Graduation Madness: Tell Nike, Adidas and Reebok To Get Off The Academic Sidelines
Graduation Madness: Tell Nike, Adidas and Reebok To Get Off The Academic Sidelines
Of the 65 teams that qualified for the NCAA men’s basketball tournament (aka March Madness), 30 fail to meet minimum academic standards as defined by the NCAA. Twenty-one of the failing schools are sponsored by Nike, 8 by Adidas and one by Reebok. Over the next two weeks Nike, Adidas and Reebok will profit as these schools — whose players are adorned with their company logos — advance through the tournament.
We’re launching a campaign to pressure Nike, Adidas, and Reebok to use their market power to help these athletes graduate college. Join the campaign HERE. It features an interactive bracket with academic and sponsorship data for each team.
Specifically, we are calling on Nike, Adidas and Reebok to sign on to the following statement of principles:
1. We recognize that as a sponsor, our company has a shared responsibility to ensure that collegiate basketball players graduate.
2. We pledge to provide financial incentives to our sponsored schools that consistently exceed minimal academic standards, as defined by the NCAA.
3. We pledge to terminate sponsorship deals with schools that consistently fail to meet minimal academic standards, as defined by the NCAA.
Act now. Tell Nike, Adidas and Reebok to get off the academic sidelines.
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This is a real eye opener. I’ve often heard evidence that says allowing private sponsorship of schools hurts education. But usually it is more diet reliated and/or problems with private textbooks omiiting any information that they disagree with.
This shows the problem is deeper and more complicated than originally expected. All 30 of the failing schools is sponsored by a show company. That can’t possibly be just a coincidence. %100 of the failing schools has corporate sponsorship for sports teams.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:20 amThis is not well thought through.
Major college basketball and college football are not true ‘amature’ sports performed by college students. They have become minor leagues. That may not be a good thing – but that is the case. The up side is that fans have an easy allegience and the schools get a revenue source (for which they do invest a good amount, true). The downside is that not all atheletes graduate.
But, if you remember that this is really is a minor league, the non-graduation is not a big deal. If it were a minor league outside of the schools, the atheletes would not get any schooling beyond high school. They may not even graduate high school, as that would not be required.
I am sure there are much more worthy things for us to work on, even to pressure these companies on.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:24 amFor the players involved, it is not a “minor league” Only 0.8% end up playing professional sports. See our fact sheet.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:27 amInstead of spending more money on spoiles athletes who made a decision not to educate themselves, why don’t we ask Nike to help someone who really needs help.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:29 amDoesn’t this also encourage alumni giving. Isn’t that what it’s all about any way? Has any one who ever graduated from a college, that gives degrees or special assistance to athletes, ever had their resume turned down because they went to one of Those colleges. Pampering atheletes is just a business decision. If you want to influence anything ridicule the alumni and the faculty.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:33 amI don’t think it’s fair to label all college basketball players as “spoiled athletes.” Many of them came from poverty, don’t make any money playing college basketball and will never play professional sports.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:34 amOf the 20 million kids and young people participating in organized athletics from preschool to seniors in college, only 400 will make a liveable wage from athletics. Of the b-ball players playing in the Final Four Tournament, only a few will play in the pros–probably 90% or higher are on full scholarship.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:35 amhow many poli -sci majors go on to washington?
I agree with the premise, but college auposedly prepares all for the future, but most who graduate spend the rest of there lives paying it back. there is no gaurantee of a job, or advanced position (especially in the current climate)’
i deeply regret going to college, and unless you are planning a life in academics, stop wasting your time and find a job when your young…then you will have already 4 years “real-world” experience when the graduate comes on the scene
March 13th, 2006 at 11:43 amWhile I agree that these companies need to be pressured to support education that supports students, the problems with college athletics are far more complicated than Nike, Reebook and others. These are merely symptoms of a growing influence of corporations in the sphere of the University. Universities themselves are becoming increasingly run by a “corporate” way of administration. That is, these schools often consider only the bottom line, of the University, which is dollar amount, not educational output. Thus most atheltes become exploited labor, producing far more revenue intake for the school than they ever take out.
These institutions are acting as a “minor league” for the professional leagues, even if the students themselves do not often benifit. In fact witness the ways in which the NFL (the NBA wants to copy) does not allow players to be drafted until they have worked in college.
Colleges themselves need to take responsibility for what they are doing, the NCAA needs to take responsibility. Perhaps paying atheltes for their work, or offering scholarships to them after their playing days are up. (This would allow them to actually do the college work instead of just passing classes to play ball.) And let’s not forget that for many of these athletes it actually costs them to play college sports, as the scholarships do not cover the full costs, yet do to work load cannot hold another job.
The system is serioulsy flawed, and yes Nike, Reebok, and other companies benifit from these flaws. And yes I will happily let them know my concerns, but realy change has to come on the level of educational reform, and legislation restricting the professional leagues.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:45 amWhat about the working conditions for people who make these shoes? They are the ones who truly suffer…
March 13th, 2006 at 11:47 amthis is stupid. you may as well run a campaign demanding that nerds be given special one-to-one development of their basketball skills. shouldn’t students take some measure of responsibility for their education, shouldn’t the teaching staff? if nike or adidas threaten to remove funding from a failing school, is anything going to change? it’s a marketplace. the real issue would to be to address the entire issue of these corporations involvement with schools.
the article (and the link) also don’t demonstrate that the schools are failing BECAUSE of nike, adidas, etc. no figures are provided.
asking for a carrot or stick approach from enormous corporations only interested in uncovering star athletes is not going to work. if one company drops a school that has value in terms of its athletes, another will pick it up.
March 13th, 2006 at 11:59 amGreat idea, execution could be improved. BTW – some team logos are wrong.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:00 pmSo 8/1000 make it to the major leagues? That sounds like the minors to me.
I have yet to hear why getting only some education along the way is a bad thing. Would you have someone bar these athletes from entering the major leagues or require them to stay in school if they choose to leave?
The link between college and college basketball/football is an oddity built in the past. There is no necessary link. Why require a college education? Why is 4 years and a degree good; but three years and no degree bad?
March 13th, 2006 at 12:02 pmWe aren’t claiming that the schools are failing because of Nike and Adidas and Reebok. We are saying that these companies are profiting and have an obligation to help.
College basketball has become a buisness. This campaign is about using market forces to help athletes. We don’t claim that this will solve every problem, but you have to start somewhere.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAnother review would be the amount of public money spent on state univeristies and the graduation rates of those universities. Are Americans getting their money’s worth?
Unless you drill down to the specific sport graduation rate vs general population, the Athelete rate looks pretty good but it is the non funded sports such as track, swimming and golf that dismal graduation rates of football and basketball teams.
http://www.ncaa.org/grad_rates/2005/d1_school_data.html
March 13th, 2006 at 12:07 pmWhat about the working conditions for people who make these shoes? They are the ones who truly suffer…
Comment by David
They make enough to eat and that’s more than they had before the factory went on-line. There will always be poor.
I’d like to see the schools be forced to play only those students who meet minimum academic standards and are on track to graduate on time. I also like the idea of Nike and the others putting more back into the communities that they are ripping off by selling $200 tennis shoes to kids who have to turn to crime to pay for them. Earn an A, stay out of trouble and get a pair of shoes.
What college and professional sports lacks are decent role models. It sure would be nice to see a professional basketball player that can speak English, write a complete sentence and whose teeth don’t glow in the dark.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:11 pmI never did get why because someone can throw a ball good, they get slack on their education? Business+Sports=bad business. I wouldn’t want to see players look like nascar billboard people.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:14 pmI would like to see someone name one school, public or private, that isn’t run by special interest groups, corporations and/or military. The Ivy League schools are dependent on military money! As far as I am concerned, universities are no longer learning institutions as they graduate as many people as possible in the name of the almighty dollar. I seem to remember that a man by the name of Ernie Chambers of Omaha, NE was stating that players in major sports should be paid back in the 1970s. The players were doing quite well on campus then and even better now. The entire educational system has gone bad, from grade school to graduate school. Where in the dickens did all of those fast food restaurants and vending machines come from anyway? Schools see more in money than their students or teachers anymore.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:22 pmThe purpose of college is to get an education that will prepare the individual for living and working in the world. We must not confuse the issue that colleges serve as farm camps and teams. Your company can support academic achievement in college by athletes by the position and incentives that you offer. I aks you do do so
March 13th, 2006 at 12:24 pmAh, so that the people who are making shoes are able to eat is good enough? What a joke! My hunch is that the working conditions themselves are horrible, employ children, and ensure that exploitation is alive and well.
The shoe companies have a moral responsibility to their employees, not just their stakeholders.
I believe that this campaign is honorable, but misguided. The people who are suffering most are not the young men and women who play basketball, it’s the women and children who are working to make these shoes at exorbitant mark-up prices so that the CEOs and stockholders can buy their yachts and fancy cars.
For those of you who comment on this topic, I’m curious, what kind of shoes do you wear?
March 13th, 2006 at 12:37 pmDavid, I don’t think this campaign and your ideas are at cross purposes. This is about getting these companies to take social responsibility more seriously.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:42 pm“This campaign is about using market forces to help athletes. We don’t claim that this will solve every problem, but you have to start somewhere.”
where are the market forces? oh, pressure from progressive bloggers, that well known economic force that moves mountains. in the information-sphere, blogs can punch their weight, but applied in this way, it is simply misguided prosletyzing. and it does matter that there are no figures to support a link between nike sponsorship and a drop in academic performance, as the company’s could rightly say that without such a link where is the justification for them making an intervention.
i think this whole campaign was thought out during a single NCAA game. as such, it may deserve some kind of Half-Baked Idea of the Year Award.
if the education these athletes are missing out on could produce intellects as brilliant as the brains who assembled this campaign, it would be money wasted.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:47 pmWhoever named it “March Madness” had it right.
March 13th, 2006 at 12:55 pm#20 The shoe companies have a moral responsibility to their employees, not just their stakeholders.
Not at all, all the company should care about is their stakeholders and their bottom line. If hurting the employee’s affects either of these, then they have a responsibility to the employees in context, and only in context, to their real responsibilities. Until then, to bad, it’s the cost of staying in business.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:04 pmAh, so that the people who are making shoes are able to eat is good enough? What a joke!
Comment by David
Being able to eat is everything. Good enough for who? There aren’t enough resources or brains on this earth for everyone to be able to live like you do. It’s not possible. The first step in learning humility is that not every bad thing is possible to change. Poverty is one of those things.
My hunch is that the working conditions themselves are horrible, employ children, and ensure that exploitation is alive and well.
You worry too much. Ditto above. I’m sure the kid who goes to bed with a full stomach thanks to Nike would love for you to shut his plant down or move it to another country. LOL
The people who are suffering most are not the young men and women who play basketball, it’s the women and children who are working to make these shoes at exorbitant mark-up prices so that the CEOs and stockholders can buy their yachts and fancy cars.
Don’t forget the players with the billion dollar promotional deals that add to the enormous overhead of selling crappy shoes to illiterate gang bangers.
For those of you who comment on this topic, I’m curious, what kind of shoes do you wear?
I’ve got some way cool dark blue tennies that I bought from Target for $10.00. Today I’m wearing a Johnston & Murphy business casual made from the hide of an endangered water buffalo and hand sewn by the virgin daughters of a tribe of semi-pro basketball players in S. Central LA.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pm1. We recognize that as a sponsor, our company has a shared responsibility to ensure that collegiate basketball players graduate.
Why? If the players won’t take care of themselves, we should hand hold them?
2. We pledge to provide financial incentives to our sponsored schools that consistently exceed minimal academic standards, as defined by the NCAA.
Ahhhh, so the sponsors are supposed to pay more money if the college does it’s job and educates the players?
3. We pledge to terminate sponsorship deals with schools that consistently fail to meet minimal academic standards, as defined by the NCAA.
This becomes a “Sponsors” job? Why doesn’t the NCAA do something as opposed to the people who are helping by footing the bill?
Personally I think the approach may be better aimed at the NCAA for removing the schools that don’t meet the requirements. If they fail they don’t play. If they don’t play then noone will want to sponsor them. Just my 2 cents worth.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:16 pm[Deleted by admin.]
You know what? Slaves in the south had plenty to eat. Yeah, you probably think they were OK too. What the hell? They eat. Guess what? Slaves had shelter, too. Yeah, they had it way too good. Then we had to go and ruin it all.
Thanks, IRIGHTI, for showing us what the “CHRISTIAN” right is all about. Having enough to eat. Great Christian values, buddy.
Secondlly, I love TP and everything on it, but frankly I am more concerned about seeing non-athletes graduate. I have taught and tutored college athletes, and the ones who don’t graduate have no one to blame but themselves. Plus, the four year standard is a joke anymore. Few people of any major, athletes or not, graduate in four years anymore. It’s an unrealistic expectation, and really not always a good goal. Pushing students to graduate in four years may not be a good thing, especially if they change majors, pursue some time off to reflect on where they are going, etc. Four years isn’t for everyone.
Here in Ohio college affordability is at rock bottom. We are nearing dead last in the country. Average students can’t even HOPE to graduate in four years if they have to work their way through school. It’s a joke. I would love to see TP focus on helping ALL students who need a college education, not just athletes.
But rock on, TP. Still a big supporter.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:43 pm“The first step in learning humility is that not every bad thing is possible to change. Poverty is one of those things. MizzWrong Reichwing Whacko”
Hey, who pulled you off the ban list you hatemonger.
As for your little ‘rant’, well it just shows what a moron, and a fool republicans are.
- Poverty rate in Rome – 95%
- Poverty rate in the US early in the 20th century 40-50%
- Poverty rate in the US under Clinton 11%
Your ‘pessimism’ and ‘defeatism’ is as consistent as your ignorance, hatred and racism. You make a perfect inept and foolish republican. Just because you’re a defeatist fool with no vision, no hope and no belief in improving poverty doesn’t make it so. In fact history shows that society can make great strides in removing poverty.
The current problem we have is republican ignorance, more than societal poverty. Until we ‘fix’ fools like you, the country and the world will never be a better place for long.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmToday I’m wearing a Johnston & Murphy business casual made from the hide of an endangered water buffalo and hand sewn by the virgin daughters of a tribe of semi-pro basketball players in S. Central LA.
I for once chuckled while reading I-Right-I without wanting to punch my computer screen at the same time.
I disagree with the overall sentiment of IRI’s post though. The fact that the shoes that Nike sells for $130 a pair probably cost $5 in materials, $2 in labor, and $20 in marketing doesn’t mean we should all be lauding Nike for being such a great employer and benefactor to those kids in the sweatshops in Asia.
That’s like saying the African-American slaves in the South in the 18th and 19th century should be grateful for having a roof over their head, some food, and something to do during the day.
Free market = increasing gap in rich and poor. That simple. We end up with Lords and Serfs. Kings and Peasants. GOP Congressmen and Middle America.
That being said, I applaud the desire to hold these companies accountable, Judd. But I’d be more inclined to hold them accountable for their business practices overseas.
(This whole evil shoe company thing reminds me of a book called “Jennifer Government.” Read it. Satirical look at where we are heading as a nation.)
March 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI guess I disagree with your opinions. I personally think that people with more power have a moral responsibility to those with less power. And I also suppose sarcastic remarks leave one feeling good about their own moral standing, be it ambiguous or not.
I personally think health care, better paying wages, and perhaps an opportuntiy to rise above abject poverty are just some pie in the sky ideals that people shouldn’t strive for; it’s every person for himself or herself, I guess.
I personally don’t think food is enough. More can be done for those people making shoes. I think better wages could be paid, and living conditions be improved, if nothing else. And would that really hurt the stakeholders that much? How much would it cost them, especially with such high mark ups on their products, to take care of its workforce? Do any of us know what kind of food these people are eating?
‘Should’ companies care only about their stakeholders as I believe that they have a moral responsibility, as #24 pointed out? I would guess that this is a polemic (as my argument could be construed in that manner, as well).
March 13th, 2006 at 1:48 pmohdave
March 13th, 2006 at 1:49 pmIf you can’t graduate in 4 years while working, your stupid, not average. Try a state school, or more loans. Unless your school offers something like internships, any BS should be doable in 4 years, otherwise once again, your stupid. College isn’t for anyone, someone has to flip the burgers (or make the shoes fits better in this thread I guess).
What a disgusting moral relativism. ” Not everyone can live like us in the US, so what the hell? Let’s just continue to exploit them to support our consumerist lifestyle. As long as they can eat, they can continue to produce the products that sustain my desire for cheap crap. ”
Ladies and gentlemen, let’s hear it for the Christian right. I’m sure you speak for many, IRIGHTI.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:49 pm31– Ever try to graduate from college while raising a family? Thought not. Some quarters you may not be able to pay the tuition bill. Doesn’t make you stupid. Makes you a citizen of the Bush economy.
No comment, however, on whether using “your” in place of “you’re” makes you stupid.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:53 pmHaving a family while in college? Fine planning on that one. So because you can’t manage your own life blame Bush? Last I checked the economy is going up up up.
And sadly, I know my grammer sucks.
March 13th, 2006 at 1:56 pmIf you can’t graduate in 4 years while working, your stupid, not average. Try a state school, or more loans. Unless your school offers something like internships, any BS should be doable in 4 years, otherwise once again, your stupid. College isn’t for anyone, someone has to flip the burgers (or make the shoes fits better in this thread I guess).
I’m guessing you flunked grammer, squegeeboo. I’ll take fries with that, please.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:04 pm34, does everyone in the world have to go to college immediately after HS and graduate four years later? Then if you don’t you’re stupid?
Or in the case of an unwanted pregnancy, let’s see, should my wife and I have had an abortion? No, can’t do that, according to you people… We should have the child and then be eternally castigated by the likes of you “family values” folks for not “planning” properly. Jesus, you people are never satisfied. Make up your fucking minds.
Tuition is up (about 10% per year in Ohio) in part because of 5 years of Republican budget cuts (as I said we are near last in the US in college affordability) and wages are stagnant, so yes, it is partly Bush’s and the Republican’s fault. I know that before the GOP controlled budgets in Columbus and Washington, public universities had a great deal more support.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pmPersonally, I think the athletes can struggle through. It really is up to the athletes to make it, not up to the shoe factory which sponsors them.
That said, the pressure you should be using should be on your university league to disqualify teams which don’t meet the minimum NCAA standards. You don’t meet the educational requirements your team does not get on TV, and you don’t get to play anybody else. It’s a bit indirect but the pressure will have a more lasting effect then just going after specific sponsors. A basic freeze out if you will.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pmBobcat: I didn’t flunk it, not sure how, but I didn’t. That said, I know my grammer is bad, see above post, so on important things I have friends with good grammer check it for me. On Internet blogs some how it dosn’t seem to matter to me. You want those fries supersized by the way? Or with a coke?
ohdave: Unplanned pregnancies don’t have to happen, you can wait, you can use all sorts of birth control, abortion, I’m against personally, but if its not my fetus, I don’t really care if you guys kill it or not. And then theres always the morning after pill, even walmart carries it now.
Instead of going to college later on in life, while I respect the effort and energy it takes, you should go right after HS. Otherwise you are stupid. College degrees for most white collar jobs are becoming a norm. So you should go thru College ASAP to gurantee maximum wages at later stages in life.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:11 pmHaving a family while in college? Fine planning on that one. So because you can’t manage your own life blame Bush?
I guess you’re assuming that everyone goes to college immediately after high school. What about the person who wasn’t able to for some reason (that you couldn’t fathom)? Let’s say they went back to school in their late 20s/early 30s looking to improve their position in life for them and their family. Isn’t that the “hard work’ value that the GOP always talks about?
Last I checked the economy is going up up up.
Are you referring to the increasing national debt, the increasing personal debt, or the increasing gap between rich and poor? Because you are right, all of those are going up.
And sadly, I know my grammer sucks.
I agree with you on one thing.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:15 pmBobcat: You want those fries supersized by the way? Or with a coke?
No thanks. I don’t eat fast food. Salads and grilled chicken for me. I don’t enjoy being overweight like most red staters.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI’d like to see the schools be forced to play only those students who meet minimum academic standards and are on track to graduate on time.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
You would until sports got really boring and then you’d whine to get them back in.
In theory, I agree. In reality, it will never happen. Come to Georgia, I’ll let you teach my class for a week and find out why.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:20 pmUntil we ‘fix’ fools like you, the country and the world will never be a better place for long.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 13, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
Ryan,
In other words… never.
What’s that saying about people having to admit there is a problem before they can fix it? Not only does he refuse to acknowledge that their is a problem, but he’s rolling around in it like a pig in its own excrement thinking life is just dandy.
Now you know why it smells in here…
March 13th, 2006 at 2:23 pmHaving a family while in college? Fine planning on that one. So because you can’t manage your own life blame Bush? Last I checked the economy is going up up up.
Comment by squegeeboo — March 13, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
No, that’s just your weight. Put down the fork when you are full… otherwise you’re eating some starving kid’s lunch (and, in your case, probably his dinner and breakfast too).
March 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmWhat I want to know is why people are making millions off a little boys game when police officers and teachers are barely making a living wage?
March 13th, 2006 at 2:27 pmInstead of going to college later on in life, while I respect the effort and energy it takes, you should go right after HS.
So, everyone should follow Squeegeeboo’s Life Plan? Gotcha. All hail Squeegeeboo! He knows what’s best for us all (like all Republicans do).
Otherwise you are stupid.
So, if you can’t go to college when you’re 19, you’re stupid. Wow. That’s a sweeping generalization.
College degrees for most white collar jobs are becoming a norm. So you should go thru College ASAP to gurantee maximum wages at later stages in life.
Let me guess. You’re, between 18-21, right? You have all the answers and everyone should be on the Squeegeeboo Road To Success?
Man, we must all look small from up on your high horse.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:28 pmBobcat: Conveniently enough, most fast-food places have salads now, so I can still help you there.
Personal debt-Personal problem. If your over using a credit card, it’s your own fault. National dept? To much welfare/benefit spending, drop the gov’t back to what it’s supposed to be, defending the nation, at least half the departments are not necessary. Increasing gap between rich and poor? From what I’ve seen of the poor that stay poor the majority do it to themselves with their wonderful decision making skills. And the only gap I’ve ever seen actual numbers for is between the hyper-rich and the rest of us.
On the plus side, at least we agreed with my final point. So that’s a basis we can start building from, here’s another in the spirit of bipartisanism, my spelling is also sub-par.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pmBobcat:So, everyone should follow Squeegeeboo’s Life Plan? Gotcha. All hail Squeegeeboo! He knows what’s best for us all (like all Republicans do).
Glad you finally came around to my way of thinking, welcome aboard.
unbelivable:No, that’s just your weight. Put down the fork when you are full… otherwise you’re eating some starving kid’s lunch (and, in your case, probably his dinner and breakfast too).
When did I ever say I was fat? And if the starving kid want’s a lunch, maybe he should talk to his mom and dad about working for the money to buy him one, or heck, if he’s over 16, he can get a job.
“So, if you can’t go to college when you’re 19, you’re stupid. Wow. That’s a sweeping generalization.”
March 13th, 2006 at 2:38 pmAny one I ever met who didn’t go to college when they were young claims they couldn’t. Never any reason why they couldn’t. With the cost of community college, anyone can afford it while working fulltime, even without loans. (Excepting the stupid ones who have to deal with unexpected children, due to the really hard instructions on Birth Control packages apparently) If you excel in CC, then you can get scholarships to continue your Higher education, if you can’t excel, your stupid. It’s CC for christ sake.
unbelivable:No, that’s just your weight. Put down the fork when you are full… otherwise you’re eating some starving kid’s lunch (and, in your case, probably his dinner and breakfast too).
Okay, wallace… a lesson in humor. It’s not funny when you repeat someone else’s quip. Sad and pathetic, but not funny.
When did I ever say I was fat? And if the starving kid want’s a lunch, maybe he should talk to his mom and dad about working for the money to buy him one, or heck, if he’s over 16, he can get a job.
Comment by squegeeboo — March 13, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
You should leave your livingroom occasionally. Then you wouldn’t be asking such assinine questions.
I can tell you’re fat. Gluttons usually are.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWhat I want to know is why people are making millions off a little boys game when police officers and teachers are barely making a living wage?
Comment by unbelievable
Screwed up priorities. That’s why. That and free market priniciples.
There are only 350+ NBA players in the world. There are only 750 MLB players. Granted there are 1600 NFL positions. Supply and demand…
Is it right? No. But neither is half of the designer clothing manufacturers employing children at $.40/hr to sell you that $60 shirt. But hey, even millionaires need someone’s child to profit off of.
March 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmPersonal debt-Personal problem.
True statement. How about government regulation then on the predatory practices of credit card companies from offering credit to people who have no business having it? How about telling credit card companies that they aren’t allowed on a college campus to give away free T-shirts if you apply for a credit card?
If your over using a credit card, it’s your own fault.
Yup. But most Americans are not educated about credit. I believe this starts in the home, but I think all high schools should teach a personal finances course.
National dept? To much welfare/benefit spending, drop the gov’t back to what it’s supposed to be, defending the nation, at least half the departments are not necessary.
If you cut welfare, you’ll end up with more people in poverty, not less. Which ‘half the departments’ should be cut? Obviously nothing that affects Squeegeebob, right? Details, please.
Increasing gap between rich and poor? From what I’ve seen of the poor that stay poor the majority do it to themselves with their wonderful decision making skills.
Okay. If the poor stay the same, then that increasing gap is happening at the other end. Where the rich are becoming richer by tax breaks and corporate giveaways. Why do you support a group of uber-rich Republicans that really could give a crap about you as an indivdual?
And the only gap I’ve ever seen actual numbers for is between the hyper-rich and the rest of us.
Yup. And that’s okay in your book? They continue to accumulate wealth and the rest of us continue to lose it. Great plan.
On the plus side, at least we agreed with my final point. So that’s a basis we can start building from, here’s another in the spirit of bipartisanism, my spelling is also sub-par.
Okay. We agree you’re education level isn’t good. Can we then extrapolate that your reason skills are good either?
March 13th, 2006 at 2:53 pmAny one I ever met who didn’t go to college when they were young claims they couldn’t. Never any reason why they couldn’t.
Did you bother to ask? Or just assume you knew?
With the cost of community college, anyone can afford it while working fulltime, even without loans.
There you go assuming you know everyone’s situation. Exactly. Everyone is just as priviledged as Squeegeebob, right? I mean, someone’s life couldn’t have been dealt a horrible blow at the time they were getting ready to go to college, right? My wife’s dad didn’t die when she was 18 and her college fund was gone to pay the medical bills his care incurred fighting cancer for 2 years, right? She had to work for 2 years to save up money, but she’s “stupid” for not going to college right after HS, right?
Feels good being superior to us all, right?
(Excepting the stupid ones who have to deal with unexpected children, due to the really hard instructions on Birth Control packages apparently)
Where to start? First off, guess what? All birth control isn’t 100% effective. Second, aren’t you supposed to be against birth control, conservative?
What would you do, Squeege? Suppose you were a woman. 18. Ready to go to college. You get pregnant because a condom broke and your loser boyfriend is tending bar in Vegas. Now what? Abortion and college? Or have a baby and be ’stupid for not going to college right after HS?’
Which?
If you excel in CC, then you can get scholarships to continue your Higher education, if you can’t excel, your stupid. It’s CC for christ sake.
You’re. You’re. You’re. It’s simple. Read the sentence and say ‘you are.’ If it makes sense, use You’re.
Oh, and you just used your Lord’s name in vain. I’m telling.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:03 pmunbelievable: Repeated the joke because I did not realise it as such, so you would understand what my comment under it was about. Didn’t mean to ruin your good time.
bobcat: If you believe personal debt is a personal problem, why would you want the gov’t involved in it with regulation?
The HS course I could agree with if it was optional. If it was required people who didn’t want to be there would ruin the learning for people actually trying to learn to budget for themselves.
Yes, I have no issue with the hyper rich. Seeing how as most are huge philanthropists, and do a lot more for society than any poor I’ve ever met.
Poor grammer and spelling can be fixed by the computer and freinds, if you think that they are true signs of educational level you must not know a lot of engineers.
And shouldn’t it be reason skills are not good, or aren’t good? Two can play that game.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pmI’d like to see the schools be forced to play only those students who meet minimum academic standards and are on track to graduate on time.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
You would until sports got really boring and then you’d whine to get them back in.
Comment by unbelievable
Nope, I’m not a sports junky at all. Spectator sports have turned into a mindless past time for losers who want to idolize losers. But I think you missed my ulterior motive. If they require that a ball player cracks the books more than he cracks the ho’s you’ll see a lot more white faces on the teams and a lot more black faces at graduation. My way it’s a win/win.
In theory, I agree. In reality, it will never happen. Come to Georgia, I’ll let you teach my class for a week and find out why.
The little bastards would toe the line with a man in front of the class. (Of course I’d require a blanket pardon signed by the governor and a carry permit.)
March 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pmThe Fact Sheet is misleading. It lists an overall rate of 0.8% that go on to play pro basketball, but doesn’t list the figure for those schools with low graduation rates.
What’s the percentage in the top 25 ranked schools? What’s the percentage in the schools with the below-fifty-percent graduration rates?
I’m all for college educations, but for many of these kids their basketball careers are the biggest opportunity for success that they’re going to, and to jeopardize that by enforcing them receiving a degree doesn’t seem to me to really be in their best interest.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pmhttp://www.avengingangels.org/webads/Dubai-postcard.gif
March 13th, 2006 at 3:18 pmAfter reading the oh so intense debate here, I guess my first question is why is there even a discussion about the older college student?
First off “Most” older college students have nothing to do with sports in their school. Secondly if they have a family and are trying to better themselves, the entire object of “Cool Shoes Cmpanies” helping them graduate is pretty Moot.
Squeegeboo: Well if someone went to school after say a stint in the military to pay for it are they Stupid?
March 13th, 2006 at 3:39 pmI’m all for college educations, but for many of these kids their basketball careers are the biggest opportunity for success that they’re going to, and to jeopardize that by enforcing them receiving a degree doesn’t seem to me to really be in their best interest.
Comment by EvilCornbread
That sounds racist to me. IOW they are too f’ing stupid to pass a few already dumbed down classes. So your idea is to just let them play ball and ruin it for the kids that can do both? I’ve got a better idea. Those that can’t make the grade should be put out in the fields doing stoop labor for minimum wage and those that are really that good can be drafted right out of their fifth year of sixth grade.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:40 pmScrewed up priorities. That’s why. That and free market priniciples.
There are only 350+ NBA players in the world. There are only 750 MLB players. Granted there are 1600 NFL positions. Supply and demand…
Is it right? No. But neither is half of the designer clothing manufacturers employing children at $.40/hr to sell you that $60 shirt. But hey, even millionaires need someone’s child to profit off of.
Comment by bobcat_grad — March 13, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
I agree… Question was mostly rhetorical, but I think it doesn’t hurt to remind ourselves that our priorities don’t include people.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#57: What in the world is racist about what I just said?!
The simple fact is that most of those that are playing at the top of the college game have very lucrative pro basketball careers as a possibility, and to prevent them from capitalizing on that so that they can get some random meaningless sociology degree doesn’t seem like you’re really doing them much of a service.
If a student can do both, good for them — they’ll have more options available to them if their sports career doesn’t come together. But lets not pretend that the top tier of college atheletes are really majoring in anything but their sport.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pmWhat a disgusting moral relativism. †Not everyone can live like us in the US, so what the hell? Let’s just continue to exploit them to support our consumerist lifestyle. As long as they can eat, they can continue to produce the products that sustain my desire for cheap crap. â€
Ladies and gentlemen, let’s hear it for the Christian right. I’m sure you speak for many, IRIGHTI.
Comment by ohdave
It doesn’t bother me Dave. There’s nothing I can or care to do about a foreign company that pays a foreign works less than our minimum wage. As for our materialism…there’s only one thing that will temper that vanity in the American life and your side has all but made it illegal. Besides, you want the cheap crap just as much as anyone else.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pmBut I think you missed my ulterior motive.
Highly unlikely :)
If they require that a ball player cracks the books more than he cracks the ho’s you’ll see a lot more white faces on the teams and a lot more black faces at graduation. My way it’s a win/win.
How is that a win-win for a guy who isn’t a sports junkie?
The little bastards would toe the line with a man in front of the class.
You think so? I think I need a few minutes to stop laughing….
(Of course I’d require a blanket pardon signed by the governor and a carry permit.)
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 3:11 pm
Purdue is a Repugnicant, just show him your card, he’d give you whatever you want. Perhaps even a lobotomy. Please ask.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pmVISIT.
March 13th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAs for our materialism…there’s only one thing that will temper that vanity in the American life and your side has all but made it illegal. Besides, you want the cheap crap just as much as anyone else.
Wait, aren’t the ultra-liberal granola-eating hippies the ones that are generally rejecting materialism, and didn’t our neo-con President encourage us to keep on spending after 9/11?
March 13th, 2006 at 3:58 pmIOW they are too f’ing stupid to pass a few already dumbed down classes.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
I bet YOU couldn’t pass my class.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:10 pmHey, who pulled you off the ban list you hatemonger.
Comment by Ryan Neat
The outcry for my reinstatement was so loud that the management has seen fit to give me one more one last chance. Plus Tom Daschle is gone now so it’s safe to let me back on the board.
Hatemonger? Moi? You’re a shameless black kettle Ryan.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#57: What in the world is racist about what I just said?!
Comment by EvilCornbread
Well…the kids you are talking about are Black. It is standard practice among the liberal intelligentsia to “level the playing field” for Black students because it is clear from past history that they can not make the grade more often than not. So, once again your plan is to just let them slide, let them play because “let’s face it, they are not smart enough to do anything else.”
I have a different point of view. I think it’s because we as a culture baby Black kids (all kids really) and don’t FORCE them to work to their potential. I see no reason to reward the lazy kid just because he can play ball on a NBA level. It’s too easy. That’s another reason there are almost ZERO number of NBA players with the slightest hint of class or manly virtue. They are spoiled punks, nearly to a man.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:38 pmThis is a great idea. Here’s why.
The enormous amount of money poured into these programs is without moral direction. 99.2% of these athletes never go on to play professional sports and only 56% of which actually graduate. Yet, these schools and sponsors make a killing from marketing these athletes often at the expense of the atheltes’ education and future. Having graduated from a big time Big East school, I know firsthand that most of these athletes walk away from school not having graduated only to return to their hometowns degree-less and jobless with only the memories of a highlight catch or dunk or two. If we simply raise the profile of this pressing issue to better educate these athletes and prepare them for the real world, many of whom come from impoverished backgrounds more or less, then only positive change, at a minimal cost, should ensue.
These athletes at the very least are owed a chance to make something out of themselves as they’ve contributed mightly to making something out of their schools and sponsors.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pmI bet YOU couldn’t pass my class.
Comment by unbelievable
It might take a bit of after hours private tutoring but I bet I’d ace it.
March 13th, 2006 at 4:40 pmI have a different point of view. I think it’s because we as a culture baby Black kids (all kids really) and don’t FORCE them to work to their potential.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
There are smart, straight A students in my classes who are black. It has nothing to do with their skin color. Most of the time, it has to do with their home environment and whether or not they are being ‘nurtured’ to succeed. Same is true of every other ethnicity out there. I have lazy white kids who are failing. And Asian kids who are average. The stereo-types don’t apply most of the time. It is how much the children are supported and encouraged by their parents to be ‘winners’ (healthy self-esteem).
The problem is our culture (the system), and I agree that we need to evaluate our priorities and our expectations. Because, I’ve learned that when we expect the best from people, we almost always get it. And I think you know exactly what I mean by that… :)
March 13th, 2006 at 4:50 pmIt might take a bit of after hours private tutoring but I bet I’d ace it.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
Oh, in your case, it’d be a lot .
March 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pmOh, in your case, it’d be a lot .
Comment by unbelievable
You’re right. I’m pretty dumb when I wanna be.
March 13th, 2006 at 5:14 pmWell…the kids you are talking about are Black. It is standard practice among the liberal intelligentsia to “level the playing field†for Black students because it is clear from past history that they can not make the grade more often than not. So, once again your plan is to just let them slide, let them play because “let’s face it, they are not smart enough to do anything else.â€
Well, SOME of them are black. Looking at the NCAA tournament teams this year, I see a lot of non-black faces in the crowd. Don’t try to turn this into a race issue when it’s not.
Please read the entirety of my posts…you’re very clearly mischaracterizing my position.
March 13th, 2006 at 5:15 pmYou’re right. I’m pretty dumb when I wanna be.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 13, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
So you might have to take the class multiple times then?
March 13th, 2006 at 5:54 pmThe “Send to a friend” petition email button produces an ERROR page for the Graduation Madness campaign! Please fix! I was trying to send to several people.
March 14th, 2006 at 4:14 amWhat’s the big deal about taking longer? There are things that take me longer to learn than others. There are things I learn quickly. If college happens to be something that takes longer for someone to master the material, so be it. Sponsoring companies should offer to pay the extra tuition for college athletes who need more than 4 years. Secondarily, it might encourage athletes who can do the work to study harder since they couldn’t count on “getting over” and out in 4 years. The sponsoring companies should also pay for any necessary ongoing tutoring. Maybe a liaison with each college would help keep them on top of their players’ academic progress and performance in a helpful way.
March 14th, 2006 at 4:30 amI have a different point of view. I think it’s because we as a culture baby Black kids (all kids really) and don’t FORCE them to work to their potential.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
You lose all right to ever try to claim you aren’t racist.
Man, it must be tough being so perfect with all of the answers and having to deal with us peons. You poor, poor, elitist conservative.
March 14th, 2006 at 8:20 amI have a different point of view. I think it’s because we as a culture baby Black kids (all kids really) and don’t FORCE them to work to their potential.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
You lose all right to ever try to claim you aren’t racist.
Man, it must be tough being so perfect with all of the answers and having to deal with us peons. You poor, poor, elitist conservative.
Comment by bobcat_grad
I know, I know. Anyone who suggests that black kids are lazy, misguided and corrupted culturally instead of just stupid and in need of Liberal tokens is a racist. Y’all said the same thing about Bill Cosby when he blasted Black America for being self destructive. I don’t claim to have all the answers loser but I am several pages ahead of you. Elitist? Hardly, I leave that tag to the race whores on the Donk side who demand that Black America can not survive without them.
March 14th, 2006 at 9:29 amHere’s a statistic for you I-RIGHT-I, since you’re prone to generalizations…
Of all black children who go to college 90-95% of them are female.
Of all Latino children who go to college 85-90% of them are female.
Of all white children who go to college 65-70% of them are female.
If any generalization is to be made, it is that boys are lazier than girls.
Why do you think that is? Well, lemme tell you – because woman have been taught to be more lenient on their sons, because boys are favored. As a result, girls have to work twice as hard to be thought half as smart. And the men in our culture are not living up to their obligations.
You should support equal rights for women, and you’ll help solve the dilemma we are facing as a culture.
March 14th, 2006 at 11:49 amWhy do you think that is? Well, lemme tell you – because woman have been taught to be more lenient on their sons, because boys are favored. As a result, girls have to work twice as hard to be thought half as smart. And the men in our culture are not living up to their obligations.
You should support equal rights for women, and you’ll help solve the dilemma we are facing as a culture.
Comment by unbelievable
I’ve read several studies that look to answer the question of why so many boys fail to make the grade or even attempt to make the grade in college. I’ve yet to see one expert suggest that boys are coddled or there is some essential ingredient like “feminism” missing in the equation. In fact it’s just the opposite. Women teachers, women’s studies and whack job liberal educators who just happen to be more concerned about teaching bi-curious and gender bending are the problem with our boys. Fucked up, man hating, girl elevating educators who’d rather drug little boys than teach them, that’s the problem. Lack of male role models in the schools and curriculum is the problem. The outright plan of the Filthy Left to destroy the American male and turn him into porn movie fluffer is the problem.
The first thing I’d do if I were King would be to raise the salary of teachers so high that there would be no shortage of men willing to do the job. That would put the less qualified females and Liberal male losers(99.999% of teachers) out of a job. That would solve the problem of the “missing boys”.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy79.html
March 14th, 2006 at 2:52 pmHere’s another example of why women should stay out of the education business. In one of our local school districts they are going to do away with recess at their grade schools. Boys MUST GET OUTSIDE AND BURN OFF ENERGY AND HAVE SOME FUN….we know this as a scientific fact from studies done on children. Yet, here are the liberal feminist losers on the school boards and their homosexual accomplices at the NEA suggesting that these kids should just study harder with no breaks. I’m afraid I can’t chalk this up to liberal idiocy. I think they are doing it on purpose to break down little boys and destroy them emotionally and physically. We’ve already caught the NEA and GLAD trying to turn grade school boys into flamers through their “sensitivity” programs.
And you wonder why my picture shows up in the dictionary under misogynist and flag waving right wing homosexual hating bigot? I hate the Filthy Left with a passion. If I didn’t fear God more than I love my country there would be a lot fewer Left Wing Fucktards running around loose destroying our country. That’s a fact.
March 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pmFucked up, man hating, girl elevating educators who’d rather drug little boys than teach them, that’s the problem.
There are significantly more priests and pastors fucking little boys than female teachers, yet I don’t see you irrate about them. The reality is that more men abuse little boys than women. It’s testosterone. Makes you wanna ‘nail’ or ‘knock’ everything you see.
Lack of male role models in the schools and curriculum is the problem. The outright plan of the Filthy Left to destroy the American male and turn him into porn movie fluffer is the problem.
I really don’t know where yu get this from. Considering I am in a school every day, I can tell you that there are a significant number of male teachers – mostly coaches.
I do think that we need better male role models. Men who respect women. Not those who treat them like objects and possessions. It’s not about any man, it’s about men worthy of being role models.
The first thing I’d do if I were King would be to raise the salary of teachers so high that there would be no shortage of men willing to do the job. That would put the less qualified females and Liberal male losers(99.999% of teachers) out of a job. That would solve the problem of the “missing boysâ€.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
I agree that raising the salaries of teachers is necessary to attract more qualified people. But not so high that you attract corrupt teachers either – you do know about moderation in that regard, correct?
Stop with the absolutes, IRI. Sheesh!
I have soooo much to say about this, but think it would be more productive to talk to a turnip… oh wait, I am…. :)
Really, I don’t disagree with you about the problems. We have serious cultural problems that reward apathy and nepotism – yes, both ends of the spectrum – with money. Most everyone else is a decent, hardworking, honorable person doing the best that they can. I have a problem child in one of my classes. I spoke with his mother this morning. She works two jobs because she has to because she didn’t get an abortion although she couldn’t afford to have more kids. She is doing what you’ve said would work, but her child is a monster because she has to work two jobs. She’s honorable and trying to do the right thing. But it’s not working, and that is why I get annoyed with your blanket and ignorant commentary on ALL black, or ALL female, or ALL anything that you yourself are not.
See how quickly you defended your gender? Why is that? Because as a man you know that generalizations aren’t fair? Hmm… then perhaps you should reconsider using them? Maybe?
March 14th, 2006 at 3:44 pmAll my “generalizations” are the rule. You show up with an exception and try and make it the rule.
I just got this. More reasons why I hate the Filthy Left and what they’ve done to my country.
TO ALL THE KIDS
March 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pm>
> WHO SURVIVED the
> 1930’s 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s !!
> First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while
> they
> were pregnant.
> They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn’t
> get tested for diabetes.
> Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies, in baby cribs
> covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
> We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when
> we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took
> hitchhiking.
> As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster
> seats, seat belts or air bags.
>
>
> Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
>
>
> We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
>
>
> We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
> NO ONE actually died from this.
> We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolaide made with
> sugar, but we weren’t overweight because . .
> WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING !
>
> We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were
> back when the streetlights came on.
> No one was able to reach us all day.
> And we were O.K.
>
> We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride
> down
> the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the
> bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
>
> We did not have Playstations, Nintendo’s, X-boxes, no video games at all,
> no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD’s, no surround-sound or
> CD’s, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat
> rooms……….
> WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
>
> We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
> lawsuits from these accidents.
> We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us
> forever.
> We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks
> and
> tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put
> out
> very many eyes.
>
> We rode bikes or walked to a friend’s house and knocked on the door or
> rang
> the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
>
> Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn’t
> had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
>
> The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
> They actually sided with the law!
>
> These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem
> solvers and inventors ever!
>
> The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
> We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
> HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
>
> If YOU are one of them . . . CONGRATULATIONS!
>
> You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up
> as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our
> lives for our own good .
> And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how
> brave (and lucky) their parents were.
>
> Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn’t
> it?!
>
Here’s another example of why women should stay out of the education business. In one of our local school districts they are going to do away with recess at their grade schools. Boys MUST GET OUTSIDE AND BURN OFF ENERGY AND HAVE SOME FUN….we know this as a scientific fact from studies done on children.
I don’t disagree and i am a woman. Uh-oh…
Yet, here are the liberal feminist losers on the school boards and their homosexual accomplices at the NEA suggesting that these kids should just study harder with no breaks. I’m afraid I can’t chalk this up to liberal idiocy. I think they are doing it on purpose to break down little boys and destroy them emotionally and physically. We’ve already caught the NEA and GLAD trying to turn grade school boys into flamers through their “sensitivity†programs.
Oh stop it, you sound like that conspiracy nut who made you seem tame with teh name calling.
I would like you find out the religions of these people and get back to me, cause I contend that it’s Jesus prompting them to be all work and no play in the South and not liberal women or homosexuals. You do recall the Puritans right? Idol time being the Devil’s Playground and all that get to work stuff?
And you wonder why my picture shows up in the dictionary under misogynist and flag waving right wing homosexual hating bigot? I hate the Filthy Left with a passion. If I didn’t fear God more than I love my country there would be a lot fewer Left Wing Fucktards running around loose destroying our country. That’s a fact.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I don’t care for a lot of things, but violence isn’t going to solve most of them.
You don’t beat hate with more hate, just like you don’t fight fire with more fire.
March 14th, 2006 at 4:03 pmAll my “generalizations†are the rule. You show up with an exception and try and make it the rule.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
It’s not an exception. You just don’t like that it’s not some other group you can convienently blame.
It was my point to let you see how it feels to be generically labeled and degraded for it. And you clearly do not like it. You’re not supposed to. That was my intention. To let you see how unfair it is.
But the statistics are true. Like it or not. Men can be just as much to blame as women. The operative it that it is ’some’ men or ‘certain’ men just as it is ’some’ or ‘certain’ liberals, blacks, gays, etc. Not all.
I’ve been stigmatized my entire life for sterotypes that I have struggled to dispell. And they weren’t true. I just don’t like when it’s done to others, because it is a LARGE part of the problem with our system. We label people as this or that and then they cannot improve, or be anything else. Wouldn’t it be grossly unfair if you were given a negative label and then never allowed to outgrow it? Why would you even bother then? Really? If you were lazy no matter what you did, then what point would there be in trying?
March 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pm> You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up
> as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our
> lives for our own good .
> And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how
> brave (and lucky) their parents were.
>
> Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn’t
> it?!
>
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
This is NOT liberalism. It’s fear-based reactionary results. That would make it conservativism actually… you know, don’t think people can handle their own lives, so you have to tell them how to behave? Make up rules to tell them how much and how far? Liberalism just says to the kid going out the door on his bike “Have fun. Please be careful. Dinner’s at 6:00.” Conservatism is telling him how to ride the freaking bike so he does it the ‘right’ way.
You know, I think we agree on the problem. And I didn’t think we agreed about much. I consider this a huge step forward… though I’m sure you’re irked at me. But it was the only way I could get you to see how it feels to be called something that a minority portion of others in your classification are doing wrong when you aren’t…
March 14th, 2006 at 4:28 pmLiberalism just says to the kid going out the door on his bike “Have fun.”
Uh uh. Liberalism says the kid has to have the proper reflective clothing, a certified helmet and must keep to the bike path that they so thoughfully provided. You know, you evidently don’t know who is making the rules. Here’s a hint…it ain’t us. We don’t need no stinking rules.
March 14th, 2006 at 5:05 pmThis is NOT liberalism. It’s fear-based reactionary results. That would make it conservativism actually
Comment by unbelievable
That list of things fun to do are absolutely forbidden to liberals. Do I need to point them out?
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn’t
> had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
Yeah, we didn’t get a trophy for just showing up and my self esteem doesn’t seem to be hurt a bit!
>
> The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
> They actually sided with the law!
Those parents that come in bitching because you spanked little Johnny voted for Kerry…oh wait…that’s right. If you even though about spanking the little bastard they’d throw your butt in jail…that’s liberal…conservatives beat the crap out of their children when they deserve it and if a cop says their guilty…well, we have lawyers to take care of those little indiscretions. We’re not totally heartless.
March 14th, 2006 at 5:16 pm>
You know, you evidently don’t know who is making the rules. Here’s a hint…it ain’t us. We don’t need no stinking rules.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Well, every opportunity I give you to enlightenment, you wander off. What do you want me to do to get you to define the terms? Hell, cut and paste something you’ve written prior.
I keep telling you that I think we’re arguing sematics on much of this and that because I consider myself a liberal, you’re making assumptions about things I believe.
Here’s one sure to surprise you. I’m not big on people having a baby solo. I’m sure I’ll get stoned by the feminist for this. But my problem is when the choice between an adults’ wants’ and a childs ‘needs’ is presented, the child’s needs should supercede, because it has no choice. I’m sorry if there are single women who want to be mothers, but the kid shouldn’t have to grow up without a male role model, because science shows that a kid needs two stable parents to become a stable human being. Yes, there are exceptions, butnot enough to change my mind yet.
Did you pass out?
March 14th, 2006 at 5:35 pm“We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were
> back when the streetlights came on.
> No one was able to reach us all day.
> And we were O.K.”
Do you know why we were OK? Because when “our” cops caught a criminal that would hurt a kid they shot his ass for “trying to escape”. We put bad men in jail and didn’t let them out and if there was a neighbor that gave our parents reason to suspect he was man who loved little boys the guy was made to see the benefit of relocation. People did what was necessary to take care of themselves and the liberal crybabies stayed out of the way because they knew they’d be next. Those were the good old days.
March 14th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThat list of things fun to do are absolutely forbidden to liberals. Do I need to point them out?
You don’t think sex is fun? Calm down, I know what you’re going to say. I just couldn’t stop myself.
But, perhaps you should give me a couple of examples. Analogies work best for me. Just how my brain works.
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn’t
> had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
Okay, we agree. But, I think a liberal parent would tell the kid that he was great no matter what and that though disappointed, it doesn’t make him a bad kid. A conservative parent would tell the kid that it was a big deal and that teh kid didn’t do this right or that right. That’s the difference. In teaching the kid that disappointment is a part of everyone’s life and that you shouldn’t internalize it. (I know because my father did the later, and my mother did the former – and my mother was teh better parent).
Yeah, we didn’t get a trophy for just showing up and my self esteem doesn’t seem to be hurt a bit!
Again, agreed. If a kid thinks he’s a great kid no matter what (now, I didn’t say a better than everyone else kid, so don’t infer that kind of nonsense that I don’t subscribe), then he does okay with teh reality that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. And that losing doesn’t make you a ‘loser’ (by teh way, do you really think any one is going to listen to anything else you say once you’ve called them that??? I dare you to post without that word and see if people aren’t a bit more receptive).
> The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
> They actually sided with the law!
The woman working two jobs because she has to – the one with the monster kid? She sides with me over her son, every time. I did mention that’s she’s black right?
Those parents that come in bitching because you spanked little Johnny voted for Kerry…oh wait…that’s right. If you even though about spanking the little bastard they’d throw your butt in jail…that’s liberal…conservatives beat the crap out of their children when they deserve it and if a cop says their guilty…well, we have lawyers to take care of those little indiscretions. We’re not totally heartless.
>
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
You will not get me to conceed on hitting children. I’ve told you isolation is a bigger punishment if the parents are doing their job properly.
You have a heart??? ; )
March 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWell, every opportunity I give you to enlightenment, you wander off. What do you want me to do to get you to define the terms? Hell, cut and paste something you’ve written prior.
The “nanny state” is a liberal concept. I don’t need to write a book on it, look it up.
I keep telling you that I think we’re arguing sematics on much of this and that because I consider myself a liberal, you’re making assumptions about things I believe.
You’re a liberal with conservative leanings. I’m a conservative with right wing/flag waving/bigot/get the gun and shoot their ass leanings.
Comment by unbelievable
March 14th, 2006 at 5:50 pmI got’s to go home and put my new “myself” propelled lawnmower together and run it around the front yard for the pleasure of the neighbor ladies. Later.
March 14th, 2006 at 5:52 pmDo you know why we were OK? Because when “our†cops caught a criminal that would hurt a kid they shot his ass for “trying to escapeâ€. We put bad men in jail and didn’t let them out and if there was a neighbor that gave our parents reason to suspect he was man who loved little boys the guy was made to see the benefit of relocation. People did what was necessary to take care of themselves and the liberal crybabies stayed out of the way because they knew they’d be next. Those were the good old days.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
You mean the Priest Relocation Program? ‘Cause really, there aren’t many real boogeymen. That’s why we were safe. The freaking media has mongered so much fear that we suspect everyone of everything when the reality is so much more drole and safe.
I need to run… literally… before the daylight runs out. I so love the Spring weather.
And I’ll be taking the kids outside to burn off their adrenalin tommorrow… I’d do it more often actually, but you know, the ex-Marine running our school thinks all work will get his students higher CCRT scores (The standardized tests) and keep them to the grind…
March 14th, 2006 at 5:52 pmThe “nanny state†is a liberal concept. I don’t need to write a book on it, look it up.
Bite me. If you can’t bother to type a couple of sentances on your definition of Liberalism, then I can’t bother to go Google your fairytales.
But I think that’s the point. You don’t want to agree. Sheesh. We have plenty else to argue about.
You’re a liberal with conservative leanings. I’m a conservative with right wing/flag waving/bigot/get the gun and shoot their ass leanings.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
So what happens next year when I change my mind on something? Do I need to apply for a permit to have my label changed again?
“When marrying, ask yourself this question: Do you believe that you will be able to converse well with this person into your old age? Everything else in marriage is transitory.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
What exactly do you do when those transitions happen – not just in marriage but in life in general?
I got’s to go home and put my new “myself†propelled lawnmower together and run it around the front yard for the pleasure of the neighbor ladies. Later.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 14, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
Comedy Night, eh?
Wait a minute… aren’t you supposed to be into big toys with even bigger engines? Oh, you are the engine. You know, IRI, you should just go ahead and marry yourself…
March 14th, 2006 at 7:21 pmI hate it when we get things like “The percentage of the 4,000+ students who play Division 1 men’s basketball who will go on to professional sports careers: 0.8.”
Though that may be true, but I dont think the players who commit to play basketball at Louisiana Monroe, Nicholls State, Southern Utah or Harvard have the intention of playing pro sports. So you cant count those schools in that mix.
Using this rationale we could say “The percentage of the 4,000+ students who play Division 1 men’s basketball who will go on to professional careers in Chemistry: 0.8.”
Therefore no student athletes should have to take Chemistry.
March 14th, 2006 at 9:50 pmWait a minute… aren’t you supposed to be into big toys with even bigger engines? Oh, you are the engine.
Comment by unbelievable
If my neighborhood association would let me get away with it I’d have Bighorn sheep out there munching the grass instead of mowing it. But as it is I’m pretty happy about the whole deal. The yard is about half the size of my last one where I had a gang of illegal aliens mowing it for me. I haven’t cut a blade of grass in years. Last night was fun. Six manly horsepower with a 22″ cut did the job nicely. That ice cold Molson sure did taste good afterwards too!.
You know, IRI, you should just go ahead and marry yourself…
If I was prettier I probably would ’cause I really like me a lot.
March 15th, 2006 at 4:59 pmOkay, so when you’re done fondling yourself, tell me if this is your definition of Liberalism:
lib·er·al·ism
n.
The state or quality of being liberal.
A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
Liberalism
A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.
March 16th, 2006 at 2:25 pmLook up “liberal fucktard” and you get this excellent description of the typical Left Wing Walking Dead Loser that creeps around peeping in windows and defacing brand new SUVs. To me a (L)iberal is akin to the infamous French Shitweasel to whom John Kerry is closely related. Here it is:
Any political, social, religious or economic belief that is not Conservatism.
Known for their extreme Anti-Americanism, shrill political pronouncements, and stunning good looks, liberals are much maligned on LJ and on TV. Liberals believe that there should be no laws, and that you should be able to burn a flag and talk shit about the President whenever you want because of the “First Amendment, and if not we will all be living in 1984 OMG” or some bullshit. Liberals also want to outlaw guns because they hurt people. If guns are harmful, why not outlaw cars too? Cars kill more people than guns. Think about that, hippy.
Liberals also are anti-Christian and pro-Islam, which means they wholly support terrorism and want to kill infidels, or anyone who is not a Kennedy. Liberals also love abortions, and frequently suck blood out of fetuses so they can retain eternal youth.
Liberals love fags, and are usually fags themselves. When God-fearing conservatives try to ban homosexuality, liberals, despite wanting no laws, use the courts to mandate that schoolchildren are infected with “teh gay”.
Liberals absolutely love to say that the Government and/or Conservatives always come up with all the wrong ideas. They usually complain from the comfort of their living room, usually just sitting back not doing anything about the original problem at hand. A Conservative usually has a wrong idea, and a liberal usually has no idea whatsoever but bitches about how bad the conservative’s idea is.
Liberals — like Jews — control the Media. In fact, all Jews are Liberals. Even Paul Wolfowitz. Liberals also run Hollywood and probably control the Internets.
In short, Liberals are dangerous people with dangerous ideas.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Liberalism
Now, here’s what I’m talking about….
From Russle Kirk’s “Conservative Mind”
Any informed conservative is reluctant to condense profound and intricate intellectual systems to a few portentous phrases;
he prefers to leave that technique to the enthusiasm of radicals. Conservatism is not a fixed and immutable body of dogma,
and conservatives inherit from Burke a talent for re-expressing their convictions to fit the time. As a working premise,
nevertheless, one can observe here that the essence of social conservatism is preservation of the ancient moral traditions.
Conservatives respect the wisdom of their ancestors…; they are dubious of wholesale alteration. They think society is a
spiritual reality, possessing an eternal life but a delicate constitution: it cannot be scrapped and recast as if it were a machine.
[...] I think there are six canons of conservative thought–
(1) Belief that a divine intent rules society as well as conscience, forging an eternal chain of right and duty which links
great and obscure, living and dead. Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems. [...]
(2) Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of traditional life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity,
egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems. [...]
(3) Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes. The only true equality is moral equality; all other attempts
at levelling lead to despair, if enforced by positive legislation. [...]
(4) Persuasion that property and freedom are inseparably connected, and that economic levelling is not economic progress.
Separate property from private possession and liberty is erased.
(5) Faith in prescription and distrust of ’sophisters and calculators.’ Man must put a control upon his will and his appetite,
for conservatives know man to be governed more by emotion than by reason. Tradition and sound prejudice provide
checks upon man’s anarchic impulse.
(6) Recognition that change and reform are not identical, and that innovation is a devouring conflagration more often than it
is a torch of progress. Society must alter, for slow change is the means of its conservation, like the human body’s perpetual
renewal; but Providence is the proper instrument for change, and the test of a statesman is his cognizance of the real tendency
of Providential social forces.
He contrasts these core beliefs with those of conservatism’s opponents on the Left, the radicals of all stripes, who believe in :
(1) The perfectibility of man and the illimitable progress of society: meliorism. Radicals believe that education, positive
legislation, and alteration of environment can produce men like gods; they deny that humanity has a natural proclivity
toward violence and sin.
(2) Contempt for tradition. Reason, impulse, and materialistic determinism are severally preferred as guides to social
welfare, trustier than the wisdom of our ancestors. Formal religion is rejected and a variety of anti-Christian systems
are offered as substitutes.
(3) Political levelling. Order and privilege are condemned; total democracy, as direct as practicable, is the professed
radical ideal. Allied with this spirit, generally, is a dislike of old parliamentary arrangements and an eagerness for
centralization and consolidation.
(4) Economic levelling. The ancient rights of property, especially property in land, are suspect to almost all radicals;
March 16th, 2006 at 4:02 pmand collectivist radicals hack at the institution of private property root and branch.
Oh my… Well, we have been arguing semantics in some regards. And just plain inequality on other areas (because your definitions are not apples to apples comparisions). Though, I think, by your definitions, I’m a moderate and you’re just a guy living two centuries too late :).
I’ll have to respond in detail later. I seriously cannot type, much less think right now.
So Enjoy your evening… And your nicely manicured lawn ;)
March 16th, 2006 at 4:32 pmSo Enjoy your evening… And your nicely manicured lawn ;)
Comment by unbelievable
Damn neighbor cat got in and used my freshly planted vegie garden for a litter box. Dug up my pepper plants, stepped on my cucumber sprouts and buried my onion seeds. If I find the culprit doing it again would you mind terribly much if I shot him?
March 16th, 2006 at 5:49 pmDamn neighbor cat got in and used my freshly planted vegie garden for a litter box. Dug up my pepper plants, stepped on my cucumber sprouts and buried my onion seeds. If I find the culprit doing it again would you mind terribly much if I shot him?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 16, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
Please go shoot your neighbor instead… Irresponsible people might be an exception to my feelings on that subject…
Did you not see the phone numbers I posted for the Houston SPCA and Humane Society on that other thread? I will be happy to get that info again if it will keep you from shooting them. They don’t know that they are doing wrong. It’s an instinct for them to burrow, and bury their feces.
And there are certain things you can put in your yard to keep them away from your entire yard. Please don’t shoot the cats…
I have problems with squirrels and rabbits – well, and, out here, deer too. One of them took the tops off all of my exotic sunflowers last year. I used an organic repellent that I got at the Garden Center and it seemed to keep them as well as most bugs away.
Did you ever try any of those crockpot recipes? (I won’t take it personally if you didn’t… I don’t take other people’s behavior personally most of the time).
Okay, I was coming to respond to your last post…
March 16th, 2006 at 7:20 pmAlright… The definitions you gave were not fair. It’s like the conservatives are trying to put down the left in order to feel better about themselves or to highlight their perspective through false advertizing of the other side.
I like the definition I posted for liberal. It’s more in line with my personal ideology than either of teh things you posted on it – because your definitions assumed an intention of being radical, rather than just seeing liberalism as a different way of doing things. I don’t like demonizing of other people in broad generalities.
Okay, here’s what my dictionary said about conservatism:
con·ser·va·tism n.
The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.
Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.
.
See no demonizing…
Since I accept evolution, I accept that change is a natural part of life. Radical change, not very often do I think that is healthy – but change is simply a part of life, just like growing old.
My philosophies in life are strongly based upon experiences. You still won’t tell me how old you are, so i can’t gage where you are in life, but either way, I think I’ve just lived more than you have. Not a judgment thing at all, just an observation. And as a result of my expeiences, I think I’m more of a Naturalist
nat·u·ral·ism n
.
Philosophy. The system of thought holding that all phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes and laws.
Theology. The doctrine that all religious truths are derived from nature and natural causes and not from revelation. Conduct or thought prompted by natural desires or instincts.
So, when I tell you to prove God exists, I’m not being derisive… I’m serious. I don’t accept a god because Ihave not seen the proof of one in the Christian sense. But… in the Naturalist sense, well, that is a whole other area I personally have not really explored. And I don’t think many Industrialized people have either. And, how do you know that something is right for you unless you’ve explored other areas? Or is that too deep for you… I can never tell.
March 16th, 2006 at 10:07 pmLook up “liberal fucktard†and you get this excellent description of the typical Left Wing Walking Dead Loser that creeps around peeping in windows and defacing brand new SUVs. To me a (L)iberal is akin to the infamous French Shitweasel to whom John Kerry is closely related.
I am frequently amazed that you ever leave your living room at all. I would truly love to travel in another country with you. With back packs and little else. I’m convinced that meeting some decent people who aren’t just like you is what you have missed out on this far in your life. And I bet you would be amazed by the experience.
But, I am an optimistic romantic… I think the solution to most of our problems is turning off the television set and encountering other people from other walks of life to see that underneath we are all just human. Not liberals and conservatives, or blacks and whites, or any of these labels we use at will.
Well, that’s my two cents – as always, I will be interested to see what yours is… you never cease to surprise me as to what will come out of your mouth next. :).
March 16th, 2006 at 10:20 pmThough, I think, by your definitions, I’m a moderate and you’re just a guy living two centuries too late :).
Comment by unbelievable
Centuries do not change what is right and true.
March 17th, 2006 at 12:30 pmAnyone else notice that two of the worst scores on here are the teams from traditionally black universities? Ranking schools by their inability to make some number of success is rascist and Think Progress is opening themselves up to similar charges. Since blacks dominate the players in March Madness, maybe the shoe companies have a social responsibility toward helping minority communities.
March 17th, 2006 at 12:50 pmCenturies do not change what is right and true.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 17, 2006 @ 12:30 pm
I was thinking more in terms of what you could do in the name of “right and wrong” – like burning witches, stoning children and that sort of inhumane stuff.
Go to Edinburgh and take one of their historic tours at dusk. You’d wet yourself with glee over what they did to the ‘guilty’ back then.
March 17th, 2006 at 1:18 pmSince blacks dominate the players in March Madness, maybe the shoe companies have a social responsibility toward helping minority communities.
Comment by Buddy Holly — March 17, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
Minority communities? That’s still not the target. I think the idea would be for them to assist impoverished communities – regardless of the skin color of the residents. In that case, you might be on to something that could be a win-win for both all sides.
March 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pmSince blacks dominate the players in March Madness, maybe the shoe companies have a social responsibility toward helping minority communities.
Comment by Buddy Holly
Screw that. The shoe companies have employees and stock holders to consider. Regardless of what you may think of them they provide a decent product and the livelihood of thousands of people. Over-regulation and taxes that rape and pillage make staying profitable hard enough on business.
I’ve got a better idea. Let’s place a 50% Negro Superstar tax on black professional athletes and give the money to ‘da po black ‘chillin. That sounds like a perfectly Progressive Plan to me. Take from the rich and give to da po. Those multi-millionaire shoe shine boys do little enough as it is to put back a little something from the place they were bred and where my tax dollars fed, clothed and put a roof over their heads.
March 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pmShouldn’t (someone) be pressuring the NCAA to disqualify teams from March Madness if they don’t achieve a standard. I mean, what are the penalties for not making the number? None, apparently. This goes back to my favorite solution: the eleven and twelfth man on your team are academic all-stars who never play but get scholarships to be on the roster and raise the overall team GPA.
March 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI think that this is very unfortunate and that Nike should encourage the basketball athletes to strive to do their best off of the court, maybe by setting up an incentive for basketball graduates. The profit that nike receives is enough to give back to the athletes that are representing their logo. At least work towards change.
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