Before Katrina Struck, Michael Brown Warned Bush ‘The Levees Could Actually Breach’
Before Katrina Struck, Michael Brown Warned Bush ‘The Levees Could Actually Breach’
On September 1, two days after the storm hit, President Bush said “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” Last night on CNN, former FEMA Director Michael Brown said he personally warned President Bush the levees could breach before the storm hit:
MESERVE: In the transcripts of the 29th briefing, you talk about conversations you had that morning with the president. This is the day of landfall…How did the president know to ask about breaches of the levees? Did he have reports in hand at that time already that that had happened in New Orleans?
BROWN: There’s no question in my mind he probably had those reports, because we were feeding in the Homeland Security Operations Center, into the White House sit room, all of the information that we were getting. So he had to have had that information. Plus, I think the president knew from our earlier conversations that that was one of my concerns, that the levees could actually breach.
The White House still maintains that Bush’s September 1 statement was accurate and the media continues to play along.
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“We have to address the fact that the president has broken the law.†— Senator Russ Feingold
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 amKing George the Dumb, the Duke of Dubai was absolutely truthful in his response to the Katrina levee disaster, as well as his other screw-ups. To wit: “I don’t think…”
After that you are on your own.
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:51 amChris Matthews allowed the White House yesterday to use the “dodged a bullet” defense. He was pretty hopped up about it, too.
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:52 amHere’s Video of Kathleen Blanco, on the morning of Aug. 29, 2005, saying that one of her biggest concerns was that the levees might breach.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:02 amJust when will you urge your members of congress to impeach this man who has flat out lied to all your faces?
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:06 amso does the left now like Drownie, the fashion god?
You people are transparent to a fault.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:08 amNo, Brown still bungled the response and wasn’t qualified for the job. But that doesn’t change the fact that he told Bush the levees could breach. He is still defending Bush, and does so in this intereview, so there is no reason to believe this quote isn’t accurate.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:10 amI wonder, as I read on CHB, was he binge drinking (ie vacation)
Just asking
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:12 amWhether by design or mere consequence, or a combination of the two, the Bush Administration ultimately benefits from the number and rate of scandals befalling them.
Like trained dogs (with equally matching attention spans), the mainstream media, in running after the latest stick of incompetence or corruption tossed in the air, abruptly disregards the previous stick and all the other sticks strewn about this administration’s landscape of misdeeds. The most insidious aspect of this pattern is that while each stick is chased, this administration adroitly and often furtively – with help from woefully inept coverage – furthers their agenda in myriad ways that receive little or no attention. These acts regularly surface later as the new stick tossed: no-bid Halliburton contracts, institutionalized torture, NSA spying, the new Katrina tape. By then, of course, the damage is done.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:13 amOf course Mr Brown warned them, he was just a scape goat from the being who was used to shift the blame away from Dubya. The white house had been stalling on releasing the video because they knew what was on it. The video shows Dubya doing what he always does, lie, and then run right as fast as he can. Remember is compassionate conservatism, well thats what conservatives do when they get in a pinch. They can’t tell the truth to voters, they just tell them what they want to hear, and then do nothing.
I didn’t need to wait for the tape to come out to figure out that, Dubya was out to lunch during KATRINA. He’s been out to lunch since 9-12-2001. This guys has the best of intensions, but uncle Dick and Rummy won’t let him play with the big stuff. He can only play in the kiddy pool, that way he won’t get wet. What fool would lie about some-thing knowing all the time there is a video tape that will show you lied? This white house has lied since day one and they don’t intend to stop until the last day of his second term.
For someone who hides behind presidential privilage on every issue, you shouldn’t expect anything more. They are too secretive, arogant, and self centered to see things the way most people see them. You can tell by the smurk on Uncle Dickies face every time he opens his pie hole about some so called secret he isn’t going to talk about. I forget who said it but, “Absolute power corupts”, and this crowd as taken absolute power to a new level. Some times it scares me to see the Republicans rubber stamp every decision. It look too much like the former Soviet Union to me. Remember how their system worked, the leader made a statement and the communist party backed him 100 percent everytime.
The voters better wake up before it’s too late. This country cannot thrieve on a one party system, no democracy can. If our founding fathers wanted a one party system they wouldn’t have fought the British. The would have just done like the Republicans do now and taken orders from King George.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:15 amWho’s transparent? “The left”-”You people”- sounds like Rush to me.
By the way- “Your a great American”
Glad you’re here to expose the liberal left.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:16 ambush didn’t listen to Brownie cuz Bush knows Brownie was a polical hack who shouldn’t have been anywhere near that job.
Plus, there was brush to clear.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:16 amDrownie’s an idiot and his interviews have been very self serving. However, I do believe Georgie was warned, but just couldn’t care less.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:17 amHow much can you reasonably expect from a collaboration between chimps?
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:19 am#11 – it’s obvious what Drownie had to do to get in good with the left. Attack Bush. Blame Bush. That’s what they all do. Unfortunately, in the end, this won’t be enough to hurt Republicans. Most Americans are tired of Katrina whining.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:21 amFair Question -
Mike Brown was still unqualified and ineffective. That doesn’t mean he is also a liar.
Bush has that title all wrapped up himself.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:21 amBush knew everything in advance about Hurricane Katrina’s potential destruction, but he was/is too dim-witted to care!
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:23 amFQ,
Just curious. Are you of draft age if such a thing comes to pass?
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:25 am[...] And the hits just keep on coming. Where are all those “restore honesty and integrity” to the Whitehouse Republicans now that their own party’s Pinochio is at the helm? [...]
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:26 amAlso remember that whenever it was election season for Bush, he rushed to help hurricane victims in Florida, but last year was after the election and in Louisiana a Democrat State for the most part! George only cares about himself and his smarmy response to Katrina proved it!
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:28 am#15:
Fair-Question, you got two things wrong there.
First why would Brownie WANT to get in good with the left? What does he have to gain by that? You are merely framing the issue in your rose-colored glasses again. If someone is critical of Bush, he must automatically be a leftist lover, right? Can’t take criticism of your fearless leader?
Second, I posted something similar earlier when you said people were “Katrina’d out.” Now, they’re whining. I’ll cut and paste what I wrote on the other thread that you ignored (cause conservatives tend to ignore things they don’t like):
“Katrina’d out?
Tell that the the people getting kicked out of the hotel rooms with no place to go. Tell that to the tens of thousands of people whose homes are destroyed. Tell that the the hundreds of businesses in LA that are still shut down with no hope of re-opening in the near future.”
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:29 amUnfortunately, this is where we are w/r/t the dissemination of information by the government and the government-contolled MSM spin. Witness this excerpt from The Orwellian Language of Big Government (Mark Schmidt – 2004):
Thanks to Think Progress, et al, for their efforts to get the truth out – oh yeah, and,
“We have to address the fact that the president has broken the law.†— Senator Russ Feingold
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:29 amHow idiotic is this White House, anyway? They released a videoconference with Gov. Blanco from the evening of Aug. 29, 2005 in which she says she has no confirmed reports of any levee breaches.
This is supposed to prove that Bush wasn’t a lying, or out of touch dilhole when he said a few days later than “nobody anticipated the breach of the levees.”
The problem is, the White House itself has admitted that only a few hours BEFORE that videoconference with Gov. Blancoi, a FEMA official saw what he thought was a breach in the levee on a helicopter flyover, and REPORTED THAT TO THE WHITE HOUSE!
So, in essence, the White House knew about a possible levee breach, and then DID NOT SAY A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT TO THE GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANA A FEW HOUS LATER!
They just let her say: “No confirmed levee breaches.” without saying: “But we got this report. Have you checked t out?
The stunning level of incompetence and lacksidaisical attaitude by Bush officials is nothing short of breathtaking.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:36 amThe NERVE of mere citizens to demand accountability from the “Accountability President”.
We should investigate EVERY citizen who has the nerve to question the Leader.
-GSD
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:40 amI love the smell of troll-fear in the morning. It smells like… victory.
See you at the polls, trolls.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:43 amThere is a stunning picture of Bush manning a command center for one of the Florida huuricanes before the ‘04 election.
Bush lloks like he is in NASA or something, maps, pictures, staff and all.
For Katrina, he looks like Saddam in one of his bunkers…sheepishly sitting there with his beady eyes, and his incurious ways.
This guy is like Caligula only not as smart.
-GSD
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:43 amthis has nothing to do whith katrina but a note worthy incident that happened in aurora co, my stompin grounds. a teacher made a reference to the class about eerie simularities between hitler and bush by stating comments from bush from the state of the union address. now the teacher is out and the students are protesting for his return. now this is bs. free speech? this is absurd. this is why we are livid over doing away with the freedom of media(broadcasting)act. not only have they taken our free speech liberty away scarborough/reichwing believe we are against america and we are the real terrorist. ya know i have never ever seen so much incompetence and manipulation tactics by a white house in my life. just be happy that clinton recieved a blow job from a women. because for all of this shit to be happening there is alot of bribing going on and money is NOT shutting folks up. or should i ask? are you tossing salad? would you like jelly or syrup with that? so i guess i know where i’m at with this administration—–since i do not believe in god and religion, and definately do NOT stand with this criminal regime. by there thinking i’m a terrorist and a threat to america. so i’ll be waiting for the knock at the door.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:45 amCheck out Kurtz’article in today’s WP.’When did he know?’ I understand that he is a commentator. But he is very clearly and squarely in the Bush crime family camp. He slams the left citing C&L and Think Progress for publishing the truth, which makes the fraud in the WH look bad. Sorry, Howard you are backing the wrong horse. You have no objectivity left.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:45 amwhat’s up with the writing some 4 letter/number code before you message will be posted. then you have to start over?
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:48 amI do not type in the code. I haven’t done it once. I just click on the back button. The message still posts.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 amYou know why the neo-cons are so “for personal responsability”? Only to have a lot of middle men easily convertible to scapegoats between the blame being pinned in the President, even when he is the main responsible. NO matter Katrina hit several states. NO matter the main city of Louisiana was being literally washed away. The main culprit? The ones being drowned. Next? The local police of Lousiana. No matter they had not enough resources. Next? Louisiana Mayor. NO matter half the police and firemen flew. Next? Louisiana governor. NO matter the national war of Louisiana was deployed half a world away. Next? Brownie. No matter he raised all the alarms well before the levees breached. Next? Chertoff. NO matter ha has been obligated to assume the commandment of a monstrous hydra-like agency, no longer functional at all. Next? Cheney. Well, the buck stops here. Cheney would shot in the face anyone trying to pin the blame on him. Next? Dubya. The one with a “Mandate”. The one with presidential powers. The one with the Patriot Act on his hands to act as a dictator king. But hey, he don’t need to get involved at all in anything.
Just as the Abu Graihb tortures. A PFC and a soldier the only responsibles. Oh, and a National Guard female general. But the true responsibles? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Alito, Yoo? Not them.
NeoCon, the party of personal evasion.
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:51 amMax Myfield, Director of the National Hurrican Center is quoted in the August 28, 2005 video briefing as saying:
On August 28, 2005 the National Hurricane Center issued an advisory on Katrina that stated:
The highest part of the levees in New Orleans is 23 feet:
“Overtopping” is what caused the levees to break according to investigators:
On the morning of August 28, 2005, President could have been a heroic president and ordered a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans. Instead he chose to spend most of his time talking about the Iraqi Contitution.
Out of twelve paragraphs from the August 28, 2005 address only 3 were spent on Katrina and he clearly states that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is in charge of the operations:
The Mississippi emergency declaration that he mentions in the above speech also clearly gives FEMA control:
The President’s action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the counties of Covington, Forrest, Hancock, Harrison, Jackson, Jefferson Davis, Jones, Lamar, Marion, Pearl River, and Stone.
This is clearly a case of George W. Bush not listening to his advisors. This is knowbody elses responsibility But George Bush’s. This is all the proof that is needed, but I have more if the trolls would like.
Bush new the levees would be breeched. He was told they would on AUgust 28, 2005 and he lied to Diane Sawyer and the United States of America on September 1, 2005.
More at: New Video Shows George W. Bush Knew Levees Would Be Breeched
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:53 am#11 Who’s transparent? “The leftâ€-â€You peopleâ€- sounds like Rush to me.
By the way- “Your a great Americanâ€
LOL
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:54 amI think any REAL American will NOT get tired of the ‘whining’ until everyone who was harmed by Katrina finds their footing again.
It isn’t whining when thousands of people are looking for a way to get their lives back in order.
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:02 pm” Absolute power has no necessity to lie, it may be silent…
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmwhile responsible governments obliged to speak not only disguise the truth, but lie with effrontery.” Napoleon Bonaparte
“I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.†He also said, “We are a nation of communities… a brilliant diversity spread like stars, like a thousand points of light in a broad and peaceful sky.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that last quote was before he allowed one of our very brightest lights to go out down in New Orleans.
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:07 pmMagnumDB,
That should be:
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pm
your President is a complete moron
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmI think the easiest explanation is: GWB doesn’t (didn’t)know the meaning of the word “breach.”
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmwow..some ‘hi-powered’ trolls out there..more ‘disperation’?
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:41 pm#44
He thought it was only half of what his Momma still dresses him in each morning. If it was only half bad it couldn’t be real bad.
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:43 pm#9 – You’ve hit the nail on the head! If the media and/or the our inept congress would just focus in on one of the Bush administrations innumerable scandals, holding their feet to the proverbial fire until they were forced to fully account for their actions, the president would be pulling up permanent residence in Crawford before he could say Nukular… Nukliar… Nucu… Uhmmm You know what I mean.
Focus Young Grasshoppers!!!
March 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmUnfortunately, in the end, this won’t be enough to hurt Republicans. Most Americans are tired of Katrina whining.
You know, there’s a whole world outside of freeperville. You should check it out: there’s a lot more Americans than you evidently think.
And I know this will come as a shock, but the vast majority don’t like how Republicans are handling the country. That includes what happened with the Katrina fiasco.
Every poll, including Fox’s, makes that clear, so you really have no excuse not to know this.
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmThe funny thing is of the two super powers at least russia talks about problems and have the guts to solve situations
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmAmerica is becoming IGNORANT
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmFair Question, you are an idiot. Brown was still trying to defend Bush, not attack him. He simply stated what info was given to Bush when. You clowns will turn on each other like a pack of wild dogs when one of your own voices any concern about Dumbya’s job performance. Wake the F*CK UP! Bush is a failure on every level.
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pm#49 – “The funny thing is of the two super powers at least russia talks about problems and have the guts to solve situations”. – Rummmy
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm*****I was just waiting for this from the “Blame America for EVERYTHING” crowd. (Rummmmy, you did forget to mention Putin tightening up on a “free press” but I suppose more than one “problem” overloads your circuits.)
mighty aphrodite,
Don’t be stupid. We don’t blame America. We for the most part are Americnas. We would be blaming ourselves. Nope, we blame the Bush administration. Not just Bush, all of them.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pm“*****I was just waiting for this from the “Blame America for EVERYTHING†crowd. (Rummmmy, you did forget to mention Putin tightening up on a “free press†but I suppose more than one “problem†overloads your circuits.) mighty aphrodite AKA RiteWinger AKA Jeffrey Shawn”
Oh sweetie, that’s what you do – blame america. You blame america for all of the ‘commie deaths’. You blame america for not stopping the holocaust. You blame america for not bombing the soviets. You blame america for not killing all of the arabs to protect israel. You blame america for providing social programs – and to your diminished partisan capacity, the resulting poverty that you claim it produces. You blame america for protecting the elderly, because you think it weakens people. You blame america for having public schools, because you think it teaches bad values. You blame america for not permitting the extremists to win Vietnam in your eyes. You blame america for voting in Clinton, and undermining your sense of presidential imperial power.
The problem is that republicans and extremists such as yourself blame america, and accuse others of doing so. But I forgive you for hypocrisy, your ignorance, your hatred, your anger and your disrespect for america and our values. It’s obvious that you believe you live in a different place, than what america represents. I’m sure you’ll do your best to create the kind of Orwellian utopia you believe america should be – but it’s only because your fear, ignorance and religious fantasy life won’t permit you to live in the america that the majority of americans live in. Sweetie, your the fringe, desperate and hate filled minority. And hopefully someday you’ll learn to love america and your fellow americans. But I forgive you for not being able to do so today pumpkin.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmAs a civil engineer with experience in hydraulics/hydrology
I can say that “overtopping” of any earthen embankment
(in this case, a levee) by water is considered to be a failure. Overtopping causes erosion and scouring of the downstream slope of the embankment, which generally leads to failure (a breach) of the embankment.
As far as design of an earthen embankment is concerned,
overtopping is assumed to *always* result in failure of the
structure. This is why “emergency spillways” are constructed – to prevent overtopping.
So, the parsing of “overtopped” vs. “breached” levees is a
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmred herring – relative to earthen embankments, they mean the same thing.
[...] Why is the media helping the administration cover up it’s lies? The Katrina video was released this week (see below) demonstrating that Bush, in fact, was informed the levees in NOLA were in danger of being breached, despite his contradictions to the contrary stating that “no one could have anticipated” the breach of the levees during the hurricane. [...]
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:57 pm#55. Last night, I heard Sean Hannity claim that overtopping was no big deal. Essentially, he said that a little water would splash over the levee, we’d mop it up and go on. Would the knowledge that some of the earthen levees are topped with embedded concrete floodwalls (I-walls, according to the ACOE) change your conclusion? If the President had any competent advisors, would they tell him any different?
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:19 pm#54
RP…you’re awesome! Rarely do I hear (read, see) the reight so eloquently deflated.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:08 pmWhat does all this mean ? OK … for the sake of argument let’s just say that Goerge Bush knew !!! ( I don’t know why that line of thinking has become such a popular theme … but just to carry it out to it’s logical conclusion let’s just take it is a fact ) What does it mean ? Should he have stopped the hurricane ? Maybe misdirected it to an area populated by rich white people. What was he going to do ? If … ifhe knew, perhaps that is why he sent so much money (more than any president in history)(more than Bill Clinton) for levy repairs years (y*e*a*r*s !!!) prior to Hurrican Katrina just to prevent such an event from coming to the tragedy that became of this one.
So what happened to that money ? Why wasn’t it spent on levy repairs, or a better term; “modifications” ? Who handled tat money after it was recieved by the state of Louisanna ? And how does this have anything to do with Bush knowing the levy had broken ?
After the levy had broken millions of gallons and cubic square feet water begin rushing in on the city of New Orleans. So again what if Bush knew ? What was he going to do ? Washington and the organizations at Bush command were over 2000 miles away and had yet to even be called into action. It is concievable that those groups could have taken as much as two days to gather a deploy. George Bush was not present on site when the damage and impending destruction manifested in New Orleans. Who was ? What did the authorities present in New Orleans do ?
Even if you hypothysize that George Bush knew that the levys “could” break before the storm you could not hold him to being clarivoiant. He couldn’t have known that the storm was going to be that severe, where it was going to strike, or that the levys were in fact going to break.
This frame of mind is so ridiculous. “See … George Bush knew !!! This is grounds for impeachment.” I would love to tell you if John Kerry had been president he would have done exactly what Bush didn’t do and everything would be alright. The fact is events like this with circumstance that are beyond our ability to control, and the result would have been the same regardless of who was president.
The truth is I don’t think that anyone who is itelligent enough to read this doesn’t know that. Including those who say that it is not true.
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:45 pm#59- As your post amply demonstrates, you lack the mental capacity to process any reply that your asinine string of rhetorical “questions” might generate. So, why don’t you run along now, the ADULTS are trying to have a conversation here. Go-scoot !! Sheesh, kids these days…
March 4th, 2006 at 1:17 amSays it all.
March 4th, 2006 at 8:23 amWhy is it that when liberals are ask to confront an issue with logic and reason they return with stupidity and insults ? ( refering to #60 nad #61 )
I am sorry but that does “say it all”. The truth is you hate George Bush ! That is all, there is nothing more to the of this nonsense posted here or in any other forum. There is nothing more to the investigation going on in the House of Representatives. You hate George Bush and you are trying to use any thing from what you falsely think is an unjust military action in Iraq, to a man shot in the face in a hunting accident to give your hatred of George Bush credibility for more than being just that.
I suppose I could feel insulted, or put in my place, by someone who supports the inane notion that the aftermath of an unpredictable and uncontrolable force of nature is the responsiblitly of one man. However I would rather consider the “intelligence” of the source. Someone who has the knowledge that the same event affected the entire gulf coast. Yet fails to notice that only the area which was mismanaged, and later abandoned, by it’s democratic leader ship was incapable of meeting the needs of it’s people in time of crisis.
Perhaps my mental capacity is so minuscule it only allows me to see that. I would argue that information is far more signifigant than the witless inquiry of “George Bush knew !”
March 4th, 2006 at 1:20 pmfor some unknown reason my browser failed to recognize all of the changes I made in my last post #62 this is wat should have been posted
Why is it that when liberals are ask to confront an issue with logic and reason they return with stupidity and insults ? ( refering to #60 and #61 )
I am sorry but that does “say it allâ€. The truth is you hate George Bush ! That is all, there is nothing more to the nonsense posted here or in any other forum.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:29 pm#15, in re: your “Attack Bush. Blame Bush. That’s what [Liberals] all do. Unfortunately, in the end, this won’t be enough to hurt Republicans.”
This is so true.
In order to be hurt, one must have feelings. A nervous system that is not calcified. A brain.
Let us compare the Terri Schiavo incident, wherein the only person not harmed in any way was Terri herself (not believing in a soul or afterlife, I do not admit the possibility that she had to look down from above on what a shameful spectacle the Right made of this sad affair).
Can’t hurt if ya can’t care. And being uncaring is a high level neo-con mission. Cuz caring, you see, it’s for GIRLS and if guys do it, well, it’s kinda faggoty-looking. And besides, it might cost money.
March 4th, 2006 at 4:06 pm#62: sorry about your browser having outwitted you.
In re: your
“Why is it that when liberals are ask to confront an issue with logic and reason they return with stupidity and insults? ( refering to #60 and #61 )”
Well I for one reject the term “stupidity” because I suspect it would be more honest for you to have typed “stuff I don’t understand,” instead. Moreover, I have yet to see a single display of anything I would describe as “logic and reason” from, well, people like YOU. Do you even know what logic /is/?
But to answer your question directly: I do it because you all make it so easy. And it’s fun, too, because I’ve been so incredibly angry at all you half-wits for years. Happy now? Yes. Yes. Yes. I /do/ think you are stupid. Prove me wrong, Descartes
March 4th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#6, in re: your
“so does the left now like Drownie, the fashion god?
You people are transparent to a fault.”
That is RICH, sir!
Nothing changes the fact that “Drownie,” as you so droll-ly call him, was a crony appointment if ever there was one. Not unlike the NASA stooge who thought the Old Testament deity a better scientific theory than the Big Bang.
However, it really /is/ interesting to see footage (undoubtedly fabricated by slobbering communist gay skeleton aliens with vast powers over time and space) demonstrating that Mr. Brown may not have been quite as clueless as we all thought.
See, the problem is, you could prop up a shrivelled dead circus clown next to George Dumbya (oh hee hee ha ha my sides! land sakes!) and he would look like a nuclear physicist. The footage did the unthinkable and juxtaposed GWB with people who seemed to know what concern, probing questions and research — indeed, what life beyond mere breathing and staring gap-mouthed — were.
Transparent? I guess so. You /do/ know what I’m thinking, don’t you?
March 4th, 2006 at 4:46 pmTo # 65: Did you read 60 and 61 before you posted that comment about what I said ? There is nothing not to understand. It is of even less intellectual value than it is of content. But to answer you I will try to define logic as has been presented by the liberal argument.
1) The Bush administration cause a hurricane.
2) Bush knew then did nothing because he wanted black people and democratic voters to die.
3) For five consecutive years prior to the hurricane which he and his administration caused Bush alocated funds for levy improvements, more than any other president
4) Bush made the democratic elected representatives, under a democratic governor and mayor, spend the funds dedicated for those levys, which he no longer had control over, on a bridge in Alaska.
5) Bush made the Governor of Louisana turn away initial federal assitance, because he didn’t want people seeking refuge in the superdome. ( for those that don’t know that is sarcasm. It was Katleen Blanco that turned away initial federal assistance because she did not want more people in the superdome)
6) Bush knew the levys had broken and headed for the hills while the city’s busses were being flooded, leaving the populace without means of evacuation. Meanwhile he got in front a camera and began a series of curses that would make a sailor blush with shame.
Perhaps it is you who don’t understand Glenn. I understand perfectly, logic and reason defeat your argument. Infact it is a useless tool to you. Like driving in a nail with a water ballon. stupidity and ignorance are two great assets for you. assuring the foundation for any argument you wish to put forward. Like the one for which this thread is devoted, and your post.
March 4th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#67, William, in re: your “Did you read 60 and 61 before you posted that comment about what I said ? There is nothing not to understand. It is of even less intellectual value than it is of content. But to answer you I will try to define logic as has been presented by the liberal argument.”
If I understand you here (and believe me, I am straining to untangle the — cough — /logic/ you are so carefully employing in this fantasia of a paragraph), you are
1) Asking me whether I read the posts preceding your “botched” post, #62. My answer is no, sir, I did not. My reason was that neither your much shorter #63 (to which I was actually responding, forgive my arithmetical error) nor #62 gave me any reason to expect anything of interest in your other posts, and so I did not seek them out.
2) Telling me that “there is nothing to understand” in the posts you are taking me to task for not having read. Sorry, that’s what the sentence you typed /says/.
3) Telling me further that the intellectual value of those posts of yours which I ignored was even “less than it is of content,” whatever the hell THAT means (I confess I don’t understand the sentence). In essence you call your posts worthless (I think – your prose isn’t very good) but don’t seem to “get” why I didn’t eagerly seek them out and read them.
4) You proceed to explain — uh, I think — your understanding of what logic is per “the liberal argument” (again – that phrase is very confusing. Which liberal argument? And when did I ask you to parse your understanding of a liberal’s understanding of logic.
Let me tell you what I think logic is, William. And I am not referring to Wikipedia or anything.
Logic, sir, unless we are talking about mathematical or symbolic logic per someone like W.V.O Quine or Suzanne Langer’s entertaining introduction to the topic, is simply the forms of clear argument. Now, that definition is neither formal nor would it hold water in a Philosophy class of any depth whatever.
My beef with you and your ilk, sir, is that I am of the opinion that when you carelessly invoke the word “logic,” what you really mean is “my [yes, William, ONLY your] gut feeling” about a subject or question. It’s what people sometimes refer to as “common sense” (although I daresay Thomas Paine would have difficulty recognizing your peculiar version). “Logic” of this form takes the shape of statements like “killing fetuses is JUST WRONG. I /feel/ it!”
That’s not logic, sir.
Now, if you would like to spar further – bring it on. But I’d urge you to think clearly and then at least attempt to give clear verbal form to those thoughts. You will avoid looking even more foolish that way.
Thanks!
March 4th, 2006 at 6:48 pm#67, Dear William, in re: your “1) The Bush administration cause a hurricane.”
That’s a poor beginning. Did anyone, at any time, make that claim? I didn’t see it. You should lead off with your good material. Unless you don’t have any good material.
OK, and your number 6 is really interesting, to wit: “6) Bush knew the levys had broken and headed for the hills while the city’s busses were being flooded, leaving the populace without means of evacuation. Meanwhile he got in front a camera and began a series of curses that would make a sailor blush with shame.”
This at least seems to assume that Bush was in New Orleans, or posits that that is what we “liberal elite” types are saying. Downright weird. Where was that claimed. Now then, this:
“Meanwhile he got in front a camera and began a series of curses that would make a sailor blush with shame.”
I hate to use foul language indiscriminately, but sometimes there is no choice: what the /fuck/ are you referring to, sir? Again, your writing is so poor that it obscures at least 92% of what you might be trying to say. Are you saying that this is — again — what we “liberal elite” have accused GWB of doing? I don’t recall seeing this anywhere. Just plain weird.
I’d have more respect for the fine neo-con tradition of “just making shit up” if you guys would at least make up GOOD SHIT. Or at the least, SEMI-LITERATE shit. C’mon. You’re not even trying!!
March 4th, 2006 at 6:56 pmSire, William
I wasn’t speaking of the typo…we all make them. It was the content and confusion.
Glad you’re here exposing the liberal left.
Another great American.
Another proud student of the Limbaugh Institute
Has Rush and Sean confused you a bit?
Don’t have the time to attempt to de-program you.
March 4th, 2006 at 10:13 pmI looked and looked ALL over TP but couldn’t find the “clarification” from the Associated Press re: the “topping” of the levees vs. the “breeching” of the levees. Could it be because, Bush wouldn’t look as bad as TP would paint him?? (Anticipated “clever” response from the tripe twillers here, “Bush couldn’t look any more bad…”)
March 5th, 2006 at 3:07 pm“1) The Bush administration cause a hurricane.”
Well being that I Invented the technology called HAARP, and they have increased funding for it
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj040501.html
http://www.rense.com/general44/haarp.htm
http://www.mediarare.com/haarp.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=haarp+funding&btnG=Google+Search
and defunded CO2 emmissions programs causing Global Warming to continue to rise, I say yes. HE CAUSED THE HURRICANE, OK. I know for a fact that HAARP can cause Weather changes. I know, I did it, so screw you.
“2) Bush knew then did nothing because he wanted black people and democratic voters to die.”
That is evidenciary on its face.
“3) For five consecutive years prior to the hurricane which he and his administration caused Bush alocated funds for levy improvements, more than any other president”
Even the Germans know that the money was only being “budgeted” for the levees.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/31/222419/214
“In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: “It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.”
So don’t say “SENT money”, when all the traitor-in-chief did was “BUDGET” money, that he then stole back, like everything else he has ever done.
“4) Bush made the democratic elected representatives, under a democratic governor and mayor, spend the funds dedicated for those levys, which he no longer had control over, on a bridge in Alaska.”
See above, and screw your bridge in Alaska to no where, even though it will help those dealing with my HAARP project.
I can’t wait till we hang THE LYING, TRAITOR OCCUPYING 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. by the neck in the WHITEHOUSE PORTICO, just like MUSSOLINI, for all to SPIT ON.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:25 amIt would help people understand the situation if someone would interview a few victims that survived katrina and have them explain the passages and transformation that they’ve gone through! Have them tell explain how their lives may have changed for the better not just for the worst and what main view that has changed (if any) by expierancing that trauma.
June 1st, 2006 at 8:26 amIt would help people understand the situation if someone would interview a few victims that survived katrina and have them explain the passages and transformation that they’ve gone through! Have them tell explain how their lives may have changed for the better not just for the worst and what main view that has changed (if any) by expierancing that trauma.
June 1st, 2006 at 8:26 amWHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS
January 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pm