Comments on: Bush’s Rhetoric on Family Incomes: Up = Down http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:12:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: legos http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-458475 legos Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:00:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-458475 The top 1% alone have more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, doctors, lawyers, bumpers, drug dealers, were never gonna make what the top 1% does, the guilded age of anglo-ecomonics 101 will contuine for the time being. Lets not concentrate on, What Ceos make a day, you liberals need concrate on the local level helping the bottom 99% get basic needs met, like food, clothing and shelter. We cant always depends on the goverment, there curropt and in pocket of greedy lobbies from Washington to Ottawa or London, gotta do it on the local level. Safety net for the people is always done best at the local level, where tax dolalrs are easier to track and trace. The top 1% alone have more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, doctors, lawyers, bumpers, drug dealers, were never gonna make what the top 1% does, the guilded age of anglo-ecomonics 101 will contuine for the time being. Lets not concentrate on, What Ceos make a day, you liberals need concrate on the local level helping the bottom 99% get basic needs met, like food, clothing and shelter. We cant always depends on the goverment, there curropt and in pocket of greedy lobbies from Washington to Ottawa or London, gotta do it on the local level. Safety net for the people is always done best at the local level, where tax dolalrs are easier to track and trace.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-457689 Seth Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:08:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-457689 Hunter Morrow - #152 It's just RightPunch's and my way of sharing a condescending attitude towards each other. I wish it hadn't come to that, but oh well. Hunter Morrow – #152

It’s just RightPunch’s and my way of sharing a condescending attitude towards each other. I wish it hadn’t come to that, but oh well.

]]> By: Progressaurus Rex http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-457546 Progressaurus Rex Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:29:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-457546 APRIL FIRST IS IMPEACH THE FOOL DAY ... get out and get heard, plan a rally or a march, put signs in your yard and on your car... IMPEACH THE FOOL ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY! a day of protest and civil disobedience pass it on! APRIL FIRST IS IMPEACH THE FOOL DAY …
get out and get heard, plan a rally or a march, put signs in your yard and on your car…

IMPEACH THE FOOL ON APRIL FOOL’S DAY!

a day of protest and civil disobedience

pass it on!

]]> By: Hunter Morrow http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-457403 Hunter Morrow Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:49:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-457403 Pumpkin, sugarcane, sweetie, what is this crap? I wish I could read the comments without having my mind's ear make you all sound bicurious. Pumpkin, sugarcane, sweetie, what is this crap? I wish I could read the comments without having my mind’s ear make you all sound bicurious.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-457137 unbelievable Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:03:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-457137 Bush is a hand puppet Bush is a hand puppet

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-457000 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:14:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-457000 Did any of the rest of you even look at RightPunch's link to the FDIC report? The fallacies should have jumped right out at you. Did any of the rest of you even look at RightPunch’s link to the FDIC report? The fallacies should have jumped right out at you.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456994 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:12:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456994 RightPunch: Your original foreclosure article did not say "historic highs"; it did not say "historic norms"; it said "historic levels". You've no less read meaning into that than I have. And your FDIC graph ends at 1998. In fact the report was written in 1998. And the title is, "The Rising Long-Term Trend of Single-Family Mortgage Foreclosure Rates". Woah! The FDIC wrote a report about rising foreclosure rates near the end of the Clinton administration? Are you sure this is what you meant to cite? It doesn't even pretend to say anything about Bush! So what did Clinton do to lower the foreclosure rates for the first three years? Then what did he do to raise them for the next three years? Causality, sweetcheeks! Action-->Reaction. 2003 > 1998. After two minutes of perusing your FDIC report, I've found only that you may have a problem conceptualizing the flow of time. Maybe it's your "partisan brain" syndrome, I don't know. But it's sad and needs help. RightPunch: Your original foreclosure article did not say “historic highs”; it did not say “historic norms”; it said “historic levels”. You’ve no less read meaning into that than I have.

And your FDIC graph ends at 1998. In fact the report was written in 1998. And the title is, “The Rising Long-Term Trend of Single-Family Mortgage Foreclosure Rates”. Woah! The FDIC wrote a report about rising foreclosure rates near the end of the Clinton administration? Are you sure this is what you meant to cite? It doesn’t even pretend to say anything about Bush!

So what did Clinton do to lower the foreclosure rates for the first three years? Then what did he do to raise them for the next three years? Causality, sweetcheeks! Action–>Reaction. 2003 > 1998. After two minutes of perusing your FDIC report, I’ve found only that you may have a problem conceptualizing the flow of time. Maybe it’s your “partisan brain” syndrome, I don’t know. But it’s sad and needs help.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456828 Jay Randal Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456828 Thanks RightPunch for putting SETH in his place! He claims to be a highly intelligent grad school student, but going to college does not denote intelligence, because Bush went to Yale and Harvard, and he is a 100% certified dunce! If SETH is not PAID to post on here for Bush, then he should get PAID for doing free service to defend that awfull man! Thanks RightPunch for putting SETH in his place! He claims to be a highly intelligent grad school student, but going to college does not denote intelligence, because Bush went to Yale and Harvard, and he is a 100% certified dunce! If SETH is not PAID to post on here for Bush, then he should get PAID for doing free service to defend that awfull man!

]]> By: Cyra Brown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456773 Cyra Brown Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:53:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456773 Right Punch, you are "Da Bomb" !!!! Right Punch, you are “Da Bomb” !!!!

]]> By: TheRef http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456770 TheRef Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:42:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456770 Curious that that very same report says that net worth and home ownership are both up. Growth is very strong and unemployment is quite low. The bottom 90% saw very little change in either direction. The top 10% had an increase in median income but a decrease in mean income. In other words, the news is not as good as the administration likes to claim or as bad as this site likes to claim. As usual, things are mixed enough that there are stats available to yank out of context in an attempt to prove a narrow view. Curious that that very same report says that net worth and home ownership are both up. Growth is very strong and unemployment is quite low. The bottom 90% saw very little change in either direction. The top 10% had an increase in median income but a decrease in mean income. In other words, the news is not as good as the administration likes to claim or as bad as this site likes to claim. As usual, things are mixed enough that there are stats available to yank out of context in an attempt to prove a narrow view.

]]> By: Howard http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456749 Howard Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:32:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456749 Try <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/article260.html" rel="nofollow">factcheck.org</a> for more on the Bush numbers. The numbers were misleading - adjusting for population growth they were a bit lower at 6% growth. The fed numbers should be converted to after-tax dollars to make a comparison between both figures. Try factcheck.org for more on the Bush numbers. The numbers were misleading – adjusting for population growth they were a bit lower at 6% growth.

The fed numbers should be converted to after-tax dollars to make a comparison between both figures.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456744 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:57:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456744 RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH STOCK MARKET CRASH MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 MARCH 2000 You're pretending everything should be sweet as roses after that, and blaming Bush because it isn't. Even I don't think he's a God. Why do you insist he should be? I'm glad you're so forgiving. I am too. I've been very forgiving today, without even having to claim credit for it every time. Maybe we'll have a good place in whatever afterlife awaits...maple bear claw. RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION RECESSION

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You’re pretending everything should be sweet as roses after that, and blaming Bush because it isn’t. Even I don’t think he’s a God. Why do you insist he should be?

I’m glad you’re so forgiving. I am too. I’ve been very forgiving today, without even having to claim credit for it every time. Maybe we’ll have a good place in whatever afterlife awaits…maple bear claw.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456737 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:40:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456737 <blockquote><strong>Comment by RightPunch — February 24, 2006 @ 12:18 am</strong> I wish that were true sweetie, but partisan brain prevents even ’scientists’ from processing facts. It’s why you avoid the specifics of the Bush jobs picture for instance, and evade those ‘facts’ with misinformation and propaganda figures that have been fed to you. It’s easier to believe propaganda than face facts, so I forgive you for your tendency to accept the propaganda.</blockquote> This one is just sad, pumpernickel loaf. On an immensely partisan website, pretend I'm the only partisan. When I point out fallicies in your interpretations, pretend I'm evading "facts". When faced with opposing data, pretend it's propaganda. That, my little raisin-cranberry-banana loaf, is precisely what I mean by "hand waving". You don't even have to try. You just have to pretend. No wonder you're so cute, oreo, you can pretend away your challenges.

Comment by RightPunch — February 24, 2006 @ 12:18 am

I wish that were true sweetie, but partisan brain prevents even ’scientists’ from processing facts. It’s why you avoid the specifics of the Bush jobs picture for instance, and evade those ‘facts’ with misinformation and propaganda figures that have been fed to you. It’s easier to believe propaganda than face facts, so I forgive you for your tendency to accept the propaganda.

This one is just sad, pumpernickel loaf. On an immensely partisan website, pretend I’m the only partisan. When I point out fallicies in your interpretations, pretend I’m evading “facts”. When faced with opposing data, pretend it’s propaganda. That, my little raisin-cranberry-banana loaf, is precisely what I mean by “hand waving”. You don’t even have to try. You just have to pretend. No wonder you’re so cute, oreo, you can pretend away your challenges.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456731 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:31:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456731 <blockquote><strong>Comment by RightPunch — February 24, 2006 @ 12:13 am</strong> Oh sweetie, your partisan brain is so amusing. When I point out that bush has ‘done very little’ to help the economy, you accuse me of not providing specifics. That’s really hilarious. For instance, a tax cut to the wealthy has never been proven to be an economic stimulus. There is no ‘bigger than normal’ economic boom after such a feat that’s ever been recorded. It’s just mythology sweetie. And you accuse others of being a magician, when you yourself magically explain away economic failure with a ‘please explain specifics’. Aren’t those plain enough pumpkin, or does blindness come with partisan brain?</blockquote> Sugarcane, aren't you the one who posted a foreclosure link to prove your point? Aren't I the one who pointed out that it didn't say what you wanted, cupcake? Aren't you the one, cinnamon chip, who didn't reply? That, my little baklava, would have been hand waving if I hadn't actually read what you posted. Instead, it was your retreat. I'm no economist, but I've seen historical charts show economic growth rates increase following tax cuts. I've seen Bush enact tax cuts, and our economy is now recovering. I've seen people here deny any recovery whatsoever through mere hand-waving, anecdotal evidence, and context-free or outright misrepresented statistics, such as your foreclosure link. I'm not pretending the economy is gorgeous. I'm just wondering why you all are pretending it's worse than the Great Depression.

Comment by RightPunch — February 24, 2006 @ 12:13 am

Oh sweetie, your partisan brain is so amusing. When I point out that bush has ‘done very little’ to help the economy, you accuse me of not providing specifics. That’s really hilarious. For instance, a tax cut to the wealthy has never been proven to be an economic stimulus. There is no ‘bigger than normal’ economic boom after such a feat that’s ever been recorded. It’s just mythology sweetie. And you accuse others of being a magician, when you yourself magically explain away economic failure with a ‘please explain specifics’. Aren’t those plain enough pumpkin, or does blindness come with partisan brain?

Sugarcane, aren’t you the one who posted a foreclosure link to prove your point? Aren’t I the one who pointed out that it didn’t say what you wanted, cupcake? Aren’t you the one, cinnamon chip, who didn’t reply? That, my little baklava, would have been hand waving if I hadn’t actually read what you posted. Instead, it was your retreat.

I’m no economist, but I’ve seen historical charts show economic growth rates increase following tax cuts. I’ve seen Bush enact tax cuts, and our economy is now recovering. I’ve seen people here deny any recovery whatsoever through mere hand-waving, anecdotal evidence, and context-free or outright misrepresented statistics, such as your foreclosure link. I’m not pretending the economy is gorgeous. I’m just wondering why you all are pretending it’s worse than the Great Depression.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456722 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:10:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456722 Correction: Walt and I had a good exchange on the "Cheney hunting accident a cover-up for Gore" thread. Sorry for any confusion. Correction: Walt and I had a good exchange on the “Cheney hunting accident a cover-up for Gore” thread. Sorry for any confusion.

]]> By: Seth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456697 Seth Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:25:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456697 Jay, you can believe whatever the hell you want. You haven't contributed any substance to my dialogues with a few others, so it's really of no consequence. Well, maybe a little consequence. It demonstrates the ease with which you find conclusions without evidence. In cruder language, it's called pulling it out of your ass. You are right that I spent too much time here today. I'm somewhat of a politics addict, and I suspect I'm not alone here. I'm going to try to be more concise from now on, though. To John too: If I'm wrong on something, correct me -- with facts, not rhetoric. If you merely throw insults, it actually works in my favor. Walt, I don't know if my lender sends the money elsewhere or not; doesn't matter much either. That's the business decision they would have made. As long as they don't violate the contract, our deal is intact. I don't live in Arkansas, though, and am in no hurry to visit. Although the camping and fishing sound up my alley. Technically, after eight years it's not a *new* career path anymore. It's just different from what I studied for my undergraduate degree. I'm extending the current career in grad school now. Finally, regarding economic skills, I look forward to your continued participation. We had a good exchange on the family incomes thread. I'm sure that since we're both scientist/engineers, we can agree on facts and recognize opinion. Jay, you can believe whatever the hell you want. You haven’t contributed any substance to my dialogues with a few others, so it’s really of no consequence. Well, maybe a little consequence. It demonstrates the ease with which you find conclusions without evidence. In cruder language, it’s called pulling it out of your ass. You are right that I spent too much time here today. I’m somewhat of a politics addict, and I suspect I’m not alone here. I’m going to try to be more concise from now on, though. To John too: If I’m wrong on something, correct me — with facts, not rhetoric. If you merely throw insults, it actually works in my favor.

Walt, I don’t know if my lender sends the money elsewhere or not; doesn’t matter much either. That’s the business decision they would have made. As long as they don’t violate the contract, our deal is intact. I don’t live in Arkansas, though, and am in no hurry to visit. Although the camping and fishing sound up my alley.

Technically, after eight years it’s not a *new* career path anymore. It’s just different from what I studied for my undergraduate degree. I’m extending the current career in grad school now.

Finally, regarding economic skills, I look forward to your continued participation. We had a good exchange on the family incomes thread. I’m sure that since we’re both scientist/engineers, we can agree on facts and recognize opinion.

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456686 WaltTheMan Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:52:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456686 By the bye,I am changing stations. Jon Stewart is coming on here in the East. By the bye,I am changing stations. Jon Stewart is coming on here in the East.

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456684 WaltTheMan Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:49:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456684 #132 - Jay Randal, Seth has claimed to be on a new career path after failing in Environmental Engineering. He also stated that he is 32 years of age and has a desire for starting a family. I will not dwell on his economic skills, but they elude and evade me. After all, I am only an engineer and scientist. #132 – Jay Randal,
Seth has claimed to be on a new career path after failing in Environmental Engineering. He also stated that he is 32 years of age and has a desire for starting a family. I will not dwell on his economic skills, but they elude and evade me. After all, I am only an engineer and scientist.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456677 Jay Randal Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:31:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456677 John and WaltTheMan > SETH is far more intelligent than I-R-I, but if he is who he claims, then he drank the Rove Kool-Aid! Even Repubs on Fox news are turning against Bush now, because of the port sale to UAE! Only someone who is PAID would defend Dubya on here! SETH has to be around 24 yrs old if still in college and not married?! John and WaltTheMan > SETH is far more intelligent than I-R-I, but if he is who he claims, then he drank the Rove Kool-Aid! Even Repubs on Fox news are turning against Bush now, because of the port sale to UAE! Only someone who is PAID would defend Dubya on here! SETH has to be around 24 yrs old if still in college and not married?!

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/comment-page-3/#comment-456671 WaltTheMan Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:24:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/23/incomes-are-down/#comment-456671 Judd, You have added some really good tags to the 'Your Comment' functions. Could you not offer a 'Refer To Item' tab? That would help us old farts who generally have problems like macular degeneration but still have sharp minds. Judd,
You have added some really good tags to the ‘Your Comment’ functions. Could you not offer a ‘Refer To Item’ tab? That would help us old farts who generally have problems like macular degeneration but still have sharp minds.

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