Bill Frist, J.D.: ‘I Know the Program Is Constitutional’
Bill Frist, J.D.: ‘I Know the Program Is Constitutional’
Today, on CBS’s Face the Nation, host Bob Schieffer pressed Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) about his views on Bush’s illegal NSA surveillance program. Frist, who famously flaunts the fact that he holds a medical degree, didn’t hestitate to share his legal diagnosis:
FRIST: I believe the program — I know the program is constitutional — that it is legal –
SCHIEFFER: Alright, let me just stop you, and let me just get back to the question that I asked you. Since you know all about it, as you’re one of the 8 who knows more about it than the others, do you think that the whole situation needs to be brought under the control of the court? Do you think we either need new laws to do that or do you think it’s ok to just keep going as you’re going?
FRIST: Does it have to be thrown over to the courts, going back to the question you just asked? I don’t think so. I personally don’t think so.
SCHIEFFER: You don’t think that the court needs to issue a court order before they do that?
FRIST: No.
While Frist was busy parroting the White House view, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who served six-and-a-half years of service on active duty as an Air Force lawyer, suggested the program is illegal and needs to be brought before a court:
GRAHAM: I am adamant that the courts have some role when it comes to warrants. If you’re going to follow an American citizen around for an extended period of time, believing they’re collaborating with the enemy, at some point in time you need to get some judicial review because mistakes can be made.
If there is anyone who should understand that mistakes can be made, it’s Bill Frist.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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perhaps Frist has video-diagnosed the NSA program
February 19th, 2006 at 11:27 amheh - he did make a comment to the effect that after seeing (the pics/video of) mr. wittington he was sure the man was in good health - a la schiavo, i'd be worried now if i were mr. wittington...
frist was clearly uncomfprtable talking about the subject of cheney shooting a 78 year old man - but he had no trouble blaming the democrats for making it a problem...
February 19th, 2006 at 11:33 amDon't bother quoting Graham. Have'nt you learned by now, that Karl Rove will reign him in, and tommorrow he'll be talking out of the other side of his hole? Sheesh.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:36 amWhich program is he talking about? One of how many?
February 19th, 2006 at 11:37 amwhy don't you guys go into the other room, hash this out and get back to me when you've worked out, ok...?
Visit my blog: And, yes, I DO take it personally
February 19th, 2006 at 11:42 amDr. Frist apperas to be totally enslaved by
February 19th, 2006 at 11:43 amhis ambitions. He will say anything that he
thinks will help him politically without
regard to anything else, including his
hippocratic oath (though with Frist, it was
likely to have been a hypocritic oath).
This includes defense of anything BuchCo
does, since Frist seems to think the WH will
help him in 2008. I think he will be surprised
when that doesn't happen.
Very low life form the "spinless hypocrite".
Constant conflict -- A look behind the philosophy and practice of America's push for domination of the world's economy and culture.
US Army War College Quarterly: [First published in Parameters, Summer 1997, pp. 4-14:]:
"There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing."
When these people say "to those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing" they don't just mean foreigners, they're also talking about the need to kill Americans if need be.
Illegal wiretapping is only the first step.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:57 amActually, Mr. Frist is half right. The program is Constituional, under a strict constructionist view.
There is nothing in the 4th Amendment protecting searches and seizures of electronic communications. Any so-called "right to privacy" is a court construed doctrine, an "interpretation" of the Constitution. And, stare-decisis not withstanding, the Supreme Court has been known, on occasion to overrule prior decisions. Indeed, individuals are nominated to the Supreme Court in hopes that their views might influence the Court to overrule prior decisions.
Next, is the progam illegal? Many have said so. However, under One-Party Rule, nothing the Party does is illegal. Already there is a great deal of talk about passing whatever legislation is necessary to allow the Government the power to monitor each and every citizen each and every moment of each and every day, without probable cause, nor warrant, nor any form of independent judicial oversight.
The next logical extension would be to pass legislation specifically authorizing the President to hold "enemy combatants" indefinately without a trial. This could be achieved by removing federal jurisdiction over any person so accused.
A totalitarian state needs terrorists, or some common enemy, to keep the people in fear and justify its actions suppressing individual liberties. That is why the terroist threat will be with us indefinately. And a totalitarian state must supress dissent. That is why it needs to monitor each and every citizen.
As President Bush said in 2001, "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." If you disagree with the current regime you have chosen to side with the terrorists. The extension of this doctrine:
Thus it will come to pass that if you speak out against the current regime you will be found to have adhered to the enemy. You will have committed treason against the United States. This will be sufficient to label you an enemy combatant. Your next of kin will not be notified.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:00 pmThe full article is here:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3011.htm
February 19th, 2006 at 12:01 pmit' just ironic how these republican are calling the muslims insurgents, enemies and the bad guys. and now the arabs are going to securing our ports (uae). and in fact have been found by our own government to sponsor terror. so does the silent admission of bushwhack being behind 9/11 for profiterring ring any truer? so what up riechwingers. the very folks you fear will be securing our ports so if a bomber blows up the ports than ----- IT'S YOUR FAULT AND GOES AGAINST THE VERY GRAIN OF WHAT YOUR CLAIMING TO BE.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:04 pmSounds as if Frist is yet another of the Reconstructionists
whom dont Follow the LAW, but get their basic Ideology of 'Law' from Gary North or Rushdoony.
R.J. Rushdoony
You've probably never heard of this guy, and I'm sure he'd like to keep it that way. Too bad for him. Get a load of this crackpot.
R.J. Rushdoony is a former member of the Rutherford Institute Board of Directors. Those are the delightful folks who helped finance Paula Jones's legal defense.
Now he's the head of the Chalcedon Institute, a California-based religious think tank that argues that every Bible passage must be taken literally.
R.J. is considered the spiritual father of Christian Reconstructionism, which promotes the idea of rebuilding society in accordance with biblical law.
He has called for restoration of the Old Testament law that would require we stone to death all adulterers, atheists, gays, and even bratty children.
And what about folks who misbehave, but not enough to merit a death sentence? Oh, they would become a member of a new slave class. Isn't that clever?
The MSM has done very well not to EXPOSE this group of Constitution destroyers, only 43 Lexus Nexus Articles Listed for them. Pat Roberston doesnt mention this Ideology on his show.
The Internet needs to get a Wake up Call on this Democracy Killers to their blinded members
February 19th, 2006 at 12:09 pmHe thinks tears might be able to carry aids. So I really want to hear what he has to say on this.
R2K
February 19th, 2006 at 12:10 pmYOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US? WHAT IS IT? FLIP-FLOPPERS. HOW COULD I FORGET, YOU ALLOW TERROR WHEN IT IS BENEFITING THE POCKETS. SO WHY DOESN'T BIG, BAD BUSH GO AFTER THE REAL HOLDER OF WMD? HE IS TO SCARED OF THE IRANIANS. HE KNOWS THE "CHARLIES" WILL KICK HIS ASS. SO HE GOES AFTER THOSE WHO ARE WEAKER THAN HE. AND ALSO LET ME ASK YOU REICHWINGERS THIS. IF BUSHY REALLY THOUGHT SADDAM HAD WMD, YOU THINK HE WOULD PUT THE TROOPS IN HARMS WAY? SHUT THE HELL UP. ANOTHER REASON FOR NOT GOING AFTER IRAN AND N. KOREA. NOW WHO ARE THE REAL PUNKS. IT'S TO BAD YOU LITTLE PEON REBUPS AREN'T GETTING "GREENER" WHILE BUSHIES CRONIES ARE.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pm#8 - Briseadh na Faire, your writings are always interesting...
February 19th, 2006 at 12:14 pmbut i am only curious - would you mind offering the translation of that name? irish?
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Thus it will come to pass that if you speak out against the current regime you will be found to have adhered to the enemy. You will have committed treason against the United States. This will be sufficient to label you an enemy combatant. Your next of kin will not be notified.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 19, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
this is not Structionist view, its a RECONSTRUCTIONIST view and it wishes to destroy the Constitution. If you wish to be ruled by a Religious Group of Wackos such as Gary North or Rushdoony, Falwell or Robertson, go back to England. Thats the Reason WE left in the FIRST place.
To be Free of your Religious Oppression.
The Structionist VIEW is just a VIEW and does not make it legal. You want a slave Owenrship society? Take you and your frinds to Guyana, elect you a Jim Jones and then enslave one another.
This Rushdoony Stuff is Absolute Grabage
February 19th, 2006 at 12:15 pmhey all you bible thumpers. one simple question. why is it taking you so long to kill yourself to get to heaven if it is so much better?
February 19th, 2006 at 12:17 pmactually #9, the program is illegal under an originalist view of the constitution. what would the founders say about the current wiretapping program? Is there any doubt, given that they declared unreasonable searches and seizures illegal?
February 19th, 2006 at 12:19 pmI meant #8 -- sorry
February 19th, 2006 at 12:23 pmSuicide gets you to hell #16.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI think that is the answer anyway.
Try not to attack religion as it is
very important to many people.
History is very mixed WRT religion's influence,
but nonetheless, this type of attack is not
productive.
Old expression:
"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
Point being that it is better to get support from
faith than to make enemies through offense.
Again, if it(does anyone know what program we are talking about here) is legal, then why did they try to amend FISA in July of 02? Also why did they have to pay John Ashcroft a visit in the hospital if they were so sure that it(AGAIN WHICH PROGRAM ARE WE TALKING ABOUT) was legal? http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/073102baker.html
February 19th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI was willing to wait and see the details of the program before deciding whether it was illegal or unconstitutional. Or at least have some credible Democrat say it was once they had been briefed.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:36 pmBut now that Frist says it's legal and he's reviewed the details of the program,I don't think there is much doubt that it is illegal and unconstitutional. Frist is the best negative weather vane in the Senate.
I agree with afterthought, yet heres a Religious type, briseadh faire (Break the Control) telling me, BECAUSE of his or her belief system, that anyone that doesnt agree with their Views is Treasonous.
Treasonous is those whom, like Bush, call the Constitution of America a Goddamn Piece of Paper.
Your REGIME is the Traitors briseadh
February 19th, 2006 at 12:41 pmKaty,
Briseadh na Faire is Celtic for Break of Dawn.
AJ, I do not want a slave ownership society. I write what I see, not what I wish to see.
The Party in power will do all it can to remain in power. That includes redefining the Constitution and convincing enough people that their interpretation is what the "founding fathers" had intended all along.
Jack, I assume you are refering to my post as #9. Under a strict constructionist view, wiretapping is not a search nor a seizure, as it does not involve a person, house, paper, nor effect as was in existence in 1787. Orwell pointed out in 1984 that history is mutable.
Certain people argue even now that our Constitution was based on the 10 Commandments, and the the Constitution incorporates the Declaration of Independence to place the Christian God as the religious foundation of our country. They conveniently ignore the fact that Jefferson refered to "Nature's God" in the Declaration of Independence, that his beliefs were more akin to Universalism or contemporary Paganism than to mainstream Christianity of his day.
History is being re-written. Witness now the rise of Big Brother in the form of a Unitary Executive with the power of Commander in Chief as a War-Time President in a perpetual state of war against...ourselves.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:42 pmI dont know the name of the programs, it fall under Pen/Traps in the Ashcroft Patriot Act.
Clipper Chip+Bush Sr.
brings up some RFID type technology
http://www.google.com/search?q=Clipper+Chip%2BBush+Sr.&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
February 19th, 2006 at 12:44 pmAJ, you misread me. I speak not for the current regime, but against it.
I write as a warning, that you might know what you are confronting. Does anyone here not doubt that the government is monitoring all these posts?
February 19th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAs President Bush said in 2001, “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.†If you disagree with the current regime you have chosen to side with the terrorists.
Bush LIES, why would you believe him?
February 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYes, committing suicide will take you to hell, but joining the military and dying for your country won't. If the bible thumpers support this war on Islam, the bible doesn't say anything about fighting for you country.
We need to get started on those human-animal hybrids.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pmHere in REALITY land, this is the bottom line on the so called 'drug prescreption plan'. My medicare provider wrote all with the company and said: "DO NOT"..sign up with the gov. plan, we have a better one, and they did. Only a tiny change in the proceedure,but no increase in the monthly payments. Fisk ONLY brought up one small benifit,the rest of the bill was a NEGATIVE. He dodged Bob's question over and over like a good puppet does.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:51 pmBriseadh na Faire,
Maybe you need to start your posts with "sarcasm=on" or something along those lines. I keep seeing people misinterpreting your posts as being pro-Bush, when they are not.
A h-uile latha sona dhut, Gun latha idir dona dhut!
February 19th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#AJ, you misread me. I speak not for the current regime, but against it.
I write as a warning, that you might know what you are confronting. Does anyone here not doubt that the government is monitoring all these posts?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 19, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
I have read your posts, slick trolling.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:53 pmI think its time to start a third party in the United States, because neither party is doing the things most American care about. The both parties are in the pocket of special interest groups and are owned by foreign businesses and governments. Think about this before you jump to conclusions: If a third party had twenty seats in the U.S. Senate, they would hold the balance of power, if the other two parties had forty seats each. It takes a 51 vote majority to past any bills, so neither party could do a thing without the "Independant Party".
Since the majority of Americans are in the center when it comes to politics a third party made up of dissatified Republicans and Democrats could basically control Congress. All we would need to do is run a Candidate in every Congressional district and some of our people would win. The problem that Ross Perot faced when he tried it was they failed to enter into the Congressional races and that left them with no power.
We should get together on line at try to put this new party together. I'm looking for volunteers in every state to start this new party. It won't be easy but neither was the American revolution. I'd like to start this new party by the 2008 elections. All those interested can visit my blog at http://WWW.Plainnews.blogspot.com Please leave your e-mail address so we can get in contact with you.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI have recommended this book a couple of times before and it is a real keeper. "The War for Muslim Minds" by Gilles Kepel. As far as I can tell they are more in the mold of
February 19th, 2006 at 12:54 pmFederalists than constructionists.
Frist is so lame, he is pathetic.
February 19th, 2006 at 12:55 pmHe can diagnose Schiavo from a thousand miles away. He KNOWS Bush is acting legally. What a jerk.
Aj,
"slick trolling" is an oxymoron. Those two words can't be used together. Besides, Briseadh na Faire is fine.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:01 pmafterthought, i do get that. killing gets you to hell. thou shall not kill (period). here we have bushy saying that god told him to go to iraq, and i find that more offensive than the religious whacks hurrying themselves to heaven.why should those who do not believe in the sector of religions and god walk on pins and needles.these are the very people who cause more destruction in the world. do you think these religious folks are in any way going to watch what they say not to offend the very people who do not believe in the fairytale? trust me, if you are not one of them and join their group and think like them they believe they are above you. this reichwing, radical, religious whack admin. are offending me every time they open there mouth to what is important to me. this is the beauty of opinions, they are never wrong. this is the beauty of free speech here in america--and that is being taken away. if these religious folks are that sensitive about attacks on religion tell them to act like real christians, jesus' teachings. these are the very people that are to fight for the poor, be tolerant. pray for ones will, the most forgiving, non-violent, no prejudice, peace and love ALL. and these are the very people bringing hate, bigotry, violence, prejudice, intolerance.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:01 pmToo late Spudge its been tagged a Cloaked Troll.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:04 pmAnd it surely is in my view.
#30 take a look at #29. He has it right. I have no doubt the regime has a file on me. I flew to DC to participate in the State of the Union protest hosted by worldcantwait.org. I was introduced by name as I played Amazing Grace on the bagpipes at the beginning of the protest. The protest was monitored by the Department of Homeland Security. I took this picture when we were stopped by a police line on the way to where Cindy Sheehan was being held after being arrested because of her shirt:
February 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmAJ, I am not a Cloaked Troll.
I am a Shaman.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:09 pmslick is used here by me as treadless, or without traction. The Troll has no Traction.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:10 pmThe TROLL gained Nothing.
The Troll with no purchase
Senator Frist is a Bush stooge and is so scared of Cheney he wets his pants whenever Dick calls him up! This GOP controlled Senate is the most corrupt in US history > PERIOD.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:10 pmExcuse me, but we apparently had a transporter malfunction -- what planet is this?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:11 pmso every christian supporting the war should become a g.i., get there bdu's and go fight for the very war they support. instead of talkin about it you war supporters go be about it. or are you to scared?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:12 pmAnd Im an Adept.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:14 pmbooga booga cast my spell!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:14 pmRealist67, excellent article (post #9). Thank you for posting it.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:19 pmBriseadh na Faire is a good poster on here > he is NO friend of the Bush Cabal! He likes to post spiritual things!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:22 pm#35,
I was not getting into the manipulation of
February 19th, 2006 at 1:23 pmthe religious by this craven administration.
This wickedness should be shouted from the mountain-tops.
The integration of religion and our government
is an affront to our American heritage and
all that the founding fathers stood for.
jeez, lighten up -Aj... i think you're way off base here about Faire... i read nothing but enlightened statements... try again, this time with an open mind...
February 19th, 2006 at 1:23 pmAj,
Briseadh na Faire, is only tagged a cloaked troll in your book. I know exactly what they are trying to say. If you don't get it, that is fine, but it doesn't make them a troll.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:27 pmThere is a deliberate attempt here by Republicans to send mixed opinions about this.
And the Democrats continue to remain silent.
Americans do not support warrantless Data Mining and following people without warrants. Period.
Where are the Democrats?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:29 pmIt's time to call this program what it is.
People on this site need to reshape this reality.
~Data Mining
February 19th, 2006 at 1:31 pm~Following people without warrants.
They'll realize they shoulda got warrants when their cases are tossed. it's that simple.
February 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pmPost 50 some of the Democrats in the Senate are scared wittless and/or are compromised! Sen. Kennedy had to remain silent all last week because he was in a auto accident a long time ago that his young female secretary died > drowned to be exact, so when Cheney shot Whittington Ted had to hide! Some other Dems like Lieberman and Byrd have sold out to GOP, and some like Biden are too stupid to notice!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:37 pmJay Randal,
Or maybe the Democrats are still scared of receiving a letter laced with anthrax. Remember, no Republicans received anthrax laced letters, only Dems.
Anthrax Used To Intimidate Democrats?
February 19th, 2006 at 1:41 pmThe Constitution is a "living, breathing document" so it says whatever anyone wants it to say. That's the liberal standard.
Where, Faiz, does the Constitution say one must be a lawyer to read it? And we're sure you'll level equal condemnation on Democrats who are not lawyers saying the program is unconstitutional. You wouldn't want to be inconsistent. LOL
February 19th, 2006 at 1:44 pm52
Wrong.
And this is part of the problem.
No charges,
No suspects,
No results,
No measures,
No convictions,
No trials.
Republicans have no intention of prosecuting crimes.
They run illegal prisons,
February 19th, 2006 at 1:45 pmThey torture innocent people to force them to snitch.
The Bush system of "fighting terror" is nothing more than a modern day vigilant lynching.
It is illegal through and through,
February 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmAnd the Democrats were silent about it,
and they still are.
#52, where we're headed, there won't be any cases.
Jay, Katy, S Boy, thank you.
Peace and Blessings,
Briseadh na Faire
February 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pmCould be Spudge_Boy but to be afraid of Bush is beyond cowardice > it reeks of NO spine! Only a few Senators have any guts like Boxer and Durbin, but most are scared bunnies!
February 19th, 2006 at 1:51 pmFor more on Doctor Frist's witness malpractice regarding Terri Schiavo and HIV/AIDS, see:
February 19th, 2006 at 1:53 pm"Bill Frist: Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hide"
You can say that again.
You will notice that Dashcle, Feingold and Leahy, the ones who were exposed to the anthrax have not backed down. Maybe it is a case of reverse pyschology. Not, that anybody else should get sent anthraz, but we need something to kick start the Democrats. They don't stand up for anything and pass Republican legislation without a question.
40% of Democrats vote Republican 70% of the time.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:03 pmNot to mention that the warrantless NSA wiretapping is illegal. The Bush administration know it's illegal and the Democrats aren't doing a damn thing about it.
See:
Why Gonzales Was Not Sworn In
and
Wiretapping Legal, After The Crime?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:06 pmSpudgeboy -- "Not to mention that the warrantless NSA wiretapping is illegal."
Are you an attorney, or are you breaking Faiz's rule here? LOL
February 19th, 2006 at 2:09 pmwall ace are you the ww wallace that Judd wanted banned on here?
February 19th, 2006 at 2:13 pmJudd hates free speech? Judd is a Democrat? But I repet myself. L
February 19th, 2006 at 2:16 pmYes, that is wwallace, just ignore him. He is a moron.
How sad of a little person do you have to be to keep coming back to someplace you have been banned from. In real life wwallace would have been arrested for stalking already.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:23 pm#66 only if he was over 18 but since he probably not given he obvious juvenile tendencies he would then have to be turned over to his legal gardian and grounded for a week. LOL
February 19th, 2006 at 2:37 pmHey Everyone Bill Frist Birthday is Feb 22 ,his wife Karyn sent out invites via email and I just happened to get one.
Frist will be in Nashville at his home eating Carmel Cake and Ice Cream.
Sen W.H. Frist
703 Bowling Ave
Nashville,TN 37205
VOLPAC
VOLPAC
Post Office Box 158552
Nashville, TN 37215
Office: (615) 386-0045
Drop the good doctor a card of thanks and remind him this is America and WE Americans know this adminstration is screwing with us and we don't like liars who are destroying our constiution and invading Countries for their Natural Resources.
Its time we hit back in their faces with Pen and Ink!
Lets Wish Bill Frist a Happy Birthday!
February 19th, 2006 at 2:49 pm#Aj,
Briseadh na Faire, is only tagged a cloaked troll in your book. I know exactly what they are trying to say. If you don’t get it, that is fine, but it doesn’t make them a troll.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 19, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
yet you misunderstand the 'Shaman' and their sneaky WAYS.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pmBeing a Scot myself, I don't have any problems with anybody that wants to be a shaman and/or go to a shaman. There aren't any spells. This isn't a role playing game.
The only thing I know beyond the fact that shamans are spiritual healers, is that they were persecuted and killed by the Christians.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:15 pmBack on thread - Faiz notes, "Frist, who famously flaunts the fact that he holds a medical degree, didn’t hestitate to share his legal diagnosis..."
February 19th, 2006 at 3:24 pm******EXCELLENT point, Faiz. How dare a US Senator comment on legal issues!! Drafting legislation takes one helluva alot of nerve for a medical doctor!!! Kind of like Ted giving driving lessons, Hillary in charge of the "Lost & Found" and Bill conducting abstinence classes.
mighty aphrodite,
Stick to the topic and stop withthe silly attacks.
How are we supposed to find out if this program is legal or not when you have Senators like Mike DeWine saying things like:
Is that the kind of country you want to live in mighty aphrodite. One where the mjority party can just do whatever they want?
What happens when a Democrat is in charge? Should they be able to do whatever they want and not have to prove legality?
February 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pmhey spudge - did you catch bill maher last night? he asked the same question - what if hillary were president - to (whats-his-name, wrote a book, rebel [gag] in charge) ? ...the shill replied "well, that would be a different story...just kidding" ...riiiight....
February 19th, 2006 at 3:39 pmkaty,
I got Bill Maher on my DVR. going to lunch, then gonna watch it. I heard he had Russ Feingold on as his first guest. I can't wait to see it. I will respond after I watch it.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pmhttp://groups.msn.com/FullMoonParadise
is this YOUR site briseadh?
In Fairness I have tried reading into these things you speak of Shamans etc etc...
Brothers Wife gets into all that Riki Stuff.
Funny that they both have Mental and Physical problems, yet they CANNOT heal themselves..Spiritually or otherwise and spend alot of time at the Doctor and take alot of Pills for Mental Anxiety.
Sure they made money off of those that came into their 'bookstore' and did the Riki 'Hands on' thing. Yet NO ONE ever was cured. Its bad Medicine, based on Bad Science, based on Fictional accounts.
They Offered Spiritual Advice and Service for Payment.
Such is My problem with Wiccan Shamanism.
We have a hard enough Time with being accused moon bats Tin Foil Hats and Conspiracy Theories as it is without this Shaman Stuff mucking things up.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:42 pmMaD is that ALL YOU GOT IS more old rehash?
Scraping the bottom for leftovers? Sad
February 19th, 2006 at 3:46 pmIf Frist is as qualified to be a heart surgeon, as he is to do long-range diagnoses(Shivo and now Wittington)and to be a member of the Senate, then we should all thank the Good Lord that he is not in an operating room cutting into some unsuspecting poor soul. An idiot is as an idiot says and does. This is the only thing Frist is qualified for in my opinion.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:52 pmFrist can't "know" something that isn't true. He's an idiot and/or traitor.
February 19th, 2006 at 3:53 pmMaD hates America and 75% of the People whom disagree with him/her
Gotta Question MaD. Are 75% of the people wrong about the Republican Congress?
Hardly. What we are Seeing is an near exact replay of the Iran-Contra, Franklin Days of Bush Sr.
Gay Prostitutes amok in W.H. (gannon)
Arms sales (Abramoff Norquist)
IRAQ War (Gulf II)
Corruption (Senators)
Coverups (9/11 report/Iran Contra Committee)
Its like an instant replay and will come out VERY much the same as before.
'out of the loop'
'I dont remember'
'I dont Know him'
Its already began
February 19th, 2006 at 3:56 pmFebruary 11, 2006
by E&P Staff
Editor & Publisher
NEW YORK Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) has asked Veterans Affairs Secretary James Nicholson for a thorough inquiry of his agency's investigation into whether a V.A. nurse's letter to the editor criticizing the Bush administration amounted to "sedition."
Merely opposing government policies and expressing a desire to change course "does not provide reason to believe that a person is involved in illegal subversive activity," he said. Bingaman said such investigations raise "a very real possibility of chilling legitimate political speech."
Laura Berg, a clinical nurse specialist for 15 years, wrote a letter in September to a weekly Albuquerque newspaper criticizing how the administration handled Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq War. She urged people to "act forcefully" by bringing criminal charges against top administration officials, including the president, to remove them from power because they played games of "vicious deceit." She added: "This country needs to get out of Iraq now and return to our original vision and priorities of caring for land and people and resources rather than killing for oil....Otherwise, many more of us will be facing living hell in these times."
The agency seized her office computer and launched an investigation. Berg is not talking to the press, but reportedly fears losing her job.
Bingaman wrote: "In a democracy, expressing disagreement with the government's actions does not amount to sedition or insurrection. It is, and must remain, protected speech. Although it may be permissible to implement restrictions regarding a government employee's political activities during work hours or on government premises, such employees do not surrender their right to freedom of speech when they enlist in government service."
February 19th, 2006 at 4:03 pmAJ,
fullmoonparadise is not my site. I merely post parables on there from time to time.
Have you read "The Way of the Shaman" by Dr. Harner? If you truely wish to understand, that would be a good place to start.
Reiki is a label applied to healing energy. I believe it is the same energy refered to in the Bible when it talks of a laying on of hands. I was asked if I was a Reiki Master before I had ever heard of the term. All I knew was that I could help.
In ancient times, people would turn to Shamans for healing. And a little over a year ago, the uncivilized tribes "knew" to go to higher ground and were unharmed by the tsunami that wiped out about a quarter of a million people living in a more advanced culture.
Perhaps it is not the Shamans who are mucking things up.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:19 pmSince when is Frist a lawyer? I wouldn't consult a lawyer for a medical matter, nor would I consult a doctor on a legal matter -- and especially not one who has evidenced such dubious judgment even within his own profession as to render a medical diagnosis on a patient after watching approximately one percent of a selectively-edited videotape, a diagnosis which was later revealed by the autopsy to be totally off-base.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#72 - "How are we supposed to find out if this program is legal or not when you have Senators like Mike DeWine saying things like:
February 19th, 2006 at 4:44 pmYou know, there’s been some controversy about whether or not this program is legal or is not legal..." - SpudgeMAN
*****Dear SpudgeMan - I guess if every one agreed with you and other progs, that would clear up whether the terrorist spy program was illegal - whether or not Constitutional Law upheld your premise. Your criticism of my note makes no reference to the stupidity of Faiz' assertion - no surprise there.
Dear "thought in TN", Do you use canola oil in you car?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:46 pmLet's not forget that at least one prominent group of legal experts -- namely, the American Bar Association -- has denounced the NSA wiretapping. Here's the link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-briefs14.1feb14,0,1870850.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
February 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pmmighty aphrodite,
What does what Fiaz' thinks have to do with what I asked you. Do you not want to debate or don't you want to make silly attacks on Hillary and Ted Kennedy.
If all you want to do is act silly then I will not try and debate with you. It is up to you. You make the descision and I will agree to it.
What I asked was how will we get to the bottom of whether or not the warrantless NSA wiretapping program is legal or illegal if republican senators don't want to have a debate or hearings?
Or do you not care about the US Constitution?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pm[ #78: Frist can’t “know†something that isn’t true. ]
Publicus shoots, and scores! Ding ding ding!
As for Frist, he can't be much of a doctor, or he would have diagnosed W's flatline EEG a long time ago.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:56 pmI KNOW mine is the winning lottery ticket. So, show me the money.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pm#8 - To answer the argument that because electronic eavesdropping is not mentioned in the 4th Amendment, I would argue that the citizens of the US are covered against that by the 9th Amendment. The 9th Amendment states that: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Just because a specific right is not spelled out, it doesn't mean that US citizens do not have that right inherently - think suffrage.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:40 pmYellowdog,
I agree with your point. Unfortunately the 9th and 10th Amendments have largely been eviscerated by Supreme Court decisions upholding acts of Congress which erode individual liberties.
It would be absolutely amazing if a strict constructionist would enforce those provisions against the overreaching of the federal government, but I do not see Justices Scalia nor Thomas inclined to do so. Justice Alito was nominated because he was seen as following the Scalia mold, while Chief Justice Roberts is of similar ilk to his predecessor.
That leaves Justice Kennedy as the swing vote. Sadly, he authored Bush v. Gore in 2000.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:43 pmBriseadh,
I concur. Unfortunately the 9th/10th don't delineate what is "inalienble", what is states rights, and what is federal territory. It's amazing that the authors of the Bill of Rights even had the forethought to anticipate overreaching of the federal (vs. states and individuals), but over the years have been able to use wordsmithing to eviscerate the constitution when they saw fit. What disappoints me is that while weakened, it seems our esteemed legislators have forgotten them entirely. It is debateable that the ordinal position of the amendments shows the relative trump position, as each were made to correct previous errors. Thus, Bill of Rights trumps Executive authority, but no one is debating it. Just food for thought.
Off topic and for humor, I used to post as "yellowdog" (I raise labs), but the current spelling is intentional. It's my own way of removing W.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:26 pmFor "unalienable rights" look to the Declaration of Independence. We the people have ALL the rights. Governments - federal and state - have no rights and only the powers we delegate to them.
It all goes back to the philosophy of natural rights which Jefferson and other founding fathers believed in. (Indeed, they considered them "self-evident." We don't need to look to the Constitution to defend our rights; they were granted to us by "our Creator" and cannot rightfully be taken away by any government.
Fear not patriots! We can bring down this government and any other simply by withdrawing our consent. (Remeber recent history in eastern Europe.)
February 19th, 2006 at 9:55 pmFrist is a FOOL. A very, very dangerous FOOL.
Bush did, and is continuing to do, something highly illegal.
Therefore, Bush and his corrupt crony pals are desperately afraid of having our legal branch of government, by FISA law, keep a Constitutional eye on what they have been, and still are, doing.
What are the Bush people hiding?
Why does Frist, the FOOL, want to gut FISA?
Because if the legal oversight that is required under FISA is removed, then absolutely nothing will stand in the way of Bush (and Gonzales, and Chertoff) snooping on any U.S. citizen they want...per Bush executive order.
And we will have become a Communist-styled police state, with our intelligence agencies being no different than the KGB, or STASI.
We are heading that way folks. Just look at all the reports of black-shirted DHS agents harassing freedom-loving U.S. citizens across the country. And this activity by the Black Shirts is often occurring without anyone in local government even knowing that a division of Black Shirts has invaded their town.
And the so-called "war on terror" is just the tool being used by the Republican terrorists to sell our freedom, and the freedom of our children, down the river. They are the "ownership society," we are their slaves.
I can smell the stench of Martial Law wafting on the howling Republican wind. And the advance guard of Black Shirts in towns scattered across our freedom-loving country are the corrupted ones who, when ordered by Bush, will storm into action.
February 19th, 2006 at 10:31 pmYellodog, good choice of spelling!
Publicus, it may already be too late.
"It does not matter who votes that counts; it is who counts the votes." - Joseph Stalin
In the past two elections, the decisive factor was a vote certified by a Republican Secretary of State. Now a Republican businessman manufactures the electronic voting machines that count the votes.
The outcomes of the 2006 and 2008 elections may already be decided.
The countervailing force will not be politics this time, nor a popular uprising. It will be an evolutionary shift towards enlightenment. This will be resisted by those who wish to remain in power. Millions will die. But humankind will evolve, in about four to six hundred years....
February 19th, 2006 at 10:41 pmyellodog,
Every little bit helps. Thnaks for doing your part. :)
February 19th, 2006 at 11:02 pmFrom the WaPo on Monday (via Raw Story).
Hagel and Snow would mutiny if Roberts didn't hear them out.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/19/AR2006021901031_pf.html
February 20th, 2006 at 12:01 amMarie,
I did a blog on your link. This si huge. We could finally get some traction if people would get involved. SO, I put a call to can't and all of John D. Rockefeller's contact info.
Good find and good news.
Rockefeller Wiretap Inquiry Motion May Pass
February 20th, 2006 at 1:37 amSo not only can Frist make a diagnosis by watching a video of a brain dead woman, he has is now an expert on law. These liars never cease to amaze me. The sad and scary part is that Americans believe these lies. There must be a lot of non-thinking Americans out there.
PA - vote Chuck Pinnachio US Senate.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:29 amBill Frist Gives Diagnoses Legality Of Domestic Spy Program...
It never fails that in politics, there are people that you can always count on to be on your side. For the Bush administration, one of those people is Senator Bill Frist. Mr. Frist was a renowned heart surgeon before being elected to the senate, and ...
February 20th, 2006 at 10:03 amPLEASE stop using the word "parroting." It's an insult to parrots. Parrots are incredibly intelligent creatures. Frist is, well, not! He mimics the talking points, yes. But no real parrot in their right mind would do that! ;-)
February 20th, 2006 at 2:02 pmNo doubt here that Frist made a long-distance videotaped diagnosis about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and proclaimed the patient is very well indeed. Checks and balances of executive power has never been better said Frist.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmWe need to vote them ALL out, except for Feingold. He is the only one making sense to me. Both parties are apologists for Bush/cronies. Impeachment cannot come soon enough. Too soon, we will be not citizens, but subjects. Those camps they are building are for us, the dissenters. This 9/11 (so-called "war on terror") was the "Pearl Harbor" the Globalists, Zionists, NWO, and the rest of the crackpots, caused or wanted. Next is Martial Law. We all should be very afraid. Indeed, Bush believes he is above the law, and has been in cahoots with the Republicrats to keep the elite in power. It is up to us to make sure elections are fair and we do all we can to promote progressives and liberals. If allowed to remain, Bush will cause this Nation and the environment so much damage that I'm not sure we can recover. There is no more middle class, and class warfare is about to start. I've been following politics since Eisenhower, and Bush is the worst, by far. He is a war criminal as well as a liar and should be indicted. I hope America can recover, but Congress has taken leave of its senses.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pmI would like to see a Fiengold/Daschele ticket in 2008
Both men were threaten with Anthrax by the bandarbushgoons!
February 21st, 2006 at 6:54 amOh, yeah, this program is legal. It's the other secret domestic surveillance programs Frist isn't so sure about!
February 21st, 2006 at 11:52 amThis mis-administration have gelded the opposition with their spy program already. It's a done deal, that is why there is no opposition. They are all being blackmailed into submission. The quaint Constitution is already gone!!
A Repuk congressperson Kevin Tilley, has filed suit against the king and Chicken Cheney and against this spy program. Look for him to die soon in a small plane accident, oh!! so sad, just as soon as US is in a war with Iran.
February 23rd, 2006 at 7:26 amAMERICAN BATTLE PLANS FOR IRAN
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/02/battle_plans_fo_1.html
February 24th, 2006 at 6:10 pm[...] Bill Frist, Senate whorehouse ringleader and the Dr. Mengele of the animal kingdom, told Bob Schieffer last month that he believes Bush’s illegal and unconstitutional NSA program is in fact legal and constitutional because Bush and his Straussian neocon cronies say so, thus reflecting the view of our bought-and-paid-for Congress that no investigation will be forthcoming—or no meaningful investigation at any rate. According to blogger Glenn Greenwald, with a March 7 “vote looming on Sen. Rockefeller’s motion for the Committee to finally hold hearings to investigate the scope and nature of the Administration’s NSA warrantless eavesdropping on American citizens…. Frist specifically threatened … he will fundamentally change the 30-year-old structure and operation of the Senate Intelligence Committee so as to make it like every other Committee, i.e., controlled and dominated by Republicans to advance and rubber-stamp the White House’s agenda rather than exercise meaningful and nonpartisan oversight.” [...]
March 4th, 2006 at 3:43 pm[...] Bill Frist, Senate whorehouse ringleader and the Dr. Mengele of the animal kingdom, told Bob Schieffer last month that he believes Bush’s illegal and unconstitutional NSA program is in fact legal and constitutional because Bush and his Straussian neocon cronies say so, thus reflecting the view of our bought-and-paid-for Congress that no investigation will be forthcoming—or no meaningful investigation at any rate. Of course, if asked, Frist and his fellows would declare the program targets only “al-Qaeda†bad guys placing phone calls from distant caves and tribal areas, when history demonstrates repeatedly such “wiretaps†are directed against American citizens for political reasons [...]
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