Four Days After Katrina Struck, Bush Learned Of Failed Response From DVD Of News Reports
Four Days After Katrina Struck, Bush Learned Of Failed Response From DVD Of News Reports
In tonight’s interview on ABC, Bush revealed how detached he was from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina:
VARGAS: When you look back on those days immediately following when Katrina struck, what moment do you think was the moment that you realized that the government was failing, especially the people of New Orleans?
BUSH: When I saw TV reporters interviewing people who were screaming for help. It looked — the scenes looked chaotic and desperate. And I realized that our government was — could have done a better job of comforting people.
According to Bush, he didn’t realize there was anything wrong with the administration’s response until almost four days after the hurricane. The first time he saw newscasts of the situation on the ground was on the morning of Sept. 2, when White House “Counselor [Dan] Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.”
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Bartlett can make Bush a DVD of tonight’s ABC interview so he can look at it four days from now and ask Bartlett why he wasn’t prepped for Vargas’ probing questions.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:30 pmThe Green Zone in Baghdad is still heavily fortified, no matter how much the Iraqis are standing up and the coalition forces are standing down. It will remain as such.
ABC could have hired Cindy Sheehan as a temporary reporter. She is capable of asking some harder hitting questions than Elizabeth Jargon.
“Mr. President, why did you have me thrown out of the House during the State of the Union Address?”
Bushitler would have been woefully unprepared for that question. But, these days the news is used for propaganda purposes, not for finding facts and answers.
Josef Goebbels would be envious of the superb propaganda tecniques devised by the Pentagong.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:41 pmlol, yes. And he can put that together with a DVD of his comments to the press on Air Force One about the UAE port deal he didn’t know much about, but would defend with a veto if need be, dammit.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:42 pmHe doesn’t really care about the poor people anywhere. Why would NOLA be any different.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:43 pmDid anybody at ABC think to U.A. this addicted, blowviated, brain addled, emotionally unavailable, cerebrally deprived, intellectually challenged weak sperm? This, ladies and germs, is the reason why this country doesn’t elect the product of a Romney goat and a hemlock stump. Tommorrow’s lesson: How to fit the Prez with a drool bib, when he’s so, so, soooooooo, UNRESPONSIVE. What a dope!
February 28th, 2006 at 8:45 pmCurious George has never been too curious. I am sure what Rove and Cheney tell him is usually good enough.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:48 pmF***ing bubble boy. Clueless, heartless and totally devoid of the slightest hint of remorse. A robot would be more sensitive.
Did I say sensitive? Silly me – sensitive equals weakness and the macho man is anything but weak.
February 28th, 2006 at 8:51 pmAbby: you nailed it on the head. Bush should’ve said, “I didn’t hear about the chaos and desperation for four days. Of course, I didn’t care about the chaos and desperation . . . ever.”
February 28th, 2006 at 8:54 pmFrom Crooks and Liars.com:
February 28th, 2006 at 9:00 pmBUSH: When I saw TV reporters interviewing people who were screaming for help. It looked – the scenes looked chaotic and desperate. And I realized that our government was-could have done a better job of comforting people.
C&L: You might have stopped playing your guitar in San Diego and paid a little more attention!
Eating Cake with McCain August 29:
Playing Guitar in San Diego August 30:
Fly-over on September 1:
Photo-Op at Jackson Square September 15 with shirt buttoned wrong:
This is how Bush will be remembered.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:01 pmWhat dumbya actually said when he saw the video:
“Uncle Darth (Cheney)! Look! All those people have a swimmin’ hole in fronta their houses!”
Darth responds “Hmm, let’s see, how much did they contribute to our (fixed & stolen) elections? Hmm, Nothin!
Damn, well screw ‘em!
Maybe I could use them for target practice….”
February 28th, 2006 at 9:03 pmThat’s nice; “could have done a better job of comforting people”. It’s not like we were “woefully unprepared”, right?
February 28th, 2006 at 9:05 pmImpeach Chimpy NOW !
February 28th, 2006 at 9:08 pmWe can only wonder what weighty concerns must have occupied Bush’s mind such that he drifted from one day to the next, clueless. It’s downright eerie that our president lives in a perpetual fog. God help us.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:12 pmIf he said what is posted regarding the moment when he realized what was happening in NO then either he is biggest lying son of a bitch on the face of the earth or he is the dmbest son of a bitch on the face of the earth. In either way, this bastard deserves to be removed from office at the earliest possible moment.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:13 pmI didn’t listen to the interview but I have no doubt that what you folks are posting is exactly what was said so I guess that Vargas just doesn’t have the balls to have asked him if he was kidding. I was wondering whether her expression at that moment showed anything along the lines of “WHAT?”
billjpa@aol.com
Now, there you bleeding heart libs go again! We got a big ole plate of Madis Gruel for y’all. Instead of whinnin’, get on down here to Didneyland…whooopee, we be goin’ to Didneyland!
February 28th, 2006 at 9:20 pmW is the dumbest son of a Barbara on Earth. Jeb is the smart one, but he ignores the Florida Constitution just as W ignores the US Constitution. Must come with the jeans.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:37 pmAnd yet 34% of the people support this fool. Can it truly be that 34% of American public is as brain damaged as he is? How could anyone listen to this jibbering idiot and still think that he should be in charge of anything?! I am appalled.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:46 pmAnyone who voted to put this individual in the White House should really be proud after reading about this interview for the choice they made. This individual is making all of those voters look like total idiots. It is a question of each of them owning what they have created. This one they cannot blame on Bill and Hillary. They have only themselves to thank for this mess.
February 28th, 2006 at 9:51 pmBill
“…I have no doubt that what you folks are posting is exactly what was said…”
I’m of the thought that you should not necessarily trust what is posted on a thread, always verify.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:08 pmHardly news, but surprising that the GW Lame Duck would confirm it.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:12 pm#10 Thanks for the chronology.
I did’nt see the interview but I’m sure it was loaded with softballs.
Wait…could be a loaded question.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:21 pm
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41734.htm
State Department Report (2004) on UAE:
Problems remained in the Government’s respect for human rights. Citizens do not have the right to change their government. The Government restricted freedom of speech and of the press. The press practiced self-censorship. The Government restricted free assembly and association, and it restricted religious freedom by banning proselytizing of Muslims. The Government restricted the rights of workers, many of whom were not protected by labor laws. There are no labor unions. There were poor working conditions for some laborers, failure to pay wages, and abuse of foreign domestic servants in an economy in which 98 percent of the private sector workforce is foreign. There were no independent human rights organizations. Trafficking in women as prostitutes and very young foreign boys as camel jockeys continue to be serious problems, despite government pledges to end these practices.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:25 pmHe really is the boy in the bubble!
R2K
February 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pmummm Thanx Bartlett ?!?
February 28th, 2006 at 10:33 pmI can only assume this means that Bush did not turn on the radio, watch one single television program, or pick up a newspaper on the last few days of his vacation — which strikes me as a little irresponsible for the leader of one of the world’s biggest superpowers. Judging by the media coverage, the only way that he could have honestly not known about Katrina would have been if he were on a deserted island or in some other way totally cut off from the outside world.
Then again, Bush more and more frequently appears to be totally cut off from the outside world even when he’s not on vacation…
February 28th, 2006 at 10:33 pmState Department Report (2004) on UAE:
Problems remained in the Government’s respect for human rights. Citizens do not have the right to change their government. The Government restricted freedom of speech and of the press.
The press practiced self-censorship. The Government restricted free assembly and association, and it restricted religious freedom by banning proselytizing of Muslims. The Government restricted the rights of workers, many of whom were not protected by labor laws.
Yeh I can see why Bush calls them an Ally.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:37 pmI would not be too surprised if a bi-partisan articles of impeachment suddenly appear from Congress.
The stage is certainly set and all the ingredients are there.
It would not be too hard to impeach Bush and Cheney for gross incompetence in executing their constitutional duties, not to mention ample circumstantial evidence of unprecedented corruption.
As Alec Baldwin said in Glen Gary, Glen Ross, “its either f#$k or walk gentlemen, f##k or walk“.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:50 pmWas there ever any doubt the Bush family and friends are evil? I hope God punishes these people for eternity.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:53 pmQuestion is are there enough republicans that care enough about our country to want to just move beyond the disaster known as Bush, and enough dems with the gnads to help them come to that conclusion.
February 28th, 2006 at 10:59 pmEnough of this criminal. Let’s MARCH ON WASHINGTON AND DEMAND HIS RESIGNATION!
February 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pm#15
I believe it is the former –
February 28th, 2006 at 11:21 pmRemember that he claimed he saw the first plane hit the WTC on 9/11 and he said “There’s one terrible pilot,” at the school on 9/11, when there was NO tv in the room or the hall or the principal’s office.
To quote my progressive 13 year old son regarding his uncle (MY 38 YO brother) who voted for Bush (and still supports Bush): “You’re out of the family” (and I agree with him).
February 28th, 2006 at 11:24 pm#26 wrote: “the only way that he could have honestly not known about Katrina would have been if he were on a deserted island or in some other way totally cut off from the outside world.”
Or on a coke binge…
February 28th, 2006 at 11:28 pmTheresa- Your son should be President. Hell, he can do a billion percent better than the bubble boy who occupies the White House today.
February 28th, 2006 at 11:43 pmIf we caught Osama Bin Laden in the Oval Office having tea and scones with the President they would just tell us he was interrogating him.
February 28th, 2006 at 11:48 pmRumors are everywhere that he is drinking and snorting again. Nothing he does would lessen those rumors — in fact, his actions seem to support them.
February 28th, 2006 at 11:49 pmIts gone beyond, wrong, beyond bad, beyond corrupt, beyond untolerable.
Now its just bizarre.
February 28th, 2006 at 11:49 pm“I wish we had done a better job comforting deep pocket donors, oil executives and those with lots of liquidity in the stock market.”
-George W. Bushole
February 28th, 2006 at 11:54 pmMarie,
I think Chavez (et-al) cut him off from the coke. Pretty good opium coming from Afghanistan into Pakistan for distribution these days from what I’ve read. The opium might kill the pain better than the coke.
(BTW- Haven’t gotten to the Peter Principal yet but my book list is getting shorter- 3 books started now and only a “must read” or so left before I need new material. I’ll let you know if I have trouble finding it.)
March 1st, 2006 at 12:08 amWhat were the special features on the DVD?
“HURRICANE KATRINA FEATURETTE: MAKING HURRICANE KATRINA”
“SPECIAL MUSIC VIDEO BY KANYE WEST”
March 1st, 2006 at 12:18 amOMG! He really is worthless! I mean there is something terribly wrong with this man!
March 1st, 2006 at 12:18 amI thought we were all going to go together and hire a good looking babe to take care of this ass hole. She woulden’t even have to perform, just show up for a private meeting and come out of his office looking like he did in NO. A few misplaced buttons and a good lie would work wonders on this freak.. If they can distroy the constitution, country,Iraq, our people and the world in general what’s one little lie to get him out. I’ll put in a few dollars how about all of you. Better yet let’s hire some good PI”s to investigate his bad habits of drinking and drugs….Blessings.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:19 amBu..sh.. never had to assume responsibiltiy in his entire life. Who expects him to assume any now? He was rewarded for every failure of his life. In his psych there is always a “daddy” there to bail his ass out of his screw-ups. He’s too dumb to realize that “daddy” can’t bail him out this time. I wonder if Daddy (GHW) is smart enough to be crapping in his pants now for the swamp his son is dragging the whole world into. His mom certainly isn’t.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:23 am#44
March 1st, 2006 at 12:27 amMight have better luck with one of Jeff Gannons boys.
It’s Daddies buddies that are/were his boy chimps handelers. He might be crapping a bit now- but he’s still laughing all the way to the bank. (Carlyle Group.)
March 1st, 2006 at 12:33 am“If chaos were to descend upon Iraq or the forces of democracy were to be defeated in that country … this would have implications for the rest of the Middle East region and, indeed, the world,” Negroponte said…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/intelligence_congress;_ylt=At7mDLQjWRNYk3UaZAPlcrKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ–
Historians will note that this was the christian fool who started www3. read the whole article.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:34 amWhat is left out of the interview is, why did Bush not ask anyone around him why they keep talking about how bad it is in New Orleans for the four days from Aug 30 until Sep 2 , or does everyone have a memo from Rove-Cheney to actually keep the chimp in the dark, and only tell him what they are told to say…
March 1st, 2006 at 12:35 am#49
March 1st, 2006 at 12:41 amFor some reason that made me think of the wierd bump in his shirt during one of the debates.
Wisco, that was a huge bump between his shouders and under his coat during the Kerry debate. Can’t remember now what the excuse for it was, think they said the press in his coat made it look that way. I thought it was a battery pack and midget answering his questions in his ear…..LOL…Blessings
March 1st, 2006 at 12:53 amIt looks like the Great British Poodle has caught the Mad Chimp Disease.
“Blair Approval Rating Falls to 28% in Britain”
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11025
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, hey, hey, goodbye.
-GSD
March 1st, 2006 at 1:02 amYea GSD bush thinks he’s flying high at 34%, with Blair at 28% and Cheney at 18%
March 1st, 2006 at 1:08 amTop ten reason’s the Republican’s haven’t impeached Bush yet:
10. They think it’s mean to pick on Alzheimer’s victims
9. …… Go ahead, you can do it…
March 1st, 2006 at 1:15 am9. Rove has not given them permission to yet.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:29 am8. They’re afraid Cheney will put the Senate on a ten minute break and head down the hallway to hunt some quail.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:30 amJoin the People’s Impeachment Lobby taking place today and tomorrow, February 28 – March 1 and demand that the representative from your district support H.Res.635 calling for a Congressional inquiry to investigate the grounds for impeachment.
There are now 27 members of the House of Representatives, including John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee who are supporting a bill, H. Res 635, calling for “a select committee to investigate the Administration’s intent to go to war before Congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.” Tell your representative today that you want him or her to co-sponsor this important measure.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:32 amSee ImpeachBush.org, for more details.
It’s time to get this impeachment going!
7. They don’t want to ruin their chances for a “kooshy K street ‘pointment” in case they lose their seat in the 2006 elections.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:36 am6. They haven’t saved up enough Abramhoff funds to retire to Dubai yet.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:38 amBush is the most clueless president this nation has ever been forced to endure! He is a disgrace and must RESIGN!
March 1st, 2006 at 1:54 am5. Those who have “better” sense of morality rather than a “woefully” un-sense of morality have noted that … Libby hasn’t flipped over for the prosecution [against] Cheney yet.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:55 am#5- They are terrified that the contentsof their NSA file will be leaked to the press.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:00 amMake that #4
March 1st, 2006 at 2:01 am#3, no one has told them to impeach. They can’t do anything on their own.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:27 am#2, they are still deciding on how to split the loot.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:30 amSharon Cox,
You mean this lump?
March 1st, 2006 at 2:46 am#1 Reason, because they have all been wiretapped and are being blackmailed by the Bush Cabal.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:48 amCrap, Cyra Brown covered that.
#1 Reason, because they are afraid of being sent anthrax letters.
Oh wait, that only happens to Democrats:
Anthrax Used To Intimidate Democrats?
March 1st, 2006 at 2:50 amand by the way – fuck mcain – he is a wolf in sheeps…
he runs – forget any dem making it…
aloha
March 1st, 2006 at 3:01 amthe hump is his brain. hadn’t you heard?
March 1st, 2006 at 3:09 amit needs a full overhaul every night so they had it implanted on his back for pratical reasons.
he sleeps on his stomach every night, spread eagle style w/his head between two of those little couch pillows your aunt’s dog used to try and mount and screw all the time. he never needs any pain medication as he chants the neocan mantra. ‘question me and you are a tratior’ ‘question me and you do not support our troops’ ‘question me and you are unamerican’
we must stand against this or we are seen as standing for it. IMPEACH BUSH – JAIL CHANEY
there is a silent shock when bush admits he knew nothing except for on tv.
impeach bush
March 1st, 2006 at 3:41 amjail chaney
Sue,
We have asked you before to stop posting like this. It is very hard to read. Not only that, but in Internet posting edicate, using all caps is considered yelling. Bold is used to highlight a specific idea.
Like this:
“I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS! Bush approval rating is down to 34%”
See, it is easier to read than everything in bold and almost everyting in caps.
Most importantly, we are on the same side, so I would assume you want us to read your posts and since we are on the same side, I am sure you don’t want to be yelling at us all of the time.
Thanks.
March 1st, 2006 at 4:01 amPerhaps Sue hails from a far-away land, with ways different from our own. And the name of this far-away land is… Irant !
March 1st, 2006 at 4:31 amObviously Bush is lying. He lies all the time. And he enjoys the suffering of the less fortunate.
If you are Christian, and are confused why Christians are supporting this obviously evil guy, whose ever move could be described as “What Would Jesus NOT Do”
Then come find your answer here:
March 1st, 2006 at 4:47 amhttp://www.watchmanreport.com
You know what is funny with this whole thing:
Didn’t Bush say at one point that his holidays were working holidays, you know that he stayed informed and worked out of Tex-ass, in much the same manner as if he did it out of the Whitehouse?
I think I remember seeing that at some point. Anyone with a source who can back me up on this one?
March 1st, 2006 at 4:54 amCan this shit possibly get any weirder? My head spins just trying to keep track of all the fucked-up things Chimpy and his cronies have done in the last six years. How the hell can the President of the United States be unaware that a major city is practically destroyed and hundreds of people are dead and dying for four fucking days??? He finds out from a DVD. And people actually voted for this. Hang ‘em all. The let the devil sort ‘em out.
March 1st, 2006 at 5:04 am“I’ve got ample capital and I’m using it to spread freedom and to protect the American people.”
– George W. Bush
what about New Orleans
March 1st, 2006 at 5:21 amAll America knew what was going on in New Orleans from the very beginning. The news coverage was EVERYWHERE. If America knew. Bush didn’t. He is unAmerican.
March 1st, 2006 at 6:22 amThis is a dangerous man . .Its scarey where this country has gone and I’m wondering will it ever go back to being the country that we knew. I think we have cross the Divide of Eite and “Them” . This man needs to be remove along with his Enablers.
March 1st, 2006 at 6:48 amEveryone alive should read this interview with Ledeen:
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Conversation_with_Controversial_Neoconservative_0228.html
March 1st, 2006 at 6:54 amBUSH = EVIL.
March 1st, 2006 at 7:07 amAmerica Knew. Bush Didn’t.
Stop this man and the people who support him.
March 1st, 2006 at 7:24 amThe media is only trying to gin up this whole Katrina thing. Just watch…Katrina and the anti-war drumbeat is going to beat faster and faster as we approach the mid-term elections. That’s all the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the main-stream media have. This port deal has given the Democrats an opportunity to suddenly act tough on national security as well, but I’m sure that will blow up in their faces too. Do you guys have any coherent plan or direction–or is constant Bush bashing all you got?
March 1st, 2006 at 8:31 am#40 Wiscoduck
March 1st, 2006 at 8:51 amThe Peter Principle is a phenomenon cited in “up the Organization” – it is where a person continues to rise in business until he reaches his level of total incompetence and there he remains.
It’s an old book, but the principle has remained etched in my mind as it applies to Bush&Co.
Have some more cake your highness bush,any left over we’ll throw it out of Airforce 1 for flood folks. Cosey up all you want mc cain, your going down with them.
March 1st, 2006 at 9:12 am“Do you guys have any coherent plan or direction–or is constant Bush bashing all you got?”
After 8 years of Riech Wing whining about Bill Clinton’s cock, now the Riech Wing doesn’t want anyone to be critical of Dear Leader.
Oy.
-GSD
March 1st, 2006 at 9:17 amAs we get closer to the mid-term elections, what are we going to hear from the Republicans?
How about an exit strategy from Iraq? No? Not even an idea of an exit strategy? How about some kind of plan to help stop the sectarian strife from becoming a civil war? No? nothing? Nothing at all from the party that fabricated a tie between Iraq & al Quida out of whole cloth? No surprise there.
Nobody doubts that Saddam was a horrible person. Of course, this was only AFTER Pres. Reagan sold him weapons of mass destruction, and Sec. Rumsfeld shook his hand over the deal. The right-wing doesn’t want to remember THAT bit of news, oh no siree! Completely ignore the past! Well, except for anything to do with pres. Clinton, then he’s suddenly responsible for everything bad that Pres. Bush did during his time in office. The recession started in March of 2001? It was all because of Pres. Clinton! The terrorists attacked us on Sept 11th after reading about “Osama determined to hit us on our own soil using planes as bombs”?? It was all because of Pres. Clinton! Levee break? It was all because of Pres. Clinton!
All we hear from Republicans is “It was all because of Pres. Clinton!” and “Don’t blame US for our actions!”
Now, Pres. Bush wants to sell our ports to one of the few countries that supported the Taliban, and provided financial support to Osama bin laden, and the right wing refuses to hold Pres. Bush responsible for his actions. It’s interesting that the so-called party of “National Security†doesn’t seem to give a crap about our National security. Pres. Bush was unaware of the deal when asked about it, and then had the gall to say he’d veto any effort to stop the deal?!?!? How un-responsible can a President be?
Republican: the party of “responsibility is for someone else, not us!”
March 1st, 2006 at 9:22 am#86
March 1st, 2006 at 9:45 amYou have no capacity for objectivity do you.
Clinton passed on Bin laden, tax dollars ear-marked for the levees was never spent on them, Congress is involved in the port deal. The right steps are being taken. All the left ever wants to do is hold Bush accountable for someone elses responsiblities. Katrina was a perfect example of that. An investegation revealed that there were failures at EVERY level of government. Do you hear the media beating up Mayer Nagin–NO! Do they beat up Gov. Blanco–NO. Only Bush. Why? because it advances the story line that Bush is bad. You’re hero Clinton didn’t do squat as president, except disgrace the office.
Antagonist,
The Feds and COngressional leaders on both sides have already determined the Feds have a greater role in disasters of this size. It’s a matter of national security.
And the response to this at the federal level was impeded by a very unpopular war.
Nagin is an ex-Republican. What more can you say about that moron? Blanco was clearly overwhelmed. She, in addition to criticism, deserves pity.
Clinton? America? You and I? We all passed on Osama because collectively we felt attacks were a normal byproduct of oil acquisition. Those days of that attitude are coming to an end. From one side or the other…
March 1st, 2006 at 9:59 amYou all keep calling for impeachment, impeachment. Join this impeachment rally NOW.
Folks, there have been at least 30-49 Bills of Impeachment introducted in the House of Representatives. Do you know what happened to them?
They all ended up in the trash can
March 1st, 2006 at 10:19 amFolks, there have been at least 30-49 Bills of Impeachment introducted in the House of Representatives. Do you know what happened to them?
They all ended up in the trash can
Comment by Paul in Mexico — March 1, 2006 @ 10:19 am
I wish I had more time to follow up on this. I’ve spent hours signing petitions. Do you know WHO is throwing them away? ‘Cause I’ll make time to let them hear about it.
March 1st, 2006 at 10:25 amUnbelievable.
It is my understanding that the Bills of Impeachment go to one of two places. Either the Governmental Affairs Committee or the House Ethics Committee.
Pukes control the house, so nothing is done, the bills are note even logged in as is house procedure.
Rep. Conyers, Michigan, can give more information. He has personally filed several bills of impeachment, to no avail.
March 1st, 2006 at 10:32 am#87 – You ignore history when it suits you, don’t you?
Pres. Clinton tried to assassinate Osama, but it was written off by his critics as trying to distract from the impeachment hearings. Yup, you ignored that one completely.
Pres. Clinton never ear-marked money for the levees. Yet another fabrication by the right wing. The fact is that the funding for the levees was reduced by Pres. Bush.
“By 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year…forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze.”
http://www.factcheck.org/article344.html
Pres. Bush refuses to admit that his cutting of the funding MIGHT have been a bad thing. Pres. Bush yet again refuses to take responsibility for his actions, and you’re enabling him by not expecting him to accept responsibility. It’s sad that the ultra-radical right wing has come to this, but not too surprising.
Congress is only getting involved in the Ports deal because Pres. Bush has threatened to veto any legislation that might possibly stall the deal for any reason at all. That is a fact.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185677,00.html
The right refuses to accept ANY responsibility for ANY of their actions or lack-of-actions. THAT is a fact! The so-called party of “personal responsibility†seems to only feel that taking responsibility for actions is for other people and not for themselves. You can’t even accept the fact that Pres. Bush refuses to take responsibility for his actions!
It looks like the Republicans have become like what they claim about the Democrats: unable to accept personal responsibility for their actions. And you, sir, selectively ignore the past and fabricate the present to suit your tastes when your rose-colored glasses give you a hint of the truth about the current administration.
The difference between the two of us is that I accept the fact the Democrats are not the perfect party and make mistakes. I also accept the fact that sometimes I’m wrong and can make mistakes. You, on the other hand, seem to never admit that you might, just might, be wrong about anything, and you continue to believe that the Republicans can never make any mistake in any way shape or form, and that Pres. Bush might, just might, not be a perfect person.
March 1st, 2006 at 10:34 amRep. Conyers, Michigan, can give more information. He has personally filed several bills of impeachment, to no avail.
Comment by Paul in Mexico — March 1, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Thanks Paul
March 1st, 2006 at 10:52 amYes, Spudge, That’s the picture. Good posts every one. Shitoff is on C-Span on the Katrina hearing mess. Besides being evil and corrupt he is one ugly mfo……Blessings….Traitor Lieberman is questening him now…Oh now we on port security…..Where are the Dem’s and where the hell are their back bones.?
March 1st, 2006 at 11:04 amIf Condilizia and John run are the Republican ticket in 2008 can we nickname it the Condi ‘Cain ticket?
[Yuck, yuck, yuck...]
March 1st, 2006 at 11:08 am#90
I wish I had more time to follow up on this. I’ve spent hours signing petitions. Do you know WHO is throwing them away? ‘Cause I’ll make time to let them hear about it.
Comment by unbelievable — March 1, 2006 @ 10:25 am
You’re wasting your time and your life by this endeavor. I know you’re a teacher–they put in a lot of time and energy into their jobs. You ought to spend your free-time doing something enjoyable. Your students will benefit from a happier, energized you.
March 1st, 2006 at 11:14 am#92
The difference between the two of us is that I accept the fact the Democrats are not the perfect party and make mistakes. I also accept the fact that sometimes I’m wrong and can make mistakes. You, on the other hand, seem to never admit that you might, just might, be wrong about anything, and you continue to believe that the Republicans can never make any mistake in any way shape or form, and that Pres. Bush might, just might, not be a perfect person.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — March 1, 2006 @ 10:34 am
No the difference between you and me, is that I can see things objectively. You on the other hand, filter all information through your hatred for Bush. Not once have I ever claimed the Republicans or Bush to be without fault. All of you who continually bash Bush have invested too much emotional baggage. You’ve lost your objectivity.
March 1st, 2006 at 11:24 amWow, a story I already knew before ThinkProgress told me! I am getting good. Seriously… ThinkProgress always brings me the real news that I hadden’t known yet. But this is one of the first stories I knew about months before ThinkProgress posted it. Unless this is another post, and the first time I heard about it was through ThinkProgress also. It’s just that this post sounds like this is ThinkProgress’s first time knowing of the matter.
March 1st, 2006 at 11:54 amI agree with #31!
It is time to organize a march on Washington and demand his resignation. Our “Representatives” aren’t representing us. The People are going to have to take back control of their Government. We need to march. We need to have a clear organized message and a list of talking points that just get repeated over and over and over. These people need to go!
Seriously, how do we actually get a march started?
March 1st, 2006 at 12:03 pm#97 – “No the difference between you and me, is that I can see things objectively.”
That’s a good one! Keep repeating it and eventually it will become “trueâ€.
I have not heard you hold Pres. Bush accountable for a single failure, nor have I heard you question any motive of any Republican. You only seem to filter information through your hatred for Democrats. Your inability to objectively view the extra-legal contortions of the current administration exposes your inherent bias against Democrats.
I recall the days when Republicans were ethical and moral and adhered to values. Those days died a quick death with Pres. Bush and his “healthy forests (by clear cutting them)†and “clear skies (by not prosecuting polluting big-companies)†legislation.
Here’s objectivity for you: I though it was great when Pres. Bush said “Osama bin Laden: dead or alive!†I supported attacking Afghanistan when they were hosting terrorist camps. I was horrified when Pres. Bush said “I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.â€
Now that Pres. Bush Flipped from his first statement, he’s Flopped back to “worrying†about Osama bin Laden again. Do I hear you “objectively†looking at Pres. Bush and his actions/statements? No, you don’t. You “subject†all your perceptions of Pres. Bush and the Republican party against your inherent bias against the Democrats.
I admit that I have a bias towards Republicans. Especially morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt Republicans. I can, however, change my perceptions if the argument shows that my belief is incorrect or based on false assumptions. Until proof to the contrary is provided, then I will continue to believe that Pres. Bush is a liar and “flip-flopperâ€-In Chief.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pmAll it takes is pointing out his incompetence. If you want to call that Bush bashing, then so be it.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:14 pmActually, Clinton formed Able Danger who’s job it was to hunt down al Qaida memebers and use “offensive tactics” such as killing them. Clinton didn’t “pass” on Osama bin Laden, he decided to not use a missile strike because Osama was meeting with some UAE royals.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmPaul in Mexico,
Why doesn’t Conyers just enter the motion on the floor. It has to be read into the records then. I respect Conyers, but he has to grow some balls and do it on the house floor.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pmYou ought to spend your free-time doing something enjoyable. Your students will benefit from a happier, energized you.
Comment by Antagonist — March 1, 2006 @ 11:14 am
Unfortunately, for the right, I’m not that egocentric. Plus I do enjoy this. It energizes me. But thanks for your respectful message.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:21 pmComplete fucking failure.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pmunbelievable’s students will benefit more when we get rid of Bush. He has cut $51 billion in student loan and Pell Grant funding in the past three months alone. Not to mention section 9528 of the No Child Left Behind Act that requires middle schools and higher to give up the names addresses and telephone numbers for students to military recruiters or lose their federal funding.
Bush is no friend of schools or student. He’d be smarter if he was.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pm#101 – Spudge_Boy, don’t you find the question somewhat disingenuous?
“Do you guys have any coherent plan or direction…”
Pray tell, what is the “plan or direction” for Pres. Bush?
Does he have an exit plan? Not one that he’s shared with anyone who’s willing to talk about it.
Could it be that his “exit strategy” just doesn’t exist?
Could it be that his “exit strategy” is full of holes or un-workable?
Interesting that he has no metrics on what would constitute “Iraq standing up their own forces” or eventually returning control of the Iraqi nation back to the Iraqi people. I guess as long as Pres. Bush doesn’t explain what he’s trying to do in Iraq then he can’t be held responsible when more and more American troops and civilians are killed and the country descends into civil war. You know, the “civil war†he said wasn’t going to happen in Iraq about a year ago?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html
Pres. Bush: no strategy, plan, or concrete direction for Iraq.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:30 pmDemocrat Soldier,
You ever watch South Park?
Did you ever see the one abou the underwear gnomes?
That is the Bush administration to a tee. They don’t have the middle part. So, their episode would be.
Bush doesn’t have a middle part.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:35 pmBush is no friend of schools or student. He’d be smarter if he was.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — March 1, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
I couldn’t possible agree more Spudge. No Child Left Behind is horrific. It’s all about jugdment by standardized testing, in a species that is largely visually dominant in its learning capacities, and very ‘hands on’. And then the Right blames some fitchfork toting demon for why these kids commit suicide under the pressure of making straight A’s, bieng perfect and popuklar while being Captain of the football team or Cheerleading Squad, Student Council President, and accepted into Harvard on a scholarship.
We don’t value individuality on any level. We’ve stigmatized the perfect child and we go and then judge all others by that trophy case. It is not only unfair, but frankly, boring and cliche’.
I’m tired of the homogenization. And if anyone wants to do anything to help education – fight to stop putting 30 children in one classroom. Tax dollars for textbooks, not bullets, bombs and welfare for the rich.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:37 pmunbelievable,
Under NCLB, students are no longer learning, they are being trained to take tests. That is it. I have a 17 year old, who luckily will be out of the system very soon. But, I also have a 10 year that is being adversly affected by NCLB. Much of her class time is spent training to take tests. Not learning, training. There is a big difference.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmI think the 34% of support comes from the obvious, rich gettin’ richer, and also, from people who support the “idea” of the presidency, the “office of the presidency” and it doesn’t matter who happens to be there.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:59 pm“#110 Not learning, training. There is a big difference.”
This is excellent and very to the point. We should train pets. We should teach people.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:02 pmNot learning, training. There is a big difference.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — March 1, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Spudge,
Don’t get me started… I agree with your comments and have repeatedly uttered them myself. And this is just my first year in the system.
You’re right – we are training them to take tests on inane information. Who gives a rat’s ass that “The temperature on Venus is about 460 degrees C”? I try to teach them about Greenhouse Effect and how that affects temperature so that they will then be able to deduce that life on Venus is not possible for humans due to the associated intense heat build up, and then relate that what is going on here. But no – the have to memorize empty facts to pass the stupid exams. 460 C is what is important… Nothing of actual value.
I tell my students that if it weren’t for the CCRTs, SATs and GREs of catagorizing, that we wouldn’t have any. We’d do projects and field trips and labs and everyting would some how be related to life in the real world.
So now, my hands too are tied. November 2008 can’t come soon enough.
Hope you make enough money to afford college. Sick what this Administration has done to grants and loans. Makes even a Pacifist want to smack some people around :)
March 1st, 2006 at 1:08 pmunbelievable,
I am not a teacher, just a parent, and this stuff pisses me off to no end.
Oh yeah, there is one more sneaky thing going on. Apply for a government grant or loan, register with Selective Services.
Isn’t Selective Services for the Draft?
Oh, personally, I am an old man. I am well into my career. My daughter unfortunately cannot go to college. I can’t afford to send her on my own. Even with my mother offereing to mortgage her home wasn’t enough. The average going price on a four year degree is $250,000. We just can’t afford it. Especially with grants and loans being cut at the rate they are.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:23 pm#101
Do you guys have any coherent plan or direction–or is constant Bush bashing all you got?
All it takes is pointing out his incompetence. If you want to call that Bush bashing, then so be it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — March 1, 2006 @ 12:14 pm
You make it sound like you respectfully disagree with Bush. Who are you trying to kid? There’s nothing but pure unadulterated hatred for the man here.
Thanks for making my point though…no coherent plan or direction…
March 1st, 2006 at 1:31 pmI am not a teacher, just a parent, and this stuff pisses me off to no end.
I know – you’re in PR, right?
Oh yeah, there is one more sneaky thing going on. Apply for a government grant or loan, register with Selective Services.
Isn’t Selective Services for the Draft?
No doubt we’ll see the draft. I look at my students and worry sometimes.
Oh, personally, I am an old man. I am well into my career. My daughter unfortunately cannot go to college. I can’t afford to send her on my own. Even with my mother offereing to mortgage her home wasn’t enough. The average going price on a four year degree is $250,000. We just can’t afford it. Especially with grants and loans being cut at the rate they are.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — March 1, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
That’s so awful! And unfair! So sorry to hear that. Especially with the rich getting richer…
Ooops, bell just rung. About to be swarmed.
Well, if your duaghter has your intellect, she won’t need college. I have friends who are self-educated and they are doing better than many who did attend college.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:32 pmMy take on America.
This all lies on Hollywood’s shoulders.
You see, Hollywood has this love of the loveable idiot. You know how it is, you have the bright person playing the villain and more often then not the hero is some sort of retard. The traditional American hero could be any Adam Sandler character – Davey Crocket stand aside here comes the Waterboy.
So that is what you eventually voted for. Hollywood has so conditioned the American mindset that Americans just cannot bring themselves to not trust a complete idiot with total power.
And this has led to what you have now; the Right Wing movie zombies thinking “But he is about to make good all of a sudden and the people with brains will eat their words” much like as what happens in every second American comedy. They will continue to stand by their chimp in chief because frankly they simply cannot see that a screw-up is a screw-up because screw-ups screw-up.
What is needed now is a serious shift in American culture, away from the stupid and sub-par and towards the intellegent. In the 60’s Bob Dylan did it for you, now America needs a more permanent solution to the problem.
March 1st, 2006 at 1:48 pmSpudge_Boy
What is your daughter wanting to study? Does America have something like UNISA maybe (http://www.unisa.ac.za/) which you can register her with so she can study part-time or is it all on campus out there?
March 1st, 2006 at 1:58 pmI don’t repectfully disagree with Bush. I think he is a retard. I have mde that quite clear. Other people can respectfully disagree with him, but I won’t make any excuses for hi incompetence. None. You should know me by now.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:06 pmShe wants to study Pharmacology. But the way it is looking, she will end up being a Pharmacy Assistant, rather than a Pharmasist. Big difference in pay.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pmPity it wasn’t accounts or I would have said you would be cheaper sending her over here. Pharmacology, I don’t know. Have a look see if America has a reasonable corrospondence school (reasonable as in, not a diploma mill) which she can use to achieve her degree. It is much harder then doing it full time, but it is an alternative.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:30 pmi see that there is some reference about school/college. i have an aunt that has been teaching for close to 20 or more years and a sister teaching in vegas on her 5 yr. both of them have talked about the mickey mouse operation called “no child left behind”. and it doesn’t take a teacher to figure that out. i asked my sis along with my young son about black history month and what was being taught and discussed. the both of them said NOTHING AT ALL WAS BEING MENTIONED. due to testing. i believe history is the best lesson learned. america gets sadder by the minute.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:39 pmand what i would like to know is what does bushy know about school? as rick james would say and bush……coke is a hell of a drug.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:41 pmwhere do you all get these pics? you regulars sure crack me up with the things you post(comments,battles,pics). just had to say that.
alright folks,
there will be better days
safe weekend folks.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pmOnce again, Antagonist cannot tell us what the Republican “plan or direction” for Iraq is. Just “more of the same” partisan hate for anyone who dares question “the man” sitting in the White House.
Plan for the military:
1 – Build a permanent military base in Iraq that will eventually be turned over to the Iraqi forces. This “base†will be where the Iraqi forces will be trained. (No-bid contracting will NOT be allowed!) This will prove the commitment of the US and the “coalition of the billing†for securing Iraq.
2 – Coordinate with the UN to get Arabic/Farsi speaking military personnel to conduct the training. Yes, this means working WITH the UN. We just don’t have the personnel that know enough Arabic/Farsi to do the training. We’ve got tons that know Russian, though!!!
3 – Send upper Officers & Enlisted out of the country for advanced training. (O3 & E-6 and up) This would ensure you have a properly trained cadre to support the force rather than expect OTJ training to weed out the bad apples.
3 – Begin Basic & Advanced training for the Iraqi forces. It would take about 12-18 months before the first battalion to “stand up†and begin their jobs. As soon as the personnel from #3 complete their training, set them up with our forces that are training the military at the permanent base in Iraq.
4 – Conduct parallel actions with both Iraqi and non-Iraqi forces to base-line the knowledge and experience. Once the Iraqi battalion takes over the job, start sending American battalions back home.
5 – Metrics for this would include time-in-grade and time-in-job, tied to performance judged by three tiers: Iraqi officers, American officers, Third Party officers (selected from the “coalition of the billingâ€). These metrics would be defined using concrete parameters, not the vague “when we say they’re ready†one used by Pres. Bush.
6 – During this time, get the military infrastructure in place to support both internal security forces for the sectarian strife currently heating up, and external security forces to keep Iraq from continuing as the terrorist training ground that it’s become since we didn’t secure the borders properly because we were SO interested in securing the oil production facilities.
Of course, this only addresses the Military of Iraq. It doesn’t address the police forces, nor the government facilities & control, nor the judicial infrastructure to support the government. Then again, this is MUCH more than Pres. Bush has offered to the American people. His idea of “success†depends on the day you ask him, and how much he has to blame others for his massive failures in Iraq & Afghanistan.
March 1st, 2006 at 2:51 pmBush Unaware of Katrina Problems Until Four Days Later…
Do you want to trust your life with this man?…
March 1st, 2006 at 2:53 pm“Rep. Conyers, Michigan, can give more information. He has personally filed several bills of impeachment, to no avail.” — Paul in Mexico
I don’t believe that’s the case.
• Up until the 2004 election, Conyers made it clear that he felt the election had to occur before a bill could be filed.
• Subsequently, he has made it clear that he felt more investigation was needed before filing. He published ‘Constitution in Crisis’ in December 05, which specifically states that more investigation is needed.
• Since December, he has (apparently) worked with Carl Sheeler in Rhode Island, a US Senate candidate (an Independent), to get RI to file impeachment.
We have heard nothing of attempted filing as Paul in Mexico claims.
I believe what he is saying is untrue.
March 1st, 2006 at 4:05 pm“It is my understanding that the Bills of Impeachment go to one of two places. Either the Governmental Affairs Committee or the House Ethics Committee.” — Paul in Mexico
INCORRECT.
From http://www.carlsheeler.com:
“Steps Toward Impeachment…
1. Impeachment starts informally with the people.
2. A member of the House of Representatives refers charges to the House Judiciary Committee. OR, using a little known precedent, a State Legislature can pass a Resolution of Impeachment and transmit that to the US House through their Representative.
3. The House Judiciary Committee considers the charges and adopts a resolution to conduct an inquiry.
4. House of Representatives passes the resolution by a majority vote.
5. The House Judiciary Committee conducts the inquiry or investigation into the crimes.
6. The House Judiciary Committee approves articles of impeachment by a majority.
7. The House of Representative debates each article and passes at least one with a majority vote. Bush is now officially “impeached”.
8. The Senate conducts a trial and convicts with a 2/3 majority vote.
9. The President, and/or his VP and others, are removed from office.”
Why Paul in Mexico is misleading this blog is an open question. But with two pieces of false information given, I’d say we are being spoofed. Given the similarity of his handle with my own, and the topic, which is something I have worked hard for over the last six years, I’d say it’s a troll.
March 1st, 2006 at 4:12 pm#127 and #128 I think Paul in Mexico is referring to H.RES.635
March 1st, 2006 at 5:17 pmWhat makes you think that, Amy?
A bill to investigate, in order to gather more information, is NOT an impeachment.
Nancy Pelosi will not allow an impeachment bill to go forward. She insists (correctly) that she would have to be Speaker of the House first (i.e., the Dems in the majority).
I agree. The reasoning is clear — a bill of impeachment wouldn’t pass the House, so it would damage the Dems.
Conyers agrees as well.
What ‘Paul in Mexico’ is doing is LYING. Why is anyone’s guess. But the subject is a bit too serious for joshing.
March 1st, 2006 at 5:49 pmThe man is mentally, emotionally, and intellectually disabled. Seriously, we’d be better off with Nancy Regan and her psychics running the show.
March 1st, 2006 at 5:55 pmI can see it all now…
…after the port deal is nailed down in favor of DPW…
President George W. Bush wasn’t aware that a nuclear dirty bomb smuggled into the country through the port of Miami and detonated in Washington, D.C…
…until Michael Moore made a feature film about it two months later…
…seems Bush was cutting brush on his FARM and playing horseshoes with the local yokels of Crawfish, TX…
March 1st, 2006 at 6:20 pmAgain BUSH LIED….you know it and now because AP released this video…the public knows it…Absolutley SHAMEFUL!
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