Kondracke: ‘There are Arabs and There Are Arabs’
Kondracke: ‘There are Arabs and There Are Arabs’
Brit Hume led a roundtable discussion last night about the politics of the UAE port deal. Fox News’ “liberal” commentator Mort Kondracke said President Bush should argue that only some Arabs should be subject to racial bigotry:
I think that the President can make the case that there are Arabs and there are Arabs. And some Arabs have been friendly and allied with us and that we ought to side with them, and that the Democrats will be in the position of being anti-Arab across the board.
Full transcript below:
BRIT HUME: If this goes on as it appears it’s going to, will that stand and make a difference by the fall election?
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: No, I think not, because it’s obvious that on the war on terror, the President has been strong. He’ll have to make an explanation about why he’s sticking with his guns on this. People really don’t think he’s gone soft on al Qaeda on this. So I’m not sure it’s going to have a lot — I mean, it looks like demagoguery on the part of the Democrats and it surely is.
MARA LIASSON: Well, they got a lot of company. When you have Bill Frist and Dennis Hastert — I dont think the Democrats are leading this charge at all.
KRAUTHAMMER: Democrats are not going to shift on this. Republicans will.
KONDRACKE: Yeah. I think that the President can make the case that there are Arabs and there are Arabs. And some Arabs have been friendly and allied with us, and that we ought to side with them. And that the Democrats will be in the position of being anti-Arab across the board.
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Yeah, there are dumbasses and there are DUMB ASSES.
February 23rd, 2006 at 2:56 pmso is he saying that Dubai has good arabs but Iraq had bad arabs?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe term “goober” comes to mind.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 pmPoliticizing racism for their benefit. Another new low. Keep digging. You’ll get to hell soon.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:06 pmDon’t miss this snippet…
Krauthammer: Democrats are not going to flip-flop on this. Republicans will.
But mainly, fully concur with #1. And these guys are supposedly Fox’s All-stars, no?
And, a week after Wingnutville bitched about an Al Gore speech in Saudi Arabia, now the Democrats are being accused of being anti-Arab across the board. I guess the wackos will believe anything.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmDid Mor-tahn say it like “Air-ub” or “Ay-rab”?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmFirts there is the 10,000lb. GIANT BOOGEYMAN Arab, then there is the one we do business with. You have to keep up cause they revolve rather quickly, as one keeps turning into the other.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmI am overjoyed by how “enlightened” the Phaux Pnews hosts are.
Brings a tear to my eye.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:07 pmit’s not the fucking Democrats! it’s both parties… just like Scotty wants to say it’s us objecting to NSA… you spinmeisters make me sick… not a word of truth ever from you…
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:09 pmSee what too much hairspray does to the right. It’s seeping through their skulls and into their pea brains.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmArabs like the Saudis, for example, are friends. Only 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. Besides, we need their oil. Muslim dictators like the Pakistani strongman are friends too and important allies in this moronic war-on-terror.
Arabs who sit on oil and don’t jump every time we call them are the crazy, murderous, evil, terrorist bastards who must be wiped off the face of the planet together with their women and children. That includes their fetuses too because right to life applied only to American fetuses and Terri Schiavo.
Yes, there are Arabs and then there are Arabs.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pm#2, as the Danes noticed, it’s a good job the unfriendly arabs have a bomb in their turban or you wouldn’t be able to spot them :)
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmSo, I am keeping a list of the politicians against the Bush greenlight on the UAE port deal. This is what I have found so far. If there are others, please let me know.
That would be 12 Republicans
That would be 6 Democrats.
Fox News’ “liberal†commentator Mort Kondracke, just as with all Fox “News” commentators don’t know what they are talking about.
The Republicans are much more in line with the “bad Arabs” line of thinking.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmI guess I just don’t understand the left in this country. For months you tell us that we should shut down Gitmo, there are no terrorist threat and that Bush is the real terrorists. When he supports building an economic alliance with a nation from the middle-east, you all become bigots and throw up your arms.
Which better demostrates how the world should view us, Al Gore telling lies of Arabic mistreatment to the Saudis and getting paid for it or Bush extending his hand in friendship and trust in building a partnership with the UAE that will discourage future terroristic activity?
Keep in mind that nothing is going to change at our ports as far as security goes. The only thing that will change is the name on the paychecks to the longshoreman.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmThere are Arabs (like Prince Walid whatshisface who owns 10% of News International, right?), and there are (50 million+) Arabs who watch Al-Jazeera.
Or…
There are Arabs who want democracy, and there are Arabs who don’t. And then there are Arabs who want democracy but vote for guys we don’t like.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmYes, because Bush and his friends making money really does build a lasting friendship with poor Arabs. Get a grip.
A British company shouldn’t have been running our ports either. Has nothing to do with bigotry. It has everything to do with the US taking care of the US. Why do you hate America?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pm#14,
I think you need to dig into the “secret agreement”
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pma little deeper as you are mis-informed.
At the health club I go to, they have a bank of TV monitors showing 4 or 5 different channels. As I warm up on the elliptical machine, I laugh out loud at the Faux Pnews monitor and complain that the channel I want to watch is too far down the line for me to see. My wife worries someone from the other machines will get mad at me. Pshaw.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmFox news, fighting hard every day to destroy The United States.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmGary,
Come on, I know you are here to argue but really. Make sense please. When did you hear anyone here say there are no terrorists or a threat from them. The problem with Gitmo is that is a place that people disappear to with no rights and are tortured by the U.S. government…meaning in my and your name. That is the problem with it. It is a gulag…without the hard labor and cold. Gulag-lite if you will.
There are problems with this port deal. Bush and Rummy not knowing about it. Exceptions that are not usually made are in this case. Not all of it has to do with “they are Arabs”.
And as to you saying nothing will change except the name on the paychecks….I thought everything changed on 9-11…or don’t you believe that anymore?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmSpudge add the governours like Pataki, and marylands
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmHe misses the point, Bush CANNOT make the DISTINCTION to the public. He has spent all his time convincing Americans that basically the whole world (muslim world) is out to get us. And then, of course, that he’ll protect us from those bad, bad people.
Yes, that’s too broad, I know. But Bush likes to see things in black and white and make simple statements, instead of statements with real meaning.
He may talk about the nice Arabs sometimes (Islam is a peace loving religion -SOTU a few years ago?) but he likes to provoke fear. And his audience has bought it.
Honestly, we should have just stuck to Afghanistan. The people aren’t Arabs, except the foreign fighters, and if we had the other 130k troops there we would be able to control areas outside the capital, Kandahar.
Instead Americans are reminded that the Arabs like to blow us up in Iraq. Note, they only focus on the tragic deaths, not the reason that alot of the dying is occuring.
Then we have Iran, also not Arab but I doubt much of public could make the distinction, that we constantly villify – for years. This just builds up the feeling about Americans that basically we shoud have nothing to do with the Middle East.
Of course, I think most Americans equate muslims with Arabs. As in, there are no others.
Of course the country with the largest muslim population with Indonesia:)
Opening up to the Arab/Muslim world would be a good thing. The caveat, though, is you can’t do it while 1. Americans have been prodded to distrust ALL muslims and 2. We have americans dying all the time in Iraq. Oh. 3. Our blanket support for very unpopular authoritarian regimes in the region.
As for the real ‘problem’ IT IS SAUDI ARABIA. They continue to have pact with the devil, essentially, whereby the Wahabi clerics get to do as they wish. The royal family is nasty and squanders oil revenues.
Actually, oil is basically what is wrong about the Middle East. If they lost it tomorrow they’d have to find something new to do. Like focus on the people and creating jobs, instead of trying to get them to shut up with cash.
Oil hugely distorts the producing country’s non-oil sector economy. Given that oil is actually not very labor intensive you get high unemployment rates. This leads to what are bribes to shutup, no real meaningful skills (Saudi Arabia imports most of its labor force – the Saudis themselves are above most forms of work), and thousands of princes living in disgusting luxury.
Yes, it’d be nice for oil to disappear from the Middle East. Then maybe the people would get to feel empowered, the state sponsored endless ‘victimhood’ media barrage would end, and some meaningful economic development would occur.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmClif,
Governor George Pataki (R-NY) & Governor Robert Ehrlich (R-MD) are in the list of Republicans. Anybody else?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmOff topic but I think Think Progress and everyone else here must really love Fox News. You are all so concerned with what they are saying. Is it because they are not in lock-step with the rest the networks? Do you guys watch it all the time or what?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm#14 – Huh?!?!? What have you been smoking?
“For months you tell us that we should shut down Gitmo, there are no terrorist threat and that Bush is the real terrorists.”
Could you explain where you thought you heard TP or the “left” say “there are no terrorist threat”??? Can’t do it, because it wasn’t said. There IS a terrorist threat! Pres. Bush made sure that Iraq was a breeding ground for the terrorists by NOT securing the country and spending all his military assets “defending the oil”. My military friends say they spent more time in the first three months of the war making sure the oil facilities were “secure” than they did the borders of Iraq.
We only call for the closing of Gitmo because of the entrenched torture policies and lack of habeas corpus allowed to go on there. Tell me something: how many convictions have se had from the prisoners at Gitmo? Can you name one?
When the Saudi’s and the UAE gave money to al Quida, did you raise one word in protest, or did you bow and say “Hail Pres. Bush for saving me!” Will you continue to praise Pres. Bush and his pants-on-fire when the UAE fails to stop terrorists from entering our country? (Burning Bush, get it?)
It’s sad that the hypnotized, kool-aid drinking, ultra-right-wing lemmings think they’ve got a lock on the “truth’ because Pres. Bush told them so.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmThis is sort of related to the port deal – i.e. arabs vs arabs.
Middle Eastern economies are awash in dollars that they cannot spend – it really is pretty massive. For instance, there are huge ‘bubbles’ on the Saudi stock exchange and the Dubai property market.
The states/royal families, get to decide how to spend the money. So they invest it abroad. It used to be they just did stocks, etc. Now they realized that they can become world leaders in some things.
In some sense, Dubai is *starting* to become a good model for some economic reform.
Yah, so this state sponsored victim stuff needs to stop and we need to pull our support for repressive regimes.
And the cartoons? The Muslims need to realize that calling for the beheadings of the artists (there was one such demonstration in the UK) need to stop before they make themselves look even worse.
The port deal was just further worsened because Americans see people dying because of some pictures. It really does seem to bizarre to alot of people I know.
I realize it’s traditionally against Islam, although it’s the commentators rather than the direct text of the Koran as I understand it. The commentators being the ones around the Prophet, PBUH (see, respect:))
There really needs to be some cultural education on both sides. We don’t know them and they don’t know us.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmYes. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. We watch Fox to find out what the next idiotic thing you people say will be.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmNJ, and PA, we know how Jeb Will go
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pm#14 “I guess I just don’t understand the left in this country.”
I can tell by reading your next sentence you don’t.
” For months you tell us that we should shut down Gitmo, there are no terrorist threat and that Bush is the real terrorists.”
Yes, no, and maybe. Gitmo needs to be shut down NOT because there is no terrorist threat, but because it’s turnjed into an American gulag, where people are imprisoned without charge, without the ability to defend themselves, often without the ability to contact the outside world. Except for the fact it’s not on American soil, there are disturbing similarities to Soviet and East German-style prisons. What really gets me, is that without a trial, there isn’t even a way to TELL if these guys are guilty or not. How the hell can it be a good thing for us to hold an innocent person indefinitely. How the fuck does make America safer?
Yes there’s a terrorist threat. But come on. In the overall scheme of things, the 9/11 attack was nothing much. For propaganda purposes, it was a success. But in comparison to the attack, Bush has done far more to damage the American way of life in his responses to 9/11 than Bin Laden ever did. And calling Bush a terrorist in response to his invasion of Iraq, a country that posed NO threat to us, that resulted in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, is, in my opinion, completely understandable.
“When he supports building an economic alliance with a nation from the middle-east, you all become bigots and throw up your arms.”
LOL, whee, a conservative calling us bigots. Up is down, left is right, black is white. Look. . . Our ports are one of our most sensitive and vulnerable targets for attack. Less than 5% of all containers are checked. Someone could easily smuggle material in, through the ports, or heck — even stage a spectacualr 9/11 style attack that shut down most of our ports. That would damage not just the US but the world economy.
Are you sure you want the ports to be run by ANY foreign nation, let alone an Arab one? I don’t think that’s bigoted, just common sense.
But then again, we’re talking about the Bush administration. He’s a moron, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was inviting another 9/11 attack to give him an excuse to suspend the Constitution.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pm#22 by James
Right. And we can make the Middle Eastern oil disappear in effect by making gasoline-burning car engines obsolete. Then we don’t have to bend over and take it from ANYONE — not Saudi Arabia, not Iran, not Iraq, not Venezuela, not Nigeria, not frickin’ anyone. We address global warming, energy dependence, and Mid East political problems requiring HUGE American military expenditures with one fell swoop. We need an Apollo-style program to do this ASAP. It is doable, let there be no mistake.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pm#24 – I think it’s because they’ve sold their souls to the ultra-radical right wing, and their idea of “balanced news” is to blame everything on ‘liburals’ and Democrats.
Compare the faux news coverage of the flip-flops of Sen Kerry to the flipity-floppity history of Pres. Bush.
You won’t find much because ‘faux news’ refuses to criticize the holy Republican Empire ‘cuz ol Murdoch will fire anyone who doesn’t toe his partisan line.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 pm#20, dlet, I think you mean Randy, not Gary. Christ alive, I get confused with Ruppert so I change my moniker and now I’m confused with Randy???
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmMcCain and Warner are all for this port deal, but they aretwo of the principal bush shit eaters in the senate.
Bush tells them to eat shit and they ask “where do I sit, when do I start, and how much”.
ukes to the core.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:42 pmKeep in mind that nothing is going to change at our ports as far as security goes. The only thing that will change is the name on the paychecks to the longshoreman.
His other troll inspired ranting aside, did he seriously just advocate sending more of our jobs overseas? Outsourcing our security?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pmHeh.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pm#14
That the left believes there is not a terrorist threat is flat out wrong.
The main disagreement is the way in which Bush deals with terrorist threats, not the threats themselves.
As for Gitmo, it’s a legal blackhole. Even the Red Cross came out against it recently – something that the admin apparently left out when they blasted the UN who ‘never went there’ (because they would have no access to inmates).
If the inmates at Gitmo are terrorists then they should be convicted in a real court.
I think the problem, though, is something that everyone is missing. Bush can’t release them because even if they weren’t terrorists before the probably really hate Americans now. Gitmo is a breeding ground for terrorists and Iraq is an even bigger one.
Oh, and I support the port deal. DPW manages 100 ports (technically terminals at the ports) worldwide. This isn’t some sort of startup.
Letting Saudi Arabia into the WTO is a joke though, which Bush agreed to. They won’t allow any investment into their oil sector, which is essentially their economy. They are not a market economy and are part of a price fixing cartel. That disqualifies WTO membership.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 pm“Oh, and I support the port deal. DPW manages 100 ports (technically terminals at the ports) worldwide. This isn’t some sort of startup.”
So as long as they have been doing this a while, we don’t need to worry about the fact that they have ties with terrorists?
Sorry, but no.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pmWe address global warming, energy dependence, and Mid East political problems requiring HUGE American military expenditures with one fell swoop. We need an Apollo-style program to do this ASAP. It is doable, let there be no mistake.
Comment by CZ-1
It’s doable but not likely considering the profits oilmen will lose if that happens. Maybe if we stopped subsidies for SUV’s or didn’t give presents to the oil companies we could do this. But expect more empty and broken promises in the next few years.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmif this doesn’t work I don’t know what will. Any advice Spudge? Marie?
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmWell, I can’t find anything on Governor Mark Schweiker of PA regarding the port sale. Anybody got a link?
That would make it 13 Republican and 7 Democrats against the sale.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmBritish I AM NOT A TROLL Gary,
You could try “Yrag” :)
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm#37 by RemoveBush
Agreed. UAE royal family visited Osama in Afghanistan. Leopards don’t change their spots. Only allegiances seem change, seemingly at the drop of a hat. And then allegiances change back or they never changed. NO to the port deal with DPW-owned-by-UAE-government-owned-by-UAE-royal-family.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm#34
“His other troll inspired ranting aside, did he seriously just advocate sending more of our jobs overseas? Outsourcing our security?”
It’s not ‘outsourcing’. The company was already UK owned before it got bought out.
It’s physically in the US (the terminals). You can’t replace longshoremen with Indians in a call center. The security is handled by DHS and the Coast Guard – the ‘real’ security meaning the inspections and permiter control by the port authority.
DPW can, at their choosing, get private security. The terminals already do that. They need background checks. They need to live in the US.
This is not a ‘defence’ of the bid on its merits, except for the ‘outsourcing’ argument. It will continue to be run by the same people who ran it before.
‘Outsourcing’ is really a very vague term. It can encompass virtually any sort of labor displacement – like ones caused by technological change, etc.
Oh, and if you’re interested in the call center outsourcing, choose a bank that doesn’t use them. I HATE TALKING TO INDIAN REPS. I cannot understand them and they cannot actually do anything other than give out info.
Finally, we have a very, very low unemployment rate (what 5.1 at present). Europe is nearly double. The middle east is about 5 times as high. At least people can get back into the labor market (the argument that ‘outsourced’ workers exited the labor force which would get them out of the statistics has been disproven, ie, only some do – which is sad and they should be compensated).
The negative is that wages, adjusted for inflation, of the ‘working men/women’ have remained static for decades. This contrasts with the upper middle-rich. The static wage growth is probably due to the decline in the labor movement and people (workers) becoming price takers, not price makers.
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm#32
February 23rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmGary, sorry about that. Please don’t tell me you’ll change your name again ’cause of me. I will be more careful in the future. I wouldn’t want myself to be “misconfused” like that either.
#43 by James
It’s physically in the US (the terminals). You can’t replace longshoremen with Indians in a call center. The security is handled by DHS and the Coast Guard – the ‘real’ security meaning the inspections and permiter control by the port authority.
Yes, but remember that DHS and Coast Guard are VASTLY UNDERFUNDED by Bush for port security. Don’t count on them.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 pmI want some of what he’s smoking.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pmOn thread – Randy, I would prefer to have Americans operating out municipalities. That means our water, our electricity, our roads & our ports.
I can abide by international corporations taking on the management of some facilities but in the case of the ports fiasco, bushco purposely allowed that the management
“It chose not to impose other, routine restrictions. [They] did not require Dubai Ports to keep copies of business records on U.S. soil, where they would be subject to court orders.” This is from this mornings DKos.
Off thread – I just linked to a GREAT article taken from the New Yorker, written by Jane Mayer on a Alberto Mora, recently past general counsel for the United States Navy. I got this through The Cunning Realist & the Cliff Notes version is that here we have a highly placed US Navy REPUBLICAN official who is disgusted that he was purposefully lied to by bushco administration officials reguarding the use of torture by the Unites States.
A lot of links I know, but it seems that many here don’t believe things unless it’s in writing. Read the Cliff Notes version, at least.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pm#37 #42
The ‘Royal Family’ is quite large. Each runs their own little fiefdom.
Dubai’s ruler is Sheikh Maktoum (Maktum in some translations). He is not the ruler of, say, Abu Dhabi. He is also not the ruler of the UAE.
The ruler of Dubai is SHEIKH KHALIFA BIN ZAYED who is a member of the clan that runs Abu Dhabi. He recently took over after his father died, last year. So – the old president died last year.
The CEO of DPW, who is part of the Dubai clan is Jamal Majid Bin Thaniah.
The UAE does have a central government and the president is chosen from the Abu Dhabi family.
Finally, while a UAE company, Dubai gets all the profits from DPW because they own it. The central government doesn’t.
It’d be nice to get a list of the royals that went to Afghanistan. That’d certainly derail COMPLETELY any hopes of running the ports if you can show that the CEO met him. The CEO is a high ranking royal, btw.
Of course the visit to Afghanistan is not a good thing at all. They met Bin Laden, Taliban leaders, and hunted. The Taliban did rule the country and Pakistan gave them aid.
What I find offensive is that the CIA didn’t kill Bin Laden when he was in the UAE when they had the chance, didn’t kill him in Afghanistan because they chose to use missles who don’t hover until the right time instead of people.
Hey, at least everyone now knows that the entire LA port is run by foreigners.
Oh, interesting little tidbit. The longshoremen at Dubai’s port are imported Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. Just like Saudi Arabia uses them to do ‘menial tasks’.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmHey, Jesus was an Arab. So some Arabs are surely good.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm#48 by James
Sure, it’s complicated. On the other hand, Catherine Stevens, wife of US Senator Ted Stevens, is on the terrorist watch list because her name is similar to Cat Stevens (the singer). In other words, when money is concerned, the war on terror is no big deal. When fear mongering the public into voting for the Repubs, the war on terror cannot be too overly cautious. It’s a damn game. The DPW deal is just another thing that hopefully makes this double-standard point to the cowering public.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 pmWhat an ass!
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmWhy do people continue to watch Fox? They are embarrassingly ignorant.
#45
The terminal operators don’t inspect cargo in the US.
The DHS and CG do.
The truth is that you can send your atomic bomb on any ship you please so long as you leave from a port that doesn’t have radiation detectors (which DPW’s ports do – that’s just for PR effects though). You can detonate it before it gets inspected but after it gets offloaded. Or while it’s on. Whatever. And it won’t get inspected.
The ‘problem’ with ports is that there is no one group really responsible for port security. The CG has been trying to do that by going to foreign countries (they inspect whatever they please in Dubai for example).
Port security is sort of a joke anyway. The amount you do is limited by the amount of resources you have and the amount of time you want the cargo to get delayed. Bush doesn’t want to pay and doesn’t want to hinder businesses ‘just in time delivery’. E.G. clothes, shoes, stuff like that isn’t singled out because it’s not a likely container. They actually isolate their search on a subsection of containers. Which is also stupid.
The only thing that DPW security does is make sure stuff doesn’t get stolen, make sure their workers aren’t doing stupid stuff (like driving around drunk) and mostly just drawing a paycheck.
And we should count on the government for port security because it’s the only way you’re going to get universal standards.
No one has really precisely explained what DPW is going to do to hurt America. I realize that the UAE royals knew bin laden. I’m wondering how that affects the US interest if they don’t control the security.
This isn’t some little mild discussion. The talking idiots on the tube talk of them ‘owning the port’ ‘running security’ etc.
I see
1. a well paid professional Dubai exec gets into the US and is really a terrorist.
2. somehow something slips through.
Well folks #2 is a bogus concern. DPW can already do that. They ship stuff to us from dozens of ports around the world.
#1 is legitimate.
It’d be easier, though, for said terrorist to just get a visa and fly in.
i guess #2 explains what is wrong with port security. You have to trust the other end. If you don’t, then you can’t take their shipments. And since we can’t trust DPW you shouldn’t trust the ships that leave their ports bound for the US.
It is after all the departing port, not the US port where the nasty stuff can get loaded.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmAnd yes, fox is garbage. I refuse to watch it. (I don’t watch much TV anyway). CNN is going FOX-light.
Judd/anyone,
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmWhat are their current Nielson ratings compared to their past ones? They’ve been tanking some haven’t they?
#49: No, Jesus was a Jew. There’s a difference.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmJames – your arguements are ceratainly valid, but you don’t seem to even take into account that the UAE is a supporter of terrorists.
Look, if we are going to hold people/countries accountable for terrorists then we need to do it. Otherwise, we pull our troops from Iraq and move forward.
Bush can’t have it both ways. Either we are fighting terrorists and anyone who supports them, or we are not!
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmIt’s not ‘outsourcing’. The company was already UK owned before it got bought out.
And it wasn’t right that they were in charge either. The point is that George is all talk and no action when it comes to security. We can’t even subpoena a company running security on our soil? And as far as I’m concerned, giving a job to non-Americans that can be done by Americans in America is outsourcing.
The security is handled by DHS and the Coast Guard – the ‘real’ security meaning the inspections and permiter control by the port authority.
I’m assuming this is referring to 5% of all cargo coming in here checked. All this dissembling and you’ve missed the point: Bush flip flops on his stance on terror and is giving a deal to a state run company that has more ties to al-Qeada than Iraq did.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pm#52 by James
No one has really precisely explained what DPW is going to do to hurt America. I realize that the UAE royals knew bin laden. I’m wondering how that affects the US interest if they don’t control the security.
As someone who works in product development/manufacturing development, I can tell you that inspection is the worst option for discovering problems. On top of that, the CG is vastly underfunded to perform inspections, so they are charged with only inspecting the ~5% of containers that are the “most suspicious.” Now, if DPW controls the port terminal in the US (and maybe the port terminal of origin), they could have significant influence over the classification of what is suspicious. 1. If the UAE royals want to assist al Qaeda, they could greatly assist in getting a container into the US loaded with nasties. 2. If al Qaeda kidnaps or threatens a member or members of the UAE royals, again the royals could greatly assist in getting a container into the US loaded with nasties. 3. It’s already been pointed out in TP discussions that DPW will be privy to significant amounts of security and other useful logistical/mechanical information about the port terminals they would manage. This could be given to al Qaeda.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmPort security is sort of a joke anyway. The amount you do is limited by the amount of resources you have and the amount of time you want the cargo to get delayed.
So we should let Dubai handle it?
And we should count on the government for port security because it’s the only way you’re going to get universal standards.
So we should let Dubai handle it?
No one has really precisely explained what DPW is going to do to hurt America.
Well, considering it was a back room deal that no one (even the people who signed it) knew about, it sounds pretty fishy. And considering that they didn’t go through the usually security process to get this deal, I think we have a right to be sceptical. And not being able to subpeona them for information about our own ports actually does sound like it will hurt America. There is no way you can justify this deal.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmFirst line of defense–Our ports, our borders and our air space. I feel less secure with the department of Homeland Security in charge of our safety than before it was established. George Bush as the War president and terrorist fighter is the biggest sham going today. His criminal negligence prior to and on 9/11 disqualifies him right off the get go. Ignoring the directives of the 9/11 commission who gave him an “F” for his efforts in establishing security at our ports and borders is another concern. Just ask the citizens of Arizona who have had to take matters into their own hands to curb border crossing. The terrible response to Katrina on the part of the federal government is another failure. His foreign policy if you can call it that has increased terrorism around the world. If his political capital is built upon his work as a bulwark against terrorism, then the American people are either ignorant or indifferent to what is happening to this country. He didn’t know that Dubai was to control the ports. This is another egregious breach of security. Enough is enough!!!
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmDo you wonder if Fox doesn’t delibrately put on morons to represent the left on some issues so the left purposefuly looks bad? I do.
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmI just can’t take it anymore! Throw open your windows and shout to the world “We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore.”
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmWe need to get impeachment proceedings started ASAP! He’s destroyed our military, Iraq, our economy, New Orleans (etc. etc.) and now he’s sold OUR PORTS to an Arab nation. All he and his cronies care about is oil! They’re lining their pockets with blood money. He’s has no shame and needs to be held accountable now.
“I’ve had alls I can stands! I can’t stands no more”
Spudge the gov. of pa is Ed Rendell (sp?)
February 23rd, 2006 at 4:46 pm#49 – “Hey, Jesus was an Arab. So some Arabs are surely good.” – “comment” by Ajay
****There are morons… and then there are MORONS…No, Moron Ajay, Jesus WAS NOT an Arab any more than King David was.
But to the point….let’s extend our gratitude to the member of the Muslim community who tipped of the Feds about the Terrorist Three in Toledo. WE NEED MORE Muslims like this. Sadly, this guy has probably had to go into hiding so Islamofascists don’t retaliate.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmSorry Clif,
Google gave two names and I picked one.
So, it would be:
Which makes it 12 Republicans and 8 Democrats are against the UAE port sale.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pmAnd the vast majority of american people, who are the ones who really count.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:16 pmmighty aphrodite,
Somethig we can agree on. Stopping terrorists.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 pm#64, it is people like you, people who swallow Bushcrap whole, who are the greatest danger to this country.
In all probability the three are innocent scapegoats to slaughtered to make Bush look effective. This is not the first time such a “major terrorist nest” has been busted on American soil and it will not be the last. While most of these “terrorists†are quietly deported (visas cancelled) after being found innocent of all charges, some un-deportable (US citizens) are released quietly under strict gag orders. Illegal search and seizures have always been done under the pretext of a tip-off so don’t believe all you hear.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pm…………………………………….
What a tool! Wants us to extend our gratitude to a “moron” for tipping the Feds about a “MORON”. (mighty aphrodite’s definitions, not mine.)
“****There are morons… and then there are MORONS…No, Moron Ajay, Jesus WAS NOT an Arab any more than King David was. mighty aphrodite AKA Ritewinger AKA Jeffrey Shawn”
Oh sweetie, I’m not the religious type being an athiest myself, but I seem to recall that Arabs and Jews are both semitic peoples. Saying they aren’t the ’same’ is true on your part, but that’s really just an issue more of religious and cultural divides than anything real. After all, wasn’t abraham and his ancestors from Ur in Iraq, along with all of the other semitic tribes? Saying Jews are arabs is like saying Welsh aren’t Scottish. While technically true, both are of Celtic origin making them very much of the same people.
But I can imagine with all of the anti-arab rhetoric you seem so predisposed to, that you have some jewish blood in you and hate to be identified as a member of the people you so hate? Your little rant about the ‘good arab’ very much reminds me of the same sort of racist rhetoric that african americans suffered under with the previous generation of the partisan american. I would have hoped that you and my fellow americans would be more ‘enlightened’ by now, but alas. The partisan brain isn’t exactly the smartest on the block now is it sweetie?
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmCan we progressives try and stay focused on what’s important related to this Ports scandal? The issue here isn’t about “handing our Ports over to terrorists”, that’s a narrow-minded, xenophopic, Rethug-thinking and simplistic way to look at this. This issue raises a host of serious questions, but the ‘terrorist control of our ports’ angle shouldn’t be at the top of the list because it’s irresponsible, untrue and not what this is really about. What this is about is money, corporatism, secrecy, backdoor dealings, cronyism, mismanagement, executive branch bumbling, incompetency and the big question: What IS being done to fix the gaping holes in our port security? The answer? Nothing. More here.
Let the folks on the Right (as well as a complicit MSM) bash the president on the security issue which, although incorrect and somewhat inappropriate, will resonate with the folks who don’t respond to reason well (i.e. Bush’s base). All the while, we of reason bash Bush on all the other points outlined above and avoid having to get our hands dirty and being labeled as ‘racist’ or or some other unseemly term. Just a thought.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 pmWell, there’s blacks then there’s nigras, ya see.
February 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 pmJed, bashing your opponent on oversimplified security issues is what wins elections.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:00 pmI suppose that’s true RC, and that’s just sad. I guess I can’t get it through my thick skull that the majority of the electorate can be fooled so easily. I mean, is it too complex for people to see that almost every action this crew of scoundrels has taken, from invading Iraq to condoning torture, has made us less safe? Because 5 years of Bush’s foreign policy and war pimping have done more to harm our security than this Ports deal ever well. Sad.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:08 pmSpudge Lou Dobbs had quotes from all governours that have a major port in their particular State and the ONLY ONE WHO THINKS BUSH IS RIGHT…………..you know it already ……… Jeb Bush,, ,, whod a thunk it.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:15 pm#40 I didn’t see a response to your question but the Gov of Pa is Ed Rendell, a blue in a blue state with red senators.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pmWe’re all a little schizo.
Santaurm’s Days are numbered and He knows it.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:47 pmTo follow up on my #57, see the DU post below. For sure DPW/UAE could hurt the US as the port service company if they wanted to, if coerced, or if an employee were al Qaeda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pm
The UAE takeover of the 6 port operations is a dirty deal, so do not pay attention to TV fools like Kondrake PERIOD.
February 23rd, 2006 at 6:53 pmFox News’ “liberal†commentator Mort Kondracke, just as with all Fox “News†commentators don’t know what they are talking about.
It’s not that they don’t know what they are talking about. It’s just that it is so much easier to demean the opposition(heh) party when you create straw-man arguments that fit the preferred storyline.
Who am I kidding… They’re full o’ crap.
February 23rd, 2006 at 7:20 pmKondracke’s good Arab/bad Arab routine can only be put in the context of Boy George deciding which is which. Good Arab = bin Laden family except for bad boy Osama. The bin Laden presence in Dubai is so omnipresent that there is practically a sign every block with their name emblazoned on it. Believe me, they’re not hiding their light under no rock. Also, the bin Ladens are big into the Carlyle Group, Poppy George’s gang, in which the UAE government recently invested more than six billion dollars. Bad Arab = Saddam, staff of Aljazeera, Mohammed.
February 23rd, 2006 at 8:00 pmWell, there are pedophile child-molesters and there are Republican office-holders. . . oh wait, they’re the same
There are ACLU-allied, drug-abusing felons and there are millionaire conservative talk-show hosts. . . oh wait, they’re the same
There are traitorous, CIA-agent revealing gun-toting drunks and there are US vice-presidents. . . oh wait, they’re the same
There a room-temperature IQ morons and there are US presidents. . . oh wait, he’s the same
February 23rd, 2006 at 8:32 pm#81 Exactly what do you have against room-temperature IQ morons and what have they done to be defamed so badly.
February 23rd, 2006 at 8:44 pmSomeone ought to remind kondracke that Republicans are also strongly opposing this deal.
February 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 pmSomeone also ought to remind Krauthammer that REPUBLICANS ARE ALSO OPPOSED TO THIS DEAL, and for good reason.
February 23rd, 2006 at 9:56 pmLeave it to FOX to pretend that only Democrats are making a fuss over this. Most of FOX’s viewers I’m sure are opposed to the UAE deal.
February 23rd, 2006 at 9:59 pmAnother Fox intellectual, O’Lielly, has flip-flopped. He now says, he picked up on it, and believes there are too many “nuts” in Iraq, and we should get out ASAP.
February 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 pmI wonder if we pull out we can leave a few of our own nuts behind? O’liely would be so entertaining to them.
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 pmTo follow up on my #45:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0223-28.htm
February 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 pmFOX News is propaganda > NOT real news, so do NOT watch or listen to anything those talking head creeps spew! FOX is 100% in bed with the Bush Regime, so remember that fact! CNN unfortunately since Ted Turner was thrown out is becoming FOX lite in many ways, so only real news is on the Internet blogs now!
February 24th, 2006 at 7:04 amKeep in mind that nothing is going to change at our ports as far as security goes. The only thing that will change is the name on the paychecks to the longshoreman.
Comment by Randy #14
Hey tRanny,
What happens when the UAE government gets religion or peeved at the U.S. (after your gods Bushiva and L’il Dick ride off into the sunset with their bribes) and decide that they want to let this or that slip through?
…can YOU or any of your treasonous inbred co-conspirators guarantee that won’t happen?
Also, the company DPW is a “government” owned entity…
…are you right wing “conservative Bushite al Crackers NOW in FAVOR of Socialism/Communism?
Because allowing a GOVERNMENT to take over a private enterprise is considered “SOCIALISM”/ “COMMUNISM”…
…hell our own government wouldn’t be permitted to do such a thing…
…are you inbreds Socialist/Commies now?
..because of Bushiva and L’il Dick’s involvement in this TREASON that makes THIS a different situation?
…civil war in Iraq?
…he*l we’ve got traitors right here in America we need to take care of…
…treasonous, right wing, so-called “conservatives”-turned-SOCIALIST/COMMUNISTs, inbred, Bushite, al Crackers…
…what a strange breed you all are…
February 24th, 2006 at 9:25 am“I think that the President can make the case that there are Arabs and there are Arabs. And some Arabs have been friendly and allied with us and that we ought to side with them, and that the Democrats will be in the position of being anti-Arab across the board.”
Karl Rove is scary smart. I told you that you losers were walking into a trap.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:12 amYou gotta love Robin Williams……
Even if he’s nuts! Leave it to Robin
Williams to come up with the perfect
plan. What we need now is for our
UN Ambassador to stand up and
repeat this message.
Robin Williams’ plan…(Hard to
argue with this logic!)
“I see a lot of people yelling for peace
but I have not heard of a plan for
peace. So, here’s one plan.”
1) “The US will apologize to the world for our “interference” in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those “good ole boys”, we will never “interfere” again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave.We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They’re illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available
to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign “students” over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a “D” and it’s back home baby.
6) The US will make a strong effort
to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not “interfere.” They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given
to the army. The people who need
it most get very little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us “Ugly Americans” any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH…learn it…or LEAVE…Now, isn’t that a winner of a plan?
“The Statue of Liberty is no longer
saying “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.” She’s got a baseball bat and she’s yelling, ‘you want a piece of me?’ ”
If you agree with the above forward
February 24th, 2006 at 11:19 amit to friends…If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!!
copy and paste this and send it around especially to the elected officials.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:20 amHitler was scary smart too.
Next.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:21 am#92, that sounds like something a junior high school kid wrote on the back of algebra textbook cover.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:24 amand…….what……do you remember who your president is cuz he sure ain’t mine. i call him resident, you have to be elected to become president. what he said is in laemens terms. he figured if you all elected the uneducated, coke head, missed reading, writing, arithmatics class for a president he has to make it simple for the sheeples to get it. just like the resident, missing the principalities.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:32 amebs, then lets elect the junior high kid.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:35 amHitler was scary smart too.
Next.
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer
Hitler was a dumbass unless you think a two front war with the Soviets on one side and the Allies on the other with him caught in the middle is pretty smart. By the way, Hitler was a Progressive.
February 24th, 2006 at 12:27 pmHelp me to understand you IRI-
If I hadn’t told you dumbasses a week ago that this was a very bad idea and that instead of doing your usual nit-picking circle jerk you should jump on this issue you’d still be in that circle. I see the MSM is going to give the Cheney shotgun blast at least another week of top coverage. I guess maybe I ought to call them too.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 19, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
“I think that the President can make the case that there are Arabs and there are Arabs. And some Arabs have been friendly and allied with us and that we ought to side with them, and that the Democrats will be in the position of being anti-Arab across the board.â€
Karl Rove is scary smart. I told you that you losers were walking into a trap.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 24, 2006 @ 10:12 am
February 24th, 2006 at 1:22 pmNothing makes me feel more like a psychiatrist secretly observing criminally insane patients in therapy than a Fox News round table discussion does!
February 24th, 2006 at 1:53 pmHelp me to understand you IRI-
Comment by For Truth
What’s to understand? I don’t like the deal but I also raised the question back then that this could be Rove working his magic. The deal sucks out loud this is true. The Republicans jumped all over it from the get-go and a few Democrats, this is also true. But what’s happened is the Republicans will get credit for squashing the contract and protecting our national security while the Donks get dealt the racist card. In the meantime George gets to look like he tried to stand up for our UAE “allies”. Rove is a genius.
February 24th, 2006 at 2:29 pmNone of the above, I-R-I. Back room deals will be cut, the Repubs will drop their demands, Bush will get his way. And the public will forget it all in a few weeks, as usual.
February 24th, 2006 at 3:12 pmIf you agree with the above forward
it to friends…If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!!
Comment by bs — February 24, 2006 @ 11:19 am
DELETED
February 24th, 2006 at 5:15 pmNone of the above, I-R-I. Back room deals will be cut, the Repubs will drop their demands, Bush will get his way. And the public will forget it all in a few weeks, as usual.
Comment by CZ-1
The deal is off. Bet you $5.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:18 pmAPRIL FIRST IS IMPEACH THE FOOL DAY …
get out and get heard, plan a rally or a march, put signs in your yard and on your car…
IMPEACH THE FOOL ON APRIL FOOL’S DAY!
a day of protest and civil disobedience
pass it on!
February 24th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI-R-I, Bush & Co. have pulled this kind of shit off soooooo many times that I just have a hard time believing they won’t do it this time. They are just too good at staying the course right into disaster after disaster. Nothing matters to them but their God–money–and the holy grail of the “free-market system.” Even though they distort the hell out of the free market all the time. I know you need the money, but I’ll skip that bet. ;-)
February 24th, 2006 at 10:11 pm#103 by unbelievable, about #92
If you agree with the above forward
it to friends…If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!!
Comment by bs — February 24, 2006 @ 11:19 am
DELETED
Exactly right, unbelievable. That’s a bunch of crap passed off in Robin Williams’ name. See Snopes.com:
Robin Williams’ Peace Plan
Claim: Comedian Robin Williams came up with a plan for how the U.S. should handle foreign affairs.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected via e-mail, 2003]
Origins: We don’t know who is responsible for the piece quoted above, but it definitely wasn’t actor/comedian Robin Williams (of Mork & Mindy television fame). This item’s debut appears to have been a 20 March 2003 posting to the USENET newsgroup alt.motorcycles.harley, and from there it was rapidly disseminated via e-mail and blogs, credited to either “author unknown” or no one at all. The Robin Williams attribution wasn’t tacked on until several weeks later, apparently because along the way the eleventh entry was dropped and a genuine Robin Williams quote appended in its place:
The ‘Robin Williams’ attribution for the final item was interpreted as applying to the list as a whole, so now the entire piece circulates as ‘the Robin Williams plan.’
Last updated: 17 July 2005
The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp
February 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pmHey I-R-I, check out my comment #301 on our old discussion:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/19/chertoff-uae/#comments
February 24th, 2006 at 10:23 pmCZ-1 I was there during Desert Storm and a whole lot of US were PISSED as hell because we had to stand there on Orders while the massacre took place. I have never forgiven Bush 41, he got a hell of a lot of people killed and we could have finished the iraqi military around Basra in a few days.
February 25th, 2006 at 8:36 amWow, first hand affirmation. That must have been really tough to be that close to the horror. It just blew me away when I became educated on that bit of history. Unbelievable, as “unbelievable” might write.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:39 pmHey I-R-I, check out my comment #301 on our old discussion:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 02/ 19/ chertoff-uae/ #comments
Comment by CZ-1
I saw them I just didn’t feel like busting your chops. I particularly liked the the last one where you say hurricane Kat PROVES that Bush has done nothing to secure the US from terrorist attacks. All I can say it’s a damn good thing they didn’t name the storm hurricane Mohammed or Bush really would be in hot water over the damage it caused. Sheesh.
February 25th, 2006 at 3:38 pmExactly right, unbelievable. That’s a bunch of crap passed off in Robin Williams’ name.
Comment by CZ-1 — February 24, 2006 @ 10:19 pm
I’d always thought Robin Williams was a liberal. The rest of the post didn’t sound like anything he’d say (it wasn’t funny :). Thanks for the information. I hadn’t been able to look it up yet. Not surprised that it’s another neo-con fabrication.
February 25th, 2006 at 4:13 pmCZ-1 I was there during Desert Storm and a whole lot of US were PISSED as hell because we had to stand there on Orders while the massacre took place. I have never forgiven Bush 41, he got a hell of a lot of people killed and we could have finished the iraqi military around Basra in a few days.
Comment by Clif — February 25, 2006 @ 8:36 am
When I lived in California I worked with a guy from Iraq. He liked to talk and had lots of stories about life there. His brother had been gassed as a result of that rebellion (they are Kurds), and is disabled as a result. Needless to say he was initially happy about the invasion. But not so much anymore. He went to visit and his current stories are worse than his orginal ones.
I can’t imagine how hard that must have been for you Clif. I used to know a tank driver in the Vietnam War who had to black-out stuff to keep from losing his mind. I don’t know how anyone comes out of a war sane.
February 25th, 2006 at 4:23 pmNone of the above, I-R-I. Back room deals will be cut, the Repubs will drop their demands, Bush will get his way. And the public will forget it all in a few weeks, as usual.
Comment by CZ-1
The deal is off. Bet you $5.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Maaaaybe I should have taken that bet. Seen the latest, I-R-I?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/25/frist-trying-to-bail-bush-out/
February 26th, 2006 at 1:48 am
#111 I saw them I just didn’t feel like busting your chops.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Ah, you’re getting downright decent. I’m tearing up. They grow up so fast… [sniff]
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