dick, is this mofo a piece of work or what?</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=451358', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bear Witness</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-450424</link>
		<dc:creator>Bear Witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the american people sue congress for not doing their job?  Or can we sue for them not acting as a seperate but equal branch of government?  Is there rules in place stating that the Executive office can NOT lobby or influence congress?

As long as the Excutive branch is allowed to twist arms and and turn our democracy into a bribery fest I&#039;m afraid that the laws wont matter anymore.

Does anyone know if these actions are against the law or ethics or anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the american people sue congress for not doing their job?  Or can we sue for them not acting as a seperate but equal branch of government?  Is there rules in place stating that the Executive office can NOT lobby or influence congress?</p>
<p>As long as the Excutive branch is allowed to twist arms and and turn our democracy into a bribery fest I&#8217;m afraid that the laws wont matter anymore.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if these actions are against the law or ethics or anything?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=450424', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449848</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Marie.  I may have to post it again some day, so I wrote it in another document and saved it.  It took me a while to get through (what with work interfering with my day and all) or I might have posted it sooner before everyone moved on to other things.  Which is fine.  That&#039;s their right.

But I do appreciate your support.  And you brought up a good point in #55.  I forgot to go into the bankruptcy law changes (which will sink Joe Biden&#039;s chances of getting the nomination).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marie.  I may have to post it again some day, so I wrote it in another document and saved it.  It took me a while to get through (what with work interfering with my day and all) or I might have posted it sooner before everyone moved on to other things.  Which is fine.  That&#8217;s their right.</p>
<p>But I do appreciate your support.  And you brought up a good point in #55.  I forgot to go into the bankruptcy law changes (which will sink Joe Biden&#8217;s chances of getting the nomination).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449848', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Clif</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449828</link>
		<dc:creator>Clif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care should be a RIGHT not a Priviledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care should be a RIGHT not a Priviledge.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449828', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449825</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54 Wayne,
Excellent comment, with which I entirely agree, and you said it so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 Wayne,<br />
Excellent comment, with which I entirely agree, and you said it so well.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449825', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449782</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25, TtT
Not only are medical costs the largest factor in personal bankruptcies, but King George and his minions have recently changed the bankruptcy laws to doom for perpetuity someone who is already in deep trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25, TtT<br />
Not only are medical costs the largest factor in personal bankruptcies, but King George and his minions have recently changed the bankruptcy laws to doom for perpetuity someone who is already in deep trouble.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449782', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449671</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this wonâ€™t make me popular, but I still think it needs to be said.

Ask yourself something:  If I needed some really important health care to save my life, do I want to be treated by people who went into medicine because they wanted to save lives and ease suffering, or do I want to be treated by people who went into the business to make money?  The single biggest reason health care costs in this country are so high is because it is a system driven almost entirely by Capitalism.  I do not oppose Capitalism in general, but I do not feel that it is an appropriate system for everything.   How would you feel about the idea that there is medicine that could keep you alive, but because the maker of the drug is allowed to charge â€œwhatever the market will bearâ€, you face the real possibility of dying just because you canâ€™t pay for it?  Does it make you feel good to know that the maker of the drug made an awful lot of money and still sleeps well at night?  If so, then I donâ€™t want to know you.

Health Care is, in my opinion, one of the things that should be driven more by Socialism and a concern for the well-being of our citizens than by Capitalism and a concern for making as much money as possible.  There is a disconnect in this area that people just donâ€™t seem to want to address.  There is the very real fact that drug manufacturers charge way too much for their drugs, even the life-saving drugs.  They like to blame research and development, but this is a lie.  Much of the research that forms the basis for research into new drugs comes from taxpayer funded studies conducted through, possibly among other things, the National Institutes of Health.  Drug companies build on research that you and I paid for.  The real expenses are the advertising, freebies for doctors, and packaging.  Yet we refuse to address these areas as being part of the reason for skyrocketing health care costs.

They spend billions every year telling &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; to tell your doctor that you need their drug.  [As Bill Maher pointed out, at this point hasnâ€™t your doctor just become a dealer?]  This is not supposed to be the way the system works.  Your doctor tells &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; what &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; need, not the other way around.  And his (or her) decision should be based not on what the drug companies gave to them for free, but on what will cure your disease or ease your suffering the best.

As long as health care in this country is driven entirely by capitalism, people will die who do not have to die, and greedy people will get stinking, filthy, obscenely rich who do not deserve to because they never cared whether you lived or died.  

Thatâ€™s just me.  Iâ€™ll go away now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this wonâ€™t make me popular, but I still think it needs to be said.</p>
<p>Ask yourself something:  If I needed some really important health care to save my life, do I want to be treated by people who went into medicine because they wanted to save lives and ease suffering, or do I want to be treated by people who went into the business to make money?  The single biggest reason health care costs in this country are so high is because it is a system driven almost entirely by Capitalism.  I do not oppose Capitalism in general, but I do not feel that it is an appropriate system for everything.   How would you feel about the idea that there is medicine that could keep you alive, but because the maker of the drug is allowed to charge â€œwhatever the market will bearâ€, you face the real possibility of dying just because you canâ€™t pay for it?  Does it make you feel good to know that the maker of the drug made an awful lot of money and still sleeps well at night?  If so, then I donâ€™t want to know you.</p>
<p>Health Care is, in my opinion, one of the things that should be driven more by Socialism and a concern for the well-being of our citizens than by Capitalism and a concern for making as much money as possible.  There is a disconnect in this area that people just donâ€™t seem to want to address.  There is the very real fact that drug manufacturers charge way too much for their drugs, even the life-saving drugs.  They like to blame research and development, but this is a lie.  Much of the research that forms the basis for research into new drugs comes from taxpayer funded studies conducted through, possibly among other things, the National Institutes of Health.  Drug companies build on research that you and I paid for.  The real expenses are the advertising, freebies for doctors, and packaging.  Yet we refuse to address these areas as being part of the reason for skyrocketing health care costs.</p>
<p>They spend billions every year telling <i>you</i> to tell your doctor that you need their drug.  [As Bill Maher pointed out, at this point hasnâ€™t your doctor just become a dealer?]  This is not supposed to be the way the system works.  Your doctor tells <i>you</i> what <i>you</i> need, not the other way around.  And his (or her) decision should be based not on what the drug companies gave to them for free, but on what will cure your disease or ease your suffering the best.</p>
<p>As long as health care in this country is driven entirely by capitalism, people will die who do not have to die, and greedy people will get stinking, filthy, obscenely rich who do not deserve to because they never cared whether you lived or died.  </p>
<p>Thatâ€™s just me.  Iâ€™ll go away now.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449671', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: BS</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449669</link>
		<dc:creator>BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aa, your right.  healthcare in america is for the haves.  but i have one question. where do you think bushy is going to get the money to afford healthcare for all americans.  it&#039;s gone:  1. iraq war 2.iraq war. 3.bushcos pockets.  it&#039;s pretty sad when there is a piece of paper sitting on rummys desk to raise champus/tricare premiums by 3 times. bushy also wants to cut vet benefits.  this is gonna affect these very soldiers in iraq, afghan if and the rest of the GI&#039;S if this takes place. these soldiers are his guinea pigs to make him and his cronies richer. and this admin cares so much for the soldiers.  here is a story of 2 soldiers bushy cares for and there a thousand like it.  he was a married soldier sent to iraq/afghan war and was killed. his wife gets his last check and it&#039;s short by 4 days---the government withheld pay from his check due to being killed 4 days before the pay period ended, while there is a grieving wife at home.  2. another young man recieved a sign on bonus(for baiting young kids in because of recruiting drought--imagine that)when he signed up.  he was injured in combat and the government was making him pay his bonus back due to not fulfilling his contract.  i could go on and on. stories like this are now starting to pop out on nighttime tv (20/20, dateline, primetime, etc...)  and this government is so concerned and doing all they can for the soldiers.  if he can do this to the very men/women he sent over to fight his &quot;oil&quot; war (he is to much of a coward to fight his own battles). what makes you think he is going to do anything for us? GO BUMP YOUR HEADS---WAKE UP. under this reichwing admin. healthcare, ss, economy, enviorment is awash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aa, your right.  healthcare in america is for the haves.  but i have one question. where do you think bushy is going to get the money to afford healthcare for all americans.  it&#8217;s gone:  1. iraq war 2.iraq war. 3.bushcos pockets.  it&#8217;s pretty sad when there is a piece of paper sitting on rummys desk to raise champus/tricare premiums by 3 times. bushy also wants to cut vet benefits.  this is gonna affect these very soldiers in iraq, afghan if and the rest of the GI&#8217;S if this takes place. these soldiers are his guinea pigs to make him and his cronies richer. and this admin cares so much for the soldiers.  here is a story of 2 soldiers bushy cares for and there a thousand like it.  he was a married soldier sent to iraq/afghan war and was killed. his wife gets his last check and it&#8217;s short by 4 days&#8212;the government withheld pay from his check due to being killed 4 days before the pay period ended, while there is a grieving wife at home.  2. another young man recieved a sign on bonus(for baiting young kids in because of recruiting drought&#8211;imagine that)when he signed up.  he was injured in combat and the government was making him pay his bonus back due to not fulfilling his contract.  i could go on and on. stories like this are now starting to pop out on nighttime tv (20/20, dateline, primetime, etc&#8230;)  and this government is so concerned and doing all they can for the soldiers.  if he can do this to the very men/women he sent over to fight his &#8220;oil&#8221; war (he is to much of a coward to fight his own battles). what makes you think he is going to do anything for us? GO BUMP YOUR HEADS&#8212;WAKE UP. under this reichwing admin. healthcare, ss, economy, enviorment is awash.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449669', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Spudge_Boy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-2/#comment-449659</link>
		<dc:creator>Spudge_Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps you should ask why it cost $1600 to have an arm set and put in a cast instead of just bitching that there isnâ€™t somebody else to pay for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We already know the answer to that I-RIGHT-I. It is because rich right wing doctors over-charge for stupid shit like setting a broken arm. Because the government subsidized pharmaceutical companies over charge Americans for drugs that can be had much cheaper in other countries, while the republican run government blocks people from importing the cheaper drugs to the US. It will continue that way until dumbasses like you wake the hell up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps you should ask why it cost $1600 to have an arm set and put in a cast instead of just bitching that there isnâ€™t somebody else to pay for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>We already know the answer to that I-RIGHT-I. It is because rich right wing doctors over-charge for stupid shit like setting a broken arm. Because the government subsidized pharmaceutical companies over charge Americans for drugs that can be had much cheaper in other countries, while the republican run government blocks people from importing the cheaper drugs to the US. It will continue that way until dumbasses like you wake the hell up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449659', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND ANOTHER THNIG:  If tote bags seems like trivial expenses to you, consider this:  Common billing practice for healthcare providers in the US is to charge some unreasonable sum for each service and then, if the patient has coverage, the provider will write down the charge to the amount for which the provider has contracted with the insurance carrier.  Even with a high deductible the patient will get some benefit from this reduction, but only if the patient is under the umbrella of  one of these big deals.  A patient without coverage gets no discount.  

Providers understand all of this when they set their charges, and they also know how much of the charge they will likely collect from an uninsured patient.  In other words, the present system encourages providers to make up their PPO write-downs by charging more to the uninsured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND ANOTHER THNIG:  If tote bags seems like trivial expenses to you, consider this:  Common billing practice for healthcare providers in the US is to charge some unreasonable sum for each service and then, if the patient has coverage, the provider will write down the charge to the amount for which the provider has contracted with the insurance carrier.  Even with a high deductible the patient will get some benefit from this reduction, but only if the patient is under the umbrella of  one of these big deals.  A patient without coverage gets no discount.  </p>
<p>Providers understand all of this when they set their charges, and they also know how much of the charge they will likely collect from an uninsured patient.  In other words, the present system encourages providers to make up their PPO write-downs by charging more to the uninsured.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449640', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Romelee</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449631</link>
		<dc:creator>Romelee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is people supposed to pay for a insurance account when theycan`t even buy food and their other needs. It is a crying shame America is getting busted . They seem to wont to do away with the poor middle class and the seniors. We needto scrape what Bush came up with and get National health care.Frist to go the persciption drug plan it`s a joke. The drugs was raised and no cap on them People jumped to quick on it. I am staying off of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is people supposed to pay for a insurance account when theycan`t even buy food and their other needs. It is a crying shame America is getting busted . They seem to wont to do away with the poor middle class and the seniors. We needto scrape what Bush came up with and get National health care.Frist to go the persciption drug plan it`s a joke. The drugs was raised and no cap on them People jumped to quick on it. I am staying off of it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449631', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Texan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449626</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mad Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like IRI wants to tell us why it cost $1600.  What is it?  Out of control lawsuits?  This has always been a strawman- the empirical evidence since the rightwingers &quot;reformed&quot; tort laws don&#039;t support that claim, plus it just doesn&#039;t make sense to expect better results from healthcare by removing accouintability from the system.  

Or do we simply consume healthcare irresponsibly in the US?  Do we simply need to ration consumption?  That the effect of our present policies (higher copays, higher deductibles, prescription forumaries, preferred providers, etc., etc., etc.).  HSAs seem poised only to make it worse.  &quot;Market&quot; solutions to healthcare must not work very well if we have to resort to de facto rationing in order to keep the wingtip crowd feeling their best.  

Personally, I think it probably costs $1600 because the insurance companies, the pharma companies, and the countless legions of middleman companies have wasted untold sums over the past decade on promotional crap like gimme hats, tote bags, t-shirts, and on other b2b marketing.  Fact is, much of these costs are aimed only at gaming the current byzantine system, NOT reducing costs or improving service.  

Market driven healthcare in this country has failed because consumers have had their choices limited and at the same time have been forced to bear the ever-escalating costs. 

So why, IRI, why does it cost $1600?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like IRI wants to tell us why it cost $1600.  What is it?  Out of control lawsuits?  This has always been a strawman- the empirical evidence since the rightwingers &#8220;reformed&#8221; tort laws don&#8217;t support that claim, plus it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to expect better results from healthcare by removing accouintability from the system.  </p>
<p>Or do we simply consume healthcare irresponsibly in the US?  Do we simply need to ration consumption?  That the effect of our present policies (higher copays, higher deductibles, prescription forumaries, preferred providers, etc., etc., etc.).  HSAs seem poised only to make it worse.  &#8220;Market&#8221; solutions to healthcare must not work very well if we have to resort to de facto rationing in order to keep the wingtip crowd feeling their best.  </p>
<p>Personally, I think it probably costs $1600 because the insurance companies, the pharma companies, and the countless legions of middleman companies have wasted untold sums over the past decade on promotional crap like gimme hats, tote bags, t-shirts, and on other b2b marketing.  Fact is, much of these costs are aimed only at gaming the current byzantine system, NOT reducing costs or improving service.  </p>
<p>Market driven healthcare in this country has failed because consumers have had their choices limited and at the same time have been forced to bear the ever-escalating costs. </p>
<p>So why, IRI, why does it cost $1600?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449626', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449596</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t the HMO&#039;s supposed to be the big panacea for bringing down healthcare costs? I suppose they&#039;re working out well for you...provided you own stock in one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the HMO&#8217;s supposed to be the big panacea for bringing down healthcare costs? I suppose they&#8217;re working out well for you&#8230;provided you own stock in one!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449596', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Krazny</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449532</link>
		<dc:creator>Krazny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the comment about collective bargaining with big pharma. Congress has received huge amounts of money from big pharma, I don&#039;t expect to see any changes in prescription drug prices. I do like those who place profits before lives.

Culture of life indeed. what a bunch of crap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the comment about collective bargaining with big pharma. Congress has received huge amounts of money from big pharma, I don&#8217;t expect to see any changes in prescription drug prices. I do like those who place profits before lives.</p>
<p>Culture of life indeed. what a bunch of crap<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449532', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TerrytheTurtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerrytheTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>``If they would rather die,&#039;&#039; said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. - Ebenezer Scrooge, noted Compassionate Conservative</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they would rather die,&#8221; said Scrooge, &#8220;they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. &#8211; Ebenezer Scrooge, noted Compassionate Conservative<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449531', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Krazny</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449529</link>
		<dc:creator>Krazny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is the compassionate conservatism at work. I am remember seeing a study about 6 months ago, that the insured payed close to an extra $1,000 a year because of the unisured.

Fact is an uninsured person will wait on medical attention until it is a crisis. That medical care is then either written off, or the person ends up paying for the rest of their life. If the medical care is written off, those costs are passed to other medical care users.

It really would be in the best interest of this country to institute a nationwide medical plan. After all we want to build a culture of life don&#039;t we?

I have friends in Canada, who enjoy their healthcare system a great deal, and are pleased that they do not have to worry about unexpected medical costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is the compassionate conservatism at work. I am remember seeing a study about 6 months ago, that the insured payed close to an extra $1,000 a year because of the unisured.</p>
<p>Fact is an uninsured person will wait on medical attention until it is a crisis. That medical care is then either written off, or the person ends up paying for the rest of their life. If the medical care is written off, those costs are passed to other medical care users.</p>
<p>It really would be in the best interest of this country to institute a nationwide medical plan. After all we want to build a culture of life don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>I have friends in Canada, who enjoy their healthcare system a great deal, and are pleased that they do not have to worry about unexpected medical costs.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449529', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/16/health-care-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-449505</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The rights take on this issue is itâ€™s a good thing that 45 million people donâ€™t have health insurance because the rest of us that do have really good and expensive health care?&lt;/em&gt;

Heh.  It makes them feel superior to the poor who can&#039;t afford health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The rights take on this issue is itâ€™s a good thing that 45 million people donâ€™t have health insurance because the rest of us that do have really good and expensive health care?</em></p>
<p>Heh.  It makes them feel superior to the poor who can&#8217;t afford health care.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=449505', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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