Conservative State Rep. Blasts Racist Email To Colleagues
Conservative State Rep. Blasts Racist Email To Colleagues
Colorado State Rep. Jim Welker (R) blasted an email to his colleagues containing “an essay written by someone else that accused ‘welfare-pampered blacks’ of waiting for the government to save them from Hurricane Katrina.” A excerpt from that essay, written by the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson:
President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks. Had New Orleans’ black community taken action, most would have been out of harm’s way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.
Welker forwarded the essay “without comment.” Here is his defense:
“Some of my best friends are of different skin color, like Ed Jones,” said Welker, referring to Sen. Jones, a Colorado Springs Republican who is black.
According to Jones, “he and Welker are friends, but not best friends.”
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March 10th, 2006 at 12:29 pmGotta love the old stand by of “Some of my best friends are [insert race/relgion here that you are offending].”
Just curious. Even if what was in the essay was true, how does being moral save you from 150 mph winds and floods?
I’m pretty sure that hurricanes are non-denominational.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:30 pmOrder Jones and Welker matching BFF amulets, STAT!
March 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pm“Man, yoo doo not knowww JIM!!”
March 10th, 2006 at 12:36 pmit’s statements like that that the republicans use to dig themselves a hole. keep em coming.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:37 pmThis is part of the reason that Colorado is fast becoming a blue state.
Get ready for the neutron bomb of elections folks. The GOP can not lose either house, even if it means provoking an all out civil/cultural war in America.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:39 pmJudd – please explain how that is racist? It is an opinion. Does not equate to lynching. You, my friend, are the race baiting one.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:40 pmReminds me of a comedians joke (forget who it was):
Some guy in Florida Keys bet he could withstand the force of a hurricane so he strap himself onto a palm tree. (laughter) This guy forgot one rule – It’s not THAT the wind is blowing, it’s WHAT the wind is blowing.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe Black people did not have cars to get out of new Orleans. The Federal government should of got large buses to get these people out of the way. This is FEMA and old Bushie fault. Old Bushie knew that this was going to be a bad hurrican. It was more important to eat birthday cake and play a gutiar. Bushie does not care about the American people.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:44 pm#7 grow up
March 10th, 2006 at 12:45 pmi love all the lurkers here… i guess they think that by lurking here and baiting folks with incendiary comments they’re going to change people’s minds OR open a debate. OR are the lurkers only trying to “score points” with a drive by blast of conservative “commentary” – you know conservative commentary: how to talk to a liberal if you have to.
compassionate conservatism: there’s nothing wrong with what this guy said – there’s something wrong with the people who think there’s something wrong with what this guy said. racists thoughts aren’t wrong! thinking that racist thoughts and words are wrong is the problem.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:49 pmHey NeD, for the record, lynching isn’t the FIRST sign of racism. What a dolt; go shave.
March 10th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#11 Coming here, they just look desperate, paid or both. They usually aren’t very bright and only have their 12 or so talking points. If you’ve read on troll post, you have pretty much read them all.
Again, it is very telling of their desperation. And really, I would rather have them here as opposed to trying to get their “message” out. I am all for republican trolls wasting their time.
Right NeD?
March 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI think it tosses the proverbial racist hot potato back into the realm of one step removed. It is a tactic used by the right to introduce a statement surrounded by questionable comments. Look at what the supporting quote is , President Bush….mentions the President and continues with he is not to blame. Then the inflamatory comments come as an issue blatent to Mr. Jackson but who is he addressing? Tis administration is counter everything so this to me is just a Bill Bennett style distraction to help nail a phrase in everyone’s mind. Subversive to the nth degree. Even the way it’s presented for us it is the clincher comment.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pmJudd – please explain how that is racist? It is an opinion. Does not equate to lynching. You, my friend, are the race baiting one.
Seriously? Here, read it again. First, though:
racist: n. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks.
This is making a sweeping generality about an entire group of people and applying a unflattering (at best) attribute to them. Or if you’d prefer, a prejudiced belief that blacks are inferior in their morality.
Had New Orleans’ black community taken action, most would have been out of harm’s way.
I won’t put up a fight here. Yup, if they had got out of New Orleans, they wouldn’t have died or been hurt. That’s obvious. If I shoot myself in the leg with a gun, I will have a limp. That’s obvious, too.
But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.
But here we go again. Right back to making a derogatory statement about an entire group of people based on race. Hence racist.
Curious, Mr. Liberals are Lying Bigots, what’s the neo-conservative’s definition of racist?
March 10th, 2006 at 1:01 pmWho also thinks liberals-r-l-b ought to be booted as an out and out troll?
I see an ocean of hands shoot up across the globe… No Wait! Some of the aliens in Cheyenne Mountain are raising their hands too! It’s Universal!
Dude, you are a troll of the highest order. Take a bow and hit the trail.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:01 pmI don’t know where to post this, but it needs saying so pardon me being off topic. Original story here: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2006/03/09/news_6145659.html?part=rss&tag=gs_&subj=6145659
Right. Here is the precise heart of the problem. You see, the Democrats seem to have this basic lack of understanding in that the games market has grown up a fair bit. You see, the average gamer is nowadays, of voting age and this sort of thing leads the average gamer to thinking “What a bunch of wankers.”
I mean crap, this is the same sort of lame-brained hysteria mongering as that which was lobied against Dungeons and Dragons in the eighties. We, the gaming public have heard it all before, and we frankly are sick to death of this shit. Stop trying to be weak kneed conservatives and start thinking like liberals, because this is the precise sort of thing that gives people like Limbaugh ammunition when accusing liberals of being anti-freedom.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:03 pmHe likes him, but he doesn’t LIKE him-like him. Sounds like 7th grade girls talking.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:06 pmHey guys – What is a good right wing blog to visit?
I have never been to one and would like to see what they actually talk about.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:08 pm#7 – Stunning ignorance.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:09 pm#15 – using divisive language and inciting race to keep votes rather than provide solutions. Insulting your base that votes for you – for instance, claiming they weren’t smart enough to figure out how to vote on a certain ballot. AND insisting that a specific group of people’s only hope for success is with govt help. Help, which of course, is never going to be enough. (As seen in Katrina).
March 10th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#7: obviously, you have no sense of what constitutes racism. Here’s an idea: get an education.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#22 – The left doesn’t care about race. They care about USING race. If they cared so much about black people, they would have picked at least ONE to be on the presidential ticket at some point in the past twenty years.
AND your support for blacks is conditional – don’t dare veer off the liberal plantation or you will be smeared as an Uncle Tom or in Condi’s case – an Aunt Tomasina. So don’t talk to me about race – you only understand it in terms of scoring cheap, recycled political points.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:23 pmWWJD? Burn a cross in someones yard… then fly a plane into a building …then pass a law saying all women must be clothed head to foot in black.. then pass a law saying they go to jail for having sex outside of marriage… then pass a law that would put a woman in prison for having an abortion… WWJD indeed…
March 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pmI love it when these pols say these things. I mean don’t they have a staff that would bind and gag someone like this before they are able to release this crap? So funny and sad at the same time. You can only fake who you are for a while before it catches up to you.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pm#23 – Last time looked ass-wipe, ya’ll have been in power 12 of the last 20 years. Hypocrite.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pmZoomoron – I didn’t realize you had to be in power to nominate a black man or woman to the top of your ticket.
Face it – you’re a bigot. You laughed at Stephanie Tubb Jones at the beginning of Fahrenheit 9/11 like everyone else.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:28 pm#21
using divisive language and inciting race to keep votes rather than provide solutions.
We didn’t use the divisive language. That was one of your guys. A democrat didn’t forward that essay. A GOPer did. So, a Republican used divisive language and incited race to more or less GIVE votes to the Democrat. Thanks, man!
AND insisting that a specific group of people’s only hope for success is with govt help. Help, which of course, is never going to be enough. (As seen in Katrina).
Your irrational conservative mind confuses me. You think people were hurt by the government’s lack of response after Katrina. But in other posts here at TP, you staunchly defend the government and say people should lay off them.
Which position are you taking this hour?
My head hurts.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:31 pm#27 – Face it – you’re a bigot. You laughed at Stephanie Tubb Jones at the beginning of Fahrenheit 9/11 like everyone else.
Actually I was crying in shame for my country. Try to get her name right, will you? Dismissed.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:36 pmThe left doesn’t care about race.
You’re right. We don’t.
They care about USING race.
Nope, we just choose to not ignore people not the same color as us.
If they cared so much about black people, they would have picked at least ONE to be on the presidential ticket at some point in the past twenty years.
How many non-white, non-male, non-Christians have been on the Republican ticket? Ever?
AND your support for blacks is conditional – don’t dare veer off the liberal plantation or you will be smeared as an Uncle Tom or in Condi’s case – an Aunt Tomasina.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone here call Condi Rice a Uncle Tom. We tend to look at the person’s position and political viewpoints separately from skin color. I disagree with Condi’s view points. The fact that she is a black woman is inconsequential to me.
We also don’t group entire people together based upon a single personal trait. I don’t agree with Joe Lieberman most of the time, and I think Al Sharpton is a little out there, but that doesn’t mean I dislike all Jewish people or African-American preachers.
So don’t talk to me about race – you only understand it in terms of scoring cheap, recycled political points.
Kinda like conservatives and the religous/moral angle, eh?
Truth hurt, don’t it?
Worry about the plank sticking out of your eye before you point out the splinter in mine.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:39 pmZoolander – you should have been crying for your party. The congressional black caucus made fools of themselves. Thankfully, the MSM never reported or it would have further embarassed and damaged the Democratic Party.
You folks talk about race in sheerly political terms. Why not look to someone like Lynn Swann, Michael Steele or even Obama to talk about issues that affect ALL Americans? Because you want to score cheap points.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:41 pmCurious, Mr. Liberals are Lying Bigots, what’s the neo-conservative’s definition of racist?
Comment by bobcat_grad
Conservative Racism:
Disagreement with or questioning ones inferiority to white southern baptist or evangelical men. Pretending one American is equal with all other Americans. Calling a spade a spade. Refusing to sell out your own country to foreign powers. Liberal. Ben Franklin. George Washington. Thomas Jefferson. Liberty. All religions not evangelical christian or jewish (until god destroys the jews and gives the holy land to the evangelicals).
March 10th, 2006 at 1:43 pmDoes anyone here wonder why FEMA was able to handle previous huricanes in 2004 and prior with little or at least unheard problems? Surely, Katrina was not the first storm to hit an impovished area in this country and yet they seem to have no idea on how to help themselves. The real difference between the people affected in New Orleans and the rest of the country is the entitlement society created by years and years of democratic leadership. They feel the govenment has to fix their problems while they sit back and relax. Am I right?
March 10th, 2006 at 1:46 pmHey guys – What is a good right wing blog to visit?
I have never been to one and would like to see what they actually talk about.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
There are lots …just type in Hillary in google ..lots will come up I am sure. Just dont post. They ban you as soon as you say ANYTHING that is not exactly what they want to hear.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:50 pmAND your support for blacks is conditional – don’t dare veer off the liberal plantation or you will be smeared as an Uncle Tom or in Condi’s case – an Aunt Tomasina. So don’t talk to me about race – you only understand it in terms of scoring cheap, recycled political points.
Comment by Liberals are Lying Bigots
Look up the civil war and the civil rights era… your kind were murderering blacks… our kind was being murdered along side blacks for trying to help them.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:53 pmOMG – #24 please tell me that was sarcasm. Florida would have never survived without the help of the government. Even Jeb was pissed off at FEMA following the hurricane that hit Florida in September.
There is one big difference – where Katrina hit there were poor african americans – not the rich white folk in Florida.
Also – think back to 2002 when Georgie flew down to Florida immediately following the storm. Needed to assure the white folk didn’t jump ship!
March 10th, 2006 at 1:53 pmOpps, meant 33
March 10th, 2006 at 1:53 pmDoes anyone here wonder why FEMA was able to handle previous huricanes in 2004 and prior with little or at least unheard problems?
Yup. But I know the answer. FEMA previously was a flat organization purposely designed for flexibility to be able to adapt to disasters quickly. That’s the way it was organized under Clinton. Then GW decided that FEMA no longer was independent, didn’t need it’s Cabinet level position, and deserved to be subjugated to the largest federal organization ever put together: Homeland Security Department.
Now, instead of being able to make snap decisions, a beuracratic chain of command had to be followed for every decision. Great example of Republican small-government at work, right?
Surely, Katrina was not the first storm to hit an impovished area in this country and yet they seem to have no idea on how to help themselves.
Guess what? All the white people (yes, there are white people in New Orleans, too, Repbulicans) were in the same situation. That situation being: massive flooding, disease, no food, no drinking water, death, loss of home, loss of property, etc. Dang them for not pulling up their bootstraps and helping themselves.
The real difference between the people affected in New Orleans and the rest of the country is the entitlement society created by years and years of democratic leadership. They feel the govenment has to fix their problems while they sit back and relax.
So, because of that we should let the float in their own filth and condemn them for not being able to escape a Category 4 hurricaine? And if Democrats didn’t want to help them, what would become of them and their children?
I’m still waiting for the compassionate Christian value of wanting to help the unfortunate and downtrodden to show. Most neo-conservatives talk a good game when it comes to God and compassion, but have a tough time applying it to real life.
Unless they’re being compassionate to people just like them, of course.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#35 – actually, it was my kind who went to war over slavery. Remember that Lincoln guy? I am sure the modern day left would have just compared him to Hitler or b*tched about how ending slavery would ruin the economy.
AND slavery was unfortunately, popular. Just like abortion is today and I see what side liberals are on. They’re just not real people to you.
March 10th, 2006 at 1:58 pmno,bill, you’re wrong…
March 10th, 2006 at 2:00 pmbesides the undeniable fact that so many of n.o. victims were poor and black – katrina had the unfortunate gall to strike during an OFF-election year…
hmmmmmm…
Does anyone here wonder why FEMA was able to handle previous huricanes in 2004 and prior with little or at least unheard problems? Surely, Katrina was not the first storm to hit an impovished area in this country and yet they seem to have no idea on how to help themselves. The real difference between the people affected in New Orleans and the rest of the country is the entitlement society created by years and years of democratic leadership. They feel the govenment has to fix their problems while they sit back and relax. Am I right?
Comment by Bill
No you are wrong. They were poor. Entitlement has nothing to do with it. They were poor. Poor people often just pray for the best because that is all they got. I know. I grew up poor. When we had a major ice storm here in Indiana my family didnt go rent a room at a hotel. We just struggled to get by until water and electricity worked again.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:00 pmSurely, Katrina was not the first storm to hit an impovished area in this country and yet they seem to have no idea on how to help themselves.
One last point on this issue, Bill.
If you were in the in New Orleans when Katrina hit, can you honestly say that you wouldn’t have accepted any government aid (if it showed up) and would have fended for yourself? Or would you have been happy to accept assistence since your entire life was turned upside down?
Oh, and you can’t use the “Well, I wouldn’t have been in New Orleans” cop out. A lot of people wanted out, but couldn’t. Pretend your empathetic and put yourself in someone else’s shoes.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:01 pmKaty – yes, Karl Rove planned a Cat 5 for an off year election. Sounds like you’ve been shooting up with RFK jr.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pm#39 you are buffoon. I have no idea where evil bastards like you come from. Hateful, racist piece of rat sh!t cowardly fascist describes you.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pmmoron. Go serve your master in Iraq.
Liberals Are Lying Bigots you need to stop with all these wild ass generalizations like
March 10th, 2006 at 2:06 pm“Democrats would have compared Lincoln to Hitler”
First off, Hitler wouldn’t even exist as an infamous character for, oh, nearly a century.
Secondly, many of the people protesting for black rights were, gasp Democrats. Belonging to a political party doesn’t mean you agree with everything that is being done by them. But its a lot easier to see everything in black and white with the noble Northern All-Republican army defeating the scum-of-the-earth Southern All-Democrat party. And the South, the land that used to be solidly Democrat over race and social issues is now solidly, overwhelmingly Republican. Over race and social issues. Its called the Southern Strategy, might want to look it up.
#35 – actually, it was my kind who went to war over slavery. Remember that Lincoln guy? I am sure the modern day left would have just compared him to Hitler or b*tched about how ending slavery would ruin the economy.
AND slavery was unfortunately, popular. Just like abortion is today and I see what side liberals are on. They’re just not real people to you.
Comment by Liberals are Lying Bigots
No the republicans back then were not “your kind”. Back then “lefties” were screaming bloody murder about “your kind” in the south enslaving other human beings… you know those weak wristed liberals that love other human beings… yep those people. The conservatives in the south were the ones that were doing the enslaving. Remember the Republican party lost its “we love everybody” kind of people to the democratic party after the civil rights era… and the democrats lost the “KKK” after the civil rights era to the republicans…. just like how Thomas Jefferson used to call himself a republican…but that was a differnt people then.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:06 pmactually, it was my kind who went to war over slavery.
Yup. For the South.
Remember that Lincoln guy?
Yup. A man of principle and integrity. Nothing like the Republican party of 2006.
I am sure the modern day left would have just compared him to Hitler or b*tched about how ending slavery would ruin the economy.
Ummm… the liberal North wanted to end slavery. The racist, conservative South wanted to keep it. Go read your history books again, kiddo.
AND slavery was unfortunately, popular.
… among the racist, conservative, slave owning Southerners.
Just like abortion is today and I see what side liberals are on.
Apples and oranges, dude. Apples and oranges.
They’re just not real people to you.
Using that logic, women just aren’t real people to you. Cause you’re telling them what to do with their uterus. If you don’t believe in abortion, fine, don’t have one.
Simple enough.
I don’t believe neo-conservatives should be allowed to discuss politics before taking a ten question current event quiz. But I’m not trying to make a constitutional ammendment to stop you from making an idiot of yourself.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:07 pmIdiot – also known as LALB – if it were an election year there would have been help, at least to Mississippi and Alabama, prior to the storm!
March 10th, 2006 at 2:07 pmBobcat
A quote from The Lord of the Rings (pg 565)
“In the language of Orthanc help means ruin, and saving means slaying that is plain.”
Tolkien could just as well have been speaking of the language employed by the neo-cons.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#42
The point I was making is that the typically democratic response to poverty or any problem for that matter is bigger government, more bureaucracy. Tell me what the 40+ year war on poverty has been doing for any of these people in New Orleans? What has made this country great for the last 230+ years is the opportunity to succeed, but you have to work for it. I don’t want the govenment giving handouts year after year after year. Yes, I am a compassionate person and yes I do donate money to this cause and that cause. But, where you see trading votes for government programs, I rather grow the free market and let it take care of poverty.
What has all of this blame game done to help the people in New Orleans? If you honestly cared about them, you would be volunteering to work with Habitat for Humanity building homes like I am. You are just a political hack and frankly you disgust me.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#44 – I have no idea where hateful, ignorant, bigoted and anti-American people like you come from. Go serve your master in IRan.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:15 pmI LOVE is when people use the phrase “some of my best friends are [insert noun]” or variations thereof, with which to preface what inevitably follows — insults, denigration, and belittling, and actions which show direct sentiments against said “group”.
When you have “best friends [of a] different skin color” you don’t preface your comments by pointing that fact out, because you don’t take actions and say things that cause harm to those friends just because of their different skin color. It’s doublespeak, so typical of politicians and also uneducated, unworldly types who live in isolated communities.
It’s a way of saying, “This will hurt you more than it hurts me and I’m only doing it for your own good.” It’s a way of saying, “I have to convince people that even though what I’m about to do is not for anyone’s good, but I need to convince the other people that I still need their votes come election day.”
If someone really does have “different” friends, they don’t need to say that they do, because they don’t go out and do things that specifically hurt those types of people. Just because you once “met” a “different” person, or work with a “different” person, or know of a “different” person, or live down the street from a “different” person, or have seen a “different” person portrayed on TV or in film, doesn’t mean you are friends with them.
Some of my best friends are Republicans. And boy are they some of the dumbest people I have ever known.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:15 pmIt disgusts me that our fellow Americans who suffered through the worst natural disaster in history are demeaned in this way. The hateful rhetoric being spewed about Katrina victims shames me as an American. These people didn’t line up to receive a hurricane handout. Their only crime was to live in an area that was hit by a category 5 hurricane. How dare they!
The victims of Katrina are of all races, but those you see most are black people. Seeing those black faces on television has caused some closet racists to expose themselves. Instead of doing everything to help our fellow man as we have done after other disasters some have chosen to point fingers at the victims of the storm. Why would they do that? What reason could they have for turning a blind eye to those that have suffered? The reason is racism. Giving any type of assistance to black people is just out of the question for some. They have automatically assumed that everyone in the 9th ward was on welfare. IT IS A LIE. Many in the 9th ward were working poor that actually owned their homes. It may not have been much, but it was theirs. They worked, paid taxes and contributed to their communitites. Now they have nothing, but I guess they deserve it for living while black in New Orleans.
If you think like a neocon, then you believe that this has been planned for years. Black people in NO knew that a hurricane would eventually destroy their way of life, so they plotted and schemed to get in on the hurricane handouts. Forget that they’ve lost loved ones, homes, property, jobs and whole communities all they want is a check. People who think like this are sick and I hope they are never affected by a natural disaster.
Entitlement my left ass cheek. A debit card with $2,000 on it doesn’t go a long way in helping to replace real life losses. How hard must your heart be to come up with racist reasons not to help your fellow man? The next time a hurricane roars through West Palm Beach, I guess I’ll have to wonder why all of those lazy, shiftless white people didn’t leave and I will raise hell if my government rushes in to offer “handouts” and “entitlements”. Is this really 2006?
March 10th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#50 and #51 – why do you come to this site? Do you really believe that you will change anyone’s mind? Or is it the insults you enjoy receiving? Does that make you fell better about being so narrowminded?
March 10th, 2006 at 2:19 pmTo the Liberals are Lying Bigots:
March 10th, 2006 at 2:20 pmI have no idea where hateful, ignorant, bigoted and anti-American people like you come from. Go serve your master in Hell.
#55 – I am making headway with you!!! You admitted to believin in hell!!!
March 10th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI am certain that anywhere you are is hell on earth.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmThe lying Bigot obviously has no sense of history does he? His kind went to war over slavery? Who or what are his kind? We most certainly did not go to war over slavery. The south succedded from the union because of Lincoln and his views on Slavery. Lincoln went to war to preserve the union. The Emancipation proclimation only freed slaves in the south in areas under southern control. Thus states like Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri were spared the agony of having to decide betwween their slaves and the country. Shit I learned that much in third grade, yet lying bigot has no clue. Maybe Lying Bigot could try visiting the Lincoln Museum and learn these things. But I’ll guess he is one of the people who sued the museum because they did not make lincoln conservative enough. He levied income taxes? Favored strong central government over the rights of states? Used the power of the federal government to right a social wrong? Sounds like a damned liberal to me, lets sue before we change the laws restricting frivolous lawsuits!
The response to Katrina was differne from the responses to previous hurricanes in Florida for one main reason, it was 2005 and not an election year, and Louisiana is not a swing state either. If you are cynical you might say the response had to do with race or was crappy as a means of political payback because Nagin no longer supported Bush and the guv was a dem. You might also think that the response was poor so that the republicans could do their social engineering with New Orleans. I’m not that cynical, I think the response was inept because the administration is inept and the only thing they do well is wreck things be it Iraq, or FEMA they can wreck almost anything in record time.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI silently read your posts on this blog, you lying neo-con freak, and I know with no doubt in my mind that you walk in a cloud of hatred, you sleep in a bed of fear, and you haven’t the slightest idea of what Jesus said because you read only the neo-con’s handbook of war and aggression.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:28 pmWhen you meet your maker, be sure and explain how you deserve a cozier spot than everyone else by virtue of your race. I’m sure a nice warm place can be found. Asshole.
No, Jules, we understand that you must have a mind to change – and often that is lacking. Conservatives who come here view argument as sport – and we find you sooo amusing. But, really TP should thank us, for we make this site much more fun for progs. Without conservatives, this site would amount to:
March 10th, 2006 at 2:29 pma.) We hate GWShrub!!
b.) We HATE GWSHRUB, more!!!!!
c.) Conservatives are: greedy, stupid, superstitious, selfish, racist, homophobic, and mean!!
d.) Conservatives are: GREEDY, STUPID, SUPERSTITIOUS, SELFISH, RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, AND MEANNNNN!!!!!!
e.) Yaaawwwwnnnnn…..Zzzzzzzzz…..zzzzzzzz……
51 – dead give away – it’s WALLACE !!!!! YAY!
March 10th, 2006 at 2:30 pmNeD, you are but an unfunny joke.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pmThe point I was making is that the typically democratic response to poverty or any problem for that matter is bigger government, more bureaucracy.
How’s GW doing on the whole “bigger government, more bureaucracy” thing? Cause it’s gotten worse under him, not better.
Tell me what the 40+ year war on poverty has been doing for any of these people in New Orleans?
Not possible. Nothing to compare it to. My time machine is broken, so I can’t go back in time 40 years ago and decided to not help those people less fortunate than me. But I’m thinking that TYRING to help (Democrats) is always better than CHOOSING not to (Republicans).
What has made this country great for the last 230+ years is the opportunity to succeed, but you have to work for it.
True statement. Just like GW had to work for it? I mean, he worked hard his whole life, right? It’s hard work to run so many companies into the ground.
Yes, hard work is a requirement in the race known as life. But the starting line is important, too. If you are poor and black, you’ve got a MUCH further way to reach the same goals as a privelged white kid growing up in the suburbs like me.
I don’t want the govenment giving handouts year after year after year.
Me either. I’m for limited welfare and assistence. You prove you are trying, you continue to get help. If your case shows you’ve stopped trying to improve your lot in life, well…. tough. You’ve got to want to help yourself first before I’ll offer my help.
Yes, I am a compassionate person and yes I do donate money to this cause and that cause.
GOP campaign funds are not ’causes.’ Sorry, couldn’t resist.
I applaud anyone’s effort to donate money to charity, but $100 here and there isn’t going to make any sweeping societal changes. Some government intervention is absolutely necessary.
But, where you see trading votes for government programs, I rather grow the free market and let it take care of poverty.
And let the current generation (and the few to follow) wallow in their filth.
Hey, tough on crime Republicans. More poverty = more crime. If you want to stop helping the poor, you better expect more crime. Idle hands….
What has all of this blame game done to help the people in New Orleans?
It’s keeping the focus on the poor response. It’s keeping the focus on the fact that lots of promises by the administration have been made with little follow through.
If you honestly cared about them, you would be volunteering to work with Habitat for Humanity building homes like I am.
I do. And have been for the past 12 years.
You are just a political hack and frankly you disgust me.
You are getting angry and will be unable to have an honest discussion while you are angry. Take a few minutes to calm down, and I’d be happy to still keep an open discourse with you.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:33 pmHey, Lying Bigot, I have a question for you or any of the Neocon republicans supporters. Bush continually talks about his christianity, his supporters continually bring it up as a point of their support. My question is…besides talking about his faith (mind you he does not go to church) what does Bush do in his actions and his policies that reflect Christ?
I’m only asking because your responses today are typical of rank and file republican responses to this sort of thing (i.e. make yourself the victim, blame the blacks and feign inginancy when confronted) Yet the rank and file seem to bring up the Bush/Christian thing so often. I find your response and actions not very christ like and was wondering how your policies and beliefs fit into your marketing.
Also please remember that the phrase “The lord helps those who help themselves” is not christian or based in the bible.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#54
March 10th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe mere fact that I would actually come here proves that I am not narrow minded. As for the insults I may receive, I am pretty thick-skinned so they don’t really bother me. Without a conservative voice to make you guys actually think about what you are saying, wouldn’t this be a pretty boring site?
oh, and i’m so glad you brought up rove – great segue…
March 10th, 2006 at 2:36 pman often forgotten fact, just pointed out by jonathan alter on franken, is that in october rove was designated to coordinate the katrina response…
heckuva job, carl!
It always strikes me as amazing how downright evil, a person has to be to blame the victims of Katrina for their current state.
Hell, look at all of those countries hit by the tsunami, did they stoop so low? This is the real shaming of America. Not the disaster, nor even the sluggish reaction to it, but this, blame being laid on the victims. America has changed, it’s soul has been polluted.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:39 pmExcuse me, mighty aphrodite, I take offense to your generalizations.
I don’t ever recall ever saying I hate Bush. I disagree with most of his ‘policies.’ But I don’t hate the man.
All of my posts here are framed within a debate. I respond to ‘points’ made by neo-conservatives and try to offer a little bit of humor here and there.
You seem to come here to insult.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:40 pmOMG – #60 – you totally chaged my mind! I agree with letters a through d. I am so glad we could change your mind!
March 10th, 2006 at 2:46 pm#54
The mere fact that I would actually come here proves that I am not narrow minded. As for the insults I may receive, I am pretty thick-skinned so they don’t really bother me. Without a conservative voice to make you guys actually think about what you are saying, wouldn’t this be a pretty boring site?
Comment by Bill
Not really. Most of us have been thinking for our entire lives… Some like myself and I think democratic soldier grew up backward and republican…then when we hit adolescents we began doing what the right never does… we began opening our minds to other truths besides what we are told in church… so we as a matter of principle question our own thoughts constantly because we know that NO MAN …including ourselves are above being wrong…something that needs to be taught in church…
March 10th, 2006 at 2:46 pm“No, Jules, we understand that you must have a mind to change – and often that is lacking. Mighty Hermaphrodite”
Psychologists say the unenlightened can only see their own flaws – and MightyTranny here proves that daily.
“Conservatives who come here view argument as sport – and we find you sooo amusing. Mighty Hermaphrodite”
You obviously go hunting with Cheney, because your aim sucks. There’s nothing ‘amusing’ about your fascist doctrine, or your idiotic delivery.
“But, really TP should thank us, for we make this site much more fun for progs. Without conservatives, this site would amount to: Mighty Hermaphrodite”
Is that along the same lines as abused spouses should thank their partners for making their lives spicy? Or maybe the tortured in Abu Ghraib should thank the soldiers for keeping their stay interesting? Or how about the victims of murders should thank their murderers for getting their names in the paper.
Sure moron, we should thank you for spreading lies, propaganda, hate and moronic nonsense. Your ‘value’ in the world is as much of a delusion as your beliefs are.
As for your little ReichRANT, lets flip the cards and demostrate Reichwingers like you for who they are.
“a.) We hate GWShrub!!”
We Reichwing Republicans Love GeezusWChrist
“b.) We HATE GWSHRUB, more!!!!!”
GeezusWChrist can screw up anything, and we’ll defend him.
“c.) Conservatives are: greedy, stupid, superstitious, selfish, racist, homophobic, and mean!!”
Don’t hate me because I’m greedy, stupid, superstitious, seflish, racist, homophobic, and mean – I was born that way, and it’s my right as an american Reichwinger!
“d.) Conservatives are: GREEDY, STUPID, SUPERSTITIOUS, SELFISH, RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, AND MEANNNNN!!!!!!”
And pointing out my flaws, I don’t know, or or want to know how hateful and evil I am. We CONServatives have a shared delusion, and you liberals must stop trying to make us live in reality.
“e.) Yaaawwwwnnnnn…..Zzzzzzzzz…..zzzzzzzz…… ”
Yep, Yawwnnn, republicans are as boring, tired, and stupid as they get. And yet in their own retarded they think they’re ’smart’ for their stupidity.
MightyHermaphrodite proves exactly the point. CONservatives argue out of ’sport’, which by the way is a sure sign of psychosis. They aren’t attempting conflict resolution, education, but merely attack for the purposes of inflicting injury or insult. MightyMoron, you’re an embarrassment to the human race, but you’re too retarded to know it. What a dingbat.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:47 pmLALB- You rode to school on the “short bus”, didn”t you? And you are certainly a liberally lying bigot.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:48 pmNot really. Most of us have been thinking for our entire lives… Some like myself and I think democratic soldier grew up backward and republican
Me, too. Gerald…. I’m sad to say, me, too.
I blame my Dad. I’m a recovering Catholic, as well.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:49 pmI am sorry bob #68 – I am just not as nice as you. I do hate him. I ask God for forgivness every night for not being able to tolerate this regime.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:49 pmbobcat,
MightyMoron doesn’t care if you don’t fit His/Her stereotype. The retard only comes here to attack liberals so he/she can justify living in hate and ignorance. MightyMoron is a just another loser – part of the faithful 400 stupid fat morons who showed up in washington last year to show their unshaken loyalty.
He/She posts the same ZZZZZZ boring rants about Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton on virtually a daily basis. He/She makes a bag of rocks look smart.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pm“I Hate Liberals because I was TOLD to hate them!” wrote:
“using divisive language and inciting race to keep votes rather than provide solutions.”
Yup, that’s the GOP tactic to a T.
“If they cared so much about black people, they would have picked at least ONE to be on the presidential ticket at some point in the past twenty years.”
And the Republicans had HOW many non-white Presidential condidates?
“You folks talk about race in sheerly political terms.”
And the Republicans NEVER talk about race in any form except to blame them for anything/everything. Go figure. Don’t forget, Sen. Thurmond changed from Democrat to Republican AFTER the Democrats embraced Civil Rights. Sen. Thurmond NEVER apologized for his racist past, or for being proud over his “filibustering the ‘nigra’ legislation.”
It’s the old racist members of the old Democratic party that moved to the new Republican party over the past 50 years. That is a fact you never seem to get around to covering. I wonder why?
I proudly served my country with my time in the US Army. Have you done that? I support the troops by NOT buying magnetic ribbons that were made in China, but by donating to the USO, and sending care packages to my friends serving in Afghanistan & Iraq, and buying them the armor that Sec. Rumsfeld can’t seem to come up with. How are YOU supporting the troops?
March 10th, 2006 at 2:53 pmHey, fellow TPers.
Don’t go down to the neo-conservative level and resort to name calling. They’re trying to bait you so they can show all their conservative, like-minded friends just how unreasonable liberals are.
Respond to their factless arguments with facts. Counter their baseless statements with facts. Point out their hypocrisy using analoogies.
And ignore their name calling. They’ll go away.
Like the one neo-conservative said, “Conservatives who come here view argument as sport – and we find you sooo amusing.” Show them that we prefer debate to explore the issues and come up with different approaches and solutions over arguing for sport’s sake. Don’t play their game.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:56 pm#60 –
“c.) Conservatives are: greedy, stupid, superstitious, selfish, racist, homophobic, and mean!!
d.) Conservatives are: GREEDY, STUPID, SUPERSTITIOUS, SELFISH, RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, AND MEANNNNN!!!!!!”
Wow! This is the first time I’ve agree’d with MA on anything!
Yes, I intentionally taken her comments out of context to make my point. The Con’s and ‘Phants always do this in order to slander their opponents, so it must be fine to use their tactics against them.
March 10th, 2006 at 2:57 pmHey Democrat Soldier,
The first half of my #28 and your #76 are on the same page.
Then again, you and I normally are on the same page.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#8 Reminds me of a comedians joke (forget who it was):
i think that was Carlin
March 10th, 2006 at 3:04 pmbobcat,
I’ve seen MightyMoron trolling for months, and he/she doesn’t post less because you’re polite. And in fact in typical ManCoulter fashion, the moron just gets more vicious and hateful. I’m afraid MightyMoron and the rest of the Reichwing are delusional whackos that are so detached from reality, and so get off on ‘arguing’, ‘fighting’ and ‘violence’, that just as in Iraq they’ll artificially manufacture it if they have to. These are anti-americans, and 100% fools.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:08 pmDont beleive in racism at all, what i would be concerned about is next years hurricane season
According to some reseach the effects of this years climate change are a delay from 12 years ago,what were doing now will be felt in 12 years time ..OH Deary Me,
And I think America will have to somehow realise this and start to do something about climate change considering you are 6% of the worlds population and create 30% of the worlds green house gases
I just predict next year will be worse all round
March 10th, 2006 at 3:14 pmcould also be the reason Bush has not cleaned last years mess up too
Back to Rascim , being in touch with many races only makes a person a better person I think from my own experiences,
For instance being stuck to a certain local group of people makes you a bit lke a cloned sheep, You start to take on their mentallity,manorisms and the way they look (i.e Nike shoes etc)
Theres nothing better than meeting real people with diverse thoughts and ideas… makes you a better person
March 10th, 2006 at 3:22 pmBack to Rascim , being in touch with many races only makes a person a better person I think from my own experiences,
For instance being stuck to a certain local group of people makes you a bit lke a cloned sheep, You start to take on their mentallity,manorisms and the way they look (i.e Nike shoes etc)
Theres nothing better than meeting real people with diverse thoughts and ideas… makes you a better person
I agree 1000% (if that were possible).
I think travel abroad should be mandatory for teenagers. Just to show them that there are other cultures out there and they deserve to be treated with respect.
I personally love to broaden my horizons and I feel it’s made me a better person. By best friend is half Taiwanese, my wife is Korean, my closest work friend is African-American, and lots of fellow colleagues are Indian. And I LOVE learning about their culture.
Personal story time:
One of the most influential times in my life was when GW went into Iraq. My wife and I had planned a trip to France and Italy and it ended up starting two days after GW decided that Iraq had to be invaded. We were concerned about the reception we’d receive in Europe. But we still went.
Boy, am I glad we did. The people there were great to us. They wanted to know what we thought about Bush and Iraq and were more than happy to share their feelings. But they still treated us as individuals. They were able to separate the citizen from the country’s policies. I admire Europeans for that.
Ever since then, I do my best to do the same. Most Americans don’t. The whole “Freedom Fries” thing and “stupid French” thing really showed our immaturity as a people.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:34 pmbobcat_grad, Yes, I think we both have similar trains of thought. Well, only so long as mine doesn’t get derailed! ;-)
Gerald Gibson, I like your post! “Most of us have been thinking for our entire lives… Some like myself and I think democratic soldier grew up backward and republican…then when we hit adolescents we began doing what the right never does… we began opening our minds to other truths besides what we are told in church… so we as a matter of principle question our own thoughts constantly because we know that NO MAN …including ourselves are above being wrong…something that needs to be taught in church… ”
I agree. The church I attended was VERY big on patting ourselves on the back over how much better we were than “those folks”. (Anyone NOT Christian, anyone who voted Democrat, anyone who questioned the pre-packaged dogma.)
Personally, I will always find solace in my Faith, despite how much I find myself disgusted by the so-called “right wing theocrats” that have perverted what Faith is in the US.
My mother told me this at an early age:
Never keep your mind so open that your brain falls out.
Never keep your mind so closed that it suffocates.
I’d like to say it’s easy to follow, but sometimes it’s not quite so easy to let go of my pre-concieved ideas. I find this to be my most difficult travail.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:49 pmRev. Peterson’s obtuse “essay” is flawed in many ways. But beyond the particulars of his bigoted rant, what’s really strinking is his absolutely lack of empathy or Christian compassion for the less fortunate.
This is what Christianity boils down to nowadays: Neglect, belittlement, and abandonment of the less able to fend for themselves. What a difference a few thousand years make.
March 10th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#84 – “The whole “Freedom Fries†thing and “stupid French†thing really showed our immaturity as a people.”
It reminds me of the Muslims no longer using the term ‘Danish’ for pastries, and re-naming them to ‘Rose of Mohammed’ pastries.
Then again, after we’ve set the bar for ‘just plain stupid behavior’, how can we laugh at others for acting just as immature as we did?
Ooops. Silly question when talking about trolls. ;-)
March 10th, 2006 at 3:52 pmis it lost on everyone that the quoted reverened is himself black?
while making no comment whatsoever on the content of the essay, does anyone see that as making a difference?
March 10th, 2006 at 4:05 pmis it lost on everyone that the quoted reverened is himself black?
Comment by Chase — March 10, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
No, I did follow the link. So what if he is?
does anyone see that as making a difference?
No, it does not make any difference: His rant is still bigoted. He does not try to understand the plight of the poor, and instead launches an attack against blacks and their supposed immorality. An absolute non sequitur.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:17 pmThis fake minister, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, is the DEFINITIVE image of black self-hate. This man is so far removed from his history he probably delusionally sees a white face everytime he sees his reflection in the mirror. He is the kind of black person the label N****R was meant for; shiftless, useless to himself and mankind, and a poisonous mixture of rage at God for not painting him white at birth and self-induced stupidity about what it means to be black. At best, the only positive thing he can DO for the black community is committ suicide because obviously he cannot SAY anything good about them. It’s a shame his ancestry did not die in slavery or that the creatures who spawned this monster weren’t lynched before he was born. We don’t need people like him in any community.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:23 pmcongratulations Suzaunna, that’s the most offensive thing i’ve seen today.
while i’m somewhat dubious about the “racism” of the original essay, there is no denying the overt racial overtones in your post.
you should be ashamed.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:26 pmWelcome back Ryan! I missed your pithy posts!
March 10th, 2006 at 4:36 pmPuh-leeeeeeeeeeeeze….the “some of my best friends are _____” line is such an incredibly trite and pathetically lame denial that it’s become a cliche. There were lots of reasons why people didn’t evacuate from New Orleans, and most of these reasons had nothing to do with laziness or immorality. Some had no place to go. Hotels cost a LOT of money, more than people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck can afford — not to mention the cost of bus or train tickets to take them a safe distance away from the storm. Some were reluctant to leave their homes because they believed, not without reason, that anything of value that they couldn’t take with them would be stolen after the storm was over. Some (unfortunately) recalled their previous experiences with hurricanes and naively believed that the storm wouldn’t be that bad — although it was primarily the breaching of the levees which made Katrina such a disaster.
Welker can try to defend himself, but the fact that he forwarded this essay without any comment implicitly suggests that he is to at least some extent in agreement with the sentiments contained therein — it can be argued that lack of criticism or objection can be construed as implied consent or agreement. The fact that a member of the political party which trumpets itself as the party of Judeo-Christian “values” is forwarding an essay which expresses an utter lack of compassion — indeed, contempt — for the victims of Katrina is execreble.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:36 pmis it lost on everyone that the quoted reverened is himself black?
while making no comment whatsoever on the content of the essay, does anyone see that as making a difference?
Comment by Chase
No I see no difference. He is a preacher. Hypocrisy comes easily for him. If you want to be in the inner circle of the evangelicals and you are black you must act like this guy does.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:37 pmJust acknowledging the concept of “racism” and being aware of different people is racist, right?
March 10th, 2006 at 4:52 pmFor truth – is it? I would say “yes”. I would also say generalizing EVERYONE by the actions of some (even most) of a demographic is wrong.
But I think it’s worth noting that behind most stereotypes lies a partial truth. That’s far from meaning that everyone in the stereotyped group has those qualities..
It is interesting, if nothing else.
March 10th, 2006 at 4:57 pm“is it lost on everyone that the quoted reverened is himself black?
while making no comment whatsoever on the content of the essay, does anyone see that as making a difference?
Comment by Chase”
I guess ‘Uncle Tom’s Cabin’ doesn’t ring a bell for you. Attacking one’s own group in order to belong to a ‘hate’ organization is very common. Just look at Mehlman, Hoover and McCarthy who all attacked gay people from the closet. This is no different.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:01 pmRyan – Describing someone as an “Uncle Tom” is, itself, a racist thing to do.
Why not address the content of his essay, show what’s true and false, rather than attack the color of his skin?
March 10th, 2006 at 5:03 pm“Ryan – Describing someone as an “Uncle Tom†is, itself, a racist thing to do.
Why not address the content of his essay, show what’s true and false, rather than attack the color of his skin? Comment by Chase”
Oh don’t be an idiot. An ‘Uncle Tom’ is a reference to a sellout of one’s own group in order to belong. Your ‘belief’ that it’s racist is just like your republican idiotic belief that civil rights is racist. You’re just being a fool and an idiot.
As for ‘waiting for others to save them’, well if we don’t need government to save people, do away with the coast guard, the police and the military. The content and concept of the essay is as retarded as you are for asking the question.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWhy is he “selling out”? He is merely stating what he believes. If a white man champions the feminist cause, is he selling out? Not a chance.
And judging from your treatment of me in the post (ie “retarded”, “idiotic”) I see you cannot divorce statments from the speaker.
It’s fair to disagree with what he said, in fact I largely do. It’s not appropriate to attack him as an individual.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:10 pmWOW what a comment. I’m so glad that as an African American I lived to see less and less of people like Mr. Welker. The head rat is out running the country so here come the rest of them. Don’t worry the rats will leave when Bush is removed. I’m glad I’ve seen so many good caring Americans of all colors. I guess the religious groups forgot God made all man/woman but they often forget to use the bible they use that other book.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pmHey Chase, could you answer my question in #64? I’m not being a smart ass I really am curious. WHen I was a limbaugh spewing republican was before I started back to church. Since then (about 10 years now) I’ve moved over to the left as their policies and actions seem more in line with Christ. Add onto that my more in depth study of the founders and constitution over the last 5 years or so and I can not in good conscience adhere to what republicans do. This is coming form a veteran with an advanced degree who still volunteers for a community water rescue organization. Not from some grab what I can and screw the rest type of person.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:18 pm“Why is he “selling outâ€? He is merely stating what he believes. If a white man champions the feminist cause, is he selling out? Not a chance. Chase”
Spoken like a true uncle tom, and idiot. And your attack on women is really funny here, too bad you can’t see how ridiculous it makes you look. Your claim is like saying that white people who support civil rights for black people are selling out white people. Your racism and ignorance is so deep and so obvious you’d be embarrassed if you weren’t so stupid.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:20 pm“And judging from your treatment of me in the post (ie “retardedâ€, “idioticâ€) I see you cannot divorce statments from the speaker.
It’s fair to disagree with what he said, in fact I largely do. It’s not appropriate to attack him as an individual.
Comment by Chase”
Ah, the FASCIST FILTER. I don’t like the source, so ignore the information no matter how obvious, or truthful it is. Blah, Blah, Blah. That’s the oldest psychotic filter of the fascist propagandist. Grow a pair and think for yourself, will you?
It’s also fair to call you an idiot and a racist when you act like one. Welcome to the real world, or if you were paying attention in your Limbaugh class – welcome to karma – bumpkin.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:22 pmChase,
I answered the substance of your question, and pointed out that using that line of ‘reasoning’ we should just do away with all search and rescue services – as they make people lazy. Do you agree? Should we just let people die who don’t save themselves?
So I answered your question, why not answer mine? Don’t be even more of a hypocrite than you’ve already proven yourself to be. Answer my response – or admit you’re wrong, your choice. I’ll accept your defeat now to save you time.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:25 pmMark: You raise a good question. I really, honestly believe that Bush really, honestly is a devout Christian individual. From those that know him well, his actions are guided by his beliefs and he considers the moral implications of his decisions. I’m pretty sure everone on this board will disagree with this, but that’s the rumor.
As far as his policy being driven by Christianity, I’ll throw one example. I think Bush’s approach to abortion reflects a moral obligation to protect the innocence of unborn life.
Also, I was almost certain he attended the National Cathederal when he was in DC on Sunday. I might be misinformed about that.
March 10th, 2006 at 5:27 pm“As far as his policy being driven by Christianity, I’ll throw one example. I think Bush’s approach to abortion reflects a moral obligation to protect the innocence of unborn life. Chase”
So tell me this, if a fetus is an ‘unborn child’, then why do anti-abortionists believe that the mother’s life should be spared for killing her child? Shouldn’t they believe in the death penalty for abortion? And what about incest and rape, they say there’s an exception, but isn’t that really saying that these ‘babies’ aren’t innocent as they’re permitted to be ‘killed’ purely based on how they’re conceived?
The whole Anti-Abortion movement is so riddled with ignorance, hypocrisy, hate, and a general desire to ‘control women’, that it’s just nonsense. It’s just more ‘fear the women’ nonsense from a bunch of insecure men.
And Chase, you still haven’t answered my question. Is it too obvious?
I guess that means you concede defeat – works for me.
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March 10th, 2006 at 6:01 pmMark -
If George W. Bush is a Christian, John Kerry is a duck hunter. My opinion is that he (GWB) goes through the minimum of autopilot Christian motions. The Jesus I have read about (I do not concede his historical reality) threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
March 10th, 2006 at 6:03 pmGlenn,
Bush is a Christian as long as they’ve extended Rasta’s practices to Jack&Coke with a hit of ‘blow’. And you can ask his 70s friends about the multiple meanings of the last part.
March 10th, 2006 at 6:34 pmwhere’s cheney when you need him?
March 10th, 2006 at 6:41 pmusing divisive language and inciting race to keep votes rather than provide solutions… Insulting your base that votes for you – for instance, claiming they weren’t smart enough to figure out how to vote on a certain ballot… So don’t talk to me about race – you only understand it in terms of scoring cheap, recycled political points.
One hell of case of Winger Projectin Syndrome you got there, bud. I’d have a professional take a look at it, and no, I don’t mean prostitute.
March 10th, 2006 at 7:15 pmUsually,the choosers and deciders invites one black person, usually a haughty, uptight, and sanctimonious type and sic them on the poor because oftentimes we do not have a way to defend ourselves from this type of onslaught-unless, of course, there is Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson to help. Their efforts are appreciated but they are two people against a virtual army that manufactures hate in this ramped up class and race struggle.
March 10th, 2006 at 7:19 pmlpt,
It’s called an ‘uncle tom’. It’s an old tactic, and why Stowe wrote about it in the 1800s.
There’s always someone who’ll sell out their own for money, power or personal security.
March 10th, 2006 at 8:07 pmThe Jesus I have read about (I do not concede his historical reality) threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
Comment by Glenn Becker — March 10, 2006 @ 6:03 pm
Not enough fear in that… gotta add the fire, brimstone and the Powerful and Mighty Oz to really monger some serious fear… so then people will throw their money at the church to make the scary monsters all go away.
I think organized religion was a brilliant scheme for those who benefit from it at the expense of the willfully blind of faith. If Jesus was real, this was definitely not what he would have wanted done in his name. The guy was a liberal hippie who ran a soup kitchen in his free time…
March 10th, 2006 at 9:21 pmThere’s always someone who’ll sell out their own for money, power or personal security.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 10, 2006 @ 8:07 pm
Yep… And don’t forget to add ’sex’ (though I suppose that that falls under ‘power’ to some…
March 10th, 2006 at 9:23 pmUnbelievable:
The definition of Irony; Christ and the Pharisees.
March 11th, 2006 at 7:37 amThe definition of Irony; Christ and the Pharisees.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — March 11, 2006 @ 7:37 am
No doubt :)
March 11th, 2006 at 8:50 am#106 if he did attend recently it was an abberition, not a regular behavior. He, like Reagan uses the “it takes too much security to go to church” excuse, though it does not normally seem to be a problem for other presidents.
Abortion is one issue. Period. Every other republican policy is geared against the poor and down trodden. Every action he takes is usually witha stick leading and not a carrot. I also see none of the forgiveness of christ. I see a boastful vain person who is decidedly un-christ like. Professing faith and actually doing something about it are two different issues. I just don’t see it. Besides on the abortion issue, it is one that has no basis in the bible. In fact in the mosaic law there are specific punishments for harming a woman, but none for situations where the woman loses a baby when pregnant. Makes me think that even 4,000 years ago when the bible was written that they did not consider a baby in vitro to be a person.
March 11th, 2006 at 9:48 am#23: On the other hand, the Right’s LACK OF SUPPORT for the black community is UNCONDITIONAL. No waivering, no attempt to help blacks in America. Nothing. Oh, except cutting programs that help.
March 11th, 2006 at 12:05 pmRev Peterson is right about Katrina as we ALL saw first hand on camera. One person said “Now I know where Jerry Springer gets all his guests”. I can’t see Germans,Japanese or any other ethnic group behaving or looking that way. Very pathetic and embarrassing indeed.
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