Chertoff On Outsourcing Operations of 6 U.S. Ports To UAE: ‘I Can’t Get Into It’
Chertoff On Outsourcing Operations of 6 U.S. Ports To UAE: ‘I Can’t Get Into It’
Today on CNN’s Late Edition, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff refused to explain why the administration has turned over control of operations at six of the nation’s largest ports to a company owned by the United Arab Emirates, a country with dubious ties to international terrorism:
The discussions are classified. I can’t get into the specifics here…As far as my agency is concerned, port security really rests principally with the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection.
In other words, don’t worry about it, the Coast Gaurd has it covered. Kim Petersen, president of the largest maritime security consulting company in the United States, SeaSecure, disagrees:
Port security is a big problem, Petersen said, because the Coast Guard does not have enough resources for the waters close to ports.
“It doesn’t have either the people or the necessary physical resources to provide the in-water patrols that are so desperately needed,” he said.
Sounds like Chertoff has the whole situation under control.
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This ghoulish fiend needs to be fired – yesterday!
February 19th, 2006 at 12:47 pmSounds like Chertoff was out of the loop on making this decision. Trying to pass the buck? WTF?
There’s a story here. If we only had some journalists in this country.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:49 pmIt is really quite simple, we haven’t been attacked on our soil recently and Bush is in trouble politically. We need another spectacular attack to justify more restrictions on individual liberties and perhaps even declare martial law around the time of the November elections.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:52 pmThere’s Homeland Security again, making America safer.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:56 pmAfter the reeming Chertoff just got regarding th Katrina response, you would think he would denounce this port insecurity plan by the White House.
But then I think that the lazy response to Katrina was intentional to turn Lousiana from a blue state into a red state.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:58 pmChertoff is a big liar like Cheney, so do NOT believe a word he says about anything! The coast guard patrols our coastlines but they are unable to secure port facilities!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:02 pmOne of the recommendations of the 9/11 report is that our ports need security personnel beefed up or troops guarding the facilities, so for Bush to sell off the port concessions is rediculous, and proves that is “War on Terrorism” is 100% phony! Our airports have NO troops guarding them, nor are our borders defended by troops!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThe cadaverous Chertoff has admitted that there are secret arrangements made between the Dubai company and our ports.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:07 pmHow many more secret agreements are the public going to allow?
Everything they do is “classified” secretive, unable to be made known to the public, “reasons of security” bullsh–.
They are our PUBLIC SERVANTS for crissake — we pay their salaries. We recognize some things must be held privately for security reasons, but they put everything under that umbrella — they are dangerous, fascists.
DHS (Thru the Coast Guard) will still be responsible for port security. The ability or inability of DHS to protect these 6 ports shouldn’t be any different under DPw than under the P&O. Why are those topics so confidential that they can’t be discussed.
As an aside, I think you meant to say that the UAE has ties to terrorism,not that the ties are dubious. They may in fact be merely inferences based on the items you mention but I don’t think you meant to claim the ties are dubious.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmNow that wheels are in motion for our next “attack”, get in on the latest pool: Guess the exact date and location and win a free ern in which to store your ashes!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmOops, urn.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI think LA is a red state, but has several large blue pockets, including NO. I have no doubt that the Reps want NO for their own to turn it into some kind of “dollywood” or “las vegas” for all the rich reps to make their gazillion dollars.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI think the port of LA was one that is being sold to Dubai.
Chertoff claims everything is classified > just means WE the American citizenry are NOT supposed to know anything about the port operations being sold off, nor are we to know that the payments to buy the port concessions are being funneled into Cheney’s Swiss bank accounts! So is that why Dick was with the Swiss Miss Ambassador in Texas? Harry Whittington must of objected, so he got blasted?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:17 pmDid anybody think about the fact that beefing up port security could be usede to create jobs for Americans. Instead once again, jobs are being outsourced, so that profits are outsourced. Another way to remove money from our pool and give it to somebody else.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:18 pmthis is the repubs way of saying “we are safer today than we were before.”
February 19th, 2006 at 1:19 pmExecutive Priviledge, National Security, Classified, Blah blah blah.
These people realy feel they are above accountability to the people who elect them.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:20 pmthis is a clear answer to anyones question of whether bushy was behind 9/11. the very people he used to scare americans, stupid ones, he is having guarding our ports. keep the nazi tactics up it’s working the gullable christians they believe anything you tell em’.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:22 pmOutsourcing the security of our ports is a pre9/11 mentality.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:22 pmi am fricken outraged about all of this. i guess my service, now a vet and all the other gi’s service was in vain. i start letting my fellow soldiers and vets know.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:24 pmChertoff is guilty of negligent homocide and at a minimum should be out of a job.
What a shameless piece of garbage.
These incompetent Bush cronies deserve extermination.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:26 pmhow can folks be so stupid about bushco and 9/11? when it first happened folks outta known. what is wrong with folks?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:28 pmjust don’t get it.
and then want to cut MY vet benefits while these peckerwoods get green off of my blood. sorry bastards. sorry folks had to go there.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:30 pm1) Two of the hijackers were UAE.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pm2) Who runs the operation will have a huge
affect on security regardless of who is
nominally of “actual security”, i.e. Coast Guard.
3) Things involving the security of the country
sould not be outsourced to anyone. American security
is the job of America, not some other entity especially
the UAE (see “1)” just above).
4) Why don’t we just outsource the U.S. Army to
Pakistan? Because some things should never go to
the lowest bidder regardless.
5) This is likely just another payoff that helps
Carlisle, Haliburton or some other rich BushCo
supporter. That appears to be the only thing that
actually drives this administration.
To this day, I still get amazed, by the sheer incompetence of the Bush Admistration.
I want two questions answered.
1. Who is the MENSA graduate that came up with this policy?
2. How is this policy, in any way, shape, or form, in Americas best interest?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:34 pmakadad, bushs response to you is: huh?, um, um, huh. you know that is a good question. ask in 2009 and you might get the truth.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:37 pmDont hire Americans! Says Bush
next he will Hire Illegal Aliens to guard the borders
February 19th, 2006 at 1:38 pmYeah, and if it were a Dem, the thugs and the press would be screaming loud and long. But you know, its post 911 and, well you know.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:41 pmAj yep the Mexican army already guards the border > lol. They let 2 million Mexicans cross it yearly and drug smugglers too! Terrorists just have to dress up as wetbacks and they can cross too!
If I was president the border would be fenced and guarded by American troops, so nobody would cross it and drug traffickers would be gunned down! Border crossing checkpoints would be fully secured and only allow workers with documentation to cross with a green card!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:45 pmHow can Cheroff say this is classified. He is working for us and we as American have a right to know. Why would they sell this to a foreign Company UAE? This guy couldn’t take care of the Katrina respond in New Orleans last year, how do expect Homeland Securty to protect the USA. He is a total jerk.
I think congress is trying to block this sell. Let’s hope this works.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:47 pmthe very people who keep claiming, since 911 blah, blah, crap, should be called on this by the dems, saying for those who cry 911 every other sentence doesn’t this seem a bit hypocritical and any american really can’t be buying this fear mongoring if you accept the very people who attacked you to guard you
February 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pmIsn’t it clear by now that 911 and WOT is simply
a political ploy for BushCo, AKA Rove?
This administration couldn’t care less about
America’s security. Think about the catch 22:
1) No attack = doing a good job
2) Attack = must rally around BushCo because
we are afraid
Can’t lose with this confidence game, so why bother
February 19th, 2006 at 1:55 pmto care?
Just reward your friends and plan for a soft landing
in the private sector.
excuse yourself, jay randal, #28 – that racist remark was unnecessary and uncalled for.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:55 pm[...] UPDATE: Chertoff was making the rounds on the Sunday talk shows today and when asked about why he outsourced port security to a company based in the UAE (believed to sponsor terrorism), he couldn’t answer, because you know….everything is a big secret. Whenever the administration is asked a tough question, the strategy is to a) ignore the question totally or b) claim they can’t comment because it’s classified. [...]
February 19th, 2006 at 1:56 pmI have long argued that the GOP security/terrorism issue must be negated for us to win back either house in November.
This could not have been scripted better for just such an attack upon the issue the GOP will ride in November. However, the leadership is cowering in fear (with a few exceptions). For fu*ks sake, when will they get it that it can not be avoided if we want to be the opposition, let alone if we want power!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:56 pmJay Randal,
Easy on the “wetbacks” talk. As a reisdent of California I have a lot of Mexican friends. Calling them wetbacks is not any different than calling an African-American a “shiprider.” They are both referrences to how the people got into America and neither is pleasent. Lot’s of death involved.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:57 pmThe term “wetback” was coined in Texas to denote those who crossed the Rio Grande river to get into the US! To leave the border wide open and undefended is RACIST, because everybody else has to enter the US bu quotas! I was born in California and I have NO problem with documented Latino laborers being allowed into the US! This nation cannot obsorb 2 million Mexicans or others a year! If you want the border open then you are NO different than Bush himself! Do NOT fall charges of being called racist for wanting secure borders! I am a Democrat but believe in real security for US!
February 19th, 2006 at 2:05 pmMy comments about this are so classified, even I can’t comment on it!….what a cop out, we are in so much danger if we let them do this. Putting the fox IN THE HEN HOUSE!!!…WTF! X 10,000!
February 19th, 2006 at 2:05 pmChertoff just wants this to die out. He thinks he’ll get that by saying it’s classified – which won’t work.
As for the posters here against any company from another country controlling a US port – the prior company was domiciled in the UK (P&O).
The other bidder, that DPW beat, was an arm of Temasek. Temasek is the investment arm of the Government of Singapore. Singapore is about the same in regards to human rights. Except they have to problems stringing up western drug users ’smuggling’ small amonts of drugs in – witness the recent Australian execution by hanging. Dubai, which is where DPW is domiciled, just executes the locals. Westerners get long long prison sentences.
The US ports were not the ‘crown jewel’ of the deal, although they are attractive. P&O has worldwide operations.
The slightly amusing thing here is the bidding war coverage, by the Financial Times, made no mention of the US ports. They weren’t ‘important’.
As for the suggestion that DPW would somehow be able to lower the effectiveness of security – that’s basically garbage. DHS and the Coast Guard make you clean up your act.
Again, DPW’s main board, in Dubai, has eight non-UAE citizens. 5 of them are westerners, 3 are from India. The UAE citizen is a member of the royal family and watches over the investment.
For political reasons the US Port manager for DPW will be an American. So would all the staff – they aren’t bringing in more than a handful of managers because they are taking on all the former P&O employees – i.e. the ‘white collar’ ones.
They also aren’t importing longshoremen, who really have the ability to screw up security.
Dubai should be given some credit for being the most progressive emirate in the Middle East and for being very, very open to Westerners (the majority of Dubai residents are foreigners now).
As for Dubai’s reasons for going into port operations – it’s pretty simple. They have almost no oil left. Therefore they have been hording oil revenues and investing them.
DPW also likely overpaid:)
The main deal is that the board has 1 UAE citizen, the rest have nothing to do with the UAE. DPW has a habit of appointing managers who are, say, Indian to run Indian ports. They are fairly politically sensitive.
I would like a response on what P&O shareholders should have been forced to do. Since DPW’s bid is no good, are they to be forced to accept a lesser bid from Singapore, which is fairly repressive itself (and foreign)? Or if no foreign companies can own P&O (which is foreign) should they be ’stuck’ with some bidder off perhaps 30 percent less?
I imagine the answer to those questions is yes here. Which is really neither here nor there. There are choices to be made.
I see the post has changed to reflect the fact that DPW will operate the port, not own it. They get to take over a concession to operate ports who are owned by the port authorities of the respective cities. Those concessions can be voided for breach of contract.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThis sale is not CLASSIFIED!
Its a PUBLIC SALE!
The interesting thing is the UAE just purchased a large amount of Security Buoys from an American firm called WHISPERWAVE.
Now they are getting operational control of our nations harbors after purchasing security buoys?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:14 pmOh and as to the fact the 2 of the 9/11 terrorists were UAE citizens (I have no clue if they are from Abu Dhabi, Dubai, or else where in one other emirates) that’s really rather pointless. The fact that you can practice your own religion in Dubai, other than Islam, is fairly open.
The comparison I want to make here is that the 4 suicide bombers of the London Underground and a bus were UK citizens. The 4 others than failed in a bid a week or so later were all BORN in the UK. The shoe bomber was from the UK.
So the UK has bad people too. Does that mean that if a country has bad people who, say, send money to terrorist s or blow themselves up that the entire country should be viewed as ‘bad’?
My only real point is that ‘we’ tend to feel outraged, rightly, when individual muslims have their rights violated. But when it comes to all muslims it seems that we’re not a whole lot better than the wingnuts.
All the European countries have sizeable muslim populations.
If all other countries have muslims and some of those muslims are ‘bad’ should that country be barred from doing any sort of ’sensitive’ work in the US?
Also, DPW is investing 6.8 billion in P&O. They have some investments to make to physical stuff that’s going to cost another 3 billion or so. Alot of it is outside the US, some inside. New Orleans needs to get some work – other US ports need congestion easing measures.
I still fail to see how a couple UAE citizens in the US is god awful.
Do you think there are any very religious muslims who also already work at US ports? It really is the longshoremen that are the ones that can screw around with security as they handle all the containers.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:14 pmJust like the rest, Chertoff is another one who is too scared to do his job, for fear of the wrath of Bush and Cheney.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:16 pmChertoff can say it is classified because the panel that reviews these things bases its decisions on classified materials.
Of course the real reason is that the panel also considers political relations with that country to a large degree. Like, the US wants to reward Dubai for being a good US ally in a miserable area.
The secrecy is all rather stupid but it does give the impression that there’s alot more than security being analyzed.
It is the CIA, after all, that gets to DECIDE what CONGRESS SEES. So, they can selectively release documents to the panel to get a bid approved.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:19 pmNo they shouldn’t, but there should be a little more questioning than “ok”
February 19th, 2006 at 2:19 pmJames,
You are not taking into consideration the non-security related issue:
February 19th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
#41,
Point taken on the UAE, but I won’t give on
February 19th, 2006 at 2:23 pmthe potential risk for foreign control of our
ports.
UAE makes it a better PR example, maybe unfairly
as you suggest, but in the end when you lose control,
you can no longer ensure security.
Maybe that is okay for customer call centers or
IT help, but for American security – I don’t think
so.
question for James:
February 19th, 2006 at 2:23 pmwho are the westerners on DPW board? and i just want to make sure Im getting your post correct, are you saying that the operations of these 6 ports was previously owned by P&O, and since DPW just purchased P&O, they are now purchasing these operations as well?
Spudge_Boy we are both against Bush and his criminal administration! I used the term “wetback” as an example only! No you do not call Blacks in Georgia “Negros” or any other slang of that, but remember that Harry Belefonte called Powell and Rice “House Negroes” as a term to put them in their place > Harry is Black and can do that!
I am a 4th generation Californian and lived in CA till I was almost 30 > again I repeat documented Latino laborers are OK in US and those who have lived here for years should be given citizenship! The border must be secured and then a quota set for how many Mexicans can enter US on yearly basis! If our government fails to do that then our economy will collapse and all of us will be out of work!
Sorry if you think I used the term “w—–k” in a bad way!
February 19th, 2006 at 2:25 pmAs far as my agency is concerned, port security really rests principally with the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection, and then they will be funded at the approiate level, just like FEMA was funded at the approiate level in order to respond to disasters,…. NOT, … I predict some sort of Cole incident with a cruise ship in the future say Sept- Oct time frame, that will secure the midterm elections and save the Repugs for 2 more years. Give them time to make the tax cuts perminate, and use the “terror” attack to finish gutting FISA, enlarge the patriot act and establish the unitary executive law for bush and his sucessors, these people think that they’ll rule for ever.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:26 pmIt’s all good Jay Randal. I know we are on the same side. I just don’t want us to stoop to the level of I-RIGHT-I.
Illegal imigrants in California is a huge problem that something needs to be done about.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:30 pmJames
You miss the point. The only issue here is whether any foreign owned company should be awarded such a concession. Ports are the front door to the United State’s borders. As such they should be under the sole control of the federal government. This is truer now than ever before, not solely due to terrorism, but also because of economic importance. The flow of goods through U.S ports constitutes 3/4 of GDP, which trumps just about any other national security argument. The Constitution spells out who has sole authority over our international borders, only the federal government.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:32 pmI have NO problem with you correcting me Spudge_Boy, but katy called me a RACIST for wanting a secure border! If she thinks a wide open border is cool, then she has a problem?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:35 pmHmmm. aren’t those blue states along the coasts? Guess we won’t have to worry about voter fraud in the next elections. (Better to fight the terr’ists in blue state than in red states).
February 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pmYou know, a lot of folks lately have been using vitriolic statements against one another. What’s worse, in most cases it is between two progressives. With the exception of IRI (boychild) and a few others, race is not a factor, so quit using “third person” labels.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:41 pmyou don’t know shit about what i think jay randall – don’t put words in my mouth – i did not call you a racist – i said “that racist remark was unnecessary and uncalled for”…and it was.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:46 pmHere is a couple of things I could dig up. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd41.pdf Also http://www.portsecuritynews.com/
February 19th, 2006 at 2:46 pmClassified?This must mean that the Dept.of Homeland Security needs to raise funds for some other nefarious program,with all the tax cuts and all.As far as I’m concerned the Coast Gaurd was the only entity visable in NO post disaster,we should beef up those boys instead of out sourcing the primary duties of national security to some little wealthy goodbuddy region.This may even be some subsidiary of Halliburton for all we know,hence the classified nature of the deal.Money laundering for the rich and infamous.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#51, is right on the money.
The BUSHITES have been spouting for 5 years now how much smarter and better they are at protecting America from terrorists.
Now they are turning over operations of our nations 6 largest shipping ports to the United Arab Emirates?
The same UAE that our own FBI says LAUNDERED THE MONEY FOR THE FILTHY 911 TERRORISTS?
Its a slap in the face to every Americans intelligence, and its a slap in the face of those who died on 911 to bring this terrorist supporting SCUM right into downtown New Yorks harbor.
Even IF it wasn’t a security threat, it’s the most UNAMERICAN thing I’ve ever heard of.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:49 pmand i see “james” is back, in time for the “port sale” thread, no others…a plant to make us feel better about this? very knowledgeable indeed… sorry, i can’t help but be skeptical… once again – who/what are you, james?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pmAlso remember where Sec. Chertoff came from, the third circuit, same as Alito, any wonder why he was chosen for the job he has? http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/chertoff-bio.html
February 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pmMaybe now people will start to actually LISTEN to Michael Moore.
He’s been telling us for years how the BUSHITES are in bed with the terrorsts, and every called him a crackpot.
Now we see the Bush administration selling control of our US ports to the nation responsible for funding the terrorists.
What other questions do we need to ask?
Its time to impeach these guys, arrest them and throw them in prison where they belong.
Bush will look good in orange.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:53 pmWhy are we allowing all these people get away with these unbelievable acts?!? Wasting of American resources and tax payers dollars?!?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:56 pm?????
The headline of this post as well as the previous post on this subject have, sadly, lowered my confidence in Think Progress. Instead of relying unquestionably, as I had been for months, on the objectivity and accuracy of Think Progress’s posts, now I find myself asking, “I wonder if this is another one of those stories that they’ve distrorted to make it seem more sensational than it really is?” Completely aside from the advisability of the transaction in question, the fact is that it pertains to a number of FACILITIES IN THE PORTS mentioned, NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, the OPERATIONS OF THE ENTIRE PORTS. It’s hard to imagine that Think Progress is not well aware of this by now.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmFly Man
I have always been amazed that the Third Circuit has not been recognized for what it truly is; a nursery for neo-cons constructionists.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmJames.
This is the United ARAB Emirates. They laundered money for the 911 Hijackers.
Dubai ports made a large procurement of WHISPERWAVE Security Buoys, now they are going to have control of our ports?
Its a slap in the face to every American to hand operations of our Ports to and Arab nation after what happened to us on 911, even if they weren’t terrorist supporters, which they are.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmfly-man,
Good links.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pmLook Showman, if you expect to put your confidence in anything related to the actions of the government on cruise control try the Captain’s Quarters or redstate.org. No independent thinking required.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:01 pmThis Government continues to run this country on Fear. Why theyre turning the ports over to these guys is beyond me. Just another notch in the Fuck Up Belt for this administration.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:01 pm#63
I got news for you.
This story is perhaps the most important story facing us today.
If you can’t see that, then next time I would dip a smaller ladel from the barrel of Jesus Juice.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:02 pmThis is not the WHOLE story.
Everyone sitting down?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:03 pmU.S. Company Plans $265M Spaceport in UAE
Sat Feb 18, 12:45 AM ET
LOS ANGELES -
A day after Space Adventures announced it was in a venture to develop rocket ships for suborbital flights, the company said Friday it plans to build a $265 million spaceport in the United Arab Emirates.
The commercial spaceport would be based in Ras Al-Khaimah near the southern end of the Persian Gulf, and the UAE government has made an initial investment of $30 million, the Arlington, Va.-based company said in a statement.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pmSo lets see, the UAE will have Operation control of our 6 largest Sea Ports, and they will also have a SPACE PORT along with advanced SPACE technology.
:|
February 19th, 2006 at 3:05 pmThe commercial spaceport would be based in Ras Al-Khaimah near the southern end of the Persian Gulf,
February 19th, 2006 at 3:06 pmGee, I hope none of their rockets accidentally has a hard landing in the US.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:06 pmWorfeus, as the church lady would say HOW CONVENIENT! Who owns the atmosphere any way?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:07 pmAhh, what harm could the terrorists do to us from outer space? I mean, its not like they could spy on us, or hurt us, or obtain our secrets, or interfere with our Space defense systems, or satellites,,,,,right?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:07 pmShowman
This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Port security has been largely ignored; as such most of the public does not know that any part of port operations is under the control of civilian contract let alone foreign owned company contract. The fact that this contract is now with a state owned foreign company only adds to the importance of discussion.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:08 pmThese people are out of their flipping minds. How much money does the Bush family have invested in this Dubai company? That is the only reason that makes any sense for this outsourcing to be permitted.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:09 pmShowman,
I already responded to the same exact question you posed here in another thread.
Washington Post
February 12, 2006
United Arab Emirates Firm May Oversee 6 U.S. Ports
Stop posting the same thing. The people here do not buy that it is just a tiny portion of the ports.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:10 pmCitizen 80203, makes ya kinda wonder who get’s the second picks, IE: Harriet Meires, Bernie Kerik…. OT: Spudge_ I am in Blog Envy. Awesome your own blog! You are now on the bookmarks BAR.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:12 pmJay, Katy did not call you a racist. But she and others are correct in that the term “wetback” is a derogatory term applied to individuals who take the risk of crossing the boarder illegally in an attempt at securing employment and a better life for themselves and their children. You have apologized for using the term. But you misread Katy’s comment. You then infered she wanted wide open borders.
I’m pointing this out, because your posts are generally very good. However, perhaps we can all learn how easy it is to fall into the trap of putting words into someone else’s mouth through inferences. Politicians and “spin artists” are masters at this sort of thing. Let us choose a different path.
As to the borders and illegal immigrants, I teach public school in a farm-labor community. My students are children or grandchildren of farm workers. Some have been here illegally, having crossed the border with their parents. I do not fault the people who cross the boarder in search of employment, I fault the employers who hire them into near slave-labor conditions. I have seen some of the labor camps these people were housed in. Most of us would not enjoy living and working in the conditions those “wetbacks” had to endure.
The quickest way to eliminate the illegal immigration problem is to take away the profit motive from the employers by making it so expensive, via fines and jail time, that the employers will no longer hire illegal immigrants. This option has been available for decades. Why has it not been implemented?
But back to the topic at hand: We are going to give the operation of our ports to the UAE and the details are Classified. We are to accept this without question because President Bush is going to protect our country from any further terrorist attacks. We just need to accept as fact that an Arab company operating American ports poses no threat whatsoever to our national security. We just need to put complete trust and faith into our President to protect us. After all, if He can’t who can?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWorfeus
I too was amazed when I read that the other day at Raw Story. The only way a private company can conduct unfettered space operations is in a foreign country. From a launch standpoint, the UAE is a good choice, near the equator, near perfect atmospherics and over the ocean. Aside from that, what better place to hi-jack a civilian space liner and crash it into NYC. It’s not like a 40 ton object traveling at 24,000 miles an hour could do too much damage.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:19 pmfly-man,
Thanks! I have many more blogs I am working on, so keep checking back. Consider it a source to gether facts to post here and elsewhere. I post a lot of links to source materials (transcripts of hearings and speeches) and I like a lot of pictures, as if you didn’t know that from my posts here.
I think people need to put a face to a name. That way things aren’t happening to faceless Congressmen. Even the term Congressmen is faceless. It doesn’t even tell whether the person is in the House or Senate.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:24 pmCitizen80203, Spudge_Boy,
Your responses do not address my point. I am not arguing that this is not an important matter. I am simply saying that that “significant operations” is VASTLY DIFFERENT than total operation of all these ports, which is what the headline of this post says.
I am not an enemy of this site or its point of view. On the contrary, I rely on Think Progress, and for that reason I feel that the integrity of its headlines is extremely important.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:26 pmgoodbye showman, your ‘repeat’ trick does not alter the facts. can you READ?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pmthere you go again with the tongue-in-cheek, faire – “We just need to put complete trust and faith into our President to protect us. After all, if He can’t who can?”
February 19th, 2006 at 3:31 pm;-)
get someone to read you this,showman:
February 19th, 2006 at 3:31 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/19/port.security.ap/index.html
Showman
You wrote: “now I find myself asking, “I wonder if this is another one of those stories that they’ve distrorted to make it seem more sensational than it really is?†“
I wrote: “This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Port security has been largely ignored; as such most of the public does not know that any part of port operations is under the control of civilian contract let alone foreign owned company contract.”
February 19th, 2006 at 3:31 pmShowman, the problem with the left is there are too many people like you downplaying the importance of a major issue.
So let me put it in terms you might understand.
Right now, we are supposed to be hardening our national defenses, because we were attacked by Arabs. Muslim Arabs, but nonetheless, Arabs.
So right now giving an Arab nation a contract to CLEAN THE TOILETS in our AIRPORTS, SEAPORTS or SPACE PORTS would be downright STUPID.
PERIOD.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:34 pmThe UAE is not going to have people operating the cranes, driving the forklifts or sailing the ships. They are taking over the security. Those would be “significant operations.â€
I think definitions 1, 3 & 4 apply here.
sig·nif·i·cant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sg-nf-knt)
adj.
1. Having or expressing a meaning; meaningful.
2. Having or expressing a covert meaning; suggestive: a significant glance. See Synonyms at expressive.
3. Having or likely to have a major effect; important: a significant change in the tax laws.
4.Fairly large in amount or quantity: significant casualties; no significant opposition.
Statistics. Of or relating to observations or occurrences that are too closely correlated to be attributed to chance and therefore indicate a systematic relationship.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThis is a HUGE STORY.
THE BIGGEST.
Its bigger than anything I can think of.
It opens a door into our national security defenses for the Arab nations that can bite us on the ass now, or years in the future.
If this sale actually goes through, you can bet there will be a terrorist attack, and it will have something to do with something getting in through our ports.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:37 pmWe KNOW that the UAE just made a huge purchase of American made Security Buoys from a US firm called WHISPERWAVE.
Everyone think BUOYS.
THINK ABOUT THE BUOYS.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:39 pmShowman,
I agree, “significant operations” is vastly different than “total operation.” However, the headline of this post merely says,
The headline uses neither “significant” nor “total” in its text. Neither does the text beneath the headline use either term. Be careful reading into something that which does not exist, then criticizing the original source for something which was not stated. That is a tactic of the “spin doctors.”
February 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pmWHIPSERWAVE
EVERYONE REMEBER WHISPERWAVE.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:41 pmSuppose all of the Security Bouys at our Nations largest 6 shipping ports suddenly went “blind” at the EXACT SAME TIME.
Would that help a terrorist ship get into the harbors packed with explosive, chemical or biological agents?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:43 pmWorfeus,
I have already seen the entire eastern seaboard of the United States in flames.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:46 pmShowman
Even if all their operations are handled completely by American civilians, the parent state owned foreign company will have detailed knowledge of port our port security from the day to day contract obligations.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:47 pmIt’s unbelievably tone deaf politically at this point in our history, four years after 9/11, to entertain the idea of turning port security over to a company based in the UAE, who avows to destroy Israel.
Senator Lindsey Graham
February 19th, 2006 at 3:48 pmTechnologies announced it had doubled its production capacity, owing to an increased global demand for the WhisprWave® line of maritime barriers and buoys.
The Company also announced several recent port security contracts both in the US and globally, with expanded manufacturing production lending them the ability to ensure delivery and installation of the WhisprWave® products.
As of January 25th it was announced that the delivery and installation of four Marine Security Sign Buoys and two hundred and eighty linear feet of WhisprWave® Small Craft Intrusion Barrier™ (SCIB™) for the US Army Reserve Facility at Mare Island, Vallejo, CA were secured.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:51 pmI live in Philadelphia. If the terrorists attack my port, I’ll know who failed to protect us.
The Bush Administration misses every opportunity to protect us, while taking every opportunity to violate the Constitution and rob us of our unalienable right.
Impeach.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:51 pmWhisprWave® Floating Breakwater and Wave Attenuator Purchased for use in the Port of Jebel Ali, Dubai, UAE
Naval Support Contract Follows Recent Presentation to the 3rd Arab Maritime Security Congress
Sylvan Lake, MI – December 20, 2005 –
Wave Dispersion Technologies (WDT) http://wwww.whisprwave.com announced it has recently received a purchase contract from Naval Security Forces for the Port of Jebel Ali, in Dubai, United Arab Emirates for 300 feet of WhisprWave® large floating wave attenuator (LFWA).
February 19th, 2006 at 3:53 pmWhen the headlines here says
…”Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff refused to explain why the administration has turned over control of operations at six of the nation’s largest ports to a company owned by the United Arab Emirates”
Tell me please in all honesty and fairness if it is not easy to draw the conclusions that six of this nation’s port’s ENTIRE operations have been turned over to a company owned by the UAE.
If this is not true, then there is a certain amount of unnecessary or premature fearmongering going on and one does not have to be either left or right to make a call on this. We have had it up to here with fearmongering. Let’s understand what the facts are and the dangers posed before we blow off please and not be so defensive at the slightest criticism that may weaken a certain stance.
Thank you SHOWMAN for pointing this out.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAnyone see Oceans 11?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:00 pmAND STOP THOSE PORTS FROM BEING SOLD TO ANYONE! PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU ALL TO CALL CONGRESS ASAP TOMORROW AND DEMAND NO SALE OF THOSE PORTS!PLEASE!
Comment by a Boy Named Sue
Hi Sue..how do you do?
I just love it when the moonbats bark in capital letters.
I’m not going to tell her.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:03 pmWhisprWave® Floating Breakwater and Wave Attenuator Purchased for use in the Port of Jebel Ali, Dubai, UAE .
Think people.
Lets say I wanted to bypass a security device to commit a crime.
Suppose I could “purchase” the security device I needed to bypass?
How much of an advantage would that give me?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:03 pmDoesn’t Chertoff have dual citizenship? If so, why is he head of this agency? Given his stellar performance with Katrina, why is he even in a position today to be commenting on this transaction?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:04 pmSuppose I modified the security device to do something other than for what it was intended to do?
Lets say I had operational control over the device. Could I replace the devices with my modified devices?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:05 pmWhats funny is watching the right wing trolls in here like Showman, who want to downplay the outsourcing of our Nations Seaports security operations to a terrorist friendly Arab state.
These guys scream about national defense as their cornerstone, and then defend the most LAMEBRAIN RECKLESS ASSBACKWARDS move anyone could ever make.
Its like being protected by the KeyStone Cops!
February 19th, 2006 at 4:09 pmEveryone repeat after me.
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February 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmTo facilitate the security needs of the US Navy, US Coast Guard, US Army, other government agencies and commercial interests, the company has developed the WhisprWave® Technology line of Maritime Intrusion and Exclusion Barriers and Warning Buoys for Homeland Security and Force Protection.
The unique characteristics of the WhisprWave® Homeland Defense Products include mobility, marine grade design and off-the-shelf availability for Homeland Security maritime zone demarcation applications, (a requirement recently mandated by the USCG for all nuclear power plants post 9/11).
February 19th, 2006 at 4:18 pmShould a nation make a guard dog out of a hound of HELL?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:18 pmBriseadh na Faire,
Thank you for addressing the point of my comment. While I agree that the headline of this post doesn’t include the world “total”, the absence of any qualifier can esaily lead one to infer (as I did, and others here appear to have as well) that the operation of these gigantic ports had been turned over lock, stock and barrel to the UAE.
Instead, according to the NY times, the facilities affected in NY are “Operations of the cruise ship terminal on the West side of Manhattan and one-half interest in the third-largest conatainer terminal in the port of NY.”
February 19th, 2006 at 4:19 pmIf I hadn’t told you dumbasses a week ago that this was a very bad idea and that instead of doing your usual nit-picking circle jerk you should jump on this issue you’d still be in that circle. I see the MSM is going to give the Cheney shotgun blast at least another week of top coverage. I guess maybe I ought to call them too.
But one thing puzzled me. Arabs in the Detroit area are shining laser lights at pilots, Arabs in New Jersey are killing Christians, Arabs all over the Middle East and Indonesia are killing and maiming and kidnapping and beheading and bombing, in Africa they are committing genocide on a scale not seen since they slaughtered 2 million Christians in the Balkans, and not one word from you losers. Why is that?
Well, let me tell you why that is. That is so because you just haven’t found a way to blame George Bush and tie it all together in a neat little package. Unless George’s fingerprints are all over it Islam is the “Religion of Peach” and no amount of killing and destruction by these savages because of a cartoon or some imagined slight to the cultist instruction book the Koran is going to bother you.
I’m ashamed of each and every one of you bastards that call yourself Americans. The Zeropeans on here I don’t care about, I mean, really, who does? But you Americans are supposed to be good and kind and generous and you’re supposed to hate the bad guys. If George Bush is the only bad guy you know then you people are morally corrupt, blind, simpering little fukweasels and piss poor Americans.
Have a nice Sunday.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:21 pmI see the Kult eunuchs have eaten their can beans in the basement shelter and now can fart out the kult scripture verses.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:21 pmFor the TP team in case they are interested.
Wave Dispersion Technologies, Inc
February 19th, 2006 at 4:21 pmJonathan B. Smith,
Managing Director
Sylvan Lake, MI
248-229-9010 jbsmith@whisprwave.com
I’m ashamed of each and every one of you bastards that call yourself
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Gee….I-RIECHSTAG-I is ashamed of us.
What to do……
:|
February 19th, 2006 at 4:27 pmA boychild like IRI does not have enough life experience to form a simple conclusion let alone a complex one.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:34 pmHey IRI, when you get your pubic hair in then you might be able to join the military and find out what a real American really is.
Until then, don’t tell me what a REAL American is.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pmSo lets see, the UAE will have Operation control of our 6 largest Sea Ports, and they will also have a SPACE PORT along with advanced SPACE technology.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:48 pmJeezus-friggin-christ!
Katy(#32), Without Jay Randall (#28), we would have nothing more to work for!! “We” aren’t rep/dem/l/r. Pass it on.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:49 pmGee IRI if you are so ashamed of us then perhaps you should ignore us and go away.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pm#38 by James
Very, very simple: Split off the port operations piece from the business deal, just like similar actions taken to avoid antitrust concerns during other corporate buyouts. P&O then keeps or sells the port operations to an American company (or possibly other British company). This kind of stuff happens all the time. It’s not rocket science. Duh. But apparently it’s far beyond what the Bush Administration can handle. Why am I not surprised.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:00 pmWhat is WhisprWave® Floating Breakwater and Wave Attenuator?
Comment by Sue — February 19, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
LOL, Sue, its a multi-purpose Breakwater device. Its A buoy basically that can do stuff, like measure waves, erosion, or provice Security capabilites.
The interesting thing is when they were purchased by the UAE.
The port of Dubai, operated by Dubai Ports Worldwide, the same firm taking over many security operations of our ports, purchased the devices around the same time they purchased a contract to run operations at 6 major US ports.
The coincidence is hard to ignore.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:01 pmSo lets see, the UAE will have Operation control of our 6 largest Sea Ports, and they will also have a SPACE PORT along with advanced SPACE technology.
Jeezus-friggin-christ!
Comment by Marie — February 19, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Thats right Marie, and they also have our Port Harbor Water security devices to examine intrictly.
They just purchased a bunch of them.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:03 pmGee IRI if you are so ashamed of us then perhaps you should ignore us and go away.
Comment by Marie
Somebody has to keep an eye on you losers.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:04 pmSPACE PORTS, HARBOR SECUIRTY DEVICES, and now control over our HARBORS.
Sounds like someones getting to serve up a bowl of DISASTER SOUP.
mmmmmmm
February 19th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#131 Somebody has to keep an eye on you losers.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Thus either you really care (how sweet), or you think we’re really dangerous to the right-wingers (how complimentary). You pick.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:08 pmSomebody has to keep an eye on you losers.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
Yea? Hows the pay?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:10 pmKnowing the past, plus what’s been happening lately, then adding this only makes something that’s bad….look more than a lot worse.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:10 pmSPACE PORTS, SEA PORTS AND HARBOR SECUIRTY DEVICES,
oh my. :|
February 19th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#135 Exactly right. It’s the whole story that makes each new bit so damning. The Repubs try to pass off each piece taken by itself, and the unthinking media and public don’t see the whole story. Then they say, “What’s the big deal with this one thing?”
February 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pmWhats funny is watching the right wing trolls in here like Showman, who want to downplay the outsourcing of our Nations Seaports security operations to a terrorist friendly Arab state.
These guys scream about national defense as their cornerstone, and then defend the most LAMEBRAIN RECKLESS ASSBACKWARDS move anyone could ever make.
Its like being protected by the KeyStone Cops!
Comment by worfeus
You wouldn’t even know about this if I hadn’t told you and you wouldn’t be bitching about it if I hadn’t shown you how you beat up Bush with it. It’s just now sinking in why it’s important but still the most important part to you is that IT IS GEORGE BUSH’S FAULT. Hey dumbass, the states that these ports reside are Blue aren’t they? Yes. And there’s only one or two Democrats bitching about it at the Federal right? Yes. So basically this is a bi-partisan fuck America job isn’t it? Yeppers.
Oh, and you still haven’t explained why this bothers you so much since everybody knows that Islam is the Religion of Peace and that BUSH MASTERMINDED 9-11, NOT THE ISLAMISTS. So what’s the f’ing problem here. The Muslims don’t mean us any harm, right?
Just in case you missed it I’m trying to show how hypocritical and inconsistent you pea-brained losers are.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:15 pmSo don’t talk about the right wing trolls.
Yea, I mean whats the big deal?
What possible damage could the financeers of 911 do to us from our 6 largest national Harbors?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pmYea? Hows the pay?
Comment by WORFEUS —
More than you get for a blow job you self hating American prick.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pmYou wouldn’t even know about this if I hadn’t told you and you wouldn’t be bitching about it if I hadn’t shown you how you beat up Bush with it.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
You really think to much of yourself I-IDIOT-I.
I knew about this story long before I saw it in here. I’ve been posting in another blog for over a week about this, the SPACE PORTS, and the WHISPRWAVE sales, (the last 2 of which you have said NOTHING about in here).
You should rethink your high opinion of yourself. It just makes you look even dumber.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:21 pmMore than you get for a blow job you self hating American prick.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
If I were you’re boss, I’d ask for my money back.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:24 pmHey Judd.
This is OK? We allow this kind of attack now?
Cool.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:25 pmMore than you get for a blow job you self hating American prick.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
Actually, I heard your Mom gets more.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:26 pmThen again they said your father needs to swallow more.
If he keeps spitting it out well have to knock the lower half of his teeth out so we can do a force swallow.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:27 pmWhy do you think we call your dad Rubberneck
:D
February 19th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI-RIGHT-I,
First of all, I would like to commend you for not saying Muslims, Muslims, Muslims.
Second, you need to direct this question at Think Progress. They choose what to blog on and we respond with posts that relate to the threads. Other than that, it is called posting off topic and is one of the biggest distractions that you trolls use. Why would us liberals want to derail our own threads?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pmWorfeus, calm down. Do not stoop to IRI’s level. I appreciate your earlier posts tremendously.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pmThanks Bris, but that was calm.
In fact, it was gleeful.
I figure if Judd thinks its ok for that peice of bowl of human sewage to talk to me that way, then it must likewise be ok for me to retort in like fashion.
Fair is fair.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:37 pmIf he keeps spitting it out well have to knock the lower half of his teeth out so we can do a force swallow.
Comment by WORFEUS — February 19, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
His father is dead…
Seems the Right and the Left finally agree on something (since no one is attacking his argument, just his juvenile approach). I think we can seize the opportunity to remember that it is “WE The People” and stop fighting like a bunch of third graders.
Even the other night, both of you posted links to sites that were basically condeming the same problem. Yet you kept fighting over semantics. Never seeing that the argument is overshadowing the problem.
This is how the Plantation Owners of the South got away with their atrocities. They pitted the Irish immigrants against the black slaves – creating tension through racism, so they could, while the bickering was going on, get away with anything. It’s no different now. They’re pitting the Left aganist the Right and while we argue over which side is more corrupt, our government is making the Plantation Owners look like saints.
You’re both better than this pettiness. I just wish you’d see it yourselves and try to act like the intelligent grown men you are.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:38 pmSUE:
email me at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com
please. Post back here when you have.
I care.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pmRubberneck……LOL, didn’t that one crack you up?
Even a little?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pmOk, well whatever Unbelievable. As for his father being dead? Who cares. Lots of peoples fathers are dead.
He knows what he’s doing when he vomits up his vile bile in here, insulting people and launching personal attacks.
I just thought I’d oblige him.
In the words of Lucius Lactantius, It is better to employ words, than blows. – Divine Institutes
February 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pmClearly, we’re going to drive this car off the cliff… all while bickering over which radio station to play.
Have a good evening.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:45 pmAnd did you ever stop to think, that maybe I’m not better than that?
Maybe I’m fed up with being insulted in the most filthy of fashions and expected to take it like a freakin Amish farmer?
A couple of right winged punks opened their mouth to me in a bar once, interuppting a conversation I was having with a girl over why we should not invade Iraq.
One of the little punks told me he had a friend who died in the tower and I better stop defending Iraq.
I told him to make me.
Know what the 4 big tough right wing punks did?
Thats right.
Not a goddamned thing.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmBut OK.
I’ll leave since I’m clearly not wanted by either side this evening.
TTFN
February 19th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWorfeus, I agree with Unbelievable.
Unbelievable, I would address I-Right-I’s argument. He misses the point. Atrocities are being committed by both sides in what is rapidly degenerating into a holy crusade/jihad reminiscent of 1000 years ago.
NO ONE seems willing to address the root causes. And until that happens, the killing will continue, because the dead come from the expendable masses, sent there by the ruling elite. Until humanity realizes that religion, race and culture are being used to manipulate and control and keep the few in perpetual power, there will be no change, only hatred and destruction while the privileged few worship at the shrine of their holy profit.
We are being systematically played and sacrificed to fill an insatiable need, an insatiable greed, a denial of death that has plagued man-unkind since the first realization of mortality in this realm.
I generally do not address I-Right-I because his arguments amount to two wrongs making a right: he justifies one wrong by citing another. He also punctuates his arguments with name-calling. That tactic demeans everything else he says.
Keep to a reasoned debate. Back up assertions of fact with original sources. Justify the rightness of your position through reason, not name-calling.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:00 pmWORFEUS,
I don’t mind you attacking I-RIGHT-I the racist bastard deserves it.
It is one thing to debate with righties, it is another thing to sit here and take bullsh!t insults from the likes of I-RIGHT-I or own very own stalker wwallace.
People like this will never change and deserve everything they get. Fvck ‘em.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:01 pmIt looks most like the beurocracy trying to offset costs for port security so they can free up some money to help out the Christians in Darfur,maybe some restitution.With all the evangecals over there it’s no wonder the atmosphere is so violent.The pity is that nobody is realy cognizant of the issues but I’m sure that there are mineral resources involved and American investors.This must be hush hush and classified since there is so little coverage of theose events.Who counts the votes,who owns the media,you are what you eat.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:02 pmI-IDIOT-I…i’m really surprized that you are able to read!!
February 19th, 2006 at 6:05 pmHow much money did the Busheviks get to deliver this contract? We knew our government was for sale. Now we know the security of our major ports is for sale, to a Dubai based Al Qaeda affiliate. Great….
February 19th, 2006 at 6:21 pmMaybe the out-there theory of the Bushies being in bed with the Saudis has more than a grain of truth in it. Bush is the agent for the Saudis whose goal is to rule the world. The 9/11 connection, the events of the following days, the letting OBL escape, the affection openly shown to the King and Princes of Arabia by Bush, the Carlylse group assn., Bush is giving the country away, this week it’s the ports –he is the ultimate double agent, or the stupidest patsy in the world.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:07 pm# 2 there is a Story here but the MSM is totally controlled by the adminstration so the story will be hushed like everything else in this “Homeland”
We are fast becoming a colony of the Arab Oil Cabal and this adminstration is part of that Cabal.
The right wing church movenment will one morning wake up to being owned and controlled and their religon will be tossed like a salad in a 1 star diner.
bushco oil-arab marriage goes way back I wonder what the Hertiage Foundation thinks(Hey Ed Meese give us your thots on this”
There’s many books on the bush family and the arab oil cabals many are worth reading, also something else is worth reading upon is the Caryle Group of which papa bush is very closely linked too.
There is a plot to overtake this country and it will happen .I said in 2000 bush jr is America’s dicator and noone will be able to stop him as he will place all his pawns in power postions and that has happen. The Consitution doesn’t mean any more to bastard than a piece of paper to wipe his ass on! That flag he so artfully dislays means Nothing and Bill Frist is a laughing joke in Nashville esp at Vanderbilt University and Vanderbilt Hospital.
This country has become a blood thirsty nighmare.
The Dem Party doesn’t have the balls to take on bushco if they did these Vampires would lay down if those who pretend to be Pro Consitution like Hagel, Snowe, Chafee and others then this thug in the W.H. would be impeached.
A few days ago the word Anthrax came up yes, I believe we all know who sent that Anthrax out and the reason just like the same group took a plane out of the sky with Paul Wellstone to many real lawmakers were questioning and this Cabal had to stop them. Now trolls don’t get your panties and shorts all twisted up in your cracks just yet cause this affect you people more than it does us.’Nuff said”
February 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pm#138 by I-right-I
1. YOU haven’t explained why this bothers YOU so much.
2. YOU haven’t explained why this DOESN’T bother BUSH so much. It’s his ‘War on Terror.’ Why do his actions appear to show that he’s NOT fighting a war? This is one of many actions that show Bush is not fighting any war on terror and is not preparing the country for another attack.
3. If you agree that this is problem (allowing a corporate sale that gives management of major American ports to an Arab country with ties to terrorism), then why are you harassing like-minded folks here? Why aren’t YOU complaining about Bush??
February 19th, 2006 at 7:16 pmIs this connected to the purchase by DPworld?
Is Robert C. Bush Jr. related to George Bush?
SULTAN AHMED BIN SULAYEM is the exuctive director of DPWorld and the Chairman of Istithmar.Robert C. Bush Jr. is also on the Board of Istithmar.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP…/16/ ldt.01.html
United Arab Emirates firms are interested, by the way, in more than our ports. Tonight, a media investment firm based in the United Arab Emirates has taken a sizable stake in Time Warner. Time Warner owns this network.
We don’t suggest that there is any correlation between our reporting and the investment firm’s interest in Time Warner, but we did think it was notable. The firm is called Istithmar, it has bought a 2.4 percent stake in Time Warner, the parent company, as I said, of this network. The company now has control of more than 100 million Time Warner shares.
Istithmar Company Officers – Zawya.com Company Directory
Board of Directors Name Position SULTAN AHMED BIN SULAYEM Chairman Hamed Kazim … Chief Investments Officer Peter Jodlowski Chief Financial Officer ROBERT C BUSH JR …
http://www.zawya.com/cm/officers.cfm/cid1002333
Istithmar of the UAE closes on the $705 million acquisition of 230 Park Avenue in Manhattan in New York City………..
Istithmar’s Executive Chairman SULTAN AHMED BIN SULAYEM commented, “We believe 230 Park Avenue is an irreplaceable prime property in the world’s largest real estate market. This particular investment represents the perfect fit for us as we continue to add outstanding assets to our expanding international real estate portfolio.†……..
http://users.javanet.com/u/s/usr…untries/ uae.htm
February 19th, 2006 at 7:30 pmSue, It is very hard to read what you post. Could you slow down a little, lay off so many caps and use bold to high light your points of extreme importance? It would help get your message across better.
Also, I don’t believe sheep would be the proper term for the folks here at Think Progress. Here is how to identify sheeple:
February 19th, 2006 at 7:30 pmS.H.,
The eldest of six siblings, Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut and grew up in Midland and Houston, Texas. He has four living siblings: Jeb, Neil, Marvin, and Dorothy. In 1953, a sister, Robin, died at age three of leukemia.
That doesn’t mean that this Robert C. Bush Jr. isn’t a cousin.
More searching.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:34 pmFantastic graphic, Spudge_Boy! Keep ‘em coming! ;-)
February 19th, 2006 at 7:36 pmWanna see something funny?
George W. Bush and John Kerry are related:
http://msn.ancestry.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm
Funny stuff.
John Kerry’s Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grand Parents are the same as George W. Bush’s Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grand Parents.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:39 pm“I would hope that our friends in Abu Dhabi would not be offended by the fact that in our democracy, we debate these things,” Rice said in the interview with the Arab journalists.
Debate? What debate was that? No one told the people of a Democratic Society this was being planned.
There is nothing Democratic in the way they decided who should get this work.
This is much like Halliburton No Bid B.S.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:41 pmAnd according to CBS News, George W. Bush and John Kerry are both cousins of Hough Hefner.
CBS News
March 4, 2004
Bush, Kerry & Hefner: Odd Cousins
February 19th, 2006 at 7:42 pmDing ding ding ding ding ding!
Right on the nose.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:43 pmTalk about bron with a silver spoon in your mouth. George W. Bush is very much descended from old money. Blue bloods.
About.com
Ancestry of George Walker Bush – Bush Family Tree
February 19th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Yeah, actually I had heard that during the 2004 election. With all these online family tree sites, one can go and attempt to connect any two people, usually with some success. No Kevin Bacon link required. ;-)
February 19th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI wonder if Skeletor – er – Chertoff has our ports under better control than New Orleans’ salvation.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:01 pm#178 Short answer: No. Longer answer:
February 19th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
Sue,
February 19th, 2006 at 8:27 pmWe are in agreement with you –but don’t yell like that. It’s hard to read and makes me want to skip over your post.
To begin with, were the US to block the bid they would be in violation of WTO rules. This is because P&O is a UK company. If the sale is blocked the board of P&O can sue the US government.
As it is, many of the ‘lines’ handle a good deal of the port work. Many of them are foreign.
Katy,
I read TP about 5 times a day. I only post when I feel like it. I’d say that’s every couple of days. I only post more than once if I am particularly interested in a topic.
Spudgeboy:
You can’t ‘outsource’ jobs at a port like you can for customer service reps for Chase Bank (which I hate – I can never understand the woman on the other end in India). The longshoremen and the white collar workers aren’t losing their jobs.
DPW has a majority western board were you to read my posts on this yesterday? I think it was yesterday:)
Google them.
Instead of UAE – SAY DUBAI. It’s ONE of SEVERAL EMIRATES. Together they make up the UAE. I believe the one of the hijackers was from Sharaj.
As for UAE terrorist financing, you can do it yourself at home. The problem was that Dubai didn’t have a good financial regulator. They do now – they hired someone who used to manage the FSA – UK’s version of the SEC.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:30 pmJames,
I believe Bill Maher said it best.
“No Arab owned company should be doing any security in America right now, sorry.”
February 19th, 2006 at 8:38 pm[...] from Think Progress Today on CNN’s Late Edition, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff refused to explain why the administration has turned over control of operations at six of the nation’s largest ports to a company owned by the United Arab Emirates, a country with dubious ties to international terrorism: [...]
February 19th, 2006 at 8:52 pm# 165
“the same group took a plane out of the sky with Paul Wellstone“
Man, you like living dangerously thot’s n TN .
That took gnads.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:15 pmHey Spudge, thanks for the nod.
Guess I offended everyone else.
I was a little too graphic albeit non-profane.
I’m not usually like that. Just one of those days, know what I mean?
February 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pmHey Unblievable, thats why I’m still single. :D
February 19th, 2006 at 9:17 pmbelieve Bill Maher said it best.
“No Arab owned company should be doing any security in America right now, sorry.â€
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 19, 2006 @ 8:38 pm
I would take it one farther and say no Arab State Owned company should be doing ANY business that is even in an area where security is a concern.
For instance, I would not let an Arab owned firm have a janitorial contract at the Empire state building, or a food services contract at the Airport.
Of course, I would also ban CLOSE FRIENDS of Arab states that are unfriendly to the US from holding public office.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:21 pmStart at the top, work my way down.
Then I would have closed our borders, particularly to the south.
I would tell Mexico to hang tight for about 8 or 9 years on the immigration thingy.
Who knows, maybe if they didn’t have a revolving door into the US they might start making their country a nice place to live.
Know what I mean?
February 19th, 2006 at 9:24 pmI know, I know, I sound like a conservative.
But the way I figure, denying entrance into our country is a lot better than blowing the crap out of any country we think may have people in it who want to kill us.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:26 pmI would have to agree WORFEUS.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:29 pm#165- A couple of other plane crashes of note. First one, the former business partner of Mr. George W. Bush, A Mr.Salem Bin Laden, brother of Osama, in a small plane,in Texas, no less. Then we have A Senator who’s name I just cannot remember (dang it!) but he was killed in a plane crash just before the election, he was running against former AG, John Ashcroft. Ashcroft went on to LOSE the election anyway, and the late Senators’ wife served in his stead. It is worth noting that Karl Rove was Ashcroft’s campaign manager, and was paid $750,000 for the job. Rumor has it that Karl is responsible for Ashcroft getting the AG post, as a “consolation” prize.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:38 pm#181 by James
If the U.S. government says it is a national security concern, I believe it can hold up such a corporate acquisition and demand certain conditions be met before it continues. Again, this is done regularly by both the U.S. and Europe when it comes to antitrust concerns. Alternatively, if the Bush administration were serious about the ‘war on terror,’ they would use diplomatic and possibly punitive measures to ‘persuade’ the British government, the UAE, and whatever other parties necessary to straighten this out, take the port management piece of the deal off the table, and assure that American ports are managed by American parties or strong allies (U.K).
February 19th, 2006 at 10:17 pm#191 by Cyra Brown
I still miss Paul Wellstone–he was my Senator. :-( You are thinking of Mel Carnahan:
February 19th, 2006 at 10:23 pm
Interesting comments everyone, and I could care less that Bush lovers do NOT like me or my comments on here! AS for all those who dislike Bush Regime and its policies > we are patriots in opposing everything Bush and the GOP fools do!!!
February 19th, 2006 at 10:31 pmWhen are the “news reporters/investigators” going to call them on this? How about a straight forward challenge to the “Sorry, its classified…” statement with a “Sorry, we don’t accept that response, these are our ports, who owns them is not classifiable!” Repeat the question until a real answer is given, then boot them off the show if they refuse to answer or continue to use the “classified” lie. Stop giving airtime to liars and start reporting the truth.
Oh yeah, the airwaves are “owned” by those who benefit from Bushco policies. The truth would reduce their bottom line. Time to remove citizen status from corporations. ‘Citizen’ should be defined as the union between one brain and one breathing body (functional extremities not required).
February 19th, 2006 at 10:31 pmthis is a little off but how ironic, another mine blew, 65 trapped in bushes motherland mexico. how many mines now under bushes watch? snap, crackle, pop!
February 19th, 2006 at 10:34 pmChertoff was a total joke on the news shows today.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:23 pmBush needs another attack in order to sustain himself in power — so if he lets the under-qualified run the departments, permits total disarray, allows the sale of ports to Dubai of the UAE (what weak excuses Chertoff gave in defense of the insanity),and (shock, shock!)we do get attacked, what will he say?
First he will say they are gathering facts, there need not be an investigation, then under pressure someone will hold a hearing, then an underling or two will reassigned, and Bush will claim we all need to stand behind him as he dons his holster and six shooters in protecting us and capturing the enemy, dead or alive.
The bottom line, however, will be that he has accomplished his goal. He will have set everything in place, it will be only a matter of allowing it to happen.
Hmmm, not unlike 9/11.
#184- THANK YOU!! That was driving me nuts!! Senator Wellstone was a great man, and his legacy lives on. Sorry you were stuck with Coleman, talk about adding insult to injury!!
February 20th, 2006 at 12:05 am‘Citizen’ should be defined as the union between one brain and one breathing body (functional extremities not required). Diane I am glad you didn’t use the word functional before the word brain or you would have removed citizenship from some trolls and certain members of the current Administration who shall remain nameless.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:23 amHmm…very odd. Somehow my post references are getting altered? I could swear they were correct when I made them. Here’s a correction key:
* Post 131 refers to #135; should be #129
* Post 158 refers to #138; should be #132
* Post 170 refers to #178; should be #169
* Post 183 refers to #181; should be #172
* Post 184 refers to #191; should be #182
WEIRD.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:13 amCZ-1 >>> the posts from “wall ace” were deleted by thinkprogress because he is a paid GOP operative that tries to twist facts on the threads to confuse everbody!
February 20th, 2006 at 1:22 amAh, I can see clearly now, the rain is gone. ;-) Thanks for the tip!
February 20th, 2006 at 1:32 amWhere in HELL is all my posts at? This pisses me off! THEY WERE INVOLVED IN 9-11 PEOPLE! PERIOD! AND NEED TO BE ARRESTED ASAP!
February 20th, 2006 at 7:07 amWhat is TP afraid of? Where are ALL my posts at? This pisses me off! People need to know that he/they and others are in bed with the REAL terrorists! And have them arrested and NOW
February 20th, 2006 at 7:08 amHey Unblievable, thats why I’m still single. :D
Comment by WORFEUS — February 19, 2006 @ 9:17 pm
Worfeus,
I wasn’t attacking either of you. I just think that sometimes the testosterone gets in the way of what both of you have been saying. (Makes me glad I’m a woman at those moments :). And I think it’s really valid. I don’t care which of you brought it up first. It’s been brought up, so now, let’s talk about it.
I’m only hoping we can realize that when it comes down to it, the people running this country do not care if we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents. So why should we?
Enjoy your day.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:19 amIt’s all business as usual. There is no terrorist threat. Never was and never will be. On the surface there seems to be chaos, wars, rumors of wars, people killing people, hating people…what’s new? The business of politics, of those “in the know” always control the minds and bodies of the masses to their advantage. If the governing body can instill fear, deep seated fear in the masses, they can manipulate the system in any direction they want. “This too shall pass.” Not likely! Another “leader” with a different philosophy will rise to control the masses…always has and always will. Until each and every conscious individual goes to the deepest depths of their own consciousness and finds it’s relationship with the creative force behind “all that is,” fear, greed and loathing will control humanities march.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:14 amBurma Shave!
Fox,
Do I know you?
February 20th, 2006 at 9:39 am#138 by I-right-I
Oh, and you still haven’t explained why this bothers you so much since everybody knows that Islam is the Religion of Peace and that BUSH MASTERMINDED 9-11, NOT THE ISLAMISTS. So what’s the f’ing problem here. The Muslims don’t mean us any harm, right?
1. YOU haven’t explained why this bothers YOU so much.
Comment by CZ-1
It bothers me because I know that Islam is the religion of throat slitting barbarous maniacs and that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim when push comes to shove or when they gain a majority. Therefore we can guarantee that the company running the ports and in charge of security will fail on purpose.
2. YOU haven’t explained why this DOESN’T bother BUSH so much. It’s his ‘War on Terror.’ Why do his actions appear to show that he’s NOT fighting a war? This is one of many actions that show Bush is not fighting any war on terror and is not preparing the country for another attack.
Bush is no different than Clinton and no different than Gore or Kerry would have been. They have politicized and compromised our security in the name of profits, political correctness, wrong-headed diplomacy and in this case placating global Islam. In their defense (Republicans and Democrats) I’d only point out that this is a very difficult situation and the line we walk is razor sharp. If we make a mistake we are going to lose hundreds of thousands of people, possibly a million or more and in turn will be forced to cremate 10’s of millions of Muslims. Does anyone doubt the USA will go nuclear on major Arab cities if we are hit with a nuclear device? But to answer your question; I have no idea how these idiots can take the chance.
3. If you agree that this is problem (allowing a corporate sale that gives management of major American ports to an Arab country with ties to terrorism), then why are you harassing like-minded folks here? Why aren’t YOU complaining about Bush??
I’ve done my share of Bush bashing on here but the funny thing is what concerns me (Immigration, Supreme Court & Private Property theft by government, sales of high tech equipment with military uses to Russian and Red China, Muslim appeasement at the highest levels of Federal and State government, inadequate military response to the Iranian/Ba’thist threat in the Sunni Triangle), and the list goes on; these things are of no consequence to most here or most in government.
So, that’s why I harass them. But what the hey I harass everyone. Just ax anyone and they’ll tell you I’m the number one pick of guys they’d like to see get the boot from Think Communist.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:12 amWhere in HELL is all my posts at? This pisses me off! THEY WERE INVOLVED IN 9-11 PEOPLE! PERIOD! AND NEED TO BE ARRESTED ASAP!
Comment by Sue
Funny stuff.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:15 amsue – read “Terms of Use” … your posts were probably deleted because they were obnoxious and beligerent and filled with profanity, not to mention just plain hard on the eyes – ALL unnecessary when trying to get a message out…just my guess…
February 20th, 2006 at 10:16 amsue – read “Terms of Use†… your posts were probably deleted because they were obnoxious and beligerent and filled with profanity, not to mention just plain hard on the eyes – ALL unnecessary when trying to get a message out…just my guess…
Comment by katy
Nope, if that were true Spudge and Worf and a few others would be complaining too. I think it’s the “Bush Did 9-11″ thing. Evidently there is a limit to the degree of wingnuttiness Judd will take. Not only that but she posted the exact same rant about ten times. It could be a bandwidth issue and the waste thereof.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:33 amI-Right-I, have you heard my most recent hit that’s being distributed via your pal (and mine!) George Bush? He likes to do that when there’s poll numbers to worry about.
You can find more info about me here:
February 20th, 2006 at 11:13 amhttp://tinyurl.com/qy4r6
I-Right-I, have you heard my most recent hit that’s being distributed via your pal (and mine!) George Bush? He likes to do that when there’s poll numbers to worry about.
Comment by Fatty bin Laden
A boy named Sue.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:18 amHOW MUCH BLOODY LONGER IS THIS WAR ON TERROR GOING ON THERS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT..
February 20th, 2006 at 11:21 amrelease Gauntamamo inmates
get out of Iraq
STAY AT HOME AND LEAVE THE WORLD TO GET ON WITHOUT YOU ARSEHOLES
#199 by I-right-I
1. YOU haven’t explained why this bothers YOU so much.
Comment by CZ-1
[I-R-I:] It bothers me because I know that Islam is the religion of throat slitting barbarous maniacs and that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim when push comes to shove or when they gain a majority. Therefore we can guarantee that the company running the ports and in charge of security will fail on purpose.
CZ-1: I would say that there are some moderate Muslims, but they do not influence the majority as they should. From the evidence we have, it does appear that Islam promotes bad, violent behavior. Does this mean it is impossible for us to have trustworthy Islamic allies? Perhaps it does.
[CZ-1:] 2. YOU haven’t explained why this DOESN’T bother BUSH so much. It’s his ‘War on Terror.’ Why do his actions appear to show that he’s NOT fighting a war? This is one of many actions that show Bush is not fighting any war on terror and is not preparing the country for another attack.
[I-R-I:] Bush is no different than Clinton and no different than Gore or Kerry would have been. They have politicized and compromised our security in the name of profits, political correctness, wrong-headed diplomacy and in this case placating global Islam. In their defense (Republicans and Democrats) I’d only point out that this is a very difficult situation and the line we walk is razor sharp. If we make a mistake we are going to lose hundreds of thousands of people, possibly a million or more and in turn will be forced to cremate 10’s of millions of Muslims. Does anyone doubt the USA will go nuclear on major Arab cities if we are hit with a nuclear device? But to answer your question; I have no idea how these idiots can take the chance.
CZ-1: I would not say that Bush is no different from Clinton or Gore or Kerry in all respects. They are similar in some respects, yes. But Clinton’s top security priority was terrorism and Osama bin Laden. Bush and his people brushed that aside when they came into office, and 9/11/2001 happened on their watch after they had been warned multiple times to pay more attention. Afterwards, when we should have put Apollo-style priority on getting off our dependence on oil from foreign sources, Bush did nothing to address the demand side and nothing of importance to address the supply replacement side. Clinton didn’t do much, but there was the ‘Supercar’ program that yielded production-ready diesel/electric hybrids by all of the Big Three in 2000. Bush killed the program. I’m certain Gore would have tried to do more on both the demand and supply sides. TO THIS DAY Bush has done NOTHING of importance on this national security issue.
Go nuclear on major Arab cities? NOT A CHANCE that I would ever be in favor of that, and by God I hope my political representatives feel the same way. That is not self defense. That is evil. No matter what the terrorists do to us.
[CZ-1:] 3. If you agree that this is problem (allowing a corporate sale that gives management of major American ports to an Arab country with ties to terrorism), then why are you harassing like-minded folks here? Why aren’t YOU complaining about Bush??
[I-R-I:] I’ve done my share of Bush bashing on here but the funny thing is what concerns me (Immigration, Supreme Court & Private Property theft by government, sales of high tech equipment with military uses to Russian and Red China, Muslim appeasement at the highest levels of Federal and State government, inadequate military response to the Iranian/Ba’thist threat in the Sunni Triangle), and the list goes on; these things are of no consequence to most here or most in government.
So, that’s why I harass them. But what the hey I harass everyone. Just ax anyone and they’ll tell you I’m the number one pick of guys they’d like to see get the boot from Think Communist.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 10:12 am
CZ-1: I think much or maybe all of what you pointed out have been addressed by ThinkProgress or AMERICAblog or Eschaton. If not, I agree that they should be addressed, although maybe not phrased in quite the same way. Iran especially should be addressed, as Bush has done a terrible job there compounded by the invasion/occupation of Iraq which plays right into the hands of the Iranians and al Qaeda, and further is destroying any political or military credibility the U.S. ever had. I noticed that you left out North Korea, another abysmal Bush failure that continues to this day.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:15 pmI-Right-I is a busy beaver fascist today > lol. Judd must like to laugh a lot reading his silly posts on Gay bashing and Communism > lol.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#163
Thats why my sociology professor back in college said there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. I was also informed that all but 2 of past US presidents have the same ancestory, going back to Charlamaigne of France. And we think our system is different than Royalty.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:54 pmHOW MUCH BLOODY LONGER IS THIS WAR ON TERROR GOING ON THERS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT..
release Gauntamamo inmates
get out of Iraq
STAY AT HOME AND LEAVE THE WORLD TO GET ON WITHOUT YOU ARSEHOLES
Comment by smeg
Screw you raghead, move back to your own hemisphere where you belong.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pmI-Right-I is a busy beaver fascist today > lol. Judd must like to laugh a lot reading his silly posts on Gay bashing and Communism > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
There’s nothing silly about communist homosexuals. UR1
February 20th, 2006 at 2:10 pmGo nuclear on major Arab cities? NOT A CHANCE that I would ever be in favor of that, and by God I hope my political representatives feel the same way. That is not self defense. That is evil. No matter what the terrorists do to us.
Comment by CZ-1
It would be evil not to respond in kind. It would be evil not to as it would guarantee another 100,000 American deaths. You’ve got to use your head instead of your heart. There is no place for sloppy sentimentality in this world, there never was and never will be. As a Darwinist you should know that better than I. Kill or be killed, survival of the fittest hit them first and hit them harder. In fact a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran would be just what the doctor ordered in the Middle East. In Islam there is no quarter given to the coward and might makes right.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:04 pmI-R-I: It would be evil not to respond in kind. It would be evil not to as it would guarantee another 100,000 American deaths.
CZ-1: 1. Jesus did not preach “responding in kind.” He preached turning the other cheek. As a Christian you should know that better than I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek 2. It is not responding in kind. The millions of Arabs in those “major Arab cities” did not pull the trigger. Maybe some their leaders did not do nearly enough to stop the terrorism. Maybe they even incited the terrorism. That doesn’t mean the whole city is guilty. Killing an entire city because of the actions of some extremists is terrorism.
I-R-I: You’ve got to use your head instead of your heart. There is no place for sloppy sentimentality in this world, there never was and never will be. As a Darwinist you should know that better than I. Kill or be killed, survival of the fittest hit them first and hit them harder. In fact a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran would be just what the doctor ordered in the Middle East. In Islam there is no quarter given to the coward and might makes right.
CZ-1: It’s not “sloppy sentimentality.” I would rather die than commit mass murder. Committing mass murder is not saving myself. I would have no right to life after that. You have no ground to stand on if you hate the terrorists for their terror, but then you turn around and commit terror that is the same or even higher. You say, “In Islam there is no quarter given to the coward and might makes right.” So you want to be just like that which you abhor? That is a definition of hypocritical.
Some of the staunchest “Darwinists” feel strongly that they should take the anti-evolution type actions of helping the weak, the unfit. That’s what sets man above the rest of the natural world. Are you a man or a monkey?
(”As a Darwinist…” How would you know if I’m a Darwinist? You don’t know.)
February 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI am surprised that nobody here has mentioned the most obvious connections — Treasury Secretary John Snow, and brand-spankin’-newbie-crony David Sanborn. Snow was formerly CEO of CSX. Sanborn was an executive with CSX/Sea-Land division. Then Sanborn left to become a director with Dubai Ports and brokered a deal for Dubai Ports to purchase the South American and Asia port operations from CSX. Now – just two weeks ago – Sanborn is introduced as the new Assistant Secretary of Transportation – Marine Administration. Then the quasi-secret “Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States” (CFIUS), which is chaired by John Snow, makes this ruling. Hullo – McFLY!
February 20th, 2006 at 5:39 pm(â€As a Darwinist…†How would you know if I’m a Darwinist? You don’t know.)
Comment by CZ-1 — February 20, 2006 @ 5:03 pm
CZ-1, as liberals we are each and every one Darwinists, hippies, drug-users, hedonists, illegitimately conceived offspring, high school drop-outs, sexual deviant, pornographers, lunatics, moonbats (whatever that is), Anti-Americans, etc…
February 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pm[...] (via thinkprogress.org) Today on CNN’s Late Edition, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff refused to explain why the administration has turned over control of operations at six of the nation’s largest ports to a company owned by the United Arab Emirates, a country with dubious ties to international terrorism: [...]
February 20th, 2006 at 5:58 pmThen I would have closed our borders, particularly to the south.
I would tell Mexico to hang tight for about 8 or 9 years on the immigration thingy.
Who knows, maybe if they didn’t have a revolving door into the US they might start making their country a nice place to live.
Know what I mean?
Comment by WORFEUS — February 19, 2006 @ 9:24 pm
I think a lot of our problems are due to over population here and around teh globe. After all, we have a limited number of resources that people must compete over. The population in this country has doubled since I was a kid and it’s very clear to see how much ruder people have become.
When I was in San Francisco, I found myself resenting a Chinese woman I worked with for being willing to tolerate anything for little pay. My argument was that she was lowering the bar for everyone by allowing Corporate bigshots to treat her like a piece of furniture for peanuts. That her tolerance would make it tougher for those of us who were here trying to make an honest living at a job where we weren’t treated appallingly.
And then I remembered that in her country, where the population was out of control, people learned to tolerate horrific conditions just to have a job at all. That they’d learned to be competitive by being subservient.
So on the local news today, my mother has to tell me, there’s a 62 year old woman (my mother’s age) who just gave birth to her 12th child. And I am once again certain that no one will ever acknowledge our real problem – too many people – until it’s too late. Which it may already be.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:23 pmHaving a Arab in charge of port security is a crazy idea… maybe Arab’s should be put in charge of air port security? In my mind the folks who approved this should be charged with performing a treson act against the U.S.A.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pm#214 by unbelievable
Yeah, but never admit it! ;-)
February 20th, 2006 at 6:39 pmSorry about responding to my own post (disagreeing in fact!) but…
… 2. It is not responding in kind. … Killing an entire city because of the actions of some extremists is terrorism.
It IS responding in kind — terrorism for terrorism. That’s the problem.
There, I showed that CZ-1 guy!
February 20th, 2006 at 6:43 pmYeah, but never admit it! ;-)
Comment by CZ-1 — February 20, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
With the trolls around, we never have to – they do it for us. And free of charge, surprisingly enough :)
February 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pm#214- Ms. Unbelievable, how very “Breakfast Club” of you !! (I could not help myself!) Just being a smarty-pants, which is always better than being a dummy-pants! ;)
February 20th, 2006 at 6:48 pmJust being a smarty-pants, which is always better than being a dummy-pants! ;)
Comment by Cyra Brown — February 20, 2006 @ 6:48 pm
That it is! :)
February 20th, 2006 at 6:51 pm#221 So prim and proper of you. I always say it’s better to be a smart ass than a dumb ass. It just has more punch with the right words.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:54 pmGOP Governors Question Port Turnover
AP – 14 minutes ago
WASHINGTON –
Two Republican governors on Monday questioned a Bush administration decision allowing an Arab-owned company to operate six major U. S. ports, saying they may try to cancel lease arrangements at ports in their states.
New York Gov. George Pataki and Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich voiced doubts about the acquisition of a British company that has been running the U.S. ports by Dubai Ports World, a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:26 pm#223- I have used both versions of the phrase. In this instance, I was aiming for more of a “gentle nudge” sort of thing. Amusing, not “punchy”. It’s all about presentation, dont’cha know.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:33 pmHey, did ANYONE notice 224?
See, speaking out can make a difference.
We may win this one folks!!!
February 20th, 2006 at 7:37 pmIt looks like Erlich and Pataki actually want to get re-elected.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:37 pmThank God.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:38 pm#226- I did, and thanks for the update!
February 20th, 2006 at 7:39 pmNew York Gov. George Pataki and Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich voiced doubts about the acquisition of a British company that has been running the U.S. ports by Dubai Ports World, a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates.
Comment by WORFEUS — February 20, 2006 @ 7:26 pm
So that’s all we needed? Their own asses to be put on the line… Hmmm… Well, hey, whatever it takes to get these people to start questioning King George and Dick-tator Cheney. After all, Tex-ass is a comfortable distance away from New York harbor, should it blow up… But Pataki, well, he would be in the line of fire, and clearly that is what seems to motivate these people… self-preservation
February 20th, 2006 at 7:48 pm-So, the money launderers of the 9-11 attacks are taking over our ports. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!! What is Bushco going to do for an encore, sell Osama those nukes so he won’t buy them elsewhere? Remember what NYC and our other port cities goodbye used to look like, cause you can kiss them goodbye.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:07 pmSo on the local news today, my mother has to tell me, there’s a 62 year old woman (my mother’s age) who just gave birth to her 12th child. And I am once again certain that no one will ever acknowledge our real problem – too many people – until it’s too late. Which it may already be.
Comment by unbelievable
Nonsense. It’s just the wrong kind of people having too many kids. For example Big Papa has nearly 30 and most of them are on welfare or costing the state $100k/year to keep them locked up and off the streets, where they cost society $250k per year in property and violent crime. But, no matter, these days of wars and rumors of wars a nation needs all the cannon fodder it can get. “Jose can you see, by the dawns early light…”
February 20th, 2006 at 8:28 pm(â€As a Darwinist…†How would you know if I’m a Darwinist? You don’t know.)
Comment by CZ-1
All the ratbastardcommiemofos on this board are Darwinists. It’s a no-brainer babe.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:30 pmCZ-1, as liberals we are each and every one Darwinists, hippies, drug-users, hedonists, illegitimately conceived offspring, high school drop-outs, sexual deviant, pornographers, lunatics, moonbats (whatever that is), Anti-Americans, etc…
Comment by unbelievable
What she said.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:31 pmI-R-I, where’s your response to #212??
Nothing wrong with being a “Darwinist,” if I am one. From all the available evidence, they are correct. And knowledge is power.
#232 I-R-I, you sound like you believe in eugenics. Do tell us.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:48 pmCZ-1: I think much or maybe all of what you pointed out have been addressed by ThinkProgress or AMERICAblog or Eschaton. If not, I agree that they should be addressed, although maybe not phrased in quite the same way. Iran especially should be addressed, as Bush has done a terrible job there compounded by the invasion/occupation of Iraq which plays right into the hands of the Iranians and al Qaeda, and further is destroying any political or military credibility the U.S. ever had. I noticed that you left out North Korea, another abysmal Bush failure that continues to this day.
Comment by CZ-1
You don’t seem to have a grasp of the history of N. Korea…Bill Clinton gave them the nuke plant and allowed them to get out of control, or Iran, Jimmah “Peanut” Carter gave the Islamists the country then showed his yellow streak when they grabbed our embassy. Democrats can’t be trusted to play hard ball and senior “Progressives” like Jimmy Carter have never met a bloodthirsty totalitarian dictator he didn’t like.
During the early Clinton years, hard-liners and so-called conservative hawks advocated a pre-emptive strike to halt North Korea’s nuclear weapons development before it could field an atomic bomb. Instead of taking the hard line, President Clinton elected to rely on former President Jimmy Carter and decided to appease the Marxist-Stalinist dictatorship.
Carter met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang and returned to America waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our time. Kim, according to Carter, had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development.
The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor. However, the agreement was flawed and lacked even the most informal means of verification.
In return, Kim elected to starve his people while using the American aid to build uranium bombs. The lowest estimate is that Kim starved to death over 1 million of his own people, even with the U.S. aid program.
So you see, it ain’t George and let’s not forget that Bill Clinton had the chance at Ossama.
George Bush is the only President to date that’s had the cajones to step all over the Islamists and rub their nose in the same dog do Jimmy Carter smeared on us. That’s not to say I agree with the way he’s prosecuted the war in Iraq but left up to the appeasers every totalitarian in the world would think we are a paper tiger and that’s dangerous, more dangerous than what you think is going on.
What we should be doing is kicking ass and taking names. You’d like to use the Jimm Carter method which will get a bunch of Americans killed and as I’ve already noted, millions of Arabs when we retaliate. And you can be absolutely dead on sure that we will retaliate in kind.
Our military success in the Middle East, the way it was accomplished has left no doubt to anyone in the world that the US is unbeatable on the battlefield. That’s why Leftist organizations like Think Communist are trying so hard to beat us on the home front.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:49 pmNot very Christian of you, I-R-I. Does your pastor know what comes out of your mouth?
February 20th, 2006 at 8:50 pm#232 I-R-I, you sound like you believe in eugenics. Do tell us.
Comment by CZ-1
You misapprehend my rhetorical methods. It is disgusting but it is very, very Progressive. It was also the genesis of Planned Parenthood. I bet you didn’t know that?
February 20th, 2006 at 8:51 pmSingapore wouldnt bid as high as the UAE.
USA wouldnt bid as high as Singapore.
Hey, why eat a low bid from the UAE?
Osama Bin Laden would bid higher – and the Coast Guard
February 20th, 2006 at 8:56 pmwouldnt let him do anything wrong.
Not very Christian of you, I-R-I. Does your pastor know what comes out of your mouth?
Comment by CZ-1
My Pastor, Brother Freddy carries the .38 auto I gave him from my Father’s estate when he makes his rounds to the flock and to do some of his charitable work. He carries a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. That’s the kind of man that calls a spade a spade and ratbastardcommiemofo isn’t going to bother him a bit, not that he’s ever heard me use it.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:56 pmBetween Presidents Carter and Clinton,
were Presidents Reagan and Bush –
who GAVE,
anthrax,
vx nerve gas,
mustard gas,
plague,
botulinum,
sarin gas,
cluster bombs,
helicopters,
dual use nuclear components,
west nile virus,
long range missiles,
bullets,
freshly printed bricks of money,
satellite pictures,
handjobs from Donald Rumsfeld,
TO: Saddam Hussein.
Said it was necessary.
Said the Vietnam war was necessary.
Said trust us.
Said we know what we are doing.
Said you gotta go along or you arent patriotic.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:05 pmI-R-I, where’s your response to #212??
Comment by CZ-1
Maybe tomorrow. I’ve got a dinner and I see I’m late, as usual.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:08 pmSaid you gotta go along or you arent patriotic.
Comment by OH
Nonsense. You don’t have to go along. You can always go to that nice little place we’ve fixed up for you in W. Texas.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:10 pmI-R-I, as usual you oversimplify and present false choices. And your brief summary of Iran and Jimmy Carter doesn’t even make sense. First you say, Jimmah “Peanut†Carter gave the Islamists the country then showed his yellow streak when they grabbed our embassy. Then you say, senior “Progressives†like Jimmy Carter have never met a bloodthirsty totalitarian dictator he didn’t like. Neither is true. Jimmy Carter DID make the mistake of carrying on the policies of Nixon and Ford that supported the Shah of Iran. This infuriated the Iranian public who thought that Carter would come through for them because of his stand on human rights. We know the rest of the story. Carter DID make the mistake of approving a military rescue mission that was too risky. He did not show a yellow streak.
North Korea: Yes, the Clinton deal ultimately wasn’t successful. Now, what has George Bush done in the five years that he’s been in office? Rattle his saber while watching North Korea build nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld have demonstrated clearly in Iraq that the U.S. cannot fight and win a war. Our Army is disintegrating, and what’s Bush’s response? –downsize the Army to level it’s currently at because they can’t meet their recruitment goals. Our military equipment and vehicles are being used up at a rapid rate. So now the world knows we are a paper tiger and that’s dangerous, more dangerous than what you think is going on.
Osama coaxed the U.S. onto his battlefield and has shown that we are as beatable as the old Soviet Union. In fact, Osama has shown that our leaders are willing to virtually become the Soviet Union in a vain attempt to cling to power for power’s (and money’s) sake. Yeah, Bush had the cajones
February 20th, 2006 at 9:14 pmto fight an unjust, unnecessary war in Iraq, and now Osama has Bush’s cajones in a vise. Unfortunately, our soldiers are along for the ride.
I-R-I, by the way, Donald Rumsfeld was on the board of directors of the company that sold the light water reactors to North Korea in 2000. RUMSFELD NEVER PROTESTED THE SALE.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html
And as “OH” pointed out, Rumsfeld shook Saddam’s hand at a time when it was known that Iraq used chemical weapons DAILY against the Kurds. He gave Saddam intelligence, military hardware, and supplies that could be used for chemical/biological weapons. In fact, Reagan/Rumsfeld CONSIDERED HELPING SADDAM WITH HIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
When are you going to understand? It’s all about money and power. It’s not about patriotism and what’s right. That’s just to fool the public into letting them get away with greed and murder.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pmMaybe tomorrow. I’ve got a dinner and I see I’m late, as usual.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
New blow up doll? Or another sheep? Enjoy yourself. You need it.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:28 pmOur military success in the Middle East, the way it was accomplished has left no doubt to anyone in the world that the US is unbeatable on the battlefield. That’s why Leftist organizations like Think Communist are trying so hard to beat us on the home front.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
You think we’re winning?
Nonsense.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:33 pm#241 by OH
Nice post. Good presentation. I’d give it a 9.5 not a 10.0 because you didn’t list a source. ;-)
February 20th, 2006 at 9:34 pm#238 You misapprehend my rhetorical methods. It is disgusting but it is very, very Progressive. It was also the genesis of Planned Parenthood. I bet you didn’t know that?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Your use of pronouns in this paragraph makes it just about impossible to understand what you are saying. “It” is disgusting? What is? “It” was also the genesis? What was?
February 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmYour use of pronouns in this paragraph makes it just about impossible to understand what you are saying.
Comment by CZ-1 — February 20, 2006 @ 9:39 pm
That’s his charm…
February 20th, 2006 at 9:52 pmNew blow up doll? Or another sheep? Enjoy yourself. You need it.
Comment by unbelievable
My virgin ears. ;-)
February 20th, 2006 at 10:00 pmMy virgin ears. ;-)
Comment by CZ-1 — February 20, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
Not if you hang around in here for long :)
February 20th, 2006 at 10:02 pmI-Right-I could be Jeff Gannon, also known as James Guckert, the male escort who calls other people gay, but not himself > lol.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:09 pmBut, no matter, these days of wars and rumors of wars a nation needs all the cannon fodder it can get. “Jose can you see, by the dawns early light…â€
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 8:28 pm
How old are your kids??? That is what you meant right?
February 20th, 2006 at 10:19 pm#238 You misapprehend my rhetorical methods. It is disgusting but it is very, very Progressive. It was also the genesis of Planned Parenthood. I bet you didn’t know that?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Doing a little Googling, it’s easy to find that this is a bunch of I-R-I crap. Your credibility is very low, although not quite as low as Bush’s. Have you ever heard of Snopes.com? It’s a good place to check out nonsense that is spread around the Internet. A little time Googling will also work. Try it sometime.
Eugenics theories may have considered progressive in their day (1920s and 30s), but that day passed a long time ago. Margaret Sanger, the founder of the Birth Control Federation of America which became Planned Parenthood,
and note:
and:
and check out on the web page:
Published Statements that Distort or Misquote Margaret Sanger
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/birthcontrol/bio-margaret-sanger.xml
I’m sure you will complain about the source, but it seems reasonable and effectively refutes the nonsense that you’re trying to spread.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:22 pm#240 My Pastor, Brother Freddy carries the .38 auto I gave him from my Father’s estate when he makes his rounds to the flock and to do some of his charitable work. He carries a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. That’s the kind of man that calls a spade a spade and ratbastardcommiemofo isn’t going to bother him a bit, not that he’s ever heard me use it.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Not sure what to make of this. Are you from the “hood?” Do you use the computer at the library to get online? Need a job? Maybe we can help.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:30 pmOT- I own an inflatable sheep. Got it at Spencer’s, about 10 years ago. It’s still in the box. Someday I know it will come in handy.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:38 pmWas it something I said ?
February 21st, 2006 at 12:58 amAll you need to know about the port situation…
Carter backs Bush’s stand on seaport-operations dealFormer President Jimmy Carter downplayed criticism of White House support of an Arab-owned
Former President Jimmy Carter downplayed criticism of White House support of an Arab-owned company’s purchase of a major seaport-operations firm
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13921401.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation
Jimmy Carter; Appeaser & Fool, made Nixon look good.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:20 amNot sure what to make of this. Are you from the “hood?†Do you use the computer at the library to get online? Need a job? Maybe we can help.
Comment by CZ-1
I’m sure you don’t know what to make of “this”. Why should you? Obviously you’ve been brought up in some kind of Utopian bubble.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:23 am#259 I-R-I: All you need to know about the port situation…
It’s not all we need to know, but it is curious taken out of context. I’d like to know more about Carter’s opinion.
…made Nixon look good.
That’s pretty much not possible. Nixon didn’t look good on TV, and he looks terrible in the history books.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:47 am#260 If a middle class family in the American suburbs is Utopia, then I guess we need look no further. Somehow I doubt that. If a pastor has to carry a gun in one hand and the Bible in the other, then I’d guess there’s a problem. I’m sure of it.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:52 amDoing a little Googling, it’s easy to find that this is a bunch of I-R-I crap. Your credibility is very low,
Comment by CZ-1
My credibility among the incredibly ignorant whining losers on this site can hardly be considered an issue for me. Since you did your google I can only assume you left out anything you found that was critical of that wretched woman. Were you honest the jump from Nazi to Planned Parenthood is a slam dunk especially since she was censored for her positive reviews of the Nazi Eugenics program.
We should have burned that monster masquerading as a woman for a witch because, a witch she was. However, I have it on good authority her soul is awaiting final judgment and the Judge has already decided she will burn. That’s the good news. The bad news is the damage that hellion wrought on this country is incalculable in the moral and ethical sense by the degradation of woman and the destruction of the nuclear family due to birth control and the masculization of the feminine sexual response.
It remains to be seen what happens to Anglo-Western Civilization in the face of negative birth rates and the influx of other races and cultures to make up the difference in the population we require since we have sacrificed our own children on the altar of materialism and hedonism.
So-called Malthusian Doctrine grew in the universities throughout the 19th century and finally blossomed in the 1920s in the Eugenics Society and the Birth Control League. These merchandisers of death fulminated against “the weeds…overrunning the human garden” (as Margaret Sanger described the less fortunate of her day). When the Birth Control League was criticized for its admiration of Nazi eugenics programs, it was renamed — inappropriately — Planned Parenthood.
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=1099-collison
In her 1922 book, “Pivot of Civilization,” Sanger boldly proposed the segregation of “morons, misfits, and the maladjusted,” the removal of “weeds … overrunning the human garden,” and the sterilization of “genetically inferior races.” If we were to be charitable to Nelson, we might dismiss comments such as these as Sanger’s awkward attempt to be “inclusive” and understand “that we’ve got to find ways to share a small planet, despite our differences.” But someone would have to be smoking crack to be that charitable.
Writing in her autobiography, Sanger, singling out the Chinese for a special sort of stab, said that “the incessant fertility” of what she often called the “Asiatic races” caused them to “spread like a plague.”
Sanger hated the dusky and the dumb. To stem the tide of “benign imbeciles” and “their reckless and irresponsible swarming and spawning,” Sanger saw birth control as the key “to eliminate the stocks” which she thought were harmful “to the future of the race and the world.”
Sounds like Adolf Hitler in bloomers and a dress to me. “More children from the fit, less from the unfit,” she said, “that is the chief issue of birth control.” Can’t have any of those colored children running around now, can we? Especially not poor ones. And heaven knows the uneducated urchins have got to go!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19671
February 21st, 2006 at 10:07 amMartin Luther King Jr.
In 1966, the year Sanger died, the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. said
There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts. . . . Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her (King, 1966).
Comment by CZ-1
I knew ML King was stupid in many ways, a communist dupe and an apostate from the Church of Jesus Christ but I had no idea he was involved in the murder of his own people. But on the other hand self-hating and Negro hating Negroes are a dime a dozen in this country.
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America makes a futile effort to deny that its founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. Eugenics is a pseudo-science that claims some races are genetically superior and more fit to survive than others. As a eugenicist, Sanger’s goals were to discourage the “unfit†and “inferior†from reproducing. In her 1922 book Pivot of Civilization, she called for segregation of “morons, misfits, and the maladjusted†and sterilization of “genetically inferior races.â€
Can you guess which race in particular she considered genetically inferior?
In 1916, Sanger founded the Birth Control League, the forerunner of Planned Parenthood. She appointed a man named Lothrop Stoddard, a Nazi sympathizer, fellow eugenicist and author of The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy to the Board of Directors. At some point, after Adolph Hitler’s atrocities against the Jews became known, Sanger changed the league’s name to Planned Parenthood, because “birth control†was too closely associated with eugenics.
More controversial is Sanger’s “Negro Project,†devised in 1939. The eugenicist set out to implicate black ministers and doctors in her efforts to spread her message of contraception, sterilization, and abortion in the black community. “The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members,†she wrote.
People in poorer areas, particularly the South, were producing “alarmingly more than their share†of babies. Sanger was able to enlist black men such as W.E.B. Dubois and Dr. Adam Clayton Powell (a minister) to her cause. Even Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., had a part to play. In 1966, he received an award from Planned Parenthood, writing, “There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts.â€
Margaret Sanger’s project worked better than she could have hoped. Not only do black women have abortions at higher rates, a solid 90 percent of black voters shamelessly cast ballots for the Democratic Party, an unabashed supporter of Planned Parenthood.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:25 amOn January 8, 2006, I attended the Justice Sunday III conference at Greater Exodus Baptist Church, a predominantly black church in Philadelphia. Reverend Herbert Lusk preached passionately against abortion and called it murder. Today, I will attend the Blogs4Life Conference, then head to the National Mall for the March for Life rally. I hope to see a large number of the kind of people who nodded in agreement with Rev. Lusk’s sermon.
Black women are three times as likely to have abortions as their white counterparts. Blacks and Hispanics are about 25 percent of the population, yet they account for 57 percent of all abortions. Aside from the fact that abortion is murder, there are two very important reasons why black people should be represented in great numbers at the March for Life rally:
Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was the ultimate white supremacist
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/La%20ShawnBarber/2006/01/23/183221.html
This is what happens when you allow Progressive Foxes into the coop with all the stupid little black hens. But to be fair it worked on the stupid little white hens as well. And you wonder why I don’t think women (in general) should be allowed to vote.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:33 am#260 If a middle class family in the American suburbs is Utopia, then I guess we need look no further. Somehow I doubt that. If a pastor has to carry a gun in one hand and the Bible in the other, then I’d guess there’s a problem. I’m sure of it.
Comment by CZ-1
Brother Freddy has a tough rout, and he’s a hell of a man. Walking Dead Losers don’t care if you’re a man of God, they’ll still cut your throat for the change in your pocket. You might have two cheeks but you only have one throat. Remember that if you ever venture out of the middle class suburbs and go to the kinds of places Christ sends His apostles.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:40 amWitch burning? I-Right-I, I have been getting a sense of where you are coming from, but this demonstrates an ignorance of culture and belief systems.
Witches were the healers of their respective communities long before the Church condemned them as evil an sought to eradicate them so that the Church would corner the market on healing. Witches are very earth and nature centered.
You have much to learn, IRI, and much hatred to let go.
Nature is a balance of growth and decay, creating and destroying. Humankind is a part of Nature, and humans either help the species grow or decay, humans either create or destroy. Which part of the spectrum you fall on is your choice.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:55 amNew Oxford Review? “Catholicism’s Intellectual Prizefighter!“? The author, Joseph Collison, is the Director of the Office of Pro-Life Activities for the (Roman Catholic) Diocese of Norwich, Connecticut, and Chairman of the Board of caring Families Pregnancy Services. Obviously a staunch anti-abortionist as well as anti-birth control. Naturally he will write an extremely negative piece on Sanger.
Many quotes, in fact whole books, have been falsely attributed to Sanger. Many things have been taken out of context. It seems the anti-abortion, anti-birth control groups love to hate her. Planned Parenthood does admit she was imperfect and held some views–consistent with her times–that are anethma to their modern positions. With that in mind, I like this quote from Snopes:
Meanwhile, your diatribe is revealing.
Again, you seem to favor racism and/or eugenics yourself. Not very Christian of you.
February 21st, 2006 at 11:02 amComment by I-RIGHT-I
So, you don’t hate just black women. It seems you hate all women. Glad we’ve got that cleared up. Did you have a mother, or were you hatched? Sisters? Are you gay?
February 21st, 2006 at 11:17 amRemember that if you ever venture out of the middle class suburbs and go to the kinds of places Christ sends His apostles.
Actually I’ve been to some of those places … in Italy. I saw the pit where two Apostles were kept prisoner and eventually killed. I don’t think the Apostles would carry a gun. I don’t think Jesus would carry a gun. I guess that’s just my Darwinist side talking.
February 21st, 2006 at 11:52 amWitch burning? I-Right-I, I have been getting a sense of where you are coming from, but this demonstrates an ignorance of culture and belief systems.
Witches were the healers of their respective communities long before the Church condemned them as evil an sought to eradicate them so that the Church would corner the market on healing. Witches are very earth and nature centered.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
That’s the fable the new age losers are spreading about. In the beginning witches were poisoners. If you wanted to kill someone or drug them for your own evil purposes you went to a witch. They preyed upon the ignorance and superstitions of the tribal folk and held power out of fear. God commanded Israel to do away with them. We have witches today but they’re not the ones you’re thinking of who love, adore and worship trees and furry woodland creatures, they are the Margaret Sanger’s of the world.
You have much to learn, IRI, and much hatred to let go.
I have nothing to learn from the New Age Losers and hatred properly directed is an act of love for my fellow man. There are some things that God demands be hated. I grok that it’s your unfortunate position to be on the wrong side of those issues.
Nature is a balance of growth and decay, creating and destroying. Humankind is a part of Nature, and humans either help the species grow or decay, humans either create or destroy. Which part of the spectrum you fall on is your choice.
I choose to love the good and hate the evil. The Word of God clearly delineates the two.
So Dorothy, are you a good witch or a bad witch?
February 21st, 2006 at 11:53 amSo, you don’t hate just black women. It seems you hate all women. Glad we’ve got that cleared up. Did you have a mother, or were you hatched? Sisters? Are you gay?
Comment by CZ-1
Putting words in my mouth doesn’t make you any smarter or win an argument. But just to be clear, I don’t hate anyone personally that I know of except my wicked sister in law. On the other hand when the word misogynist, homophobe and flag waving bigot were coined it was debated whether or not to put my picture next to the definition.
February 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pmI-R-I: It remains to be seen what happens to Anglo-Western Civilization in the face of negative birth rates and the influx of other races and cultures to make up the difference in the population we require since we have sacrificed our own children on the altar of materialism and hedonism.
Again, you seem to favor racism and/or eugenics yourself. Not very Christian of you.
Comment by CZ-1
You must be one of those darker colored people ravaged and humiliated by the historical superiority of Anglo movers and shakers throughout Western history, or self-hating white liberals. Get over it.
February 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pmBoy I-Right-I is busy posting a lot of crap today on all the TP threads, so Karl Rove is getting desperate now > lol.
February 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pmOkay I-R-I. We should probably give up on this off topic exchange now. I understand better where you are coming from, and I now have several I-R-I quotes that I can reference in the future. By the way, I don’t think I put any words in your mouth. I tried to phrase things, “It seems you …” to avoid just that. Feel free to correct these observations if necessary. What does come out of your mouth is more than adequate to sink your credibility as a rational debater of the issues.
But what the heck, it’s more fun than everyone just chiming in to agree that so-and-so sucks and should be impeached. And occasionally you even contribute something interesting, like that article about Carter downplaying the UAE port management issue. See ya during library hours. ;-)
February 21st, 2006 at 12:41 pmFor I-R-I, it’s a fun hobby that pays well? ;-)
February 21st, 2006 at 12:44 pmBut what the heck, it’s more fun than everyone just chiming in to agree that so-and-so sucks and should be impeached. And occasionally you even contribute something interesting, like that article about Carter downplaying the UAE port management issue. See ya during library hours. ;-)
Comment by CZ-1
That’s right kiddo. If I wanted to agree with someone all the time I’d just have myself to chat with.
By the way, Jimmy Carter is a bad American. I only found out the other day that f’ing loser went crying to the Soviets to ask them for a bone so he’d look better to the American people before the election he eventually lost to Reagan. He went to our sworn enemy and told them that old Ron was a demented old warmonger and that it could be the end of the world if he were elected. As it turned out it was the end of the Soviet Union instead. I wish that cokesucker would hurry up and die because I want to take a leak on his grave.
I understand better where you are coming from, and I now have several I-R-I quotes that I can reference in the future.
Comment by CZ-1
Get Terry the Turtle to show you his collection of The Wit and Wisdom of I-RIGHT-I.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:25 pmGet Terry the Turtle to show you his collection of The Wit and Wisdom of I-RIGHT-I.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 21, 2006 @ 2:25 pm
That’s just an urban legend… there is no such thing. :P
February 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pm#277 by I-R-I
If anywhere near the truth (remember your credibility is very low), it doesn’t even begin to compare to the deal Reagan made with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election. Then Reagan sold them (Iran, our enemy remember) missiles, took their money, and gave it illegally to the Contra terrorists (er, I mean “freedom fighters”) in Nicaragua. Go ahead and take a leak on Reagan’s grave now. He’s already dead. Of course, the Alzheimer’s disease he had means that he was nearly as good as dead while in office. Mostly Nancy ran the show.
February 21st, 2006 at 6:41 pmHey Judd, when are you going to ban this bitch, IRI? Wwallace was annoying but this neo-whore is just plain insulting to intelligent life.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pm#280 – JPark,
February 21st, 2006 at 10:31 pmIRI is still here because it is the ultimate of bad examples.
Sometimes I think it is too obtuse to be real.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:52 pmHey Judd, when are you going to ban this bitch, IRI? Wwallace was annoying but this neo-whore is just plain insulting to intelligent life.
Comment by JPark
Translation: “Please Judd, get rid of this bad man for us. He’s hurting our feeling and kicking our collective asses.”
I got your bitch in my pants loser.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 amIf anywhere near the truth (remember your credibility is very low), it doesn’t even begin to compare to the deal Reagan made with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election. Then Reagan sold them (Iran, our enemy remember) missiles, took their money, and gave it illegally to the Contra terrorists (er, I mean “freedom fightersâ€) in Nicaragua.
Comment by CZ-1
Let’s see now, Carter the bunny killer left our people to rot in Iran for over a year then tried to cut a deal with our enemy to fix an election and you think that’s not as bad as Reagan’s crew going behind the ratbastardcommieasskissers in congress to fund an anti-communist insurgency a few hundred miles from our border? I think what the bunny killer did was worse, sorry.
The Iranians gave our people back because Reagan said he was going to kill them if they didn’t, and they believed him. They knew he was no bunny killer.
February 22nd, 2006 at 11:26 amI got your bitch in my pants loser.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 9:31 am
That would make you a woman…
February 22nd, 2006 at 12:28 pmThat would make you a woman…
Comment by unbelievable
It’s only a figure of speech. One grabs his crotch and say’s, “I got your (fill in the blank) right here buddy.” It’s one of those “you’ve got to be there” dealios.
February 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmIt’s only a figure of speech. One grabs his crotch and say’s, “I got your (fill in the blank) right here buddy.†It’s one of those “you’ve got to be there†dealios.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 12:36 pm
I know. I was playing… as usual. (And that’s what you really like about me :).
Why so serious lately?
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:04 pmWhy so serious lately?
Comment by unbelievable
I’m always serious. I’m a serious guy…..spins, grabs crotch, tips hat.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmWhat else is for sale ? Could we sell the broken down Subway system of NYC to the Irani’s ???? or perhaps JFK’s unloading and loading operations to the Chineese…
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:51 pmWhat else is for sale ?
Comment by C# Web Service
Let’s take a vote. How many of you functionally illiterate losers think we actually sold the ports to the ragheads?
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:16 pmgrabs crotch
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 2:00 pm
I hope you’re not doing that while simultaneously thinking that I am hot… (down boy, I was joking… :)
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:45 pmLet’s take a vote. How many of you functionally illiterate losers think we actually sold the ports to the ragheads?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 10:16 pm
If we’re illiterate, how are we reading your post? :)
Not ‘for sale’, but ‘under contract’. Happy now?
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 pmIf we’re illiterate, how are we reading your post? :)
Not ‘for sale’, but ‘under contract’. Happy now?
Comment by unbelievable
How come you want to lump yourself in with the functionally illiterate? No, I’m not happy. I’ve seen a half a dozen posters around here whine and wail because George sold our ports to the Arabs. It only gets nuttier and nuttier around here. Sheesh.
February 23rd, 2006 at 10:19 amHow come you want to lump yourself in with the functionally illiterate?
My bad, I assumed you did. :)
No, I’m not happy. I’ve seen a half a dozen posters around here whine and wail because George sold our ports to the Arabs. It only gets nuttier and nuttier around here. Sheesh.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 23, 2006 @ 10:19 am
Yes, there are definitely people on both sides of the political spectrum that will crow about whatever the opposing party is doing without knowing anything about it. It’s how people wanted Clinton impeached for having oral sex, and why one of the regulars here jumped all over me for saying that Bush going after Osama and the Taliban was justified. I don’t buy into absolutes. There are exceptions to every rule… which I guess is an absolute… well, see what I mean :)
February 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 amIt’s how people wanted Clinton impeached for having oral sex, and why one of the regulars here jumped all over me for saying that Bush going after Osama and the Taliban was justified. I don’t buy into absolutes. There are exceptions to every rule… which I guess is an absolute… well, see what I mean :)
Comment by unbelievable —
It wasn’t about his sullying of his office with illegitimate sex with female employees. Not at all. It was a host of other things like selling his office to the Red Chinese for example that made us use his perjury about sex to impeach him. But it is interesting that since all that BJ stuff came out kids are doing it wholesales as early as grade school. That’s part of the Clinton legacy. Who says what the bastard did in private didn’t hurt anyone?
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amBut it is interesting that since all that BJ stuff came out kids are doing it wholesales as early as grade school. That’s part of the Clinton legacy. Who says what the bastard did in private didn’t hurt anyone?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 23, 2006 @ 11:46 am
They have been having babies as early as grade school for quite some time. I’ll write more later, I have a meeting I have to go to…
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 amLike it or not, humans have hormones that make them want to have sex. And unfortunately, this includes the raging hormones of teenagers.
We cannot command these feelings away, and we definitely cannot hide it from them by simply ignoring the situation.
Don’t tell me that people 50 years ago were more sexually abstinate. They weren’t. They just didn’t talk about it. Girls were sent away when they got pregnant and everyone pretended that it didn’t happen. But it happened. Also, I meet way too many adopted people to not believe the reports.
We can either accept this as natural human behavior and deal with it, or keep ignoring a deteriorating problem.
And religion is not the solution. I’ve seen studies where kids take abstinence pledges with their churches, and the majority of them break those pledges within a year.
I’m not sure what the solution is. I’ve not really thought it through. But, personally, from what I’ve seen, it is mostly the kids who do not feel loved or valued enough at home who go out to seek that affection elsewhere. And when mom and dad are exhausted because they both work hard all day, because they have to, we’re only helping to feed into an epidemic.
Commercialism is a big culprit… but I’ll spare you that soap box today :). I’m too exhausted myself from dealing with the problem kids’ cabin fever last period…. Way too many students in one classroom in this state.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm#284 Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Let’s see now, Carter the bunny killer left our people to rot in Iran for over a year
CZ-1: So, you’d have preferred that Carter started a war that would have killed thousands? Then he could have called himself “a war President” and easily win reelection. Hmm…where have I seen that before? You may think it’s manly to order the military to bomb people, but it’s cowardly.
then tried to cut a deal with our enemy to fix an election
CZ-1: No evidence of that.
and you think that’s not as bad as Reagan’s crew going behind the ratbastardcommieasskissers in congress
CZ-1: It’s called BREAKING THE LAW. Say it with me, we are a nation of laws, not men.
to fund an anti-communist insurgency a few hundred miles from our border?
CZ-1: The Contras were immoral terrorists. The illegal CIA funding contributed to the deaths of thousands of innocents.
I think what the bunny killer did was worse, sorry.
CZ-1: Bunny killer?
The Iranians gave our people back because Reagan said he was going to kill them if they didn’t, and they believed him. They knew he was no bunny killer.
CZ-1: That’s a bunch of crap. There’s some good evidence that Reagan’s campaign team did indeed strike a deal with the Iranian hostage takers. It had nothing to do with fearing him. Come on, fear that old geezer of B-grade movie actor? Carter continued to negotiate with the Iranians after he lost the election and right up to when he stepped down.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 pmI think what the bunny killer did was worse, sorry.
CZ-1: Bunny killer?
Jimmy Carter is real life is the Looney Toons character Elmer Fudd.
http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/killer_rabbit.html
February 24th, 2006 at 8:52 amLet’s see now, Carter the bunny killer left our people to rot in Iran for over a year
CZ-1: So, you’d have preferred that Carter started a war that would have killed thousands? Then he could have called himself “a war President†and easily win reelection. Hmm…where have I seen that before? You may think it’s manly to order the military to bomb people, but it’s cowardly.
Carter had a responsibility to those people and he failed them. He’ a mealy mouthed terrorists appeasing chickenshit. Yes, he should have bombed the hell out of them. Because he didn’t Islamofreaks around the world got the idea in their head they could do anything they wanted (and they did) to us and get away with it. It all started in the Middle East because that moral pauper Jimmy Carter did not defend our nation and our honor.
But he was pure hell on that terrorist bunny rabbit.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:58 amLet me give you the chain of events as to how this terrorist hell started:
1. Adam and Eve get booted out of the Garden of Eden. Terrorism generally begins shortly thereafter.
2. Reza Shah Pahlavi (put into power by the CIA in 1953) starts the pro-American White Revolution program in 1963 and begins to piss off the devote Shia population, i.e. the followers of Ayatollah Khomeini.
3. In 1978, an article in Iran denouncing Khomeini starts a popular uprising. In January 1979, the Shah flees Iran (goes to Egypt) and Khomeini comes back from Paris after 14 years of exile. In March 1979, a nationwide referendum establishes Iran as an Islamic Republic.
4. In October 1979, the US allowed the Shah into the country for medical treatment of his cancer. In November 1979, pissed off young Iranian revolutionaries overrun the American Embassy and take hostages.
5. Carter embargoed Iranian oil and took other economic sanctions while working on negotiations. With no diplomatic success, Carter approved the high-risk Operation Eagle Claw military rescue mission in April 1980.
6. The Shah died in July 1980, and Iran invaded Iraq in September 1980. With these events, Carter’s negotiations eventually were successful (after his election defeat). After the US agreed to unfreeze Iranian assets and give them immunity from lawsuits, Iran agreed to free the hostages. Iranians released the hostages 20 minutes after Reagan was inaugurated. Carter met the returning hostages in Germany in January 1981.
7. Far from being afraid of Reagan, the Iranians struck a deal with him to get 1,000 TOW missiles in exchange for their help freeing hostages in Lebanon held by Hezbollah. “However, the arms shipments began before the first hostage was taken, and ended a long time after the last hostage was released.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair The proceeds from these illegal US weapons sales to Iran go illegally to the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua. The Contras are responsible for thousands of civilian casualties.
8. Reagan was using Iran as a proxy against Iraq. Later, Reagan and George H.W. Bush would give weapons (including materials for making WMD) to Iraq to use it as a proxy against Iran. Go figure.
9. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan in December 1979 (busy frickin’ year!) after/during a civil war. Osama bin Laden immediately vows to form an army and fight them.
10. The US supports Osama bin Laden, giving him weapons and military training assistance. Osama’s bunch and others, the Mujahedeen, seem to successfully repel the Soviets (with backing from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan).
11. Saddam invades Kuwait in 1990. Osama asks the Saudi government to help him raise an army to fight the Iraqis. When the Saudis instead allow American forces into the country, Osama is outraged and evolves his group into al Qaeda. He feels that if they can defeat the Soviet superpower, they can defeat the American superpower.
12. George H.W. Bush sends the Iraqis back home. He encourages the oppressed Iraqi Shiites to rise up against Saddam and says he will support them in the bid for freedom. The Shiites do rise up with some success. At the critical point where they need support to finish the job, Bush decides it’s better to keep the devil he knows (Saddam) instead of helping the devil he doesn’t know (an Islamic republic of Iraq). American forces sit in Kuwait and watch Saddam slaughter tens of thousands of Shiites.
13. Through all of this, America continues to support Saudi Arabia and feed from its oil teet. Saudi Arabia continues its dictatorial ways and support for terrorists such as al Qaeda and the Taliban.
14. 9/11/2001.
15. Bush invades Afghanistan as Osama wanted, using the Northern Alliance (the old Mujahedeen) as his foot soldiers. Because these guys are not US troops, they are bought off or incompetent and allow Osama to escape the Tora Bora battle. Osama looses in Afghanistan, but lives to fight another day. Terrorism around the world skyrockets.
16. Bush invades Iraq in an immoral, illegal, unnecessary war. Osama is delighted. He gets his wish a second time: American troops in his backyard that he can attack, kill, and show the US is defeatable. Iraq becomes the ideal training ground and recruitment poster for terrorists. The US military is gradually drained, weakened, and embarrassed in Iraq. Iraq will devolve into either civil war or a replacement strongman dictator, regardless of how long the US stays. Democracy doesn’t come at the point of a gun.
17. Katrina 2005. This event proves the Bush government has done essentially nothing to prepare for another terrorist attack. The war on terror is clearly only a political game designed to keep Bush and the Repubs in power. Terrorists flourish because of the blatant hypocrisy and utter failure to address the root causes of terrorism, to act morally with respect to prisoners around the world and civilians in Iraq, and to work together as a world community instead of pulling out of or not living up to multiple international agreements such as the ABM treaty and the Non-Proliferation treaty.
February 24th, 2006 at 12:29 pm