Is John Hinderaker Nuts?
Is John Hinderaker Nuts?
Today, Powerline’s John Hinderaker wrote a post entitled “Is Murtha Nuts?” He claims that during an appearance today on Face the Nation “pretty much every ‘fact’ that Murtha hysterically tossed out is wrong.”
Hinderaker then proceeds to “fact check” Murtha’s appearance, which for him seems to mean using words like “absurd” and “unbelievable.” But actually, it’s Hinderaker who, with remarkable consistency, gets it wrong. Here’s Hinderaker vs. the facts —
Hinderaker: “Murtha’s suggestion that the administration said Iraq had nuclear weapons is absurd. (Why don’t talk show hosts ever seem to call Democrats on these wild misrepresentations?)”
Vice President Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03:
We know that based on intelligence that he has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He’s had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq’s concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing.
Hinderaker: “Murtha claims the unemployment rate in Iraq is 60%, which is unbelievable on its face. This is a figure that is sometimes cited on far-left blogs, which I suspect are Murtha’s source.”
Voice of America (federal government news service), 2/8/06:
Although the Iraqi soldiers say they joined the army to fight terrorism and defend Iraq, in a country with an estimated 30 to 60 percent unemployment rate, the contractor says money is also a big incentive.
Hinderaker: “‘Water production, only 30 percent of the people getting water.’ This seems pretty obviously false; otherwise, 70% of the population would be dead.”
Brookings Institution, Iraq Index, 3/2/06:
Hinderaker: “Murtha says 80% of Iraqis ‘want us out of there.’ This too is silly, if by ‘out of there’ Murtha means that 80% agree with his call for immediate withdrawal.”
Brookings Institution, Iraq Index, 3/2/06:
Hinderaker: “Likewise his claim that there is ‘no al Qaeda connection.’ In light of everything we now know, that statement can only be described as ignorant.”
Washington Post, 6/17/04:
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq.
Please email Mr. Hinderaker at powerlinefeedback@gmail.com and tell him to correct the record for his readers. (Please be polite.)
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No, he’s insane.
March 5th, 2006 at 8:01 pmEver since the Minnesota lawyer and I had an email exchange where I had to clarify that Mary Cheney was not “outed” by John Kerry, it has been obvious to me that the man has serious issues with reality.
March 5th, 2006 at 8:12 pmThis is the kind of stuff you should expect from “crackheads” What a joke! How many of his readers probably believe him though…That’s the scary part about all of this…I have sent them numerous emails and not once have I ever gotten a reply…
March 5th, 2006 at 8:25 pmHindrocket better save his energy and limited intellect for the 2006 and 2008 elections because he’ll have his hands full rationalizing all the GOP death, debt, lies, corruption, disengagement, Cheney, Abramoff, DeLay, Rove, New Orleans mess, Chertoff, and never-ending war. When are real Republicans going to demand their party and philosphy back? Is this really what America wants?
March 5th, 2006 at 8:31 pmWay to be, Assrocket.
Obviously, Hinderaker has no qualms about showing his foolishness in absolutely spectacular fashion.
March 5th, 2006 at 8:32 pmRe-reading Assrocket’s diatribe, it’s obvious that he wasn’t actually concerned with “fact-checking” Murtha. Rather, he was using his own dim corner of the blogosphere to try to move GOP propaganda about Iraq and Murtha (note, for example, his straw man that Murtha is promoting “immediate withdrawal” from Iraq).
Assrocket should not be treated as a sincere seeker of the truth. Rather, he’s a rather poor propagandist, one who, like many GOP’ers these days, is only concerned with the political fortunes of his party. The good of his country comes second.
March 5th, 2006 at 8:41 pmWho the hell is this nobody Hinderaker? What qualifies him to speak about anything? Where do these no bodies come from?
March 5th, 2006 at 9:39 pmHas this individual done anywhere near as much for this country as John Murtha? Or is he just another of the 34%who are delusional enough to still trust the Liar in Chief?
” I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong.” –Cheney
March 5th, 2006 at 9:41 pm“We have to address the fact that the president has broken the law.†— Senator Russ Feingold
March 5th, 2006 at 9:42 pmAssrocket is worse than nuts. He’s poorly informed.
March 5th, 2006 at 9:43 pmHe is NOT nuts. He is engaged in one of the fledgling attempts by Big Brother to change history and control the past.
March 5th, 2006 at 10:01 pm
Did email him and was, with much difficulty, extremely polite.
March 5th, 2006 at 10:06 pmYes.
R2K
March 5th, 2006 at 10:18 pmIT’S AN INSULT TO THE PEOPLE’S INTELLIGENCE to attempt to draw the People’s attention away from the invasion and occupation of Iraq and toward any particular voice opposing that occupation.
It’s not about Mr. Murtha, it’s about the occupation of Iraq.
Nothing that can be said for or against any of the particular voices in this matter, is anything said about the matter of the occupation of Iraq…
Or the matter of why the U.S. Armed Forces invaded Iraq, despite their being no National Security concern or matter of Justice to the U.S. whatsoever…
Despite the falsified information, the misinformation, the bad intelligence, and the lies that the Administration advanced to advance their scheme in Iraq…
ALL OF WHICH IS AN INSULT TO THE PEOPLE’S INTELLIGENCE.
It’s not about Mr. Murtha.
March 5th, 2006 at 10:18 pmYes, he’s nuts…he’s as nuts as Coulter, Limbaugh, O’Reilly and all the rest. No matter what, they are invested and will support this brand of conservatisim – even to their detriment.
March 5th, 2006 at 10:21 pmAs soon as Hindraker finishes his boot camp training; chooses between Afghanistan/Iraq (or Iran/Syria) and actually gets into the blood and guts of combat…just pay him a no-never-mind. When I see Cheney’s fat ass headed for the sreets of Bagdad–I’ll listen him, too
By the way, when can we expect their wives (and all R. women) to begin wearing burkahs in public?
Great research Judd–poke it in his pie hole!
March 5th, 2006 at 10:38 pm*ahem*
By John Hindraker:
Dude’s insane.
March 5th, 2006 at 10:54 pmMurtha is right about Adminstration but he is leaving one out of who wants us in Iraq, BUSH AND HIS EVIL COHORTS WHO LIED TO GET US NOT ONLY THERE BUT ALSO GET US INTO AFGHANSTAN SO UNICAL OIL COULD BUILD A PIPELINE THROUGH THERE! ETC! All the while war profiteering off are dead and injuried G.I’s, plus innocent Iraqi’s and Afghanistani’s too and soon to be innocent Iranians too,ALL BECAUSE ISRAEL WANTS US TO!! Hang Bush and cohorts for TREASON, WAR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND WAR PROFITEERING AND NOW! DEMAND THEY ALL BE ARRESTED AND NOW, BEFORE THEY MURDER MORE AT HOME OR ABROAD! PLEASE!! But first send them to Gitmo AFTER they have been made to go days without food and water or medical supplies in N.O. and up to their arm pits in crocks,too!
March 5th, 2006 at 10:55 pmI can only assume that AssRocket is describing this Think Progress post when he states in an update:
March 5th, 2006 at 11:06 pm
I e-mailed Hinderaker urging him to correct his factually-challenged post. He replied, which was exceedingly strange, letting me know he “feels sorry for me.” Well, no: He feels nothing real, for anyone who matters. Which characterizes someone with a personality disorder.
Anyways: Impeachment. Let’s go.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:11 pm19-
This was from a guy I had a little fun with yesterday.
Point is- they get their “talking points” from the same place.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:24 pmI love how Hinderaker only talked about one of Judd’s issues with his post. Then in true Right wing blogger form, he resorted to calling liberals insane. Oh well.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:38 pmWHY THE FUCK ARE THESE ASSHOLES ALOWED TO SPEW LIES?
March 5th, 2006 at 11:41 pmOFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!
John Hinderaker is very likely corrupt – bought and paid for by people who profit from this so-called-war. I say that because nobody, nobody with his education that is, can be that stupid.
To be that stupid is to be as stupid as……as stupid as…..as stupid as the invasion of Iraq by a bunch of clueless chicken hawks who couldn’t go and kill a few wingless quail without accidentally shooting one of their own hunting party members in the face.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:45 pm[...] Think Progress – Is John Hinderaker Nuts? [...]
March 5th, 2006 at 11:46 pmSounds like a pretty typical right wing attack on Murtha. Tomorrow these same statements will be repeated by Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and Hannity.
Same old same old.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:48 pmIn his cowardly way, he defends himself with six paragraphs apologizing on Cheney’s behalf for a ’slip of the tongue’ in the Russert piece – casually ignoring all the other points of inaccuracy in his original post.
The fact his, his cartoon heroes at the White House got nothing – zero-zilch-nada – right about Iraq. People are dying because of their deceit and imcompetence – Bush and his merry band of asslickers like this have the blood of thousands on their hands.
Someone send this buffoon a clue and some Ex-Lax…soon.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:52 pmHe’s nuts. Here’s an email he sent a few months back when I wrote with a similar correction:
March 5th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
I had forgotten about this until I went to The Poorman to look at the Wanker of the Year nominations:
It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can’t get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011183.php#011183
March 5th, 2006 at 11:53 pmThe right wing is utterly pathetic and completely lost.
I recall, perhaps two years ago, how formidable the right win echo chamber seemed. While certainly a powerful force for evil, it’s no longer able to drown-out opposing voices. Their lack of credibility will be one of their undoings.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:55 pmAssRocket:they have lost any ability to distinguish truth from fiction, and any desire to do so.
“We know for a fact there are weapons there.” – Ari Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003
March 5th, 2006 at 11:57 pmI find it interesting, that powerlie does not allow debate or posts on their articles
No dissenting positions allowed I guess.
March 5th, 2006 at 11:57 pmWasn’t it also Cheney who gave the “mushroom cloud over New York” speech?
March 6th, 2006 at 12:01 amECONA -
You beat me to it.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:03 amMarch 6th, 2006 at 12:08 am
look folks, there is a ship sinking….U.S.S. Dictator,owned by the Bush crime family….wow..each day it takes on a little more water…and it was leaning so far to the right,it’s starting to tip over…
March 6th, 2006 at 12:09 amHe isn’t nuts. He’s just an angry little man willing to lie about anything.
Fuck ‘em sidways.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:14 amIt’s the mantra,repeating excessively will make it true.I’ve never heard of this dude.Does he have bona fide conservative credentials or is he rush o’coulter genre? Meanwhile people are still dying of bush’s greed.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:19 amfeh, why bother? what’s the use of even arguing with people like these on even factual pretenses? they have no use for facts or reality.
if you insite on arguing with these cretins, and thus acknowledging their existence, just call them fags or “homos for bush”. they are so empty, shallow and reactionary, and that’s the only visceral existence for which they will be react upon and thus prove their own petard-ness.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:23 amAh, but we all lose whenever Hindraker speaks, Steve. lol
March 6th, 2006 at 12:24 amHistory suggests that it is Dick Cheney who is nuts:
March 6th, 2006 at 12:25 amThe Cheney quotation was a misstatement. He spoke of reconstituted _programs_ several times in that same interview and later confirmed that he had misspoken that one time.
This is well known.
It is an act of outright and quite obvious deceitfulness to continue to pretend that Cheney meant to assert that Saddam had nuclear weapons.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:26 amMoonraker is a perfect example of the disconnected types that are drawn in by the GOP blame mantra. It wasn’t all that long ago that we called these pathetic delusionoids a fitting name: Fascist. No matter how many times we beat them into the ground, they rise up again from the depths of human DNA…and to think that they considered themselves “supermen”. A supreme irony, isn’t it?
March 6th, 2006 at 12:27 amAssrocket is very good at bemoaning the ‘lack of civility’ on the left, and sounding pompous and righteous, but underneat the thin veneer? A potty-mouthed delusional little man.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:39 ampsychosis – n any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality is lost or highly distorted
March 6th, 2006 at 12:41 amIt is an act of outright and quite obvious deceitfulness to continue to pretend that Cheney meant to assert that Saddam had nuclear weapons.
Comment by a
Shooter said that on 3/16. We began the attack on 3/20. When did Cheney correct himself?
March 6th, 2006 at 12:56 amHistory, if democracy wins in this struggle, will look back at jerks like you the same way it looks back at the nixon bunch, with disgust. You, sir, will be one of those righteously scorned and ridiculed.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:57 amHe is NOT nuts. He is engaged in one of the fledgling attempts by Big Brother to change history and control the past.
WHO CONTROLS THE PAST CONTROLS THE FUTURE
WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT CONTROLS THE PAST
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — March 5, 2006 @ 10:01 pm
And he who controls the spice controls the universe.
That Wouldn’t be Assmissle.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:09 amHindrocket wants to play the double-talk game? Fine. Let’s rock.
From the White House itself (http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html).
May 29, 2003:
See, even President Bush thinks that “weapons programs” are the same as “weapons”.
So if “mobile labs to build biological weapons” are the same as “weapons of mass destruction”, then clearly “reconstituted nuclear weapons programs” are the same as “nuclear weapons”.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:14 amRep. Murtha tells the truth so he gets smeared by Bush agents to undermine whatever wisdom he tries to tell the nation about Iraq fiasco! Sad but true!
March 6th, 2006 at 1:19 amYes. No one in the White House ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons – silly liberals. Those mushroom clouds were going to be caused by. . . um . . . skywriters, who Saddam had planned to hire to mock our freedoms by drawing big mushrooms in the sky over our great and free cities. How, you might ask do mushrooms mock our freedoms? Well, that question just shows your ignorance – stupid liberals.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:26 amI cant belive that there are still people out there who cannot face the truth for what it is and that when people like Murha speak it they dogpile on them?It doesnt say much for those who wrap themselves in the flag then use the lanyard to hang those who disagree mit der official propaganda!
March 6th, 2006 at 1:26 amI’m ashamed to be from the same state as that Hinderaker idiot. Will anyone else volunteer to take him? He’s been living here (in a Blue state yet) long enough!
March 6th, 2006 at 1:26 amMurtha says there is a civil war going on in Iraq. Only, there isn’t. Murtha should know what a civil war is; we had one here once. You could tell it was a civil war, because half of the officers in the U.S. armed forces resigned and went south to fight for their “country;” afterward, opposing armies fought in the field. If that happens in Iraq, there will be a civil war. But it certainly hasn’t happened yet. Violence, yes; the Middle East is a violent place. But it is simply false to say that there is a civil war going on, as Murtha must know, if he is not completely unhinged.
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That reads like an 8th grader wrote it- Hindy only likes neat, organized, simple, western-style civil wars. These whole 3 or 4 faction, thousands of tribes, urban, MODERN civil wars are for pussies.
Not that makes a difference, Bush graduated from yale, but has anybody verified this harvard thing? It just seems like someone this delusional wouldn’t be able to graduate high school, much less law school.
Oh – if you’re reading this, john, go fuck yourself.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:34 amurtha says there is a civil war going on in Iraq. Only, there isn’t. Murtha should know what a civil war is; we had one here once. You could tell it was a civil war, because half of the officers in the U.S. armed forces resigned and went south to fight for their “country;” afterward, opposing armies fought in the field. If that happens in Iraq, there will be a civil war. But it certainly hasn’t happened yet. Violence, yes; the Middle East is a violent place. But it is simply false to say that there is a civil war going on, as Murtha must know, if he is not completely unhinged.
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That reads like an 8th grader wrote it- Hindy only likes neat, organized, simple, western-style civil wars. These whole 3 or 4 faction, thousands of tribes, urban, MODERN civil wars are for pussies.
Not that makes a difference, Bush graduated from yale, but has anybody verified this harvard thing? It just seems like someone this delusional wouldn’t be able to graduate high school, much less law school.
Oh – if you’re reading this, john, go fuck yourself.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:36 amSomeone asked, “Who the hell is this little, small minded man, and why should we listen to him?” I don’t know what “Powerline” is, or where it is to be found, but like all of us posting here, I assume he is just someone with something to say. The fact that what he has to say is moronic, unthinking, autonomic repetitions of other’s “talking points” that have no fucking relationship with reality, does suggest to me that he is insane. Or stupid. Or utterly tone-deaf. Which is why he, and otheres like him, have absolutely NO sense of rhythm, romance, or rock & roll, and why most people do not give a flying fuck what he thinks or says.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:37 amWhich is why he, and otheres like him, have absolutely NO sense of rhythm, romance, or rock & roll, and why most people do not give a flying fuck what he thinks or says.
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Well said. Not a whole lot of introspection with this bunch. Hard to soul-search when you got no soul. Or conscience.
I hate i’m even talking about him, but i think people acually read this guy. I keep thinking that with every new damming revelation, i’ll see a glimpse of hope from these guys. A hint of a concession – on anything, something to show me that they may be rational. Something to give me hope. But alas, if you are reading this, you probably already know.
I grow discouraged.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:50 amFor the right-wing bloggers still drinking the Kool Aid, it isn’t about reality. All that matters to them is formulating arguments. In fact, the more their arguments have to ignore the actual facts, the more fun it is for them. Give Hinderaker credit for still finding ways to defend George W. Bush. History may not treat him so kindly (and fortunately, it is all recorded for posterity), but what he is doing takes a great deal of skill and determination.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:56 amOnly in weird times like these would we have to be arguing whether Cheney meant to suggest a nuclear peril by saying Saddam was reconstituting his nuclear weapons PROGRAM. The intention, just like Bush’s continual rhetorical association of Saddam and 9/11, is to suggest something scary is true without precisely saying so.
You get this everywhere on the web if you enter discussson with these people. They parse language, nitpick it to death, and technically they are often right. But only a complete idiot fails to see what the intention was.
I question how much value it is to even argue with them. I mean look at the rage Hinderaker flies into. How in hell do you deal with that?
March 6th, 2006 at 2:02 am“Many of us are convinced that Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon. “
Cheney, 8/26/2002
March 6th, 2006 at 2:12 amThe market for winger bloggers is leveling off, and even declining by some measures. They’re all having to scramble more and more to increase or maintain their marketshare in the face of declining poll numbers and a public increasingly disgusted with Bush and the GOP. That’s part of the outlandishness that is popping up now. It’s a ploy to out fundie the other fundie bloggers. Or out wingnut the nuts.
Also, some here keep talking about accuracy and facts; but I don’t think that plays any part in John’s calculus. This about the fleeting fame and the high of Rathergate and the money that was so tantalizingly close; in his mind anyway. Like a degenerate gambler that almost hit the jackpot once, John will be chasing that furtive high and that latent fortune the rest of his life, never able to admit or realize it was a fluke. As traffic flattens or drops, he’ll see no choice but to play to the extreme right. Expect more of this, lots more.
March 6th, 2006 at 2:19 amThis guy gets owned so much you would think he would be feeling sore and retire from the spotlight for awhile.
As for how to deal with them, I have taken to simply stating the facts. And reminding them that THEY are the minority now. If *Bush had a mandate with 52%, what does 66% get us?
Certainly the house and the senate.
Still it is amazing the degree to which these people are capable of shitting themselves. Assrocket, King of the 34%ers club. lol
March 6th, 2006 at 2:22 amHinderaker is nuts, and he’s compulsively nuts. If you ask him to correct the record (as I did, when he made the outrageous comparison to Getting Shot In The Face with getting snagged by a fishhook) he will simply attempt to argue with you until you get tired of it. Which I did, but I put a bozo label on all of his incoming email and just forwarded it back to him.
March 6th, 2006 at 2:28 amDarkSyde said, “The market for winger bloggers is leveling off, and even declining by some measures. They’re all having to scramble more and more to increase or maintain their marketshare . . .”
I was just talking with a friend today about the same thing in the context of Coulter’s increasing nuttery (if that’s possible). It seems that the first reaction by these nuts to fewer people wanting to hear them is a sort of instant makeover – “NOW 30% NUTTIER!” But this sort of play-to-the-base mentality that might bring stability to a politician doesn’t seem, at first blush, like it would help a sagging blogger or [fill in favorite term for what Coulter does here]. If fewer people are interested in what you’re doing, doing it to the extreme doesn’t seem like a great strategy for regaining fans. Unless one can make a good living speaking only at EVERY cross-burning and Walmart opening.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months if their ratings/readership/speaking engagements all start to dry up. Can you imagine Coulter’s boney hands trying to reach out for the – gulp – middle?
March 6th, 2006 at 3:07 amAssmissile is only doing what any criminal defense attorney with a very quilty client, Bushco and the GOP, would do. It’s great theatre. But he doesn’t practice that kind of law in an actual court, only in the court of public opinion. He’s a corpororate shill. He gets the coporate criminals into trouble. Someone else gets them out. For clarity’s sake, let’s be clear: There was no connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda. Ever.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:29 amQuilty? Claire Quilty? I meant guilty, but come to think of it, wasn’t Claire Quilty guilty, too. 100 points for anyone who knows who Claire quilty is without googling.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:31 amHindraker is like Claire Quilty, but we expect he likes little boys, not girls.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:32 amThink Progress Takes On Powerline…
Is John Hinderaker Nuts?Today, Powerline’s John Hinderaker wrote a post entitled “Is Murtha Nuts?†He claims that during an appearance today on Face the Nation “pretty much every ‘fact’ that Murtha hysterically tossed out is wrong.†Hinderaker then pr…
March 6th, 2006 at 3:46 amThe cognitive dissonance of these authoritarian personality types is pitiful and will be unsuccessful finally at holding back reality. I never read these fascist pigs, but thanks for fact-checking them anyway.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:56 amUSA is over as a democracy — it really doesn’t matter what it up and what is down. Just follow what the great leader thinks and says.
85% of your soldiers in Iraq think Saddam was responsible for 9/11. When you have this level of misinformation, it ’s just might makes right.
Live by the sword, die by the sword: I believe your society has basically chosen this path and the rest of the world should avoid you.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:58 amretarded monkey entertainer
My cousin worked with retarted monkeys and I happen to know that they find her insulting. Jerry Lewis they love.
March 6th, 2006 at 4:02 amAnyone who reads Assrocket doesn’t want facts; they want made-up bullshit to make them feel better; to confirm the lies they’re hearing in the echo chamber. They’re so addled by the Kool-Aid that they have no reasoning ability left anyway.
Look at Assrocket’s idols, Limbaugh and O’Reilly. Limbaugh talked tough on drugs and then got busted as a drug addict. O’Reilly talks tough on morals and got busted with his female employee in a way that would get him fired from any company on the planet but Fox News. I know you can’t expect model behavior from everyone on your side, but when even your leading preachers can’t practice what they preach, some serious soul-searching is recommended.
Poor Assrocket’s dancing as fast as he can.
March 6th, 2006 at 4:20 am[...] Ever heard of an Argument from Incredulity. Its an informal logical fallacy and we all do it occasionally, ” She couldn’t have won the race. She stopped training six months ago.” Well the fact that she stopped training six months ago may make the fact that she won amazing in the light of competing against others that did train properly, but the fact is she did win. Our incredulity at an untrained athlete winning does not negate the reality of her winning. Ok so you knew that, arguments from incredulity are not valid, but John Hinderaker at Powerline, proud holder of a law degree and right-wing noise maker thinks such arguments are valid, why bother firing up Google when he can just prove anything he disagree with pseudo outrage. John proceded to attack Rep. John Murtha after his appearance on Face the Nation: ( Think Progress has a good post on this, consider this as a n expansion of that discussion) [...]
March 6th, 2006 at 4:37 amAnd we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
a in #42 is right. Cheney repeatedly said “reconstituted nuclear weapons programs” in that interview. The one time he said “reconstituted nuclear weapons” it was clearly a slip of the tongue.
As #46, #49, #51 and #59 say, the White House was clearly trying to scare everyone into thinking that there were advanced nuclear weapons programs (though Murtha was technically incorrect to say they said there were nuclear weapons — they strongly implied there would shortly be nuclear weapons). But it’s wrong to use that specific Cheney quote as the smoking gun, because it just sparks off this specific discussion all over again and makes it look like we’re arguing in bad faith. It’s much better to quote Bush from the 2002 SOTU saying “Our intelligence sources tell us that [Saddam] has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.” when in fact the tubes *weren’t* suitable and everyone with technical knowledge knew as much.
March 6th, 2006 at 4:54 amCondi’s “mushroom cloud” comment is ample justification to accuse the Bushies of peddling the fear that Saddam had nukes.
March 6th, 2006 at 4:59 amWhen someone like this fellow becomes so engrossed with arguing about revisionism, I have to wonder what it is in the present that requires his defense. And it seems to me the real issue is Iran’s presumed hostility as demonstrated by their refusal to give up their weapons research. People who support Bush and the GWOT have to keep the fear of the future alive and well in everyone else’s mind. This is something like the grandfather in Peter and the Wolf grumping away at the end, “And what if Peter hadn’t killed the Wolf?” Because, of course, Bush et al *did* get Saddam Hussein so we’re safe in Iraq. Right? Right?? Right??? And if you still won’t say right, well, there are no WMD in Iraq now, are there? Well, are there?? SEE???
I don’t know if what this man is suffering from is technically insanity, but it is certainly a disease.
March 6th, 2006 at 5:52 amnumber 17. … you made me spit out my gum! Hindraker needs to get a day job.
March 6th, 2006 at 5:53 amPer #47: Not to mention the fact that we’ve just learned that he had been briefed about the aluminum tubes being for conventional purposes prior to his use of them in the 1/28/03 SOTU from Marray Waas.
March 6th, 2006 at 6:10 amThis seems to be his problem:
For more than ten years Hinderaker has written with his former law partner Scott Johnson on public policy issues including income inequality, income taxes, campaign finance reform, affirmative action, welfare reform, and race in the criminal justice system.
10 years isn’t long enough to be good at any one thing. Yet he sells himself as quite the master at many disciplines! What an embarrassing bio.
Shall we all make a list of the things we’ve written about the past 10 years?
March 6th, 2006 at 6:39 amIs Hindraker another Chickenhawk?
March 6th, 2006 at 6:44 amHow dare you counter with facts. Facts are for terrorists and America haters.
March 6th, 2006 at 6:52 amIts all about the uninformed American ,those who live on a steady diet of Faux News.These sheep need their steady diet of Kool Aid to keep bush at 36% or is it 39% if the scumbag falls any lower even these sheep will look for other pastures.
Pace is also part of the misguided dogs tending to that flock of Faux News.
We are seeing America disassembled by these neo cons and is it worth it to them in the long to destroy 230 years of History. I am amazed at the greed to destroy America.
March 6th, 2006 at 6:58 amASSROCKET’S A LIAR AND HE’S INSANE! It’s not like they’re mutually exclusive.
March 6th, 2006 at 7:04 amWell I just read this “Assrocket” for the first time. I read the Murtha/Nuts article. He is very clearly attempting to persuade, sometimes frantically. I think he had a stack of “State Department Facts” at the ready, awaiting for the first instance someone knocked the State Department.
All in all, his writing style is petty, mixed with a side of “nervous high school virgin with an erection” impulsiveness. He’s clearly on the take. And on the wrong side of history. Just ask the Bubba voters…
March 6th, 2006 at 7:14 amIs Hindraker another Chickenhawk?
Comment by Ho Chi Minh — March 6, 2006 @ 6:44 am
I have found no evidence that he ever served in the military, but I have found no evidence he has never been a business partner of Jeff Gannon either.
March 6th, 2006 at 7:28 amOkay. Here’s the problem about those reconstituted nuclear weapons programs, though. Saddam didn’t have any of those either. So it’s an act of quite obvious deceitfulnes to continue to pretend that this administration did not assert, and strongly claim, that Saddam was soon to be a nuclear threat. If I recall, this was a primary casus belli for invasion.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:02 amYour statistic that 71% of Iraqis say they rarely have access to safe clean drinking water can not be construed to mean that only 30% do, as is implied by the context in which you cite it. From the table, we do not know whether those 29% left over might have access to safe clean water, or they might not. The statistic does not debunk Assrocket, nor does it support murtha.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:19 amIf I were in Iraq and lived under these conditions i would become a suicide bomber against america too ……. bloody idiot race you lot are
March 6th, 2006 at 8:23 amHinderaker no am living in Bizarro World! Hinderaker being very smartish!
March 6th, 2006 at 8:25 amHinderaker: “Likewise his claim that there is ‘no al Qaeda connection.’ In light of everything we now know, that statement can only be described as ignorant.â€
America cause you have not improved the living conditions in Iraq ….You are the ignorant ones round here
March 6th, 2006 at 8:25 amHere in the US of A you can’t drink the water flowing from the tap. It isn’t fit for human consumption.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:48 amMy favorite is his take on water. Apparently he can think of no other type of water than the lovely chlorinated water that runs through his tap.
I guess he wasn’t around when the Bushies were scaring the public with the talk of ‘mushroom clouds’, aluminum tubes, uranium from Niger, etc.
The unemployment rate is around 60 percent. Of course the calculation depends on how you construct the work force, ie , if you chose to exclude all those who are not working as having left the work force you’d end up with an instant 0 percent unemployment rate. There are not many jobs in Iraq which was a statist country under Hussein and is a statist country under the US. That is, the people depend on the government for jobs.
Assuming that the unemployment rate was 30 percent but that many of those people lived on, say, two dollars a day – that can hardly be called an improvement. You should also note the rise in fuel prices which is designed to both stem Iraqi losses, decrease demand, and increase supply available for export. The cost is that Iraqis pay more for transport as well as having the price of cooking fuel rise – another issue.
Blowing up Iraqis and Americans is a far more lucrative opportunity than being an Iraqi policeman, sweeping streets, etc. it takes little time and has a big payoff. Contrast that to being a policeman which is a regular job with regular hours with a similar risk profile.
The Americans should also be proud that their taxpayers are funding Shiite death squads working in the Interior Ministry. We provide the Iraqis with their budgetary needs – their oil cannot cover it.
the Powerline folks rehash the same stuff. In this case I think he’s knows he’s shoveling crap.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:50 amThe administration equated Iraqis nonexistant nuclear weapons program with imminent ‘mushroom clouds’. They made it clear that Iraq would have a weapon soon to use against us and that we had to act. That’s a scare tactic. Suggesting Iraq had links to Al Qaeda makes the public feel that Hussein would give them his bomb once he had it shortly.
Either way, it’s semantics. They were engaging in manipulation of the public.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:53 am#61
The wingnuts appear to be attemtping to distance themselves from Bush and strengthen their bonds with the Congressional repubs. Kristol has been doing it as has Fukuyama (sp) both notable neoconservatives. Given that Kristol runs a lossmaking publication that is financially baced by Rupert Murdoch one would think that perhaps Murdoch is reaching the conclusion that he can get greater influence by cozying up with the congressional repubs.
They are starting to realize that Bush is a failure or a liability. Generally they seem to fall somewhere in between.
This does not, however, mean that they are any less dangerous (or slightly crazy) than they were before. They are simply shifting allegiances.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:57 amJohn Hinderaker makes Joe Isuzu look like a paragon of veracity.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:08 amToo outrageous to ignore…
However, a commenter on Ian Schwartz’s post links to a Think Progress post that attempts to shoot Hinderaker down. In a couple of points, Think Progress includes 3/2/2006 tracking data from the Brookings Institution….
March 6th, 2006 at 9:32 amAs to whether Cheney’s MEET THE PRESS comment that Iraq had “reconstituted nuclear weapons” (as opposed to weapons “programs”) was a slip of the tongue or not, we can only speculate. Given that throughout the program Cheney spoke of reconstituted “programs,” yes, it may have been a slip of the tongue. On the other hand, Cheney seems entirely deliberate with everything he says and does publicly, and I cannot but wonder if he did not purposely make the ONE assertion of “reconstituted nuclear weapons” in order to further frighten his listeners into acquiescence to the administration’s actions. If it were later found Saddam DID have some weapons, Cheney could have seemed prescient; if we found evidence of reconstituted programs, he would still have seemed accurate, and no one would have remembered or cared about the one remark; if no weapons or programs were ever found–as they weren’t–he could simply say, “it was a slip of the tongue.”
In the end, the effect is the same: he, and they, used carefully parsed rhetoric and made repeated assertions of CERTAINTY that Saddam had WMD–referring primarily in their assertions to nerve and biological agents, but allowing the public to make the connection and include “nuclear weapons” in the weapons referred to by the acronym–with the goal of creating a panic among Americans that we must attack and we must attack NOW, else Saddam will surely destroy us all (as the 3000 were destroyed on 9/11).
Bush may be an ignorant simpleton, but neither Cheney nor Rumsfeld are, and they have had decades of government “service” in which to work out their plan of operation. In Bush they found they perfect empty vessel to animate their insane ideology of power.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:48 amLemme see
Elizabeth Cheney and the Broadcasting Board of Governors
or Cheneys very own propaganda tool in the State Dept.
Neo-Con Media Hack from Cheney/Halliburton.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:53 amWhy would anyone expect ‘Fair and Balanced’
from this Group of AEI State Dept. Ideologues?
Howdy. Per your suggestion I sent a note; also included your workup (with attribution to you). Thanks.
“Dear Mr. Hinderaker:
March 6th, 2006 at 9:53 amDo you receive any publicly funded compensation for airing your ignorance about world events? The Bush administration frequently supports truth-challenged folks like yourself, who have access to airtime but no need for facts, to help guide the faith-based and other gullible segments of our populace.
If you don’t get funded, you should definitely apply.
Oh: here are some facts you could verify, or more likely be sure to avoid (by the way, I’m lazy and I’ve checked out all these things before, so I purloined them from thinkprogress.org, who conveniently provided sources for everything)
Have a nice day. Here you go:”
[...] Have you ever noticed how the right wing blogs don’t allow comments and the left wing blogs do? There is a reason. Think Progress calls out John Hinderaker in this post. Hinderaker had posted a hit piece on Rep. Murtha after the Congressman appeared on Meet The Press. oday, Powerline’s John Hinderaker wrote a post entitled “Is Murtha Nuts?†He claims that during an appearance today on Face the Nation “pretty much every ‘fact’ that Murtha hysterically tossed out is wrong.†[...]
March 6th, 2006 at 9:53 amNow, more than ever, we need truth about Iraq, no matter how unpleasant or embarrassing. Our troops are engaged in a protracted conflict, we are spending billions of dollars and taking on trillions in debt.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:55 amit is the republicans that need to get real.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:56 amhow they mysteriously “forget or DENY” what has been said in the past is amazing and scary.
it appeard in “republican land” you can start anew each day and what was said in the past doesn’t count, especially if it is inconvenient.
Vice President Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03:
We know that based on intelligence that he has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He’s had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq’s concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing.
March 6th, 2006 at 10:12 amIn my view, it would appropriate for Think Progress to correct itself by saying that Cheney indeed said “nuclear programs”and then explain that Hinderaker’s parsing of the language is semantic posturing, since the White House demonstrably evoked the mushroom cloud time after time.
Every time we make an error like this, the wingnuts puff themselves up with another layer of self-righteousness. It’s absurd that we have to watch the language this closely ourselves, but it’s what we have to do.
It has happened to me several times that wingnuts have made allegations of this sort and they turned out to be right and I end up playing a game of “Yes but.” I find that Media Matters too often doesn’t follow up on stories or plays a very similar game to Hiderakers.
George Lakoff, the linguist, is very astute about the role of language in the conservative take-over, by the way.
March 6th, 2006 at 10:17 am[...] John Hinderaker of Powerline has responded to my post last night. An excerpt: One of the dimmest of the dimwitted left-wing web sites has tried to respond to this post… Sadly, I think a great many liberals are this stupid. Worse, I think that many liberals–like the proprietor of the hate site…are so far gone in hatred of President Bush that everything they say and do is said and done in bad faith. Like Jack Murtha, they have lost any ability to distinguish truth from fiction, and any desire to do so. [...]
March 6th, 2006 at 10:31 amI used to work with an old Green Beret who was fond of saying:” some people are like a duck,they wake up to a whole new world every five minutes.”
“Nuff said.”
March 6th, 2006 at 10:50 amCorrect the record? After he went to all that trouble to falsify it? That just wouldn’t be polite, now would it?
March 6th, 2006 at 10:51 amIn the run up to the War, Bush himself said on National Television, that Saddam had up to 20 nuclear weapons poised to take out targets in the US.
This led to damage control by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Davis and others who characterized this as an unfortuante exageration.
Funny how short memories are for so many. But as we know, people think emotionally, not logically about politics and quickly forget unpleasant information.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/29/AR2006012900642.html
March 6th, 2006 at 10:55 amTHERE IS SOMETHING WE ALL CAN DO ABOUT THESE LOUDMOUTHS!!!
Go to Ted Rall’s website and pledge (no money yet) a donation for Ted’s slander and libel case against Mann Coulter. Give a buck, give ten, but relish in the fact that you are making a direct contribution to the barrel of STFU that Mann is gonna get dumped on her life!
He’s past $21,000 and well on his way to filing suit. Spread the word all over the blogosphere. First Coulter, then rush, o’lielly, the savage weiner, assrocket and the rest…hahaha!
http://tedrall.com/rants.html – excerpt:
“My lawyers and I will determine later this week whether we have received sufficient pledges to pursue a libel and slander case against Ann Coulter for her statement, first issued verbally at the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) meeting in Washington on February 10, where she falsely said that I had submitted cartoons to Iran’s anti-Holocaust cartoon contest, a claim that she repeated in her nationally syndicated column on February 15.
I have not entered, nor do I intend to enter, this contest.
Coulter and her fellow conservatives frequently use this tactic. Rather than express an opinion (”The Iran cartoon contest is just the sort of thing you’d expect Ted Rall to enter!”) they up the ante to actual libel and slander by saying that it’s actually true. It’s a vile, illegal tactic–but unless someone challenges it in court, it will continue to be deployed against patriotic liberals, Democrats and political progressives of all stripes. After all, these are the same people who smeared war hero Max Cleland as a coward. And it works–mainly because Democrats don’t fight back.“
March 6th, 2006 at 10:57 amHinderaker is attacking ThinkProgress and calling the posters on here “Dimwitted” and “Stupid” > the extreme far-right are hate-filled fascists and their rants prove it!
March 6th, 2006 at 11:05 amCommentary…
I’m not normally one to defend Powerline, but this has got to be the worst fact-check ever. Amazingly, it’s being approvingly linked by various lefties. …
March 6th, 2006 at 11:08 amI don’t think Hinderaker– or the majority of right-wing posters– is insane.
I think he’s paid.
There’s a fascinating Pentagon press release illustrating just how far out of control the Psyops operation has spun. I blogged on it at Mercury Rising, but if you want to cut out the middleman, here’s the horse’s hind end.
When the Pentagon is telling you that they are paying people to go out and post on blogs, it takes very little imagination to figure out that maybe the GOP is doing the same.
March 6th, 2006 at 11:23 amWell, whatever credibility you might have had is pretty much gone. You’ve been busted for all to see.
That ought to make you left wing hero.
March 6th, 2006 at 11:32 amWhat do you expect from a creationist like Hindraker. Drooling superstitious freak!
March 6th, 2006 at 12:37 pm.
“Well, whatever credibility you might have had is pretty much gone. You’ve been busted for all to see.”
How exactly? Typical wingnut. Say some random thing and don’t back it up with anything.
March 6th, 2006 at 12:46 pmThink Pringress and Powerline fact off!…
Think Progress challenges Powerline to a fact off. Far be it from me to pile on, but I can’t let this one go. Thinkprogress,org found a significant portion of their information from a report by the Brookings Institute. I have…
March 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pmHmmm. Hindrocket, Coulter, Novak, etc. have to work a LOT harder as the *’s approval ratings drop. Do they demand more pay for the “hard work”? Hope they read this, they’re fools if they corrode their soul telling th *’s lies without being paid a lot more to do so.
March 6th, 2006 at 1:36 pmJust thinking aloud. Guckert/Gannon probably gets paid a lot to keep his mouth shut, but he has some special talents.
Propagandists make their hits, the rubes believe and Rove is happy. Blogs like this are turning the tables.
-Ev
Hinderaker and the partisans who defend him are just victims of their partisan brains – poor things. Here’s an exercept from the recent study conducted by Emory University which proved ‘partisan brains don’t think’:
March 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pm
John and Judd and Dick and Jack…
Bush afficionado John Hinderaker of Powerline (who never met a Bush policy he didn’t love) is fighting a two-front war……
March 6th, 2006 at 2:26 pmI don’t know that he is nuts – but he cannot distinguish truth from lies. He distorts and misrepresents facts when making his false points. He is dangerous because people believe him – but that is one of the prices we pay for freedom of speech. Unfortunately, his lies are propaganda for the administration that is determined to limit if not destroy freedom of speech for those who do not agree with them.
March 6th, 2006 at 2:50 pmHe is being used by Bush&Co but he can’t see that yet — he will when they have no further use for him. Perhaps that day will come when there is a backlash against the likes of
him, along with A. Coulter, P. Robertson, B. O’Reilly, as they become a mockery of pundits in the public eye. Their outrageous and unsubstantiated claims are being ridiculed more frequently of late, and when these fools like Hinderaker are of no value, they will be tossed away.
I seem to recall someone in the administration saying that Saddam was 6 months away from having a nuclear weapon. Can anyone find that quote?
March 6th, 2006 at 2:58 pmThe function of the anus is to pass human offal so it doesn’t rot and destroy the body. Otherwise, anus is a much abused term that misses the above point altogether. The problem with human offal, if you live in rural China, is that it has some virtue in terms of boosting the production of the fields.
Here in America, it mostly resides in Washington, D.C., with some outposts in the various media. There is no virtue there.
March 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmMy email to JH:
Dear Mr Hinderaker,
I’m a little curious about your reporting on Powerline and whether you are able to reason. Do you only attack the messenger or can you also garner facts and use persuasion?
I’m a member of the military and I happen to agree with Congressman Murtha. You see he is correct and is using well established facts to back up his arguments. Can you do the same?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/05/is-john-hinderaker-nuts/
Thank you,
Steve Bremner, Maj, USAF
March 6th, 2006 at 3:43 pmThere was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Your quote about there being no link is out of context … and I think you know it.
The quote you provided was saying that Iraq didn’t help directly with the 9/11 attacks … which is what the 9/11 commission was looking into.
But saying that Iraq and Al Qaeda didn’t have a link is idiocy.
March 6th, 2006 at 4:09 pmhttp://www.washtimes.com/national/20031201-123723-4738r.htm
Danny,
March 6th, 2006 at 4:56 pmAl Qaeda has as much a link with the USA as it did with Iraq. After all, the 9-11 hijackers took their flight training here, several even in Jeb Bush’s state of Florida. And the Washington Times is a joke.
Judd scores another one for propaganda. When your lies are uncovered… just go back to repeating the same lies! Brilliant work. When we show how you take things out of context, and then you take things out of context again to try and prove you are right, you only end up looking like a complete tool, Judd.
Let’s go through these one by one, AGAIN:
1. Cheney said outside of where you snipped that Iraq could possibly acquire nuclear weapons. So obviously Cheney can’t be claiming that Iraq both has nukes and that they might some day get them. It’s wonderful that you took what he said out of context to fool your blind readers once again. Others are not as easily fooled.
2. VoA said “30 to 60 percent”, and most estimates put it lower than that. Saying it is 60% is misleading and/or false.
3. If you can’t see the discrepancy between “only 30% of people getting water” and 71% that “rarely have safe, clean water”, I just can’t help you guys. It’s misleading and false.
4. 82% of Iraqis are opposed to us being there, but if you looked at another poll question, it says that only 26% of Iraqis want the USA to leave right now.
5. A “collaborative relationship” is not the same as a “connection”. Why must we always have to sludge through the same tired points again and again? I have a connection with many people in my life, that doesn’t mean I have a collaborative relationship with them all. Thus, alleging a “connection” between al Qaeda and Saddam is not the same as alleging a “collaborative relationship”. Stop spinning it.
I see you didn’t manage to spin the other 4 lies Murtha came up with during his screed, and I bet your readers won’t really care to know about them either. Unfortunate really.
When you defend statements that are so obviously false on their face, that you have to go taking things out of context to support them, it is just pathetic and childish.
It’s OK to admit that Murtha is not telling the truth. Go find another hero to hide behind. Oh. Right, Murtha was your only luck at credibility since he’s a veteran. Darn. Better luck next time.
March 6th, 2006 at 5:56 pmWake up! This administration has been about ONE THING and one thing only. The religious right agenda, the wars-for-oil, the subversion of the media, etc …all smokescreens. This administration only took power to do one thing: TO TRANSFER THE PUBLIC WEALTH OF THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD INTO PRIVATE HANDS.
March 6th, 2006 at 7:15 pmThis admin has been straight-arrow loot-and-pillage on an epic scale. If Guiness had a world record book of crime, this is it, folks, the crime of the millenia. The wealth of the wealthiest country has already been looted, robbed and diverted from public coffers and banked in the accounts of private contractors, armament industries, communication and energy companies, favorite drug companies (what do you think the Medicare change was about?) and private buddy corporations during the last 5 years.
What’s truly horrifying is is wasn’t just the surplus the admin inherited or revenue from the last 5 years. This deficit will have our kids and grandkids enslaved and endebted throughout their lifetimes. The services designed for their benefit have been and will be cut to fix this ‘money problem.’ That’s a killer coup, eh? Not just to steal the money, but to steal it in such a way that an entire nation will work 2-1/2 lifetimes, with far fewer safety nets, to try and replace it. And then to set up a bunch of new tax cuts for the wealthiest (ie: the beneficiaries of all our public money) that insures they and theirs will never have to be responsible for paying back any of it!
Period. That’s what all about, the erupting scandals, Bush never vetoeing a bill, that’s why we went to war. It’s all about the money.
We’ve all been hosed, by leaders who haven’t hesistated to leave 3 generation of American tax payers naked and bleeding on the ground, and 1000s of people dead and bleeding in the sands of the Middle East. (1000s so far. Just watch…this has been too much fun for them, like taking candy from a baby, can’t turn the war milk cow into hamburger yet.)
It’s too late. We’re all screwed and they’re rich beyond a glutton’s wettest dream. They stole America’s money. We let them. It’s gone.
Better wake up before the administration finally figures out how to transfer Social Security — the last, vast, untapped oil field of federal and public monies — into the pockets of the brokerage house.
There is one thing and one thing alone that speaks more about a blog’s grasp on reality than anything else – does it have a public comments section?
Blogs that do not have comments, have a reason for it. Powerline, Michelle Malkin, etc. the biggies don’t have comments sections. The only way you can point out their idiocy is by naming them in your own blog, thus increasing their page rank.
March 6th, 2006 at 7:28 pmcasey,
Power Line, Malkin, and Instapundit do not have comments because the proprietors don’t want to wade through insane amounts of name-calling, bashing, smearing, and all that wonderfulness. Joshua Marshall has no comments. DailyKos has them, but you have to actually register at the site, and you have to wait 24 hours to post a comment.
The commenters at DailyKos and LGF are pretty similar in their partisanship, which is mostly due to the way in which registrations are done, and the fact that any heavy dissenters are tossed out.
I have something planned to alleviate the problem you speak of, though. Hopefully I will be able to materialize it.
March 6th, 2006 at 8:18 pmSeixon,
March 6th, 2006 at 10:37 pmI guess things must be hunky-dory in Iraq. Thanks for setting us straight. Your math is the same as Bush used when he told us he would take care of the national debt using targeted tax cuts.
Oh my gosh. Isn’t it cute when they actually try to use statistics to make an argument and then get all frustrated when they think you are just taking things out of context and spinnning.
This must be a sign of desperation. Can anyone ever remember them caring about the facts before we went into war? The facts don’t scare us you morons . . . In fact, let’s declassify every damn thing that’s not a bonefide national security issue and then hash it all out. On the left we will brace for four or five corrections or apologies and on the right you can get ready for the war crimes tribunal. Cute little bastards.
March 7th, 2006 at 4:22 amRedleg,
Way to see things in black and white my friend. No, things are not hunky-dory in Iraq, but that doesn’t mean you can just make up a bunch of BS. Obviously things aren’t bad enough in Iraq as they are since you keep having to exaggerate and lie about it. Why not just stick to the facts?
We are making progress in some areas, doing poorly in others. Try to put a little color in your black and white world.
March 7th, 2006 at 1:10 pmSeixon,
Save the platitudes for someone who cares. We damn well ought to be making more progress in Iraq, considering that we have spent hundreds of billions of dollars there. Perhaps if Bush actually had a feasible plan for winning the peace things would be going better- so much for expecting good judgment from the feckless turd.
The problem is that the insurgency is becoming more vigorous and destructive and is undoing many of the infrastructure repairs we have made. Staying there will only make matters worse- we must leave Iraq.
March 7th, 2006 at 1:32 pm“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” –Cicero, 42 B.C.E.
March 7th, 2006 at 8:39 pmOh crap. Now they want us to see shades of grey, stop using BS and stick to facts.
Next comes seas boiling and rocks melting. Let’s see did I lock the screen door? Check. Send back Netflix? Check. Kiss ass goodbye? Check.
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March 11th, 2006 at 12:31 am[...] Murtha’s latest apparent crime against America is his vocal calls for an open and honest accounting of what happened in Haditha, Iraq on November 19, 2005. John Hinderaker calls the alleged slaughter of over 20 unarmed Iraqi men, women, and children, “a very bad news story,” and like, Gaius of Blue Crab Boulevard, wishes Murtha would just shut up about the whole thing. Like Dan Riehl, these commentators slam Murtha as a “a cheap political hack.” Apparently, in their view, Murtha is trying to use the events in Haditha as “a political football” for his own partisan purposes. [...]
May 29th, 2006 at 11:18 pmLike all good soldiers, John Murtha should just fade away.
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