VIDEO: Frist on Feingold: ‘I Was Hoping Deep Inside That Iran Was Not Listening’
VIDEO: Frist on Feingold: ‘I Was Hoping Deep Inside That Iran Was Not Listening’
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) responded this morning to Sen. Russ Feingold’s call to censure President Bush over his warrantless spying program. Frist condemned the censure for “the signal that it sends that there is in any way a lack of support” for President Bush, and said he was “hoping deep inside that the leadership in Iran…[was] not listening.” Watch it:
Full transcript below:
STEPHANOPOULOS: You heard Senator Feingold there. He wants Democrats and Republicans to come together on the censure resolution he’ll introduce tomorrow. I can’t imagine you’re going to support that.
FRIST: George, what was interesting in listening to my good friend, Russ, is that he mentioned protecting the American people only one time, and although you went to politics a little bit later, I think it’s a crazy political move and I think it in part is a political move because here we are, the Republican Party, the leadership in the Congress, supporting the President of the United States as Commander in Chief, who is out there fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and the people who have sworn, have sworn to destroy Western civilization and all the families listening to us. And they’re out now attacking, at least today, through this proposed censure vote, out attacking our Commander in Chief. Doesn’t make sense.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So you’re against it. Are you going to allow it to come up for a vote?
FRIST: Well, George, this is the first I’ve heard about it. I really am surprised about it because Russ is just wrong. He is flat wrong. He is dead wrong. And as I was listening to it, I was hoping deep inside that that the leadership in Iran and other people who have the U.S. not in their best interest are not listening because of the terrible signal it sends.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You’re saying that censure resolution weakens America abroad?
FRIST: Yes. Well, I think it does because we are right now in a war, in an unprecedented war, where we do have people who really want to take us down and we think back to 9/11 and that war on terror is out there. So the signal that it sends that there is in any way a lack of support for our Commander in Chief, who is leading us with a bold vision in a way that we know is making our homeland safer is wrong. And it sends a perception around the world and, again, that’s why I’m saying as leader at least of the Republican side of this equation, that it’s wrong, because leadership around the world of our sworn enemies are going to say, well, now we have a little crack there. There is no crack. The American people are solidly behind this president in conducting this war on terror.
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Since when is holding the pResident accountable a help to our enemies. His first job is to protect the Constitution. He violated his oath.
The list of his impeachable offenses is as long as your arm. To just be censured is a joke, really, but Feingold is right at this time to hold off on talk of Impeachment until after the elections.
Each and every Republican, and the DINOs that enable them should be ashamed.
Goper's Lament (Hard To BE A Republican)
March 12th, 2006 at 11:42 amGeorge W. Bush taking the oath of office of the President of the United States, who swore to defend the constitution from all enemies foriegn and domestic, Russ just wants the president to keep his word and defend us from George W Bush........oh, I see a problem here........
March 12th, 2006 at 11:46 amJust like Hannity. "Blah blah, you're undermining the President, blah blah blah, you're hurting the troops, blah blah blah" - are people really that stupid?
March 12th, 2006 at 11:49 am“the signal that it sends that there is in any way a lack of support�
March 12th, 2006 at 11:49 amsomeone better tell 63% of the country to change their minds.
I think it’s a crazy political move. . .because here we are, the Republican Party, the leadership in the Congress, supporting the President . . .and all the families listening to us.
So who's surprised that the only way Frist can interpret this is politically. His mouth probably can't even form the word integrity even if he could think it.
March 12th, 2006 at 11:54 amOh crap, Frist just opened my eyes again, how dumb was I to think that Bush was breaking the law and causing more harm to America than the terrorists they use to push their agenda.
March 12th, 2006 at 11:55 amWewwww, thanks Frist!
Now, run along and go fuck yourself.
FRIST: "We're at war... the boogey men... the terrorists... they want to tear down western civilization... hoard water and food supplies... the Killer Tomatoes are coming... giant ants.. our Commander in Cheef needs more butt cheeks to pipe or everything is LOST! Everything!!! I hope The Smurfs or the Ninja turtles were NOT listening, oh the horror, i hope they don't have basic TV..."
Frist says that Russ only mentioned protecting the American people once... well if we're counting words here, Frist DID NOT mention the Constitution once (atleast in the video and transcript)!
March 12th, 2006 at 11:56 amFrist is correct, its easier to keep the secrets, lies, and spins perculating rather than hold the president accountable. After all, its party and politics before public responsibility with these jokers. Russ Fiengold is our only hope for a progressive government, he fights alone many times because his democratic colleagues have no spine or stomach for in your face truth and honesty. Hopefully, a group will form to return democracy to our country from these tyrants who have a chock hold on our liberty.
March 12th, 2006 at 11:57 amthe leadership in the Congress, supporting the President of the United States as Commander in Chief, who is out there fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban and Osama bin Laden
As Bush Sat around crawford clearing brush, playing golf, and playing video golf, not to mention the countless hours spent running around for photo ops, and mission accomplished banners, Bush who has signed Iraq war authority, and responsiblity away to his Underlings thru executive orders?
Bush the man whom hired bremer them whom lost 8.8 billion isn Irar? That is fighting Al qaeda? The man Bush whom said He doesn't care where Osama is?
How so Mr Frist is this fighting al qaeda? How so by you blathering useless spin Mr Frist are YOU fighting Al Qaeda?
How so Mr Frist does the DOD apologizing for spying on Innocent people excuse Mr Bush?
How so Mr Frist is lying about WMD a Nobel Lie Mr Frist?
How so CAN I MR Frist go to the Internet and Read all about the MATRIX data mining program and then you get on TV and act is if Mr. Feingold has exposed some sort of SECRET?
How so Mr Frist can I find documents of President Ford whom Started, with Wolfowitz and Rummy whom Started a Nuclear program for IRAN?
How so can I fins all these things Mr FRIST, How so can YOU say and Pretend that these SIGINT programs are secret?
I know that Menwith Hill Started in about 1956 Mr Frist.
How so is that Information useful to IRAN?
How so Mr Frist, How SO?
March 12th, 2006 at 11:59 amBest line:
Speaking as a layperson and based on my observations from a distance and after observing some grainy video, I'd have to say that Sen. Frist has lost all sense of reality and might pose a danger to himself and others.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:00 pmI picture junior in a cape. "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound..."
His retort is as laughable as it is sad.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:02 pmWhat you had better "hope" deep inside, that dark greedy heart, Mr Frist, is that the American people don't figure out what LIARS you Are, and what Misleading Incorrect and Unfactual Statements that you are Intentionally Spewing thru your media mouthpieces.
Shut the Feck up Mr Frist yer a 'Gawtdamm' (as duhbya says) Liar
March 12th, 2006 at 12:03 pmSupport for that fool in the White House will be the very least of the GOP's concerns as they scramble to put a pretty face on the disasters their "leadership" hath wrought the past 5 years. GOP = war, death, debt, scandal, indifference, distraction, incompetence. The Bush legacy is one of unprecendented tragedy.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThe MATRIX data-mining Aka Multi-State Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange
March 12th, 2006 at 12:06 pmCRS Report for Congress
Received through the CRS Web
Order Code RL31798
Data Mining and Homeland Security:
An Overview
Updated January 27, 2006
Jeffrey W. Seifert
Specialist in Information Science and Technology Policy
Resources, Science, and Industry Division
Data Mining and Homeland Security: An Overview
Summary
Data mining has become one of the key features of many homeland security
initiatives. Often used as a means for detecting fraud, assessing risk, and product
retailing, data mining involves the use of data analysis tools to discover previously
unknown, valid patterns and relationships in large data sets. In the context of
homeland security, data mining can be a potential means to identify terrorist
activities, such as money transfers and communications, and to identify and track
individual terrorists themselves, such as through travel and immigration records.
While data mining represents a significant advance in the type of analytical tools
currently available, there are limitations to its capability. One limitation is that
although data mining can help reveal patterns and relationships, it does not tell the
user the value or significance of these patterns. These types of determinations must
be made by the user. A second limitation is that while data mining can identify
connections between behaviors and/or variables, it does not necessarily identify a
causal relationship. Successful data mining still requires skilled technical and
analytical specialists who can structure the analysis and interpret the output.
Data mining is becoming increasingly common in both the private and public
sectors. Industries such as banking, insurance, medicine, and retailing commonly use
To the New GOP Bush is the country. If you weaken him you weaken the country.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:08 pmFrom above CRS report I find this MR FRIST;
Successful data mining still requires skilled technical and
analytical specialists who can structure the analysis and interpret the output.
So you MR FRIST are telling me that this is a SECRET? And that GEORGE BUSH and DICK CHENEY AND KARL ROVE are all skilled technical and analytical specialists who can structure the analysis and interpret the output
Gee And I thought you were Just Lying Politicians,,,
March 12th, 2006 at 12:09 pmNabg on a Sec, Hmmmm..
YOU ARE.
Politicians WorldWide should burst into flames
Liar Liars Pants on Fires
March 12th, 2006 at 12:11 pmFrist: moronic, piece of crap, anti-American.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:14 pm.
Frist said:
March 12th, 2006 at 12:15 pm"There is no crack. The American people are solidly behind this president in conducting this war on terror."
Nice Rip Van Winkle impersonation Billy-boy. Would you trust your heart in this man's hands?
Time is of the essence. Bush needs to be smacked down hard NOW before "pre-emptive" strikes are launched against Iran. There is no urgency in dealing with Iran, but this administration will not hesitate to exploit fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Iran to launch air strikes. Anything that slows the Neocons down until Dems can retake the House and/or Senate should be used.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:17 pmFRITZ. WHAT A PUTZ. I'M SO GLAD HE'S THE GOP FRONTRUNNER.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:19 pmYep, Frist call's em' like he see's em! Who can forget his BRILLIANT long distance diagnosis of Terri Schiavo?!? Was he right, or was he RIGHT?!? But why is Bush out there, fighting the Taliban? I thought they had been disbanded? And we have Saddam in custody, why can't we get Osama? It's been 5 YEARS!! What is the problem? And when, exactly, did Congress make a formal declaration of War?!? Did I miss it? Someone should tell Frist that it is not up to him to do so.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:29 pmSo the signal that it sends that there is in any way a lack of support for our Commander in Chief, who is leading us with a bold vision in a way that we know is making our homeland safer is wrong. And it sends a perception around the world and, again, that’s why I’m saying as leader at least of the Republican side of this equation, that it’s wrong, because leadership around the world of our sworn enemies are going to say, well, now we have a little crack there.
There is no crack.
Except the crack the bozos who put together the Iraqi war plan smoked....
March 12th, 2006 at 12:33 pmDon't you see how UNPATRIOTIC you all are? You MUST fall lockstep behind der Führer, I mean the President...err...COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
To speak out against der Führer, I mean, our COMMANDER IN CHIEF, gives aid and comfort to the enemy. It demeans everything we are fighting for: TOTAL GLOBAL DOMINATION!
So everybody get on board the bandwagon! So what if we have to torture a few people and invade a country or two. It's a CRUSADE!
Herr Führer, I mean, the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, will protect you and keep you safe. All you have to do is look the other way when silly little things like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, international treaties for human rights and against torture, and the U.N. Charter get in the way. He will do everything in His Power to track down and kill the dissidents, I mean, terrorists.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:34 pmAAAWWWKKKK!!!!!
March 12th, 2006 at 12:42 pmBilly wants a cracker!!!!
Billy needs a crapper to dump into, and not onto the majority of Americans who definitly demonstrate a lack of support for a commander in chief who can't even command enough of his own brain cells to speak without exposing his delusional mediocrity.
Interesting little utterance by Dubious speaking to a smal, select group of soldiers in Afghanistan, something to the effect of (not an exact quote) " Yer 'ol Commander in Chief come by for a visit"
The use of the word 'ol as an appellation to himself had the same tone and inflection as Nixon's famous line of "Well, at least you won't have 'ol Dick Nixon to kick around anymore...."
Incompetent and deceptive persons can begin to adopt the martyr syndrome when they finally see the facade crumbling away.
Although I despise it, I can understand political loyalty.
That being said, to say that introducing a motion of censure is political is a little hypocritical. Especially when your party is that one that is preventing any investigation into various IMPEACHABLE offenses.
Let me think for a while. Which one could possibly be causing more damage to this country?
March 12th, 2006 at 12:42 pmWas he drunk? (Other than with the power he thinks he earned with his little straw vote.)
He really thinks the rest of the world believes the U.S. is united behind Bush when the dude has a 34% approval rate??
March 12th, 2006 at 12:47 pmIn order to express my contempt for the fulsome Frist
I'll have to quote Seinfeld's Newman (upon putting a piece of broccoli in his mouth):
"Vile weed!"
March 12th, 2006 at 12:48 pmLearning to like Sherrod Brown...
Mike DeWine wants to make it illegal for you to find out about the NSA spying scandal......
March 12th, 2006 at 12:57 pmOur future criminal/doctor quack President Frist has spoken.
March 12th, 2006 at 12:59 pmNow Feingold is a lawyer Frist is a quack doctor and their is a legal question who would you want to listen to for an answer? Frist might need Feingold in the near future when he's indicted. I wonder if we'll see anymore ads about Mr. Ford being rich and black at the same time. I guess Frist doesn't believe that should happen in this country. Or maybe Frist just doesn't know how to get jiggie with it so he's mad because the young Ford can.
What are the trolls thoughts on this issue? (Awaiting orders?)
The rethug "think-tanks" must be working overtime on this one. Will it ever reach a point where they "spin out"? Or have they already and "Frisks" lame remarks are the best they can do? Their only game plan is to harp on emotions rather than substance? Which party has the identidy chrisis?
Their next likely move will be to attempt to "swiftboat" Sen. Feingold. I say "attempt". This will be tough- He's pretty "clean".
March 12th, 2006 at 1:01 pmFrist is a liar.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:02 pmFrist is fear mongering.
Muslims don't want to kill us (well, him maybe).
We aren't at war. We're in a police action.
Mr. Frist: How could you grow up in this country, under the present Constitution, and be willing to dis-regard the civil liberties, rights of individuals and sacrifice freedom and liberty for political expediency?
I suggest you take a quick look at the first, fourth and fifth amendments (among others)prior to making the inane statements you made on Sunday.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:02 pmHey, since your pResident is so popular, how about an 'UP OR DOWN VOTE'? Or are you just providing cover for the rest of the Republican Syndicate by not addressing what 63% of the American people think? That Bush broke the law.
You weren't worried about our enemies in the 90s when you were conducting the Clinton Inquisition, what's changed?
Hypocrite.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:03 pmthe republicans have no right to call anyone a WAFFLE until they come forth and admit that Frist is the biggest waffle of all
March 12th, 2006 at 1:07 pmAnybody think Iran was paying attention when their party won the Election in Iraq?
I love how Frist says Feingold "only mentions protecting the American people one time."
All good republicans know you have to repeat the bullshit over and over.
TERRA TERRA TERRA 911 911 911.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:16 pmahh, that lame old response about giving comfort to our enemies...
wartime doesn't give a president carte blanche to commit crimes, Frist... the same goes for Senate Majority Leader, btw!
March 12th, 2006 at 1:16 pmFrist is a dick-head who should be preparing for and worrying about his SEC investigation.
What is Iran going to do, perhaps send off to the shores of the USA one of Saddam Hussein's (missing) scary gliders filled with pesticide....?
March 12th, 2006 at 1:22 pmThis should be re-titled. "Frist says no to Crack!"
March 12th, 2006 at 1:22 pmFrist is hoping deep inside that the leadership in Iran…[was] not listening??
Everyone HIDE their pets, cats especially!!
Frist is sharpening his scalpel and is going to displace his anger on innocent cats again.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:26 pmIran doesn't have the US in their best interest? What's their problem??
Just because the US overthrew their elected government and installed the despotic Shah, just because we supported Iraq's brutal invasion of Iran, just because the US invaded a neighboring country and expects Iran to remain uninvolved, just because Iran is completely surrounded by bellicose US military forces, just because the US is now threatening air strikes against Iran for no reason at all, and is sponsoring UN actions against Iran, CHEEZ--cut us some slack, will ya Iran?
March 12th, 2006 at 1:26 pmFrist: "...he mentioned protecting the American people only one time..."
March 12th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWhat is the mental capacity of this jerk? If Feingold had repeated the desire to protect the American people a dozen times, would that have made it more true?
Frist is placing too much stock in Bush's strategy -- repeat something often enough and that makes it true -- you "gotta catapault the propaganda."
That's all they have - empty words, repeated endlessly. Frist is a lame candidate - I hope he wins the nomination; he will be toast!
Feingold made a lot of sense today, and what he plans to do tomorrow in the Senate requires courage - something not seen in the congress for 5 years, on either side of the aisle.
"This guy is giving doctors a bad name."
-Dr. Jack Kevorkian
March 12th, 2006 at 1:28 pmIf Frist was to do open heart surgery on me, I'd either ask for a different surgeon. If not, I'd better pray that God gives me enough strength to get up from the gurney and get the Hell outta there before that self-serving maniac sticks anything in me.
March 12th, 2006 at 1:29 pm"... Commander in Chief, who is out there fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban and Osama bin Laden..."
Give me a break. George W. Bush never fought anyone unless it was bartender for another drink. He dodged his opportunity to fight. He has no problem sending others less worthy of society's protections to fight and be maimed or killed. No skin off George's nose -- literally.
Bill Frist, of course, being another chickenhawk, would not know fighting from a Tennessee waltz. Nor does he kknow diddly about foreign policy. Does he really think it makes an iota of difference to Iran if Georgie is censured?
March 12th, 2006 at 1:51 pmWhy Deep Inside, Bill?
March 12th, 2006 at 2:04 pmJust let it sit right on the superficial shell of yo'self.
Did you guys see the website the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee put up about Catkiller Frist in response to the one re-publicans put up about Harold Ford?
March 12th, 2006 at 2:10 pmFancy Frist
Why isn't this man wearing an ankle bracelet?
March 12th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI think the Commander-In-Chief should be supported, if he demonstrates a commitment to abide by the laws of the United States, and if he exercises his responsibility to put into effect policies which will make the world and the United States safer. Commander-In-Chief Bush has done neither. What level of support is he due?
March 12th, 2006 at 2:24 pmHow disingenuous of Frist. This guy will say anything to get noticed by Bush cultists and the religious right. Just as his videotape analysis of Terri Schiavo , Frist is far of the mark here as well. If Bush were the CEO of any publicly held company he would be fired. His ineptitude as a President goes far beyond common mistakes, and typical human error. Frist is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Bush is not due for censure and impeachment.
March 12th, 2006 at 2:24 pmhttp://hatestheright.blogspot.com/
I'm glad FDR didn't have to contend with the likes of the "lobotomy left" 60+ years ago. I'm not fond of sauerkraut or raw fish.
March 12th, 2006 at 2:32 pmIV.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
V.
Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
VI.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
March 12th, 2006 at 2:38 pmI’m glad FDR didn’t have to contend with the likes of the “lobotomy left†60+ years ago. I’m not fond of sauerkraut or raw fish.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
He had to deal with republicans colluding with the nazis.
FDR didnt go to war until the will of the people ALL THE PEOPLE not 50% wanted to go to war.
FDR didnt manufacture lies to go to war.
FDR didnt pick some weak nobody that was no direct threat to the nation and spend YEARS and billions and thousands of lives attacking a country that had no way to pose a threat to this nation.
You logic doesnt hold water. Try Again.
March 12th, 2006 at 2:42 pmfrisk wants to be our next presnut?....don't make me laugh when my lips are chapped.
March 12th, 2006 at 2:44 pmI'm waiting for the next GOP talking point to be: having pessimistic THOUGHTS about the situation in Iraq will actually impede progress.
I mean, why stop with attacking the media and the majority of the country? Let's just go straight to THOUGHT CRIME.
March 12th, 2006 at 3:02 pmThis guy is a freakin demagogue. His statements are based on no facts, their only purpose is to stir up fear and emotion in Americans and not make them think. "I was hoping..Iran wasn't listening", give me a f@#kin break! It's sickening how much the Repubs play the fear card in politics these days. Scare the masses into submission, that is their ultimate goal.
March 12th, 2006 at 3:05 pm1984 anybody??
March 12th, 2006 at 3:06 pmSweeping statements have become the new hallmark of lefties, like Gerald.
"He had to deal with republicans colluding with the nazis."
****That statement is so laughable - don't try again, you;ll only embarrass yourself. But FDR did have to contend with the socialist wing of the Dems and World Workers Party who supported Stalin before, during and after the war.
"FDR didnt go to war until the will of the people ALL THE PEOPLE not 50% wanted to go to war."
*****Note to Gerald - ALL THE PEOPLE in the US have never agreed on any ONE thing - including the American Revolution or the terrorist attacks of 9/11.
"FDR didnt manufacture lies to go to war."
*****That oil embargo against Japan didn't help the diplomacy of the day, Gerald.
"FDR didnt pick some weak nobody that was no direct threat to the nation and spend YEARS and billions and thousands of lives attacking a country that had no way to pose a threat to this nation."
March 12th, 2006 at 3:53 pm*****I suppose this hazy statement refers to Saddam. I guess if you were in a plane patrolling the "no-fly" zone agreed to in the Gulf War cease fire, Saddam might have been a threat. And you're right, Gerald. Who are we to defend Jews in Europe, or 100,000's of Iraqi's, or Ruwanda? Oh, that's right, we didn't help Ruwanda in the previous administration.....I won't suggest you try again - that might be an exercise in futility....
How do inbred, born millionaires, who make their money by destroying the healthcare industry ever get elected to the United States Senate?
March 12th, 2006 at 3:56 pmOh, I know. Then run for Senate from Tennessee.
Voting on this censuring policy will be terrible signal because the American people will hear the details of the President's law breaking. AND good old Senator Frist will have to vote on it won't he? He's going to look really bad if he votes against it. This Republican Party has been going along destroying this country by makeing common sense move by a Democrat look bad. Well it ain't working anymore Senator Frist.
March 12th, 2006 at 4:10 pmThese Republicans and the Bush administration fighting al Quada...what a laugh. Look at port security. Look at rail security. I took a train last summer. Let me describe the rail security I saw. One 8 by 11 sheet of paper taped to the exit door that told me what I hand carry onto the train. That's it folks.
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March 12th, 2006 at 4:11 pmOhhh...he's inbred. That explains a lot. Thank you.
Frist's rhetoric was a joke. He could have pre-taped his fear-mongering BS. George S. should have threatened him that he'd stop inviting him on if he didn't engage the conversation.
Frist is laughing all the way to the bank, how do you think he can afford that stylish fro?
March 12th, 2006 at 4:13 pmma,
So the current dust-up in Iraq happened because of threats to our plane(s) patrolling the “no-fly†zone agreed to in the Gulf War cease fire
That's intersting. I thought the no-fly zones were proclaimed by US/GB well after the cease-fire, to stop the persecution of Kurds. Do you have a reference on that, or did you just make it up?
March 12th, 2006 at 4:13 pmYeah, right, them Iranian ayatollahs who watch all the Sunday shows are going to be SO darn emboldened now!
March 12th, 2006 at 4:19 pmMarch 12th, 2006 at 4:41 pm
ma,
March 12th, 2006 at 4:59 pmCrack a history book. The Japanese were conducting a repressive war in China, Korea and Southeast Asia. FDR refused to provide support for that aggression. Before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and Germany and Italy declared war on the United States, it was about 50/50 in the US for/against Germany. After 12/07/1941, the nation's people rose up in unprecedented fury. When I was less than 3 years old, I would pull my little wooden wagon full of flattened cans to the recycle center at the local school and knew why I was doing it.
I also maintained a Victory Garden as did every other household in the neighborhood. FDR's war time support extended down to the grass roots during WWII. This administration's support doesn’t reach the thatch.
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Exactly
March 12th, 2006 at 5:21 pm58 M.A.)
Go to this link...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/09/san-deigo-woman-fired/#comments
Scroll down to the black and white photo of Bushs grandfather ...then read... then follow the links from there or use google to find more... REPUBLICAN COLLUSION WITH THE NAZIS.
March 12th, 2006 at 5:28 pmma,
"He had to deal with republicans colluding with the nazis.â€
****That statement is so laughable . ."
have a laugh over this:
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
March 12th, 2006 at 5:35 pmGerald,
She'll never go to that link because she's too stubborn and
arrogant to believe that the Bushes are in bed with the Nazis and Al-Queda.
Your arguments hold up more strong and yet when they do, M.A. will be too ashamed to admit that she's wrong and she'll say something to think that she's right, even without any evidence to back her up.
March 12th, 2006 at 5:40 pmMay I suggest a cockpunch for the doctor?
March 12th, 2006 at 8:58 pmBill Frist is a political tumor.
March 12th, 2006 at 8:59 pmMr. Frist: "George, what was interesting in listening to my good friend, Russ, is that he mentioned protecting the American people only one time...."
Actually, what was interesting to me is that Mr. Feingold's entire conversation was focused exclusively on protecting the American people...from our "good friend" Mr. Frist and those of his ilk.
March 12th, 2006 at 10:19 pmDon,
Right on. Mighty Moron fires yet another blank. He/She has to be the DUMBEST republican troll on the web who actually thinks it's smart. Poor little fool can't get a fact straight if its life were to depend on it! It's like the dyslexic accountant in April. Lots of promises, and blustering, but the numbers never add up!
March 12th, 2006 at 10:42 pmEvery time I hear frist I wish "I" hadn't been listening. That man is a fool - and I'm waiting for him to remotely diagnose Bin Laden's health condition for his election bid. What a Maroon!
March 12th, 2006 at 10:42 pmof course frist is going to support broad presidential powers. he won the first repub straw poll and thinks he's the front-runner. he wants to be a bigger corporate fratboy whore than bush is.
mighty afro-tripey... ahh never mind. it's too easy because you illustrate your ignorance and partisan idiocy better than i could explain.
GET BACK TO IRONING, FRAU TRIPEY!
March 12th, 2006 at 10:55 pmI CAN SEE WRINKLES ON THOSE BROWN SHIRTS.
When I hear Frist I just think its Orwell's "1984" all over again.
"we are at war!" therefore all liberties are suspended until peace is achieved. trouble is, there is no serious intention to end this so called war.
March 12th, 2006 at 11:08 pmCall your Senators tomorrow morning, folks, and ask if they support Feingold's censure resolution, and if not, why not. Democrats like Feinstein need to hear it from us, or there's no way they'll support it.
Incidentally, Feinstein flipped to filibustering Alito after CA Dems flooded her office with calls, so pressure like this does work.
March 12th, 2006 at 11:10 pmHow to Talk to a Republican:
March 13th, 2006 at 12:00 am"You'd be happier with a king."
In our area (Olympia, Washington State) the three year anniversary protest of the Iraq war is next Saturday (the 18th).
I hope there will be large turn out nationally to reinforce Finegold's statement. This could be a "tipping point" where Bush goes from lame duck to lamest of ducks.
Peter B- I agree... Let's get active
March 13th, 2006 at 12:00 amYeah Senator Frist, I'm sure Senator Feingold's talk of censuring Bush is the reason the reason they hate us in the middle east. I am also sure that our illegal invasion of Iraq has mitigated the hatred somewhat. They'll probably love us when we attack Iran. Well, we would if we had the soldiers to do it. You're the Majority leader, Senator Frist, why don't you pass a law instituting the draft? That would be a good issue for you and ole "straight talk" McCain to run on in 08.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:00 amRyan,
I don't come here often anymore, but welcome back, however recently it happened. Call me weird, but I actually enjoyed it when you "turned it up."
March 13th, 2006 at 12:04 amI’m glad FDR didn’t have to contend with the likes of the “lobotomy left†60+ years ago. I’m not fond of sauerkraut or raw fish.
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
To Mighty Hypocrite,
March 13th, 2006 at 12:29 amSince you reminded a contributor to another thread that you didn't ask him whether or not his daughter is a lesbian, let me remind you that no one here has asked you about your culinary tastes, nor do we care about them for that matter. Moreover, as one who has spent time in both Germany and Japan, I can say there are plenty of things to eat besides sauerkraut and raw fish in those two respective countries.
Furthermore, since it still hasn't sunk into your head yet despite all the documented evidence, Iraq did not attack US soil; it was no real threat to us. The comparison with FDR is ridiculously inapt. Also, I recall that when it suited the point you were trying to make (but not successfully), you didn't have kind words for FDR, either in the past.
HEY EVERYONE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, YOU MUST GO SEE "WHY WE FIGHT" BY EUGENE JARECKI. CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS. IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FILMS OF OUR TIME!
March 13th, 2006 at 1:14 amThe Senator could do with a visit from the "Fab Five" QE guys. He looks like he got a face lift from a Proctologist. But I digress. I wonder how the Senator feels that the continuing decline in approval numbers, contained in multiple published polls, have affected Iranian opinion of general american support of the president. Or does he think that they are unaware of those polls? Hmmm.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:14 am#69
March 13th, 2006 at 1:22 amWhat's really interesting about that post is that it continues today. Cheney saw Prescott Bush's actions not as bad and immoral but as something to learn from. I was watching Meet the Press this morning and Senator George Allen was on discussing Iran and how we need to use sanctions there. Well that might work if the US is going to be honest about it. Halliburton and GE do business in Iran even though there have been US sanctions there for a very long time. How do they do it? They base their companies outside the US. Not only do they not have to pay US taxes, they can make money hand over fist in Iran because companies are kept out because of the sanctions. It's pretty slick. I think Prescott would be proud.
[...] Saturday, on George Stephanopoulos’s show, the world had the pleasure of watching His Presidential Wannabe Senator Bill Frist bluster and mong some more fear. Why? Frist was responding to Senator Russ Feingold’s call to censure President Bush for repeatedly lying to the American people about spying on them during the Eternal War of Terror. [...]
March 13th, 2006 at 1:46 amfrist's statments are yet another example of the fascist tendencies on the Right where they confuse the head of state with the nation itself.
pure pagan idolatry, that's what it is.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:21 amDoes Senator Little Lord Fauntleroy really believe the Iran's radical leaders see the so-called nuance he is describing? Aren't we all just evil Americans to them?
March 13th, 2006 at 3:00 amI just e-mailed Senator Frist the following message:
March 13th, 2006 at 5:03 amThomas Jefferson said that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." In that sense, your reaction to Sen. Feingold's proposal to censure Bush has been particularly egregious. Sorry, but Bush has broken the law more than once, and it is the patriotic right and even duty of Americans to protest his actions. In contast to you, I would almost hope that people in the Middle East have listened to Sen. Feingold so that they can know that democracy is still at work in the USA and the president can not act like a dictator or king. Shame on you!
This will probably get me on some enemies or no-fly list, if I'm not on one already.
What, did Frist watch some video about IRan or something?
March 13th, 2006 at 6:15 ammighty moron, I don't see YOUR ass in the army. Another CHICKENHAWK defending the war. During Vietnam, I was one of the troops, and antiwar sentiment was RAMPENT among the active duty GIs. So these Nazi(GOP) claims of undermining the troops is pure BS.
March 13th, 2006 at 7:17 amFrist is right. What better way to give aid and comfort to our enemies than to try to censure our democratically elected President over fighting terrorists, no less.
However, I hope the GOP lets this vote move forward and actually ups the ante to a mock voice vote on impeachment. After it fails miserably in the full senate, we can take the yes votes of all pres wannabes and strangle them with it if they get the nomination in 2008.
Thank you liberals for your total stupidity.
March 13th, 2006 at 7:53 amI feel more threatened by Bush, the Republican congress, and the current conservative movement's follower's than by Al-Quaeda, the Taliban., or any other terrorist organization.
#93 "Frist is right. What better way to give aid and comfort to our enemies than to try to censure our democratically elected President over fighting terrorists, no less."
Unbelievable. First of all, opening up Iraq for iranian-backed political, social, and military infiltration has sone more to give that country aid and comfort than anything else we say or do here. Second, our clumsy, unwarranted invasion and occupation of Iraq has done more to create and inspire new enemies than any other action in memory, even 9/11. The invasion of Afghanistan was just, and popular. But Iraq was stupid and in the end, self-defeating. Now we have people like you saying that a well-earned censure of this, this moron, is dangerous. I say that anything that stops him from doing any more damage to the USA domestically or internationally can only be a good thing.
You conservatives are lost. You aren't even conservatives, you're American fascists.
March 13th, 2006 at 8:26 amPS: And don't try to lecture anyone here about democracy. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Bush wasn't elected legally either time, and we have seen how democratic elections in places where Bush has made the USA unpopular have bitten him in the ass -- only hardening his barely-suppressed subconscious aversion to the free electoral process.
March 13th, 2006 at 8:31 amTo Lying Bigot,
March 13th, 2006 at 8:35 amThe warrantless wiretapping of American citizens has nothing to do with fighting terrorists. Besides, even if some calls with possible terrorists are tapped, the US State Department currently has only 10 employees fluent in Arabic and hundreds of thousands of hours in a backlog of untranslated interceptions. One call referring to the planned attack on 9/11 wasn't even translated until long after the event. Still, four and a half years later, the Bush administration has done nothing about increasing the number of people in the intelligence agencies competent in Arabic or other languages spoken in the Muslim countries. Do you really think the potential and real terrorists are speaking to each other in English? The FDR administration set up military schools offering intensive training in Japanese immediately after the Pearl Harbor attack. More time has passed since 9/11 than between Pearl Harbor and the conclusion of World War II, yet the Bush administration hasn't even taken the very basic very basic step of creating more specialists capable of translating/interpreting Arabic, Farsi, Punjabi, etc., stupid!
Commander in Chief, who is out there fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban and Osama bin Laden
No, the Commander in Chief is not out there. The Commander in Chief is sitting in his office and going on photo-ops. Our sons and daughters and husbands and wives are out there. And they are dying.
March 13th, 2006 at 8:42 amThanks to the spinelessness of Congress, or their corruption, we will never know whether any of these wiretaps were or are being used against Bush's political enemies.
Does anyone doubt that Bush's web of followers would eagerly drop a terrorist investigation in favor of one that would destroy a political enemy? I don't. After all, we see how many people are purposely conflating democratic dissent with treason.
And anyone who thinks that's far-fetched can't prove otherwise, because there's zero oversight. We're turning into the very kind of state we overthrew in Iraq!
March 13th, 2006 at 9:08 am[...] Think Progress has the video clip of Bill Frist [not] responding to Senator Feingold’s call for Censure over the illegal NSA wiretapping. Notice a couple things about the excerpts below. First, Frist doesn’t address the substance of the issue, which is George Bush being held accountable for breaking the law. Instead, he just sticks to his Rovian talking points of “terror, 9/11, we”re at war, our Great President, anyone who criticizes Dear Leader is helping the terrorists.” Again, pathetic. Second, notice that Stephanopolous basically has to answer the questions for Frist, instead of letting Frist answer for himself. And that is annoying. Third, notice that the so-called liberal Stephanolpolous doesn’t challenge Frist’s ridiculous assertion that holding a lawless President accountable, somehow helps the Iranians and the terrorists. It’s talking points for stupid people. STEPHANOPOULOS: You heard Senator Feingold there. He wants Democrats and Republicans to come together on the censure resolution he’ll introduce tomorrow. I can’t imagine you’re going to support that. [...]
March 13th, 2006 at 9:23 amElectricBassPlayer,
Of course, the wiretapping is mainly of Bush's real and perceived political enemies; that's why the administration is so adamant about avoiding oversight. Besides, as I have pointed out a number of times already, the US intelligence agencies are woefully lacking in linguists capable of translating/interpreting any interceptions in the languages real and potential terrorists are likely to speak.
Ps. My e-mail to Senator Frist (see #90) generated an automatic reply acknowledging receipt of my message from the cat-killer's office, which landed in my spam folder. I have decided not to re-direct it as "clean mail."
March 13th, 2006 at 9:29 amOh my, there's just nothing quite as sweet to the Filthy Left as reaching out to America's enemies to let them know they have an ally. The Donks just don't get it, you can't win an election running on the Taliban ticket. When you're in a hole folks you don't keep digging. HA!
March 13th, 2006 at 9:29 amHe sure didn't say that about Clinton. They tried desperately weaken him. Just think what all of those other countries thought - how easy we are - just dangle some sex talk around and we will totally ignore our country's business.
March 13th, 2006 at 9:31 am#101 It isn't about winning, oh blind man, it's about making our country better and stronger. All you care about is the win and then on to the next win. Where does America fit into your strategy? Or, more likely, we are just the consequence of that win.
March 13th, 2006 at 9:33 amI-WRONG-I,
March 13th, 2006 at 9:36 amWe liberals/progressives believe in free speech, which is one reason why you're allowed to rant on this site, while reichwing sites either don't invite comments at all or else ban any expressing contrary opinions, even when expressed politely. Please go to Thomas Jefferson's gravesite and tell him he was wrong to say "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." It is you reichwingers who are trying to create in the USA a Taliban-like government, where dissent isn't allowed and women are treated as inferior.
#93 (NeD) We already know that you will say Frist is right. Hell, we all already know what you will say about everything. How terrible to be so predictable. But please, choose Frist for your ticket. PLEASE.
March 13th, 2006 at 9:36 amDoes Cat Killer Frist have any kids that could enlist and go fight the wars that he is championing?
March 13th, 2006 at 9:39 amOur leaders take an oath to God to protect and defend the US Constitution, not an oath to Protect Israel, Iraq, Republicans, Democrats. The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution against unreasonable search and seizure states that no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause. Fluff up you feather pillows and keep that hot tar on the back burner. The entire US Government needs to be brought to swift justice, it doesn't help the terrorists to say that. The former US Government are the terrorists.
March 13th, 2006 at 9:40 amI have a question for trolls. What is your proof that criticizing our leaders helps the enemy?
I'm serious. When was the last time you heard Islamic radicals ranting on TV about how America is the Great Satan because they won't fall in line behind their leaders?
Seems to me that they always seem to be so incensed about things like, oh, rendition and torture, rather than pundits disagreeing or Senators introducing legislation.
Please. Tell me how the enemy is helped. I'd think that if anything, they'd be lulled into a false sense of security and underestimate us because they think we're infighting. seems like a good trap to lay.
March 13th, 2006 at 9:48 amPresnit Pinhead,
March 13th, 2006 at 9:50 amSenator Cat-killer has three sons. If my memory is correct, at least one of them has been apprehended for drunk driving or rowdy drunken behavor--a trait that seems to run in Repugnacan offspring just as much as chickenhawishness (I realize that's not a word in any dictionary.).
First, George Bush's crimes were classified. Now, enforcing the law is helping the enemy.
It's like they're using a Ouija Board to write their talking-points.
Idiots like Frist and Bush blew it. They fucked up and Americans paid for it. It's time they got the fuck out of the way. Drooling superstitious freaks, they can't get anything right.
March 13th, 2006 at 10:12 am.
I have a question for trolls. What is your proof that criticizing our leaders helps the enemy?
Comment by The Witch
Are you a good witch or a bad witch? Here's an interesting take on the issue. Oh, and by the way, what you losers are doing is not criticizing, it's full flat out attack. And to answer your other question because it's obvious you haven't thought this through; why don't we want them to underestimate us? Because my dear these people are uncivilized radical head choppers with a death wish and they could be encouraged to do something to us that would necessitate the total obliteration of one or more of their cities. Let's say a million people dead because the radical leftist idiots in this country and around the world lulled them into a false sense of security and righteousness in their cause.
There is no conspiracy, however. The violent audacity of a generation of Muslim neo-jihadis happens to correspond precisely with the self-loathing of a generation of Western post-hippies. Perhaps never before, in the history of interaction between the "Dar al-Islam" (Muslim-ruled world), and the "Dar al-Harb" (the external world with which it is perpetually "at war"), have aspiring Muslim conquerors met such willing candidates for "dhimmitude".
http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=583
March 13th, 2006 at 10:36 amalways nice to see what a crook has to say about someone that isn't
March 13th, 2006 at 10:53 amso since he is likely a crook, you know, stock sale, magic diagnosis, myriad of others,
why does anyone care what he says?
frist's trial should be interesting
I just called and asked Has Mr Frist explained why the perception of the Iranians is more important than following U.S. laws? The staffer that answered didnt have an answer
But if the critisizing the president is harmful, even tho he broke the law, Doesnt that mean that Bush can break any laws of our land and it shouldnt be mentioned because of other ppls perception
I wonder if the Iranians are listening to Frist excuse lawbreaking and what message that send to them?
I'm sure someone will call and ask:
Washington, D.C.:
Office of Senator Bill Frist
509 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3344
202-228-1264 (fax)
Nashville:
March 13th, 2006 at 11:00 amOffice of Senator Bill Frist
28 White Bridge Road
Suite 211
Nashville, TN 37205
615-352-9411
615-352-9985 (fax)
So let me get this straight trolls - you are saying that only when Americans have used their right of free speech and to demand redress, to protest the failings of our governament, which rights I may add (since you are obviously clueless) are guaranteed by our constitution, that radicalism occurs?
So you are saying that all of the individuals who died to protect our first anendment rights were wrong to do so because by defending these rights they were promoting radicalism?
March 13th, 2006 at 11:02 amOooh, a troll to play with! :)
Oh, and by the way, what you losers are doing is not criticizing, it’s full flat out attack.
What's the difference? Severity? When does criticism become attack? Please enlighten me.
And to answer your other question because it’s obvious you haven’t thought this through; why don’t we want them to underestimate us? Because my dear these people are uncivilized radical head choppers with a death wish and they could be encouraged to do something to us that would necessitate the total obliteration of one or more of their cities.
They already are encouraged, aren't they? I mean, I think what you mean to say is that our criticism makes us weaker, not that it makes them stronger. That is, if I'm an uncivilized radical head chopper and I am fixing to attack the US, I'm not going to bother with as much sneakiness if I think the US isn't watching for it. Why bother sticking to the shadows when the security cameras aren't on? But of course they ARE on, and we're more likely to catch them if they are careless.
It was just a thought. I have work to do now so gotta go, but have fun!
March 13th, 2006 at 11:22 amOooh, a troll to play with! :)
Oh, and by the way, what you losers are doing is not criticizing, it’s full flat out attack.
What’s the difference? Severity? When does criticism become attack? Please enlighten me.
I don't know about you but I'd say a censure of the President over an issue that is supported by the law and a majority of US citizens is something other than helpful criticism. How very lame of you to ask the question then ignore the obvious. Where I come from we call that disingenuous. Oh, and I'm not just a troll, I am The Troll. I eat little witches like you for breakfast so stay off of my bridge.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:38 amI-Right-I.
I would rather sacrifice a city than lose the Constitution. I would rather lose my life than have my ancestors live in tyranny.
THAT'S the difference between you and me.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:15 pmsupported by the law?
Bush Authorized Domestic Spying
Post-9/11 Order Bypassed Special Court
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; Page A01
President Bush signed a secret order in 2002 authorizing the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens and foreign nationals in the United States, despite previous legal prohibitions against such domestic spying, sources with knowledge of the program said last night.
The super-secretive NSA, which has generally been barred from domestic spying except in narrow circumstances involving foreign nationals, has monitored the e-mail, telephone calls and other communications of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of people under the program, the New York Times disclosed last night
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121600021.html
March 13th, 2006 at 12:42 pmI don’t know about you but I’d say a censure of the President over an issue that is supported by the law and a majority of US citizens is something other than helpful criticism.
Well, if we could keep people from doing bad things by helpful criticism alone, we obviously wouldn't have this little terrorism problem. Occasionally you need to show a little "tough love."
Incidentally, Which law is it supported by? And which poll has a majority of US citizens approving? Because I have a law that says it is specifically prohibited, and I can point to a bunch of polls that say that a majority of US citizens do not support it.
How very lame of you to ask the question then ignore the obvious. Where I come from we call that disingenuous.
Really? Where I come from it's called "getting your opinion on the matter." You know, asking a question and listening to the response?
Oh, and I’m not just a troll, I am The Troll. I eat little witches like you for breakfast so stay off of my bridge.
Don't you threaten me, mister, or I will cut off your billy goat gruff supply for two weeks. :)
March 13th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#116 - "Right between the I's" wrote:
I don’t know about you but I’d say a censure of the President over an issue that is supported by the law and a majority of US citizens is something other than helpful criticism.
This shows that the right-wing spin is being picked up by the MSM.
The law says "get a warrant". It was in place before Pres. Bush did the spying, and it was in place after he did the spying, and he refused to follow the letter of the law.
The "majority" of citizens believe that Pres. Bush should follow the laws that are in place, and only when the law is followed do they support spying. When they are asked the follow up question: If Pres. Bush broke the law, would you support the spying? The majority say "no".
If you want to fall for the mendacity that the right-wing talking heads are spinning, then believe post #116.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:48 pmLet's talk about our "enemies."
Neither the Iranians, the Iraqis, the Koreans, the Chinese nor anyone else are my enemies. They don't threaten me in the least--why are they yours?
March 13th, 2006 at 12:50 pmI-Right-I.
I would rather sacrifice a city than lose the Constitution. I would rather lose my life than have my ancestors live in tyranny.
THAT’S the difference between you and me.
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer
Well, I think you worry too much about the wrong things. Aren't you a fan of the "living breathing" Constitution like all the other Liberals? I think you are. I'd rather have you lose sleep over nonsense and spy on your buddy who is a Left Wing ratbastard and who is talking to the headchoppers than a city. But that's just me.
By the way, how upset did you get when the Liberal Supremes allowed that city government to steal a citizens land? Did you loser any sleep over that one? No? Why not? How about set-asides for minorities paid for by my money and your money? That didn't bother you but it is certainly outside the bounds of the Constitution. You want it both ways don't you?
March 13th, 2006 at 1:21 pmHey Bill,
March 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmHere's a video of my ASS; can you diagnose it?
Oh, wait! You were wrong on that one, eh?
Now that you've flip flopped on the ports issue,
you must have some time on your hands.
#96
The warrantless wiretapping of American citizens has nothing to do with fighting terrorists. Besides, even if some calls with possible terrorists are tapped, the US State Department currently has only 10 employees fluent in Arabic and hundreds of thousands of hours in a backlog of untranslated interceptions.
Do you happen to have a source for this? I was just thinking that my Battalion had more than 10 people fluent in Arabic in it. I just kind of find it hard to believe that the whole State Department has only 10.
Thank you!
March 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pm#109
Senator Cat-killer has three sons. If my memory is correct, at least one of them has been apprehended for drunk driving or rowdy drunken behavor–a trait that seems to run in Repugnacan offspring just as much as chickenhawishness (I realize that’s not a word in any dictionary.).
Chappediack
March 13th, 2006 at 1:50 pmI guess it's better their offspring than them
Well, I think you worry too much about the wrong things.
I know a couple of countries where they worry about their physical safety and security more than they worry about their freedoms. Or at least that's what their leaders say. The folks there do seem to be very safe and secure, until they say something against the government, that is. Then they disappear.
If those are the priorities you want our country to have, one wonders why you don't agree with the terrorists on other issues as well. After all, Pakistan is like that, Saddam's Iraq was like that, Iran is like that...
By the way, how upset did you get when the Liberal Supremes allowed that city government to steal a citizens land?
Pretty durned upset, actually, but you wouldn't believe me, because it doesn't fit into your stereotypical pigeonhole of what you assume liberals to be.
Anyhoo. Back to work...
March 13th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThe trolls distract us from actually taking action...
March 13th, 2006 at 2:19 pmSeems like Senator Frist should demand a little originality from his handlers...I mean, this isn't the first time he has repsonded by saying, "This is the first I've heard of it." The man is a Senator for the gods-sakes. He's supposed to hear about things before they come up...doesn't he know how to do his job? I can't see this man being President if that's all he's going to say...We're having two terms of that kind of evasion anyway. Wouldn't the American people be fed up with Senators (and Presidents) who don't know anything?
March 13th, 2006 at 2:51 pmRepublicans start search for George Bush's replacement
Mr Frist won 37 per cent of the 1,427 votes. Perhaps more intriguing, however, was the second place finish of Mitt Romney, the Governor of Massachusetts, ahead of George Allen, Virginia's affable junior senator who was widely fancied for 2008.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article350913.ece
March 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pmThe trolls distract us from actually taking action…
Comment by Bear Witness
Always with the excuses....if you feel froggy jump.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pmI know a couple of countries where they worry about their physical safety and security more than they worry about their freedoms. Or at least that’s what their leaders say. The folks there do seem to be very safe and secure, until they say something against the government, that is. Then they disappear.
Comment by The Witch
Hysterical hyperbolae.
If those are the priorities you want our country to have, one wonders why you don’t agree with the terrorists on other issues as well. After all, Pakistan is like that, Saddam’s Iraq was like that, Iran is like that…
I am rather fond of the way they deal with homosexuals and mouthy women.
By the way, how upset did you get when the Liberal Supremes allowed that city government to steal a citizens land?
Pretty durned upset, actually, but you wouldn’t believe me, because it doesn’t fit into your stereotypical pigeonhole of what you assume liberals to be.
Anyhoo. Back to work…
Actually the only witch I know was conservative. Then she up and married an evangelical and changed her evil ways. Really. But as Liberals go.....there is no rhyme nor reason to what they do. The fact is there are no classical liberals on this board. I come closer to that than anyone here.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:34 pmWhat a clown. If you were not a psyhochotic white supremacist, you'd be funny.
OK, so you are a mysongynist and a homophobe - we knew that already
In the same post, no less. Aren't you late for your 'Angry Sons of the Confederacy' meeting, Adolf?
March 13th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHysterical hyperbolae.
Oh, so that doesn't happen? In that case, why are we killing our kids to change them?
I am rather fond of the way they deal with homosexuals and mouthy women.
I thought you might sympathize with the terrorists a tad. Oh, sorry, was that hysterical hyperbolae?
Really. But as Liberals go…..there is no rhyme nor reason to what they do. The fact is there are no classical liberals on this board. I come closer to that than anyone here.
That's funny! The liberals on this board don't match your vision so all of a sudden we're not real liberals? I guess we should disregard everything you've ever said about liberals here before. Phew. Here I thought you were talking about US.
You heard it here first, folks!
March 13th, 2006 at 4:13 pmThe trolls distract us from actually taking action…
Comment by Bear Witness
Always with the excuses….if you feel froggy jump.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
No excuses just action...I've made my calls, have you?
March 13th, 2006 at 4:41 pmAs a liberal, I am gonna grant Frist's argument. However, don't we want Iran to watch us? Watch democracy in action and democracy that works by our elected officals and through us by legal means and not by coups or assination.
I hope Iran is watching this censure movement.
The POTUS is not the rule of law. Our consitution is. Period.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:42 pmIn the same post, no less. Aren’t you late for your ‘Angry Sons of the Confederacy’ meeting, Adolf?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
It just shows to go you that you don't know what a liberal is comrade.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:59 pmNo excuses just action…I’ve made my calls, have you?
Comment by Bear Witness
Ghostbusters for sure.
March 13th, 2006 at 5:01 pmOh, so that doesn’t happen? In that case, why are we killing our kids to change them?
Comment by The Witch
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I am rather fond of the way they deal with homosexuals and mouthy women.
I thought you might sympathize with the terrorists a tad. Oh, sorry, was that hysterical hyperbolae?
I don't sympathize with terrorists I just appreciate that at least in some respects they refuse to defend the indefensible.
Really. But as Liberals go…..there is no rhyme nor reason to what they do. The fact is there are no classical liberals on this board. I come closer to that than anyone here.
That’s funny! The liberals on this board don’t match your vision so all of a sudden we’re not real liberals?
Don't blame me because you got to the party after it had been taken over by communists.
I guess we should disregard everything you’ve ever said about liberals here before. Phew. Here I thought you were talking about US.
You heard it here first, folks!
Nope, you neo-liberals are still ratbastardcommiemofos. That hasn't changed.
March 13th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#66 - Dear Walt - You don't think the pro-US movies, newsreels and censorship office had anything to do with American support during WWII do you?? Nah....
#117 - We're not losing the Constitution - we are protecting ourselves from 7th century barbarians who wish to kill us - period. The only people who have to worry about eavesdropping are those in bed with the enemy. But if it will make you feel better, we'll let them destroy YOUR town...
March 13th, 2006 at 5:50 pm#122 By the way, how upset did you get when the Liberal Supremes allowed that city government to steal a citizens land?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
To I-WRONG-I,
So you're back to trying to change the thread by bringing up the so-called Liberal Supreme Court's decision to allow a city government to confiscate people's land again. First of all, seven of the nine judges currently sitting on the Supreme Court were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, one of the times you brought this land confiscation up, I cited George W. Bush's involvement in a land deal in Arlington, Texas that allowed the Texas Rangers to confiscate citizens' land to build a new stadium and make the team's owners multi-millionaires. Below is a passage from just one article about it. You can find more information by Googling "George W. Bush and the Arlington land deal" if this one isn't enough for you:
"Between the sales-tax revenue, state tax exemptions and other finantcial incentives, Texas taxpayers handed the privately owned Rangers more than $200 million in public subsidies. Taxpayers didn't get a return from the stadium's surging new revenues, either. The profits went almost exclusively to the team's already wealthy owners.
The stadium's lease is a case in point. Unlike an apartment tenant, the rent that the team's owners pay is applied toward purchasing the stadium. The maximum yearly rent and maintenence fees for the Rangers are $5 million; the total purchase price for the Ballpark at Arlington is $60 million. Thus, after 12 years the owners will have bought the stadium for less than half of what taxpayers spent on it.
But Bush and his partners weren't satisfied lining their pockets with average Texans' hard-earned cash. They wanted land around the stadium to further boost its value. To that end, they orchestrated a land grab that shortchanged local landowners by several million dollars.
As part of the deal, the city created a separate corporation, the Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority, to manage construction. Using authority granted to it by the city, the ASFDA seized several tracts of land around the stadium site for parking and future development.
Puppet for Bush, Partners
While on paper the Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority was a public entity, in practice it was merely a puppet for Bush and his partners. According to documents obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, the owners would identify the land they wanted to acquire. A Rangers owner, Mike Reilly, a Realtor, would then offer to buy the parcels for prices he set, which in several cases were well below what the owners believed their property was worth. If the landowners refused to sell to the Rangers at the offered price, the Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority could take possession of their land and leave the price to be determined in court.
Several of the landowners took the authority to court over the seizures and won settlements totaling $11 million. In a final insult to taxpayers, the Rangers resisted paying the settlements, trying to pass off yet another cost to Arlington residents."
#125 Chappediack
I guess it’s better their offspring than them
#124 I just kind of find it hard to believe that the whole State Department has only 10 (people fluent in Arabic)
Comments by Tundra —
Do you mean "Chappaquiddick" here? As for "it's better their offspring than them," Senator Kennedy is responsible for exactly the same number of deaths (one) in a car accident as 17-yr. old Laura Welch (now Laura Bush), who ran through a stop sign and ended up killing one of her classmates (rumored to be her ex-boyfriend). You can find out more about this on http://www.nndb.com or wikipedia, among others.
The lack of linguists fluent in Arabic and other languages spoken in Muslim countries in the State Department and other US intelligence agencies has been widely reported, including on this very thinkprogress site. I also read a very good article about this problem in the conservative "Weekly Standard," to which one of my cousins subscribes.
March 13th, 2006 at 5:57 pm#140
Do you mean “Chappaquiddick†here?
Yeah, did the typical guess and plan on looking before I hit post thingie.
Senator Kennedy is responsible for exactly the same number of deaths (one) in a car accident as 17-yr. old Laura Welch (now Laura Bush),
Mine was in response to the Slam on Frists kids for being rowdy Drunks. From what I gathered from your link there was no Alcohol involved in Mrs Bush's accident. I suppose one could argue that Ted had no Alcohol in his system either and that he just went home and had something to drink.
The lack of linguists fluent in Arabic and other languages spoken in Muslim countries in the State Department and other US intelligence agencies has been widely reported
The FBI says that since Sep. 11, the agency has processed 30,000 applicants for linguists in Arabic, Farsi, and other tongues. But it notes that â€out of 20 applicants, we'd be lucky to get one or two.â€
The FBI now has more than 1,200 linguists, an increase of 50 percent since Sep. 11.
I don't deny there is a shortage, but 10 for the entire stare department seemed really low to me. While I couldn't find a figure the FBI has 1200 according to http://www.wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=5325&Itemid=2
March 13th, 2006 at 7:21 pm#141:
Since you obviously didn't get the hint, the sarcasm wasn't just about Frist's sons; all the children of both George and Jeb Bush have been picked up for either drinking or drug problems. George himself and Dixk Cheney have also been arrested for drunk driving in the past. Yes, it's to Laura Welch Bush's credit that liquor doesn't seem to have been involved in the fatal accident she caused. She was, after all, 17 at the time and not at the legal drinking age.
My statement about the 10 linguists applied to the State Dept., for which you have admittedly failed to find data. The information was posted on this very site about a month ago. You should have complained then, if you had issues with it.
I looked at the website you listed above, and here is a quote from it:
"One result of the shortage, according to the Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington-based think tank, is that analysts at the CIA, the FBI, the Defence Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency are â€awash in untranslated gleanings of intelligence†in Arabic. Heritage also said there are not enough interpreters to handle detainees in Iraq. "
The fact , Tundra, which has been confirmed even by conservative think tanks is that the US is still sorely lacking in competent translators/interpreters of Arabic and other Middle East, Afghani languages.
March 13th, 2006 at 8:54 pmAlso, I don't mean to belittle the linguistic skills of your battalion-mates, as I have never met them and am not in the position to judge ability in Arabic. However, from my experience as a professional translator of an Asian language, I can say that there are many people who can communicate adequately to quite well in normal conversatins but who are not capable of working as a translator/interpreter. I myself have flunked people on translation tests who speak the language fairly well. There are also a few I have passed who ended up doing terrible translation work more than once (I'm willing to admit that everyone has a bad day now and then) and had to be dismissed from future assignments. I wouldn't doubt that a similar situation exists with Arabic.
Correction Bill - have you seen the polls lately?
In actuality 36% of the American people are behind the President...
Lets be factualy correct
March 14th, 2006 at 11:28 amI can't believe wiretapping is the only issue under fire. The arrogant president has probably never told the truth in his life. There are so many matters to censure. I'll be here a week naming them. Imagine any REAL American giving a fat rat's behind what our enemies think of us? Does the word enemy imply that these folks will fall in love with us for challanging George W. Bush's stupidity? Who cares!?! Is Frist trying to win over friends, in enemy territory, to take attention off his own negative record. Takes a crook to support another crook. YOU GO RUSS!!!!!
March 15th, 2006 at 5:30 pmyou liberal elite jackasses. you were sitting on your elite asses before 9-11 thinking of how to beat up on America and minimizing the threat to our country. I've heard terms like "the boogey man, and "giant ants" when refering to terrorists. Did the boogey man knock over two of our buildings and kill 3,000 fathers, mothers, sons and daughters or were those giant ants. You weak liberal fools keep bitching and tearing away at this countrys moral fiber and men like me will keep defending your right to do so. In the mean time I hope every one of you move to Canada and live your dream of a socialist non-military state. Oh yeah, Canada doesnt need a military cause those brawlers to the south keep there sniveling asses safe. Frist '08 and that savings and loan criminal bitch "Hillary" hasn't got a chance. And by the way I hope the next "boogey man" doesn't put his dirty bomb in your town. Dickheads
March 17th, 2006 at 4:19 amOh yeah I almost forgot: If you believe in late term abortion, higher taxes, a weaker military, the removal of Jesus and God from this country's foundation, America is on a "crusade," lighter sentences for child molesters, gay marriage, gay adoptions, the belief that our brave soldiers are terrorizing innocent Iraqis, females in combat, the destruction of the 2nd amendment, the notion that our commander-in-chief is Satan, the Palestinians are right, Osama Bin Laden is a "freedom fighter," animals have rights, redistribution of wealth, women should be the head of the household, Christians are wackos, Muslims represent peace and harmony, frivilous lawsuits, non social security reform, single parent households, you can be your childs friend instead of a parent, you think the police should "shoot to wound" when their life is threatened, Jane fonda was a great American and Hollywood is a legitimate political institution you may be a liberal Democrat. God help us all
March 17th, 2006 at 4:40 am[...] Let’s all remember, before the sycophants are trotted out (oops, too late!), that Clinton received a hell of a lot more than a censure because of a consensual act between adults. And last time I checked, blow jobs never compromised terrorist prosecutions like Bush’s actions have. [...]
March 17th, 2006 at 6:34 pm[...] Senator Frist, you are an ass. Keep your fucking treason talk to yourself. The only reason Senator Feingold felt is was necessary to go the way of censure is because your spineless Republican buddies on the Intelligence Committee refused to do their jobs and investigate the president for breaking the law by spying on the American people. 200 years of checks and balances tossed out the window on your watch. So enough with the treason talk. The only “terrible signal” being sent around here is by you and YOUR commander-in-chief for showing the world that the rule of law means nothing in America anymore. [...]
March 19th, 2006 at 12:20 am[...] “And as I was listening to it, I was hoping deep inside that that the leadership in Iran and other people who have the U.S. not in their best interest are not listening because of the terrible signal it sends.”-even more Frist [...]
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re 147: all who match the straw man in anti-lib's screed, please stand up and be counted. All 1 of you....
If we have clean air to breathe, it's because some goddamn liberal didnt like breathing poison, and did something about it.
If we have child labor laws, it's because some liberal stood up for the rights of children.
If we have freedom of religion, it's because some liberal didn't care for the bible-beaters telling him who and how to worship.
If we have laws that protect minorities, it's because some liberal thought it's not right to suppress, oppress, and torture those who are different from all us right white folk.
Go ahead, spread your poison, blame liberals for all your self-inflicted troubles. And when the Constitution is burned to ashes and YOU are the whacko the thought police come after today, you'll wonder what ever happened to the people who cared about you.
April 1st, 2006 at 1:04 amI hate to see so many people misquoting Thomas Jefferson against our nation. Perhaps if you read about his life and values you would see that were he alive he would not be standing with you.
January 31st, 2007 at 1:46 pmThomas Jefferson did not say "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" and Thomas Jefferson did fight also fight a war against Muslim terrorists