Comments on: The death of neoconservatism? http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:15:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Margherita http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-4786352 Margherita Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:21:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-4786352 <strong>Margherita</strong> After surfing the web for hours, its really nice to someone with a brain about things i'm intested in. Thanks for the intellectual inter....your get the idea. Margherita

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]]> By: mr ho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-454235 mr ho Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:16:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-454235 We cannot answer all the Questions of Time Space nor Life itself. We do not know. We cannot say with Certainty what 'Reality' is. Thats why Fukuyama, Bloom and others are considered Philosophists. We cannot answer all the Questions of Time Space nor Life itself. We do not know.

We cannot say with Certainty what ‘Reality’ is. Thats why Fukuyama, Bloom and others are considered Philosophists.

]]> By: The New Vernacular » The end of ‘The End of History’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-454144 The New Vernacular » The end of ‘The End of History’ Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:08:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-454144 [...] hat tip: Think Progress [...] [...] hat tip: Think Progress [...]

]]> By: kirk hartwein http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453606 kirk hartwein Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:52:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453606 So now that you have destroyed our reputation around the world, apppointed the necessary people to the supreme court to swing the votes toward your conservative agenda, created record deficits, now, you decide its time to move onto other things and lay waste elsewhere while broadening your influence. All with the feeling that however complex the neocon roots, you have all been somewhat mislabled during this administration or that people have gotten your agenda all wrong. neocons should take responsibility for problems created in their own image. So now that you have destroyed our reputation around the world, apppointed the necessary people to the supreme court to swing the votes toward your conservative agenda, created record deficits, now, you decide its time to move onto other things and lay waste elsewhere while broadening your influence. All with the feeling that however complex the neocon roots, you have all been somewhat mislabled during this administration or that people have gotten your agenda all wrong. neocons should take responsibility for problems created in their own image.

]]> By: mr ho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453314 mr ho Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:11:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453314 #I’ve always contended that the “Con” in “Neo-Con” does NOT stand for Conservative! The “Con” in “Neo-Con” stands for Conspire and/or Connive. They are nothing more than a bunch of crooks looting the Federal Reserve. Comment by Horus45 — February 21, 2006 @ 10:24 am Lets break it Down... Con is with as in Con Queso (with Cheese) Serve. To serve Serf perhaps Slave Slave-ative or Ownership Society Ergo Neo-Con comes to be <strong>With New Slaves</strong> #I’ve always contended that the “Con” in “Neo-Con” does NOT stand for Conservative!
The “Con” in “Neo-Con” stands for Conspire and/or Connive.
They are nothing more than a bunch of crooks looting the Federal Reserve.

Comment by Horus45 — February 21, 2006 @ 10:24 am

Lets break it Down…

Con is with as in Con Queso (with Cheese)
Serve. To serve Serf perhaps Slave
Slave-ative or Ownership Society

Ergo
Neo-Con comes to be

With New Slaves

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453271 big papa Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453271 Just curious [insert neo-conservative poster’s name here] - which part of the average American’s life has GW improved since he’s been in office? Comment by bobcat_grad #1 bobcat, Your bulleted comments are proof positive that <strong>conservatives/neoconservatives are traitors</strong>... They <strong>hate America</strong>, and are bound and <strong>determined to destroy it</strong>... These are <strong>your neighbors, family members, and friends</strong>... ...but you must <strong>choose btwn </strong>suborning their <strong>treason</strong>... ...or <strong>saving our country</strong>... Just curious [insert neo-conservative poster’s name here] – which part of the average American’s life has GW improved since he’s been in office?

Comment by bobcat_grad #1

bobcat,

Your bulleted comments are proof positive that conservatives/neoconservatives are traitors…

They hate America, and are bound and determined to destroy it…

These are your neighbors, family members, and friends…

…but you must choose btwn suborning their treason…

…or saving our country…

]]> By: Horus45 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453173 Horus45 Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:24:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453173 I've always contended that the "Con" in "Neo-Con" does NOT stand for Conservative! The "Con" in "Neo-Con" stands for Conspire and/or Connive. They are nothing more than a bunch of crooks looting the Federal Reserve. I’ve always contended that the “Con” in “Neo-Con” does NOT stand for Conservative!
The “Con” in “Neo-Con” stands for Conspire and/or Connive.
They are nothing more than a bunch of crooks looting the Federal Reserve.

]]> By: Justino http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453072 Justino Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:09:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453072 Perhaps I have not seen it, but it seems no one has bothered to clarify the meaning of 'realist' in the above quote. Commentators have been misinterpreting it as 'realistic,' which has nothing to do with it. Realist and realism are terms used in political science to refer to theories that are based on a couple of core assumptions. Primarily these: (1) that the world consists of sovereign nation states and their recognized governments, (2) that everyone in the world is trying to maximize wealth and/or power and/or security (depending on which sub-category of realism we are talking about), and (3) that the international system is anarchic, that is, there is no power above that of the nation state and the relations between these are not built upon any particular structure or organization. I hope this clarifies things somewhat. Perhaps I have not seen it, but it seems no one has bothered to clarify the meaning of ‘realist’ in the above quote. Commentators have been misinterpreting it as ‘realistic,’ which has nothing to do with it. Realist and realism are terms used in political science to refer to theories that are based on a couple of core assumptions. Primarily these: (1) that the world consists of sovereign nation states and their recognized governments, (2) that everyone in the world is trying to maximize wealth and/or power and/or security (depending on which sub-category of realism we are talking about), and (3) that the international system is anarchic, that is, there is no power above that of the nation state and the relations between these are not built upon any particular structure or organization.

I hope this clarifies things somewhat.

]]> By: mr ho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453058 mr ho Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:30:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453058 Monday :: Feb 20, 2006 Zogby: Bush Approval Rating Among Conservatives Down To 61% Zogby’s latest poll, out today, shows Bush at 40% approval. But the real news in the poll is that Zogby is seeing slippage in Bush’s base. Monday :: Feb 20, 2006
Zogby: Bush Approval Rating Among Conservatives Down To 61%

Zogby’s latest poll, out today, shows Bush at 40% approval. But the real news in the poll is that Zogby is seeing slippage in Bush’s base.

]]> By: mr ho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-453029 mr ho Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:04:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-453029 The MASONIC MOTTO : ORDO AB CHAO or "Order out of Chaos" (back of one dollar Bill Masonic pyramid the words on it means New World Order basically) Yet Democracy is based on Platos republic (in effect) and Marxist Capital system. What was it that Marx Said? <strong>The bureaucracy is a circle from which one cannot escape. Its hierarchy is a hierarchy of knowledge. The top entrusts the understanding of detail to the lower levels, whilst the lower levels credit the top with understanding of the general, and so all are mutually deceived.</strong> --Karl Marx Karl Marx said he wasnt Marxist and he wasnt Kidding. His last name was actually Levy No wonder Fukayama says he Needs 'New Ideas' because hes just rehashing the same very Old Hegelian Marxist Masonic Script. sarcasm on/ What a Lovely Scenario! More Coffee!! =) The MASONIC MOTTO : ORDO AB CHAO or “Order out of Chaos”
(back of one dollar Bill Masonic pyramid the words on it means New World Order basically)

Yet Democracy is based on Platos republic (in effect) and Marxist Capital system. What was it that Marx Said?

The bureaucracy is a circle from which one cannot escape. Its hierarchy is a hierarchy of knowledge. The top entrusts the understanding of detail to the lower levels, whilst the lower levels credit the top with understanding of the general, and so all are mutually deceived.
–Karl Marx

Karl Marx said he wasnt Marxist and he wasnt Kidding.
His last name was actually Levy

No wonder Fukayama says he Needs ‘New Ideas’ because hes just rehashing the same very Old Hegelian Marxist Masonic Script.

sarcasm on/
What a Lovely Scenario!

More Coffee!! =)

]]> By: yeahfun. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452995 yeahfun. Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:36:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452995 as ive stated i aint no expert but it seems to me, that there was nothing realpolitik about the invasion of iraq and i suppose all that has followed. Whats funny is that why the bush mentioned isolationists in his speech, why mary m mentioned parrallel worlds in her mtp rant, why she also supposed(in the same rant) "what the american people want", that rummy after coming back from africa has a new plan for propaganda, that fukuyama has a big piece in the times talking about neoconservatives and voices a plea for not "neoconservative or realist" ideas. Some might say Bush aint neocon but he is now! They have demonstrated however neither conservatism or realpolitik. They have demonstrated ability to deplete funds and exploit the most ideological. What is fukuyama talking about? as ive stated i aint no expert but it seems to me, that there was nothing realpolitik about the invasion of iraq and i suppose all that has followed. Whats funny is that why the bush mentioned isolationists in his speech, why mary m mentioned parrallel worlds in her mtp rant, why she also supposed(in the same rant) “what the american people want”, that rummy after coming back from africa has a new plan for propaganda, that fukuyama has a big piece in the times talking about neoconservatives and voices a plea for not “neoconservative or realist” ideas. Some might say Bush aint neocon but he is now! They have demonstrated however neither conservatism or realpolitik. They have demonstrated ability to deplete funds and exploit the most ideological. What is fukuyama talking about?

]]> By: yellodog http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452987 yellodog Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:24:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452987 Bobcat_grad, Your post at #18 is spot on. The neocons should harken to Jefferson: "Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one." No need to legislate that, in my opinion. Bobcat_grad,

Your post at #18 is spot on. The neocons should harken to Jefferson: “Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.”

No need to legislate that, in my opinion.

]]> By: Chewbacca http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452939 Chewbacca Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:08:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452939 We were taught in college that the most necessary ingredient for democracy was literacy. Theory being, if you cannot read a ballot and read published discussions of issues, your vote is not meaningful. In many islamic nations (but not Iraq), the literacy rate is low and Akbar is concerned only about where he is going to get his next meal. A Pakistani doctor I know says that democracy will never work over there. The only thing thing that has ever worked in those societies is despotism. He says to pray for a benevolent despot. I believe Fukuyama was one of the original signators on the PNAC's original position statement )along with Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, J. Bush, Abrams etc). I believe he is one of the intellectual founders of the neo-con movement. It sounds as if he is at least giving a nod to Buchannan's "Where the Right Went Wrong". His criticism of the Bush policy failures is significant and may foreshadow the crumbling of the movement. We were taught in college that the most necessary ingredient for democracy was literacy. Theory being, if you cannot read a ballot and read published discussions of issues, your vote is not meaningful. In many islamic nations (but not Iraq), the literacy rate is low and Akbar is concerned only about where he is going to get his next meal. A Pakistani doctor I know says that democracy will never work over there. The only thing thing that has ever worked in those societies is despotism. He says to pray for a benevolent despot.

I believe Fukuyama was one of the original signators on the PNAC’s original position statement )along with Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, J. Bush, Abrams etc). I believe he is one of the intellectual founders of the neo-con movement. It sounds as if he is at least giving a nod to Buchannan’s “Where the Right Went Wrong”. His criticism of the Bush policy failures is significant and may foreshadow the crumbling of the movement.

]]> By: thot's n TN http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452934 thot's n TN Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:01:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452934 #63 I don't know what HardBall you were watching but from my house dewine is washed up and trashed. Hackett was just being his own person out spoken and honest something you republicans need to take a lesson in how to be honest,truthful,procountry,anti foreign governments taking over our ports and military equipment transfers, You republicans could also learn to have real honest to god people to people compassion, you republicans deserve to been under a ruler like Bandarbush. There's plenty of thug give ameria away to the highest bidder blogs so don't let the door hit your ass going out! Bam-Crash- gutter time for Neo cons.. #63 I don’t know what HardBall you were watching but from my house dewine is washed up and trashed. Hackett was just being his own person out spoken and honest something you republicans need to take a lesson in how to be honest,truthful,procountry,anti foreign governments taking over our ports and military equipment transfers, You republicans could also learn to have real honest to god people to people compassion, you republicans deserve to been under a ruler like Bandarbush. There’s plenty of thug give ameria away to the highest bidder blogs so don’t let the door hit your ass going out! Bam-Crash- gutter time for Neo cons..

]]> By: bobcat_grad http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452881 bobcat_grad Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:59:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452881 Gore is a Liar is a troll. A sad, talking-point-reciting, incapable of thinking for himself, troll. Go exercise the ability to reason your neo-conservative God gave you to exercise the free speech the founding fathers granted you. PS - I believe in God, just not the one the Neo-Cons keep pointing to as the basis for their views on social policies. Stop the hate posts before they start, please. Gore is a Liar is a troll.

A sad, talking-point-reciting, incapable of thinking for himself, troll.

Go exercise the ability to reason your neo-conservative God gave you to exercise the free speech the founding fathers granted you.

PS – I believe in God, just not the one the Neo-Cons keep pointing to as the basis for their views on social policies. Stop the hate posts before they start, please.

]]> By: TJM http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452879 TJM Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:57:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452879 For truth: go to www.bls.gov. Click on the National Employment (it's on the upper right of the page) then go to general overview and then the Employment Situation Summary. You'll find a 26 page release describing the statisics for January 06. It includes data on the size of the work force as a per cent of the total population and lots of other statistics. On p.3 you'll see that the BLS counts 1.6 million people in 1/06 as "marginally attached" ;not counted as unemployed because they had not looked for work in the last 4 weeks. There are 150 million in the work force,an additional 1.6 million marginally attached would raise the official unemployment rate a little more than 1%. For truth: go to http://www.bls.gov.

Click on the National Employment (it’s on the upper right of the page) then go to general overview and then the Employment Situation Summary.

You’ll find a 26 page release describing the statisics for January 06. It includes data on the size of the work force as a per cent of the total population and lots of other statistics.

On p.3 you’ll see that the BLS counts 1.6 million people in 1/06 as “marginally attached” ;not counted as unemployed because they had not looked for work in the last 4 weeks.

There are 150 million in the work force,an additional 1.6 million marginally attached would raise the official unemployment rate a little more than 1%.

]]> By: For Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452845 For Truth Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:19:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452845 "Gore is a liar" sounds like ruppart or wwallace. “Gore is a liar” sounds like ruppart or wwallace.

]]> By: For Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/comment-page-2/#comment-452844 For Truth Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:17:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/20/the-death-of-neoconservatism/#comment-452844 Ryan Neat is correct about unemployment numbers, the percentage is based on people who are eligible or apply for unemployment, how could this be reflective of the actual number of people who are out of a job? I have never expected to collect unemployment, and have quit, been fired, or layed off before. Ryan Neat is correct about unemployment numbers, the percentage is based on people who are eligible or apply for unemployment, how could this be reflective of the actual number of people who are out of a job? I have never expected to collect unemployment, and have quit, been fired, or layed off before.

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