Comments on: George Will: “This Is A Civil War” http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:57:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Natalia Vodianova http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-4795110 Natalia Vodianova Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:38:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-4795110 <strong>Natalia Vodianova</strong> Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin.. Natalia Vodianova

Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin..

]]> By: nulletfgf http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1445375 nulletfgf Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:41:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-1445375 you are all idiots. None of this is of any importance whatsoever. What is the point of living, if this is its consistency? you are all idiots. None of this is of any importance whatsoever. What is the point of living, if this is its consistency?

]]> By: SEC http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-493701 SEC Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:19:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-493701 I am someone from the right w/ a conservative/libertarian persepective. This is a real disaster. Going into IRAQ was simply unnecessary. They were not a threat to the US though the leadership was that of a brutal and venal dictator. What is done is done and cannot be undone. Where do we go now. There are 3 options. 1) A general pullout is a DISASTER. -Loss of Credibility - Those that cooperated with the US will be viewed as traitors by all sides (Sunni, Shia). - It would be another betrayal of the Kurds. 2) An incremental approach would bleed us dry economically and the American people simply do not have the stomach/patience for this. 3) Make a commitment to fortify this country for years to come with troops, infrastructue, humanitarian aid. This is politically untennable and the Republicans up for re - election in 06 or 08 will not support this as it would put thieir political careers in jeopardy. It would also make us nable to deal w/ N Korea and Iran simultaneously. Also, we would have to float 200 B in more debt (to foreigners) who could then dictate US Foreign Policy by threatening to sell US assets (Bonds, Currency) etc. Every option (including a Pullout) is horrendous. SC I am someone from the right w/ a conservative/libertarian persepective.

This is a real disaster.

Going into IRAQ was simply unnecessary. They were not a threat to the US though the leadership was that of a brutal and venal dictator.

What is done is done and cannot be undone.

Where do we go now.

There are 3 options.

1) A general pullout is a DISASTER.
-Loss of Credibility
- Those that cooperated with the US will be viewed as traitors by all sides (Sunni, Shia).
- It would be another betrayal of the Kurds.

2) An incremental approach would bleed us dry economically and the American people simply do not have the stomach/patience for this.

3) Make a commitment to fortify this country for years to come with troops, infrastructue, humanitarian aid. This is politically untennable and the Republicans up for re – election in 06 or 08 will not support this as it would put thieir political careers in jeopardy. It would also make us nable to deal w/ N Korea and Iran simultaneously.

Also, we would have to float 200 B in more debt (to foreigners) who could then dictate US Foreign Policy by threatening to sell US assets (Bonds, Currency) etc.

Every option (including a Pullout) is horrendous.

SC

]]> By: Mike V. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-465906 Mike V. Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:58:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-465906 Good for Will. Again. Pointing out the failures of this president has been his bread and butter the last couple of years because Bush is not a true conservative AND he's been a huge failure. He's the worst president in the history of this great nation. Good for Will. Again.
Pointing out the failures of this president has been his bread and butter the last couple of years because Bush is not a true conservative AND he’s been a huge failure.
He’s the worst president in the history of this great nation.

]]> By: Think Progress » George Will on Bush’s national security record: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-463497 Think Progress » George Will on Bush’s national security record: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:24:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-463497 [...] “All three components of the ‘axis of evil'’ — Iraq, Iran, North Korea — [are] more dangerous than they were when that phrase was coined in 2002.” We’re seeing a pattern forming here.  1:24 pm | Comment (0) [...] [...] “All three components of the ‘axis of evil’’ — Iraq, Iran, North Korea — [are] more dangerous than they were when that phrase was coined in 2002.” We’re seeing a pattern forming here.  1:24 pm | Comment (0) [...]

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-460969 big papa Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:21:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-460969 April 1st - an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you “groovy” 60’s wannabes from your conservative friends: don’t forget your Evian, poke yourself with your “protest sign”, or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun. Comment by mighty aphrodite #107 <strong>...Where's Jack the Ripper when you need him? ...that's right though, a woman had to have functioning ovaries for Jack to take an interest in her... Puny wouldn't make "the cut"... hahahahahahaha!!!!</strong> April 1st – an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you “groovy” 60’s wannabes from your conservative friends: don’t forget your Evian, poke yourself with your “protest sign”, or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun.

Comment by mighty aphrodite #107

…Where’s Jack the Ripper when you need him?

…that’s right though, a woman had to have functioning ovaries for Jack to take an interest in her…

Puny wouldn’t make “the cut”…

hahahahahahaha!!!!

]]> By: Clif http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-460363 Clif Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:46:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-460363 April 1st - an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you “groovy” 60’s wannabes from your conservative friends: don’t forget your Evian, poke yourself with your “protest sign”, or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun. Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 27, 2006 @ 2:28 pm You leftout shoot your lawyer friends either..... April 1st – an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you “groovy” 60’s wannabes from your conservative friends: don’t forget your Evian, poke yourself with your “protest sign”, or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun.

Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 27, 2006 @ 2:28 pm

You leftout shoot your lawyer friends either…..

]]> By: joann roberts http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-460301 joann roberts Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:27:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-460301 Maybe since I have no URI, this most likely will not send. So why write any message? Maybe since I have no URI, this most likely will not send. So why write any message?

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459922 mighty aphrodite Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:05:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459922 Dear monkey wretch - I am ALWAYS suspicious of anything to do with the Center for Constitutional Rights. When Bill Kuntsler and gang included the Universal Human Rights Declaration along with the US Constitution, I knew it would be a fringe group that main stream America would NEVER take seriously. Dear monkey wretch – I am ALWAYS suspicious of anything to do with the Center for Constitutional Rights. When Bill Kuntsler and gang included the Universal Human Rights Declaration along with the US Constitution, I knew it would be a fringe group that main stream America would NEVER take seriously.

]]> By: Monkey Nut Wrench http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459839 Monkey Nut Wrench Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:15:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459839 <strong>Using terror to fight terror</strong> Two years ago, David Rose was the first journalist to interview the Tipton Three after their release from Guantanamo Bay. Now he applauds Michael Winterbottom's award-winning film of their ordeal - and finds out what has happened to the men since http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,1717953,00.html Using terror to fight terror

Two years ago, David Rose was the first journalist to interview the Tipton Three after their release from Guantanamo Bay. Now he applauds Michael Winterbottom’s award-winning film of their ordeal – and finds out what has happened to the men since

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,1717953,00.html

]]> By: Monkey Nut Wrench http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459827 Monkey Nut Wrench Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459827 With the Bush administration claiming imperial powers to detain, spy on and even torture people, and the Republican Congress stuck largely in enabling mode, the role of judges in checking executive branch excesses becomes all the more crucial. If the courts collapse when confronted with spurious government claims about the needs of national security, <strong>so will basic American liberties.</strong> http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/02/a_green_light_f.html#more With the Bush administration claiming imperial powers to detain, spy on and even torture people, and the Republican Congress stuck largely in enabling mode, the role of judges in checking executive branch excesses becomes all the more crucial. If the courts collapse when confronted with spurious government claims about the needs of national security, so will basic American liberties.

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/02/a_green_light_f.html#more

]]> By: Monkey Nut Wrench http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459782 Monkey Nut Wrench Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:38:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459782 We know George Bush has lied to us, spied on us, broken the law and sent Americans to fight an illegal war. The time for just debate and protest is over. <strong>We need real action to save our country and our Constitution</strong> – Congress must consider the impeachment of George W. Bush. Click here to take action: www.ccr-ny.org/impeachment We know George Bush has lied to us, spied on us, broken the law and sent Americans to fight an illegal war. The time for just debate and protest is over. We need real action to save our country and our Constitution – Congress must consider the impeachment of George W. Bush. Click here to take action: http://www.ccr-ny.org/impeachment

]]> By: winbackcongress http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459743 winbackcongress Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:11:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459743 I always liked George Will he tell the truth even if the right-wing nuts don't I always liked George Will he tell the truth even if the right-wing nuts don’t

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459681 mighty aphrodite Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:28:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459681 #79 - "I will be there to save my country. And if that ain´t enough, If I need to do more to secure the future of our children against those whom seem so focused in selling her out. Well, then I will do as our founding fathers bravely did and raise arms against those who wants to destroy my Nation from within. Then I will die while trying to protect our way of life which never was meant to end this way that these here Bush-people have been turning her towards, Her = My beloved America. I will endure this fight for my country…..Will you? - Comment by LouieD ******April 1st - an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you "groovy" 60's wannabes from your conservative friends: don't forget your Evian, poke yourself with your "protest sign", or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun. #79 – “I will be there to save my country. And if that ain´t enough, If I need to do more to secure the future of our children against those whom seem so focused in selling her out. Well, then I will do as our founding fathers bravely did and raise arms against those who wants to destroy my Nation from within. Then I will die while trying to protect our way of life which never was meant to end this way that these here Bush-people have been turning her towards, Her = My beloved America.

I will endure this fight for my country…..Will you?
- Comment by LouieD
******April 1st – an appropriate day for fools to protest!! A few tips for you “groovy” 60’s wannabes from your conservative friends: don’t forget your Evian, poke yourself with your “protest sign”, or shoot your eye out with your Red Rider BB gun.

]]> By: Antagonist http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459604 Antagonist Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:36:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459604 #79 So you've managed to put all of the nuts into one bag. What amazes me is that you've gone through all this trouble to compile these comments, and you still can't see how utterly unhinged your side is. April Fools Day is perfect! No one takes you guys seriously anyway. #79
So you’ve managed to put all of the nuts into one bag. What amazes me is that you’ve gone through all this trouble to compile these comments, and you still can’t see how utterly unhinged your side is. April Fools Day is perfect! No one takes you guys seriously anyway.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459544 mighty aphrodite Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:50:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459544 #29 - "No war has ever been declared in the name of Atheism… yet the non-religious are repeatedly slandered by the religious zealots" - comment by unbeliever *****Technically, you're right - but the Communist econ system depends of the utilization of atheism. And we know how many religious and non-religious people were killed in the name of the "comrades". But as an anarchist-atheist friend commented, "they were off to a good start." (My friend is a former political science prof in the UC system - God help us!) #29 – “No war has ever been declared in the name of Atheism… yet the non-religious are repeatedly slandered by the religious zealots” – comment by unbeliever
*****Technically, you’re right – but the Communist econ system depends of the utilization of atheism. And we know how many religious and non-religious people were killed in the name of the “comrades”. But as an anarchist-atheist friend commented, “they were off to a good start.” (My friend is a former political science prof in the UC system – God help us!)

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459542 big papa Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:49:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459542 APRIL 1st! Just DO IT! Comment by LouieD #79 <strong>LouieD, April 1st, YES I WILL...</strong> APRIL 1st!

Just DO IT!

Comment by LouieD #79

LouieD,

April 1st,

YES I WILL…

]]> By: Don http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-459501 Don Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:06:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459501 Craig, Some say that the Balkanization of Iraq is a neocon goal, but it's never been stated as such. Israel would probably go for it, that's important. The main problems with it (1) giving the Kurds autonomy in the North would invite lots of trouble with Turkey and (2) giving the Shi'ites autonomy in the south would in effect make them another province of Iran--not good. Craig,

Some say that the Balkanization of Iraq is a neocon goal, but it’s never been stated as such. Israel would probably go for it, that’s important. The main problems with it (1) giving the Kurds autonomy in the North would invite lots of trouble with Turkey and (2) giving the Shi’ites autonomy in the south would in effect make them another province of Iran–not good.

]]> By: Craig http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-459486 Craig Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:55:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/george-will-this-is-a-civil-war/#comment-459486 Idea: Why not consider splitting Iraq into three countries? It was an artifical creation to begin with. Does anyone know the history - was it intentionally to keep the factions opposed to each other so they were easier to keep control of instead of being united against the UK? Was it simply negligence? Was there a better reason? Issues to resolve would include the fact that only the Kurd and Shiite regions have much oil apparently, so how to distribute that among the three nations; and the issue of Turkish opposition to a Kurdish nation. We should also find out, gee, what the people there want. Idea:

Why not consider splitting Iraq into three countries?

It was an artifical creation to begin with. Does anyone know the history – was it intentionally to keep the factions opposed to each other so they were easier to keep control of instead of being united against the UK? Was it simply negligence? Was there a better reason?

Issues to resolve would include the fact that only the Kurd and Shiite regions have much oil apparently, so how to distribute that among the three nations; and the issue of Turkish opposition to a Kurdish nation.

We should also find out, gee, what the people there want.

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