Cheney Advisor Won’t Say If “A Beer” Is “Literally One Beer”
Cheney Advisor Won’t Say If “A Beer” Is “Literally One Beer”
Today on Meet the Press, Tim Russert asked Cheney advisor Mary Matalin a reasonable question:
RUSSERT: Was alcohol in any way, shape or form consumed during the afternoon? And should we accept the [Vice] president’s “a beer†as literally one beer?
Matalin didn’t answer it:
MS. MATALIN: What Katharine Armstrong was answering is a literal fact going to the question she was asked, which is always the case on the Armstrong ranch, you don’t drink and hunt, and you don’t hunt with drinkers. And that’s what the sheriff reported, that’s what she reported. It is true that the vice president had a beer at lunch, and let me ask anybody sitting at this table who knows the vice president, has known him for many years, has seen him in social situations, he’s known not to be a drinker. But let me ask you a more logical question—you think the Secret Service would let the vice president out, tanked up, with a loaded gun, or let him be around anybody who’s drunk with a loaded gun? It just defies common sense that the press would even go there. And that’s why these adversarial question-and- answer periods set up the presumption that Cheney would be drunk, or having to deny that Cheney was drunk, as opposed to presuming what we all know, that he doesn’t drink, he wouldn’t hunt and drink, the Secret Service wouldn’t let anybody around him who is drinking and hunting.
Instead of answering the question, Matlin appeals to the ego of Russert and the other panelists. If you are in the know, if you’ve hung out with Cheney, you would know to stop asking these questions.
What’s puzzling is that Matalin insists its a “literal fact” that Cheney doesn’t “drink and hunt” even though he has admitted to drinking before hunting. She also says that the press should have assumed that Cheney “doesn’t drink” even though we know he had beer before and “a cocktail” immediately after the hunt.
The Vice President shot someone in the face, didn’t talk to the police until the next morning and then blamed the person who got shot. The American people, who pay his salary, have the right to know exactly how much Cheney was drinking and if that amount of alcohol would interact with his medications.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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I think Cheney is evil incarnated. But this issue detracts from the others. Cheney should be hammered on Plame, the NSA, torture. This is where the fertile gound is.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI’m more than willing to cover other issues and we have. But we should let the fact that shooting someone in the face is only the third or fourth worst thing going for Cheney mean that we just ignore it all together.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:22 pmWhile this story has as many holes as a sieve, it should probably be relegated to the back pages. Everyone has formed an opinion now and most believe he was drinking, hence the reason for the delay and the contradicting stories (lies and denials)to follow. The SS couldn’t stop Cheney if they wanted - no one tells him what to do. Matalin is a smartass.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:28 pm(Anyone who believes “one beer” literally means one beer has never been drinking, nor knows anyone who has.)
What this story has done is underline that Cheney operates under no one else’s rules, keeps his own counsel, and is a recklessly dangerous man with a lot of power.
It is not like this shows a pattern of incompetence or cover up, does it? I’m just saying that it is a good week for the adiministration when the VP shoots a man in the face and that’s all they have to cover up for the week.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pmCheney will never tell you if he had to many drinks before hunting. Maybe it is partly Mr whittman fault becuse he should of said something that he was there.
If this man had on a orange jacket Cheney should of seen him at the time. It also was getting dark outside and how can you see anything? What are they hiding?
February 19th, 2006 at 4:31 pm“It just defies common sense that the press would even go there.”
what defies common sense is that the press DOESN’T go so many, many places where it COULD and SHOULD go… if beer hadn’t been mentioned by one of the actual principals in the story in the first goddam place, she might have had a teeny-weeny point… (the only teeny-weeny point in HER life is on her mate - sorry - couldn’t resist the snark…) as for the secret service policing cheney’s behavior, all i can say is “puh-l-e-e-e-e-eze…” i can just see one of them leaning over mr. intimidation’s shoulder and saying, “excuse me, mr. vice president, sir… i can’t let you drink that…” it is to laugh…
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February 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pmJudd, no, don’t ignore it — in fact let this Matalin statement run its course — but unless someone actually tells the truth — I don’t think it should take up too much more time.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pmThat Whittington actually apologized for causing Cheney trouble is indicative of how intimidated people who know Cheney are.
Yes, yes, yes, let’s hammer him on all the important issues again, particularly now that his credibility is so doubtful.
Marie
I don’t think it is so much intimidation as supplication. To worship within the “GOP Kult”, one must supplicate oneself to whomever is in power. That way total alignment, regardless of facts, is possible.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:38 pmAnybody who “knows” Cheney knows he has two DUI’s and was kicked out of an ivy league college for drinking.
BTW, does anyone know how to pronounce the man’s name? Most people call him Chay-nee, but Chris Mathews made a big deal out of calling him Chee-nee. You’d think after 5 years as VP we’d at least know how to pronounce the man’s name.
February 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pmHey wush rung wif havin a beer for ya go out shootin the shit outa them terrist quail. Issa merican way I tell ya an you dam librals better lay off or I’ll… oops… damn piss I’ll wash em out later…
February 19th, 2006 at 4:44 pmWasn’t one of the vp’s first acts on returning to the house after the accident to fix himself a cocktail? This was reported by Armstrong. So he’s drinking beer at lunch and cocktails that evening, but he’s known for not drinking. This begs the question, what, then, is considered drinking?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pm#9, I think you’re right — supplication is a more apt term to use for Whittington’s “apology.”
February 19th, 2006 at 5:07 pmI think this is the same advisor who also failed to say if “one neocon” is “literally a terrorist”.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:13 pmIf everything they say is a lie…
Then, is it not correct to conclude that everything they don’t say is the truth?
I guess the big deal about the drunk bud off huntng thing is the endemic lying and spin that surrounds all things in this administration. Here’s a big question:
Who was that other woman with Cheney that saw the accident but has since dissappeared from the picture?
Was Cheney off with his buds and his “girlfriend”?
February 19th, 2006 at 5:36 pmWatch for the name “Pam Willeford” to start showing up. She was along on the trip, but has been very absent and silent since the accident.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:40 pmEven ONE beer for someone not (curently) drinking regularly, in combination with a long list of prescription meds, is MORE than enough to cause problems.
When the drinking becomes acknowledged, and the initial spin wears off, we are going to have to be able to talk alcohol effect theory and practice . . . because . . . “they” will minimize it. The fundies will shake their heads, but basically lay low. The average Joe, who drinks a bunch, won’t say anything because, well, you know, he does it too. The heavy drinkers ain’t about to even peep.
Being able to rationally rebut the argument that “one, or even two beers” is no big deal in this case is important. And who knows how much drinking really occurred.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:49 pmHow pathetic. Liberals have no ideas. They sure have spent a lot of time convincing themselves that having a 3.2 beer at lunch would be considered under the influence of alcohol 3 to 5 hours later. You’d have to weight under 100 lbs for 1 beer to have an entoxicating affect. No one cares. Recent Times poll proves that. Also proves that liberals choose to smear, not lead with ideas.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:57 pmHahahahahaha. To wit, the immediately above comment, er, fairy tale.
February 19th, 2006 at 5:59 pmI think Mary has just burned up any credibility
February 19th, 2006 at 5:59 pmshe had left.
She is useless as a right-wing shill from now on.
That in itself is a good thing.
Now, that unspeakable flower pin is another story
altogether.
Yeah, nice try #18, but that is too ridiculous
February 19th, 2006 at 6:01 pmto sway anyone.
Try to be a little more subtle next time you troll.
You scare all the fish when you splash the lure
that much.
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February 19th, 2006 at 6:02 pmAnd who knows how much drinking really occurred. DonS
Seems you really don’t have anything to argue then.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:06 pmI said I was talking alcohol effect theory. Obviously the real story is not out and may never be. But IF alcohol does become an issue, factual information about medicaiton interactions, and other factors, should be based on reality. Anytime meds are introduced, especially for a professed non-drinker (currently), all bets are off. Period.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:13 pmDick = previously heavy drinker
February 19th, 2006 at 6:15 pmDick = says he was drinking that day
Police put off for 14 hour = very suspicious, and
would never happen with you or me.
Armstrong says contradictory things = cover-up
Shooting someone = reckless or careless
Not telling press = cover-up
Taking Whittington to non-trauma hospital = cover-up
Summary = stinks to high heaven
I don’t know but isn’t it conceivable that a man with 2 DUIs on his record should have at least been questioned by police.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html
February 19th, 2006 at 6:19 pmOne thing I noticed it the shooting account
that I have not heard discussed.
1) Cheney was shooting slightly downhill into
a “hollow” where Harry was.
2) The sun was in his eyes, or some such (I am
a bit suspicious from little league when people
start using the sun as an excuse, but nevermind)
How exactly does that happen?
February 19th, 2006 at 6:23 pmDonS,
February 19th, 2006 at 6:25 pmYes, I’m sure Harry, their partners, Cheney’s on-site doc, and the rest of the hunting party would have participated if the VP was intoxicated. If find it hard to believe.
Judd,
February 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pmYou should have added that the taxpayers footed the bill for this ‘hunt’. Don’t we feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing are taxes are being used so Dick can shoot quails and people?
Funny, It seems that even Cheney’s people are
February 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pmafraid of him.
You think a bully drinker cannot get his way?
Are you living on this planet or some other?
No doubt, the ‘official’ version of the story, otherwise known as the ‘Legal Record’, has more holes in it than the victim’s bird-shot face…
Who cares, so what: once you have Legal Jurisdiction on your side (the Sheriff and Game Warden agreeing with the 50,000 acre property owner-victim), all other things become a matter of pointless argument (Have you the Sheriff on your side? Do you own 50,000 acres in the County?)
All logic aside, so the drunken idiot shot his pal full of birdshot in the face….
He had his pal, the property-owner, and the Sheriff (and the Treasury Pit-Bulls) on his side…
So what; that’s a win for them…
They are above the Law again
…let’s (Us) get them in a larger JurisDiction; more on a Federal level…
So he was drunk and shot his pal; not only w/o a proper stamp, but after dark (a hunter’s SIN! They were shinin’ you know…)…
We’ll get them on People’s Matters; on Iraq…
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February 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pmTo Dickless Cheney, one beer equals 3 or 4 beers.
If that’s the case, then he was drunk.
Mary Matalin should try drinking Colt 45 Malt Liquor and see if her judgement is still clearer. Of course anyone who has had 2 or three of Colt 45 will think that Mary Matalin or Jean Schmidt is more attractive than Christie Brinkley
February 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pm#28
Yes, they would have continued to drink even if they had reason to believe the Cheney may have been somewhat intoxicated.
Generally, underlings won’t stand up to POTUS and VPOTUS because they like their jobs. Telling Cheney not to hunt or ditching him would call for a new doctor and new ambassador to Switzerland.
The Secret Service protects - but from external threats. Cheney can do as he pleases in front of them - they’ll only tell if you get another Special Proescutor.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:33 pmIn the end, Cheney and enablers have made
February 19th, 2006 at 6:33 pmsure we will never know.
That being the case, I will assume the worst
since otherwise they would not have started
the media circus to protect Darth.
Simple logic here, and unless they want to
produce some actual eveidence, I think I
have it right.
#18 Does anyone really think that millionaire Cheney is really drinking Bud Light?? My guess is more like a high dollar, high powered, high alcohol imported beer. Mix that with heart medication (I bet he takes more than one medication) and see what the effects are. Heart/blood pressure medications, etc. are clearly labeled not to be taken with alcohol because it intensifies the effect of dizziness, drowsiness or disorientation that is a side effect of the medication.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:35 pmI thought wallace was banned.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:55 pm#28,
How gullable you are, and naive. You really think these people follow rules, or the people with them follow rules. Heck the Sherrif didn’t even follow his own rules. Secret service would never tell Cheney not to drink and hunt. The doctors are hired servants also.
When friends are drunk, we hisitate to say anything when they go to drive home, usually what gets said is “are you sure your ok?” and they say “yeah” and thats it. What makes you think anyone would question Mr. Cheneys actions? He’s more powerful than Bush, who’s gonna question him? Cheney probably wasn’t legally drunk, the issue is accountability. If it was you or I, the Sherrif would have tested your breath, taken your weapon, and hunting license, probably filed charges. If it was you or I, the victim would also be suing us. You know even your own friends cover for you, why would these people be any different with the vice president? You are stupid.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:55 pmKeep spinning if it makes you feel better, but
February 19th, 2006 at 6:55 pmit is pretty clear there is something to hide
in Cheney’s account.
#36
How gullable you are, and naive. You really think these people follow rules, or the people with them follow rules. Heck the Sherrif didn’t even follow his own rules. Secret service would never tell Cheney not to drink and hunt. The doctors are hired servants also.
When friends are drunk, we hisitate to say anything when they go to drive home, usually what gets said is “are you sure your ok?†and they say “yeah†and thats it. What makes you think anyone would question Mr. Cheneys actions? He’s more powerful than Bush, who’s gonna question him? Cheney probably wasn’t legally drunk, the issue is accountability. If it was you or I, the Sherrif would have tested your breath, taken your weapon, and hunting license, probably filed charges. If it was you or I, the victim would also be suing us. You know even your own friends cover for you, why would these people be any different with the vice president? You are stupid.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:56 pmEnabler is a relavant word for this issue, but I wouldn’t expect all the enabling Right Wingers to be able to see the relavance.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:58 pmYes “For Truth” I did use that word for a reason.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:59 pmGuess it depends on the definition of “drinking” and “drunk” are?
February 19th, 2006 at 7:08 pmYou know, my wife would tell me that if I went to happy hour with the co-workers, that I could have only one beer.
I would have only one beer. It was a pitcher and I would drink it out of the pitcher.
It was just one beer.
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February 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmWhat a pethetic life, posting at sites that have banned you. You would think that with all of the political sites out there that this wwallace guy could find some other blog to harrass, but apparently, he just can’t get enough Think Progress.
Sad worhless little troll.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:27 pm“Enabler is a relavant word for this issue, but I wouldn’t expect all the enabling Right Wingers to be able to see the relavance.” Comment by For Truth — February 19, 2006 @ 6:58 pm
And that’s the reason we should keep pounding this; if we allow Cheney to continue, and not ackowlege that he has a problem, we enable it to happen again. Being V-potus doesn’t make him more than human; he’s subject to the same behaviors as us all.
Wallace, quit ennabling an obviously ill individual! Or is your wife an alcholic also? I could understand your behavior if that’s the case; you can’t help yourself. Have you ever heard of AL-Anon? They have a respectable success rate treating co-dependent behaviors. Check them out.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:27 pmIs Mary Matlin still on the White House Payroll? Is she really still an advisor? Sorta like Victoria Toesing still works for the DOJ?
February 19th, 2006 at 7:34 pmThe after the hunt “cocktail” was to set up plausible deniability.
My blood alcohol is due to the cocktail I had afterwards ….
February 19th, 2006 at 7:37 pmin front of the witnesses ….
Please!
BTW, who is the new Scooter?
February 19th, 2006 at 7:39 pmDidn’t take too long for the troll to
February 19th, 2006 at 7:43 pmlose it, did it?
Temper, temper trollie.
You don’t get your spin across if you sound angry…
like Cheney.
#55 David Addington, notorious weasel-lawyer.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:44 pmSorry, that was for 54.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:45 pmWallace clearly has some sort of Rush Limaugh induced reality perception issues. If anyone has contempt for the constitution it is Bush and his minions. Tell me Wallace, how many hours a day do you listen to Rush.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:50 pmCheney only had one beer! The absolute truth! And both cases were Lone Star–there wasn’t a Bud or Coors in the whole cooler.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:54 pmHere is what Juan Cole has to say about the Parallels to the VP and his depth perception failure: http://www.juancole.com/ 2006/ 02/ top-ten-ways-iraq-is-like-harry.html
February 19th, 2006 at 7:56 pmAs usual, Bush/Cheney supporters change the subject. The speculation arose because no one told the truth to start with. I don’t know if he was drinking, and I don’t know if he was getting something on the side because I don’t know much of anything about what really happened.
After a week, the best I can piece together is that Cheney broke some serious safety rules by turning around to take a shot, by not seeing what he was aiming at before firing, and by shooting down rather than up (birds tend to fly when flushed out).
Beyond that, there are some things that don’t make sense — particularly the way the local law officials handled things. Given the fact that Cheney has said a lot of things that turned out to be false, he doesn’t have a lot of credibility (a fact that he acknowledged), what does Matlin expect? People are going to put 2 and “x” together and get all sorts of “answers.”
Just show a little courage and tell the truth. While you’re at it, try a little consistency. If we can’t pry into his “private” life, why is he so hell bent on prying into mine?
February 19th, 2006 at 7:56 pm#60,
February 19th, 2006 at 7:57 pmWhat # is that one on the sample troll post list?
If you use one off the approved list to you
get extra for being on message or less because
you are not creative?
I suspect more, because being in lock-step
is highly vauled on the right-wing.
2 or 3 hours a day. They keep reminding me of the budget deficit and this stupid and expensive war. Of how I would like to retire one day, but that it will be impossible , due to the feathering of millionaires nests.
February 19th, 2006 at 7:59 pmIs Mary Matlin still on the White House Payroll? Is she really still an advisor? Sorta like Victoria Toesing still works for the DOJ?
It’s worse… maybe someone else can tell (if I remember correctly) she’s in deep with the White House Iraqi Group (WHIG)….
February 19th, 2006 at 8:01 pmCome on — this is just too good a story to drop. Booze, babes and bullets. Conflicting timelines and changing stories. A notorious GOP “party enclave.” A powerful woman who owns most of the county and a compliant Sheriff who declines to investigate at the time of the incident, then submits a Mayberry-grade police report. A shooting. The Halliburton connection. White House intrigue. And a victim who blames himself.
This would have been a GREAT season cliffhanger for “Dallas.”
February 19th, 2006 at 8:06 pmIt all depends on what the meaning of “beer” is.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:11 pm#67,
February 19th, 2006 at 8:14 pmI like “Mayberry-grade”, I think that’s
a keeper.
You make it sound like maybe everything isn’t
on the up and up. How could that be with
the “grown-ups” in charge?
You just had to bring up the I am so sorry
for letting you shoot me aspect of the story, too.
Yes, Matalin is a member of the WHIG.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:16 pmShe’s in deep.
Avenging angel you have truly asked the most universal question of all. What the meaning of “beer” is. If I was going to have one “beer’ it would be Ommegang, Cooperstown’s finest. Helps me shoot straight.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:18 pmImagine the scene at the ranch after the shooting. Cheney’s Dr. monitoring his heart. While the conversation centers around how much trouble he will be in.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:21 pmWhat if the sherrif check my bac. We won’t even let that sherrif in the compound. But what if he’s a busy body do- gooder and insists on seeing you? Fix me a stiff drink. I can always claim that I was so shook up from shooting, that guy that I needed a drink afterwords to calm my nerves. Then Cheney pauses for dramatic effect and slowly stares around the room and says: If anyone says anything I will crush them.
Halliburtons continued profitability was in grave danger.
In reply to #53 ‘The after the hunt “cocktail†was to set up plausible deniability.
My blood alcohol is due to the cocktail I had afterwards ….
in front of the witnesses ….
Please!
Comment by Botany — February 19, 2006 @ 7:37 pm’
I wondered about that quote from Armstrong. She made this statement after it was too late for tests to be done. I wonder if it was for the benefit of someone in the party, (the other hunter’s husband, maybe), that they feared might not have been as willing to go along with the “No, zero, zippo” story. I’m sure they would have used it for the benefit of the police too, if they couldn’t have turned them around at the gate. But since they did avoid that little problem, she really didn’t have to mention the drink afterwards.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:22 pm#69 Sorry, I just couldn’t leave out Harry “Thank-You-Sir-May-I-Have-Another” Whittington.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:25 pmAnyone with teenage son or daughter will recognize this progression:
1. There was NO liquor
2. OK, there was maybe SOME liquor, but no one was drinking it
3. OK, SOME people were drinking the liquor, but that was HOURS ago
4. OK, I DID drink — but it was only ONE
Oh, and just remember:
1. NOBODY drinks when they’re hunting
2. NOBODY hunts with a guy who’s been drinking
3. Anybody who knows Dick Cheney knows that he doesn’t drink
4. Dick Cheney CAN’T drink because of his heart condition and meds
5. Dick Cheney was drinking before a hunt where he shot a man
Some of these statements cannot be true, even though I keep hearing ALL of them, ;->
February 19th, 2006 at 8:39 pm#75,
They can all be true as long as the same right-wing shill
February 19th, 2006 at 8:46 pmdoes not say them at exactly the same time.
I think it must be a right-wing “exception”
to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
#76 I think you’re on to a deep principle of physics. But let’s try “Schrodinger’s Drunken Cat”:
As long as the Sheriff doesn’t open the box, there is an even probability that the cat inside the box is either drunk or sober.
But whenever the Sheriff finally gets around to opening the box, the cat is invariably sober.
February 19th, 2006 at 8:52 pm#77,
February 19th, 2006 at 8:55 pmTouche!
Who is Pam Willeford? I suppose it’s considered the height of sophistication for Cheney to pair up for a hunting party with an attractive woman whom his wife disapproves of. The following comment was found in the Huffington Post a couple of days ago.
—————
Quail hunting can be a lot of fun; there’s no need to drink alcohol to make it better.
Quail don’t always go for a lot of height when flushed; but shooting lower than flat can be damned hard on some valuable and often beloved dogs.
Anyone turning to shoot, especially more than 90 degrees past peripheral vision, should take greater care about new things in the field of fire.
Arianna, are you giving the Willeford woman a pass? That part of the story could be very ongoing. I read somewhere Lynn Cheney didn’t like hubby spending time with that particular lady. Enquiring minds want to know.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:28 pmPosted by: Wintermute on February 17, 2006 at 09:35pm
I want the few minutes it took me to read this garbage back. Do something creative instead of harping on something that is not signifigant. Yes, hunting and drinking are a bad combo. but 1, 2, or 3 beers isnt going to make any difference in this accident.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI believe Mary Matlin works for a publisher now..I think it’s Simon and Schuster. She appears to be very busy with all her jobs so why would the VP’s office call her in to handle this mess. Also the rumors are flying about Pamela Willeford the ambassador Switzerland and Cheney, I think this is one of the main reasons for the delay and cover-up.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:37 pm#80,
If that spin makes you happy, hey go for it!
February 19th, 2006 at 9:40 pmAs for the time, why don’t you head off in
a rocket at near the speed of light?
The clock will run slow and you can get your
time back!
The bonus is that you will be far, far away.
Well, you have to come back to get your time back,
but at least I will have peace until then.
What really happened on the Armstrong Ranch? Here are some possible explanations:
February 19th, 2006 at 9:41 pmhttp://jonswift.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 02/ what-really-happened-on-armstrong.html
#I want the few minutes it took me to read this garbage back. Do something creative instead of harping on something that is not signifigant. Yes, hunting and drinking are a bad combo. but 1, 2, or 3 beers isnt going to make any difference in this accident.
Comment by no — February 19, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
You are right. Cheney would have spun around and Shot the man even if he hadnt been drinking.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:51 pmBut that makes it all the Much Worse doesnt it?
I mean he has no excuse if he wasnt drinking right?
Anybody who “knows†Cheney knows he has two DUI’s and was kicked out of an ivy league college for drinking.
BTW, does anyone know how to pronounce the man’s name? Most people call him Chay-nee, but Chris Mathews made a big deal out of calling him Chee-nee. You’d think after 5 years as VP we’d at least know how to pronounce the man’s name.
Comment by Lee — February 19, 2006 @
After Addington and Cheneys Torture memos and Bushs interpretive Sigining Statement of that No torture Bill (which Bush ’signed’ so he could STILL Rendition people anyway)
the Torturer Cheney is Now just ‘Chainme’
Chain-mee
February 19th, 2006 at 9:56 pmwhipp mee
beat mee
#75 — Brilliant! Exactly how this ridiculous story has unfolded.
Armstrong said “Oh there was beer in the cooler but I don’t think anyone had any.” So, if you don’t drink and hunt at the Armstrong ranch, as Matalin says, why was there a coller of beer provided?
February 19th, 2006 at 9:57 pmIn one of her statements, Armstrong said that Whittington was alert after the shooting, and joking with other members of the hunt party about the incident.
In hindsight, I believe she just THOUGHT someone was telling jokes, because Whittington kept saying, “Stop it. You’re killing me.”
February 19th, 2006 at 10:01 pm#
Avenging angel you have truly asked the most universal question of all. What the meaning of “beer†is. If I was going to have one “beer’ it would be Ommegang, Cooperstown’s finest. Helps me shoot straight.
Comment by the fly-man — February 19, 2006 @ 8:18 pm
Its a Granola Bar in a bottle. Hops n Grains n barley..with spring water =)
February 19th, 2006 at 10:02 pmBravo Judd you hit the nail on the head with this thread on Dick Cheney > he drank an unknown number of beers before he shot Harry Whittington and admitted drinking at least one cocktail after he shot Harry, so Dicky was under the influence of alcohol, and the reason why he waited to talk to Deputy Sheriff until 8:00AM Sunday morning > 14+ hours afterwards!
February 19th, 2006 at 10:02 pmI said it last week and I’ll say it again.
EVERYONE talking to the cops says they just had “one beer”.
February 19th, 2006 at 10:27 pmRussert gatta go! _kevo
February 19th, 2006 at 10:42 pmI just saw the rerun of Meet The Press on MSNBC. Matlin gives the impression that people can’t hardly go quail hunting without shooting each other. Coupled with the fact that she looks like Madame from Wayland and Madame, made for hilarious viewing. It always amazes me the logical acrobatics that these Bushistas perform to defend the indefensible. Dowd was on as well and made some excelent points, as usual.
February 19th, 2006 at 10:58 pmThe Vice President of the United States owes it to the American people to explain exactly how much alcohol he consumed, precisely when he consumed it, and specifically what medications he had in his system the day that he shot a man. Anything less is an outrageous abdication of his public responsibility. It’s pretty clear from Matalin’s non-answer (after Armstrong’s false statements) that “a beer with lunch” does not mean one beer around noontime with a meal.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:18 pmThe Vice President of the United States owes it to the American people to explain exactly how much alcohol he consumed, precisely when he consumed it, and specifically what medications he had in his system the day that he shot a man
Comment by twc — February 19, 2006 @ 11:18 pm
As Vice President Cheney might say, that horse has already left the barn.
When they kept him from the Police for long enough for the Alcohol to leave his bloodstream that ship sailed out of port.
But you can look at the signs to get an idea of what he may or may have not consumed.
The biggest sign is what they did after the shooting.
They fed him “cocktails”.
Cocktails usually mean real booze, not just beer.
Why Cocktails? Why not a beer?
Maybe he had enough beer already?
Most people switch to hard liquor when they’ve been drinking beer and need to suddenly get drunker.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:28 pmWAIT A MINUTE, YOU MISSED THE BIGGEST LIE OF ALL;
Cheney doesn’t drink? No history of it?
He has two DUIs.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html
February 19th, 2006 at 11:30 pmi wish the media would have given this much attention to cheney, as much as they gave to the Dean yelp, when Cheney screamed and cussed (using the “F” word) in the House on the Hill.
February 19th, 2006 at 11:41 pm[…] Mary Matalin - advisor to Dick Cheney - appeared on Meet the Press earlier today and refused to nail down exactly what “a beer” means in ounces, quantity, and/or alcohol content: TIM RUSSERT: Was alcohol in any way, shape or form consumed during the afternoon? And should we accept the [Vice] president’s “a beer†as literally one beer? […]
February 20th, 2006 at 12:20 amAll Mary Matalin had to say basically is its none of our business and we should not be interested.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:55 am#10 - Lee,
February 20th, 2006 at 12:55 amThe correct pronunciation is pisshead.
I feel sorry for James Carville because his wife Mary Matalin is a mean lying GOP operative woman! I think she steals Carville’s ideas now and uses them to help Cheney!
As for Dicky he refuses to even say what brand of beer he drank or the size of the bottle > could’ve been a high alcohol foreign beer in one of those oversize bottles or cans? Drinking the hard booze “cocktails” was the cover for being drunk on beer, so he drank the whiskey in front of witnesses so he had a alibi for the Sheriff!
February 20th, 2006 at 1:12 amBy the bye, the last post required about 3 attempts. I wonder if the staff ever learned enough Deutsche to verstehen what vic means in that language.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:29 am#92,94 - me,
February 20th, 2006 at 1:51 amWe also spoke an obscure dialect at home when I was a kid. It was called Aleman (or something like that). It was a cross between German, Indian and Turkish which eventually became Yiddish.
The comment about Cheney not being a drinker is… well, it’s pretty stupid. He’s got a decent track record of lifting the glass. And lifting the glass and grabbing the keys too:
February 20th, 2006 at 2:05 amhttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheneydwi1.html
My theory is that he didn’t appear drunk at all.
Because everyone else on record was more drunk.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:08 amAs someone else pointed out, the more a screw-up like this gets concentrated on, the lower the president’s numbers go.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:16 amLike Alter at Newsweek says, sometimes the coverage is a metaphor for how the administration is viewed in general.
Let’s not worry too much about overexposure on this one, ok.
Cheney shooting story in its ‘last throes?’…
Not so you’d notice….
February 20th, 2006 at 2:34 amA friend and I were discussing the “incident” today. We mused over the notion of what might have been the “spin”, had Mr. Whittington died from the shooting I said that if he had died, someone other than Dick would have been holding the gun, making Dick a witness, instead. My friend then said,”if Dick killed him, he wouldn’t have even been hunting, he would have died somewhere else, from something else. Really got me thinking, you know?!? And I am thinking his “condition” remains critical, for the time being. I’m sure he was advised to take a loooong break to recover.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:56 amYou’d drink, too, if you had to work for a sadistic snot like George Bush. So go easy on Dick Cheney, who is something of a sadistic snot himself, more’s the pity. Say! I’m told that Winston Churchill drank a quart of Scotch a day without shooting anyone in the face. So being a drunkard isn’t so dreadful after all. You can’t measure everything by Boris Yeltsin Standards.
Cheney’s booze problem humanizes him. Admit it. Drinking brought him to a one on one with Brit Hume in which Cheney wore a pink neck tie and admitted feelings. Yes, feelings. This guy is a horned toad, and anything that awakens feelings in somebody like that is a good thing.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:01 am#101 Dennis you should consider stand up, you could give Bill Mahar a run for his money
February 20th, 2006 at 3:35 amJust a thought.
What if things had been reversed that late Saturday afternoon and it had been Harry Whittington who forgot to check to make sure his shotgun’s safety was on, and his shotgun had accidentally fired, shooting and severely wounding Dick Cheney…instead of the other way around?
Would the Cheney entourage have handled things differently?
Would they have delayed the announcement of Cheney’s shooting?
Would they have reported it first through an Armstrong family contact at the Corpus Christi Caller-Times?
Would they have kept news reporters and camera crews away from the scene of the shooting accident?
If the other way around, poor Mr. Whittington would be suffering from a lot more than all the birdshot wounds he suffered when Dick Cheney clumsily blasted him.
The right-winger talking heads would have come down on him like a ton of bricks. They would have been calling for criminal negligence charges to be brought against him.
Of course, this would have all depended on how the Secret Service detailed to guard Dick Cheney responded. Would they have wrestled poor Mr. Whittington to the ground, or shot him if he didn’t lower his shotgun immediately.
Anyway, for some reason I have the distinct feeling that everything that happened after the shooting last Saturday would have been done completely different if the shooting roles had been reversed.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:22 amIt just defies common sense, hey? ….
Why wasn’t Cheney releasing the ‘blurry’ details to the press? He was living them. I think anyone who shoots a friend can perfectly remember every horrible detail for years and years to come. Why wasn’t Cheney talking? Cuz he felt bad about what happened? Maybe he should stop commenting on the Iraq war as well then.
Why can they, the administration and their friends, get away with lies and disrespect of the very law that gives them their jobs?? It defies common sense. Justice is all about common sense, ‘justice’ is ‘just this’. Still even the most basic of laws don’t seem to apply to anyone who knows George Bush personally.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:53 amI noticed on the MTP re-run that Mary said she was on the phone with Cheney at 7am Sunday which would be before Kath. called the local paper. She was,then,a part of the decision to have the news go out this way. No wonder she was so insistent that Cheney handled this the “right” way,it was at least in part her strategy.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:45 amAs is typical of the Sunday shows,no one followed up on this and allowed her to constantly get her points across.
I don’t like the fact that Cheney didn’t have a breath test immediately after the incident. What if Cheney was driving a car and hit someone. He tells the officer that he had a beer earlier. Now if it was you or me we know we are getting tested for DUI. I couldn’t just go home and tell the police to talk to me in the morning. I think thats why this story will live on. Cheney has set a great example how people can get away things others can’t. So I guess now its ok to talk to the police when you feel like it after you shoot your hunting buddy.I’m not naive to think people who hunt might be drinking but they still have to face the music like a man when the goof.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:29 amWhen Cheney rushed back to Armstrong Ranch and downed cocktails he tampered with evidence. Did he do so knowingly? Alcoholics are very devious that way. Cheney’s been arrested twice in his life for DUIs and those aren’t the only drinking scrapes he’s been in.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:33 amI HAD A SALAD ON THANKSGIVING. I also had a turkey, dressing, and sweet potatoes…
CHENEY NEVER SAID HE HAD ONE BEER. He said he had “a” beer, a statement that is “technically true” even when a person has consumed more.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:38 amIm sorry Mary dear ….I dont know DICK but I do know he does have a relationship with drinking and he has a couple of DUI’s to prove it…..Plus I have been at events where your judgement has been imapired as well ….I am hoping you were imbibing before your MTP appearance thsi Sunday because that could be the only explantion for your break from what you call the “reality” …..The bubble you live in is a Champagne bubble of corruption and lies …..And Tim do us a favor and don’t give her the last word ……She didnt deserve it after she used your program for propaganda and lies …Spin is spin but come on Tim SHE WAS BLATANTLT LYING!!!!!!!!!
February 20th, 2006 at 8:55 amLook, if we can’t even get the truth on the creation of the nation’s energy policy, how are we ever going to get the truth about the vice president’s almost wasting a guy through (possibly drunken) negligence?
I’m starting to sympathize with those who say we ought to leave this story to the Jay Lenos of the world, who will have a built-in cheap joke every time Cheney comes up in the news. The Administration is openly trying to dismantle the Constitution and we’re fussing about how much beer the VP drank.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:05 amWho blamed the victim? We’re already in danger of being completely distracted by this stupid story, so let’s not twist it any further. Did you mean to say that Cheney blamed the person who got shot? The link is to McClellan’s press briefing, where we read that he blamed the victim in an oblique way. Try to be a little more measured in your statements, Judd.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:21 amVPOTUS had consumed enough alcohol to warrent the delay in
February 20th, 2006 at 9:35 amadmitting and reporting what happened, period.
Panic and choas after shot notwithstanding — under no circumstances could VPOTUS be available for any inquiry whatsover!!!
The risk of that becoming known would have resulted in his
resignation in disgrace.
Not gonna happen with ole Dick.
That Mary was allowed to go on dismemble some more was more damage uncontrol, and a net loss for the VP’s crediblity.
I’m so tired of hearing about this story. The guy Cheney shot did hold some responsibility, just like Cheney held some of the responsibility. It was an accident. He didn’t shoot him in the face, he got peppered by overshot. Let’s move on.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:46 amPoor business babe… tired of hearing how the most powerful man in the world truly lives by different rules. It does make the head ache. You should probably stay away from the news.
And as for “peppered by overshot”, are you a Pajamas Media blogger by any chance? Those are exact republican talking points. FYI, the piece of metal that hit him in the heart, and is still lodged there, was not “overshot” or “overspray” or a “sprinkle”… it was travelling fast enough to pierce Whittington’s orange overjacket, his parka, perhaps a sweater, a shirt, his skin and all the way into his heart muscle. IE, Whittington was shot from perhaps 30 feet or closer. Not 30 or 90 yards. The “impact” pattern on Whittington’s face, shoulder and upper torso also indicates a close shot.
But nice try.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:14 amWatching at most two episodes of COPS will tell you what “a beer” means. It means six. Or More.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:29 amMary Matalin should try drinking Colt 45 Malt Liquor and see if her judgement is still clearer. Of course anyone who has had 2 or three of Colt 45 will think that Mary Matalin or Jean Schmidt is more attractive than Christie Brinkley
Comment by JIMBO
That’s funny. White folk don’t drink that shit J at least not anyone with a triple didget IQ. We make that crap just for y’all.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:26 amI don’t think you are old enough, IRI, to declare what White FolK drink.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:02 pm“triple didget IQ?” That obviously excludes someone who can’t spell digit.
[…] Think progress covers his advisors comments with “Meet the Press” here. […]
February 20th, 2006 at 12:19 pmThe People Around Dick Cheney…
I turned on the television Sunday morning and was hit smack in the face with a stark, brutal, crystal-clear image of war.
My 10-year-old visiting nie……
February 20th, 2006 at 12:24 pm[…] Look at this exchange (via ThinkProgress): RUSSERT: Was alcohol in any way, shape or form consumed during the afternoon? And should we accept the [Vice] president’s “a beer†as literally one beer? […]
February 20th, 2006 at 12:25 pmAlex Jones did a testing of the same shotgun that Cheney used and he determined that Whittington was shot from 12 to 18 feet away max! Dick’s hunting accident story is bogus, since he claimed that Harry was 30 yds/90 feet away from him! For the pellets to bore thru Harry’s clothes and penetrate his chest cavity proves a close-in shot by Dick! There are two choices here: 1) Cheney was so sloshed on booze that he could not remember Whittington at his left 15 feet away and fired at him in stupidity, or 2) Dick had a argument with Harry and shot him intentionally? Harry was able to turn His face to the left at the last moment before being hit by pellets, so was not hit directly to his face straight on which would have killed him! Only the Secret Service and the Swiss Miss Ambassador know what really happened on Saturday, but they do not want to talk to press about it, or have been threatened to remain silent?!
February 20th, 2006 at 12:31 pm#116, #117 - Solitaire,
February 20th, 2006 at 12:50 pmIRI left out the decimal point, it’s right in front of the first digit. The test was issued 1224 times and they took the average.
#121 - Jay Randal,
February 20th, 2006 at 12:58 pmI did some calcs based on muzzle velocity, dispersal and penetration and came up with 3-4 meters. I assumed that a “sportsman” like Deadeye Dick would leave the choke wide open. And that was merely an exercise in math.
WaltTheMan go to prisonplanet.com and watch the video by Alex Jones on testing the shotgun with some ballistic experts! The real facts about the shooting are being covered up by Cheney’s operatives, like Mary Matalin, so we have another conspiracy of some sort! I think Cheney has a terrible temper, and old Harry pissed him off, so Dicky blasted him but felt bad about it afterwards! Secret Service guys are scared about losing their jobs, so they remain silent like the Swiss Miss Ambassador!
February 20th, 2006 at 1:36 pmOur local paper has an online poll today with the following question; note that I live in Northeast Tenn. which is heavily Republican.
“Do you think VP Cheney is an asset or liability for the Bush administration?”
Asset: 159 (42%)
Liability: 216 (58%)
Total votes: 375.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:00 pmDrinking and shooting your buddies…
Politicians know that every move they make and every word they utter will be micro-analyzed by the news and public.
We’ll want to know details about the time they may have inhaled. We’ll want to know exactly how they define sexual relations. We’l…
February 20th, 2006 at 2:34 pmMan, I looked at the video, and lemme tell you, Mary Matalin was doing the best imitation of a crazy woman since Joan Sutherland was singing “Lucia di Lammermoor” at the Met back in the halcyon days of the early Reagan era.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:00 pmA simple question to Miss Ritalin: If the VP doesn’t drink, why did he refuse to see the sheriff’s deputy on Saturday night?
February 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pmNo one said that the VP doesn’t drink, instead in the early exchanges, it was said that he did not drink prior to or during the hunt. It also came out that he had a cocktail after returning from the “hunt”. Later, it came out that the Great White Hunter had one beer during lunch (container size unspecified). I suspect that the cocktail was either a Texas Rob Roy or a Texas Martini. Each use a half liter of Scotch or Gin (100 proof) thinned down with one jigger of the appropriate vermouth and garnish. This would have made any effort by the sheriff’s office to interview the Dick futile. He was under the table.
February 20th, 2006 at 6:45 pmWhite folk don’t drink that shit J at least not anyone with a triple didget IQ. We make that crap just for y’all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 11:26 am
It looks like the Jury is in on this one. I-RACIST-I has clearly shown he is most likely a NeoNazi piglet living somewhere in Idaho, or any other place where he can afford and get away with living in a secured compound.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:35 pm#116 - “Of course anyone who has had 2 or three of Colt 45 will think that Mary Matalin or Jean Schmidt is more attractive than Christie Brinkley - Comment by JIMBO
February 20th, 2006 at 8:35 pm******Actually JimBOB, Mary told me that in order to get between the sheets with that husband of hers, she needs at LEAST three shots of Chivas - no time to “sip[ and savor” when you’ve got an aroused martian chasing you around the bedroom….
It is always the “grandiosity” of the office when answering questions like this:
It’s always, “Do you really think the right honorable vice-president would do that?” OR “Do you really think that the Secret Service would allow that to happen?”
I don’t know, dumbass, you tell us!
February 20th, 2006 at 8:56 pmIt’s obvious that Cheney was blitzed on alcohol the day of the shooting > sleeping it off overnight is how a drunk sobers up! I am sure early Sunday morning his helpers got him into the shower, and poured coffee down his gullet, so he was ready for the brief chat with Deputy Sheriff at 8:30AM! If the Sheriff had seen him at 8:30PM Sunday night, then Dicky would have been exposed as intoxicated! Secret Service did their part to keep law enforcement and press in the dark! Poor Harry Whittington had to be told to shut-up!
February 20th, 2006 at 10:25 pmCorrection > 8:30PM Saturday night …NOT Sunday night!
February 21st, 2006 at 2:10 amDont yall kno bout the beer laws?
If your drunk and spill your beer, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
if your drunk and lose your beer, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
If your drunk and find your beer, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
If your drunk and beer gets hot, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count
If your drunk and beer gets Flat, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
If your drunk and lose count, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
If your drunk and pour your beer into a glass, even though its 3/4 empty it doesnt count.
See, you can never ever HAVE more than Just One Beer.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:43 amAddington should have taken that picture off his office Wall (Cheney Shooting Gun) and given it to Dick with a Legal Disclaimer on the Back and Dick also see how to fire the gun AWAY from people.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:50 amThe only question that comes to my mind is: Where is the Mothers Against Drunk Hunters on this issue?
February 21st, 2006 at 4:43 amCheney was drunk…
…shot a man…
…and because he’s a rich al Cracker traitor scum and the man he shot was a rich al Cracker traitor scum…
…and Cheney’s republiscum party gives this traitor big bucks for favors…
..and the inept little sheriff’s office in bumfu*k Texas was cowed by the traitors in the Secret Brownshirt Private Bushite Security Service…
…and couldn’t investigate a hangnail…
Cheney’s riding off into the sunset…
This is al Cracker America…
…where the double standard for the rich, privileged and politically well connected WASP al Cracker traitors/terrorists continues to take a giant sh*t on the we the “little people”…
February 21st, 2006 at 12:15 pmWhat would the odds be of accidently shooting a stationary person at ground level, thirty yards away while “leading” aim at a bird in upward flight with a shotgun? Now, what would the odds be of accidently shooting a stationary person at ground level, thirty yards away after mistakedly identifying the person as a bird, with a shotgun? Even if one hasn’t had “a beer,” overanxiety often causes firearms accidents.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmMary M has been Cheney’s ‘Spin Witch’ for a long time. She was brought in as damage control & Russert let her piss & moan as long as she wished. Note how Maureen D. had about 1 minute air time.
February 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmI’ve hunted all my life. To do the damage Cheney did with a 28 gauge shotgun, he had to be 15 yards or closer.
When lies become obvious, it’s time to change the leadership.
#1 I agree Cheney is evil.but i don’t think he started that way.He’s just done so many evil things in his life it’s taken him.
February 21st, 2006 at 4:53 pmOh & 1 other thing Weird Al Yankovic must Be Psychic because his Song Trigger Happy Seems tailor made for Cheney’s mishap.
February 21st, 2006 at 5:02 pmCheney Jokes by MarkymarkB:
1. What did Cheney say after the hunt? “It wasn’t the beers that fucked me up, it was the shot!”
2. Cheney was thinking quail when he should have been thinking -duck!
3. What do you get when you mix the V -POTUS with a beer? A hunting accident.
4. What was Cheney’s favorite childhood game? Hide and seek.
5. What was the first thing to go through Whittington’s head apon seeing Cheney aiming in his direction? Bird shot. What was the second thing to go through Whittington’s head during the moment of the hunting accident? Dick!
6. And the best joke surrounding the Cheney shooting accident. Some people are dumb enough to buy their story. Hahahahaha.
February 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmThis is the most pathetic debate I have ever experienced. There are so many REAL issues to debate. Having a beer hours before hunting is a non story. You people are so desperate to find scandal your making fools of yourselves. Not to mention that whoever wrote this orginal story has no idea what they are talking about. Mary is not a Cheney advisory, she no longer works for him. I mean a little homework would help keep you guys from looking like such fools. Get over it you lost and you will continue to loose because all you do is come up with conspiracies and have absolutely no ideas of your own. Good luck in 06′ your going to need it.
February 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 amYou know maybe I was in a coma during the entire Clinton administration but for some reason I dont remember any of you out there screaming about a secretive white house. The Clinton White House was the most investigated and most secrative in modern history. That’s not an opinion that’s a fact. Look through the press briefings and you will see that they had more non-comments on important issues than any president since the start of the White House press core. But hay guys don’t let the facts get in the way of a great “the vp got drunk and blasted his friend in the face and covered it up” story. I’m sure you’re all getting very excited over this. Lets just see where it goes. I’ll check back with you in two years and you will still be out of power and making up bs to complain about.
February 22nd, 2006 at 8:59 amI drank a beer yesterday afternoon at home. I drove my car 3-4 hours later. I guess I’m guilty of drinking and driving. I will turn myself in later today. Thanks folks for setting me straight I feel really bad now. In fact I once drank a beer at lunch and took care of my son that night after school, damnit now I have to turn myself into child protective services. I mean I was obviously putting him in danger. The funny thing is I wonder how many of you who posted on here sucked on the end of your bong before you posted. That should be another law, no more smoking weed before trying to comment on political (accidental shooting=political??) matters.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:05 amTo the moron who posted the comments about the Texas rob roy or Texas martini containing ONE LITER of scotch. You are by far the biggest moron who has ever posted on here. Do you have any idea how much one liter is? A jigger of vermouth wouldn’t “thin” down a liter of scotch any more than a drop of water in a gallon of rubbing alcohol. Funny how some dumbass from god knows where has it narrowed down to only two possible cocktails. Both of which contain “a liter of scotch”. I think you might have drank a liter of scotch before you wrote that. Oh and by the way that’s not how either of those drinks is made, but hey why should the facts matter, it was a great story.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:21 amI wouldn’t let my dick out with a gun. That’s gotta be dangerous…
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 amIf Dick had been in the military he would have known how to handle a weapon. What is this Swiss Miss angle? Does cheney take viagria?
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amhope we get some answers…
If Dick had been in the military he would have known how to handle a weapon. What is this Swiss Miss angle? Does cheney take viagria?
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 amhope we get some answers…
When the sheriff of Kennedy(!) County, Texas, wrote this incident off as an “accident”, I thought the Whitehouse was surely very relieved to hear that “chap acquit Dick!”
February 28th, 2006 at 5:06 pmConcerning: Comment by A Concerned Citizen:
“This was his plan from the start!!! Bankrupt the USA, Allow Oil companies to RAPE the WORLD and pass the buck to the inheritors of all this blood for oil…..our children, grnadchildren and their kids……how we allow this to happen without a fight is beyond me…..call your corrupt govenment official and let them know how you feel….yell at them so they get the point….harrassment is better than blood
Comment by A Concerned Citizen — March 21, 2006 @ 2:50 pmâ€
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Good for you! This is exactly what your spineless governement wants you and ever other activist to do so the NSA can start recording your conversations and reserve a jail cell for you in the future !
Do you realize that everytime you support Corporate America by spending your paycheck on the new and latest thing, you are actually supporting the war effort. Is this not what the Oil Companies want? and all the Rich Elite - who own all the Fortune 500 companies - Want? War?
If you really want to put pressure on the Government as an individual, I sugget you get CORPORATE AMERICA where it hurts, “in the pocket bookâ€.
Here is what I did starting back in May of 2003 just 2 months after the War was started to help force change in my own way. I hope 85 Million Americans will do what I have done or some of it to help force change!
A month after the IRAQ I decided to close down my business.
I filed bankruptcy a year later and without a lawyer! (very difficult to do) and I was able to Keep Everything to sell in the future and live on for a few years without having to work!
I have since quit working at all.
I have not paid any federal taxes in 3 years. “If you don’t make 10K a year, you don’t pay taxes, its that simple !
I don’t have a credit card ! So I have a “Balanced Budget†!
My cellphone is $10 a month ! (Trac-Phone…. Best deal on the Market - No Cotract)
I buy things at yard sales (No taxes)!
I go to outreach programs for food and clothing!
I don’t buy products from certain manufactures who give money to Republicans !
I went to 8 different insurance agent offices until I found the cheapest rate possible, in writing!
I will continue driving the same vehicle until the IRAQ War is over.
I have based my current actions in life and liberty on how to do my part to help stop this WAR, Each action I take is carefully evaluated to see if I can do it in a way to save money. This miser minded approach will allow me to not work for Corporate AMerica, Not spend my money in Corporate America Stores; and I will never have to pay back the money that this “Borrow and Spend President†has used in this immoral WAR !
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Now, not everyone can do what I have done and use a crazy “Give Up Your Life†way to revolt but, I will only do this until the WAR in IRAQ is over. I will then try and get back to normal, or what ever that is.
Consider these options in revolting against this Corrupt Corporate America (Government):
Shop until it hurts to find the best price and only buy what is absolultely necessary to survive on a new balanced budget! Yes, that means all the credit cards have to GO! and get a ATM Debit Card that takes money out of your 1 and only checking account.
Tell the family that do to the “HIGH COST OF GASOLINE†and possible economic problems in the near future as a result of G.W. Bush bankrupting America (Insert what you want to say) some things need to be changed for just a little while!
New Rules: 1-10.
You can come up with all kinds of things that can piss off your spouse, children, etc. but, that is not what you wan to do to help stop the WAR in IRAQ.
Choosing to limit excess pleasures and put money towards bills and get out of DEBT!
Who needs 5 cell phones?
Who needs to eat out every night of the week?
Who needs to rent new videos/movides every night?
Who needs to have premium channels?
Who needs to have 1, 2 or 3 new cars that suck on gas (SUV’s)?
Who needs to have multiple homes (Housing Market bubble is here - Sell Now)?
Who needs to working a full-time slave job just pay the bills and other peoples taxes?
Who needs to join a gym when you can walk and run at a park, etc.
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It wont’ be easy save money and help stop the war if you don’t evaluate and plan properly!
Take a seat and spend 3 hours a night for a full week to draw a “reduction of expenses until the war is over planâ€. Get feedback from each family member on “If we had to cut back on some things, what could go?â€
Most likely your going to get some strong, “What’s the Problem; I can’t do that; We have money in the bank, don’t we?; We can sell the house in the future, pay off the bills and retire in the future with all kinds of money, right?â€
I live on a day by day basis with not a worry. Don’t get me wrong, it is not where I want to be at this pion in my life but, that is the beauty of it all -
“I can move or even leave this country if I want to as I don’t owe a dime to anyone!†No bills, no restraints, no problems.
Think about what you can do to limit expense until the WAR IS OVER!
Think about what things you can to do to limit tax payments unitl the WAR IS OVE