The Education of the President: Bush On Pakistan
The Education of the President: Bush On Pakistan
It was only a matter of time. While speaking in India prior to departing for Pakistan, Bush revealed his lack of familiarity with South Asia:
“I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India and a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world,†the president added.
Later, White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters that Bush meant to say Pakistan would be a force for freedom and moderation in the Muslim world. Pakistan is not an Arab country.
Bush’s knowledge of Pakistan has advanced, however, over the years. In 2000, while campaigning for president Bush could not identify Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf by name:
QUESTION: Can you name the general who is in charge of Pakistan?
BUSH: Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?
QUESTION: No, it’s four questions of four leaders in four hot spots.
BUSH: The new Pakistani general, he’s just been elected–not elected, this guy just took over office. It appears this guy is going to bring stability to the country, and I think that’s good news for the Subcontinent.
QUESTION: Can you name him?
BUSH: General. I can’t name the general. General.
In the global war on terror, Bush needs to win the support of countries like Pakistan. The first step is to learn something about them.
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Bush sets an example for all of the kool-aid drinking righties. They don’t know anything about the world around them other than we need to kill the brown people.
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:51 pmGreat God Almighty, it’s nice to have a complete pinhead as the “leader” of the World’s Remaining Superpower(TM) .
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:51 pmHe got 25% right, sounds like his approval numbers…
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmMaybe someones jamming his audio implant and he’s having to wing it…
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm#2: Not only a pinhead but probably the most hated person on the earth.
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm…or his own brain.
“Look its Karl Rove, Bush’s Brain. I expected a much smaller man.” – Triumph
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:58 pmSo where is Dr. Khan these days? http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Pakistan/AQKhan.html
March 3rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmWHAT A COMPLETE IDIOT BUSH IS ….Bet He can name the Simpsons though
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmIs it true that Bush did not know that there were three competing religions within Iraq when he invaded?
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmHe did too read the half-page briefing paper on Pakistan. And he studied it intensely for at least 30 seconds before his nap.
How dare you suggest otherwise!
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:06 pmI hope Musharaf reads this article in Pakistan and realises Bush has been using him
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:09 pmThe Simpsons is to high brow for Bush. He would not get the humor, so I think it unlikely that he watches.
Besides, thats the hour he makes his plans for world domination.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pmImagine not being able to remember the Dictator America installed WOW
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pmWhen someone stole Bush’s library he must have been heartbroken. He hadn’t finished coloring the pictures in it.
This is tragic. King George has a knack for making all Americans look as stupid as he in the eyes of the world.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:11 pmPres. Bush is now and has all along been disengaged, disinterested, and distant from this world. Details bore him. He is clearly a man with neither the desire nor the skills to lead the nation. He depends solely on his advisors to do all his thinking and decision making. Obvioulsy, these advisors have led the man down a path he himself cannot defend. Karl Rove can’t possibly prop this clown up for another few years, can he? Rove will have a tough job pushing the GOP agenda in 2006-2008: death, debt, corruption, war, New Orleans, DeLay, domestic spying, Abramoff, Cheney, Cunningham, etc.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:11 pmBush thinks he can’t make a mistake, cuz he’s the ‘Presnut’…”If the President does it, it’s not against the Law”….a quote from nixon.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:13 pmI would guess that the rest of the world’s patience is wearing quite thin and very soon they will be holding us (the American public) accountable for not running this megalomaniac imbecile out of office.
It’s time we grab our pitchforks and torches & march on our Whitehouse. We need to salvage what’s left of this country (and its reputation). Hopefully, it’s not already too late.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:18 pmSenile Dementia or Stupid your VOTE
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:19 pmDemocratic? Is Musaref a general? I guess Iraq was democratic under Saddam, they voted for him.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:19 pmWhat he should learn is exactly where in Pakistan Osama is right now.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmWhat is truly sad is I would bet a large percentage of the American people wouldn’t know that Pakistanis aren’t Arabs .
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:20 pm” I guess Iraq was democratic under Saddam, they voted for him.” Well, 49.9 % of americans voted for Bush, so yes, Iraq was democratic.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmRoger, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmArab, Muslim, hey, to Bush they’re all the same. And if they don’t like it, Bush will have them bombed.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:22 pmSymptoms at the early stage include the following:
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:23 pm1/Forgetting recent events (distant memories also fade as the disease progresses)
2/Experiencing difficulty in reasoning, calculation, and accepting new things
3/Becoming confused over time, place and direction
4/Impaired judgment
5/Changes in personality
6/Becoming passive and losing initiative
Must be related to Prince Philip
ha ha
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:25 pmGeorge Bush:
- No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as
patriots. This is one nation under God.”
#18 – #Senile Dementia or Stupid your VOTE
I vote Uncaring Arrogant Self-Centered Aristocratic Asshole!
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:26 pmWasn’t numbnuts talking the other day about evil doers and freedom haters causing trouble in Afghanistan coming from that hotbed of Evil, Pakistan? Hmm, kind of like forgetting that the UAE was an Arab country?
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmplease please send some more stupid bush remarks
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmThe plot gets worse ha ha read these
George Dubya Bush
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:29 pm-”Education is not my top priority”
-”The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country.”
-”I think we agree, the past is over.”
-”We’re going to have the best-educated American people in the world.”
-”The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. I mean in this century’s history. But we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century.”
-”It isn’t pollution that’s harming the environment. It’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.”
-”For NASA, space is still a high priority.”
“People don’t need to worry about security. This deal wouldn’t go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America.” —George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:29 pm“He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had declared, you are a state sponsor of terror.”
—George W. Bush, on Saddam Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:32 pmI love the BBC. I hope Georgie gives them more interviews! Idiot.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:32 pm“Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?”
-2001 Washington TV/Radio Correspondents dinner
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:37 pmGood Lord, are you people really still pointing to 2000??? This is like the kid who thinks fart jokes are still funny in college.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:39 pmIT’S THE PRESIDENT, STUPID! – BUSH QUOTES
http://www.lifeisajoke.com/politics23_html.htm
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:39 pmI’d like to see a reporter ask Bush something more fundamental:
State the Ten Commandments
How many do you think he would be able to recall without assistance/preparation from his aides?
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:39 pm“For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It’s just unacceptable. And we’re going to do something about it.” -George W. Bush, May 14
“There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.” -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001
“But I also made it clear to (Vladimir Putin) that it’s important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe.” -George W. Bush, May 1, 2001
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:41 pmSeth II
No statute of limitations on the shaming of America
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:43 pmSo when Chimp comments on the running of US ports by an Arab country, he’s plainly clueless.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 pm“This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We’re making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end.” -George W. Bush, April 10, 2001
OH MY GOD AND AMERICA VOTED HIM AS PRESIDENT DID THEY THINK THE ELECTIONS WAS A COMEDY VERSION OF AMERICAN IDOL
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:46 pmBush reveals his racist and elitist thinking, if they are brown skinned and Muslin, they must be “ay-rabs”.
How wonderful it is to have such a dangerous CLOWN representig us to the world. No wonder people everywhere hate us!
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:47 pm#42 Thats not true everybody does not hate you ,I was in a cave in turkey once where they have lived beneath ground for 5000 years and he did not know where America was …So I think thats an exaduration
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:50 pmI can name the Presdident of the US: President Dumber than a Sack of Hammers.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:53 pm[...] Read more Questions [...]
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmGerald: I guess not. That just validates those who still refer to the Clinton-Lewinski event as well. Fortunately, I’m above that.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:55 pm46# Clinton-Lewinski
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:58 pmAll Clinton said to lewinsji was to “Sack the Cook” the rest that followed was history …BUT HE HAD A BRAIN unlike bush ha ha ha ha what a loser and a great representative of America Bush Is
Seth II,
The republicans continue to this day to bring up Clinton stuff. So, what Bush did in 2000 is not relevant, but stuff Clinton did in 1995 is. Your arguement is weak.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmCommensurate is a difficult word and, hey, we all struggle with those every now and then. But President Bush stumbles when trying to use simple ones too. On December 18, 2002, Bush told some Washington reporters: “I think the American people–I hope the American–I don’t think, let me–I hope the American people trust me.” Here it appears Bush forgot the meaning of “think,” then the meaning of “hope,” then the meaning of both words before finally settling on the second. “Declining memory, especially short-term memory,” according to ADI, “is the most common early symptom of dementia.”
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmhttp://kevincassell.com/PERSON/POLITICS/left/bush.htm
He may not know the names of the leaders, but he’d probably be able to name all the characters from his favorite shows on cartoon network.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmPerhaps that’s a demographic they need to explore.
Lower the voting age to appeal to the youth.
Bush’s speeches will finally make sense to somebody.
The “leader of the free world” is a clueless rube. How insulting to Pakistanis. How humiliating for Americans. How funny it would actually be if this reckless, imperious, spoiled little prince wasn’t so dangerous.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmhttp://www.bravotv.com/Viral_Videos/Videos/
When Bush was asked what tribal “sovereignty” means, he didn’t know that either.
Reasons not to go to Yale – watch Bush.
HHHmmm, what exactly does he know?
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmI just thought reagan was like bush too.. Maybe Republicans deliberately choose idiots as to appeal to an idiot nation
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmI just noticed CNN version is modified http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/03/bush.pakistan.fri/index.html
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:27 pm52# thats the best yet ….LMAO
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmDid anyone catch his statements while in India regarding job outsourcing?
“It’s … important to remember that when someone loses a job it’s an incredibly difficult period for the worker and their families,” Bush said in a speech in New Delhi.
Some people believe the answer to this problem is to wall off our economy from the world through protectionist policies. I strongly disagree.”
“The United States will not give into the protectionists and lose these opportunities,” Bush said.
So remember, kids…if you lose your job due to outsourcing, it is for the greater good of your country.
Nothing like a patriotic kick in the behind.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 pm#30
Ewwww. Further proof that the spirit of Dan Quayle in the White House is alive and kicking.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmhttp://windowsmedia.universalpictures.com/bravo/Outrageous_Ep1_Bush_Sovereign.wmv
BRIILIANT HA HA HA
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmI think the year 2006 is recent enough, eh ReichWingNuts? This is your president, public fool and arrogant asshole.
“You took an oath to defend our flag and our freedom, and you kept that oath underseas and under fire.”
—George W. Bush, addressing war veterans, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2006
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmThis is the boy who would be king, and he’s making us look bad all over the world.
“[I]t’s a myth to think I don’t know what’s going on. It’s a myth to think that I’m not aware that there’s opinions that don’t agree with mine, because I’m fully aware of that.”
—George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Pa., Dec. 12, 2005
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pm#48
Yeah…and a few have even thrown in FDR for good measure!
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:42 pmSpudge #48:
Both arguments are weak. That’s my entire point. Thanks for reiterating it.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pmI just hope nobody in here complains about Republicans bringing up the Lewinski event anymore. That would be, sing it along with me:
H-Y-PEEEE O-C-RRRRR I-i-I-S-Y!
Okay, I had to fudge the tempo a little, but I hope you get it.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmTobey Tall, the sovereign bit is something even Monty Python couldn’t come up with. To make this clearer for those 30 some percent that think Bush is great – Doesn’t yous knows a fools whens yous sees one?
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmBy far, this is most intellectually challenged inhabitant of the White House in our country’s history. I don’t even want to hear anything more about, well, you know, he’s not book smart, but he’s a shrewd politician….
Without Karl Rove and a mainstream media that acts like his bib, preventing his endless succession of disasters from seeping into the public consciousness, George W. Bush wouldn’t been through long ago. Every prior business venture undertaken by George was an abject failure; his presidency is no different.
He’s not even a lovable loser. Just a loser.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmSeth – “I just hope nobody in here complains about Republicans bringing up the Lewinski event anymore. That would be, sing it along with me:
H-Y-PEEEE O-C-RRRRR I-i-I-S-Y!”
That Lewinski thing was a $$#$%$% blow job. Bush’s errors in judgement do a bit more damage that a little jism on a dress. Bringing up Lewinsky is pointless. Bringing up Bush’s inability to speak coherently is very much a topic to keep bringing to the forefront.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:57 pmClinton lied about having sex. Stupid, but not deadly. Bush lies about damned near everything and invades countries based on the lies. Tens of thousands die, including our own guys.
HUGE difference.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmI just hope nobody in here complains about Republicans bringing up the Lewinski event anymore.
Comment by Seth II — March 3, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
The thread is about Pres. Bush wrongly referring to Pakistan as an Arab country. The 2000 quote is only a reference to show Pres Bush’s knowledge on Pakistan has only improved marginally.
You did know Pakistan is not an Arab country, didn’t you?
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmWhen Bush makes a gaffe, even I laugh at it. But bringing up that the Governor of Texas (at the time) knew some details of the change of power in Pakistan but couldn’t remember Musharraf’s name, and implying that that event has any bearing SIX YEARS LATER is even more asinine than mentioning Lewinski. And the former was the main point of this editorial.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmThis thread INFERRED that President Bush thought that Pakistan was an Arab country. He may have misspoken. Humans do that sometimes. Honest ones correct themselves when noticed, which McClellan handled. Even Bush’s supporters don’t think he’s superhuman, but y’all seem to think he SHOULD be.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm“When Bush makes a gaffe, even I laugh at it. Seth II”
You must laugh a lot sweetie.
“But bringing up that the Governor of Texas (at the time) knew some details of the change of power in Pakistan but couldn’t remember Musharraf’s name, and implying that that event has any bearing SIX YEARS LATER is even more asinine than mentioning Lewinski. And the former was the main point of this editorial. Comment by Seth II”
Oh pumpkin, that’s not even the point or the specifics of the thread. But the partisan brain is functionally disabled, and can’t process new information. So I forgive you for not being about to stay on topic, or even recognize basic points of reading comprehension. It seems to be a common problem of the partisan brain.
Pakistani are of Indus Valley origin, not Arab origin. The point is Bush thought they were arab, because they were muslim. That would be like thinking that all Christians are Jewish. It’s just silly.
I forgive you sweetie. You might try reading the full context and details of an argument before you become a partisan arguing person though. These kinds of off topic criticisms on your part just make you look silly, and ignorant pumpkin.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 pm“This thread INFERRED that President Bush thought that Pakistan was an Arab country. He may have misspoken. Humans do that sometimes. Seth II”
Yeah, sort of like when Dan Quayle said he wished he’d paid more attention in ‘Latin Class’ so he’d better be able to communicate in ‘Latin America’. Is that the kind of misspoken situation you were referring to?
Bush seems to do that a lot. A non-partisan might come to believe that he’s just ignorant, uncurious and perhaps a little slow. But partisan brains like yours always seem to expect liberals to speak and act flawlessly (for instance you expected that from Clinton on the Lewinsky case), yet you seem to hold no accountability for your own.
But I forgive you pumpkin. The partisan brain makes people act and say things irrationally – just like you do. I’m sure you’re a loyal american, and a decent person, and just because you defend stupidity, ignorance and inept leaders doesn’t make you a bad person sweetie.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:21 pmSo Seth II,
Are you then saying that your friend Mighty Aphrodite who keeps bringing up multi-decade old events in Kennedy’s past is just being an irrelevant hack? Well that much we can agree on sweetie. We both agree that republican trolls who constantly bring up Clinton, Kennedy, Carter and lie about the past events for those leaders are partisan hacks. You heard it here mighty aphrodite – your fellow republican partisans think you’re a hack.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm(…)and implying that that event has any bearing SIX YEARS LATER is even more asinine than mentioning Lewinski. And the former was the main point of this editorial.
Comment by Seth II — March 3, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
It was not an implication, because it has no bearing. It was a reference to show Pres Bush’s knowledge about Pakistan is still fuzzy.
This thread INFERRED that President Bush thought that Pakistan was an Arab country. He may have misspoken.
Comment by Seth II — March 3, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
Ah, the signature of the true believer. Pres Bush talked about Pakistan being a force “a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world”. There was no reason to mention that country in such a context he didn’t think it was, indeed, an Arab country.
Even Bush’s supporters don’t think he’s superhuman, but y’all seem to think he SHOULD be.
Comment by Seth II — March 3, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
He’s not superhuman?!?! Really!?!? What am I going to tell my children now??
/sarcasm off
Pres Bush is expected to (at least) know the basics -like Pakistan is not an Arab country.
You did know Arabic is not the official language in Pakistan, didn’t you?
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmBush lost a heckuva lot of brain cells during his drug and alcohol days — those cells were obviously limited from the start and do we believe that he is sober these days?
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmArab Shmarab
Muslim Shmuslim
hossin feffer corporated.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmFigures Laverne and Shirley to pull the rabbit out of the hat!
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmClinton got bj from a consenting female. Bush bf’d entire nations of men, women and children, the majority of which did not consent. About a third of the US seems to like it, though.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmOh RightPunch, sweetroll, I’d be so much more cautious about throwing accusations of “partisan brain” if I were you. After I pointed out how you either ignorantly misunderstood or blatantly misrepresented that FDIC report in the Family Income thread last week, there is little question that your brain SPINS much more easily than mine, if in the opposite direction.
So you might want to save all the effort you waste on forgiveness and apply it towards inward reflection. Your projection of your own “partisan brain” syndrome on to others is not even as far along as the first stage of acceptance: denial. Such a long way to go…what a pity.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmJust out of curiosity waht would Pakastanis be considered. Indian? Persian? Sikh?
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pmAs hard as it is to fathom. Could it be that bush is not a retard he just plays one on tv? Most experts are befuddled by his nuclear agreement with India. They say it will blow the non-proliferation agreement. But, if you consider what could be his true goal — an all out universal arms race. he comes across as quite shrewd. Imagine all the profits that all the arms makers will make. And, to them, so what if the world is destroyed in a nuclear war. That will just make jesus come back (a strategy originated by pat robertson).
March 03, 2006
A Guantanamo prisoner talks to the BBC
Your disgusting listen to this bastards
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ radio4/ today/ listenagain/ ram/ today4_guantanamo_20060303.ram
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today4_guantanamo_20060303.ram heres that link again ………DISGUSTING
or here http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:48 pm#69
Classic.
So these “gaffes” as you call them are, to you, nothing more than a chance for a few seconds of comic relief…a quick break from the real world. Gee…Bush seems to have made quite a few of these “gaffes” during his 2 terms as president. Screwing up something so freaking simple as the “Fool me once…” saying shows there is something wrong.
Slate.com has a good selection of these “gaffes,” otherwise known as Bushisms. Here are a few:
“I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.”
“Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.”
“We’ll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers.”
“It’s clearly a budget. It’s got a lot of numbers in it.”
“I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.”
And, finally…
“I do know I’m ready for the job [the presidency].
And if not, that’s just the way it goes.”
Seth, I hope you get a few laughs out of these. God knows we need some comic relief from this presidency. But many people see something a bit more serious. If there were just a few of these “gaffes” over the past 5+ years, it would be different. But there have literally been hundreds. Frankly I don’t believe that most of these “gaffes” are simply a case of Bush mis-speaking. I think it is a reflection of his lack of intelligence.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmSeth, if you were a CEO would you hire a guy that misspoke as much as Bush does? You can use the “he’s only human” excuse all you like but people in the real world that have as much difficulty with speach don’t make it much past the mail room.
“Honest ones correct themselves when noticed” Gee, seems like Bush is way behind on all the corrections he needs to make in order for him to be considered an honest human.
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmSeth II,
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmWelcome to Earth. George Bush is a F*CKING moron. Quit making a fool of yourself.
(And what happened to Seth I? Did it hit a bagel iceberg and sink?)
WC,
Here’s a good one:
“I’m a war president”
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm#81 listen to 81 everybody links works 82 DIGUSTING
March 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmWC “Frankly I don’t believe that most of these “gaffes†are simply a case of Bush mis-speaking. I think it is a reflection of his lack of intelligence.”
This is entirely the point. I mis-speak more often than I’d like to admit, but when I do I know it right away and correct myself. I feel it comes from a habit of not thinking before speaking or not knowing the subject well enough. Quite often, Bush pauses which indicates that he is thinking before speaking, yet he still fumbles about. The sovereign example given in #58 is a great example of this. I conclude then that he doesn’t know the subject. This is unacceptable for anyone in such an office as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
“He’s only human.” Yeah, he’s only a human that shouldn’t be where he is.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm“Rove will have a tough job pushing the GOP agenda in 2006-2008: death, debt, corruption, war, New Orleans, DeLay, domestic spying, Abramoff, Cheney, Cunningham, etc.” –Above the Clouds
Where Rove fails, DIEBOLD will fill in the gap, plus 2%.
In case you’ve been sleeping, 29 states have NO PAPER TRAIL and election fraud is NOT investigated. We caught them stealing the 2004 election, but the Justice Dept. refuses to involve itself in presidential felonies unrelated to pornography.
“Just out of curiosity what would Pakistanis be considered. Indian? Persian? Sikh?”
Western Asian Muslims, mostly. They are not Indian or Persian or Sikh, though the partition divided the Sikh region.
“Ethnic groups: Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun (Pathan), Baloch, Muhajir (immigrants from India at the time of partition and their descendants)
Religions: Muslim 97% (Sunni 77%, Shi’a 20%), Christian, Hindu, and other 3%
Languages: Punjabi 48%, Sindhi 12%, Siraiki (a Punjabi variant) 10%, Pashtu 8%, Urdu (official) 8%, Balochi 3%, Hindko 2%, Brahui 1%, English (official and lingua franca of Pakistani elite and most government ministries), Burushaski, and other 8%
Literacy: definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 48.7%
male: 61.7%
female: 35.2% (2004 est.)”
(CIA factbook)
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmWhile millions underestimate Bush and his neoconservative, wealthy, powerful base, Bush is achieving his ambitions. Bush and his base probably enjoy the name-calling – it helps detract from reality in accordance with his neoconservative ‘Noble Lie’ philosophy – and it’s other people who are doing the work for him.
Bush is no chimp!
Bush and the neoconservative misuse of the ‘Noble Lie’ (deceive/lie/smear/coerce/bribe etc.) has been very effective at encouraging a relatively free-thinking society to implement irrational policies. If Bush can ensure all partisans are ‘fearing’ instead of ‘thinking’, neoconservatives can muster enough support and loyalty for almost anything they want. What do the neoconservatives want? war in Iran as part of their geopolitical agenda for American world political and economic domination.
Bush is very clever indeed – he understands he can garner further political support by converging neoconservative philosophies with evangelical philosophies (held by millions of Americans). Evangelists believe in ‘the Rapture’ – basically the Rapture is a belief-based philosophy that states;
1.there is a terrible catastrophe of biblical proportion
2.those who believe in Christ will be taken straight to heaven and avoid
3.7 years of ‘Great Tribulation’ (suffering) under the rule of the AntiChrist
4.then follows a year-long Day of the Lord
5.concluding with the Return of Christ.
http://www.thercg.org/books/gpp.html?gclid=CNvv1dDPw4MCFRlXEAod0APCEQ
Bush understands #1 is a converging philosophy especially as his catastrophic war is in the middle-east (holy lands).
There are many millions of Americans who want, for very different reasons, outright war in the entire middle-east.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stated “The Lord is going to come on time – if we just wait”.
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_247155007.html
Was this a personal belief or a political agenda to garner support? Either way it doesn’t matter, the war will be the same.
I could argue at this point about what may happen when the war in Iran begins but there are many websites out there that deal with this. One point of interest is the Russian and Chinese armed forces have begun their first joint military exercises.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4161660.stm
Is Bush a chimp? Is Bush dumb? No – geopolitically, everything is going exactly according to plan.
I believe only mass (millions of people) and sustained demonstrations of this size can ultimately get rid of him.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pm“Screwing up something so freaking simple as the “Fool me once…†saying shows there is something wrong.”
Wow, you really don’t get his sarcasm. Sure, he’s a mental midget on an epic scale. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t understand HOW TO SLAP PEOPLE IN THE FACE FOR LISTENING TO HIM LIE TO THEM.
He could have been the world’s greatest BIBLE SALESMAN in history, after St. Paul. Instead, he supplies the grinning death mask on the face of Halliburton fascism.
His ‘fool me twice’ change was BECAUSE HE CANNOT AND WILL NOT SAY ’shame on me.’ It’s not because he couldn’t remember the phrase. It’s because this is a compulsive guy who has to have his servants turn the water taps on and off three times before he can enter the comode. He’s a nutbag.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 pm“I believe only mass (millions of people) and sustained demonstrations of this size can ultimately get rid of him.” –British Gary
INCORRECT. The only thing that will remove him is REGAINING LEGAL ELECTIONS at the state level. This is one big way in which the US is different than the UK.
We need to retake the House of Representatives, which was stolen and is being stolen by VOTE-FRAUD (and illegal redistricting).
We will probably FAIL in 2006, in which case we would have to weather some real bad storms and keep working to rehabilitate the states without losing faith in our task.
I don’t believe Bush will leave office voluntarily, either in 2006 or 2008. But the path to freedom remains the same: not mass protests, which are great in their own way, but MASSIVE STATE DEMOCRACY FORCING illegal actors and illegal voting OUT OF THE STATES.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:31 pm“We will probably FAIL in 2006,”
Because of the vote-fraud. We HAVE the majority, and have throughout this entire debacle.
• If they had the majority, they wouldn’t have to steal elections.
• If they had the truth on their side, they wouldn’t have to lie.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:33 pmUnfortunately waiting for corrupt elections is not the answer you all know the result
The only answer is mass demonstrations of millions of people 24/7 and NOW before its too late for mankind
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmeven the Indians and now Pakistanies are showing America how to acheive mass demonstrations without America joining its its goodbye all
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:38 pm“Bush and the neoconservative misuse of the ‘Noble Lie’ (deceive/lie/smear/coerce/bribe etc.) has been very effective at encouraging a relatively free-thinking society to implement irrational policies.”
I don’t agree with that, either. They have been very effective at illegally packing the House, and killing Sen. Paul Wellstone, as well as 3,000 people on Nine-eleven. That’s not ‘encouraging,’ and it isn’t a result of their rhetoric.
IT’S A RESULT OF THEIR COERCION.
This is not, and has never been, a legal government. It’s a coup.
Their attempt to take over the country’s citizens FAILED back in 2003-4. There simply aren’t enough racists left in the country to bully us into the social side of fascism, and Bush himself is not charismatic enough by more than half.
It’s mostly a con, and a bank robbery. Don’t buy their hype that they have the people on their side — only by lying did they EVER have a majority.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:40 pmhas the Goverment managed to set in Apathy in the people …I SAY YES
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pm“even the Indians and now Pakistanies are showing America how to acheive mass demonstrations” — Tobey Tall
Mass demonstrations in India are a weekly event.
Mass demos in the US are:
1) Not covered by corporate press, or covered and lied about.
2) Checked by the power of our technology. Putting more than 200,000-500,000 in DC would trigger a police repression event. Though some leftists love bloodbaths, count most of us out.
3) Archaic, when the main problem is state-level vote-fraud. Act locally. Put pressure on your local vote registrar, on your SecState, and on the rest of the state government. DRIVE DIEBOLDERS OUT.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmIf they really had the majority they wouldn’t get their lackeys Harris and Blackwell to illegally disenfranchise about 350,000 voters in Fla, 2000 and Ohio, 2004, in order to win in those two battleground states. They did this by various schemes to purge the rolls of eligible mostly democratic voters before the election.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:46 pm“has the Goverment managed to set in Apathy in the people …I SAY YES”
NONSENSE. Name a time when the American population wasn’t apathetic.
I’ll wait.
OK, you couldn’t. So blaming that on Bushoviks is just helping your enemy.
Americans, and people in general, are confronted with a technological curve that is VERTICAL. And we are well fed.
Beyond that, I recommend that you consider WHY the Bushoviks have damaged the economy, why that was Job #1 when they took power. Real income has dropped by almost TEN PERCENT.
The main reason is to force people to work harder, which cuts the ability to do political work, or to attend to larger global issues.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:48 pm#88
I mis-speak more often than I’d like to admit, but when I do I know it right away and correct myself. I feel it comes from a habit of not thinking before speaking or not knowing the subject well enough.
Bob,
I agree wholeheartedly (not about you mis-speaking..ha ha). I do it as well…many people do. But in my case it is the same as you are saying, in that I speak before I think about it and thus am guilty of using poorly selected words.
With most people — politicians especially — you can at least see a depth of intelligence by the way they talk. And I’m not just referring to the subjects they talk about, but the depth of knowledge about the subjects. Bottom line, Bush just ain’t got it. Anyone who can listen to him speak unscripted and say that he’s intelligent is a fool. And reading from a prepared speech doesn’t count…that only shows the intelligence of the speechwriter.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:48 pmThe numbers are;
57000 voters in Fla 2000
308000 voters Ohio 2004
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmCliff, on top of that, we CAUGHT Triad Systems in 2004, changing out circuit boards in counting computers all over Ohio, and supplying false numbers to be reported in the recount.
We paid $125,000 for a recount which they refused to give us. And their main vote-fraud company committed a string of FELONIES which should have triggered a massive state and federal inquest.
But you know ‘who’ has his finger on the scales of justice.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:50 pmwell shit the apathy in America is beyond a joke now I really hope Iran strikes first …STUFF THIS ….Iran hitting first is the only hope
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:51 pm#96, Paul in LA, I mentioned coercion in brackets at the top of my post. Many actions are needed but the most powerful are huge peaceful demonstrations, if they are sustained, MSM will cover them. How are you going to remove Diebolds? I thought states were legislating their use and the use of identity cards – in reality what you want is not happening.
My concern is if you fail in 06 there will be a middle-east draft in place: neocons and evangelists all want this (but not for themselves).
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:55 pmTobey, you must be 16.
Iran won’t have nuclear weapons for AT LEAST TEN YEARS.
Maybe what you said was an attempt at humor. Desperation is not cute.
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:57 pmAnd the Diebold company and the republican controled state of alaska are fighting a string of lawsuits over the 2004 election, including one that mirrors the first bsallet for the new house majority lrader, to wit; more votes that voters…..makes you wonder..,
March 3rd, 2006 at 5:59 pm“Many actions are needed but the most powerful are huge peaceful demonstrations”
INCORRECT. When there is a SPECIFIC problem, fixing THAT is the most powerful. Mass protests are only useful, in the way you describe, WHEN WE CONTROL THE HOUSE. Check your history.
“How are you going to remove Diebolds?”
By outing them, and removing the illegal actors who put them in place.
http://www.bradblog.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
“I thought states were legislating their use and the use of identity cards – in reality what you want is not happening.”
The systems violate State constitutions in every case. As for ‘identity cards,’ no, these are not in use.
“My concern is if you fail in 06 there will be a middle-east draft in place: neocons and evangelists all want this (but not for themselves).”
There will not be a draft. The Bushoviks don’t have the power for that. They are running out of gas right before your eyes.
IF we can retake the House, there will be an impeachment. There may be a bill filed, even without that — from Rhode Island (www.carlsheeler.com), but we need the House before anything can really happen to change things. Mass protests will take place, but their main purpose is feeding the grassroots.
Large protests empower people and get the information out. In the past, that’s what we had. Now we have abundant information sources, so mass protests are archaic in that regard. THEY WILL NOT, in themeselves, REMOVE A COUP.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:04 pm106# Just cause America has Nuclear weapons i was thinking nerve gas prfereably and lots of it …even thailand has a 20 ton stockpile of nerve gas.. for what i dont know
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:10 pmwait till 18th march we in london will show you a 2 million people march ….also to coincide with mass demonstrations in Iraq and the rest of the world
mass demonstrations do work GHANDI
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:13 pmyou americans might as well sit back and roll over .stoopid
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:14 pm“mass demonstrations do work GHANDI” –Tobey Tall
Gandhi is not an applicable example, since the US is not occupied by a foreign invader.
And it is worth remembering that Gandhi’s political success was followed by a BLOODY civil war which killed something like a half million people (and later, by another bloody civil war, and Pak military repression, that killed three million or so).
“Impact and Aftermath of Partition
“Leave India to God. If that is too much, then leave her to anarchy.” –Gandhi, May 1942
“The partition of India left both India and Pakistan devastated. The process of partition had claimed many lives in the riots. Many others were raped and looted. Women, especially, were used as instruments of power by the Hindus and the Muslims; “ghost trains” full of severed breasts of women would arrive in each of the newly-born countries from across the borders.
“15 million refugees poured across the borders to regions completely foreign to them, for though they were Hindu or Muslim, their identity had been embedded in the regions where there ancestors were from. Not only was the country divided, but so were the provinces of Punjab and Bengal, divisions which caused catastrophic riots and claimed the lives of Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs alike.”
http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/Part.html
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:20 pmBob – #84:
Seth, if you were a CEO would you hire a guy that misspoke as much as Bush does?
I’d hire Bush before Clinton. Clinton had “sexual harrassment” written all over him when he first ran in ‘92. I was a niave 18 year old at the time and even I could sense it like a fart in an elevator.
My point in derailing to Clinton? Maybe “hiring” isn’t the best analogy to use .
Laverne and Shirley – #85:
(And what happened to Seth I? Did it hit a bagel iceberg and sink?)
I was posting under “Seth” last week, but upon perusing some older threads realized that there was a liberal Seth posting here before I came along. As a gracious guest, I took the next cardinal value to avoid any confusion.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:22 pm“106# Just cause America has Nuclear weapons i was thinking nerve gas prfereably and lots of it …even thailand has a 20 ton stockpile of nerve gas.. for what i dont know” — Tobey Tall
20 tons of nerve gas turns into 20 tons of junk in just a few years. These materials have to continually reproduced to retain any tactical use.
If you are worried about Iranian nerve gas, you should be aware that there is no record of Iran using nerve gas on civilians.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:23 pm“You americans might as well sit back and roll over .stoopid” –Tobey Tall
How many protests have there been in the US since this started? How would you know?
• 500,000 in NYC in Fall 2004
In Los Angeles, there have been at least ten major protests of 10,000 persons or more. Did any of them get covered in the press? NOPE, not without major revisionism in the participation numbers.
I protest twice a week, going on five years now, and I protested the Vietnam (et al) genocide back when I was a small fry like you. You want to wear the brass balls of protest, g’head. But you might want to lift some weights, or something. They’re heavy.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:28 pm“I’d hire Bush before Clinton. I was a niave 18 year old at the time and even I could sense it like a fart in an elevator. Seth II”
I can see little has changed pumpkin.
Since you’ve already demostrated that you have compromised judgement, it is of little surprise you would choose Bush. You do realize that Bush bankrupted the only 3 companies he ever worked for don’t you? And that he was slapped by the SEC for insider trading – a far greater offense than the supposed whitewater one? If you’d hire Bush, it explains why you’d also vote for and continue to support him. Compromised judgement and a detachment from reality are clear signs of ‘partisan brain’ pumpkin. I forgive you.
“My point in derailing to Clinton? Maybe “hiring†isn’t the best analogy to use .Seth II”
Maybe the Clinton discussion isn’t really relevant other than the fact that ‘womanizing’ and hiding it appears to be the only bad trait the man had. Compare that to a man who seems to have no intellectual curiosity, and any skills other than smiling, making up pet names, giving sweetheart deals to companies that bribe him and his cronies, and looking quite vacant the whole time.
I personally find Clinton’s personal life a disappointment, but I find Bush’s professional life a much greater disappointment. The fact you’d hire someone for a professional role based on their private and not personal skills is a great example of how compromised the judgement of partisans is. But I forgive you pumpkin. Clearly you’re doing the best with the limited skills and judgement within your possession.
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:43 pmQUESTION: Can you name him?
BUSH: General. I can’t name the general. General.
“Um. Yeah … *heh* … You mean old ‘Khaki-pants’. My good buddy ‘Khaki-pants’. Yeah, that’s what I call him, because … uh … that’s my name for him, see … [crosstalk] … He did what? He’s got nucular weapons and he’s friends with the Taliban? Never heard of him … except on social occasions … a few times … and it was only for pictures…..”
Cheers,
March 3rd, 2006 at 6:52 pmoff topic, i’m sure…just popped in – hope one of you’s can help…
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:00 pmlistening to mike malloy – subbing for randi rhodes today on air america radio – he kept talking about a front page nytimes picture of bush checking out condi’s tush while they were in india/pakistan (?)…
anyone know of it, where to see it?
thanks
now, back to your regular programming…
Just remember that 60% of the electorate have an IQ below 60. That’s W’s intellectual base.
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:03 pmPaul in LA, thanks for the links. I agree if you can retake the House there will be an impeachment but that will not remove the administration.
It seems like there has been a movement for a long time to remove Diebolds – how successful have they been? It seems the answer is ‘not very’ if the systems violate State constitutions and are still in use. As for identity cards I was referring to;
http://www.thinkprogress.org/?tag=Electoral+Justice.
Again, things are not heading in the right direction.
Protests need to be coordinated as 10000 is nowhere near big enough and they are not happening often enough. The last thing I want to see on the news is fighting in the streets of America in some kind of ‘civil war’ if you lose in 06. We all lose if you lose in 06.
I don’t believe the repugs have the people of America on their side but with their Noble Lie ‘ethics’ they have enough to cause the damage already witnessed.
You wrote; “There will not be a draft. The Bushoviks don’t have the power for that. They are running out of gas right before your eyes.” Do you have proof of this?
I don’t buy into the repug hype but from this side of the pond they are going from strength to strength. Iran to face possible sanctions, oil contracts with Afghanistan, stealing of Iraq oil, Condi threats and snubs at Syria, more threats at N. Korea, China and Russia running joint military exercises for the first time……….its a long list of plans within plans coming to fruition.
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:05 pm#119, Katy, whats a ‘tush’? American colloquialism for what?
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:08 pm#122
I think in England it would be called a “bum”. (Butt)
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:16 pm#119 – off topic, i’m sure…just popped in – hope one of you’s can help… listening to mike malloy – subbing for randi rhodes today on air america radio – he kept talking about a front page nytimes picture of bush checking out condi’s tush while they were in india/pakistan (?)…
anyone know of it, where to see it?
So let me see if I can get this straight: 1) Bush is a back door man. 2) Bush swings, what?, both ways? Sometimes with Condi and sometimes with Mr. Gannon/Guckert?
Oh man! Not after lunch like this. Ewwww… I knew them elites were funny. But this is sick.
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 pmhullo, british gary – you mean you couldn’t guess what a “tush” is???
;-)
funny, i hardly ever use that word …not sure why i didn’t use “butt” either, wiscoduk, but that’s the one…
i’d sure love to see this pic…malloy later commented that bloggers were saying that it had been changed on the nytimes web page…
anyone seen it? i’ve searched the usual haunts, but no luck, even google…
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:33 pmj.c. – you think? i always figured gannon/guckert was rove and/or scotty’s type…
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:38 pmnah – w’s not even sexual, let alone bi-…
I personally find Clinton’s personal life a disappointment, but I find Bush’s professional life a much greater disappointment.
Bush has done far less with much more……
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmcheers WiscoDuk, katy, we call it ‘botty’ or ‘buns’. Never heard of tush before. I had a quick look around but I can’t find anything either. Pity.
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:48 pmBush praised Pakistan in India? Rove forgot to tell Bush that India and Pakistan are enemies > lol. Dubya is just a sock puppet leader who meets with foreign leaders if told to do so and calls them friends if told to do so! He has NO knowledge of the world or of its diverse cultures! He is a certified moron on prozac!!!
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:48 pmRightPunch, darlin’, I’m mighty surprised to find that you don’t give Bush more credit for pet names. After all, that’s your schtick!
And I see your broken record is STILL playing the forgiveness song. How very quaint. Don’t worry, it’s only playing in your head. I doubt anybody else hears it anymore.
I do have some hope that you might yet recognize your own partisan brain syndrome. You wrote an entire post without a single reference to it! That’s very good work. I don’t need any thanks for helping you recognize your condition. Seeing your progress is thanks enough. It will be a rough road, though. I’ll be here from time to time to help you along.
March 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pmThis is a test. Am I Banned?
March 3rd, 2006 at 8:18 pmWalt I do not believe you are banned, but I heard I-Right-I finally got banned > he deserves it! WORFEUS got told to limit his posts by Judd, so he decided to ban himself!
March 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmOnce again, Bush displays the classic symptoms of a long term drug addict… who is still trippin’!
March 3rd, 2006 at 8:34 pm“RightPunch, darlin’, I’m mighty surprised to find that you don’t give Bush more credit for pet names. After all, that’s your schtick! Seth II”
Sweetie, a term of endearment, isn’t a pet name. Those are two different things. But basic points of reasoning and rationality disappear when the partisan brain is engaged, so that always explains why we have to educate partisans on the most basic points of language and grammar. I forgive you though, perhaps you were just a product of a poor education system, or early religious indoctrination that prevented you from learning the basic skills of thinking for yourself or communicating reliably.
“And I see your broken record is STILL playing the forgiveness song. How very quaint. Don’t worry, it’s only playing in your head. I doubt anybody else hears it anymore. Seth II”
Sweetie, forgiveness is an ongoing thing, and you don’t have to accept my forgiveness in order for me to want to give it to you. You know I can forgive you unconditionally, even when you don’t deserve it. And I’m more than happy to do so pumpkin.
“I do have some hope that you might yet recognize your own partisan brain syndrome. You wrote an entire post without a single reference to it! That’s very good work. I don’t need any thanks for helping you recognize your condition. Seeing your progress is thanks enough. It will be a rough road, though. I’ll be here from time to time to help you along. Seth II”
My partisan brain? Oh sweetie, when you start presenting some facts for me to process, I’ll be happy to engage my brain. Your idea of presenting facts, is to bring up an unrelated incident from a different politician while avoiding the relevance of the situation we face today. See, I have no problems talking about Clinton, when it’s relevant to the story. But Clinton at least knew who the leader of Pakistan was, and that they weren’t Arab.
And since you have such a clear cut case of partisan brain, I forgive your inability to recognize, admit and prove to the world that you’re not just another partisan patsy. And I also forgive you for your baseless attacks on me, and my desire to show you compassion. I would guess that unconditional love, compassion and forgiveness are something you’re quite unaccustomed to, and attacking me for providing must be the only way you can cope with the event. I forgive you for that sweetie, I know it’s just your desperation to cling to your partisan hatred and fear that makes you do this. I love you anyway sweetie, even if you don’t yet know how to love yourself or those around you.
March 3rd, 2006 at 8:43 pmI personally find Clinton’s personal life a disappointment…
Comment by Clif — March 3, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
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Clinton’s personal life is no one elses business but his and Hillary’s.
Please stop relying on People magazine and the National Enquirer for your news.
March 3rd, 2006 at 8:50 pmI personally find Clinton’s personal life a disappointment, but I find Bush’s professional life a much greater disappointment.
Bush has done far less with much more……
Comment by Clif — March 3, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
March 3rd, 2006 at 9:02 pm#131 – Me,
March 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pm#132 – Jay Randal,
I had two posts rejected because of some kind of spam thing. Since both were in plain text, I decided to do a really bland test probe.
A Bush Quote- “There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.”-Washington D.C.; May 11, 2001
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 pmAlso- “We’ll be a great country where the fabrics are made up of groups and loving centers.”- Kalamazoo, Michigan; March 27, 2001
One of my “favorites”- “It’s very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America.”-Dakar, Senegal; July 8, 2003 Nice huh?
ok! f.y.i. – i found the photo i was searching for (119)…i had some help at crooks and liars’ comments…i sure hope i didn’t get anyone’s hopes up too much – it’s rather a let-down, i’ll admit, but here it is:
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17440&posts=1
malloy called it a “booty check” – hard to see a booty (there’s another one for you, british gary) under all that dress and wrap – but check out the glint in w’s eyes! this is good for a caption contest!
but i’m done tonight – time for bill maher!
March 3rd, 2006 at 10:52 pmHe looks like he’s wondering just where in the hell does she think she’s going ? Like HE exits first, while the “lessers” follow at least two paces behind, while looking suitably admiring, of course. Gross, sorry! Oh, this is about the photo, sorry again!
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:33 pmBritish Prime Minister Tony Blair said yesterday he believes God will judge him on his decision to go to war with Iraq. 03/03/06
Another person who wants to leave it to god to sort out the mess that he helped create!
Doesn’t want to go before a court just yet
March 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 pm“Paul in LA, thanks for the links. I agree if you can retake the House there will be an impeachment but that will not remove the administration.” — British Gary
You don’t say why you say that. IF there is ANY kind of official investigation of the impeachable crimes, these guys will fall into the abyss of history.
“It seems like there has been a movement for a long time to remove Diebolds – how successful have they been?”
Very successful, since we’re talking about SIX YEARS — not an eternity or even a ‘long time.’
“It seems the answer is ‘not very’ if the systems violate State constitutions and are still in use.”
That’s hilarious. You ever hear about politics? Very little changes overnight. The point is that the Diebolders are EXPOSED, and we are learning more about their rightwing connections and conspiracies with every passing day.
There are rumors that Diebold itself will abandon the voting business entirely. And they may well — their main business is banking, and this isn’t going to do marvels for their bottom line. CEO Wally O’Dell, the famous promiser of a Bush Ohio win, is already gone — they company is bleeding from several permanent wounds, as the truth has become known. Quit being such a defeatist.
“As for identity cards I was referring to;
http://www.thinkprogress.org/?tag=Electoral+Justice.”
Yeah, that refers to Georgia. Read the link. Similar programs are not being embraced, and Georgia, in case you don’t know, has been the hotbed of racist disenfranchizement FOREVER.
Paraphrasing Lee Marvin in ‘Gorky Park,’ ‘if you hire a defense attorney in Georgia (Moscow, originally), you are wasting your money.’
“Again, things are not heading in the right direction.”
If by things you mean Georgia, don’t worry about it. If by things you mean American democracy, yeah, we’ve had a coup. Didn’t you know?
Things weren’t heading in the right direction in 1938 in Britain either — worked out OK in the end.
“Protests need to be coordinated as 10000 is nowhere near big enough and they are not happening often enough.”
INCORRECT. Mass protests will not change a coup. 10,000 is an optimal amount for a big protest that the LAPD will tolerate without incident.
“We all lose if you lose in 06.”
We won’t lose in 06, but if you think that means we will win, then you aren’t doing the two and two.
It’s FIVE. People commonly leave out Bush’s middle finger when they do their math.
“You wrote; “There will not be a draft. The Bushoviks don’t have the power for that. They are running out of gas right before your eyes.†Do you have proof of this?”
Proof? The public disapproval of the Iraq imbroglio and the DISapproval rating are all the proof you need. Drafts are anathema, because they know that a draft will drive them from power. They prefer a mercenary army anyhow.
“I don’t buy into the repug hype but from this side of the pond they are going from strength to strength.”
You mistake tyranny for strength. The problem with tyranny is that it isn’t legal. Those people who stole that huge sum in the UK a few weeks ago are a good example. WHAT a robbery! And now? Not so much.
All we need is some justice. It’s not like we don’t have the evidence — we do. Major crimes have been committed, so that’s not strength. Strength would be pulling this off AND getting the American people on your side. They FAILED at that, and that failure will eventually cut their necks. Sic semper tyrannis.
And the same for Bliar.
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I’m sorry to read of your relapse, RightPunch. But I’m sure a tough cookie like you can work through the problems you create for yourself. Besides, you have what appears to be a strong support network here. As long as they don’t enable your behavior, they can be quite helpful.
Unfortunately, uneducated, unloved, religiously fanatical Republicans don’t have the opportunities for healing that you obviously do. So you should be way ahead in any measure of self-actualization. That you are not is unfortunate. On the bright side, there are far fewer of such Republicans than your self-reassuring stereotype has deceived you into believing. Perhaps that explains the discrepancy in your progress, real vs. expected.
When your brain is ready to be engaged, you know there is a conversation still awating resolution that you abruptly left behind when it got too technical. The petty bickerings in most of these threads (myself included) are amusing, but hardly of the stimulating level we left behind. I understand your performance anxiety, though. Someday, probably not long from now, I will leave here and we will forget each other soon thereafter. But you intend to be here a long while, and wish to look good in front of your compatriots. It’s a very common vulnerability.
My only regret is that we must subject the others to our mutually compassionate exchanges. It probably is uncomfortable for most observers. But I feel it is easiest to communicate with someone in need using their own language, as best as possible. So all will face some discomfort in order to help the one. I’m sure you’ll find it a beautiful thing.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:15 amHow did this man ever get elected?
Oh yea. In 2000, the supremes gave him the job, even though in the end, Al Gore won by 500,000 votes. 2004? Exit polls are never wrong. Can you say Diebold? This man NEVER had the majority.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:24 amThen why don’t we just elect by exit poll? We can just have pollsters outside of shopping malls on election day instead of all the hubbub. Would save a lot of money.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:34 amBeats the hellout of a diebold election
March 4th, 2006 at 1:45 amSethII- “Erratic-Whack-a-Doo!” Coming soon, to a street corner near you !
March 4th, 2006 at 4:00 amBush greeted by Osama banners on India tour
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article349150.ece
March 4th, 2006 at 6:54 amTHE CASE AGAINST EVOLUTION: CHIMPS ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN BUSH.
March 4th, 2006 at 7:44 amMaybe the premise of the movie “Easyrider” is correct. Lady Liberty is a whore and we (especially the repugs) are the pimp, along for the easy ride. What are we watching on the TV? FlavaFave feeling up his hoes (in front of his mother, no less!) Pimp my ride? As a culture we have elevated the pimp to a “wannabe” status that makes me sick. Will it end up like the Cohen brothers movie “Blood Simple,” where everyone gets exactly what they deserve? I hope so. Let’s call it “Pimp Simple.”
March 4th, 2006 at 9:14 amBush’s legacy may be that future presidential candidates will have to submit to an aptitude/IQ test before being nominated to the presidency.
March 4th, 2006 at 11:20 amMost jobs of consequence (even many that aren’t) have ability tests pre-acceptance — shouldn’t the POTUS be one of them?
It would be a preemptive measure against someone like Bush in the future.
Post 154 Marie > might be good for presidential candidates to be given a competency test on foreign affairs and world history! But some Americans voted for Bush because he is dumb like them, so maybe voter intelligence has to be tested as well?!
March 4th, 2006 at 11:47 amThey had to pick and dumb president so most american can understand simple TALK
March 4th, 2006 at 12:59 pmTobey Tall -
In re: your
“I just thought reagan was like bush too.. Maybe Republicans deliberately choose idiots as to appeal to an idiot nation.”
Yes.
The fact that Ronald Reagan, a wet Slim-Jim rolled in hair when he was alive, can bring (literal! I’ve seen them) tears to the eyes of conservatives is most of the proof I need that conservatism — at least as such people understand the term conservatism — is utterly unworthy of investigation.
But Reagan and Bush are also appeals to a /greedy/ nation.
The fact that GWB was elected (if that is what happened – at any rate, a bunch of people voted for him) should by rights blow a cosmic rift in all thinking peoples’ conceptions of democracy and capitalism.
It appears anyway to be a failure of the American system of DEMOCRACY that a person as woefully stupid, inept, uninspiring and incurious as GWB could get anywhere CLOSE to the most prominent job in the land. The man is probably not competent to manage a Denny’s — but there he is, sitting in the White House.
And it appears anyway to be a failure of the American system of CAPITALISM that if consumers want a thing, it will be given to them, EVEN IF IT IS BAD FOR THE WORLD. This applies to Hummers and cigarettes as well as Reagan and to GWB. A company could hire advertisers to create a genius campaign for a product that would ultimately cause the Earth to spin out of orbit and away from the Sun, and people would line up to buy it if the greed was cranked up sufficiently.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:30 pmMore thoughtds on The Fool on the Hill.
It horrified me (as it must have done many others) when I heard that a common reason people voted for Bush was that he seemed like someone these voters wouldn’t mind having a beer with.
(I must pause here while my spine curls into a pretzel shape and pierces my duodenum AND the base of my skull at the same time)
I mean, I can’t even look at that sentence without my corneas getting scalded. Don’t you, don’t you, don’t you want the person running the country to be a person smarter and more capable than … YOU? I mean, unless the “you” in that construction really /is/ “fit” her or himself for service in that important a role? Don’t you? I mean, sheesh, I never hung around a lot of bars or frat parties or anything, but criminy.
The very real and troubling problem that this country/culture is essentially anti-intellectual (and even anti- any sort of merit or ability) is compounded by the fact that the media have made god-damn-everything so visible and easily available. It’s an old saw but an old one that A. Lincoln, a tall, scrawny, funny looking guy with a squeaky voice, could NEVER get elected today. That’s a colossal problem, and it’s a problem that was not and could not be foreseen by the founders of this country. How can it ever be addressed?
This is after all the nation where fame is bestowed not because of any inherent talent, but mostly on the basis of appearance. Fame and visibility is manufactured, not earned. Real work and achievement is almost beside the point in the mirrored world of Good Ol’ Boy/Girl.
March 4th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#157, 158 Glenn Becker
March 4th, 2006 at 6:50 pmHere! Here! Well said.
“This is after all the nation where fame is bestowed not because of any inherent talent, but mostly on the basis of appearance.”
That’s a highly cynical view of American culture. While you are correct that corporations sell their products without regard to their value, the fact remains that there are THOUSANDS of deserving talents who are famous for their talent.
No one looks at Kurt Vonnegut as famous because of how he looks.
As for the ‘have a beer’ meme, that was cooked up by propagandists, and sold to you. Bush was NEVER elected legally to the post he has defiled — not in 2000, not in 2004.
America is 300 million people. Though the media endorses characters like Al-Reilly, his supposed ‘fame’ overcoming his actual talents in the first ten minutes, the fact remains that his viewership is a million people, 1/300th of the population.
Millions of people don’t access these supposedly characteristic beliefs in any individual’s ‘fame.’ And to bemoan the illiterate tv culture is to blame America as a whole for something akin to a brain disease suffered by a few million of its members.
Give up cynicism. It doesn’t really explain what is happening.
March 4th, 2006 at 7:05 pmSlow news day today. Perhaps, W should spend more time overseas. He could clear brush in the Gaza Strip and Northern Afghanistan. Ride his bike along Iraqi highways. Meet face to face with the American people – no, forget that last one, it would be too hazardous.
March 4th, 2006 at 10:04 pmLast post, I meant to say:
March 4th, 2006 at 10:08 pmSlow news day today. Perhaps, W should spend more time overseas. He could clear brush in the Gaza Strip and Northern Afghanistan. Ride his bike along Iraqi highways. Or he could come home and meet face to face with the American people – no, forget that last one, it would be too hazardous.
A fart in the wind is infinitly substantial and entirely natural compared to the perverse gaseous nauseous nonsense of christianity – according to its applications one of man’s very worst inventions.
“Imagine all the profits that all the arms makers will make. And, to them, so what if the world is destroyed in a nuclear war. That will just make jesus come back (a strategy originated by pat robertson).”
March 5th, 2006 at 5:24 amThe Bush’s visit to South Asia was to deliver gifts to India and stern lectures to Pakistan. No even harmless Bilateral Investment Treaty (BIT) was not signed with Pakistan. Presiden Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Azia showed their displeasure by not coming to the airport to welcome Bush in Pakistan. The Pakistanis are angry and dismayed at US. Pakistan will certainly change its policies to retaliate against US-India nuclear and arms deal.
March 5th, 2006 at 9:16 amRightPunch,
I have to give you some credit, you’ve won the battle of empty rhetoric between us. The effort for me to return the condescending attitude that comes so naturally to you is just too great. It dilutes my arguments in a way that you simply accept as how debates are carried out. By sinking to your level I have probably lost some credibility, and deservedly so. You win on this front. You are the master of condescention and I will challenge your reign no further. I’ll simply point out that your elitism and judgementalism have been the source of my amusement, since progressives supposedly abhor such behavior. I will continue to address those rare occasions that you actually present a reasoned argument, but I will propagate the attitude no further.
I bring up Clinton not so much as directly relevant to current events, but as an exploration and demonstration of the different standards to which you must hold Democrats and Republicans in order to maintain your ideology. You, RightPunch, provided the greatest example when, in order to demonstrate how Bush is adversely impacting foreclosure rates, you posted a FDIC report from 1998, during Clinton’s tenure, that showed rising rates, and blamed Bush. When I pointed this out…the sound of crickets. Your ideology remains intact, not because you defeated an argument, but because you dodged it. Then you accuse me of ignoring “technical details” in order to cover your tracks. I suspect even other liberals see through you.
Finally, on the matter of exit polls, I assume you all know that as a statistical measure exit polls have an inherent margin of error, usually around 3%. An election, however, is assumed to be an exact measure of those who vote, and so no margin of error is provided. It may not be a perfect assumption, but even Gore argued in 2000 that elections are exact when he said, “every vote must be counted.” So if you really think that exit polls are more accurate than election results…I don’t know what else to tell you.
In the real world, accusations of voter fraud in 2000 and 2004 have not panned out. Yet you rely on the accusations much more than the investigations which have turned up little. I suspect that comes from the same part of the brain that favors exit polls over election results.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:35 amSeth II
—-but I will propagate the attitude no further.—-
You promise you ‘will stop fucking up the thread’
How kind.
March 5th, 2006 at 7:01 pm‘Goodnight and Good Luck’–now go in peace. But first just go!
I’m just stepping out of the pointless dance that RightPunch and I have carried on for over a week. If that’s what you mean by “fucking up the thread,” then yes, I’m done. I suspect we’ll continue to see the goopy mess coming from RightPunch, however. As for leaving for good…not just yet.
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