CNN Pundit: Mosque Bombing Shows Bush Strategy Is Working In Iraq
CNN Pundit: Mosque Bombing Shows Bush Strategy Is Working In Iraq
This afternoon, Terry Jeffery — the editor of Human Events who is paid by CNN to provide political analysis — was asked about the bombing of a Shiite shrine in Iraq. Jeffery said the bombings — part of a wave of violence that have left 200 people dead in the last 24 hours — is evidence that the Bush strategy is working. Watch It:
WOLF BLITZER: Terry, is Iraq falling apart right now?
TERRY JEFFERY: Well, I certainly hope not, Wolf. But I think actually these attacks on Shia shrines can be attributed to the potential success of the Bush strategy.
Question for Mr. Jeffery: What, exactly, would be evidence that Bush’s strategy in Iraq isn’t working?
UPDATE: Fox News asks “All-Out Civil War in Iraq: Could It Be a Good Thing?”
Transcript continues below:
JEFFREY: Right now the ambassador there is pushing hard as he can to get Shias to bring Sunnis into the government that’s forming. Try and get enough power handed over to the Sunnis so they feel comfortable with the political process. Zarqawi who is the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq has quite literally declared sectarian war against the Shias. He’s trying to keep these Sunnis in the insurgency mode. I think this is his biggest gambit yet to do it. If we can get past this crisis maybe we can form a government that does bring stability to Iraq.
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Near as I can tell, Bush's strategy is "piss off as many people and cause as much unnecessary death as possible". In which case Jeffery is absolutely right, it's working really well.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:11 pmWhy are insane people allowed to comment on TV?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:13 pmThis Jeffrey fellow is the voice of the rightwingnuts that Blitzer parades in front of the camaeras on a segment in the Situation Room.
He is on a lot, and every democrat makes him look like the fool that he is. The guy runs an outfit called HUMAN EVENTS. He would not know a human event if he saw one live.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:16 pmGood God where do they find these Yahoo's . Iraq is a Fail Oil Policy and I hope That The Shia And Sunni Religous Leaders Kick bush's bullshit oil buddies out and retake the Country back! Almost as Many America's has been killed for these Oil Robber Barrons as on 9-11-01 and this yahoo can say that with a straight face. How much money did bush's P.R. group pay him and btw folks all that money is our tax dollars .. for That's Hard work bush .
February 24th, 2006 at 5:17 pmHis basis for his argument is that brownies are essentially bad and can't escape it. Best we can do is let them have a civil war and kill each other before they kill us.
Don't forget that these people are getting paid to say this shit.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWell, this must be the spin direct from Rove since
February 24th, 2006 at 5:18 pmthree or four wing-nuts have said it including
Rove. If that's the best they can do, they must
have nothing.
I'd hate to know what he considers failing...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:18 pmSo, I guess "true success" would be a mushroom cloud over the entire country of Iraq right? I mean, if Iraqis killing each other and destroying each others places of worship is "potential success" then "true success" would be the violence extending to everyone in Iraq, right?
Now I know how blind can the pro-Pres. Bush people can be: "completely"
February 24th, 2006 at 5:18 pmIs there a follow up of the transcript you're not giving us? There's no way he was serious, was he?
Bombing of mosques + secterian violence = success....who'da figured? What odd math they use...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:19 pmWhat a dipsh-t.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:19 pmHe usually spouts nonsense like this. Between listening to his voice and that of Blitzer's my ears hurt.
But he also did say that someone ought to look into the connection between the UAE and Bin Laden in 1999 when there attempt to strike OBL with a missile but fear of killing UAE princes caused the strike to be aborted by the CIA.
I forgot to add, the UAE is suspected of tipping off OBL before the strike.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:20 pmThe audacity isn't even fun anymore. It is just the pathetic flailing about of a decapitated body. Hard to watch, but impossible to not.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:20 pmAPRIL FIRST IS IMPEACH THE FOOL DAY ...
get out and get heard, plan a rally or a march, put signs in your yard and on your car...
IMPEACH THE FOOL ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY!
a day of protest and civil disobedience
pass it on!
February 24th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThe audacity isn’t even fun anymore. It is just the pathetic flailing about of a decapitated body. Hard to watch, but impossible to not.
Comment by Citizen80203 — February 24, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
I agree. And saying - what will they do for an encore isn't even remotely humorous anymore either.
Though really, what can be expected of a man who ran every company he ever started into the ground because he cannot make smart decisions?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:23 pmI think the scales are falling from
all but the lunatic fringe because
of:
* Cheney being a moron "sportsman"
* Bush out to lunch on the ports and sounding
more stupid everytime he says something
* Complete gibberish on Iraq
NSA may help too if we get a look at it, along
February 24th, 2006 at 5:23 pmwith re-named TIA.
Bush's strategy was to plunge Iraq into civil war? Well, then I guess "Mission Accomplished."
February 24th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#2
Why are insane people allowed to comment on TV?
Comment by Godfry Daniel — February 24, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
Because the really insane are incharge of the foriegn policy that produced this fiasco,
February 24th, 2006 at 5:26 pmThe troll from the last thread was touting Bush's 44% approval as some kind of victory. The bar has really been lowered for passing much less victory. Double speak has been officially adopted as the only sanctioned language for the messianic cult of Bush of the Jesus.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:26 pmWhen are Terry Jeffrey and Rita Cosby going to swap vocal chords?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:27 pmBuckley, if 51% is a mandate, 44% would be a victory as long as Diebold does the "final count"
February 24th, 2006 at 5:28 pm"I don't think the President should have taken responsibility.... I don't blame the President. I blame the American people. Y'all knew the man was slow when you voted him in. You can't blame the blind man for wrecking your car when you're the one who gave him the keys."
Wanda Sykes
February 24th, 2006 at 5:29 pmBush Iraq Strategy:
February 24th, 2006 at 5:30 pm- Invade country and kill 100,000's of Iraqis
- Occupy country and create designed chaos
- Direct country to civil war and incite hostilities
- Civil war ensues and Iraqi's kill each other to extinction
- Walk into abandoned country and take over all its oil
- Hand over oil to Saudi's and receive thankful pat on head
#17
February 24th, 2006 at 5:31 pmYeah but the really really insane are those who put them in office in the first place.
Where do these jowly overweight buffons keep coming from line them all up and you've the futures in hog bellies
February 24th, 2006 at 5:33 pmWell,there has been a line of thought (born I believe of desperation) that if the mosque bombing could be shown to be by Al Qaeda,then there would be a chance of unifying the Sunni and Shia against Qaeda and thereby cooperating in forming the government.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:34 pmOf course, that ignores for example the demand by Sadr that the Inteior ministry must be controlled by Shias who have currently peopled that entity with their own militias and have no intention of leaving. There is also the continuing issue of federalism,another Shia/Sunni split, which will help Iran.
These talking heads can try and convince people that the solution to the current crisis will lead inevitably to an overall solution,but there won't be one while we are in country.
Do we even know why Saddam was bad anymore? He tortured but it's ok for us to do that? He had WMD's or actually didn't? We wanted to free Iraqis but now they are in the middle of a civil war and less stable than ever. Iraq is now a recruitment center for terrorists. Is there any reason for us to be there or to justify what we just did to that country? Dubai has more connections with Osama than Iraq did but they are getting control of our ports. How long can they keep shitting on us and assuring us it's frosting?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:35 pmWhere do these jowly overweight buffons keep coming from line them all up and you’ve the futures in hog bellies
Comment by Howdy Neighbor — February 24, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
I said on a prior forum that they should make all these fat pigs fast for 3 days to understand the word hunger just a tiny bit better.
No wonder so many people in Africa are starving, it's these fat elitists who are eating their breakfasts, lunches, and dinners...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:35 pmAll bad news is GOOD NEWS.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:36 pmSince so many analysts, public and private, considered civil war inevitable in Iraq with its imposed and artificial boundaries in the first place, I wondered when the spin would move toward saying "civil war is a necessary stage in the growth toward true democracy."
Of course, that was never stated before and the timeframe and losses are not to be talked about.
#23 But only because the repug lobotomised faux news crew foiled them to do it. You know the "echo chamber crew" led by Karl Rove
February 24th, 2006 at 5:36 pmJust to be clear, he did not indicate that Bush's strategy was working . . just that it could work.
I suppose that since the couldn't didn't fall beneath the ocean, ala the mythic Atlantis, there's always a chance.
Oh, we of little faith. Have heart. Democracy is hard work, remember.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:36 pmDo we even know why Saddam was bad anymore?
Comment by Buckley Roberts — February 24, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
Would be interesting to know how many Iraqis would take him back...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:36 pmLet's get back to basics, shall we? We were supposed to:
1. Bust Iraqi Skulls as payback for 911.
2. Never want for oil again.
Instead, we're discussing civil war as a success/fail factor?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:38 pmOh, we of little faith. Have heart. Democracy is hard work, remember.
Comment by PickyGirl — February 24, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
I think you were picking your nose a little too hard and gave yourself a lobotomy...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:38 pmWell,there has been a line of thought (born I believe of desperation) that if the mosque bombing could be shown to be by Al Qaeda,then there would be a chance of unifying the Sunni and Shia against Qaeda and thereby cooperating in forming the government.
So Civil War is ok? The point of the story was that this thing was predicted and was preventable but once again the administration selectively chose intelligence it wanted to see and is now on a CYA mission. They must spend more money on spin than on the actual problems.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:39 pmWOW!
February 24th, 2006 at 5:40 pmJust to be clear, he did not indicate that Bush’s strategy was working . . just that it could work.
Comment by PickyGirl — February 24, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
And monkeys at typewritters could write a speach that makes W sound intelligent but which has the higher probability of occurring first? Not an attack just an observation.....
February 24th, 2006 at 5:40 pmOff point, please forgive. Just got home, on cnn heard one comentaor say the port deal is a done deal rather we like it or not and it's 22 ports folks. Only telling us about the hot botton 6 ports, I guess. Also heard Bull Shit Bush say he is asking for $72 billion for the diffrent groups in Iran that need our help. What the fu** is going on with this nut bag..While all that is going on Pombo is hard at work to sell off our wild lands, parks and get all species off the endangered lists. His latest fiasco is doing big time dismanteling in Washington and Montana so he can fund schools or rural roads. Short sighted basterds all of them. They will distroy and sell everything off and bury us further in debt. Stupid son's of barbra all of them.....
February 24th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThe untrained eye is unable to spot it, but these, in fact, are the "last throes" that Massah Cheney was talking about. Those other throes were just practice throes.
Remember last year when Bush held hands with Crown Prince Abdullah? Maybe the prince TRADED BODIES with Dubya. You can't prove it didn't happen.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:42 pmBush Cultists...
Bush Cultists appear on CNN...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:43 pmMission Accomplished...
If your strategery is to kill lots of people and blow shit up, then Bush's is working great! ntodd...
February 24th, 2006 at 5:43 pmOh, we of little faith. Have heart. Democracy is hard work, remember.
It's like Bush said, you just have to make the choice for it to succeed. If they could only choose good stuff like jesus then maybe they'd have their lights on and no more bombings. Maybe then their devestated infrastructure would be rebuilt (whatever happened to that money). Democracy was not built on a wing and a prayer but on a jesus and good choices. And white people
February 24th, 2006 at 5:44 pmFox is also promoting this sort of wingnut nonsense with: "Civil War in Iraq; Could it be a good thing?" These people are so contemptible I'm surprised they don't dissolve into a puddle of their own foul ooze every time they open their mouth.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:45 pmSharon Cox
I don't know why everyone is focusing on chump change. It is MEFTA (Mid. East Free Trade Agree.) that will bring big oil billions in tariff savings alone. Combine this with regional telecom and the hundred other investments after passage and we are talking BIG GREEN FABRIC. This is why Bush is going all out on this.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:45 pmthat will bring big oil billions in tariff savings alone. Combine this with regional telecom and the hundred other investments after passage and we are talking BIG GREEN FABRIC.
Great, so we are going to see some of this action?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWorse than Vietnam.
Just imagine US Troops being blown up as they're leaving.
It will make the Last Helicopter picture look like the Iwo Jima memorial.
The civil war will be ended by Iran, who will sweep in and bring peace, give the Sunnis a voice in the (Iranian) government.
Iran will bring (relative) peace and prosperity to Iraq within a year of our departure.
And why not? With the Iraqi oil fields combined with their own, they'll be bigger than the Saudis.
Not to mention controlling th Persian Gulf almost completely.
George Bush will have handed America its biggest humiliation IN ITS HISTORY.
Not to mention enshrining War of Choice, Torture, Secret Rendition, Warrantless Spying and Concentration Camps as part of the American Pageant.
There's something terrible in the realization that I will be in my grave before America redeems its good name in the rest of the world.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:48 pmBasically Most Americans are waiting for the wealth to come from stealing Iraqs oil wealth and possibly Irans too (( as in American Battle plans for Iran here http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/ archives/ 2006/ 02/ battle_plans_fo_1.html
The democrats I think dont speak out against the war because monkey boy Bush might just manage to steal all the worlds oil reserves …therefore most say morgage paying americans , workers, fear for their future …and have hidden ajendas …If Bush pulls this steal off …and America becomes rich again the democatrats will look very foolish …I think and thats why they do not speak out
February 24th, 2006 at 5:48 pmBuckley
Only if you hold Big Oil, telecom, ect stocks. It is happening folks. I would imagine it is annouced early next year, if the DP World contract is approved.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:49 pmFox is also promoting this sort of wingnut nonsense with: “Civil War in Iraq; Could it be a good thing?â€
Comment by purvis ames — February 24, 2006 @ 5:45 pm
Fox was also peddling the latest spin on the DPW deal, along the lines of: "Blocking the ports deal: Would it help Al Qaeda?"
Some people have no shame.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:49 pmThis has got to be the worst yet.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:50 pmRove must have completely lost his mind.
No, I know what it is.
There's just too much spinning needed all at once and Karl can't handle the load.
Looks like self destruction is immanent.
Shorter Version: "Clap Louder"
February 24th, 2006 at 5:51 pmBuckley,it doesn't matter whether "anybody" could have seen this coming,the discussion point for the TV talking heads is what will happen next. The CNN audience,as small is it is,has to hear something. Why not this?
February 24th, 2006 at 5:58 pmI guess by their standards, it is working.
200 people dead? More violence, meaning more war meaning more defense contracts, more reasons to classify things and more power to be a war president.
Thats a good day at Bushco.
February 24th, 2006 at 5:59 pmIt's like the quack doctor, explaining a patient's deteriorating condition by claiming that it's just a sign his medicine is really working well and that it only needs more time.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:01 pmAMERICAN BATTLE PLANS FOR IRAN
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/02/battle_plans_fo_1.html
February 24th, 2006 at 6:02 pmPoliticians, Lawyers, CEO/CFO/CIO's, Religious Extremists, and News Reporters should all be sent to a marooned desert island so they can STFU and let the rest of the world live in peace and quiet.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:09 pmIS THIS MAN PAID TO POSTULATE SUCH MORONIC STATEMENT .
February 24th, 2006 at 6:15 pmWhat Orwellian world we live in ? Is this possible or are we having a nightmare. Is any one at CNN challenging this stupidity. One more reason for not watching CNN . Another nail in Bushie boy's coffin.
This Certainly Bolsters the Argument that this War was never about Iraqi Freedom in the First Place.Or to Free the Oppressed.Or to Bring Democracy into Iraq.
These Guys now openly State on TV this was Bush 'Strategy' to start a Civil War in an Occupied Land..
That makes all Operation IRAQI Freedom and all the other 'reasons' as now nothing but Lies Admitted by them on TV.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:17 pmPolitical Analysis?
February 24th, 2006 at 6:21 pmPolitical ASS.
Mr Ho
They would like a "unified" Iraq, but it really is not necessary. It would just be more trouble to negoiate with three enities than one. I think their attitude is "let them get it out of their blood so we can stabilize our oil supply".
February 24th, 2006 at 6:22 pmOh, we of little faith. Have heart. Democracy is hard work, remember.
Comment by PickyGirl — February 24, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
I think you were picking your nose a little too hard and gave yourself a lobotomy… -- unbelievable
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Ummmmm...if you read the message again (namely the reference to Atlantis), I think you'll find that PickyGirl was being sarcastic. In your defense, however, I find that preceding anything which is meant to be taken tongue-in-cheek with the phrase "sarcasm on" (which PG neglected to do) helps make things a lot clearer...
February 24th, 2006 at 6:27 pmSharon Cox,
I guess everybody missed this. I posted it before. This is from last week.
Washington Post
February 17, 2006
White House Defends Port Sale to Arab Co.
Buried on the second page almost at the bottom you will find this:
They told us the deal was done a week ago. That is why this was classified, so as to get it through without the American public knowing, because they knew there would be backlash from this.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:45 pmCan someone please find a way to send all the neocons back through the looking glass into their own world where they belong? I've tried to figure out what planet or what dimension these benighted and misbegotten people must come from -- and I've finally arrived at the inescapable conclusion that they must have come through the mirrors somehow. That's the only place in which everything is exactly the reverse of what it should be in reality...
Ever since Bush first took office, I feel as though I've been living in one long, interminable, and seriously creepy episode of "The Twilight Zone" or "Tales From The Darkside".
February 24th, 2006 at 6:45 pmDoes anyone else besides me find deeply disturbing the cavalier attitude by the media towards the death and carnage occurring in Iraq due to OUR invasion and occupation?
I mean, Fox News is talking about whether or not an Iraqi civil war would be a GOOD thing and a CNN analyst is suggesting that it is a GOOD sign. Humans are dying because of this. Humans who are at least as, if not more, innocent than those that perished on 9/11. Have we forsaken our humanity? Have we lost all perspective? Is not the definition of evil that of having a total disregard for the sanctity of human life and the propensity to inflict pain and suffering?
WTF is going on?
February 24th, 2006 at 6:46 pmLet Iran enrich uranium if Russian plan fails: think-tank
BRUSSELS (AFP) - The international community should allow Iran's to enrich uranium on its own territory if a Russian offer to do the sensitive work is rejected, a leading think-tank recommended Thursday.
The Crisis Group said the Russian option is the most attractive way to end Iran's nuclear standoff with the West, but that an acceptable alternative could be to allow Tehran to phase in enrichment over several years.
The plan proposed by the Brussels-based institute would unfold in three phases.
In the first, Iran would agree to suspend enrichment for up to three years while inspectors ensured that it only intended to generate electricity. During a second confidence building period lasting around four years, Tehran would only perform laboratory enrichment.
In the final phase, Iran would begin normal industrial production, preferably in a multinational operation.
"This compromise should be compared neither to the fragile and unsustainable status quo, nor to some idealized, universally comfortable end-state," Gareth Evans, president of the Brussels-based organization, said.
The Crisis Group noted that European diplomatic efforts to end the impasse have not stopped Iran's enrichment ambitions, and that the UN Security Council appears unlikely to agree on sanctions strong enough to change Tehran's mind.
"The real alternatives to diplomacy are much worse: either rapid descent to a North Korea situation, with an unsupervised nuclear program leading inexorably to nuclear weapons and all their dangerously unpredictable regional consequences; or an Iraq-like preventive military strike, with even more alarming regional and global consequences," Evans said.
As a signatory of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, the Islamic Republic maintains that it has the right to produce nuclear energy, but the West fears that the intent of uranium enrichment is to make and atom weapons.
Russia, as a veto-wielding member of the UN Security Council with traditionally close ties to Iran, has been trying to mediate in the long-running dispute over its partner's nuclear program.
It has proposed creating a joint venture to enrich uranium for Tehran's energy needs on Russian soil.
Moscow sees this as a way of getting Iran to reinstate a moratorium on enrichment work, after Iran broke seals at three nuclear facilities last month and resumed nuclear activities.
The Crisis Group said its "delayed limited enrichment" plan would require the backing of the European Union, the United States, Russia and China.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=2/25/2006&Cat=2&Num=011
February 24th, 2006 at 6:49 pm[slaps forehead]
Would Blitzer ever consider asking a legitimate followup question? Is that too much to ask of Vulfie?
February 24th, 2006 at 6:49 pmit doesn’t matter whether “anybody†could have seen this coming,the discussion point for the TV talking heads is what will happen next. The CNN audience,as small is it is,has to hear something. Why not this?
It does matter that they had evidence that this was going to happen. It matters that Bush has failed us once again. Why do we need to keep brushing his mistakes under the carpet and talk about what we need to do to bail this bozo out? We don't need to hear about magic christmas miracles that tell us by Bush fucking up again we will get rid of al-Qeada. There are reports that this was going to happen and Bush chose to ignore them. That is part of the story.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:55 pmWolfie is as bad as any fox so-called journalist. He is a suck-up to Bush&Co. But then again, I have a hard time thinking of anyone who is a hard-hitting, honest journalist who does the dirty work, learns the facts and asks the tough questions.
February 24th, 2006 at 6:57 pmWhere are the reporters of years ago, who really did practice journalism?
I know, their papers have been purchased by corporations who don't want to embarrass the White House, or jeopardize the bottom line.
Lou Dobbs just read an email that said You invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 and sell our ports to another that did, .... the white house is losing its teflon and right quick....
February 24th, 2006 at 6:58 pmno trolls? whatzup - getting harder to defend the indefensible? Or have not got your talking points yet from
February 24th, 2006 at 7:02 pmol' Karl huh?
Millions will die as a result of the success of the Bush strategy.
Those that put Him in power and keep Him in power will not understand until it is too late.
Hubris.
No Empire has lasted. The American Empire will fall, and Great will be the fall of it.
Will the same be said when the attacks come to American soil?
February 24th, 2006 at 7:05 pmAren't these desperate insurgants the same "deadenders" that we were told 3 years ago that we didn't have to worry about? Didn't we have purple fingers at the State of the Union address in 2005 that proved we were winning? When Baghdad is flattened and the mullahs from Iran are running the country, will that be seen as a sign that Bush's "Strategy for Victory" is proceeding brilliantly? Why can't we all go to Willy Wonka's factory?
Cnn is so unworried about any fantasy that it has even a shred of integrity left, that they actually put this mouth breather on?
February 24th, 2006 at 7:08 pmI still can't get over this fools comment. Who's doing the death cheer?
February 24th, 2006 at 7:11 pm#72,
Oh, that's just standard wing-nut boiler plate.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:14 pmThe Fox captions were great.
I don't know how you can pitch this as a good thing. The argument seems to be that with a civil war looming they'll all get real and settle their differences. So that's good. Apparently.
Of course, there's been roming death squads, retaliation strikes, etc for a long time now.
A civil war would draw in Iran which would draw in the Sunni countries, which are the majority in terms of population, to defeat what they see as heretics.
The best one though is that 'US commanders are monitoring the situation' to determine what action to take. In the meantime all 'non-essential military travel ' stops. That means like we're going to do nothing except sit in our fortified palaces in Iraq while watching Fox debate how great the civil war raging right outside will be.
Judd,
catch the new polling showing congressional dems are stronger than repubs on national security now? About time, even if it took the port deal to do it. I believe dailykos is running it frontpage. It's like 43 - 41 I believe.
Grab some of the media matters shots of Fox's Is the civil war a good thing captioning. It's a really, really good one. I'm waiting on a transcript, but Fox is getting way out there now.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:15 pmBush didn't have a real strategy for going in, and he certainly didn't have one for pulling out, but it appears as though he has a strategy for staying in the Middle and in the White House - FOREVER.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:16 pmOh,
The US Military isn't just saying they're not going to venture out for zero reasons. It's a pretty good message to the Iraqis that we aren't going to defend them if they start a civil war.
The message will fail because the politicians don't matter. They think they do and are looking for some great political unity front. The religious militias are what matters.
The sick thing is that the chance for real unity ended when the Iraqi Army was disbanded by Bremer. It was integrated, professional, and capable. Instead they build a pathetic version with Interior Ministry death squads.
Of course, we'll intervene to stop a civil war. It'll just make things worse.
Hey, there could be a unifier, we try to stop them from killing each other and Sistani and the Muslim Scholars - SUnni- unify to destroy the nonbelievers. Yah, there's Bush's plan. See, it'd be great for the future of Iraq.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:19 pmUnspinning the SPIN;
An hour later: "The American ambassador to Iraq said Friday that sectarian violence this week had endangered the future of Iraq, and that Iraqi leaders would have to come together and compromise if they wanted to save their homeland."
Catherine Mathis, the New York Times Company's Vice President for Corporate Communications, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Later in the morning, the Times changed the story again to reflect the relative calm that cloaked Baghdad in the day after a rash of bombings: "As Violence Ebbs, U.S. Envoy Warns of Danger to Iraq's Future."
They still, however, offered no accounting for how Iraq went from the "precipice of civil war" to "endangered" based on the same remarks by a U.S. ambassador.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:20 pmYes, Bush is doing a heckuva job in Iraq. A heckuva job!
February 24th, 2006 at 7:20 pmi'll go a step further: the attack on the shia shrine is definitive evidence that we have won the war, and as a result, we have passed germany in the medal count of the winter olympics.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pmProbably the most incompetent bunch of clowns
February 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pmto ever run this country.
The good news, the insurgency is in it's last throes. The bad news is the civil war is in it's first throes.
-GSD
February 24th, 2006 at 7:23 pmcheney mentioned that bode miller is also in his last throes.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:24 pmPotential Success? Potential Disaster more like it!
Terry you suck and so does CNN. Quit towing the line for these fools.
GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ NOW! STOP THE KILLING.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:25 pmWould Blitzer ever consider asking a legitimate followup question? Is that too much to ask of Vulfie?
Comment by EconAtheist — February 24, 2006 @ 6:49 pm
ummm...yes
February 24th, 2006 at 7:25 pmLooks like old Rovers Spin has hit the FAN in an incredibly quick span of time.
Chalk that up as another Rove Backfire right along with his SIGINT political Winner.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:25 pmThe army War college had one but as usual Bush, Cheney and Rummy knew more than the professional military,
the paper is called;
Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Challenges, and Missions for Military Forces in a Post Confilct Scenario
Written in February 2003
and the paper looks at the historical perspective and acurately predicts much of what happened in Iraq,
but just like the hurricane exercise labeled PAM that predicted the problems in New Orleans they ignored both examples prepared by people who's job is to know, and the americans and iraqi civilians paid the price and continue to do so
February 24th, 2006 at 7:26 pmCan someone please find a way to send all the neocons back through the looking glass into their own world where they belong?
Paging Lewis Carroll...
February 24th, 2006 at 7:31 pm#72 I resisted the tempation to feed the troll.
But it bugs me deeply that this can possibly be used as an attack on progressives in this situation.
I think Iraq on the eve of all out civil war is a conspicuously under reported story. I think the MSM is scratching to find a "positive" spin (so we won't hear too much until they do.)
Not much reporting from outside the green zone because it seems to be open season on reporters.
The golden dome of BushCo is bursting too. Should be an interesting week ahead.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:35 pmWell Rita Cosby might have outdone, terry Jeffery with her comment on Hardball calling the democrats bad for going after the" hoodlum vote" her words.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIt doesn't matter what actually happens, Republicans are like those Sheep in Animal Farm, no matter what you say they just bleet louder.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:51 pmRemember the "Arab Spring" that was supposed to come from the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Well, let's see: Hamas is officially in charge of Palestine, Iraq is having a civil war (that is what you call it when one half of the country is fighting the other half), Afghanistan is run by drug cartels (aka militias) and Iran is -not actually breaking any law --but uncowed by the violent rhetoric of a country that just lost two wars and failed to catch the guy that they say blew up two or three of their buildings.
No Spring here. More like a Looooooong hot summer. BUT
GE & lockheed marting will sell plenty of weapons, the US oil princes can gouge Americans as much as they want and half of the country is wetting their pants scared and going fundamentalist on us. Another Republican success!
I don't know why, but this one, instead of enraging me, has filled me with a deep sadness. Is it that I sense that the worst is yet to come ? Gawd, I really hope not. Perhaps to Bushco, it is considered a positive when they start turning on each other, and our soldiers are forgotten for a moment. Horrific that they would put a "smiley" face on this. But so very predictable, nonetheless. And now Bush wants 72 million,in an "emergency supplemental", to promote freedom and democracy in Iran. What color is the sky in his world ?!?
February 24th, 2006 at 7:52 pmWhat can I say? Satan(Bush)and his tutonic followers run the government.
February 24th, 2006 at 7:59 pm#91
I'm feeling the same way.
I can't imagine where the thoughts of the average foot soldier in Iraq are at right now.
The only thing that might be good is civil war is a good excuse to cut our losses and get the hell out of there.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:05 pmTHE BUSH PLAN IS WORKING..... the apocalypse is just around the corner and baby Jesus will come back again to take the Jeezoids to Heaven!
(I hereby lay legal claim to any and all real estate, currency accounts, precious metals, vehicles, furnishings , kitchenware, cash, boats, entertainment systems belonging to any and all of the aforementioned Jeezoids, should they vanish into thin air...someone else can have their CD collections, they have god-awful taste in music).
February 24th, 2006 at 8:09 pmdo the math.
1984 = 2006.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:11 pm1970, Vietnam: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
February 24th, 2006 at 8:19 pm2006, Iraq: "We had to plunge Iraq into civil war in order to save it."
Before Bush ever invaded Iraq he signed an executive order which claimed that anything which had belonged to Saddam was claimed as property of the United States Treasury. In a dictatorship, everything belongs to the dictator. In other words, Bush claimed the oil in Iraq as part of the US Treasury. In 2003. The spin is that it is the property of the Iraqi people, and, just as soon as Iraq is ready (by Bush's standards) we'll be giving those oil fields right back to the Iraqis. Just as soon as they are ready. Any minute now. As soon as those last death throes of the insurgency die down. Pretty soon. Almost any day.
Unless, of course, they never are ready.
When the oil wells run dry, Iraq will belong to the Iraqis again, ready or not.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:37 pmThis whole mess reminds me of a Dr. Demento song, "Mediocre Mamma". This is the chorus: "You're my mediocre mamma, if you're good, then I can't tell, you don't do nothin' special, and you don't do it well." Kinda captures the essence of the whole miserable situation.
February 24th, 2006 at 8:42 pmof course they think it helps bush, it does, a civil war would ensure total war. follow the money, who planned the attack? Pentagon-Controlled Iraqi National Guard Implicated in Samarra Mosque Bombing
February 24th, 2006 at 8:57 pmThe US plan of "Divide & conquer" could easily go the other way and become Iraqis "unite & strike back".
February 24th, 2006 at 9:02 pmWell, here's a hypothetical question for the Bushites. If the "enemy" were to bomb/attack/whatever their holiest of shrines, would it be perceived as a potentional success (for the enemy or the Bushites?)
When will the insanity end and when will Americans get America back?
February 24th, 2006 at 9:02 pmMaj. General Rick Lynch of Multi National Force Iraq pretty much has been giving the same analysis in his weekly briefings from Iraq. Terry is just repeating what the commanders on the ground in Iraq are saying. The insurgency is not winning any popularity contests right now in the Mideast. Especially when they blow up their arab brothers at wedding parties and such. What's happened over the past few months is al Qaeda and the insurgents are having no success so they have increased their attacks on iraqii security forces, citizens, infrastructure and cultural symbols. But it's not widespread or supported by Iraqii citizens. Millions or Iraqiis have voted and have chosed to become part of the process under their own free will. Every week their are reports of citizens fighting back. You won't hear about that here.
Lynch with some perspective on Feb 16:
"But 85 percent of the attacks take place in four of the provinces. And if you look at the rest of the provinces, 12 of the provinces average less than one attack per day, and 10 of those provinces almost no attacks.
Wasat, 0.2.
Dhi Qar, 0.2.
Qadisiyah, 0.2.
An Najaf, 0.1.
So the point is, the attacks are indeed taking place, and we continue to average about 70 attacks per day against coalition forces, Iraqi security forces and Iraqi civilians, but they are isolated attacks -- four provinces where only 40 percent where the population of Iraq live and work."
Lynch continues.
February 24th, 2006 at 9:07 pm"We still believe that the insurgency has two primary objectives, and that's to derail to democratic process and discredit the Iraqi government. So it is predictable that in this transition period -- the results of the election were just certified, the elected representatives of the people of Iraq are working to form a government, and that's going to take days, weeks, potentially months. And in that period of time, that transition period, the insurgents want to attack because they want to discredit the government's existence and they want to derail the democratic process."
#103 Good kool-aid this week eh?
70 attacks per day is ok bacause they're isolated?
And Lynch is expected to say what if he likes his job or has any hopes of moving up the ladder?
Lot's of Maj. Generals gave the same b.s. stories about Viet Nam right up until the fall of Saigon.
February 24th, 2006 at 9:29 pm#103, pure fantasy. Wipedat kool-aid of your chin BOY.
February 24th, 2006 at 9:46 pmJuicy,
I appreciate your post. It is well-written and supported by researchable data.
I did a search on Gen. Lynch and found the "official web-site of the multi-national force - Iraq"
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Daily/Feb/060224.htm
Sadly, much of the news in Iraq never gets out, good or bad. And it is difficult to judge the accuracy of what does make it into the media, as each side slants the news to support its cause.
One bit of data on official website I find disturbing:
About half the detainees have been recommended for release. What we don't know, and likely will never know, is how many of those released detainees were treated inhumanely? How many of those trainees have decided to become our enemies because of their incarceration? How do their families and friends feel?
How would you feel if it happened to you?
While I believe we all hope and pray things get better, events just do not seem to be heading in that direction.
When will we pass the worst of this nightmare and begin to heal?
to quote Dylan, "How many deaths will it take 'till we know, too many people have died?"
February 24th, 2006 at 9:48 pmOK. A quick scan of the comments did not show me one link to show CNN how you feel.
Do you want us to just b*tch amongst ourselves, or actually inundate CNN with emails such as "I'm mad as Hell, and I won't take it, or Wolf, anymore!"
Fine. Talk all you want. But, dammit, email CNN and tell them enough is enough.
We all complain that our elected officials aren't vocal enough.
Get vocal yourselves.
I have already written a polite but quite to the point letter.
Sorry for the tone, but it took me all of 2 minutes to get the email to CNN's ear.
Email, everyday, til they get the point. That's the only way we're going to get ANYWHERE.
We need to voice ourselves or else we're sunk.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
February 24th, 2006 at 9:51 pm#104 and #105, your replies are unwarranted. If you cannot reasonably view all sides of the question you are guilty of being of the same mind that you ridicule.
Seek to understand, and, to heal.
February 24th, 2006 at 9:52 pmThank you, trueblue.
I have added the link to my favorites.
February 24th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#108
I certainly have viewed all sides of this matter.
Consider the source being a Maj. General then consider bias.
Something I didn't point out was a response to this:
Sounds more like civil war than a positive to me
February 24th, 2006 at 10:06 pmScrew off Briseadh fairy. I'll say what I want, in any matter I want ashole!And when did you get to this site yesterday? A little early to be flitting around like you own the place.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:12 pm***********************
Would you be so kind as to drop that shiney can of Zyclon-B into that little ole hole Briseadh F? Why surely Klaus, I'd just love to.
Briseadh na Faire:
February 24th, 2006 at 10:15 pmYou're welcome.
Can you tell me the English equivilent to your Celtic name?
I'm just wondering.... plus it's about 5 hrs. ahead of the 10:17 or so that I'm posting. Either you're a night owl or living somewher else at the moment.
Either way, I'm at MY bedtime!!!!
Sorry. Just curious...
#111, IDIOT,
February 24th, 2006 at 10:18 pmGo to REDSTATE.
Your SH*T won't fly here.
Go sleep it off.....
Surrendering to terror would be a more positive route for you Wisco? Oppression is more acceptable to you than building a democratic political system? And could you be a little less subtle about your contempt for the military? Do you have evidence that shows the the violence is widespread? You think a convincing and compelling argument is to smear Maj Gen Lynch without offering anything that shows him to be a liar?
February 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pmTrolls have QUITE disgusting names these days, don't they???
No imagination.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:22 pmZero Morals... although they preach them all the time....
Surrendering to terror? Could you clairify that please?
Evidence about widespread violence? Are you even serious?
And exactly how was the Maj. General smeared? By pointing out that he is pretty much expected to paint a rosie pic?
How old are you Juicy?
February 24th, 2006 at 10:27 pmAssuming you're talking about me, you're out of touch TB. There's nothing disgusting about my name. It's 4:20 out here, what time is it there? Get it?
February 24th, 2006 at 10:27 pmI've been here for over 1 year.Yow bout you true blue? You like complimenting the the pure propaganda of Juicy like BF then you are the one who belongs over a red state dip shit. I made my comment and I'll make it again, the way I want. Seems Like you belong over at a right-wing site to me . You want me to dog you on every comment you make TB?.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:28 pmEvidence about widespread violence? Are you even serious?
Let's here it. What's your evidence?
February 24th, 2006 at 10:30 pmTrue Blew isn't exactly wholesome.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:32 pmAh....Yer stoned Juicy
Once upon a time folks got stoned and talked about peace.
A little more concerning to your very weak arguement. Do you really think a fundamentalist Islamic government is not all about oppression? That is what we have helped to create there.
February 24th, 2006 at 10:34 pmThe way the Bush apologists on TV are spinning the blowing up of the Shrine in Iraq leads to the conclusion that Bush might have had a Black OP team blow it up?! If it ends up our military did it, then the Shia will get revenge on Bush someday!
February 24th, 2006 at 10:37 pm...Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity....
Yeats, 1921, Second Coming
February 24th, 2006 at 10:39 pm#122 - Jay Randal,
February 24th, 2006 at 10:43 pmAnd the rest of us.
Yes some of us could suffer too Walt if the Shrine was blown up by some covert operation!
I actually worry more about Bush attacking Iran and setting off nuclear WWIII, which could kill thosands in America if a Chinese or Russian nuke hits us in retaliation, or millions if multiple ICBM nukes hit us! I do NOT understand WHY most in Congress are so oblivious to Bush's lunacy? Chavez in Venezuela calls Dubya "DANGER" and that is true!
February 24th, 2006 at 10:52 pmI see TP is taking another night off.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/wheres-washington-post-article-with.html
February 24th, 2006 at 11:04 pmWhat’s happened over the past few months is al Qaeda and the insurgents are having no success so they have increased their attacks on iraqii security forces, citizens, infrastructure and cultural symbols. But it’s not widespread or supported by Iraqii citizens. Millions or Iraqiis have voted and have chosed to become part of the process under their own free will.
How many years are they going to repeat this same line? Look, that line didn't work three years ago and it isn't working today. Where are these battalions of Iraqi Militia? I thought we have a few 100,000 people units there trained by now. And insurgency is in their last throes.
And I see you smoke pot so you are obviously hip for the kids. Sweet dude! Keep fighting that war against liberals stoned from your keyboard. Fucking sweet discourse we had today. Recycle more of Cheney's old talking points and we can have the same discussions every day. Smoke up dude!
February 24th, 2006 at 11:13 pmDon't forget, we're winning because they're still fighting!
February 24th, 2006 at 11:20 pmBush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal
By DONNA DE LA CRUZ
Associated Press Writer
31 minutes ago
WASHINGTON -
The Bush administration said Friday it won't reconsider its approval for a United Arab Emirates company to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports.
The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."
February 24th, 2006 at 11:25 pmBusch thinks Congress is "Cute".
February 24th, 2006 at 11:26 pmHe's always happy to listen to their suggestions.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:26 pmIn the face of pure evil Briseadh en faire and micahel72 have quotes from Dylan and Yeats. That ought to make the he reichwingers tremble and listen-up. A Little clue for you : right-wingers don't respect anything that reminds them of their own humanity. Bwahaahah
February 24th, 2006 at 11:31 pmThat's more like it Buckley!
Thomas Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey who led the bipartisan probe of the Sept. 11 attacks, said the deal was a big mistake because of past connections between the 2001 hijackers and the UAE.
"It shouldn't have happened, it never should have happened," Kean said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
The quicker the Bush administration can get out of the deal, the better, he said. "There's no question that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from there and money was laundered through there," Kean said.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:34 pmAt what point do the brains in these people's heads believe what their eyes are showing them?
There seems to be a complete disconnect between what they see and what they want those images to mean.
I wonder if they even believe themselves anymore, or are they simply too entrenched in their position to see over the foxhole.
February 24th, 2006 at 11:57 pmThe importance of what is happening now (and I'm responding to the original article not any of the posts that follow) is that we have an opportunity to learn how to tell who the Fat Lying Pigs are. . . because the lies have never been as blatant before. . . and because they will lie again, but with greater skill later, once this denial of reality chokes on itself. . . I"m rather hopeing that I can take this a step further and learn do recognize the Fat Lying Pigs even before they open their mouths. . . so this is like. . . you know . . . a spiritual lesson.
February 25th, 2006 at 12:00 amWiscoDuk,
I consider the source, and the bias. But I do not drop to name-calling. It does no good and only serves to demean the person who must resort to such tactics over reasoned debate.
I see Iraq dissolving into civil war, with massive losses of innocent lives on all sides. I see other nations get pulled into the conflict. I see acts of terror spread across the globe as cancer metastacizing to different sites in a body.
Can you add something reasoned to the debate which will help change this Path on which we are headed?
February 25th, 2006 at 12:15 amCan someone explain how warrantless spying on people in this country, outsourcing control of our ports to a corporation from a country that supports the Taliban, has laundered money for Al Queda, has close ties with OBL, has hindered investigations of the financing of 9/11 terrorists (2 of whom were from U.A.E.), will help national security?
(Sorry about the runon sentence).
Was not surprised that former Gov.Kean made the statement he made about this deal. A few months ago, when he & others who'd sat on this commission were interviewed, they stated that it was probably more a question of when, not if the U.S. would be attacked again (probably within the next 5 years, I think they speculated).
If another nation's military occupied our country, took over our industries and destroyed our infrastructure, do you think the meatheads who support Bush would fight back? Or, do you think that those without the means to flee would behave like George Costanza on the episode of Seinfeld, where he pushed children and an old lady out of the way, when a kitchen fire broke out at a children's birthday party?
Actually, Costanza behaved that way in just about any episode of the show.
Ahh!!! All Hail President George....Costanza!
February 25th, 2006 at 12:16 amI can't stand listening to High Pitch Jeffries, especially when he's trying to spin the destruction of a Mosgue that had stood for 1200 years as part of a "Bush strategy".
February 25th, 2006 at 12:22 amTrueblue -
Briseadh na Faire is Celtic for Break of Dawn.
And you are correct, I am living somewhere else at the moment. In my time zone it is a little after 9 p.m. right now.
And thanks for trying to come to my defense (#113). You needn't bother. I will reply as needed.
February 25th, 2006 at 12:27 amI wonder what TP will post over the weekend? This past week has been a roller coaster of huge Bush lies, so unsure if anything worse can happen today and Sunday?
February 25th, 2006 at 12:35 amWhat really disappoints me is that CNN used to be balanced. It used to be an actual news program. Now it's some wierd 24 hour Entertainment Tonight with a huge splash of "let's appease the republicans because they're in power". Come to think of it, they did play up Bill Clinton's blowjob in a huge way. Guess they've been republican apologists for a long tome now.
Hang your head in shame Ted Turner....
February 25th, 2006 at 12:42 ammilky truthines -
Your assertions are incorrect. I am neither a "fairy" nor "pure evil." I am a healer, a Shaman.
I do not own this place, and neither do you.
It does not matter whether I have been here a day or a year and a day. What matters is that I am here to help.
If you have some sense of wisdom, you will look up Shaman before you reply. Karma is a Universal Law. Like gravity, you don't have to believe in it to feel its effect when you fall.
February 25th, 2006 at 12:58 amKindness -
"Guess they’ve been republican apologists for a long time now."
You are beginning to understand. The phrase "liberal media" has been doublespeak.
Peace and Blessings.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:01 am#142 was waiting for that comment BeF.I knew a person like you would have to get the last word and I was right. You crossed my boundaries scolding my reply with your false high mindednes. I on the other hand read your reply and felt no need to correct you or tell you how to conduct yourself . You are a fraud and you are here at this site for you, and you only, to display your immagnined intelligence. You could have commented here all night and I would never have imposed myself or my views on you.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:13 amYou come off holier than thou which surely means you are compensating for some, or many, fatal flaws which you are blind to. Save the preaching for someone else.
And the Iraqi military is moving backward as far as preparedness is concerned;
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/24/iraq.security/index.html
This and the events of the last few days poke a few holes in the assertions of the pentagon that the Iraqi army is moving forward and are almost ready to assume the fight against the insurgency.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:48 amBrisaedh en faire, is that Celtic for Bag O Wind? A shaman on the net? Boy, the kooks really come out at night.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:53 amAnyway, some strategy, having people kill one another for the benefit of a third party. These guys really have no shame at all.
Screw off Briseadh fairy. I’ll say what I want, in any matter I want ashole!And when did you get to this site yesterday? A little early to be flitting around like you own the place.
***********************
Would you be so kind as to drop that shiney can of Zyclon-B into that little ole hole Briseadh F? Why surely Klaus, I’d just love to.
Comment by milky truthiness — February 24, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
I knew a person like you would have to get the last word and I was right. You crossed my boundaries scolding my reply with your false high mindednes. I on the other hand read your reply and felt no need to correct you or tell you how to conduct yourself . You are a fraud and you are here at this site for you, and you only, to display your immagnined intelligence. You could have commented here all night and I would never have imposed myself or my views on you.
You come off holier than thou which surely means you are compensating for some, or many, fatal flaws which you are blind to. Save the preaching for someone else.
Comment by milky truthiness — February 25, 2006 @ 1:13 am
February 25th, 2006 at 1:57 amBnF, Real Shaman don't feel the need to talk down others, have attitudes,attack first,judge and reprimand,let things others say sit in their craw and throw them out off balance,put others in their place etc. sounds like repressed anger,an a inferiority complex masked with a superior attitude. New Age Fraud . Say Hi to Ramtha for me lost person.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:06 amAs for your reply in #147 you attacked me first. I reponded. So your highlighted comment of mine is meanigless. You attack I respond not the other way around doofis. I see you have no understanding of right and wrong also or cause and effect.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:11 amI on the other hand read your reply and felt no need to correct you or tell you how to conduct yourself. I am talking about BEFORE your comment in #108 to spell it out since you are very confused.I read what you had to say and..... felt no need to....
February 25th, 2006 at 2:20 amThe REAL BU$hCo philosophy:
Kill everybody, destroy everything, and
February 25th, 2006 at 2:37 amTAKE ALL THE MONEY.
Mind if I have that put on a bumper sticker nitko?
February 25th, 2006 at 2:41 amYou must leave now, take what you need, you think will last.
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast.
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun,
Crying like a fire in the sun.
Look out the saints are comin' through
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.
The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense.
Take what you have gathered from coincidence.
The empty-handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets.
This sky, too, is folding under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.
All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home.
All your reindeer armies, are all going home.
The lover who just walked out your door
Has taken all his blankets from the floor.
The carpet, too, is moving under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.
Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you.
Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you.
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore.
Strike another match, go start anew
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.
Bob Dillan; It's All Over Now, Baby Blue.
February 25th, 2006 at 6:03 amlooooooooool. The ultimate victory of the the neo-cons: world annihilation.
February 25th, 2006 at 6:22 amGrasping for non-existent straws
February 25th, 2006 at 9:18 am#103. . . your point is that there are relatively few attacks in comparison to the geographic size of the area, which is true.
There's just one, oh, I don't know, "minor" problem: IRAQ NEVER THREATENED OR ATTACKED US.
We were lied to from day one on Iraq. We thumbed our noses at our international allies, who, as it turnes out, were right all along. We took a secular nation under a totalitarian regime and plunged it into a sectarian civil battlefield. We spent over 2000 American lives and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars for NO REASON.
28,000 innocent Iraqi civilians killed since the invasion is the low estimate and you still defend Bush.
I think he's a criminal.
February 25th, 2006 at 9:39 am"If we can get past this crisis maybe we can form a government that does bring stability to Iraq."
IF Iraq past this crisis and the next and the next and the next...This is the method that the bush administration uses to run our country as well. Crisis after crisis after crisis. Some how I don't think this method is working for the benefit of anyone BUT the Bush administration.
February 25th, 2006 at 10:17 amPeople die,and it's a bush success?....WTF!!!!
February 25th, 2006 at 10:23 amIf a democratic administration tried to get away with just ONE of the disasters bush has created what do you think would have happened. They went all out to impeach someone for a BJ and this guy has, told lies to create a war, ignored the middle class and catered to the rich and big business, outsourced our benefit high paying jobs, bungled Katrina, does illegal wiretapping, and now has sold out our security in our ports to the very bunch of people who funded some of the terrorists who attacked the twin towers. When, when, when is this country going to try every single one of the bums out. The republicans for instigating the mess and the democrats for not raising their voices and trying to stop them.
February 25th, 2006 at 10:28 amLeave it to Fox News Channel to ask if people dying could be a good thing. I do not believe that conservatives truly value life. I think they only value the lives of those who are like them.
February 25th, 2006 at 10:39 am[...] The latest ludicrous statement comes from CNN political analyst (yes, liberal network indeed) and Human Events editor, Terry Jeffery. The incredible swath of violence the other day that resulted in the bombing of one of the holiest of Shia shrines and over 200 dead in just 24 hours, is obviously more evidence that Iraq continues to spiral out of control. But how does Bushbot Terry Jeffery spin it? WOLF BLITZER: Terry, is Iraq falling apart right now? TERRY JEFFERY: Well, I certainly hope not, Wolf. But I think actually these attacks on Shia shrines can be attributed to the potential success of the Bush strategy. [...]
February 25th, 2006 at 10:39 amDon’t forget that these people are getting paid to say this shit.
Comment by Buckley Roberts #5
Buckley,
These people, the criminal Bushite junta they shill for and the brain dead inbreds who voted for this criminal, treasonous junta and still support it...
...are all TRAITORS!
...seriously...
...question is...
...what are we Progressive, thinking, patriotic Americans going to do about them?
February 25th, 2006 at 10:50 am28,000 innocent Iraqi civilians killed since the invasion is the low estimate and you still defend Bush.
I think he’s a criminal.
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer #156
Electric,
We all KNOW this bast*rd is a criminal...
...we KNOW that something has to be done about him (them)...
...the question is what (individually and collectively) can we do to quell this FRUSTRATION...
...IRI, Mighty Aphrodite, Gary Rupert, Blue State Red, and so many others in this country are TRAITORS...
...they see this as some sort of GAME they've "won"...
...Bush is destroying, dismantling, sellig out, dividing, and betraying us at every turn...
...and we sit at these computers and pound out our FRUSTRATIONS on these keyboards...
...these inbreds must be defeated, and soon...
...their TREASON isundermining our nation, and I daresay hurtling us closer to our own ideologically driven civil war...
February 25th, 2006 at 10:57 amI just linked to that conservative site, Human Events.
I'm wondering. . . why the hell is CNN asking this guy, who is an editor of a American political journal, about the situation in Iraq?
How the FUCK does this guy get on CNN's Rolodex of people to call concerning an international event?
I suppose you could make the argument that the modern brand of conservatism running the country relies on political reliability first and expertise on any given subject second, and therefore he's as good as anyone to make statements on this subject.
It just illustrates how far the media has fallen from it's pedestal as a dispassionate reporter of the facts to mouthpice for the right. Anyone who tries to tell you that the media is liberal need only point to this as exhibit A. Imagine how much the NeoCons would scream if CNN has someone from Think Progress, for example, on to comment on the situation in Iraq.
It's sickening what's happening to America. Tragic.
February 25th, 2006 at 11:04 amLETS BE HONEST,HERE. 99 PERCENT OF CONSERVATIVES ARE FAT.
February 25th, 2006 at 11:25 amThe destruction of the 1200 year old Askariya shrine has been likened by the Shi'ite Vice President (one of 2 veeps) as the "Shi'ite 9-11" ...
If CNN & Fox think that's a "good thing", on what moral grounds can we criticize Muslims for celebrating the World Trade Center any more??
February 25th, 2006 at 11:45 amIf the Iraqi oil fields caught fire ala Kuwait in '91 then the bushco strategy could be viewed a failure.
February 25th, 2006 at 12:45 pmGotta lay the groundwork for "civil war not being such a bad thing" becouse the chances of that happening are increasing now.
February 25th, 2006 at 1:53 pm#163 - "…IRI, Mighty Aphrodite, Gary Rupert, Blue State Red, and so many others in this country are TRAITORS…" - "Comment" by , Fat Daddy
*****You wouldn't know a traitor if they came up and bit you on your lazy, fat a$$. People with your myopic, fearful, whiny mindset would love to pull the covers back over their heads and wish the whole cultural/religious WAR away. Your SOLUTION to the threat of terrorism is...WHAT??
Perhaps the only truly wonderful (and humbling) aspect of these days is the bravery and courage of those who are on the ground AND understand the gravity and threat of radical Islam. In my neck of the woods we don't befriend or kiss rattle snakes - if they're a threat, we grab a hoe or a shovel and take their heads off, PETA be damned.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:03 pmGotta lay the groundwork for “civil war not being such a bad thing†becouse the chances of that happening are increasing now.
Comment by For Truth — February 25, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
Here or in Iraq?
February 25th, 2006 at 2:03 pm"If CNN & Fox think that’s a “good thingâ€, on what moral grounds can we criticize Muslims for celebrating the World Trade Center any more??
February 25th, 2006 at 2:08 pmComment by Arm PIt — February 25, 2006 @ 11:45 am
*****Dear Moral Relativist - The Islamofacists cheered an ongoing attack - I guess you missed the "ongoing" part.
#107, I am with you true blue
February 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI have written to CNN Feedback so many times, I suspect they put all my emails directly in the trash because they know I am writing to complain of bias and incompetency at the network.
If, however, hundreds and hundreds wrote to them daily about their news coverage, I hope it would have an effect.
#170 - Unbelieved, Are you warming up your pea shooter????
February 25th, 2006 at 2:17 pmMarie - why don't you and your fellow travellers pool your resources and collect enough $$$ to start your own "objective progressive" take on daily news events. Oh...it's BEEN done....and was a dismal failure??? Sorry.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#170 - Unbelieved, Are you warming up your pea shooter????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
It was a rhetorical quetion Magda... not that I expect you to understand what rhetorical is. Just as I don't expect you to understand politics, government, law or life in general.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:29 pm*****Dear Moral Relativist - The Islamofacists cheered an ongoing attack - I guess you missed the “ongoing†part.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 2:08 pm
No one's missing it Magda, we can watch the Bush Regime "on goingly" attack Iraq every evening on the television set...
February 25th, 2006 at 2:32 pmOh…it’s BEEN done….and was a dismal failure??? Sorry.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
If this ia a failure, then why do you show up everyday? (Again, rhetorical...)
February 25th, 2006 at 2:34 pmJust as I don't expect you to understand the terms "argument", "logic", "premise". (FYI - I don't consider this site a "credible" left wing response to MSM - now Air America.....) Remember, unbelieved, as seriously as you take yourself - we don't. This is just our sandbox to come and play in....leave your cats at home.
February 25th, 2006 at 2:56 pmI would't worry too much. It is clear to the observers on the ground and in command central that Fox News is in its last throes.
February 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pmJust as I don’t expect you to understand the terms “argumentâ€, “logicâ€, “premiseâ€. (FYI - I don’t consider this site a “credible†left wing response to MSM - now Air America…..) Remember, unbelieved, as seriously as you take yourself - we don’t. This is just our sandbox to come and play in….leave your cats at home.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
You make a lot of incorrect assumptions Magda, as usual. You didn't even luckout and get one right.
For a so-called woman with supposedly a law career and four brats you sure are in the sandbox a lot. Which is the usual locale for your brand of nasty to be buried.
February 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pmAs I remember, the Bush adminstration has already attempted, to extend the present presidency for another election periode, in vain.
Bush has an unfinished job in Iraq. In case of civil war in Iraq, that will help to convince the U.S. people to give him another term to get that job done, as he want's to do so. "let's give him a chance" will probably the slogan.
But actually - he's had far too many chances already - from the very first beginning.
February 25th, 2006 at 3:20 pmFor a so-called spinster teacher, you sure do get alot wrong. We come to play - you come to...what is it you do???
February 25th, 2006 at 3:21 pmI'm off to anti-idiotarianrottweiler.com - ta-ta...
For a so-called spinster teacher, you sure do get alot wrong. We come to play - you come to…what is it you do???
I’m off to anti-idiotarianrottweiler.com - ta-ta…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 3:21 pm
I can't be a spinster. I'm at least half your age.
Well that was effortless, just show a troll a mirror and it flees..
February 25th, 2006 at 3:33 pmIn my neck of the woods we don’t befriend or kiss rattle snakes
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 25, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Can't stand the competition for the rock to hide under?
February 25th, 2006 at 3:43 pmCan’t stand the competition for the rock to hide under?
Comment by Clif — February 25, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Way too funny! And probably true... :)
February 25th, 2006 at 3:45 pm[...] (Via CNN Pundit) [...]
February 25th, 2006 at 4:10 pmI guess TP decided not to post a new thread today?
Or maybe just too much bad stuff happening to discuss?
Oh well maybe better to have a break on here > lol.
February 25th, 2006 at 5:03 pmHe's right! The Bush/PNAC strategy is working, for sure. Chaos and turmoil in the region ensure a US military presence for decades to come.
The PNAC plan for military global domination has been totally on track. Those permanent bases are NOT being built for nothing. Think about it.
Here's a great PDF to download for Bush/War supporters. It explains the PNAC philosophy very frignteningly but very clearly:
February 25th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
February 25th, 2006 at 7:37 pm#189, Worfeus
February 25th, 2006 at 7:56 pmDo you think we might ever see something like that?
It's not like they don't deserve it.
You bet Marie.
The truth is coming out, and Bush and co are not above the law.
They tried to make themselves above it, but 250 Million Americans are starting to show them otherwise.
February 25th, 2006 at 8:08 pmNuremburg 2.
Coming soon to a theatre near you.
February 25th, 2006 at 8:09 pmWORFEUS or worfeus,
February 25th, 2006 at 8:21 pmIs there anything symbolic about UPPER case vs lower case. Two senders, two modes?
He's neither stupid nor idiotic, nor crazy. It's his job to say these things. They need an opposing point. He goes home and has his doubts like the rest of us, maybe serious doubts. But it's just another job for him, to say whatever side he's paid to represent wants to hear.
ps - But they should at least have gotten someone in shape. Man is that guy fat!
February 26th, 2006 at 1:11 amMosque Bombing Shows Bush Strategy Is Working In Iraq;
The strategy from the US ambassador to Iraq?
Khalilzad’s strongest card is that the Americans have the money and the military boots on the ground. “Behind closed doors, he can say that if there is a civil war, because of our military power we can decide who comes out on top — and leave it open as to who might emerge the victor,†Krepinevich said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2058790,00.html
It is, he added, a warning to all sides that “we can make life really miserable for youâ€.
February 26th, 2006 at 3:22 amThere are reports that this was going to happen and Bush chose to ignore them. That is part of the story.
Comment by Buckley Roberts — February 24, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
For a moment there I thought you had slipped off topic and were talking about 9/11 -- or perhaps the Katrina disaster. Sadly, no! This is just the Bush MO.
It reminds me of a Fred Astaire line from the movie The Notorious Landlady: "If you make enough mistakes, it gets to be known as your style."
February 26th, 2006 at 4:25 amInterestingly (or perhaps curiously), when the CIA had no assets on the ground in Iraq, Bush characterized the intelligence he used to justify his invasion of the country as "darned good intelligence." But after the invasion, when the CIA probably had more assets on the ground than diplomats (assuming there is a difference) an intelligence analysis that reported that "the worst case being developments that could lead to civil war," Bush characterized that analysis as "just guessing."
It turns out the "darned good intelligence" was wrong on all counts and the "just guessing" was spot on. Does anyone else see a pattern here?
February 26th, 2006 at 5:43 amYou wouldn’t know a traitor if they came up and bit you on your lazy, fat a$$.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #169
Puny,
I'll NEVER let you blow me...
...no matter HOW many compliments you shower me with...
...unlike Mr. Hermaphrodite, I'm partial to WHOLE women...
February 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pm[...] We have those nitwits on Faux News claiming that renewed violenced “proves Bush’s strategy is working” and are seriously wondering if “All-Out Civil War in Iraq: Could It Be a Good Thing?” These people are clearly addicted not just to oil, but apparently to mass chaos and death. [...]
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