Bush’s Backtrack: Freezes Pell Grants For Fourth Straight Year
Bush’s Backtrack: Freezes Pell Grants For Fourth Straight Year
Bush, 1/14/05:
We want to increase the Pell Grants by $100 a year over — $100 per year over the next five years.
Bush, 2/2/05:
[W]e’ll make it easier for Americans to afford a college education, by increasing the size of Pell Grants.
A year later, the president has completely backed away from his promises. The President’s FY ‘07 budget freezes the Pell Grant for the fourth year in a row. The maximum Pell Grant remains $4,050.
Meanwhile, the costs of higher education continue to skyrocket. The maximum Pell Grant covers only 33% of the average cost of attending a 4-year public university. Between 2001 and 2010, 4.4 million low- and moderate-income academically-qualified students forgo college because of the prohibitive costs.
The administration should work to make college more affordable for all students. Until this goal can be achieved, we need to make federal, state and institutional aid more widely available, especially to those with the greatest financial need.
– Elena Rocha
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HOW MUCH BLOODY LONGER IS THIS WAR ON TERROR GOING ON THERS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT..
February 20th, 2006 at 11:27 amrelease Gauntamamo inmates
get out of Iraq
STAY AT HOME AND LEAVE THE WORLD TO GET ON WITHOUT YOU ARSEHOLES
also get out of Afghanistan IM fed up of America destablizing the UK with its cheap sales of heroin …WANKERS
February 20th, 2006 at 11:29 amSo, who’s surprised that Pres. Bush told yet another lie?
Anyone? Anyone at all?
I’m getting used to Pres. Bush telling lie after lie after lie. So much for the so-called Republican party of ethics and morals!
February 20th, 2006 at 11:33 amIts about the poor and middle class becoming cannon fodder for bushcabal.
I really loved what Pres. Chavez said,to Condolizzard Rice ,I’m saying it too ,girl just back off now …
I wonder what the youbng lady is saying in Kansas now when she asked bush the question about him cutting college loans and bush replied we haven’t cut any lonas we’re just revamping the loans….ARRGGHHH …..give me that shitpie I see a face I want to smack down with it.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:35 amThe Neocons are social Darwinists. Their mantra regarding poor people is “Let them die.”
February 20th, 2006 at 11:39 amPoor Elena should go take a college economics course before posting her ignorance again. Shifting costs to the government does not make college any more “affordable.”
Perhaps Elena thinks that if she has two $10 bills in her left pocket, and moves one to her right pocket, she just made 10 bucks. That seems to be the way liberals think about economics.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:41 amThe GOP spin will be: “Hey, get a job if you want to pay for college, lazy.”
I wonder how many college Republicans have ever had to get a Pell Grant.
I wonder how many Republicans have ever had to pay for college without Mommy and Daddy.
I wonder how many Republicans know what the price of a gallon of milk is.
I wonder how many Republicans really think that the increasing divide between rich and poor is a good thing.
I wonder how many people who call themselves Republican are actually Republican under today’s defintion of ‘Republican.’
I wonder when all of those people will wake up and realize that their party has left them in the dust in a rush to please big business and create corporate giveaways.
I wonder when Republican farmers will stop defending Bush as a great leader and wonder where their farm subsidies went.
I wonder when Republican veterans will wake up and figure out that their benefits have been slashed.
I wonder when all the the Republicans who follow Bush because he’s a man a moral conviction will realize that he is guilty of telling lies and half-truths on a daily basis.
I wonder Bush supporters will start noticing that Bin Laden is still out there. After being our “number one priority.”
I wonder when Republicans will realize that the war in Iraq was a mistake and the evidence used was cherry-picked by the administraion while the contrary evidence landed you low level desk job, slanderous public remarks, or your wife’s CIA cover being blown.
I wonder when Republicans will stop treating Bush as though he walks on water and Democrats as evil. C’mon, GOP. We’re all Americans trying to keep this country headed in the right direction.
I wonder when Republicans will recognize that dissenting views are not un-patriotic. In fact, according to the Founding Fathers, that’s one of the most important things: free speech.
I wonder when the rest of America will start to take their responsibility to be informed and involved seriously.
I wonder.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:48 amAce, you aren’t demonstrating a college level understanding of the issue.
One, there are a lot of things that can be done to make college more affordable that wouldn’t require more government spending. Switch to direct lending — instead of directing federal lending through banks — would make college more affordable without increasing costs.
Second, you might not have to raise total government spending. You could get rid of wasteful spending (the federal government spends over 1B on PR, for example) and use it for education instead.
Third, the goal is to make it more affordable for students. To have everyone pitch in makes good economic sense because chances are that the person will contribute more to the economy — both in taxes and productivity — than someone who is qualified but can’t afford college.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:49 amHey ace – you need to get a clue! Your right it does not make the overall cost of education cheaper, but it does mean less hardship of the student who does not have the money to go to school.
So I guess that if the student does not have $100,000 to attend then they should forget about it and just go to work at McDonald?
Idiots like you is why our country it 8 Trillion dollars in debt.
February 20th, 2006 at 11:50 amAh, but you see Judd, the GOP led government NEEDS to spend $1,000,000,000 (that’s a lot of zeros, isn’t it, Ace?) on public relations to cover all the mistakes and sleight of hand they pull.
Ace, explain to me how Bush flip-flopping on this issue is okay? By your logic in criticizing about the way “liberal’s think about economics,” Bush was wrong the first two times he PROMISED to increase Pell Grants. Doesn’t that go against the right’s stance that Bush and Co. can say/do no wrong?
February 20th, 2006 at 11:54 amWars of Aggression
The evidence is overwhelming that the Bush Administration authorized and is conducting
a war of aggression against Iraq in violation of international law, including The Nuremberg
Principles, Geneva Conventions of 1949, the United Nations Charter, and the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. In doing so, the Bush Administration has committed war crimes
and crimes against humanity.
http://www.bushcommission.org/index.htm
February 20th, 2006 at 11:56 amAce demostrates with his right wing think tank logic that giving poor kids pell grants does not actually give them money for education. It’s just as beneficial to them if we take that money and put it into tax cuts for the rich.
That’s the gist of the pocket analogy, right?
February 20th, 2006 at 11:57 amBush is taking money away from every federal program > he is robbing the nation blind to wage his wars for Petroleum!
February 20th, 2006 at 11:58 amJust curious Ace – which part of the average American’s life has GW improved since he’s been in office?
The loss of civil liberties?
The increased cost of gasoline and home heating costs?
The increased cost of health care?
The number of outsourced jobs lost overseas?
The lack of job growth (outside of the government jobs)?
The creation of the largest budget deficit ever?
The astronomically increasing national debt?
The lost of fathers, brothers, mothers, sisters, sons, and daughters in a war that wasn’t necessary?
The increased trade in heroin from Afghanistan since the US invaded and allowed opium to become that country’s #1 export?
The scandals that have led to a complete lack of trust in people’s congresspeople?
Really, Ace…. what’s gone right?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:01 pmLie, Lie, Lie and lie again, until you have lost all sense of what the truth is. What a horrendous example for our youth, and what a headache for parents trying to raise their kids to tell the truth, no matter the cost, and to make their word their bond. This is what we have to show for five years of republican and neocon control. This is the “gift” they have foisted on the American people and the world. I wouldn’t believe anything this whole adminstration says about anything. If they said the sun was shining, I wouldn’t believe it unless there was a window nearby.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:02 pm[...] Bush: Th eeducation president … I promised it, but I really didn’t mean it Filed under: George Bush, Education — Paul @ 12:04 pm Bush’s Backtrack: Freezes Pell Grants For Fourth Straight Year • • • [...]
February 20th, 2006 at 12:02 pmwhen will the xenophobic idiots who complain about their jobs being “exported” connect the dots?
we are the dumbest industrialized nation on earth!!
that’s why republicans win, and why they want to keep americans in the dark ages, by prioritizing sending lyndie englands to fight their wars, and putting education on the back-burner.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:04 pmThats political suicide. More educated people that think and vote…whatever would they do to stay in power?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:04 pmCongratulations kids! Not only will you not be getting any additional Pell Grant money to go to college, but BushCo will be leaving you with the giant tab of 8 trillion dollars to pay off. After all, why should we have to pay taxes to cover our own bugdet when we can just defer the payments to you?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:06 pmThe new Bush reality is easily discernable. Just take each line of every Bush speech and reverse it.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:07 pmVoila! Truth!
Bush is STAYING the COURSE
of lies…
In signing the No Child Left Behind Act, Bush declared “We’re going to spend more on our schools and we’re going to spend it more wisely.â€
Bush has under funded the No Child Left Behind program by $6 billion for FY2004 alone and by $15 billion over his first three years. Most of the under funding is in the area of Title I of the Act which provided funds to schools with low income or disadvantaged students. (The Daily Distortion 10.24.03, New Democratic Network 12.02.03)
February 20th, 2006 at 12:09 pm‘
Different day same shitGods sake do something about bush
February 20th, 2006 at 12:09 pm#7
I also wonder when Republicans will take issue with Bush selling control of 6 major US ports to Arabs/Muslims, and see it is a threat to National Security.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:09 pmHey Ace how was the Federal budget doing when the last Democrat was in office?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:11 pmi wouldn’t be in law school right now if it wasn’t for pell grants!!
February 20th, 2006 at 12:12 pmLet’s reduce this to simplistic terms for the sake of argument. The poor have two choices,
Either way, the poor fulfill their role as poor. They serve the machinery of Capitalism and Imperialism. They live and die as servants of the privileged class, under the illusion that they have both freedom and an opportunity for membership in that class. When that illusion is finally shattered change will occur. The only question is, will the change be violent (French Revolution) or peaceful (Ghandi)?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:12 pmthanks bill clinton!! :-)
February 20th, 2006 at 12:12 pm19)
The NeoCons have the 8 trillion debt part all figured out. You see this same thing has happened to past empires. They were able to solve the problem however. What they did was wage continual war and plundered. That paid for everything. Though after a few hundred years of this the empires always got destroyed by the people they had raped in the past.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:13 pmJust because the Feds offer less in grants,shouldn’t change the #s who can go to college. Why should the feds pay for a state problem.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:14 pmNobody says the state universities need to raise in-state tuition,but they do. Nobody has claimed that the states which wish more of their citizens to go to college should have to depend on the federal government. This is another state issue that has been pre-empted by the federal government. The states need to determine whether they’re willing to support more of their citizenry getting a college education or not.
Bush lying about something other than the GWOT,wiretapping,etc. may be news in and of itself but increasing Pell Grants shouldn’t be the end of some student’s college dream.
#17
Love it Banana, the US has been dumbing down education for a long time now, and the most ignorant have voting this man into office. Yes as a country, we are dumb, not producing math and science experts, flooding the young minds with ideas of products, consumption, and vanity. We don’t value teachers, intelligence. We value materialism, and bling bling, pysical attractiveness.
Why would the administration want people to be intelligent?, they wouldn’t be able to keep up the bullshit if more people were in the know.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:19 pmDemocrats need to quit being so nice when they’re campaigning.
their slogans should be “Republicans like a dumbed down, uneducated America. It’s the only way they can get elected. this country deserves more than being stupid.”
Then just put up a list of people and their names of some of the stupid Americans that are Republicans.
starting with the likes of Lyndie England. Put up that picture of her with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth pointing and laughing at tortured Iraqis.
and then say, “Americans deserve more than being dumb. Democrats prioritize Education, NOT stupidity”
perhaps go around and do random interviews of Americans on the street, asking them simple Educational questions that typical dumbed down American 20-somethings don’t know the answers to, demonstrating how stupid we’ve become.”
Show the kid at the store who can’t count change! for god’s sakes!
why else do you think that stores are coming out with those change dispensers? because it’s convenient? NO!! it’s because many young Americans that have cashier jobs can’t even do simple arithmetic enough to count change!
February 20th, 2006 at 12:20 pmMost of the middle America, rednecks, simpletons, dumbshits are the ones who vote Republican. The handful of intelligent Republicans use their power for evil. The coasts are where new technologies, medical advances, and any other cutting edge stuff comes from, and guess what, the coasts are Democrats.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:28 pmDemocrats quit being nice??
Thats how we, in my opinion, got into this mess because of mean spiteful Campaign Rhetoric that played on peoples anger.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:29 pmAnd the dumbshit Republicans that think they are intelligent, post here, and get shredded. When a Republican has average intelligence, they think they are real smart as they compare themselves to the majority of their simpleton Republican buddies.
It’s funny to see the average intelligent, arrogant Republican post here and get blown out of the water. Not surprising, these dense people live in a bubble and get a dose of things outside the bubble when they post here, it’s an educational experience for them. See we are about educating people, even wingnuts.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:31 pmCongress allocates the money.
They’ve used that excuse over and over. You guys don’t get it — he’ll never take responsibility for the real budget.
He’ll only use it to beat us up over issues and try to place a wedge on issues.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#26 Briseadh na Faire – “The poor have two choices…2) join the military…”
the more i hear the more i think that al franken – not the first – was right…he has a theory that the cuts in education are tied to the dwindling numbers of military recruits…
February 20th, 2006 at 12:37 pm70 billion more for Iraq. 300 billion:
$300,000,000,000.00. How many college eduactions could that have paid for?
Let’s just ballpark and say college is $10K a year (averaging in-state, out-of-state, etc). divide those two numbers, and:
30 MILLION students could have been educated for free for the cost of one unnecessary war. Thirty-freakin’ million more educated. wow.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:37 pm#Most of the middle America, rednecks, simpletons, dumbshits are the ones who vote Republican. The handful of intelligent Republicans use their power for evil. The coasts are where new technologies, medical advances, and any other cutting edge stuff comes from, and guess what, the coasts are Democrats.
Comment by For Truth — February 20, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
Reflecting on this comment =)
I think that you are unto something here, yet the reasoning is a bit off perhaps.
I have noticed that the people here seem to delve into the facts, and constantly update their Internal American and World History as Documents become Available.
if I told many people that The Gulf of Tonkin SIGINT was altered to get the US into the Vietnam War many would not Acknowledge this fact, yet it changes ones perspective completely.
The MSMers Seem to follow the Current News ver closely, but without updating their past History on wars and other political matters, they DO NOT come to the Same Conclusions as their American Counterparts.
Alas the number of folks whom have wondered into the Information blogs (such as this one) find links to these Documents we speak of and then come to their own similiar conclusions.
Such is my take on the Intelligence Divide
February 20th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThis is infrastructure investment.
In five years we have seen basic federal infrastructure investments decline, in real dollar terms, by a whooping 30-40%. Roads, ports, border security, education, & FEMA planning, just to name a few, are in steep declines. What is the administration’s answer; sell off public park land in the west.
After all, the tax giveaway is more than sufficient to offset your personal cost increases, right?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:45 pm#38,
Thanks, I always appreciate your posts.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:48 pmIn five years we have seen basic federal infrastructure investments decline, in real dollar terms, by a whooping 30-40%. Roads, ports, border security, education, & FEMA planning, just to name a few, are in steep declines. What is the administration’s answer; sell off public park land in the west.
After all, the tax giveaway is more than sufficient to offset your personal cost increases, right?
Comment by Citizen80203 — February 20, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
Agreed. heres a prime Example;
The Bush administration claimed that drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) was necessary to “secure America’s energy needs.â€
FACT: A US Geological Survey concluded that drilling at ANWR would yield only approximately two years worth of oil consumption. (Corn – The Nation 10.13.03)
February 20th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#38,
Thanks, I always appreciate your posts.
Comment by For Truth — February 20, 2006 @ 12:48 pm
And me yours =)
February 20th, 2006 at 12:50 pmPunchy, I’ve read that the average public university is about $12,000 and the average private is about $29,000. Your point is the same,but the # will be a bit different.
February 20th, 2006 at 12:51 pmThe administration should work to make college more affordable for all students.
They work for one thing, to make them and theirs more money.
When you realize that they sacrificed 3000 innocent people in NY to get their endless war, you begin to see that talk of this administration helping people is senseless. Unless of course you happen to be a major campaign donor and part of their corporate family.
Until this goal can be achieved, we need to make federal, state and institutional aid more widely available, especially to those with the greatest financial need.
Ahh, let me get this straight. You’re saying, that while they’re pocketing every penny of taxpayer money that they possibly can, shipping our jobs overseas, cutting veteran benefits, letting thousands drown in natural disasters, controlling election results, sending our people off to die in a war that they lied to gain support for, attempting to leave our elderly out in the cold, upping the price of healthcare, upping the poverty level, creating deficits only the future will see the results of, selling our country to the chinese, creating and changing laws to benefit corporations, destroying our environment, repeatedly breaking the law(s), and basically thumbing their noses at WE THE PEOPLE.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:00 pmYour logic says, WE SHOULD ALL PENNY UP TILL THINGS CHANGE?
I can’t agree with that.
Democrats can’t win by being NICE, because nice guys finish last! When somebody punches you, then you have to punch back harder! Most Democrat Senators would rather be milktoasts, then fight back, and be banned from Senate parties with Republicans! It is way past time for Dems to stop being NICE and time to kick the crap out of GOP fascists! The most important thing to win back the Congress is to make sure the elections in every state this November are 100% honest! If every ballot is counted fairly, then Dems will take back the House of Representatives at least!
February 20th, 2006 at 1:17 pmAn educated electorate is the enemy of the Conservatives. No one with an education and the ability to reason would vote for them.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:35 pmwhat does bush know about education? the fact that you can be “snowed under”for your educational experience. then go to the national guard and become a pilot while flunking the test 3 times. the no child left behind act is another one of bushies scare tactics that has done nothing to the education of students but piss off teachers. bushy has got all you reichwingers running scared i’m surprised your not in the bunker with campbells soup and bottled water waiting for god to come and whisk you all to the lovely heavens so you can break bread and drink tea with your family and the terrorists.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:45 pmJudd is ignoring the obvious fact that education spending has skyrocketed in the last few decades, just as all the government largesse he favors has poured into those institutions.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:57 pmof course heroin is up. if the stock market wants to keep going we need money launering, drug laundering which is the biggest contributor of the stock market and weapons laundering. same with the federal reserve bank. it’s NOT a bank. it’s not even owned by the federal government. it’s privately owned by other banks, mostly jewish and some nazi. and they are deciding how much you pay for your car, house, credit and will raise it depending if he has had a good nights sleep. if you’re not familiar with the rothchilds—might give you some insight about the banking(money)business and how it runs everything.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:59 pmAsk the Lily White Speed Skater Chad Hedricks what he thinks about College grants for blacks!
February 20th, 2006 at 2:01 pmgo to tulane and wish for another hurricane?
February 20th, 2006 at 2:05 pmit’s pretty sad when a bush supporter goes over to iraq and then calls home saying 3 more yrs gives me 20 and i’m DONE.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmhey all my bush-haters. LET’S STAND UP-UNITE AND GET LETTERS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN-ELECTION IS COMING. MAKE APPEARANCES. WE CAN PROTEST HERE LIKE THEY PROTEST IN OTHER COUNTRIES. LET’S GET A BULLHORN. AND LET HIM KNOW THAT WHOEVER KNOCKED THESE BUILDINGS DOWN IS GONNA HEAR FROM ALL OF US!!!!!!!!
February 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pm#Judd is ignoring the obvious fact that education spending has skyrocketed in the last few decades, just as all the government largesse he favors has poured into those institutions.
Comment by ace — February 20, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Then post something to Bolster your argument….wwallace?
February 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#
Democrats can’t win by being NICE, because nice guys finish last! When somebody punches you, then you have to punch back harder! Most Democrat Senators would rather be milktoasts, then fight back, and be banned from Senate parties with Republicans! It is way past time for Dems to stop being NICE and time to kick the crap out of GOP fascists! The most important thing to win back the Congress is to make sure the elections in every state this November are 100% honest! If every ballot is counted fairly, then Dems will take back the House of Representatives at least!
Comment by Jay Randal — February 20, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
You can be nice and still stab them in the back =)
February 20th, 2006 at 2:55 pm#54
Pell Grants comprise a very, very small portion of the Federal Budget. The Navy, for instance, wants to spend 2 BILLION EACH for new destroyers that aren’t really needed (according to military experts).
It’s military spending and the entitlements – medicare, medicaid, social security – plus defense spending and interest on the national debt (there are no principal payments) that cost the most.
Pell Grants are targeted at a disadvantaged group. Presumably it would be a ‘good thing’ if such a group were to aquire human capital beyond their high school years in a college setting. Especially since that the return to human capital is what will determine the future of this country.
Not giving them grants/loans would ‘price them out’ because of the EFC that colleges use – they make unrealistic assumptions about ability to pay.
Another rather egregious move was the cut in the interest subsidy on plus loans. It will move the current interest rate of 6.1 percent to over 7 percent. It’s important because those plus loans enable children to go to schools they might not otherwise be able to afford (they have no credit scores). Raising the interest rates reduces the ability to borrow.
Trimming 50 billion dollars from the budget, which is about what it will be in the end, is really rather pathetic. It will be offset by further tax cuts AND increased interest payments.
The increased interest payments are automatic. Everytime that congress votes to raise the debt ceiling the implicit act is that there is less discretionary spending ability. Even if interest rates remain static (and inverted which they are now – which is generally a bad thing as far as an economic indicator – where it’s cheaper to borrow two years out than 30) as the treasury issues more bonds to cover the deficit the interest paid will increase.
Of course to affect the percentage distribution of the budget the interest payments would have to grow faster than tax receipts. That won’t be the case this year – I believe – but it will in the future (the repatriation of foreign profits has ended – the reduced tax amnesty they passed that got US companies to ‘bring home’ their profits).
February 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pm“Judd is ignoring the obvious fact that education spending has skyrocketed in the last few decades, just as all the government largesse he favors has poured into those institutions.
– Ace”
Yeah, well so has the population.
So, are we spending more or less per capita (adjusted for inflation, of course)? That’s the real question.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pmJudd,
You ought to do a piece on the ‘inverted yield curve’. It’s a fairly good indicator of a coming recession.
Inverted Yield Curve: It is more expensive to borrow in the short term than the long term. Currently it is cheaper to buy 3 months out than 30 years. This does fluctuate but the 2 year out horizon has been has carried a higher interest rate than the 30 year for some time – same with the 10 year tbill.
As a side note – banks make money by taking deposits and lending them out for the long term. They pay interest on the deposits at short term rates and charge interest on the loans at long term rates. As it becomes more expensive to borrow in the short term from your customers banks tend to lend less – which can be a ‘bad’. It leads to a tightening in the ‘interest margin/spread’ which reduces the profitability of loans. They become more selective. Sort of a problem since there is definately a housing bubble.
The ‘psychology’ of the bond traders goes like this: We’ll accept a lower yield (and subsequently higher price on the bond – yields and prices move in opposite directions) on 10-30 year bonds because we believe that 1. the potential growth rate of the US will fall and/or 2. we believe that the Federal Reserve will be forced to lower interest rates ’soon’ because of a recession.
You lower the fed funds/overnight bank lending rate in order to stimulate the economy in a recession.
Profit Motive: Bond Traders profit on the short end of the yield curve because once the federal reserve lowers interest rates the ‘price’ of the bonds that the traders hold on the short end will rise. (and the interest rate will lower to match the new interest rate expectations of the market).
Oh JUDD: Another ‘goodie’. The TREASURY JUST DID IT’S FIRST AUCTION OF THIRTY YEAR BONDS SINCE CLINTON. They had cut them out because it was surpluses as far as the eye could see (30s are usually more ‘expensive’ to issue than shorter dated bonds).
February 20th, 2006 at 3:15 pmAsk the Lily White Speed Skater Chad Hedricks what he thinks about College grants for blacks!
Comment by Executive Priviledge
Well it’s obvious that since he’s lily white he must not be in favor of a Negro going to college at all let alone on a free pass. Personally I think college grants if we must have them need to go only to kids who deserve them based first on past academic achievement and secondly on financial need. I would say that anyone who’s parents make less than 150,000 combined are poor and should qualify as needy.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:18 pmDemocrats don’t need to get nasty to win. All we need to do is get a united message, which speaks truth to power, and keep saying it over and over, and put it out there in every media market and by every means available. That is what the DNC should be about right now. Where is the united message and why is not being pushed.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:23 pmAn educated electorate is the enemy of the Conservatives. No one with an education and the ability to reason would vote for them.
Comment by Kenny H
I guess that’s why you can claim nearly the entirety of the population of this country that reads at a 2nd grade level if at all with a median IQ of 86.
I suppose that would also account for the liberals objective of dumming down the population by setting standards for education lower and still not meeting them. Yep, you liberuls sure is smart.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmJudd,
Now that I think of it – the 30 year bond issuance by the Treasury is better for a piece.
I mean, Bush through his Treasury man is admitting that the country’s finances are worsening. They eliminated that borrowing at the end of Clinton’s term because the thought was that there would be endless surpluses and therefore it was pointless to borrow on the long end as it becomes more expensive.
The ‘Street’ wanted them back anyway as long term liabilities need to be matched by long term assets (think pension plans) but they issued so little that everyone bought in pushing the yields down (which worsens the return for all those old folk). The 30 year is also what mortgages were traditonally based on.
The inverted yield curve is important just because there is a housing bubble in parts of the US (which Greenspan created by encouraging massive borrowing which went to homes which were considered ’safer’ than stocks).
Here’s why it is important: In California more than half of new home mortgages (read: last 2 years) are variable rate/ARMs. As the fed increases rates it increases the cost for those people. It will eventually force more into bankruptcy if rates rise ‘too much’ to ‘fight inflation’ – which Bernanke definately will do. That would lead to a loss in consumer confidence. Since our economy is driven by consumer confidence, the economy would tank.
Also – done anything on the negative saving rates of the US households in aggregate?:) Negative saving rates are definately a bad – people listening to Bush’s ’spend to save our country’ crap managed to borrow a ton and won’t be able to borrow much more.
Sad days. I look forward to buying into equities in the next recession.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:26 pmI believe an ‘average’ IQ is defined as 100. ‘Retarded’ is 70.
I’d say 5th-7th grade level myself. That’s more a failing of schools in general which are locally run but take directions from on high (federal government) or lose funding.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:27 pmI-RIGHT-I,
How very Democratic and liberal of you. See, your shriveled up little black heart isn’t so bad.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:31 pmMost of the middle America, rednecks, simpletons, dumbshits are the ones who vote Republican. The handful of intelligent Republicans use their power for evil. The coasts are where new technologies, medical advances, and any other cutting edge stuff comes from, and guess what, the coasts are Democrats.
Comment by For Truth
In my experience the coasts are where the homosexual drug addicted and STD riddled losers come from and the companies that are headquartered there have to recruit from the heartland of America because their own kids are totally fucked up and worthless little whining brats who hate work can barely read and refuse to read unless it’s a comic book or a Hustler. You know,like the majority of posters here on Think Communist.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:32 pmOr as in the state of California’s case, we just had all of our money stripped out by Arnie and then any school that doesn’t turn over their student records to military recruiters loses federal funding under No CHild Left Behind.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:33 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Of course you would bring up you homophobia and your fear of the female body in one post. Man, you need to get laid in a bad way.
February 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmno, we’re going to have to get nasty to win.
karl rove and co. have lowered the bar on manners in political campaigning.
it’s time to quit beating around the bush and call these republicans out for what they are: perpetuators of dumbing down america, for the purpose of getting votes from uneducated, uninformed people.
put lyndie england’s face up there and say, is this what you want america to become?
if not, vote democrat, where we value education, so that we don’t put soldiers like here out in the field!
February 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pmSpudge Boy
The boychild is too young to touch his own body let alone anyone elses.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:03 pmI believe an ‘average’ IQ is defined as 100. ‘Retarded’ is 70.
Comment by James — February 20, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
It’s been moved up to 110 for average… hard to believe, I know.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pmJames,the Treasury stopped the 30 year bond because as rates fell,it was cheaper to refinance maturing bonds and to sell new issues so as to lower the interest rate on average. During the 90s the Treasury was paying on average over 10% which has steadily decreased to the roughly 6% in the CBO forecasts. They expect rates to increase over time which is why the Treasury wants to issue 30 yr. bonds now. They get to lock in a lower rate for a longer time and the demand is there for the issues.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pmI suppose that would also account for the liberals objective of dumming down the population by setting standards for education lower and still not meeting them. Yep, you liberuls sure is smart.
Comment by IRI
IRI: It’s laughable that you’d pretend for 15 seconds that Republicans are the party of education. I have three brothers who are schoolteachers and not one of them voted for Bush because the Republicans would rather go through the motions on education instead of actually supporting it. I guess you’d argue this is part of the “entitlement society.” Of course, Jesus believed in helping other too. “Whatever you do to the least of my brothers…”
You are obviously living proof of America’s poor education system. Maybe later I’ll show you how to use a keyboard. Moron.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWhat? Bush doesn’t like anyone to be smarter than he is — he doesn’t need to freze Pell grants for that — he already underfunded Head Start.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI-Right-I:
I find it interesting that you blame democrats for education problems. Especially considering that education level in blue states is drastically better than red states (along with household income).
College Graduates (% of total population)
Blue States: 28.5%
Red States: 21.4%
Median Household income:
Blue States: $58,253.6
Red States: $45,501.5
Source: Fall 2004 Survey of the American Consumer
February 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pm#7 bobcat
February 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pmAnother good post .
I don’t think they care about Pell grants because if your family is rich, you don’t need them. This is only another way to put the middle class down even further.
If too many kids get too smart, they won’t become Bush’s cannon fodder.
I think ace is wallace, the formerly banned poster.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:51 pmIn my experience the coasts are where the homosexual drug addicted and STD riddled losers come from
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
I have no doubt your experience is exactly what you describe. Most of us visit the coasts for different purposes.
Have you tried Thailand?
February 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmMarie,
I agree, ace is wallace.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmRyan Neat is back!! I hope he sticks around this time.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pmMarie,
Thanks :)
Glad to see you here as well. I can see the republicans are still wasting money on inept propaganda trolls. These fools are as bad as FEMA, and just as poorly trained.
February 20th, 2006 at 4:58 pmI think Bush didn’t like, his dyslexia just kicked in. What he meant to say was “[W]e’ll make it harder for Americans to afford a college education, by increasing the need of unavailable Pell Grants.”
Just another example of the administration ‘mis-speaking’, which isn’t to be confused with ‘lying’, which is what non-politicians call this behavior.
February 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmMarie and Ryan Neat,
ace is wwallace. He is not formerly banned. He is currently banned.
He is a sad unwanted little troll.
February 20th, 2006 at 5:14 pmman when is everybody going to learn.
when this guy comes out and says he’s going to support something..what THAT REALLY means is he’s going to cut it to death.
In other words, its the kiss before the f*ck.
cheers.
February 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmw
What was that crap Bush was spewing about higher math and science achievements in the US? Cutting out Pell Grants is the exact opposite of how to do that. Republicans are so greedy, they steal from kids and still whine about the cost.
My family had very little and thrived on Pell Grants. College degrees earn more tax dollars than high school degress folks. It is THAT simple and still too obtuse for the greedocons to understand.
GREAT to have you back Ryan Neat. All the logical souls we can get here!!
February 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmfind it interesting that you blame democrats for education problems. Especially considering that education level in blue states is drastically better than red states (along with household income).
College Graduates (% of total population)
Blue States: 28.5%
Red States: 21.4%
Median Household income:
Blue States: $58,253.6
Red States: $45,501.5
Source: Fall 2004 Survey of the American Consumer
Comment by bobcat_grad
How many times to I have to tell you losers, we have more Africans and Mexicans. They skew the numbers all over the grid be it education, violent crime or children out of wedlock. And yes, it is the liberals fault as you designed and run the schools. I mean really, do you think it’s simply a matter of genetics that you’re such a dumbass?
February 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmif we want to understand education problems in america, we have to look at the history of education IN America.
the rich historically have frowned on education of the people who are not one of them. the original aristocrats of America, the ones from England, were used to English society. A society that put the rich before everyone else. If you were from an old money family, you deserved an eduction. F**K everyone else.
then as more immigrants came to america, education became to be something offered to everyone. it’s what made this country a technological leader in the world. now we are lagging far behind. WE should have a nation of people that are competitive in the global technological market, racing with Japan to come up with the most energy efficient technology for automobiles, for example!
instead, we have become a service only economy. we don’t have the technological leaders anymore.
the religious wingnuts want to take our science back to the Dark Ages; and frown on stem cell research. as a result, we are losing jobs and opportunities. we are sitting on the sidelines watching the rest of the world embark on scientific advancements, because we’re too stupid to play. some of us are smart enough to play, because our parents are wealthy. but really, we could do better than just having a Bill Gates.
it’s not about what color your skin is. we’re all stupid if we aren’t rich.
all of us americans who haven’t gone to those little upper class pre ivy league preppie schools have been deprived of opportunities to be more educated than what we are.
And for those of you racists on this board, talking about how stupid non-whites are, you have only your white selves and your whitey parents to blame.
just several years after Brown v. Board of Education, the white americans backlashed by moving as far away from blacks as they could. as a result, the “integrated” schools in the cities have become re-segregated and have broken down, because the tax dollars in those districts disappeared. schools in these districts don’t have the kind of money going into them as the whitey schools do.
now most black children are in the same shape their grandparents were in before Brown v. Board of Education.
AS a result, the children in these schools are using old, torn textbooks, using class rooms that don’t have chalkboards in them, etc.
to blame black people for this is racist.
and if the Rich people in this country have their way, you, middle class whitey, are next. your children will be going to run-down schools using old, torn up textbooks in them.
this is not a race issue. it’s a class issue. the fact that Bush is pulling the rug out from under non-Rich kids is a slap in the face of the American way.
this is not a monarchy. this is supposed to be a country where everyone is on equal footing and those that rise to the top do so on merit, not because they come from a rich family.
if you want a class-based country, move your sweet arse back to England.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:14 pmI am beginning to think that ace {wallace} and I-Right-I are Brokeback Mountain partners in here > lol.
February 20th, 2006 at 7:35 pmAn educated populace is the greatest fear of a totalitarian government.
Banana, unfortunately, we have gone from a democracy to a one-party rule and a de-facto dictatorship.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pm#86 p&p
February 20th, 2006 at 8:02 pmExactly — how are we going to make progress in technology and sciences unless we educate our youth? Bush apparently thinks the rich alone are the ones worth educating — he’s such a good example himself.
Does he ever stop to think of what we might be missing in keeping higher education out of the lives of so many young people — what might they grow up to do for themselves and society, if given a chance.
Exactly — how are we going to make progress in technology and sciences unless we educate our youth?
Comment by Marie — February 20, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
Don’t read the No Child Left Behind Act… it’ll make you develop flu-like symptoms…
And the worst part, Marie, is that most parents think their kids are getting enough math and science in school. I assure, when at least 15 minutes of every period, every day goes to dealing with behavior issues, they don’t even know what the Hubble Telescope is or that we have rovers on Mars… So all of my classes are going to do some Science News Journalism this week. And be graded for it.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:14 pmUnbelievable, you are a teacher? You have my empathy. I am a teacher as well.
No Child Left Behind…modeled after a school system that falsified numbers to show results.
If you are fortunate to work in a school system with a supportive administration and supportive parents, you are indeed blessed.
My district has been after me for a few years now, ever since I did a stint as the teacher’s association president and blew the whistle on the board. This year they cancelled my band program and assigned me to teach 8th grade social studies/language arts and remedial reading; two days before school started. I was set up to fail. And I am being formally evaluated for the first time in 10 years.
But you know what? Best practices works. I’ve never taught outside of music before, so all I could go on was what the research said worked. Now, my students have a class average around 90% on the textbook publisher’s tests, and have gained nearly a year’s growth in reading ability in the first semester alone. This in a low socio-economic school district of English language learners which ranks in the bottom decile according to the State tests.
The school district has received around a quarter of a million dollars in grant money to improve test scores over the past few years with no significant change in scores. I did the statistical analysis for the district last year: the scores are essentially flat.
Why are my students doing so well? The Pygmalian Principle. Inexpensive to implement, yet one of the most effective methods of improving students’ learning.
I will close with this: right now, I’m having my 8th grade students read 1984.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:02 pmHow many times to I have to tell you losers, we have more Africans and Mexicans. They skew the numbers all over the grid be it education, violent crime or children out of wedlock. And yes, it is the liberals fault as you designed and run the schools. I mean really, do you think it’s simply a matter of genetics that you’re such a dumbass?
I-Right-I
Wow.
Just wow.
Please stop the embarassment now, and stop posting. And please don’t vote in 2006, either.
But I do beg of you, please campaign all you want for the GOP. Using phrases like “Africans and Mexicans skew the numbers all over the grid be it education, violent crime or children out of wedlock” would pick up a TON of votes, I’m sure.
Dude, do you even think before you type, or does all the hate just come poring out like that naturally?
February 20th, 2006 at 9:04 pm#94!! wow!! you get to teach social studies!! there is sooo much that can be done there!!
i majored in anthropology in undergrad (which i wouldn’t have been able to have done if it weren’t for Pell Grants) and there is so much to learn about the world by looking through the eyes of other cultures.
your students are lucky to have someone like you for their social studies class!!
February 20th, 2006 at 9:22 pmBriseadh na Faire,
Glad to hear you’ve found something to work for you. Not surprised that you’ve suffered the incompetence of the Administrators (3 of my cousins are in the education field – one is a V.P. and he has some incredible stories).
This is my first year and it has been certainly a lot of trial and error :). I was an architect for 14 years and decided to make the switch to high school Science thorugh the alternative certificatio program (joke). I live in a an area with a lot of teachers, so I’m fortunate that many of my students are wanted children from families that value education. But there are also those who are from families who value attitude over compromise, and send very needy, apathetic children into this world. So unfair to those children.
I’ve not heard of the The Pygmalian Principle. And suggestions? I could use all I can get.
I read 1984 in 10th grade on my own (I came from a lower middle class family who read a lot because it was cheaper than skiing in the Swiss Alps :). Glad to hear you are requiring it!
Personally, I hate tests. The kids hate tests. I have them do projects more than tests, and they seem to be learning more real world skills that way. I have them do things the architecture way, since that is what I know, and they say that love that aspect of it – because it makes them feel less like prisoners doing time. Sad, huh?
We care so little about education in this country. That much is evident…
February 20th, 2006 at 9:25 pm[...] Bush has seen to it that the Pell Grants get frozen for the 4th straight year on a row. Of course, during the election, he promised exactly the opposite- to bolster them. [...]
February 20th, 2006 at 9:34 pmI only taught in elem for four years. I was fortunate in that I turned around the child of a field manager from the IBM sales office in Dallas. The next thing I knew, I was working at the development lab in Poughkeepsie. He asked me if he could do anything for me out of his gratitude. I told him.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:34 pmGetting back to the point – teachers have but one year or one semester to mold the subjects of their efforts into contributing members of society. It’s a tough job, but motivation is all ways the best course of action. A teacher’s task is not passing data on to his charges – he or she has to make them want to learn.
By the bye, the kid graduated salutatorian from HS and went on to a very successful career in electronics (still in process).
Voting electorate are no longer interested in campaign promises by either party! They want to see ACTION and NOT words! Democrat Senators tend to believe they just need a better message to win in November, but their ACTIONS have been very wussy and spineless! They allowed Alito to get into the Supreme Court even though they had enough votes to filibuster, if they had wanted to, so they need to realize we all remember their caving! We also will remember if they cave-in on the NSA Spygate Scandal and NOT investigate it?!
February 20th, 2006 at 9:37 pmUnbelievable,
email me at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com
I will be happy to share what I can.
Banana,
feel free to email me as well. We share another common interest: we’re both law students.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:23 pmJobs cut at energy lab restored before Bush visit
By Tom Doggett
Reuters
Monday, February 20, 2006; 11:10 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Energy Department said it has come up with $5 million to immediately restore jobs cut at a renewable energy laboratory President George W. Bush will visit on Tuesday, avoiding a potentially embarrassing moment as the president promotes his energy plan.
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Can you Believe this? Bush spends 10 million just to cover up his SOTU Lies about Energy Programs?
10 MILLION FOR A LIE?? For an energy plan that HE knows will go nowhere while cutting back on Education?
These People are absolutley Nuts.
February 21st, 2006 at 1:20 amsorry 5 million
February 21st, 2006 at 1:21 amI suppose that would also account for the liberals objective of dumming down the population by setting standards for education lower and still not meeting them. Yep, you liberuls sure is smart.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 20, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Oh you Mean Neil Bushs’ School Program? That one IRI?
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/12/1534244
Friday, March 12th, 2004
No Bush Left Behind: When You’re Barred From Banking, Why Not Bank on Education?
After Neil Bush was banned from banking activities for his role in the Savings and Loan scandal in the late 1980s, he decided to bank on education and founded Ignite Incorporated. Ignite sells software to help students prepare to take comprehensive tests required under the No Child Left Behind act that was pushed through by Neil’s older brother
you Mean this Librul Education IRI?
February 21st, 2006 at 1:25 amThe No Children Left Behind thats WAY behind?
cmon IRI im not even a Law student or even gradeeated from Collage or high skool =) and I can see that you are Full of it.
February 21st, 2006 at 1:29 amNeil whom is known to be Dyslexic is gonna Create a Software Program for Schools?
PEOPLE IN TEXAS TAKE YOUR KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL NOW!!
February 21st, 2006 at 1:40 amTHIS IS NOT A TEST THIS IS AN ACTUAL BUSH CRISIS!
Hey you Law Students. Is their a Particular Site you Use for Reference?
I managed to find a Blacks Law Dictionary at the Used Book Store and that helps me some, any other links would be appreciated.
February 21st, 2006 at 1:49 amemail me at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com
I will be happy to share what I can.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 20, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
Will do during my planning period. Thanks!
February 21st, 2006 at 8:49 amMr. Ho
Here’s a good sight available free to the public:
http://findlaw.com/#
The other legal sites I use, LexisNexis and Westlaw, are password protected.
Google is alwasy a good general research tool, especially if you start with a broad term then use “search within these results.”
I hope this helps.
February 21st, 2006 at 10:26 am“Africans and Mexicans skew the numbers all over the grid be it education, violent crime or children out of wedlock†would pick up a TON of votes, I’m sure.
Dude, do you even think before you type, or does all the hate just come poring out like that naturally?
Comment by bobcat_grad
I’m not running for office bubba so I get to tell the truth. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable and does untold damage to the self esteem of losers is to me a non-issue. Shame is a good thing for losers to feel.
By the way, the word “hate” out of the mouth of a liberal is meaningless since most do not know the difference between good and evil. Liberalism is an attempt to legitimize sin and comfort those who practice it in the warm goo of moral relativism. Black America has all but drowned in Progressive Liberal Goo. That’s why they kill each other with abandon, rape and pillage our social services and populate our prisons. You did that.
February 21st, 2006 at 11:25 amyou Mean this Librul Education IRI?
The No Children Left Behind thats WAY behind?
Comment by mr ho
No Child Left Behind is a creation of Ted Kennedy. Bush was foolish to placate the fat drunken murderer by implementing it. But you knew that, right?
February 21st, 2006 at 11:34 amNo Child Left Behind is a creation of Ted Kennedy. Bush was foolish to placate the fat drunken murderer by implementing it. But you knew that, right?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #111
I-Right-I,
Is the perfect example of America’s traitors…
…he represents many of your neighbors, family members and friends…
…what should one do with treasonous, ideological slaves (conservative/neocon refuse) like I-Right-I?
…do we allow them to continue to destroy our country?
…do we stand idly by while they continue to laugh in our faces and brag about winning?
…when what they’ve won is:
…our collective bankruptcy…
…the destruction of our educational system…
…dismantling of our civil rights…
…the transfer of wealth to the upper 1%…
…the weakening of our military…
…the destruction of our middle class, social safety net, and worldwide reputation…
I-Right-I clearly hates America, the Constitution, and our representative democracy…
…the more pressing question is…
…how much do you hate YOUR treasonous I-Right-I’s?
February 21st, 2006 at 11:47 amI-Right-I is related to Jeffrey Dahmer who ate black gay guys in New York, so ignore him before he eats you too >lol.
February 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmNo Child Left Behind is a creation of Ted Kennedy. Bush was foolish to placate the fat drunken murderer by implementing it. But you knew that, right?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Hahaha IRI you consistently shoot yourself Down. First Bush is in your Belief Above the Law. Now hes Foolish?
WOWOWOW. So You want a Foolish Man IRI, to be above the Law?
February 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pmSo then IRI foolish is Evil? I mean Teds EVIL right? And Foolish Bush Well didnt Foolishness support and appease that Evil?
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Thanks for the Links Law types. Mostly I wanted a link to the sites you use so I can be on the ‘Same Page’ so to Speak.
Bookmarked findlaw.
Kudos =)
February 21st, 2006 at 12:22 pmYes IRI I knew that, but as usual you always fall right into the traps..=)
February 21st, 2006 at 12:24 pmBy the way, the word “hate†out of the mouth of a liberal is meaningless since most do not know the difference between good and evil. Liberalism is an attempt to legitimize sin and comfort those who practice it in the warm goo of moral relativism. Black America has all but drowned in Progressive Liberal Goo. That’s why they kill each other with abandon, rape and pillage our social services and populate our prisons. You did that.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 21, 2006 @ 11:25 am
Lemme see IRI I have No DUIS.
Bush has 2
Cheney has 2
hmm
I dont hate because I can control My Bias.
Hate, as that what drives you to continue your hateful diatribes here, creates a very unbalanced mindset.
Hate will eat you Alive IRI If you Keep Basking in it
February 21st, 2006 at 12:28 pmmr ho love IRI =)
February 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmHate will eat you Alive IRI If you Keep Basking in it
Comment by mr ho — February 21, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
I watched my father, for 12 years, battle cancer before it finally killed him. And he had he hated everything.
I couldn’t agree with you more mr ho. Hate only hurts yourself. Acceptance is much kinder to all involved, especially yourself (since that is all you can change anyway).
February 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pmYes IRI I knew that, but as usual you always fall right into the traps..=)
Comment by mr ho
You couldn’t trap road kill. Speaking of road kill, how was your dinner last night?
February 21st, 2006 at 12:41 pmI watched my father, for 12 years, battle cancer before it finally killed him. And he had he hated everything.
Comment by unbelievable
That’s what happens when you marry an Italian woman.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:16 pmThat’s what happens when you marry an Italian woman.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 21, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
She is German and Irish (blue eyes and light brown hair).
What happened to him was that his war-hero uncle beat him as a child for playing an innocent game of kick the can with a little boy who just so happened to be black. It’s why I say the system (culture) is the problem and not people. I believe we are all born innocent, and become a product of our environment. And hate breeds hate. Fortunately, my mother hates no one. And as a result, since she was my role model, I am not prejudice. My brothers are different stories.
February 21st, 2006 at 2:43 pmAnd as a result, since she was my role model, I am not prejudice. My brothers are different stories.
Comment by unbelievable
Everyone has prejudice. Period. Your brothers are simply more honest than you. It’s a trait of men to be brutal and brutally honest. Women would rather lie than chance a confrontation.
February 21st, 2006 at 4:17 pmEveryone has prejudice. Period.
Yes. Mine are against eating animals, and not against the skin color of my friends.
Your brothers are simply more honest than you. It’s a trait of men to be brutal and brutally honest.
My brothers are less educated than I am. And I don’t mean college.
Women would rather lie than chance a confrontation.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 21, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
Did you really say that to me? I think you know better.
February 21st, 2006 at 4:28 pm124 – unbelievable,
February 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pmiri lacks two things: a brain and a soul. How the repugs taught a one-celled animal to type eludes me.
Everyone has prejudice. Period. Your brothers are simply more honest than you. It’s a trait of men to be brutal and brutally honest. Women would rather lie than chance a confrontation.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #123
Insidious-Rejected-Inbred
You’re not “prejudiced”…
…you’re subhuman…
…you’re the kind of cancerous garbage that Lincoln should have eradicated when he had the chance…
…but just like George W. Bush got the chance to finish up his father’s unfinished project in Iraq…
…patriotic American citizens are going to have another opportunity to rid this country of their right wing Bushite traitors…
…’til then keep smiling (and “winning”) IRI…
…even Rip Van Winkle awoke…
February 21st, 2006 at 6:24 pmEveryone has prejudice. Period.
Yes. Mine are against eating animals, and not against the skin color of my friends.
There you go with the damn numbers again. My friend’s skin color does not matter to me either, because they are my friends. But in general I find scant evidence that commonly held prejudices and stereotypes are wrong and my “friends of color” agree. They don’t like or associate with people caught up in the American Negro sub-culture either. When they use the N word to describe those losers it certainly isn’t a term of endeament. They mean it in the same way any good little KKK redneck would.
Your brothers are simply more honest than you. It’s a trait of men to be brutal and brutally honest.
My brothers are less educated than I am. And I don’t mean college.
I doubt that. Women don’t learn the same lessons, but just in case please do tell what education you’re talking about.
Women would rather lie than chance a confrontation.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 21, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
Did you really say that to me? I think you know better.
Comment by unbelievable — February 21, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
I didn’t say that you weren’t annoying I said you’d cover your real feelings.
124 – unbelievable,
iri lacks two things: a brain and a soul. How the repugs taught a one-celled animal to type eludes me.
Comment by WaltTheMan
So I guess this means a contribution to my election fund is out of the question?
February 22nd, 2006 at 11:16 amThere you go with the damn numbers again.
What ‘numbers’? I don’t know what you mean by that. And, while we’re at it – what’s a ‘moonbat’?
But in general I find scant evidence that commonly held prejudices and stereotypes are wrong and my “friends of color†agree. They don’t like or associate with people caught up in the American Negro sub-culture either.
Scant evidence isn’t the same things as judging people before you know anything about them. If you assume the worst in someone, regardless of their traits, you will usually get it. This is my problem with those who announce and live by stereotypes instead of treating each individual as an individual.
Don’t take this to your usual extremes. I’m not saying trust everyone you meet. Just don’t close doors on people because they share a trait with others who fit that scant evidence of the sterotype.
For example… I have several kids in my classes who are black. They range the spectrum from personality to academics to behavior – just as the white kids do. For me to treat them all equally is the same as assuming that all the white kids are smart, or studious, or equal in any other regard. It isn’t accurate and it isn’t fair. And while there are kids who fit the stereotypes, across the board, they are the minority. Not the other way around.
I just believe that if we expect more from humanity, instead of lazily applying labels and stereo-types, we might be surprised to see just how much of it we get. I see it routinely in my classroom. Some kid who turns his or her life around because someone else believed in him or her. And, a kid who gave up on life, because the system had given up on him.
I’m not about throwing money at programs and people and expecting it to all be better. That’s assinine and highly naive. I expect us to get to know our neighbor, one another, and to care. It’s what has gotten us into so much trouble. Isolation, segregation and hate for the unknown.
I doubt that. Women don’t learn the same lessons, but just in case please do tell what education you’re talking about.
I’ve experienced far more of the world and of life than they have. Partly because I was born first, and partly because I’m not afraid to try new and different things. I’m not afraid of ‘failure’, as I believe there are choices and consquences, and very rarely true failure. And it’s only from taking risks that we can learn anything at all.
I didn’t say that you weren’t annoying I said you’d cover your real feelings.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 11:16 am
So you’re saying that I’m annoying then? :)
But, you’d be wrong. I try to be supportive and constructive with my criticism, and perhaps that is a natural feminine trait in itself that I will concede, but I don’t intentionally hide anything. Most of the time people know what I’m thinking by the look on my face before I ever utter a word.
I just think stereo-types close doors before we’ve ever had the opportunity to get to know the person in front of us. And when we close doors, we miss an opportunity. Because everyone single one of us has things to offer. Every single one.
February 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 pmI just think stereo-types close doors before we’ve ever had the opportunity to get to know the person in front of us. And when we close doors, we miss an opportunity. Because everyone single one of us has things to offer. Every single one.
Comment by unbelievable
That’s a nice thought and something worth considering. Do you suppose it would be a problem if I answered the door with a gun in one hand?
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:47 pmDo you suppose it would be a problem if I answered the door with a gun in one hand?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
You already do…
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:41 pmDo you suppose it would be a problem if I answered the door with a gun in one hand?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
You already do…
Comment by unbelievable —
Actually I don’t. I was speaking metaphorically. There are certain communities of people I do not trust. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way it is. What those communities and this country needs is revival and I’m not talking about that “praise Jesus, hand waving, swooning, strutting, vocalizing” nonsense that passes for worship in so many of those churches. They need to get with the program and fight the ghetto sub-culture. Denounce it, curse it, ridicule it and shame anyone that dares emulate it. Instead they want to teach Ebonics and pretend that Kwanza wasn’t made up by a black felon. I’ll keep my powder dry thank you.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:36 pmActually I don’t. I was speaking metaphorically.
So was I. You labeled me as a “moonbat” and an unwashed lesbian man-hater before you ever got to know me, just because I’m liberal. And how that you know me a lot better, you won’t tell me anything personal about yourself because you think I have ulterior motives. I couldn’t come up with a better allegory than you did on accident.
There are certain communities of people I do not trust. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way it is.
Yes, I agtee that it is unfortunate that we live in a culture that teaches white people to fear black people when you are far more likely to die at your own hands than at those of a stranger. We fear the things that will sell television shows. Think about it.
What those communities and this country needs is revival and I’m not talking about that “praise Jesus, hand waving, swooning, strutting, vocalizing†nonsense that passes for worship in so many of those churches.
You’re Southern Baptist… :)
They need to get with the program and fight the ghetto sub-culture. Denounce it, curse it, ridicule it and shame anyone that dares emulate it.
I was getting attitude from a girl in my class this week who is usually one of my better students. She’s smart, funny, beautiful and I just like her. For some reason she wasn’t paying attention last week and failed the last test. She was trying to blame me in teh classroom and was shooting empty threats about her father coming to talk to me if everyone failed. I told her that when I had mostly A’s on that test, and even my special ed students were passing it, I thought she needed to examine her own behavior. She wanted to sulk and fight.
Today, after things got really heated, I took her into the hall and I told her that I believed in her and that I knew she was capable of anything she wanted to do. That she was smart and beautiful and that I knew she was capable of doing better – she just shouldn’t let herself down in order to impress her peers. She cried a lot, I cried a bit, and I hugged her. I told her I’d help her help herself. And I meant it. It’s why I am here.
At the end of the day she made a special effort to come by my class to tell me to have a nice evening.
Do you think that would have been possible if I’d dismissed her as just another black kid with an attitude?
Instead they want to teach Ebonics and pretend that Kwanza wasn’t made up by a black felon. I’ll keep my powder dry thank you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 22, 2006 @ 9:36 pm
Look, I don’t disagree that there are some bad cultural habits being passed from generation to generation – in every culture – that does more harm than good for the people of that specific society.
But, at the same time too, I believe in picking your battles. If people want to celebrate an obscure holiday, what does it matter to anyone else really? I used to send my Jewish friends Channukah cards, and they used to laugh because I was the only one they’d receive one from (it’s not their big holiday, I was told).
Acceptance is just so much easier. And I think you know that or you wouldn’t bother talking to me at all, moonbat that I am (are you going to tell me what that is? :)
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:36 pmAcceptance is just so much easier. And I think you know that or you wouldn’t bother talking to me at all, moonbat that I am (are you going to tell me what that is? :)
Comment by unbelievable
If I knew how to post a pic I’d show you one.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 amIf I knew how to post a pic I’d show you one.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 23, 2006 @ 11:48 am
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