Fox News Conspiracy Theory: Russia Moved Saddam’s WMD To Syria
Fox News Conspiracy Theory: Russia Moved Saddam’s WMD To Syria
Last night, Fox News military analyst Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney put forth a radical new theory on why we didn’t find WMD’s in Iraq – the Russians moved them to Syria. Watch it:
O’REILLY: What do you believe happened?
MCINERNEY: Well, I believe that — that [Saddam Hussein] had [WMD] and then the Russians convinced him, because they sent a team in, a Spetsnaz [Russian Special Forces] team in, and they moved those weapons into three locations in Syria and one into Bekaa Valley. And they did it very thoroughly. They were very professional. They were Spetsnaz with GRU. They knew exactly where all the material was, because they were preventing the inspectors from finding it. And then they had a brilliant what they call mass deroka – deception – campaign. When the Iraqi survey group didn’t find anything, then they spread throughout the capitals of Europe and the U.N: “See, there were no WMD.”
O’REILLY: So you believe that the Russians themselves moved the WMD’s?
MCINERNEY: Absolutely, absolutely.
O’Reilly didn’t challenge McInerney’s assertion. The 92-page Duelfer report addendum, however, found “no information gleaned from questioning Iraqis supported the possibility†Saddam moved WMD to Syria. McInerney’s theory is breathtakingly conspiratorial. He not only argues Russia moved the WMDs out of Iraq, but he also says they covered the whole thing up with a massive propoganda campaign.
It’s all par for the course in the No Spin Zone.
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This is Rumsfeld propaganda, with the help of the Israeli Mossad, so ignore the crap about Iraq WMD moved to Syria!
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:16 pmok….PROVE IT general…
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:16 pmSo the invasion was cool after all? Let’s move on.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmDaisy Bumble and Christy The Magic Pixie have them stored in thier comfy tumbledown cottage down in the dingley dell.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:18 pmWhat a cute theory. I needed a good laugh this morning!
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 pmDon’t we have satelites? They must not have beening working at that time I guess.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 pmOh my.
Really? That’s the theory from the right?
Well, I guess the we can stop trying to come up with crazy conspiracy theories, cause the conservatives just took top price in lunacy.
Wow.
(I put the over-under of a neo-con coming on this thread and saying they believe this story at post #18)
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February 22nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmThe Russians, remember them? They were the boogeymen for sixty years. Why not bring them out of retirement? Red Scare AND WMD, please protect us King George.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmSo this is the Bush Regime plan to divert attention away from their dirty deal selling out our port operations to UAE? Claiming that old story about WMD being sent to Syria > lol.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmHeres the deal.
Its MOOT.
North Korea in open defiance to the US has openly told us they have Nuclear weapons now and we did nothing.
We didn’t invade North Korea. Why?
Cause they shoot back.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:26 pmWe can’t pick and choose an absolute policy.
If we only invade the countries who threaten nuclear capability who cannot defend themselves against us, then the world is going to quickly catch on, and toss a wrench into the works.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmThe tin foil hats are in force on Fox.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pmThis flies in the face of our leader, playing his best Carnak, pronouncing, “I looked into his (Putin’s) eyes and I saw his soul.”
We had satellites and surveillance planes all over Iraq long before the invasion, but this general has the real information — yeah, right.
What’s he hearing from his dental fillings?
Jay Randal. Your post number 10 is EXACTLY what this is.
They tried with the arrest of 3 supposed terror suspects here in the US.
When the public didn’t buy that one, they tossed this Red Herring onto the dinnertable.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pmI always wondered why Shrubco. didn’t just plant the WMDs in Iraq to begin with. Bad planning on their part? Overconfident? ______?
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:35 pmWe must attack Syria now, as a warm up to the attack on Russia.
The we’ll come back around and finish of with UAE.
And a final flourish: all Democrats!
Fox is also going into full spin mode on how UAE are our bestest friends ever.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmThe administration and right wingers wanted to blame Clinton for the removal of the WBD’S but sadly he had a good alaby so the Russians got taged this time….Just more Bull S***. Scotty blabbing on C-Span about the ports……What’s next and when will all this crap end.?….Blessings
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmI know we had a slam dunk case on WMD’s in Iraq – that’s why we had to paint planes with UN colors to provoke an attack from Saddamm, that’s why we were carpet bombing Iraq in it’s southern borders 10 months before the 03 March invasion to provoke a retaliation, that’s why we sent special US covert forces into Iraq months before the 03 March Invasion to pay off Iraqi’s who would plant WMD’s in various parts of Iraq so we could find them (didn’t work out because the CIA determined that when found, the markings on the materials could easily be traced elseware) – YES all these things and more conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that it could have only been the Russian Special Forces that would make a deal with Syria to hide ALL of these materials in their country.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmso the Neo-cons are now espousing Conspiracy theory…
Interesting. Someone get the Tin Foil hat back from Rush Limbaugh and give it to this man.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmHell, let’s just attack Iran, Syria, N. Korea and Russia. We’ll show the rest of the world who’s boss!
We’ll take ‘em all on! To quote Bush, “Bring ‘em on!”
Send in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, The Coast Guard, the National Guard, the Reserves, the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, women with PMS, men who live with women with PMS: it’s Armageddon Time People! Time to step up to the plate and die for Bush’s “noble cause!”
Or not.
Imagine how Russia, and the rest of the world, might take this news. Hmmmm…Bush has weapons of mass destruction…Bush uses weapons of mass destruction….Bush detains, tortures and murders people in flagrant disregard of international law…Bush wages premptive war based on lies in violation of international law…
Sounds a lot like the arguments Bush gave for getting rid of Saddam. Now, how would we react if the rest of the world invaded America to depose Bush, disband our government, create a transitional government and draft a new constitution? Would we welcome the invading forces as liberators, or fight them every step of the way?
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmSyria and Iran don’t have Nukes and that is the real reason we are invading them just like with Iraq.
I strongly think Israel has a lot to do with the Invasion of Syria and Iraq and as Jew I am opposed to Israel’s heavy handed ways.
Bob Dole has been retained to lobby on the Behalf of the U.A.E. CNN just reporting….
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmI thought the Right hated conspiracy theories. Oh…I see, just not when they have one.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmRemember, before the invasion the administration knew where those WMD were, but never disclosed that info to the UN Inspectors. Also if they knew where the WMD were, then why was the adminsitration not able to follow them out of Iraq? Is it another case of incompetance? Nah, it’s just pure BS and this story is more BS. It’s simply smoke and mirrors once again. Eventually these guys waving all thse mirrors and blowing all this smoke are going to forget what they are doing and start crossing themselves up with their stories…wait the president did that with his “I know nothing about the ports deal” Sgt Schultz impersonation.
Oh Well, my theory is that aliens removed them to the dark side of the moon and are waiting for the right opportunity to use them. Damned aliens, can’t trust any of them.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:41 pm# 20 I think right now some of us would help to arrest bush and co…
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:42 pmI believe in talking pineapples. =|
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:42 pmYes worfeus the Bush Regime operatives are getting desperate to divert attention away from the dirty deal on the ports, so they are trying out this old debunked story of Iraqi WMD hidden in Syria! Lol, next they will claim Osama is hiding in Iran!
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:42 pmIt’s a sure bet that the US will invade any country that (1) is about to switch from the dollar to the Euro and (2) has oil – por que? – because once the country who has oil converts to the Euro, the value of the dollar to buy that oil decreases. Such as the case was about to be with Iraq, such as the case will be with Iran and Syria.
AMEN.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmoh great! so we “defeat” communism, only to bolster militant Islamist states who have turned against us, and now the Russians are back in it? one step up, two steps back!
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmMy poor kids, their freinds, all young Americans and their futures. This is not going to end well.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:50 pmA clear provocation.I bet the Russians are happy to hear about this “theory”.
Stating something to be true that is neither proven nor possible to disprove is not a reliable method for formulating strategy. In fact, there’s a specific word for adhering to that type of theory — it’s called “faith”.
Congratulations, we now have faith-based national defense.
/cry
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:50 pmOr it could be about this:
Russia Warns U.S. Against Striking Iran
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5624594,00.html
and this….
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HA31Ak02.html
and this….
http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2138.cfm
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:53 pmAnd Wolfowitz and Feith couldnt FIND a Sattelite Photo of Trucks CARRYING Huge Stockpiles of WMD?
Hell that doesnt really matter anyway because the US ‘Leaders’ and their ‘Balance of Power’ With their UK lapdog ‘leaders’ sold and sent this stuff to SADDAM. They GAVE him the Technology to produce WMD. How Stupid is that?
Now Im going to Fill you people in on a Little Secret about History
that perhaps you didnt know.
Google Khazar and follow the History of that Name thru time and wars. You will find a Very Big Lie has been told.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmSpetsnaz and GRU? Sounds like he’s been watching his grandkids play too many videogames. Was Revolver Ocelot in charge? Did they attach those weapons to Metal Gear?
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmDUMB OF THESE NEOCONS TO STICK THE RUSSIANS INTO THEIR STORY. NOW, BUSH IS OUT ON A LIMB:
• IF HE WANTS TO LOOK LIKE A PRESIDENT WHO WILL DEFEND AMERICA, HE HAS TO ATTACK RUSSIA NOW.
• IF HE DOESN’T ATTACK THEM, HE’LL LOOK LIKE A COWARDLY LITTLE DRAFT DODGER WHO DOESN’T CARE ABOUT DEFENDING AMERICA.
COME TO THINK OF IT, MAYBE THE NEOCONS ARE ALL JUST SETTING BUSH UP TO TAKE THE FALL.
SINCE THE NEOCONS HAVE PRETTY MUCH FILTERED OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE NOW ANYWAY (EXCEPT FOR CHENEY), THEY HAVEN’T GOT ANYTHING TO LOSE.
POOR LITTLE RICH CHIMP.
February 22nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmLooks like someone’s seen Red Dawn a few too many times…
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmAre you freaking kiding me. We are now going to attack the Russians for “moving WMDs to Syria”?
Okay, one more time for those NeoCons that missed it:
BBC
August 18, 2005
China-Russia war games under way
The right wing is barking up the wrong damn tree.
Russia and China also have contracts with Iran for oil.
Syria, Iran and Russia are off fvcking limits you a$$holes. We can’t just attack anybody we feel like.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pm#35
Wolverines!
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmDoes this mean (heaven forfend) that the Russians are in line for being put on the target list? Surely the Bush administration wouldn’t be that stupid!
…would they…??
After all, Bush said more than once early on that “either you are with us or with the terrorists”. If the Russians actually had moved Iraq’s alleged stockpile of WMD into Syria (not that I believe it), that would mean that we can’t be friends with Russia anymore — so much for “I was able to get a sense of his soul”, eh?
If Russia were to be added to the target list, I think we can take two things more or less as read — first, that the Bush administration has collectively and totally lost whatever degree of sanity it might ever have possessed and second, that we can all kiss our posteriors goodbye. After all, it may be quieter in the bear’s cave these days but that doesn’t mean that it’s dead — just dozing…
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmWe’re going to be seeing a lot of very strange stuff in the next few weeks. This administration is beginning to sweat for real now. They sense the facade is crumbling. They will get weirder and more dangerous. We must continue to speak out, demand the facts, and remove them from office as quickly as possible.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmThese are the same people that believe the earth is an 8000 year old flat surface that whole stars fall on, greeted by clay men and talking donkeys. Fantasy is the life blood of the partisan and the extremist. The republican partisans and their partisan brains will always find reasons to believe the silliest and most delusional nonsense to retain their partisan views. Poor things. I forgive you Lt. General, no matter how silly, whacko or nutso you sound. I’m sure your fear, hate, patriotism and partisanship is what made you so crazy.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmYou Know i tried to get the Oford dictionary to change their spelling of Gulible to Gullibull They werent having any of it
So As from now in America its spelt GulliBull OK you suckers can fall for it
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:08 pmThere is an excellent and amusing review of this nonsense on: World O’Crap
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:12 pmhttp://blogs.salon.com/0002874/. It’s referenced and you’ll have a good chuckle.
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Remember the neocons were pissed at Reagan for making nice with the Russians and bringing down the USSR peacefully. The neocons wanted to WIN the cold war via all the fancy military blowem ups they built.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:14 pm#We’re going to be seeing a lot of very strange stuff in the next few weeks. This administration is beginning to sweat for real now. They sense the facade is crumbling. They will get weirder and more dangerous. We must continue to speak out, demand the facts, and remove them from office as quickly as possible.
Comment by suzanne — February 22, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
mr ho sees suzanne has found her balance.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmAnd he smiles.
Old news.
http://www.debka.com/ reported this during the run-up to the invasion.
Did any MSM pick it up? no. Did the Pentagon follow up? who knows.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmThat theory is no more or less wacked than those who think that the U.S. government was behind the WTC attacks and subsequent collapses.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmThis wasn’t the Colts’ Robert Irsay loading up the Atlas moving vans and skulking out of Baltimore in the dead of night headed for Indianapolis. IF this really happened, and I’m just spitballin’ here, dontcha think one of our spy satellites would have noticed a massive and extended “bugout” to Syria? Oh wait, did McInerney fail to mention Saddam’s other WMD (Weapons of Miniturization Design) program?
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmAre you freaking kiding me. We are now going to attack the Russians for “moving WMDs to Syria�
Okay, one more time for those NeoCons that missed it:
BBC
August 18, 2005
China-Russia war games under way
The Russian and Chinese armed forces have begun their first joint military exercises.
Marines will storm beaches and paratroopers will descend in a mock invasion of an imaginary country.
The eight-day operation got underway with consultations between military delegations from the two countries in Vladivostok, in Russia’s far east.
Analysts say China and Russia are signalling they are prepared to counter US dominance in international affairs.
The right wing is barking up the wrong damn tree.
Russia and China also have contracts with Iran for oil.
Syria, Iran and Russia are off fvcking limits you a$$holes. We can’t just attack anybody we feel like. — Spudge Boy
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No kidding. I’ve been saying for years — since before 9-11, in fact — that the United States should be very concerned indeed about any potential alliances between China and Russia. If memory serves (and it usually does), the two countries were discussing the possibility of mending their long-standing rift all the way back in mid-2001. If there’s one thing which this country simply cannot afford under any circumstances — never mind at a time when our military is already overclocking — it’s a conflict pitting the United States against the joint forces of China and Russia.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:20 pmThis is Reagan’s fault. “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall” is what led to this. Fortunately for the Russians, Syrians, and Iraqis, the Bush administration wasn’t watching Iraq very closely during the build-up to the war, otherwise a spyplane or satellite certainly would’ve caught them. Phew!
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmI put the over-under of a neo-con coming on this thread and saying they believe this story at post #18)
Damn, I should have taken the over.
I’d love to say that this guy represents some type of lunatic fringe element, but DAMN, it’s getting difficult to tell which “crazies” are in charge, and which “crazies” are just crazy.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmComment by Bush Bites — February 22, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
HUH! IT ALMOST MAKES YOU THINK…excuse me…it almost makes you think that maybe it isn’t a neo-con conspiracy. Maybe the General was just voicing his opinion.
Does anybody here find it odd that you follow a charge of tin-foil-hat-ism with your own tin-foil-hat conspiracies?
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:25 pmI keep finding it hard to believe that they think anyone would buy this sort of b.s.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 pmI mean, if you’re smart enough to find your television’s ‘on’ button, you’re smart enough to see through fox news.
so if russia moved iraq’s wmd to syria, why don’t they just give those wmd to iran and save themselves the trouble/cost of assisting the iranians in their standoff with the u.n.?
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmThat theory is no more or less wacked than those who think that the U.S. government was behind the WTC attacks and subsequent collapses.
But, I haven’t seen retired brass on TV pushing that theory. Hell, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that on TV.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmI mean, if you’re smart enough to find your television’s ‘on’ button, you’re smart enough to see through fox news.
Unfortunately, I see by the ratings, there is conflicting data related to that assertion.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 pmI mean, if you’re smart enough to find your television’s ‘on’ button, you’re smart enough to see through fox news.
Comment by Keith H. — February 22, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
If this were true, the support for the invasion for Iraq would have been close to 0%. And the percentage of people who stil believe Iraq had WMDs would be about the same. That’s not the case.
FauxNews is pushing this nonsense because Iraq’s WMDs still resonate with a lot of people. I am sure a lot will buy into the craziness.
That’s the sad reality.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmWhile its fun to talk about, I hope no one loses sight of the fact that this is just a Red Herring tossed out to take heat off the UAE debaucle.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmJust like the recent arrest of 3 supposed terror suspects.
I imagine these 3 were part of a much larger operation whose cover got blown when Bush said gimme something, anything to the DOJ. We need to arrest someone now. What do you guys have going on that we can tap?
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Anyone seen my Tin-Foil Hat??
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe PNAC people want once again regime change. Nothing but war pimping.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:42 pmI have to agree with #4:
Daisy Bumble and Christy The Magic Pixie have them stored in thier comfy tumbledown cottage down in the dingley dell.
Recent evidence from a secret and unnamed source says there are more than a few suspicions that the possibility of Bumble and Pixie’s involvement has the ring of truthiness to it.
February 22nd, 2006 at 2:54 pmWhat if it turns out to be true? What are the implications? You’re dismissing it on mere speculation.
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:13 pmOf course majically Anthrax has been “accidentally†released in New York City.
This ought to change the story away from the UAE, since the arrest of 3 terrorists and the old WMD argument didn’t do it.
Turn on the news.
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:36 pmI need a program — I can’t keep all this straight. Remind me again about the Russians — are they for us, or against us?
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:40 pmSeth, get thee down to a recruiting station and sign up–your country calls. They need you for the ground forces when they invade Russia.
Can I have your teevee when you leave? I’m pretty sure the tuner position for the FOX station will be burnt out on it.
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:45 pm#64: “Remind me again about the Russians — are they for us, or against us?” – - Just find a Russian named Vladimir and look deeply into his eyes. Ya know, they are windows into the soul.
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:55 pmI thought everybody knew the WMDs were buried in the Iraqi scientist’s garden. No,wait,that was the nuclear centrifuges.
February 22nd, 2006 at 3:55 pmThe WMDs were flown to Syria on 747s,right,I mean that was the last guy on Fox. Now we find out it was the Russians who more cleverly smuggled them out on 747s with gardens.
!!!Oh,I’m so confused!!!What if it’s in code and they meant garden variety 747s?
We’re going to be seeing a lot of very strange stuff in the next few weeks. This administration is beginning to sweat for real now. They sense the facade is crumbling. They will get weirder and more dangerous. We must continue to speak out, demand the facts, and remove them from office as quickly as possible
Comment by suzanne — February 22, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
What a great comment Suzanne.
We should repost this over and over and over.
TP should do a thread on it. Tell EVERYONE!
Don’t be SUCKERED this time. Don’t parry the fients.
Don’t eat the Red Herring. Cause we got BEEF.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmComment by worfeus — February 22, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
OMG! Fox News is reporting he probably contracted it from animal skins while recently visiting Africa!!! The right-wing is now covering up their attempted distraction!!!
Or maybe it’s just a non-story. Take out your hat liner.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:00 pmThe UAE deal could be the END of the Bush administration.
Hear me? THE END.
This one deal could be the ball game. This is not small, it’s HUGE.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:01 pmYeah, this time will be different from the last thousand times you’ve been saying it for the past five years.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:02 pmWell I can dream can’t I Seth?
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:03 pmRead this
Bush and Blair have brilliantly done Bin Laden’s work for him
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2047134,00.html
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:08 pm#69: “OMG! Fox News is reporting he probably contracted it from animal skins while recently visiting Africa!!!”
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:16 pm- – In a related story, Sen. Orrin Hatch was quoted as saying, “We need to obliterate Darfur.”
THINK PROGRESS US BRITS WILL SHOW YOU AMERICANS HOW TO DEMOSTRATE AGAINST WAR WITH 2 MILLION PEOPLE NEXT MONTHnote also if we were ever invaded these 2 million would be called insurgents ……
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4736742.stm
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmNote to the Phaux Pnews believers:
I have a bridge to sell you. It runs from Brooklyn to right over the Fulton Fish market.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pmhow many tons of vx nerve gas, anthrax, botchilism, and other weapons did we contend to the u.n. that iraq had. how many tractor trailors would it take to move this stuff? did saddam invent a shrinking ray, put it in his pocket and walk it to syria? my theory is just as good as theirs.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:52 pm#67 – TJM,
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:56 pmA garden variety 747 flies beneath the surface of the sand, plowing it. It can’t be spotted by satellites.
#15
I agree, I was sure that WMD’s would have been planted in Iraq, what happened?
February 22nd, 2006 at 5:21 pmIf this were true, the support for the invasion for Iraq would have been close to 0%. And the percentage of people who stil believe Iraq had WMDs would be about the same. That’s not the case.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 22, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
Exactly. Yesterday I gave my kids and assignment and then took them to the library to do research. The assignment is to learn about a brand new Science News topic, and then teach it to the class. Not read it off a piece of paper, but learn about it and then, in whatever manner they desire, teach it to the class. A quiz will follow in which each student contributes one test question on their lecture.
Some were thrilled, most were indifferent, and some were wrought with panic. Most of fourth period today, one of my gifted students repeatedly asked me for instructions on what I want from him. He couldn’t seem to handle the fact that no one was going to tell him exactly what to do, or how to do it. He simply did not want to think for himself. And all I could think was – Welcome to America.
February 22nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmThis is just the “mighty wurlitzer” farting. I was listening to Pat Robertson’s radio show yesterday, and he had on a civilian “analyst” who claimed the same things as Fox’s “expert” McInerny. He was pimping his book on the subject, and I’d imagine this is an attempt to help him with book sales; talk it up on radio, and the rubes will feel compelled to buy it when another “independent” source seemingly concurs on television.
February 22nd, 2006 at 5:56 pm[...] It’s time to don your tinfoil hat, change the channel from PBS to Fox News and get ready for some crazy….er, I mean…interesting theories on what happened to Saddam’s illusive [nonexistant] WMD cache. [...]
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:05 pm#80
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:09 pmthem sheeples multiply just like dirty, nasty, sneaky, cocky reichwingers, i mean roaches. and when there busted they run like cowards.
I was listening to Pat Robertson’s radio show yesterday
All I can say is, I’m sorry, and thank you for your bravery and service.
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:09 pmWhat if it turns out to be true? What are the implications? You’re dismissing it on mere speculation. — Seth
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If you’re going to ask that question, Seth, perhaps you would care to share what your own thoughts are on the subject? I’d be interested to know what you think the implications are if this story should happen to be proven true. Would you be willing to see the Bush administration add Russia to the “Axis of Evil”? Russia does have WMD, after all — and if it were proven that they deliberately sabotaged the US efforts to find WMD in Iraq, I think that would be more than sufficient to qualify them in most people’s minds as an unfriendly. Maybe the thought of potentially igniting a second Cold War on top of the War On Terror appeals to you — but I don’t much relish the thought myself. The Cold War may be over, technically speaking (I tend to refer to it as being in a state of cease-fire) and Russia may not be quite as powerful as it once was, but I think it’s safe to say that we might well find ourselves in some seriously deep excrement if we made the same sorts of threats against them that we’ve made and/or been making against Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc., etc…
I for one am reluctant to accept this claim on nothing more than somebody’s say-so, even if that person is a military expert — certainly not without more concrete evidence, and none has so far been presented. In fact, considering the way in which we’ve embarrassed ourselves in recent years over certain pieces of what was purported to be concrete evidence (”mobile chemical weapons factories”, anyone?), there might even be room for skepticism even if evidence were presented! That being said, I can’t deny the fact that one reason why I’m disinclined to believe this claim could well be the fact that the implications are profoundly disquieting to say the very least — in fact, that’s an understatement. To my way of thinking, the possibility that Iraq might have had WMD after all is of comparatively little import next to the possibility that Russia may have been working on their behalf. As I said in an earlier post on this thread, the Russian bear may have quieted down some but it’s naive to assume that this means he’s dead — and at least in my opinion, Russia would be a more worrisome foe than Iraq or even al-Qaeda (after all, last time I checked, al-Qaeda didn’t have any ICBMs). If China is added to the equation (see the earlier posts from Spudge Boy and myself), that only ups the ante considerably.
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmit’s ironic everyone is so worried about wmd in iraq and if let’s say if he does whose fault is it? american government. i know noone forgot how we sold him weapons in 1988. along with the bombs and bullets marked usarmy helping our buddy bin laden with the soviets. and allowing the soviets watch over anthrax, nerve agents. folks this shit has been going on since the 30’s. and folks are beginning to wake up and see the zionists/nazis running our nation into the ground. rothchild is the money man with the tentacles being rich of american/european. they reach fromthe banks to medias to the military complex and all the way into the wallstreet where the money, guns, and dope laundering begins. the american nazi party adopted the republican party because the view was somewhat alike. the zionists own the banking system and when there are notes going all the way back to jackson. that buys a lot of loyalty (israel). that figure owed is somewhere in the 50trillion dollar mark. and who formed pnac? zionists/nazis. they run hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly-bread and butter. why do you think arny schwarz is governor of cali. because cali was the spot that was giving the corruptors a hard time. so bushco went and the put the son of a nazi officer who praised hitler in to be governator. rove the grandson of a nazi who helped build aushwitz, rumy, ashcroft, wolfy they are all the same, zionists/nazi.
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:43 pmSure the Russkies moved them. I watched it on television, didnt you?
What a crock of unaldurated b$(&%))(/t.
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmthis shit is getting deep…..need to go get my boots and the asmat suit be right back…..
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:45 pmThey used surplus transporters from Startrek.
February 22nd, 2006 at 6:51 pm#59 I’ve never seen a better picture of George W. Bush in my life. Great going.
February 22nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmMaybe the General was just voicing his opinion. But O’liely was endorcing it to try and pull the right wing fear brigade away from the UAE story and get back on Rove’s election stragety of running on the fear er I mean war, and showing bush as the secutiry president even though he slept while we give the UAE the blue prints to all of our east coast major port facilities and operational controll over them, but this is a financial deal that does not have anything to do with security or bush would look weaker than he did by not showing up for duty fighting the viet cong in alabama.
February 22nd, 2006 at 7:26 pmActually, I’m surprised that the right-wing nuts didn’t claim that it was Bill and Hillary Clinton outsourced that job to the Russians, covering up all the ‘bimbo eruptions’ along the way.
February 22nd, 2006 at 7:28 pmSo, does anyone know when this supposed “relocation” occured? Might be relevant to the story.
February 22nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmValerie Plames front discovered this plan and screwed it up for Bushco. That is one of the many reasons she was outted.
February 22nd, 2006 at 8:00 pmSo, does anyone know when this supposed “relocation†occured? Might be relevant to the story.
Comment by Cyra Brown — February 22, 2006 @ 7:36 pm
I’ve been asking the same question for months now. With all the surveillance technology the US had when looking for those infamous WMDs, you’d think someone would know when, how, who moved these weapons.
That’s how you know the Bush administration and their minions are, once again, “catapulting the propaganda”: They hurl wild, unfounded, & unsubstantiated accusations; never produce anything resembling actual evidence (and whatever they do manage to show is bogus), parade a number of people to state the same claim, and then repeat, repeat, repeat. The very same MO that they used against Iraq.
Repeat the claim until it becomes true. Very fitting for an administration more preoccupied with PR and spin than with actual results.
February 22nd, 2006 at 8:24 pmHe couldn’t seem to handle the fact that no one was going to tell him exactly what to do, or how to do it. He simply did not want to think for himself. And all I could think was – Welcome to America.
Comment by unbelievable — February 22, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
Curiously, I recall some of my peers -who were otherwise very clever, even brilliant- had the same attitude. If it wasn’t in the books, they had a very hard time figuring out things on their own, and almost invariable expected the teachers to tell them what to do.
I think you are right when trying to foster an environment where risk-taking and some discovery is expected.
As I have said before, minions & followers are made -not born.
February 22nd, 2006 at 8:56 pm“Valerie Plames front discovered this plan and screwed it up for Bushco. That is one of the many reasons she was outted.”
Comment by Spudge_Boy
That’s exactly what I learned also — her company Brewster Jennings was on the trail and were getting too close.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:03 pmComment by Bluestocking — February 22, 2006 @ 6:13 pm
I’m glad you asked. You’re the first I’ve read to even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY. That’s all I’m doing. Everybody else here is dismissing it out of hand. That’s niave.
What I would want would depend on the circumstances. If Russian companies were involved, but not the government, I’d want us to put pressure on Russia to do something about those companies. And I’d want us to ban those companies from operating anywhere in our sphere of control until their management was replaced.
If the Russian government were involved I wouldn’t label them evil, but I’d make sure EVERYBODY knew that they performed evil. Since they would have assisted with violating UN resolutions, I would push some resolutions condemning the act. This would embarrass the UN horribly. If they want to salvage any credibility they’d act on the resolutions. And if Russia vetoed such a resolution, everybody would see just what the UN is capable of. But no, I wouldn’t start a war. We wouldn’t have to. We would get our credibility back and, in fact, look like oracles.
That’s great! I’m with you. I’m just wondering why others are willing to dismiss it so easily with even less evidence when the implications are so great. Seems kind of ignorant.
February 22nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmCuriously, I recall some of my peers -who were otherwise very clever, even brilliant- had the same attitude. If it wasn’t in the books, they had a very hard time figuring out things on their own, and almost invariable expected the teachers to tell them what to do.
It’s been pretty shocking from the really smart kids. Especially this particular kid who is actually rather arrogant about his intellect. I’m beginning to realize he’s just an excellent ‘memorizer’, and not so much of a free thinker. I’ll let you know how his assignment turns out, because I’m certainly not going to cave :). I tell them, better to fail in the classroom than in the real world.
I think you are right when trying to foster an environment where risk-taking and some discovery is expected.
As I have said before, minions & followers are made -not born.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 22, 2006 @ 8:56 pm
Thanks for your thoughts. You’re always so level headed :). And I know you’re right, it’s just that there are days when I wonder…
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 pmP.S. About my methods, not your wisdom Gregor :)
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pmWe’re going to be seeing a lot of very strange stuff in the next few weeks. This administration is beginning to sweat for real now. They sense the facade is crumbling. They will get weirder and more dangerous. We must continue to speak out, demand the facts, and remove them from office as quickly as possible
Comment by suzanne
Funny stuff. She acts like we actually count her Blue State vote! Nobody is sweating sweetheart and the facade is firmly in place. The conservative wing of the Republican party will take care of this just like we take care of everything else. The Donks are known America haters and nobody believes they really care about national security because they never have before. The entire country knows that this righteous indignation from the Talking Asses is nothing but flash and sizzle. The Republicans will hand George his ass over this and the Donks will be left in the wings looking stupid.
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 pmOoops…I got PortGate and WMDGate mixed up there suzanne. But basically the same rule applies. Back on topic, we know Saddam had loads of WMD’s because we’ve got the invoices to prove it. It’s only a matter of time before we figure out where they went and this theory is as good as any. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they got shipped to France or Germany.
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pmSeth havivg worked with WMD’s in the US army then there is alot to the story about moving them to Syria that does not hold water. First of all we were flying servailance aircraft over both Northern and Southern iraq since the end of the gulf war both AWACS and JSTARS,
The first AWACS known to most of us, tracks all airborne air craft, so no large air lift is possible. (Just stated this to eliminate theis responce)
The second JSTARS Radar operating modes include wide area surveillance, moving target indicator (MTI), sector search MTI and synthetic aperture radar. The antenna can be slued to either side of the aircraft to provide a 120 degree field of view covering nearly 19,305 square miles (50,000 square kilometers) and is capable of detecting targets at ranges from 164,049 to 820,248 feet (50 to 250 kilometers) from the aircraft. In addition to being able to detect, locate and track large numbers of ground vehicles the radar has some limited capability to detect helicopters, rotating antennas and low slow-moving fixed wing aircraft.
Having this in the Air wouldn’t the defense department use the intellegance gathered about the convoys of vehicles that would have been required to move the WMD”s to Syria to out both Saddam and Syria. Their silence is deafing to me because I know about this program, an expierental JSTARS was used in the Desert Storm and we knew what was coming at us all the time, especially during the battle for Kafji, where three Iraqi divisions were destroyed in route to the battle in convoy mode long before they got to the battle.
He might have been a general but now he looks like a fool. Here is his commentary about JSTARS on another talking head show about Kosovo;
LT. GEN. THOMAS McINERNEY (RET.): Well, I think the experience that we’ve had in Bosnia a few years ago made it clear. The Joint Stars radar aircraft that we mentioned earlier that maps the ground with a cloud-piercing radar worked surprisingly well in Desert Storm against Iraq.
Thus he knows about it and its capabilities but does not let on to reinforce the neo-con spin about WMD’s
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:32 pmWhat a lying sack. Why would we EVER believe anyone who works for the FOX news Network? They are NOT real reporters who report real stories.
February 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 pmYou mean the conservatives will finally get the Neo COns out of the party and get back to being true conservatives?
February 22nd, 2006 at 11:32 pmClif,
If what you say is accurate it’s maybe the third rational response in this thread. Considering there’s 105 responses as I write this, well, that’s just not a good population statistic. There’s a lot of knee-jerk reaction around here, and that only means anything to the fellow people who already buy it.
But a bit of advice: if you’re going to rip technical descriptions verbatim out of a reference, you’re much better off citing the reference. Otherwise it severely harms your credibility. It has here for me.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:24 amHis statements don’t pass the smell test, I just have the expierence to find the information that what Fox did this time was not fair or balanced or exactly true, most every one here thought the same as me more neo-con spin, I just knew how to prove it.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 amBut a bit of advice: if you’re going to rip technical descriptions verbatim out of a reference, you’re much better off citing the reference. Otherwise it severely harms your credibility. It has here for me.
Comment by Seth — February 23, 2006 @ 12:24 am
So sorry to so offend you your highness sir seth, here is the link, you want, can you spare me the 50 lashes;
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=598540
Geese the trolls are testy as bushco goes down in flames.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 amHe must be crazy. Sadam wouldn’t ever have wmd’s. That would be against the rules or something.
February 23rd, 2006 at 2:55 amExpect the Bush Regime to spew any nonsense it can find to divert attention away from selling out our port operations to a terrorist affiliated nation! Dubya’s so-called “War on Terrorism” has been proven phony, by his port deal with UAE!
February 23rd, 2006 at 2:57 amAre none of you people aware that this has been reported in the press ?
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060219-092126-1788r.htm
Are none of you aware that the people making these claims are the ones who have been translating intel files and tapes captured in Iraq ?
Seriously. Conspiratorial ? Yeah well in the same way as pretty much every scandal, leak and developing story you have ever referred to here.
For a little perspective… this “radical suggestion” has more physical evidence to support it than the whole NSA scandal.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:09 am[...] While we’re on the subject of Iraq myths; a myth that I’ve only noticed in the last year so far as gaining any traction is that the Russian intelligence service helped Saddam more his supposed WMD to Syria. Bill O’Reilly and Fox News analyst Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney are doing their part to keep the myth alive. These guys are old enough to know better, the Billster has been written off as a shrill nutcase long ago, but there’s no excuse for McInerney…Arms Move to Syria ‘Unlikely,’ Report Says, Mr. Duelfer reported that his group, the Iraq Survey Group, believed “it was unlikely that an official transfer of W.M.D. material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, I.S.G. was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited W.M.D.-related materials.” [...]
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:11 amheres some friendly advice
AMERICAS FOREIGN POLICY
to stay on top of the world we must put other countries down
we sell weapons to them
we start wars for them
we torture them
we jail them
we install dictators
we install puppet goverments
we commit assainations
we invade countries illegally
we spend money speading lies
we steal
we sell heroin
in fact our foreign policy is to disrupt societies of foreign countries as to keep them from progress
GROW UP THE WORLD KNOWS YOUR GAME
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 amIf you knew where the WMD’s were, you’d know where the russians or anyone else took ‘em.
I know some WMD’s….. they’re ALL OVER THE FUCKING WORLD WITH A MARK THAT SAYS: PROPERTY OF THE US OF FUCKING A.
Don’t blame the poor Arabs and Africans for the weapons you so proudly made and sold. When is America gonna stop talking and start thinking?
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:43 amSo we do, or we don’t,have satellites that can “read a license plate from space”?
That would have been my question.
February 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 am#97 & #94 Spudge and Marie thanx for the info. Unbelievable!
February 23rd, 2006 at 9:01 amComment by Clif — February 23, 2006 @ 12:58 am
I’m just suggesting keeping it clean. Don’t even LOOK like you’re plagerizing on the Internet. Most people won’t give you a second look if that’s what they think.
Interesting that I’m a troll for having an opposite opinion. On the conservative board I hang out on, we welcome opposing views, and about 25% of our regulars are liberals. “Troll” is used very sparingly. Maybe it’s a conservative thing.
February 23rd, 2006 at 9:43 amThe general has presented a hypothesis that appears lacking in significant evidence. But George Sada, former Iraqi air marshall to S. Hussein, claims that the WMDs were moved to Syria as well. And it is absolute fact that Saddam had chemical weapons and used them on his own people (or other Iraqis). Further; the intelligence agencies of Britain, Israel, France, Germany and Russia all believed that WMD were present when we invaded. France, Germany and Russia had lucrative oil contracts with the Hussein regime however, which would complicate their political decision to invade.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:05 amNo WMD were found in Iraq. Everyone can make their own decision about whether the world is a safer place without Hussein in power. And many could easily contend that Syria, Iran and North Korea are more dangerous threats. But there was a credible and legal rationale for chosing Iraq as they had been not fully complied with weapons inspections, whether the UN could be convinced military action was necessary or not.
This is actually a very funny thread. The Russians have moved the WMD to Syria. Well there are two of the rights eternal enemies (they always need an enemy). But wait the bushies knew there where WMD’s in Iraq and knew where they were. They are in the chemical lab in northeast Iraq, they are in palm groves near Baghdad, they are here they are there etc… How many times did we hear the administration state unequivocally that they knew where the WMD’s were? Too many to count. How many times did they notify the UN inspectors where to find these WMD’s? None that we know of.
Anyhow if we knew where these sites were and what they had etc… I have to assume we had some one who told us this or had assets on the ground who confirmed this. If not there is no way we could be making the 100% positive claims. But if we had assets on the ground watching these WMD’s then why where we unable to note their movement? How does this stuff disappear? Was the administration lying from day one (my guess), or where they simply too incompetent to properly follow up on tracking the WMD’s? (not totally implausible).
Any person who has served in the military (Marines and Army for certain) knows the answer if they watched video of the war early on. Multiple times there were reports of WMD being found in drums here, in warehouses there etc… then on the evening news we would see video of troops opening drums and putting the stuff on display. In those video’s I saw some very disturbing shots which made me think immediately they know they are not going to find anything and the government lied big-time. What did I see that brought me to that conclusion? Soldier wearing only protective masks and gloves opening drums full of unknown substances while surrounded by hordes of press.
Why is this proof? For those who have served you all know that when in a known chemical environment you are automatically in MOPP 4 (Mission Oriented Protective Posture). MOPP 4 is the highest level (or was when I was in) of protection against chemical agents. It involves wearing a protective mask, full chemical protection suit, rubber chemical gloves and rubber chemical boots. And no one who is not similarly attired should be in the area, also no unnecessary personnel should be nearby either. The whole goal is to limit the amount of exposure to the individual and to limit the number of individuals exposed. When I see soldiers wearing rubber gloves and masks and t shirts opening what are purported to be drums of unknown chemical agents, I immediately smell a rat. One drop of some of this stuff on the exposed skin could be fatal. Why would these guys risk the exposure to an unknown substance, and why would they let the press get so close unless they knew beforehand that they were not going to find any harmful agents.
If this happened only once I would have been suspicious, but it happened multiple times and is a major factor in why I think they knew from day one that no WMD would be found.
But how can soldiers be convinced to participate? Without uniform shits on there is were no unit patches available to observe so I was unable to tell what unit these guys might have belonged to. But their extremely unprofessional haphazard manner when handling suspected WMD’s makes me believe that these guys were not trained by the military.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 amMark having served in an Army unit that worked around chemical weapons the suit the personnal should have been wearing is actually a TAP suit, the mopp suit is not actually designed for extended exposure in an chemical enviroment because once the activated charcoal becomes overwhelmed by the higher consentrations of chem in an area where the weapons or barrels are to be examined. Not seeing the personal insuits thatare inpregnitable barriers like the tap suit is I was convinced the images were suspect, the mopp suit is not inpregnitable but basically a knit jogging suit with an activated charcoal barrier inside. If you are in Mopp4 and are exposed to a chem attack, you move OUT of the exposed area, you do not stay.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:51 amhttp://www.intelligencesummit.org/
See “Saddam’s WMD Tapes”
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmThe UPO’s took the weapons. Sometimes its better to say nothing then to keep trying to put the circle in a square. I know O’Rielly is paid by the GOP to lie but he’s starting to look like he belongs in a looney bin. Maybe he can use the Libby/North defense I can’t remember.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pm“I do not recall.” hahaha Good one though
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmSorry Joseph your link uses the same lame brain general as Fox news as an expert, read my post and you might see why I don’t place much faith in his pronouncements.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmClif, I was a scout and we had our PC’s and MOPP suits, and you’ve jogged my memory and when in Mopp gear you un ass the AO and let pros come in and do their testing. At my unit level we did not have any organic chemical warfare guys. When the unit was brought up to strength for deployment they were added. We only got the basics of personal and unit safety.
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pmI just posted it for feedback, and I got your view. Thanks
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmAt least one good thing came out of this shrine being blown up by a Bush covert operation …….YEE HAA seven american troops killed today YEE HAA
February 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmWhat does it all matter now though if they did or didn’t have WMD’s? We are there
February 23rd, 2006 at 1:04 pm#125 Mark I was an EOD unit commander(one of the pros)
February 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmAsk Fox and O’liely they keep calling it news
February 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmCliff I was tasked to go to NBC school (FT RUCKER AL maybe?) but they wanted me to re-up before I got sent and I was ready to leave.
#128 It matters greatly if this adminsitration openly lied to get this war on. Those are criems against the constitution ans ultimately against the Iraqi people if the war is illegal and was brought on via fraudulent means. Since the right like to equate Iraq to WWII remember how that one started in Europe. Hitler raised the argument that his country was in danger of attack from Poland and if memory serves me right even had some of his troops covertly cross the border and fire into Germany to give a reason to launch the war.
February 23rd, 2006 at 1:29 pmHopefully they can be punished at some point, but the fighting must go on or that country will be lost.
February 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 pmMark read the article from the army War college titled, Reconstructing Iraq, Insights, Challenges, and Missions for Military Forces in a post conflict scenario, you can download it from here;
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=182
everything that has happened is laid out inthe document written in Feb 2003 before the war even started.
February 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pm#132 Joseph I think we passed the will be lost stage a few years ago, download the article above and you can read it for yourself, and the authors are from the Army War College a notarious liberal organization acccording to Sen. Joseph McCarthy but few others.
February 23rd, 2006 at 2:06 pmHow would this sorry f*ck know this? Rummy the Dummy told him?
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 pmdt,
What people have decided to forget is that Hans Blix and the UN Inspectors were not allowed to finish their investigation of Saddam’s WMDs when W decided to invade Iraq. The inspectors had found nothing and, as we know now, would have found nothing if they had been allowed to finish. The Bushies could not allow that to happen. W and the Neocons of the Progress for a New American Century (PNAC) were going to remove Saddam and were going to use any means necessary to justify the invasion. They wanted to invade Iraq the day after 9/11 without any evidence Saddam was connected. It was the “Pearl Harbor” that they had been waiting for to get the American people behind their plan.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:26 pm[...] Extrait de l’émission de O’Reilly, Fox News, 21 fevrier 2006 : O’REILLY: What do you believe happened? [...]
February 24th, 2006 at 3:06 amWMD or not we are there .. now what
February 24th, 2006 at 9:50 amBasically Most Americans are waiting for the wealth to come from stealing Iraqs oil wealth and possibly Irans too (( as in American Battle plans for Iran here http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/ archives/ 2006/ 02/ battle_plans_fo_1.html
The democrats I think dont speak out against the war because monkey boy Bush might just manage to steal all the worlds oil reserves …therefore most say morgage paying americans , workers, fear for their future …and have hidden ajendas …If Bush pulls this steal off …and America becomes rich again the democatrats will look very foolish …I think and thats why they do not speak out
February 24th, 2006 at 5:53 pmmynewsbot,
To answer your question “Now what?”….it’s time to start pulling back our troops and allow the factions to fight it out. We’re not going to make any difference with the troop levels we have now. Staying the course is no longer an option, even William Buckley can see that (see his National Review article from 24 Feb). Increasing troop levels will not help either nor will the American people stand for it. The Shia majority will dominate in the end. Retributions against Sunnis will increase and a fundamentalist government aligned with Iran will happen. The Iraqi people hate us. No matter how long we stay, that will not change. The NeoCons have created a terrorist breeding ground bigger than Afghanistan. This is what happens when the generals (DoD) are allowed to run foreign policy instead of listening to the people who really understand geopolitics (the State Dept.) McCartyism created the Vietnam fiasco becasue all who understood SE Asia were branded Communists and discredited. I hate to beat the old drum, but those who do not learn from history…
February 25th, 2006 at 9:50 am[...] MYTH #2 – The Russians Hid the WMD in Syria: Some on the right have taken the myth one step further. Pundits such as Fox News military analyst Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney are claiming Russian Special Forces moved the WMD to Syria. Former deputy undersecretary of defense John Shaw came up with this explanation nearly a year ago. He told the conservative NewsMax in March 2005, “I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war.†NewsMax described the operation as “the most successful intelligence operation of the 21st century.†Like Sada, Shaw has absolutely no evidence to support his theory except for “unnamed sources” in Iraq. [...]
February 27th, 2006 at 6:12 pmCan any1 help…looking for SPETSNAZ pics…
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmSorry, but all of you are completely wrong (the ones that disagree w/ the General.) The army found a ton of Saddam’s own meeting notes, recordings, and other data sheets and written accounts in the Iraqi records Saddam kept. They have tons of proof, and came out about a month ago (April 06) discussing it publicly for the first time. Whether or not you agree with the war in the first place should not blind anyone to the facts that there are lots and lots of loose nukes now in the hands of Syria and probably lots of other people that hate the US.
May 14th, 2006 at 7:12 pm[...] Right-wing congressional rabble-rouser Dana Rohrabacher is whinning that he isn’t being allowed to waste tax payers money investigating “Islamic ties” to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. This has been a favorite conspiracy theory of right-wing neocons, well aside from their theories that Syria is hidding Saddam’s WMDs (perhaps with Russian help) and the old Saddam-bin Laden connection fairytale. Just as there are those who blame the Jews for every perceived wrong, so the neocon fanatics wish to blame the Muslims everytime something goes wrong. The would seem to led credence to those who claim that Muslims are the 21st century Jews (maybe we’ll even see the “discovery” of The Protocols of the Elders of Mecca). [...]
December 24th, 2006 at 2:40 pm